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Zheltoksan 1986: Difficulties in the Transit of Power

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December 1986 in Alma-Ata causes deja vu.

First Kazakh revolution



Kazakhstan has always occupied a special position in the Soviet Union.

First, the republic was very closely integrated into Soviet society and economy. The dependence was so great that in the era of the famous "parade of sovereignties" Kazakhstan last announced its withdrawal from the Union. Still, it was not so easy to make the inter-republican border the largest international one in the world.

Secondly, in the Kazakh SSR - the only one among the Union republics - the titular nation did not constitute an absolute majority. If we focus on the data of the 1989 census, then there were about 45% Russians and Ukrainians, about 6% were Germans, and the Kazakhs themselves were no more than 40%. By the way, up to 70% of ethnic Kazakhs used Russian.

The mass exodus of Russian-speakers happened in 1989-1999 - then at least one and a half million people left Kazakhstan.


The first call for all representatives of the “non-titular” nationality was the events of December 17–18, 1986, which became the first in a series of bloody inter-ethnic conflicts in the late USSR.

A little background on the event.

Until the mid-80s, Brezhnev's principle of "confidence in national cadres" dominated in the Union republics. Thus, in Kazakhstan, the first secretary of the republican Central Committee of the CPSU was Dinmukhamed Kunaev, who was on very good terms with Leonid Brezhnev.

The Secretary General appointed Kunaev to lead the Kazakh SSR in 1964, and he worked happily in this post until 1986. In fairness, Kunaev was present in one way or another in the republican administrative apparatus since 1942, when he worked in the Council of People's Commissars. And the post of first secretary was not new to him - in 1960-1962 it was his chair.

If you look at the chronicles of the turnover of the first persons of Kazakhstan in the Soviet period, it turns out that there were only two ethnic Kazakhs - the mentioned Kunaev and Ismail Yusupov. However, some historians attribute the latter to the Uighurs. The rest of the leaders were of Slavic origin.

But by 1986, interethnic tensions reached their limit, which resulted in the December events that entered history as Zheltoksan, that is, the "December uprising."


For the titular nation, everything was ruined by Mikhail Gorbachev, who, upon coming to power, organized a purge of the old nomenklatura guard.

Kunaev fit this definition very well - the "republican elder" turned 76 years old. Gorbachev was not the most far-sighted politician, which he will prove more than once before and after the events described.

The Secretary General in December 1986 decides to get rid of Kunaev and puts in his place Gennady Kolbin, the first secretary of the Ulyanovsk regional committee. Formally Kolbin's candidacy was proposed by Nikolai Ryzhkov and Eduard Shevardnadze, and the only one who opposed was Geidar Aliyev.

The new leader had nothing to do with the republic, he did not know Kazakh, and he did not understand how to behave with the local elites. Evil tongues claim that the newcomer showed himself very zealously during the anti-alcohol campaign, for which he was brought closer to the court of Gorbachev.

At the same time, Kunaev himself was removed very ugly - in absentia for health reasons and in just 18 minutes at the shortest plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

Why was the budding Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Kazakh ASSR Nursultan Nazarbayev not put in this place?

By the way, he was very suitable for the generalized portrait of the manager of the new Gorbachev formation - young, energetic and well-connected.

According to one version, Kunaev himself did not advise Nazarbayev to take the place of successor, which could have been decisive in the choice. In further history, it is the future Elbasy who will become the most controversial figure in the protests that unfolded in Alma-Ata on December 17-18, 1986.

According to another version, the Kunaev clan is so mired in corruption, nepotism and abuse that putting a local on the post of first secretary of Kazakhstan was like changing an awl for soap. According to the security forces, surrounded by Kunaev, 41 secretaries of the district committee, 3 first secretaries of the regional committee, three chairmen of the regional executive committees were prosecuted.

A trial balloon before the transit of power in Soviet Kazakhstan was the replacement of the chairman of the republican KGB, Kamaliderov, with Viktor Miroshnik in February 1986.

Less than a year later, it was Kunaev's turn.

Decembrists in Alma-Ata


In one of the studies of the chronology of the December 1986 events, there are such characteristic words:

“Such a command-administrative method of replacing leading personnel (Kunaev with Kolbin) carried out by the Center, and its disdain for local personnel of the republic, deeply offended the honor and dignity of Kazakhstanis and sowed doubts about the correctness of its management methods in Kazakhstan.”

These were the first political, rather than economic demands of the protesters in many decades of the existence of Soviet power.

Outraged by this state of affairs, young people took to the streets of Alma-Ata with placards "To each people - their leader!", "Long live Lenin's ideas!"

According to the liberal part of the observers, the protesters did not want anything reprehensible, but only tried to ask: why did they remove Kunayev and install the foreigner Kolbin?

And until now in Kazakhstan there is an opinion about the excessive cruelty with which the protest of student and working youth was suppressed.

Allegedly, in order to clean up Brezhnev Square (now it is Independence Square), the authorities raised up to 25 soldiers along with 15 combatants. Moreover, they flavored the army with a dozen armored personnel carriers and a dozen fire engines.


However, there is an alternative point of view on the events that unfolded in December 1986 in Alma-Ata.

In the early morning of December 17, several thousand aggressive people gathered on the square in front of the regional committee.

It is worth paying attention that the removal of Kunaev became known even in Moscow on the evening of December 16, and already at 7:00 the next day the people protested against the decision of the Central Committee in Kazakhstan. This is even by modern standards a lightning-fast reaction, and for the events of 36 years ago, it does look like science fiction.

Kunaev himself, together with Nazarbayev (or separately), raised the people to revolt.

At the same time, during Zheltoksan, the future Elbasy himself demonstrated in every possible way loyalty to the current government and, according to eyewitnesses, spoke to the protesters, “explaining the perniciousness of illegal actions.” A little later, he mentioned the protesters as

"extremist-minded thugs who were able to captivate the socially unhealthy part of the student youth."

But already in 1991, the events of Zheltoksan were glorified, and in his book “Without Right and Left,” Nazarbayev writes that he stood on the square shoulder to shoulder with the revolutionaries.


What happened in December 1986 in front of the regional regional committee of Kazakhstan was very reminiscent of the situation at the beginning of 2022, when thousands of rebels stormed the akimat of Alma-Ata.

Only now, 36 years ago, it ended in failure, although not without loss of life.

But at first, the protest developed peacefully - from the morning of December 17, the audience chanted slogans, and law enforcement forces did not even organize a cordon.

Closer to dinner, several hundred people went in an organized column through the streets of the city, gathering in their ranks a mass of new sympathizers. It was in one of these columns that Nazarbayev himself marched, as he himself later claimed.

A few hours later, several thousand excited protesters returned to Brezhnev Square, to which replenishment constantly arrived from all over the capital.

Law enforcement officers did nothing intelligible to stop the threat - the roads to the center were not blocked, the crowd was not cordoned off.

After the speech of the leadership of the republic, stones and pieces of reinforcement flew from the crowd at the military and police officers on duty.

And again, no decisive action from the security forces - exactly like in January 2022.

Didn't the republican leadership have the resources to contain the protesting crowd, which was already shouting nationalist slogans?

Of course, they were, but they could not use it or did not want to.

Everyone was waiting for the so-called "Moscow landing", consisting of Deputy Chairman of the KGB of the USSR F. D. Bobkov, Chairman of the CPC under the Central Committee of the CPSU M. S. Solomentsev, Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR B. K. Elisov and Deputy Prosecutor General of the USSR O. V Magpie. Only after the arrival of the delegation, troops and fire engines were brought to the square, which abundantly watered the most aggressive protesters in the cold.

The key role in suppressing the impending uprising was played by the cadets of the Alma-Ata school, who were given only sapper shovels and clubs to restore order. Through the efforts of cadets and fire fighting equipment, by one in the morning on December 17, the last inhabitants of Brezhnev Square were dispersed.

But only to start the protest action with renewed vigor at dawn.

The law enforcement agencies began to act according to the usual scheme - for several hours they actually provoked the crowd, and then, with unexpectedly harsh measures, they dispersed it by late evening.

The operation to pacify the nationalists on Brezhnev Square went down in history as "Blizzard - 1986".





Memorial Zheltoksan. Source: wikipedia.org

According to the official version, 6 people died, several thousand were injured of varying severity, 99 were convicted, and two were even sentenced to capital punishment, which, by the way, was never carried out.

Over time, most of the convicts were rehabilitated, and the Zheltoksan protesters became almost national heroes of the new, sovereign Kazakhstan.

History has acquired a bunch of legends about several hundred killed, raped and tortured.

All the blame for what happened was traditionally placed on the same “Moscow landing”.
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  1. alone
    alone 13 January 2022 05: 22
    +2
    I wonder if it was really impossible to find a suitable candidate in Kazakhstan itself? Gorbachev and his company did everything to destroy and destroy the foundations of the multinational state. ..
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 13 January 2022 05: 28
      +9
      foundations of a multinational state

      In all honesty, I must say that a multinational state should be controlled either with a whip, or ... or it should not exist at all ...
      1. Sergey-1950
        Sergey-1950 13 January 2022 19: 42
        +1
        Nowadays there are practically no mono-national states. There should be no privileged nations in a multinational state. But, unfortunately, in all national republics, except for the RSFSR, Belarus and the eastern half of Ukraine, this principle was grossly violated.
      2. Comrade Kim
        Comrade Kim 16 January 2022 01: 53
        +2
        I agree .
        But not a simple whip, but a seven-tailed one.
        The author is lying:
        "The mass exodus of Russian-speakers happened in 1989-1999 - then at least 1 people left Kazakhstan."
        Not "left", you need to write, but "ran away, saving lives."
        And now, the children and grandchildren of the Kazakhs, who carried out ethnic cleansing of the Russian population, are going to Russia at the call of the Khusnulins.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 January 2022 05: 37
      +8
      How to extinguish the metastases of Russophobia in Kazakhstan spreading throughout the republic?
      This is the main question now ... without this, it will not be possible to solve the problem of linking the Kazakhs to Russia.
      Tokayev has appointed a man with a tarnished reputation as Minister of Information ... this raises many unpleasant questions.
      If you look deeper into history back in tsarist times, there were problems with this on the territory of present-day Kazakhstan ... they have not gone anywhere. what
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 January 2022 05: 49
        +4
        December 1986 in Alma-Ata causes deja vu.
        This is their tradition, however ...
      2. Sergey-1950
        Sergey-1950 13 January 2022 19: 57
        +4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        How to extinguish the metastases of Russophobia in Kazakhstan spreading throughout the republic?

        Metastases were in the early 60s. in the late USSR, the focus was throughout the body. Otherwise, why on earth did 90 million (and not one and a half) Russians and Russian-speakers leave Kazakhstan in the mid-2,5s? People who had apartments, bagasse, summer cottages, a well-organized life "suddenly" moved to distant lands.

        To be honest, I think that the process cannot be stopped. And why? To hear accusations of confusion in their affairs.
        It is much more important to predict what to expect from this process.
        Apparently, the archaization of the Kazakh society will take place. The level of education will drop significantly. Perhaps a layer of young people will appear who can only write a little and know the four operations of arithmetic.
        Power will be exercised by a narrow group of the national "elite". A penchant for money and therefore venal.
    3. ism_ek
      ism_ek 13 January 2022 06: 05
      +18
      Quote: lonely
      I wonder if it was really impossible to find a suitable candidate in Kazakhstan itself? ..
      Everything is thoroughly corrupt there. Recently I talked with Kazakhs on this topic. In the south of Kazakhstan, in order to get a job as a teacher in a school, the director needs to "bring in" three salaries. And there are just as few teachers there as we do. If you want to get into the army, pay. If you want to mow - pay. Can you imagine what kind of corruption in government, local and regional ...?
  2. prapor55
    prapor55 13 January 2022 05: 33
    +4
    Yes, it really was. It was the first New Year when our parents did not let us out after midnight on the traditional slide. And in general there were no traditional trips for guests on New Year's Eve.
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2022 06: 16
    +18
    Author! You suggested drawing conclusions on the events of forty years ago ... Yes, some users then simply did not exist ...
    In 1982, I had to visit the harvest. It is clear that he met with different people. Already at that time, the Kazakh militia resembled the modern police. Whom did she protect and what did she do? Even then, ordinary militiamen covered brothels and the drug trade. I don’t know what happened in Alma-Ata. I've traveled enough around the Aktobe region ... It's not about that ...
    Does anyone remember that in the RSFSR of the post-war period, people went out on the spot with sticks and fittings? If there was an incident in Novocherkassk, it was only because of the inability of the party bosses to talk to people.
    The government has so far removed itself from ordinary people, whom it is obliged to serve and help (they are called civil servants) that any dialogue, even on everyday topics, translates into extremism and attempts to usurp power ... Excuse me, who do they consider themselves to be?
    ==========
    Now Kazakhstan ... Do you think that everything will end there with simple appointments of “just anyone” to ministerial positions? We shot and dispersed ... I am already sick of this hypertrophied national dignity. Over the past 30 years, this has manifested itself in only one thing - Russia owes us ...
    Is Russia obliged to protect the regimes of power that create economic and political problems for our country? Can anyone imagine what would happen to Mexico if it blocked any waterway to the United States?
    ==========
    One thing became clear: the authorities begin to scratch their turnips as soon as the rooster rises from the pan. Before the Kazakh passions had subsided, the guarantor discovered that the indexation of pensions in Russia was below the inflation rate and ordered an increase in the percentage to 8,6 ... And last year ... was it somehow different the year before?
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 13 January 2022 07: 53
      0
      Author! You suggested drawing conclusions on the events of forty years ago ... Yes, some users then simply did not exist ...

      An interesting thought ... As I understand it, you do not draw conclusions from the Great Patriotic War ... smile
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 13 January 2022 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
        An interesting thought ... As I understand it, you do not draw conclusions from the Great Patriotic War ...

        The fact is that many people know about the Great Patriotic War. Let some confuse it with WWII. BUT!!! Many citizens of Russia (we can ask) to the question: “What is Zheltoksan,” they will answer that the Japanese call it “yolk-san” ... But only a few will say about what happened there forty years ago (without the Internet). ..
        hi
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 13 January 2022 10: 17
      +4
      They appointed an ardent Russophobe as the Minister of Information now .. read his statements. hair on end .. thanks to you .. it’s called
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 January 2022 08: 18
    +18
    If we focus on the data of the 1989 census, there were about 45% of Russians and Ukrainians, about 6% were Germans, and the Kazakhs themselves were no more than 40%.

    We must remember the perfect crime against Russia 1936: just then was withdrawn from RUSSIA the territory of today's Kazakhstan.

    No one has ever held any referendums on this matter, asked no one, they transferred people and a part of Russia, like a bag of potatoestaken from Russia RUSSIAN cities Guryev, Verny, Uralsk, Semipalatinsk, Petropavlovsk and so on and so forth, created a nation that never existed before, a "national state and an" ancient "culture, then in every possible way supported and cultivated all this decades-and WHAT after that could be expected other than ZholtoksanOV all over the country?

    ALL creative national Soviet creative intelligentsia, carefully cultivated and cherished by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for decades, turned out to be, as a result, represented ardent nationalists, they are cave Russophobes, supporters of secession and destruction.

    Here is what, for example, wrote a communist, laureate of State Prizes in the USSR, writer Dabija in his article "Russian" about Russian womenfrom marriages with which they are born bandits and prostitutes.

    « 60% of the mentally ill people come from mixed families, 70% of criminals .. 80% of prostitutes and more than 50 percent of the politicians of the ruling party. And not a single genius.

    Children born in mixed marriages are mediocre individuals at best, but usually disabled, criminals, and losers. Children raised in mixed families are notoriously insecure, predisposed to mental disorders, crimes and prostitution ",

    They sowed the Dragon's teeth in 1917-1940, carefully watered them, fertilized them, raised them, and - and got it ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 13 January 2022 08: 29
      .
      You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, yourself recognized the dismemberment of the USSR, and, de facto, centuries-old Russia, your crime against your country and people, therefore, for 30 years, you cowardly shift the blame for this onto those from whom you took the country away.
      And BEFORE you seize the USSR, it did not matter at all, to which republic certain territories belong. It was one big country.
      And raging against everything that the Bolshevik-Communists did, you yourself do not know how it was necessary to do, including how it was necessary to territorially divide the USSR so that you could not dismember it.
      The division into the provinces did not prevent the enemies of the Bolsheviks from seizing the territories of Russia in Civil, and creating their own separate states on them.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 January 2022 09: 49
        +1
        Based on this logic, what then prevented leaving Guryev, Uralsk or Petropavlovsk as part of the RSFSR? Is it still one country? Why such asymmetry and selective approach?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 13 January 2022 19: 14
          +2
          Based on this logic, what then prevented leaving Guryev, Uralsk or Petropavlovsk as part of the RSFSR? Is it still one country? Why such asymmetry and selective approach?
          Because before EBN this did not bother anyone, and under EBN not only these lands were transferred to the natives, but even Sevastopol, which was always under Moscow control. So all the questions are for the Sverdlovsk regional committee secretary.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 January 2022 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: tatra
        USSR, and, de facto, centuries-old Russia

        Show at least ONE statement of your general secretaries that the USSR is Russia.

        And if they are one and the same, then .... why removed the name of the country that had already existed for centuries.

        Something they wanted to emphasize and - underlined.

        Quote: tatra
        completely never mind was - to which republic do these or those territories belong

        If it was completely unimportant, then they would have left Russia, where it existed for centuries - in Odessa, Uralsk, Mogilev, etc.

        WHY spend money on retraining, reassignment, staffing, etc.
      3. user
        user 14 January 2022 18: 00
        +1
        You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, yourself recognized the dismemberment of the USSR by you, and, de facto, centuries-old Russia, as your crime against your country and people, therefore, for 30 years, you have been cowardly blaming those from whom you took the country.


        The most IDIYOTIC comment.
    2. Liam
      Liam 13 January 2022 08: 33
      -3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Here is what, for example, the communist, laureate of the State Prize in the USSR, writer Dabija wrote in his article "Russian" about Russian women, from marriages with whom bandits and prostitutes are born.

      Can I have a proof for the original article?
      1. frog
        frog 13 January 2022 09: 13
        +6
        So you can be a proof of the "ardent Moldovan, the torch of national self-identity"?
        Sobssno, even aunt Vika knows him. And no one really hid this. The problem is somewhat different.
        “In 1966 he entered the Faculty of Journalism of the Moldavian State University. In his third year he was expelled for“ pro-Romanian and anti-Soviet activities. ”A year later he was reinstated, but already at the Faculty of Philology. 1972-1972 - head of the department of the literary magazine "Nistru", in 1975-1975 - editor of the youth magazine "Horizon." During its heyday, the weekly newspaper had a circulation of 1984 copies. He was a member of the Writers 'Union and the Journalists' Union of the Republic of Moldova. "
        That is, this very, now deceased ... creature grew up in a sickle and a hammer.
        Where, in fact, "in 1975-82 he was the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the JV MSSR, at the 1978th Congress of the Komsomol he was elected a member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol, since 1990 a member of the CPSU, was awarded prizes and certificates of honor of the Komsomol and Komsomol, was a deputy of the Chisinau Council of People's Deputies, a member Presidium of the Moldovan Committee of the Soviet Cultural Foundation. In 1994-1998 and 2001-1989 he was a deputy of the Parliament of the Republic of Moldova. In 1991-XNUMX he was a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. "
        And now the question .... I understand that it is stupid, but still .... Like this one, and many others, hungry for self-identity, etc. were quite a nomenclature. And where and how did the nonsleep eye look together with the "party's fighting detachment" ??? That is, I can roughly imagine where)))) And all the groans about the "enemies of the communists", "the great mission of the USSR", etc. bullshit gets a little funny. If all these advanced people and fiery fighters allowed this, there was no future. It all ended the same way a little earlier, a little later, but the same way.
        And for the curious - this poets really wrote this ... It's not for nothing that Nikolai Trofimovich ...
        1. Liam
          Liam 13 January 2022 09: 24
          -3
          Quote: frog
          And for the curious - this poz really wrote this

          I know what's on in gentlemen take their word for it ... but I would still have a proof to see ...
          1. frog
            frog 13 January 2022 10: 15
            +5
            Do you speak Romanian?
            1. Liam
              Liam 13 January 2022 10: 48
              0
              Yes, even in English
              1. frog
                frog 13 January 2022 12: 26
                +4
                I threw this faithful Leninist's opus to you in a personal note. There, the text is large and there is no desire to litter the air with this garbage. hi
        2. tatra
          tatra 13 January 2022 09: 50
          -8
          Idiot question. You, the enemies of the communists, both under the rule of the communists, and after your capture of the USSR in your anti-communist Perestroika, always pretended to be and pretend to be those who benefit you at the moment, and there is no difference between those of you who, under the rule of the communists, pretended to be communists and their supporters, and in Perestroika, when it ceased to be profitable to be communists, they immediately proved their fierce hatred of the communists, and all of you who are in your slander against the Bolshevik communists, which is your only justification for your capture of the USSR in 30 years, diligently portray from yourself as "great philanthropists", out of it you proved your real inhuman essence.
          And if you had not captured the USSR, your benefactors Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, they would have pretended to be "faithful communists" until the end of their lives.
          1. frog
            frog 13 January 2022 10: 13
            +3
            Madam, I still understand that communicating with you is still a pleasure. wink
            But for the phrase "You, the enemies of the communists, both under the rule of the communists, and after you captured the USSR in your anti-communist Perestroika, you always pretended to be" one can rake. For the Union was destroyed, including orthodox stubborn fanatics. Not including the head and not reading the sources. Sobsssno those on whom they prayed. And if then all this nonsense of a female black horse with gray hair was still rolling, now carry it (and, all the more, listen to this painful nonsense .....
            So please, at least me, do not sweep it with your cheap blizzard.
            1. tatra
              tatra 13 January 2022 10: 50
              -6
              And to my comments about YOU, the enemies of the communists, please do not respond according to your cowardly pattern - malice against me and the communists.
              It doesn’t reach you that by doing this you only prove that you CANNOT refute what I write about you. Which is what was required to be proved.
              1. frog
                frog 13 January 2022 12: 30
                +2
                Psychiatrists refute the same to yours. If they can. I have a slightly different profession wink
          2. frog
            frog 13 January 2022 10: 20
            +2
            That calm down already, chesslvo, it's boring ....
            Enemies of whom are you trying to leave here? All the characters you mentioned .... the characters were faithful Leninists, devoted sons of the party and all that ....
            After some (stoned orthodox) did not decide what they want, the second just tried some mantras, not knowing and not understanding the source, the third decided that they could patch up. Everything. This is the sum total of all this turbulent activity. If your anger is determined by the fact that you did not have time for the pie - it can at least be understood wink If it's just malice at a railcar that has long since rolled away, I feel sorry for you. Do not grow wiser for so many years = you have to try ....
            1. tatra
              tatra 13 January 2022 10: 57
              -6
              That is, you, the enemies of the communists, are throwing on the communists and their supporters those who, together with you for more than 30 years, since Perestroika, have been slandering the Bolshevik communists, together with you justifying the crimes of external and internal enemies of the Bolshevik communists, and ALL 10 million criminals, passed through the Gulag for 30 years, only on the grounds that when it was profitable, they pretended to be communists and their supporters?
              The enemies of the communists both under the USSR and after their capture of the USSR proved that they have a mental propensity to betray their country and people, those who believed them, each other.
              Here are your "Liberators" Gorbachev and Yeltsin, they betrayed the communists who believed them, and you, who thanks to them received this life, under which you boast for 30 years, like all of you "and now it's better than in the USSR under the communists", betrayed them .
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 10: 40
            +5
            enemies of the communists, and under the power of the communists

            Dear Irina, you repeat this phrase so often that you run the risk of accidentally calling on the Most Important Soton ... Especially if you repeat it while standing in the center of the pentagram ... (just kidding! hi ).
            1. frog
              frog 13 January 2022 10: 57
              +4
              Alas, she does not know other words wink
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 11: 27
                +4
                Alas, she does not know other words

                Then he will definitely call you, don't go to grandma-grandpa ... belay
                Mournfully mumbled voice: ... and the earth will rise on the water, and the sky will open up, and the enemies of the communists from among the communists will be severely punished, painful and ashamed ... fellow
                1. frog
                  frog 13 January 2022 12: 29
                  +3
                  And in front of whom will you be ashamed? Before these ..........., who are still trying mantras, absolutely not understanding what they are talking about. Not to mention the fact that times have changed a bit. Even members of the Central Committee talked about enthy back in the 70s. But nobody listened to them. We know the result wink But dinosaurs, unlike Nessuha, still exist repeat
            2. tatra
              tatra 13 January 2022 11: 01
              -8
              Ha, it is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but even elementary logic and common sense.
              The enemies of the communists for all 104 years of the Soviet and their anti-Soviet-Russophobic periods prove to everything that they did, said, wrote, including in VO, that they are fierce enemies of the communists and their supporters, but fall into hysterics when they are called that.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 13 January 2022 19: 21
                -3
                Quote: tatra
                Ha, it is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but even elementary logic and common sense.

                Quote: Olgovich
                If it was completely unimportant, then they would have left Russia, where it existed for centuries - in Odessa, Uralsk, Mogilev, etc.

                WHY spend money on retraining, reassignment, staffing, etc.

                Answer me?
              2. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 14 January 2022 01: 29
                +2
                Quote: tatra
                Ha, it is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but even elementary logic and common sense.
                The enemies of the communists for all 104 years of the Soviet and their anti-Soviet-Russophobic periods prove to everything that they did, said, wrote, including in VO, that they are fierce enemies of the communists and their supporters, but fall into hysterics when they are called that.

                This is a clinic ... lol
            3. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 13 January 2022 12: 57
              +9
              Let’s suggest that our administration make the word “communist” unprintable for a couple of days. Just for fun. I wonder how the Tatra will express themselves. smile
              No, really, the lady uses this word so often that already from the pages of VO she has drawn such everyday domestic communism ...
              The wife comes home.
              - Misha, what does it smell like?
              - Sorry, sun. This is everyday communism ...
              - Again turned on the computer, went to VO, read the Tatra?
              - Sorry. Couldn't resist ...
              - Now ventilate again!
              1. frog
                frog 13 January 2022 13: 02
                +5
                So it shouldn't smell like chess, should he smell ??))
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 13: 12
                +5
                - Now ventilate again!

                - <insert name>, are you drunk?
                - This is printed communism.
                - Did you read the comments again?
                - Yes, I read it, cheated it, got upset, I had to relieve stress ... recourse

                There is a lot to write off ... wink drinks
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 13 January 2022 15: 50
                  +3
                  I generally like Eugene's articles, but still boring ...
                  All this has already been repeatedly, I mean, what is written in the comments ...
                  I feel myself beginning to inevitably degrade - fewer comments on the case, less interest in communication ... The environment seems to pupate.
                  Today, by the way, is the Old New Year. I'll light up a glass in the evening - maybe it will feel better?
                  request
                  1. frog
                    frog 13 January 2022 16: 03
                    +1
                    Under a heavy sigh, I'll clap a glass ...
                    His own god, his own master.
                    I climbed into my soul - there is a dark forest,
                    In the forest - a hollow, in a hollow - warm
              3. dauria
                dauria 14 January 2022 05: 11
                +2
                I wonder how the Tatra will speak


                Poisoning a person in a pack is fun and very human. Moreover, a woman.
                Walking past and not throwing brushwood into the fire with the "witch" is that so difficult?
                It's a shame, old ladies.
                Not everyone is given the opportunity to sing "The Internationale" yesterday, to be baptized in front of the public today, and tomorrow to burn icons again and stigmatize the cult, if this is necessary for "climbing to the top."
                Everyone's business, but constancy is worthy of at least respect. Even constancy is deluded.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 14 January 2022 06: 48
                  +4
                  Quote: dauria
                  It's a shame, old ladies.

                  Not a damn thing to be ashamed of. laughing
                  I'll give up my seat in the trolleybus, but in order not to giggle at stupidity and stubbornness - thank you. Does the lady want to communicate? She gets it in the form she deserves.
                2. frog
                  frog 14 January 2022 09: 42
                  +1
                  Poisoning a person in a pack is fun and very human. Moreover, a woman.

                  Poison?? Where?? The young lady wants to communicate - the young lady receives an answer to her .... communication. No more, the same principle of the mirror .... As you are to the pigs, so are the pigs to you (c)
                  As for fun and humanity - this is your point of view. Personally, she has long bore me .... bored. So far, it doesn’t touch me - yes, I don’t care, in general, about this stupid rudiment of a great era. In addition, such young ladies a little earlier cheerfully and humanely demanded all sorts of carnage to the bloody Trotskyist dogs and no less bloody accomplices of imperialism on their gangways. So here they are just stating a fact, and even without organizational conclusions ....
                  Especially a woman.

                  So we have equality, don't we? What is under the communists, what is now. And again, the principle of that very optical device works with it wink
            4. Catfish
              Catfish 13 January 2022 14: 23
              +4
              Especially if you repeat it while standing in the center of the pentagram ...


              So Madame will not get out of this figure. laughing

              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 14: 32
                +5
                So Madame will not get out of this figure.

                Repent, voluptuous sinner with a gun and an easel! bully Flogged! wassat drinks

                - Shurik, are you a member of the Komsomol? This is not our method! While our spaceships ...
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 13 January 2022 15: 21
                  +3
                  Repent, voluptuous sinner ...


                  "Birds, repent of your sins publicly!" (C) laughing
        3. Gromov
          Gromov 13 January 2022 15: 00
          0
          And what kind of pro-Romanian activity?
          1. frog
            frog 13 January 2022 16: 04
            0
            Sorry, it's not hotzza to flood a branch with a flood ... If you have a desire - google this freak, there is enough for one or two repeat
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 January 2022 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: Liam
        Can I have a proof for the original article?

        It is strange for a Romanian patriot not to know the works his same fellow- a real Romanian patriot - the most famous beacon of Romanian poetry in Romania and Moldova, a successful publisher, publicist, academician, laureate, order bearer, politician

        1th article "Russian women" Shi Art Literature, 1996

        The following article on the individual (in your native Romanian, see the net): "Russian women-2":
        In 1996, I published an article titled "Russian women", in which he spoke about Russian women as a phenomenon that was part of state policy during the period of the former USSR

        For over 50 years, communist ideology has spread mixed marriages. Because from a mixed marriage children became Russian.

        We were also told - if anyone wants to have genius children - to marry a Russian woman.

        Russian women know whose bed to slip into.

        The biggest disappointment for those who listened was that children from these marriages were mediocre at best, and mostly disabled (including moral ones), criminals, and losers.

        According to unofficial, but fairly truthful data, 60 percent of people with mental illness come from mixed families, 70 percent of offenders also have parents of different nationalities, religions or races, 80 percent of prostitutes.

        ... the Jewish population in various parts of the world fell from 17,4 million to 11 million.
        What the Holocaust didn't do, mixed marriages did

        Nicolae Dabiza, 2004
        https://vox.publika.md/life/rusoaicele-2-82181.html

        fool no words ...

        1. frog
          frog 13 January 2022 12: 32
          +1
          no words ...

          Are you for the opus of this unfinished Natsik or for a colleague, so to speak ???? wink
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 13 January 2022 13: 34
            -1
            Quote: frog
            no words ...

            Are you for the opus of this unfinished Natsik or for a colleague, so to speak ???? wink

            one field ...
        2. Liam
          Liam 13 January 2022 13: 53
          -2
          Quote: Olgovich
          no words ...

          Comrade feycometchik ... Your link is a blog of some obscure blogger who reports that it was allegedly written by Dabija in 2004.Since you are a liar known in narrow VOSh circles and instead of a proof on the original of the blogger's statement, it can be assumed that this is not reliable infa, but another button burp of the great site Russian patriot to the unconsciousness of loving his historical homeland from the dirty Chisinau entrance)
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 13 January 2022 14: 23
            -2
            Quote: Liam
            fellow feycometchik ..

            The gloomy liars-scum from the filthy port italopia never found my lie.
            .
            At the same time, they do not "see" the indicated sources -Shi Art Literature, 1996 and 2004
            Quote: Liam
            it can be assumed that this is not a reliable infa, but another push-button burp of the great site Russian patriot who loves his historical homeland from a dirty Chisinau entrance to unconsciousness

            denial of real newspapers "Literatura shi Arta" without any assumptions indicate that Romanian patriots have a powerless anger at the TRUTH about his idols - misanthropists and
            Quote: Liam
            another push-button burp of a loving homeland from the dirty.
            tavern in Italy.
            No one has yet denied this nonsense
            Nicolae Dabija, Deputy
            Chairman of the Social-Liberal Party / PSL, extraparliamentary /
            and editor-in-chief of the weekly "Literatura si Arta" - the
            press body of the Writers' Union - insists that his racist ideas,
            set forth in the editorial "Rusoaicele-2" / The Russian women-2 /,
            are right and, according to him, they will prove to be true in
            future.
            At the end of a large article published in the last but one
            number of the weekly "Literatura si Arta", Dabija writes that
            "some years should pass, maybe twenty, maybe fifty, so that you
            see, however, how right I was
            ".
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 08: 25
    0
    "Remember, gentlemen: this country will be ruined by corruption!" - the premiere of the film took place in 1987, the events in Kazakhstan in 1986 ... And this phrase is still relevant
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 08: 52
      +1
      And this phrase is still relevant

      Even more relevant than in the film ...
      Recently I reviewed it with pleasure - for the first time in fifteen years.
      - This is serious, Billy! It's eighty!
      - Yesterday it was worth fifty!
      - Inflation!
      request
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 09: 30
        -1
        Yep, I looked it up just now:
        "But the bitter truth, Mr. First, is that in our country only money can make a gentleman a man, and Mr. Second's films make me money."
        "Do you really think that for your miserable ten dollars the Lord will tolerate your hesitation?" (c) and so on .. smile hi
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 13 January 2022 09: 57
          +3
          Phrases for all time... To the point! hi
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 13 January 2022 10: 32
            +1
            How to look into the water laughing
  6. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 13 January 2022 08: 57
    +5
    It is worth paying attention that the removal of Kunaev became known even in Moscow on the evening of December 16, and already at 7:00 the next day the people protested against the decision of the Central Committee in Kazakhstan. This is even by modern standards a lightning-fast reaction, and for the events of 36 years ago, it does look like science fiction.

    This is very typical, even considering the time difference in Moscow and Alma-Ata at 3 o'clock. A clearly centrally planned action of a supposedly "popular protest".
  7. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 13 January 2022 09: 44
    +3
    The author writes: "If you look at the chronicles of the turnover of the first persons of Kazakhstan in the Soviet period, it turns out that there were only two ethnic Kazakhs - the mentioned Kunaev and Ismail Yusupov." And Zhumabay Shayakhmetov, who was the First Secretary of the Central Committee in Kazakhstan in 1946-1954? By the way, the name of the Chairman of the KGB of the Kazakh USSR is not Kamaliderov, but Kamalidenov. And already at the end of 1985 he became one of the secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan. And from February to December 1988 he was the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of Kazakhstan. Both of these posts were higher in status compared to the post of Chairman of the KGB of the Kazakh SSR. Was it hard to verify the information? By the way, if we proceed from Soviet traditions, then it is customary to list officials based on their official position. Solomentsev, a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU and Chairman of the Party Control Committee under the Central Committee of the CPSU, was both formally and in fact a more influential and high-ranking figure than Deputy Chairman of the KGB of the USSR Bobkov.
  8. tatra
    tatra 13 January 2022 09: 56
    -5
    And not one of the enemies of the communists wrote anything against the anti-Soviet Kazakhs who staged this rebellion, they just again tightened their 30-year-old cowardly ideology "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists' fault."
  9. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 13 January 2022 10: 06
    +1
    Khrushchev was a controversial personality. But, of course, he carried out a shake-up of personnel in the republics of Central Asia and in Kazakhstan very actively. On the one hand, there were reasons: incompetence, postscripts. Now it is somehow forgotten that the first cotton files on postscripts were back in the time of Khrushchev. And it was talked about openly. Many leading figures were removed from the republican to the collective farm level. But all these shake-ups by Khrushchev were carried out by such methods, conceived in a humiliating form, that in some cases this led to an aggravation of interethnic relations. The change of leadership in the Latvian SSR was just as rude and clumsy at the end of the 50s under the pretext of fighting nationalism. Although there is no smoke without fire. Some of the figures removed by Khrushchev took a pronounced nationalist, anti-Russian position during the collapse of the USSR. For example, Eduards Berklavs, taken during the purge of 1959 (in the post-war First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Komsomol of Latvia, then First Secretary of the Riga City Party Committee, Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Latvian SSR) became an ardent nationalist by the end of the 80s, was one of the founders of the movement for national independence . Although, perhaps, at first, resentment played a role. After all, Khrushchev publicly threatened to "crush" Berklavs if he tried to conduct anti-party, nationalist activities.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 January 2022 19: 26
      0
      Khrushchev was a controversial person. But, of course, he was very active in shaking up personnel in the republics of Central Asia and in Kazakhstan. On the one hand, there were reasons: incompetence, registration.
      I believe that he carried out the shake-up in the republics in order to purge the Stalinists. During the time of Joseph they fought with the same postscripts quite tough (but they were still there). And the scale of the postscripts under Stalin and the late Brezhnev is simply incomparable. By the way, where are the mountains of gold allegedly discovered by Gdlyan and Ivanov in Uzbekistan? Really found and appropriated?
  10. wow
    wow 13 January 2022 10: 13
    +4
    He served there in (SAVO) Taldy Kurgan, from 1985 to 1993. I saw all this with my own eyes. Question and why!? Then all this "settled down" and went on as usual. And my colleagues were both Kazakhs and Uighurs and Germans and Russians and Uzbeks, etc. etc. And no problem.
  11. Yurahip
    Yurahip 13 January 2022 14: 56
    -1
    Read Solzhenitsyn's "How We Can Equip Russia"
    All the answers are there.
  12. Sergey-1950
    Sergey-1950 13 January 2022 19: 19
    +6
    [quote] [/ quote] Secondly, in the Kazakh SSR - the only one among the union republics - the titular nation did not constitute an absolute majority. If we focus on the data of the 1989 census, there were about 45% of Russians and Ukrainians, about 6% were Germans, and the Kazakhs themselves were no more than 40%. By the way, up to 70% of ethnic Kazakhs used the Russian language. [Quote] [quote]

    Russians were 40%, Ukrainians - 9%, Belarusians - more than 1%. All together constituted monolithic 50,5%. But this is according to the passport. In life, all three nations considered themselves and were considered Russian.
    Kazakhs were 38%. But these 38 were stubbornly rounded up and it turned out to be 40%.
    Germans were really 6%, 960 thousand. Almost a million!
    In addition, large ethnic groups, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, lived in the republic. Tatars - 400 thousand, Koreans - 100 thousand, Uighurs - 100 thousand, Turks and Azerbaijanis - at least 100 thousand, Poles, Uzbeks - the same thing.
    But this picture can be simplified. In fact, there were two nations in Kazakhstan: Kazakhs and Non-Kazakhs. Kazakhs had privileges. In studies, in career advancement, and especially in promotion to leadership positions. In government bodies, police, prosecutors, universities, the percentage of Kazakhs was disproportionately high. The process of "indigenization" was launched not only in Kazakhstan, but in all republics. This system began to take shape and acquired its own dynamics under Khrushchev. Under Brezhnev, the leadership either did not understand what was happening or did not know what to do about it. But this system has rotted for 30 decades and already stinks. Russians (non-Kazakhs) were completely dissatisfied with this state of affairs. It must be said that there were Kazakhs too, who believed that pushing upward on a national basis was an ugly phenomenon that needed to be eliminated.
    The change from Kunaev to Kolbin with ENTHUSIASM was not accepted by the Kazakhs. That is, 62% of the population. And many Kazakhs (not all) saw this change of power as a threat to their privileges and went to protect them.
  13. RoTTor
    RoTTor 14 January 2022 00: 52
    +1
    In the coming Union - no national republics and so on. natsfanaberia.
    ONLY PROVINCE
    1. Sergey-1950
      Sergey-1950 14 January 2022 01: 09
      -2
      Quote: RoTTor
      In the coming Union - no national republics and so on. natsfanaberia. ONLY PROVINCE

      This is also a twist. Then you can forget about the new Union. National education is needed. But we must not allow belonging to the "titular" nation to turn into a profession.
  14. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 16 January 2022 02: 04
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    They sowed the Dragon's teeth in 1917-1940, carefully watered them, fertilized, raised, well, and got ....

    Exactly!
    And now we owe them.
    They hang their flags on rented Moscow apartments, put their hats under the back window of a taxi, feel like the masters of life in Russia.
    Yes, they did not need help in retaining power. And to evacuate the Russians, then sending out the Kazakhs-illegals. And drive this territory (by returning the native Russian lands to their native harbor) into feudalism, which they deserved a long time ago.