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Russia is dancing to the tune of NATO, but pretends to be playing its own game

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Russia is dancing to the tune of NATO, but pretends to be playing its own gameTherefore, another initiative of Nazarbayev will die without being born.

The idea of ​​the Kazakh leader Nursultan Nazarbayev can be called whatever you like - a project of the century, a utopia, a model of public relations or even nonsense, but one thing is sure: the very proposal to create a qualitatively new “platform of Euro-Atlantic and Eurasian security” is a significant event. If only because in the course of subsequent discussions, it is likely that masks will be torn off someone’s face, and the “partners” simply get to know each other better.

But it is at least. Nazarbayev himself is pointing far away - to unite representatives of the most different (sometimes diametrically opposed) structures of international security in order to finally deal with this very security, so far, according to a source close to the president of Kazakhstan, it’s not very good: associations in the Euro-Atlantic and Eurasian space the potential for cooperation in solving security problems is used to a minimum extent. Our idea is to fill this gap. ” At the same time, a source in an interview with Kommersant stressed that it is not at all about creating a new bulky structure burdened by administrative and bureaucratic means. Kazakhstan assumes that a qualitatively new superstructure must become flexible in its form and extremely concrete in content, i.e. be focused on specific results.

In this case, the "salad" is supposed to nastrogat of ingredients that seem radically incompatible. The structure should include representatives of the UN, NATO, CSTO, OSCE, CICA, SCO, EU and CIS. In Moscow, such an ambitious swing received a restrained and friendly assessment. “Any proposals aimed at improving the work of international organizations and strengthening ties between them can only be welcomed. However, taking into account previous efforts to establish such cooperation, I can say that this is not an easy task, ”a source at the Russian Foreign Ministry said to Kommersant. In the foreign policy department, Nazarbayev was also reminded of the previous unsuccessful attempts to establish cooperation between NATO and the CSTO, and the goal was then proclaimed very specific and one that it would have seemed to be simply indecent to refuse - the suppression of Afghan drug trafficking. But the novel ended, without having begun. “We ourselves are with a mustache,” the answer came from Brussels, and the topic was declared closed.

And now from the headquarters of NATO came a disappointing response. “We most often heard about such high-profile projects in 1990's, then everyone wanted to become a cook of some great institutional soup. Now is not the time of cumbersome initiatives, it is necessary to solve urgent problems promptly, ”a representative of the North Atlantic Alliance, interviewed by the publication, announced the verdict on the Nazarbayev initiative. At the same time, he himself called the proposal “quite good, albeit unrealistic.” It is all the more difficult to argue with the second after the thesis repeatedly stated in the American top that the CSTO and the SCO are governed by “non-democratic regimes”, and these structures themselves clearly contradict the presence of the West in Central Asia ...

But it’s still great that in the cynical world of politics there are still people who believe (and, it seems, sincerely) in miracles.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, the chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development, the leader of the Development Movement, Yuri Krupnov, pessimistically assessed the prospects for the idea of ​​the Kazakh leader:

- Of course, this initiative does not have great prospects, but we must understand that it was generally proposed in a certain sense out of desperation, since Nursultan Abishevich, I am sure, is experiencing enormous difficulties in understanding the security policy pursued by Moscow. Indeed, on the one hand, in the Russian military doctrine, in the national security strategy, as well as in the decisions of the CSTO, the inadmissibility of NATO penetration into the Russian Federation and even into the CSTO zone of influence is clearly stated. And this is a tough setup.

But on the other hand, the Russian Federation concluded the standard NATO agreement on the transit of goods, undertook to ensure this transit through a staging post in Ulyanovsk, which in fact is a standard NATO logistical base of NATO. And, of course, all leaders of independent states (not only Nazarbayev) have a complete misunderstanding of Moscow’s position. From here, and attempts to somehow propose solutions, to create institutions that would really be able to carry out all this mixed policy of the Russian Federation in the format of some integrated complexes of the type proposed by the head of Kazakhstan.

It is clear that this initiative will not cause any sympathy and desires for Moscow or for NATO to begin its implementation. After all, NATO solves all questions as it sees fit, and directly with everyone, including with Moscow and Astana. Russia, in fact, is dancing to the tune of NATO, but at the same time it wants to pretend that it is playing some kind of its own, separate game, and therefore also will not participate in the events under this Nazarbayev initiative.

- How do you think, what will this initiative of the President of Kazakhstan ultimately result in?

- And nothing will pour out. It is proposed to involve very diverse institutions. And, moreover, their very heterogeneity, I would say, is due to the lack of a clear security policy on the part of Moscow. As a result, we have about a dozen different institutions sitting in the Eurasian post-Soviet space, and there is no increase in clarity where we are going. So the idea of ​​Nursultan Nazarbayev, unfortunately, does not have prospects.
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  1. Trofimov174
    Trofimov174 21 September 2012 06: 36
    +20
    If we consider the usual cooperation between Russia and NATO on the issue of Afghanistan as dancing to the tune, then how to assess the joint tactical exercises of Kazakhstan and the same NATO? Blow job under Chopin? And it was Nazarbayev who refused to speed up the process of creating the Eurasian Union, when Lukashenko and Putin proposed to sign the agreement not in 2015, but two years earlier.
    1. bachast
      bachast 21 September 2012 06: 51
      +1
      And it was Nazarbayev who refused to speed up the process of creating the Eurasian Union, when Lukashenko and Putin proposed to sign the agreement not in 2015, but two years earlier

      Please provide a quote or interview in which the person who is the author of the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union said this. It is interesting in what context
      1. Trofimov174
        Trofimov174 21 September 2012 07: 04
        +10
        Okeyushki, I quote: "Commenting on the negative result of the negotiations on signing the agreement on transformation of the EurAsEC, Lukashenko admitted:" We really did not accept this draft agreement, we did not sign it. Why? Because Kazakhstan was categorically against the economic union. "According to him," we (Russians and Belarusians) were united in signing the agreement. We said: "Yes, the agreement must be signed on the union." They said that there was no need to speed up this process: "We agreed to enter the level of union relations in 2015 - let's go in 2015."
        1. bachast
          bachast 21 September 2012 07: 22
          +4
          There isn’t not the words of Lukashenko, but the words of Nazarbayev. Perhaps the interview was given on this issue? He is against artificial acceleration, for example. And the approach to this issue should be deliberate and pragmatic ..
          Lukashenko often spoke unflattering to Russia. But I didn’t want to pay for gas, what else. As a result?
          Nazarbayev’s words look quite rational
          The programmatic article by President Nursultan Nazarbayev “The Eurasian Union: From Idea to the History of the Future” has become a landmark event for the entire post-Soviet space. In fact, the Head of Kazakhstan worthily concludes the “discussion at the highest level” about integration, which was launched on the pages of Izvestia by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko.

          http://www.inean.info/main/politics/1938.htm

          "it is necessary to create a new union like the European Union. It was about a fundamentally new union - equitable, without older and younger brothers. And as a finale - about a project of full-scale interaction without losing political sovereignty. "


          Because Kazakhstan made strongly against economic union- This is nonsense, well?
          1. Trofimov174
            Trofimov174 21 September 2012 09: 08
            0
            Nazarbayev has repeatedly argued that his views on the future union do not at all fit with reality. This is evidenced by his plans to include in the union among the first countries such as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Abkhazia, Ossetia and Turkmenistan instead of Ukraine, to make Astana the capital of the future Union, and still not lose a single drop of power and its sovereignty (which always happens with such integration, take at least the European Union). Therefore, Nazarbayev was sitting alone with his fantasies while Lukashenko and Putin, after the creation of the Union State, concluded that integration should continue. And now to the point: tightening the contract is another pearl of Nazarbayev and his retinue. They delay the creation of a new ambitious project at a time when the world is redistributing the economic picture, thousands of companies are looking for new places to invest and open their industries after their profits in Europe and America began to decline sharply. But Nazarbayev wants to stay a little longer as the main khan and to steer the country, while the supranational Eurasian parliament hasn’t pulled out half of the power
            1. Liberti
              Liberti 21 September 2012 10: 03
              -8
              Quote: Trofimov174
              make Astana the capital of the future Union, and even not lose a single drop of power and its sovereignty

              And what do you want to steer from Moscow? And so that all lose their sovereignty? Hmm ... as an interest, you don’t want anything else but wink ?
              Quote: Trofimov174
              This is evidenced by his plans to include in the union among the first countries such as Uzbekistan,

              And what does it somehow pull you? In general, the big question is whether the Uzbekistan needs it. lol
            2. bachast
              bachast 21 September 2012 10: 07
              +1
              Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Abkhazia, Ossetia and Turkmenistan instead Ukraine

              You must confirm these words. Give where you read them. I really wonder

              make Astana the capital of the future Union

              read reviews here
              http://topwar.ru/7985-stolicey-evraziyskogo-soyuza-dolzhna-stat-astana-otvet-naz


              arbaeva-putinu.html
              Yes, even Kyzyl-Orda would only be a Union-Adequate opinion!


              and still not lose a single drop of power and their sovereignty
              The president who wants to lose the sovereignty of the country is worthless. What are you talking about ???

              tightening the contract is another pearl of Nazarbayev and his retinue. They delay the creation of a new ambitious project at a time when the world is redistributing the economic picture, thousands of companies are looking for new places to invest and open their industries after their profits in Europe and America began to decline sharply. But Nazarbayev wants to stay a little longer as the main khan and to steer the country, while the supranational Eurasian parliament hasn’t pulled out half of the power
              this is your opinion and nothing more. As President Nazarbayev thinks in the interests of his state, and not for the sake of what you would like. Once again, read his vision of this project is quite adequate
          2. crazyrom
            crazyrom 5 October 2012 22: 56
            0
            Quote: bachast
            Kazakhstan categorically opposed the economic union

            so who exactly is dancing to the tune of NATO ???
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 21 September 2012 08: 37
      +2
      Afftor apparently gives his secret thoughts for the ultimate truth.
      ps remind afftor, the end of the 30s
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 21 September 2012 17: 45
      +4
      Dear colleague, Trofimov174, hello! NATO exercises with Russia by no means less. Have you asked yourself the question: "What needs to be done in order for our UNION to become genuine and effective, and not declarative?" ... From my point of view, you need to do the following:
      1. Our constitutions must be at least compatible; but rather united. The same goes for the criminal code.
      2. The tariffs should be the same (electricity, transit, railways and roads, energy carriers - for example, our AI-96 gas costs 140 tenge, 1 dollar = 150 tenge; how much is in Russia?).
      3. The tax and subsidy policy should be uniform. For example, we have VAT = 12%, and you have 18% (correct if I am mistaken). Subsidies to agriculture or medicine, for example, should also be equivalent.
      4. It is necessary to create supranational bodies in various ministries and departments, including parliament. For example, the Foreign Ministry, so that we have a single foreign policy. MO - at least a single formation in various branches of the armed forces, charter, etc. etc. .
      5. It is necessary to create a single economic policy so that we do not create competing industries. Create a single strategy for each country that is part of our union. For example, if Kazakhstan has the 3rd uranium raw material in the world, then we need to create the appropriate capacities and production here on the spot.
      6. We need a single currency, for a start, at least non-cash payments.
      7. Pricing, especially for vital foods, should be uniform.
      This is just what came to my mind right away. Now ask yourself the question: "Is it possible to do this in 1-2 years?" Everything must be fair, otherwise some of us will pay for all this, like Germany for the EU - for the illiterate economic policy of its neighbors. Or so that RUSSIA will have to subsidize some republic. For example, Russia this year subsidized Belarus in the amount of $ 6 billion. And together we, Russia and Kazakhstan, have allocated 1 billion soft loans. No, I'm not against helping our allies, I just think that no one should hang around their necks.
      I think that 2015. - This is a reasonable time. Otherwise, we get a mess such that we push away all neighbors. But it is necessary on the contrary - by our example to show the profitability of our UNION.
      Here is my opinion.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 21 September 2012 18: 04
        +1
        Nazarbayev’s initiative will be of interest only when the United States recognizes that a multipolar world has been established in the world. When there will be a division of spheres of influence by region and all disputed territorial claims will be resolved. It seems to me that this will not happen soon. In short, when all countries realize that the world needs peace, then this initiative will be relevant.
        And the initiative, it’s the initiative to discuss it.
    4. Shulz-1955
      Shulz-1955 21 September 2012 18: 11
      0
      Nazarbayev knows what he says
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 21 September 2012 18: 38
        +5
        Hello hello North Koreans should not be confused with us. Such humor is not appropriate.
    5. romb
      romb 22 September 2012 02: 16
      0
      Show me a document in which the Republic of Kazakhstan is prohibited from conducting exercises, the meaning of which is purely peacekeeping in nature, and not some kind of "tactical" exercises in the framework of individual military operations.
      Before you try to be clever, you need to understand the essence of what is happening.

      Tactical exercises?)))))))
  2. Sars
    Sars 21 September 2012 06: 47
    +2
    Nazarbayev has always been a master of the "artistic word".
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 21 September 2012 10: 26
      -4
      I think it's really helpful for us to hear a little truth about Russian foreign policy. If we discard the stubborn non-recognition of facts under the influence of the "hoppatriots", then one gets the impression that the Russian government is trying to dance to two tune at once - with one foot to the American, and the other to the Chinese. Naturally, in such a situation, we look pretty clumsy.
      Some facts:
      http://news.rambler.ru/15588450/
      http://mobi.rod1.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1b7e9748188d37bc9b0a40f1d33f1a29&
      topic = 630.0
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 21 September 2012 16: 28
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        http://news.rambler.ru/15588450/
        http://mobi.rod1.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1b7e9748188d37bc9b0a40f1d33f1a29&

        topic = 630.0

        Yes, I don’t find anything on these links .......
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 21 September 2012 14: 20
      -1
      And how interesting it would be to learn about the sources of funding for United Russia
      http://news.rambler.ru/15576251/
      By God, the law on "foreign agents" is probably the most useful thing that the Duma has approved this year!
      You just look what kypezh rose among those who dance to the tune of a foreign:
      http://news.rambler.ru/15616735/
      http://www.neva24.ru/a/2012/07/16/RPC_ispugal_status_inost/
      http://ronsinform.com/2166-poimyonnyj-spisok-inostrannyx-agentov.html
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 21 September 2012 16: 45
        0
        Quote: S_mirnov
        http://news.rambler.ru/15576251/

        Read it! Yeah! What can I say! They wash away the dirt from themselves ........ or sweep traces ...
        Quote: S_mirnov
        http://news.rambler.ru/15616735/

        Recently I learned that in Russia the committee of soldiers' mothers is also funded from the USA ....... laughing Maybe it's even right .......
        Quote: S_mirnov
        http://www.neva24.ru/a/2012/07/16/RPC_ispugal_status_inost/

        And the church falls under it! They also accept foreign donations ....
        Quote: S_mirnov
        http://ronsinform.com/2166-poimyonnyj-spisok-inostrannyx-agentov.html

        There are no main characters in this list!
  3. Normal
    Normal 21 September 2012 06: 48
    +2
    Good day to all.
    So what is the idea of ​​Nursultan Nazarbayev? From the article it’s hard to understand.
    And the fact that; [quote] Nursultan Obishevich ... is experiencing gigantic difficulties in understanding the security policy pursued by Moscow / quote] is not surprising. We, too (with the exception of approvers) experience such difficulties.
  4. Rezun
    Rezun 21 September 2012 06: 49
    +4
    The author "+", the topic is important; and the "responder-" - ".
    Where is the analysis of possible solutions to problems?
    Although, why bother if life is "good"?
    Brothers, it is difficult to re-equip the army, to raise the economy. But further it will be even more difficult - it is necessary to "break" the national "elites" - it is more difficult to clean the brains than, sorry, toilets. And here Mr. Krupnov must start "jumping" in advance!
    1. CEO
      CEO 21 September 2012 09: 00
      0
      Having read the title of the article for some reason, I immediately thought that it was Krupnov.
      Without reading it I went down to see, but no, I didn’t. But then he laughed heartily when he read the article and came across him and his statements. I haven’t liked him recently; he’s late for the situation. He writes a lot, but all the articles seem to be in the past, even if they are fresh. I am no longer interested in his statements. And somewhere about two years ago I was with him, though not in everything but in solidarity. And now his nagging is already tired. He says a lot of what is needed, but not enough.
  5. Bigriver
    Bigriver 21 September 2012 07: 20
    +7
    Shitty little article.
    The chant in the title is based only on one fact - the presence of the so-called. "bases" in Ulyanovsk. There are no other facts!
    Therefore, we will try with a single fact in more detail.
    Smarter and more knowledgeable correct me wink ...
    The military base is a support, providing a point for the projection of the forces of any side in the region.
    The point in Ulyanovsk was created to evacuate NATO forces from Afghanistan. That is, to reduce the projection of force, it turns out.
    And what is the damage to the national interests of Russia or the CIS as a whole?
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 21 September 2012 08: 08
      +3
      The article is clearly biased. The idea of ​​a jump airfield itself does not have any political weight, but this is a reason for criticizing the authorities. If amers pay, for God's sake. But we must strictly monitor that this airfield does not turn into a full-fledged base. Decisively suppress even attempts in this direction. The question arises, what is the more profitable use of an airfield in Ulyanovsk from the use of a base in Kyrgyzstan. By the way, the Manas airfield is a chic runway there 3,5 km away. The terrain is flat as a table, but fogs are frequent.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 21 September 2012 08: 44
        +1
        The question arises, what is the more profitable use of an airfield in Ulyanovsk from the use of a base in Kyrgyzstan. By the way, the Manas airfield is a chic runway there 3,5 km away.
        In Ulyanovsk, the runway is more than 5 km.
        But, most likely, the logistics were considered more profitable. There is a tie on the railway.
    2. Pula
      Pula 21 September 2012 08: 11
      +1
      I'm correcting. Not a base, but a transit point. Not for evacuation, but for supplying NATO troops.
  6. Igarr
    Igarr 21 September 2012 08: 01
    0
    Hello to all.
    "You cannot embrace the immensity" - Kozma Prutkov.
    "You cannot harness a horse and a quivering mouse in one cart" - he is, if I am not mistaken.
    ...
    The idea is to get hurt. But there will be no implementation.
    But there is one reason - who will steer who?
    Nazarbayev? Nah-eh-eh, NATh this is not necessary.
    That's all.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 21 September 2012 11: 38
      +5
      Quote: Igarr
      The idea is to get hurt. But there will be no implementation.

      Hello cobras! Some day today turned out that no article (with a few exceptions), so with a swampy smell. They found someone to take as authors they refer to Kommersant ... and the light cavalry in the comments right there ... ran over. The idea, of course, will not be realized, just like the USSR in the 50s declared that it wanted to join NATO ! NATO itself said that they DO NOT NEED this! Here is the art of provocative statements. An analogy from our days - you want to build a missile defense system against mythical countries - "rogue" - let's create a European missile defense system with the participation of Russia, and no matter what, we don't want to, we are always at the same time with the UWB. Such ideas are thrown in, so that later you have a reason to say - guys, but we offered you to live together ... normally and regularly, but now - don't excuse me.
  7. T72B
    T72B 21 September 2012 08: 02
    +1
    "... cooperation between NATO and the CSTO, and the goal was then proclaimed extremely specific and one that, it seemed, would be simply indecent to refuse - the suppression of Afghan drug trafficking."

    A large-scale such task was announced. This is like an attempt to negotiate with a bee on curbing the traffic of honey to the hive. So let the bees set up against honey.
  8. Pula
    Pula 21 September 2012 08: 09
    +3
    And you will not care if the neighbor above and the neighbor below you agree on a safe neighborhood bypassing you?
    Russia promised the United States to help with the delivery of goods, and Kazakhstan covers us from below. Putin may be dancing to the tune of amers, but his own dance. And they tear the lungs ...
  9. Ataturk
    Ataturk 21 September 2012 09: 12
    +5
    Once again, I was convinced that the CSTO countries, Iran, Syria and all that are far from an alliance with Russia. But the reality is

    1. kush62
      kush62 21 September 2012 13: 53
      0
      Russia has two allies - the army and navy. No, there is still a best friend and adviser to Ataturk. All hope for him.
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 21 September 2012 19: 37
        0
        Quote: kush62
        No, there is still a best friend and adviser to Ataturk.


        We have one saying. Ataturk Boyd Pokh Agza. That is, a large fertilizer can fall on your head. Like karma. What you sow is what you reap.
      2. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 22 September 2012 04: 39
        0
        laughing

        Quote: kush62
        Russia has two allies - the army and navy. No, there is still a best friend and adviser to Ataturk. All hope for him.


        I also did not understand why it suddenly came to the conclusion that the CSTO was not an ally of Russia. Yes, it’s so decorated!
        Iran as an ally - Russia did not seem to be begging. Like Syria.
        But, as they say, and the horse is clear why such conclusions ... bully

        Iran and Syria are not very, for some reason, get along with Azerbaijan. Moreover, in the event of a war of the West with Syria and Iran, it is very likely to separate from both territories just under Turkey and Azerbaijan. This is one of the development options, in fact, considered by analysts.
        With the CSTO, the sources are also visible. Armenia is entering there.
        It is clear and a hedgehog that not everyone will be equally active if a sheer. But you can certainly count on Belarus and Kazakhstan. And the rest, I think, will not fail. To the best of possibilities.
  10. afire
    afire 21 September 2012 09: 20
    +2
    I’m being pinned by articles with UNNAMENTED SOURCES)) as soon as I see them - for me the cross is put even in the slightest veracity of the text.
  11. Rink
    Rink 21 September 2012 10: 04
    +4
    Nazarbayev’s initiative is unlikely to be realized, not because Russia is dancing to someone’s tune, but because such a motley audience cannot be gathered under one flag.

    ... representatives of the UN, NATO, CSTO, OSCE, CICA, SCO, EU and CIS will have to enter. In Moscow, such an ambitious swing received a restrained and friendly assessment. ...


    When my seven-year-old son proposes a way to reorganize the educational process at school, I also express to him a "restrained and benevolent assessment." Why disappoint the boy that his "initiative" is unrealistic?
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 21 September 2012 13: 34
      +2
      such a motley audience under one flag cannot be gathered.
      In addition, an audience with opposing interests.
      1. Rink
        Rink 21 September 2012 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: BigRiver
        such a motley audience under one flag cannot be gathered.
        In addition, an audience with opposing interests.

        .... but to blame for everything, and this too - for some reason, Russia is again declared. This is already starting to bother ...
  12. aksakal
    aksakal 21 September 2012 10: 34
    +2
    Quote: Skating rink
    When my seven-year-old son proposes a way to reorganize the educational process at school, I also express to him a "restrained and benevolent assessment." Why disappoint the boy that his "initiative" is unrealistic?

    - well, there is no need to rush, the situation is changing very quickly, and even radically, the times are now. When Nazarbayev voiced the ideas of the Eurasian Union, back in the 90s + all sorts of "10 simple steps towards people", he was also expressed
    Quote: Skating rink
    "discreetly favorable assessment"
    , but in the minds of the majority of Russians, "Thank you, but nafig it is necessary, they threw them off the neck, and they again strive to climb on it! We should go where far away!" Not even two decades have passed ... -)))))).
    Skating rink, are you a seer? How do you know how it will turn out tomorrow? I admit you are right, but I point out a more realistic, although for me, less hospitable assessment - voicing this idea and the country that it represents, alas, does not have sufficient political weight - and the country is too young, and small in population, and economic and technical development is not so hot. There are many reasons for the low political weight, but this does not mean at all that Nazarbayev is wrong - this cannot be said. Only time will tell
    1. Rink
      Rink 21 September 2012 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: aksakal
      ... there is a lot of political weight, but this does not mean at all that Nazarbayev is wrong - this cannot be said. Only time will tell

      I am not a seer.
      But today, the probability of the implementation of this proposal is vanishingly small. Well, in my philistine view, of course. Although, in principle, it might be nice if it all happened: Nazarbayev had everyone in this format, and my second-grader got five days off a week (in his opinion, it would be better).

      Hence both "benevolently" and "restrained": let them try, why interfere? but what if?!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 September 2012 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: Skating rink
        Hence both "benevolently" and "restrained": let them try, why interfere? but what if?!

        - I agree.
        It’s just that I’ll be studying more thoroughly today what Nazarbayev actually voiced. First-hand. Somehow, in Krupnov’s interpretation (isn’t it the very Krupnov that writes nonsense on aviation topics?) I didn’t understand anything, it seems that you didn’t understand too, and there can be no objectivity from this. Hence the estimates.
        It is unlikely that Nazarbayev voiced any stupidity. He’s been in big politics for 40 years, heading the state in such a region (he was the chairman of the Council of Ministers even when another politician, no less respected by me, still got a roll in the deaf Petersburg courtyards-wells and painfully thought about which section to enroll to break this the situation -))))), yes, in such an era (about such an era, the Chinese have impartially responded that I wish the enemy to live in such an era), Norway is not well-fed, where Breivik is once a hundred years, so 40 years in this region are like North, a year for two.
        1. Rink
          Rink 21 September 2012 17: 09
          0
          aksakalAnd I agree with you - Nazarbayev is an intelligent politician. At least the behavior of Kazakhstan in the international arena and in the CIS after the collapse of the USSR inspires me with great respect (sometimes even envy) in comparison with Ukraine. (True, sometimes all sorts of rumors leaked out about nationalists, because of whom a large percentage of Russians left Kazakhstan. But here I have no reliable information about what you actually had there.) But our political "beau monde" is just horror .. ...
          And you are very lucky that you still have such a seasoned leader, still of the old school. Still, whatever you say, that school and those people are no match for the "new generation" of crooks from politics.

          PS By the way, formally, my small homeland is Kazakhstan. I was born in Osakarovka, Karaganda region, and I have a birth certificate in two languages ​​- Kazakh and Russian. In the first year of my life, I traveled about 1000 km along the Irtysh, and then left my homeland forever. :) Dad built power lines throughout the Union, and mom after the institute was distributed to teach you children. There they met ...
  13. Averias
    Averias 21 September 2012 11: 48
    +5
    I just didn’t understand one thing, what’s the relationship: Russia is dancing to the tune of NATO, but pretending to play its own game - is it related to the article? Or something, by the principle of mail.ru or something we act. They also posted an article under the headline - iPhone 5 will not work in Russia - but in fact it turned out that LTE communication will not work. Why use such catchy and provocative headlines?
  14. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 21 September 2012 15: 55
    +1
    It seems like a Century read that Nazarbayev’s window of prosperity in the country is being destroyed, so his initiatives, with all the obvious usefulness at the moment, only hurt - his local nationalists, by definition, will have to oppose, therefore, although Kazakhstan is the initiator, it is actually the weakest link in the newly formed structure ...
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 21 September 2012 22: 03
      +1
      While Nazarbayev is alive, the locals will remain silent. And about the "showcase of well-being" I will say that there are few places in Russia that could boast of such a showcase. But in Uzbekistan, in a place called Urgench, even showcases did not work, it's a pity. There really are such places nearby, Khiva, Samarkand, etc., but for some reason it did not work out.
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 22 September 2012 04: 58
        0
        Nothing will happen after Nazer’s departure. The problem there is not nationalists. There is a problem in the inheritance - what clans will get what. And all of this in Kazakhstan is well understood. And all the chatter comes from the interests within these clans, and from the interests around the politics of Kazakhstan. Uzbekistan is particularly interested in this - for it has always laid claim to the place that Kazakhstan plays in the region. It is not clear what Uzbekistan is counting on. Russia, of course, will always support Kazakhstan, even if - and this is very unlikely - Kazakhstan will suddenly be shaken at this moment.
  15. nycsson
    nycsson 21 September 2012 16: 21
    -1
    I completely agree with the title of the article!
  16. escobar
    escobar 21 September 2012 16: 37
    0
    It is difficult, of course, to present all of the above structures on one plate. Then the West would have to reckon with ours, but they need it ???
  17. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 September 2012 16: 54
    0
    Dancing to the tune is not bad if the mood is good, especially if you give the musician a slap in the face and say that he would be louder than the dude ...
  18. taseka
    taseka 21 September 2012 17: 23
    0
    Jumps and political leaps so that you are not forgotten - a complete copy of the laws of show business !!!
  19. Botanologist
    Botanologist 21 September 2012 22: 53
    +3
    I read the article. I thought for a long time.
    I suspect that the journalist either hit his head or smoked. Perhaps - he sniffed.
    It’s safe to assess the principles of Kazakhstan’s policy on the platform of the NATO transshipment hub in Ulyanovsk.
  20. mind1954
    mind1954 22 September 2012 02: 10
    -1
    It must be remembered that when Andropov formed his
    "perestroika" brigade, then Nazarbayev was taken from the Kazakh
    Academy of Sciences, Shushkevich from the Belarusian Academy of Sciences, etc. !

    Of course, these were proven KGB people, like me
    I understand with experience of many years of cooperation!
    (By the way, Shushkevich was the curator of Lee Harvey Oswald
    at the television factory in Minsk, as far as I remember!).

    Maybe the title of the article does not correspond to its content,
    but the dominance of the power of thieves and traitors in our country,
    I think, IT IS COMPLETELY COMPLETE !!!