Confessions of the destroyers of the USSR: "We just took the dissidents' salary"

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CIA understands: "Russia is the only country that can destroy the United States"

American politicians, including former leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, as well as well-known political scientists, spoke about the technologies that they “rolled back” on the destruction of the USSR. This is written in LJ blogger Anna Kislichenko, attached to the text and video.

In particular, US Foreign Policy Specialist Michael Ledin says: “Who, under Reagan, thought we would break the USSR? But some 8 years have passed! We just took the dissidents' salary and that's it. A democratic revolution happened, and the country collapsed. If we were able to break the Soviet empire in this way, supporting a handful of people who were in favor of reform, and those people could be counted on their fingers, who could doubt that we would bring down the Iranian government with the same success! ”

In turn, the director of the CIA in 1993-1995, James Woolsey, said: “Most of us in one way or another participated in the Cold War. You know, I even miss the USSR a little: he was so vulnerable to what we did so well before and to what we still do today! ”

Michael Ledin re-enters: “Of course, we must support the revolution. It is very difficult to find a revolution that would be possible without outside support. The velvet revolutions were successful only because we supported them morally, politically, and financially. ”

At the same time, the US ambassador to the UN in 2005-2006, John Bolton, said that the United States "has the right to defend itself by all available means, including regime change in other states, if necessary, if there is such a threat."

Bolton himself was commented on by the famous philosopher, publicist, linguist and political scientist Noam Chomsky (Chomsky), a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: “Bolton speaks honestly and openly. He is a gangster and not shy about it. We are a superpower, and we will sweep away everyone who comes in our way. What is there to hide?

A CIA officer in 1957-1968, Philip Agee, said: “The collapse of the USSR and the Eastern bloc had many internal causes, but for years the CIA has grown internal movements to undermine the social bloc. The instability they created there in the 90s was used by the United States to encircle Russia with military bases. Because they understand: Russia is still the only country that can destroy the United States. ”

Further economist William Engdal speaks: “The ultimate goal, and the British scientist McKinder talked about this, in historical, economic competition, the main prize in this game is Russia. And whatever the United States claims, Russia today is the number one goal for American politics. Missiles in Europe are needed only for one thing: to gain strategic superiority, the possibility of receiving a first strike on Russia, the only country in the world that can wipe the United States off the face of the Earth. ”

Again, Phillip Agee: “Under Putin, the situation in Russia has changed. And I feel that in the United States and in Europe there is growing concern about the revival of a great power that has natural resources. I want to say it in Russian: do not be naive! The CIA is a tool used against Russia to stop it. ”
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  1. Vanek
    +11
    21 September 2012
    About the respondents from the article:

    - The tsarina gave birth on the night ............... from the top of her son from the bottom daughter.

    Well, that’s, they’re more gay. And in Russian gblthfcns.

    Hello to everyone.
    1. +14
      21 September 2012
      Quote: Vanek
      About the respondents from the article:

      About them. These beautiful birds (hoopoes, roosters) flaunting in front of themselves might not even say that in our country those who studied at least two knew it this way, dissidents have always been and will be for the most part these are small, vengeful, offended at the everyday level whose resentment is cultivated within these individuals and grows very often to the extent of betrayal. And the euphoria of the USA is ridiculous, everything doesn’t work out for them, it seems that Russia is still a bit at its feet, but it doesn’t work out, Russia has not become a floor mat.
      1. +7
        21 September 2012
        Good afternoon Jura, the same academician Sakhkhov three times a hero, was recruited by his wife of unknown origin by the name of Bonaire.
        1. Kaa
          +1
          21 September 2012
          Quote: valokordin
          was recruited by his wife of unknown origin by the name of Bonaire.

          Why is it incomprehensible, also to me, with Newton’s binomial ...
        2. +4
          21 September 2012
          Quote: valokordin
          the same academician Sakhkhov, three times a hero, was recruited by his wife of unknown origin by the name of Bonaire.

          And good afternoon to you, Sakharov also evoked a dual attitude towards him, with that intelligence, the mentality of the tradesman, who suddenly saw in himself that something was huge that caught his eye on reality, imagining himself a guru, and resentful to everyone that he did not understand , pity evoked for himself, his life at the expense of respect for past merits. You don’t need to recruit such a person, he’s ready anyway, such with his verbiage about which everyone knows and knew worse than the enemy’s troops, because often many people trust these people.
        3. +6
          21 September 2012
          valokordin,

          This Vladimir is called the Institute of Jewish Wives, crafted for centuries.
      2. +2
        21 September 2012
        Yura.
        Do not forget to put a picture, picture !!!!!!!!!!!!! soldier
      3. wax
        0
        21 September 2012
        But they were very close to complete collapse, and Russia too. The deadline for default did not dock with the bill on concessions. They said, without hiding, that now Russia would not break out and everyone would be sucked out of it (high-ranking Russians, including having behind-the-scenes conversations, spoke about this). And some of our former leading oligarchs enthusiastically and publicly said that Russia will end and never rise.
  2. -4
    21 September 2012
    Congratulations to the author of the discovery. He accomplished the great - discovered America.
    Now the discussion will begin: "Here! We told you! This is all the United States! We will crush the swamp orangeism! Shame on the women of the State Department!"
    One might think that the USSR did not finance party coms around the world, including in the United States. Or the idea of ​​a world revolution did not exist.
    Just for some reason, their methods were effective. and ours are not very. Is it because it is customary for them to take into account the opinions and moods of the population, while we have snobbery and the arrogant attitude of the authorities towards those who disagree?
    1. +6
      21 September 2012
      The main goal of the Amers is the destruction of Russia has not been achieved, and will not be achieved, we will not allow, we have already been taught. Now they have in their allies not only marsh dissidents, but also our treacherous elite, which keeps their stolen goods and connects their future and the future of families with the West. That's who even does not need to pay a salary, you can always grab for .. you can grab.
      1. +1
        21 September 2012
        Sergey, you are 100% right
    2. -2
      21 September 2012
      That's right, there are always those who want to @ shit, they themselves do not need to mess, at every step. In a country wherever you throw a wedge everywhere, everybody nods to the State Department.
    3. PC-36M
      +2
      21 September 2012
      You are kind of crazy!
      The USSR did not take dissidents to the salary. Unlike the United States.
      The Soviet Union financed the party, the United States financed dissidents.
      The USSR sent its wards to unite countries with the USSR, the United States sent its wards not to unite but to DESTROY the country.
      These are completely different approaches and confuse them and even more so identify up arrogance and stupidity, in its stupidity it is similar to the liberals fashionable slogan Stalin = Hitler.

      Who said that the methods of the USSR destruction of the United States are not effective? there simply weren’t any methods ... but what turned out to be just the same, the USSR was a social state, accordingly, from the mission of dissidents of pro-Soviet people in the United States, the task was not to destroy the United States but to introduce the social aspects of the development of the state, which was quite effectively implemented. It is clear that without the influence of the USSR in the United States there would never have been any insurance, no social benefits, or pensions, because the United States is capitalism and, until 45, it is generally harsh animal capitalism.
      The influence of the USA on the USSR and the USSR on the USA was mutually effective, but the goals of the influences were simply different.

      It is strange that you immediately attributed dissidents of the times of the USSR instantly to orange and swamp, apparently you understand that de facto the leaders of the swamp are the same dissidents that were in the USSR and they receive salaries from the same as their ancestors *
      1. 0
        22 September 2012
        Quote: PC-36M
        Who said that the methods of the USSR destruction of the United States are not effective? there simply weren’t any methods ... but what turned out to be just the same turned out to be effective,

        I will subscribe to almost every word of this commentary. - "It is clear that without the influence of the USSR in the United States there would never have been any insurance, social benefits, or pensions, because the United States is capitalism, and before 45, it is generally tough animal capitalism." - And this applies not only to the United States but also to all countries that subsequently received an increase in social welfare, but at the expense of what ?! In general, it would be good if someone on the site who owns this issue wrote an article on this topic, that is, what prompted the capitalist countries to pay attention to social issues, we know this - FEAR OF REVOLUTIONARY SHOCK, it is enough to read at least HENRY FORD (the inventor of the sweatshop systems and the founder of FORD). And it should also be noted that thanks to the methods and example of the USSR, most of the world's population received liberation from colonial dependence. Damn you can write for a long time but this is a hotel topic.
        1. PC-36M
          0
          22 September 2012
          This is not customary to talk about until capitalism triumphed. The worst thing for a European and American is the truth ... and the truth is terrible for them. They brought up hatred of the USSR, and here once it turns out EVERYTHING, absolutely EVERYTHING that they are so proud of and brag about now, all this was created thanks to the influence of the USSR. They were so well washed and fooled that when they found out the truth their brains would explode, I often communicate with foreigners, ordinary people, if you start telling them the whole truth they’re crazy, but if you slowly and with a separation from their media you see that a person is reborn zombies in a conscious person, this is so cool).
      2. -2
        22 September 2012
        RS-36M
        Hello.
        [quote = PC-36M] You are somehow crazy!
        I don't get it, are you an expert on "normality"? If so, then you are far from the first. "Especially gifted" on the site in abundance.
        [quote = PC-36M] The USSR did not take dissidents to the salary. Unlike the United States.
        The Soviet Union financed the party, the United States financed the dissidents. [/ Quote]
        I probably don’t understand something or I don’t know. Please explain to me how the United States paid salaries to dissidents? Well, for example, academician Sakharov when he was in exile in Nizhny Novgorod closed to foreigners, or Brodsky and Sinyavsky when they were in the zone.
        Or maybe there were not dissidents in the US Communist Party, but wide layers of the proletariat and labor intelligentsia? [quote = PC-36M]
        Who said that the methods of the USSR destruction of the United States are not effective? there simply weren’t any methods ... but what turned out to be just the same turned out to be effective, [/ quote]
        I don’t even know what to answer. It is difficult to find arguments against outright stupidity.
        [quote = PC-36M] The influence of the USA on the USSR and the USSR on the USA was mutually effective, but the goals of the influences were simply different. [/ quote]
        Yes, mutual effectiveness is mutual. We give them insurance, social benefits and pensions, and they give us the collapse of the state. We just had different goals wassat
        [quote = PC-36M] It is strange that you immediately attributed dissidents of the times of the USSR instantly to orange and swamps, apparently you understand that de facto the leaders of the swamps are the same dissidents that were in the USSR and s / n receive from the same as their ancestors * [ / quote] If you have problems with logic, then you should not attribute these problems to your opponent. Please do not post my comments. Do not agree - put a minus. And you don’t need to write anything, there’s enough nonsense
  3. +6
    21 September 2012
    LOOK THIS ROLL TO THE END !!!!


  4. -1
    21 September 2012
    Well, the secret is revealed, but we did not know. laughing
  5. +12
    21 September 2012
    I read the article and remembered the nursery rhyme of the times of the USSR.
    To the children of the country by setting an example,
    An intellectual trampled by a pioneer.
    Children's sandal hit
    pince -
    Death to dissidents in
    Soviet country.

    Everyone understood everything, but still did not take into account something. Or simply EVIL temporarily defeated GOOD.
    1. wax
      +2
      21 September 2012
      There are many sadistic poems, there are for all occasions, but what can be proved with them:
      Mom brings the bullseye to the boy.
      Everyone asks to try a bullseye ...
      In the evening, the flags were lowered in the camp:
      Fun third squad buried

      The boy behind the forest found a mortar ...
      No one else lives in the village.

      The little boy found dioxin,
      Dad dripped into some kind of decanter,
      I give birth to dad twisted at the moment
      He is now president of Ukraine!
  6. s1н7т
    -4
    21 September 2012
    The article is empty. Now, if the names were announced, I would have laughed! laughing
    1. Kaa
      0
      21 September 2012
      Quote: c1n7
      Now, if the names were announced, I would have laughed!

      And someone would have picked up an AK or an RPG ... Not all dissidents ... perestroika killed, rather the opposite.
  7. +2
    21 September 2012
    Say a hundred times halva ...
    Everyone knows what the United States wants, everyone knows what the relationship is between nuclear super players. You just have to be prepared for the fact that at any moment the cold phase of the confrontation can go hot.
    So new missiles, tanks, planes, ships, assault rifles are very necessary. But first of all - a trained army, and this is just a big headache.
    1. 0
      21 September 2012
      The article, it seems to me, is custom-made, against the current government, but it itself gives rise to this. It is interesting to live up to the publication of information on how much was paid for the destruction of the country, Gorbachev, a member of the Politburo ideologist, academician and Harvard student forgot his name, Yeltsin and his family, young reformers, members of their government, Soviet dissidents: Sakharov, Novodvorskaya, it is especially interesting how she supports her beloved parody Galkin. How much did the dissidents who left for Israel pay? There were many dollars, but not so. Victory came with little blood. If the regime had reacted harshly to aggression from the West, the collapse of the USSR would not have happened.
  8. Ataturk
    -6
    21 September 2012
    The video showed how openly they said, so we raped the Soviet Union, why not Iran? We are pros in this. And after these words, when I see here
    it





    and they, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Putin, they all know perfectly whose ears stick out and after that talk to them like that, play along with them, well, I don’t know, I don’t understand this.

    By God, they shouldn’t hold out a hand, but do not care in the face !!!
    1. +7
      21 September 2012
      Quote: Ataturk
      By God, they shouldn’t hold out a hand, but do not care in the face !!!

      It is necessary to communicate with "politеcatfish ",
      And they shake hands with Obama,
      In the soul they send through the forest,
      Go to fuck .. oh, to mom.
      1. Ataturk
        +7
        21 September 2012
        Quote: tan0472
        It is necessary to communicate with "polites",
        And they shake hands with Obama,
        In the soul they send through the forest,
        Go to fuck .. oh, to mom.


        LOOK AND MOOD FOR ALL DAY SECURED !!!

    2. +3
      21 September 2012
      Ataturk, they also write to you, dear, but they would gladly crush it. This is called politics. You are singing praises to many here, and bile is pouring through Russia through your teeth. That is life. You can’t just fight (although you want to). Better a bad world than a good war.
      1. Ataturk
        -1
        21 September 2012
        Quote: kush62
        You are singing praises to many here, and bile is pouring through Russia through your teeth.


        Did I ever hide my antipathy towards the Kremlin?
        No. So do not write bile or drool.

        Quote: kush62
        Ataturk, they also write to you, dear, but they would gladly crush it.


        Believe me, many have tried. Chechens, Armenians, even Abkhazians. You see how healthy. Only I know perfectly well those who write respected without and with quotes.
        Do you really think that I do not recognize hypocrites? Yes bully
        1. +5
          21 September 2012
          Ataturk Your spitting on the hero-pilot of Russia or the president of Russia is a direct insult to the Russians, most of whom voted for Putin. I noticed more than once none of us spit on your Aliyev, who met with honor not a warrior, but a murderer. And if we spit 100 million people, you will flow around for a long time.
          1. Ataturk
            -2
            21 September 2012
            Quote: kush62
            Ataturk Your spitting on the Russian hero pilot and then on the Russian president is a direct insult to Russians


            Do not lie to me. I never insult people. Never. So do not drive. And I said about the pilot because those Georgians whom he bombed at one time with his grandfather and your grandfather defended a common country. And that’s it !!! If you like the power of Russia, then for God's sake. The flag of the party of United Russia is in your hands.

            Do you speak for Putin? So voted?



            Quote: kush62
            I noticed more than once none of us spit on your Aliyev

            Come on? Show me how you scolded Aliyev? As they wrote that it is time to expel all of Russia. Forgot? So don’t make a sacrifice of yourself. As soon as I defend my interests and write something bad about Iran, which became Russia's alleged ally, when only 25 years ago, in the Persian Gulf, your sailors were hunted together with the Americans. Forgot? In the 80s, those Iranians who wanted your death, who tried to attack you, now became brothers. LIVING is called.

            Azerbaijan, which helped as much as it could, shared wealth, never fought with Russia, now it has become an enemy, a guest worker, black ... oh, azerbots as you called us? But not once did one of you remember what they were doing. You even said nothing when they gave you to the international court. So you want to keep friends? Therefore, only enemies surround you. It may not be all bad and your government is fluffy .. DO NOT OPEN MY MOUTH.

            Quote: kush62
            And if we spit 100 million people, you will flow around for a long time.

            Oh come on, still say that you love and respect us. You don’t send dormant weapons to our enemies, do you support for the sovereignty of our country? Do you allow us to build what we want? .......... listen, it’s not a market trader talking to you. DO NOT CONFUSE!!!! I know everything!!!
            1. +4
              21 September 2012
              Yes, they are now our bros, because against amers. I have nothing against your insult for national insult. I have more than 20 nationalities only in my close relatives, since I am from a large family and not a nationalist. Well, in the statements you need to be adequate, count to 100 and write. It is clear that you are a hot Baku lad. Our grandfathers may have fought together, mine was a machine gunner. Well, if you are arguing against, then you will receive, like these Georgians. (My brother-in-law is Georgians by the way) Something they did not remember about our grandfathers when they killed our peacekeepers. We are not fighting against Georgians, Azerbaijanis. Chechens, etc., and against enemies. But they do not have a nationality. What difference does it make to you who is stabbed by an Azerbaijani or an Armenian. Or if a fellow tribesman, will it be more pleasant?
              1. Ataturk
                0
                21 September 2012
                Quote: kush62
                Well, if you are arguing against, then you will receive, like these Georgians.


                Where are you going? Where is it going? Keep your threats to yourself.
                1. -1
                  22 September 2012
                  These are not threats, but warnings to very hot heads.
                  1. Ataturk
                    +1
                    22 September 2012
                    Quote: kush62
                    and warnings are very hot for heads.


                    Then listen carefully! To me and my people, your warning is somehow violet. You, in my opinion, have confused us with Georgia.
                    Do you think from Azerbaijan to make the 2nd Armenia? Outpost? :)
                    Do not make me laugh. With people like you, to be friends is not to respect yourself !!! But they are afraid of people like you, so it’s not worth living! So leave your threats or warnings to Georgia, Chechnya, Armenia and so on. If you think that we will become an outpost. and don’t even dream!

                    What hello will be, you will receive such an answer !!! So keep your warnings to yourself, or send this message to other recipients.
  9. +11
    21 September 2012
    People who are able to think sensibly can very well distinguish the left-hand text, although conspiracy to the truth, I propose to also unite in groups in social networks in support of GDP
  10. +6
    21 September 2012
    The fact that they destroyed the USSR is a fact ...
    Will they be able to ruin Russia ??? I hope not .... BUT we have pain points that they know and we need to fight with them ...
    1. The federal structure and the presence of republics and autonomies formed on a national basis ...
    2. The Caucasus is a permanent hotbed of instability whose population is more likely to live separately from Russia than with it, at least Chechnya and Dagestan, but also Ingushetia is not far ....
    3. The presence of the fifth (dissident) column in Russia and the "soft" attitude towards it on the part of the leadership.
    4. Discrimination by the Center of the outskirts and, as a result, the discontent of the regions with the Center.
    5. Extremely high pressure on the social and social superiority of the West, and as a result, the presence of a fairly large part of society, which believes "what is worse here than theirs" and as a consequence, under certain circumstances, can help Western "agents of influence."

    In fact, the Russian Federation is the USSR in miniature ....... with all its problems ..... the only hope in this case is that the current president is not Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and that in general people still survived the tragedy of the collapse of the USSR became smarter.

    But the presidents come and go ... who will be after Putin is a question, therefore it is necessary to eliminate the above problems as soon as possible ..... so that all the seeds of the cunning of the West do not fall on fertile soil ...
    1. Kaa
      0
      21 September 2012
      Quote: volkan

      4. Discrimination by the Center of the outskirts and, as a result, the discontent of the regions with the Center.
      5. Extremely high pressure on the socio-social superiority of the West,

      On these points I can not agree, discrimination of the outskirts. and what kind of shisha, not from the Center, in the same Caucasus, in some places, skyscrapers grow and football teams pay visiting celebrities not childishly, for the entertainment of the "outskirts" population? But there is still pressure, but not from the West, but from the "skorobatikov" from the 90s now and their offspring, in other words. colossal material stratification of society. People of Bentley and Ferrari see not on TV, but on their own street, mansions not in Beverly Hills, but on Rublyovka. There is no need for any propaganda of the "Western" way of life ... your "glamor has grown" and agitates ... anger ... against everyone and everything.
      1. 0
        21 September 2012
        Kaa,

        I do not mean the republic .. with them, this is the case ... I mean the area.
        1. Kaa
          0
          22 September 2012
          Quote: volkan
          . I mean the area.

          Now I understand. I agree, the remark is removed, as stupid.
          I admit my guilt
          Meru degree. depth
          And ask me to send
          For the coming war. -Fedot Sagittarius. soldier
      2. PC-36M
        +1
        21 September 2012
        4. The federal budget is filled out of 10 on average Russian donor regions; this is 1/8 or 1/9 of all regions.
        At the same time, up to 80% of budget revenue is collected from 2 regional leaders, the Novgorod region (if not confusing memory) and the Republic of Tatarstan.
        These regions send up to 80% of their budget revenues to Moscow, the remaining 20% ​​are spent on the development of their region, on social payments and pensions, and so on.

        So, if you did not know, I report that the lion's share of the regions of the Russian Federation is scarce, they spend more than they earn, they have no money and they live off other regions.
        Of the huge amount that Moscow receives from different regions, only 50% goes back to different regions to develop the country, the remaining 50% settles in Moscow, typically for the development of Moscow. So DE FACT! The main subsidized region of Russia is Moscow. From here they write to you about discrimination at the center of other regions. By the way, a huge salary in Moscow is precisely for this reason, because there is a lot of money settling there and, accordingly, money is relatively cheaper in accordance with economic laws and the salary is growing in nominal value. Therefore, the exact same work done in Moscow is paid 3-5 times more than in another region of the country; therefore, you have problems with guest workers, and this is not a problem for foreigners, it is the problem of the Moskvechev and Moscow itself is to blame for this migration tension.

        Now a more difficult question. Taxes. Most of the taxes go through Moscow because there are the main centers of many companies in the country, but this does not mean that Moscow has earned this money! on the contrary, the whole country has earned but Moscow uses it))) well, that's how the world works) After all, what does Moscow produce itself?) everything important and necessary for the country, all large enterprises are vitally important, all of them are NOT in Moscow.
        The real value of the region can be estimated something like this - isolate the region and see what happens ... isolate Moscow from other regions ... Moscow will become the poorest region.
    2. 0
      21 September 2012
      Quote: volkan
      volkan (2)

      You indicated everything correctly, only nothing is done to eliminate this.
    3. wax
      -1
      21 September 2012
      Judah and Brutus are the most destructive. No wonder the Second World War did not have a fifth column.
  11. 0
    21 September 2012
    They even miss the USSR. Reptiles ... Reevaluate yourself
  12. +1
    21 September 2012
    IMHO. Once a hundred years ago, England and other Anglo-Saxons relied on Lenin and Co. He, being a patriot of Russia, pretended to be seduced by the English requirements, and when he came to power in British pounds, he simply threw the little shavers. He collected parts of the Russian Empire in the USSR and thereby rehabilitated himself. His work was continued by I.V. Stalin, whom the shaved and destroyed along with his successor Beria L.P. and the Soviet army reduced to a dejected state.
    GDP has become the successor of EBN, the worthless and inept leader of the Pindos protege. Most likely, the GDP was put in power for the final collapse of Russia, but the Anglo-Saxons miscalculated again, Putin turned out to be corrupt, but at some point he got out of the influence of the Pindos and led an independent policy to gather a ONE and POWERFUL state. Hence the hatred and December 2011 - March 2012 and Internet obsers, etc., etc. Putin is not pleasing to the West and they are trying to throw him off, but ...
    With GDP, Russia is moving in the right direction, and the swampy people are the fifth column, some on a low mind, and some purposefully ...
    1. +3
      21 September 2012
      Well, to call Lenin a Russian patriot is too much, although I agree with the rest.
      Amer, collapsed, the USSR sat waiting for Russia to fall apart, but it didn’t work out.
      Even 10 years ago it was necessary to remove all that undermined the country, with the money of the West, organizations.
      1. +2
        21 September 2012
        Here you can argue, I recently hated it with all the fibers, but then ...
        In 1917, Ilyich realized what he had done, and did as the patriot should have done, starting and finishing collecting all Russian lands by 1922, and then I.V. continued his work. Stalin, and succeeded in this ... By the way, English intelligence is behind all the attempts on Lenin, they themselves recognized this ...
    2. +1
      21 September 2012
      There are not only marshes, but very friendly ones from the former. Now they’ve split off, but they have already gotten the tips, the righteous.
    3. 0
      21 September 2012
      I with this dude agree 100% laughing
  13. 0
    21 September 2012
    Amer in vain boast of the main reason for the loss of the USSR internal betrayal of the upper ranks, they are not the main pianists in this opera. And dissidents generally feel like the cinema apparatus cultivated them and the KGB reproached them and directed them to their undercover games. Why our elite decided to surrender remains to be seen.
    1. 0
      21 September 2012
      Quote: apro
      Why our elite decided to surrender remains to be seen.

      - Yes, we have already found out ... As a personal acquaintance with some former Kazakhstani party bosses, about whom “other officials” said in the news that not to list their names, I can explain - by that time, both the people and the bosses did not believe in the building of communism, and therefore these bonzes already had the mood "why play these stupid ideological games, you need to allow private property and share this nobody's wealth among themselves and continue to live!" Nothing no one thought to give up, did not think that the amer would wrap it up like that. What in general - on the last thread about the dictatorship, I tried to say - if you retreated ideologically - you lost. We just thought that we would change the rules of the economic game to more interesting ones, but in the East everything will remain the same + once private property has been recognized, the West will cease to consider us an enemy and lag behind us, go about its business, the arms race will stop, live and rejoice tidied up property and friendship with the West. That's what we thought, but it turned out as always.
  14. Che
    Che
    +2
    21 September 2012
    Again, Phillip Agee: “Under Putin, the situation in Russia has changed. And I feel that in the United States and in Europe there is growing concern about the revival of a great power that has natural resources. I want to say it in Russian: do not be naive! The CIA is a tool used against Russia to stop it. ”

    Do not flatter yourself, the confrontation continues for centuries. It’s not Russia’s fault. The Anglo-Saxons themselves will die, but they will also pull half the world. This is not human civilization, like aliens.
    1. 0
      21 September 2012
      This is not a human civilization like aliens

      Rather, it is not human, and aliens do not mean that it is bad.
    2. 0
      28 September 2012
      Quote: Che
      At the same time, the US ambassador to the UN in 2005-2006, John Bolton, said that the United States "has the right to defend itself by all available means, including regime change in other states, if necessary, if there is such a threat."

      They themselves admit it.
  15. +4
    21 September 2012
    Quote-In particular, US Foreign Policy Specialist Michael Ledin says: “Who under Reagan thought we would break the USSR? But some 8 years have passed! We just took the dissidents for the salary and that’s it. A democratic revolution happened and the country collapsed. If we were able to break the Soviet empire in this way, supporting a handful of people who supported reform, and you could count these people on the fingers, who can doubt that we will collapse the Iranian government with the same success! ”

    After these words, it is not surprising that there are such "specialists" in the United States. This special is simply disingenuous and simplifies the situation with the USSR.


    Quote-Michael Michael Ledin re-enters: “Of course, we must support the revolution. It is very difficult to find a revolution that would be possible without external support. The velvet revolutions were successful only because we supported them morally, politically, financially. ”

    Perhaps with a phrase Michael would agree.

    Quote-At the same time, the US ambassador to the UN in 2005-2006, John Bolton said that the United States "have the right to defend themselves by all means available, including regime change in other states, if necessary, if there is such a threat."

    and John was apparently dropped as a child.


    Quotation-Bolton himself commented on the famous philosopher, publicist, linguist and political scientist Noam Chomsky (Chomsky), professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: “Bolton speaks honestly and openly. He is a gangster and is not shy about it. We are a superpower, and we will sweep away everyone who gets in our way. What is there to hide? ”

    Well, Mr. Noam generally outdid everyone, apparently kept himself in for a long time and could not stand it, just like in a confession. The truth was not to be corrected by a superpower, but by a super gangster state.

    Quote-CIA Officer in 1957-1968 Philip Agee says: “At the collapse of the USSR and the eastern bloc there were many internal reasons but the CIA has been growing internal movements for years to undermine the social block. The instability that they created there in the 90 years, the United States used to encircle Russia with military bases. Because they understand: Russia is still the only country that can destroy the United States. ”

    Philip had a cold and sober look, not in vain kept in the CIA.

    Quotation-Further, the economist William Engdahl speaks: “The ultimate goal, and the British scientist Mackinder spoke about this in a historical, economic competition, the main prize in this game is Russia. And no matter what the United States claims Russia today is the number one goal for American politics. Missiles in Europe are needed only for one thing: to gain strategic superiority, the ability to receive the first strike against Russia, the only country in the world that can wipe the United States from the face of the Earth.

    Again Philip Agee: “Under Putin, the situation in Russia has changed. And I feel that Concern over Great Power Revival Rises in US and Europethat has natural resources. I want to say this to the Russians: don't be naive! The CIA is a tool used against Russia to stop it. ”

    We William Engdahl and Philip Agee swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Amen !!!
  16. Brother Sarych
    +2
    21 September 2012
    Nonsense all this! No CIA will do anything if there is no group of people who are ready to destroy their country SAMA - and we have always had enough of these volunteers if the garden is poorly weed ...
    1. wax
      +1
      21 September 2012
      There are enough of them everywhere, where weeping is bad, there is trouble.
  17. Gorchakov
    +2
    21 September 2012
    What is indicated in this article, almost everything is true and our special services are not news ... The fact that the USSR fell from the efforts of the CIA is also no secret ... The fact that the CIA, with the hands of Gorbachev and Bakatin, destroyed the counterbalance of this organization - the KGB .., is also absolutely true. The fact that the CIA is still muddying the waters around the world is not clear only to people far from all this ... But the fact that the CIA does not obey the President of the United States, but fulfills the recommendations of its creators, one of whom is Rockefeller and For some reason, they don't write about this and don't discuss it anywhere ... I remember how Kennedy wanted to reassign the CIA and .... no Kennedy ... !!! The CIA and its "daughters" around the world are implementing the policy of those forces that stand above all the presidents of Western countries and over the vassal countries of these countries ... In short, the CIA is the strength and power of the oil business, and this force will not rest until those until the whole world is under her control. For this organization, Russia is enemy number 1 and the battle for it will continue .. It's all clear. In this article, I am surprised by the interviews of the CIA officers ... As you know, there are no former members of this organization, and they can blather in the press only with the permission of their leadership, pursuing some goals ... What?
  18. -2
    21 September 2012
    Give your stools! wink
    The country was bad and weak in the 80s, if its elite was capable of betrayal, and the society could not fix this betrayal.
    Che blame others? They themselves are to blame, as children were foolish.
    1. MI-AS-72
      +1
      21 September 2012
      And in 1917, also "shitty and weak", as in 1991, and maybe it's all simpler what kind of people and the elite, without our indifference and cowardice not a single abomination occurs in the country, so Russia is also in danger.
  19. +1
    21 September 2012
    “Under Putin, the situation in Russia has changed. And I feel that in the US and Europe, there is growing concern about the revival of a great power that has natural resources.


    To the attention of Putinophobes - the ENEMY said.
    1. mind1954
      -1
      22 September 2012
      Lord! Well, what other "putinophobes"? Don't you think that this
      too much honor for him ?! Yes, who is he, this puppet ???!
  20. +1
    21 September 2012
    Quote: Attention Putinophobia-said the ENEMY.

    Enemies are also sometimes forced to recognize the realities of life.
  21. -1
    21 September 2012
    truth is not new, but it does not cease to be truth from this. America as a state is unique - it has grown into a state of private firms and corporations and now imposes this system on countries with a rich state history and culture. Example Pinkerton Agency -> ZAO Police. IMHO.
  22. 0
    21 September 2012
    Everything is very simple, bought a cheap show-off! Systematically, gradually we were led to the fact that the USSR was not viable (some 70-year cycles, etc.). And I know for sure that the work on hunting and the collapse of the country was carried out from behind a hill. But they were waiting for something. What ???
  23. mind1954
    -1
    22 September 2012
    Yes, all this is semi-official "bullshit"!

    In 1964, the protégé of the AXA L.I. Brezhnev
    for observance of party entourage and camouflage
    Suslov.
    In 1967 removed from KGB nominee Partapparat
    Sevenfold and put in a protégé of the AXA Andropov.
    In 1969 finally removed from everywhere nominees
    Partapparat: Shelepin from the trade unions, someone
    from television, Yegorychev with MGK, etc.
    .
    Apparently there was a bargain. Brezhnev sent to Andropov
    his man, Tsvigun, in order for the KGB at will
    AXA did not concoct an operation to displace it,
    and Andropov AXA instructed to keep an eye on the Central Committee of the CPSU and
    party apparatus so that the real one could not appear there
    leader and there was no desire to regain power
    Partapparat over AXA in the ruling class!

    And Andropov was instructed to establish ties with the West
    for joint preparation for the counter-revolutionary
    coup in the USSR for the restoration of capitalism!
    Apparently, Yakovlev was sent as ambassador to Canada for this.
    Where he spent 12 years, you need to understand the contact person, next
    from the USA, but not in sight! Extremely convenient!

    After that, full-blown unfolded
    "Zionist and dissident" games between players,
    on both sides of the "iron curtain",
    playing along to each other !!!
    Which began with the introduction of troops into Czechoslovakia,
    Jackson-Wenig amendments,
    and ended with the introduction of troops into Afghanistan,
    shot down by BOEINGS, flight of Rust, GKChP!

    In 1993. everything was already organized by the "fifth column" under
    sensitive leadership of TransNational Capital!

    This is my opinion, based on observations and analysis,
    that we were taught, although they always said:
    "no need to generalize, no need to generalize ..." ?? !!
  24. 0
    22 September 2012
    They didn’t learn anything new. Actually a good article. The main thing now is for Putin to resist and not start cutting the defense budget. And they will push him to this from many sides. It is possible that the oil price will drop after the election.

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