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In the Russian Ministry of Defense, Turkish Bayraktar drones were called an "easy target" for the Pantsir air defense missile system

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Turkey's Bayraktar drones, which Ukraine is so proud of, are an easy target for Russian anti-aircraft systems. This was reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense.


The question about Turkish drones was asked to the deputy chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Yuri Muravkin. Commenting on rumors about the "invulnerability" of the UAV Bayraktar program Vesti Nedeli with Dmitry Kiselyov, he called them a very easy target for Russian anti-aircraft systems such as Pantsir. According to Muravkin, the Turkish drone has high-speed and mass-dimensional characteristics that make it an affordable target.

This is a very light target, very tasty for "Armor"

- he said, adding that even a calculation prepared for "satisfactory" can bring down Bayraktar.


The colonel also answered the question about the defeat of the Russian "Pantsir" air defense missile systems by Turkish drones. According to him, there really were such cases, but not in the number, as stated by the Turkish press. Mostly complexes that were not in combat mode or without a crew were hit. Such air defense missile systems, which are in service with the armies of Syria and Libya, Muravkin called "range targets" for Turkish drones.

(...) If there is no calculation in "Pantsir", if the calculation is on the street, if "Pantsir" is not in combat mode, then this is just a polygon target for training Bayraktar calculations

- added the colonel.

Recall that a new Pantsir-SM anti-aircraft missile-gun system has been developed for the Russian army, in which all the shortcomings inherent in the base model have been corrected. Unlike the Pantsir-S air defense missile system already in service, the new complex was armed with a missile with an increased speed (up to Mach 5 against 1300 m / s of the Pantsir-S missile 57E6E). In addition, Pantsir-SM received a new multifunctional sighting station with an active phased antenna array, allowing it to "see" targets at a distance of up to 75 km. The aiming range of the new complex has been increased to 40 km. The complex is capable of recognizing and striking all types of unmanned aerial vehicles.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 20 December 2021 09: 32
    +10
    This is a very light target, very tasty for "Armor"
    Well, the goal for Shell is really training!
    1. Alexander Ivanov_11
      Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 09: 46
      0
      Duck, and no one doubted this, if we know how to shoot down American Stealth, then some kind of Turkish drone is unambiguous.
      1. Alexander Ivanov_11
        Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 11: 23
        +1
        All Turkey is minus, Russia wake up.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 December 2021 11: 47
          +14
          Quote: Alexander Ivanov_11
          All Turkey is minus, Russia wake up.

          Quote: Alexander Ivanov_11
          All Israel is minus, Russia wake up.


          Turkey is not Turkey, Israel is not Israel, but representatives of the "skipping-pop" tribe are furiously raging yes
          They want to win the whole war with a dozen and a half Bayraktars, but here is such a disappointment
        2. mitrich
          mitrich 20 December 2021 19: 31
          +3
          Do you have a pre-infarction from the minuses?
      2. Karos
        Karos 20 December 2021 14: 52
        0
        What kind of post is this and the reaction, 1 on 1 of course the Shell can destroy, but there are many factors, ranging from combat readiness and ending with the distance from each other ... and send there 100 false targets that cost a couple of thousand bucks and 2-3 real bayraktar who will definitely reach the target. In general, such nonsense could have been uttered either by an amateur or simply by military agitation .... Take the example of the Karabakh war, how false targets opened positions, and already behind them, the combat drones were destroyed. Now 1 on 1 no one is fighting ...
        It is necessary to change the strategy of the war, and not to suffer agitation.
        1. Alexandr bogun
          Alexandr bogun 21 December 2021 00: 20
          0
          Everything would be good if people came here in order to get real information, and so it is clear that the main thing is to write that we are the best of the best. And then we don’t know what to do and how to react when these Bayraktars burn equipment, including air defense, to Armenia or Ukraine, and they also shoot them on camera. I think this is how ours feel calmer when we say to each other that they have nothing, and if there is something useless rubbish.
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      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 20 December 2021 13: 09
        +3
        What is this 7-17 disgrace? A 10-hour working day lasting 9 hours minus lunch. This is the merciless exploitation where the trade unions are looking!
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 21 December 2021 13: 46
          +3
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          What is this 7-17 disgrace? A 10-hour working day lasting 9 hours minus lunch. This is the merciless exploitation where the trade unions are looking!

          Namely, according to an agreement with the trade unions, they are paid this overtime hour not in the usual amount of 125%, but immediately in an increased amount - 225%. Thus, the wages of even low-skilled workers are rising quite sensitively. Accordingly, the person will receive a daily increase of NIS 65,22.
          With 5300 minimum wages, getting another 1441 shekels for just one daily hour of work is quite decent. This is an additional 33 rubles for your money.

          5300 = 123 900 rubhi
      2. Vlad Baryatinsky
        Vlad Baryatinsky 20 December 2021 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        URGENT! EMPLOYEES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE UNMANNED PLANT! 7-17
        FOR CITIZENS ONLY!
        CENTER OF THE COUNTRY!
        TRANSPORTATION OF THE BOATS
        050 – 5807776

        Maz!
        Do not shoot "agents".
      3. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 December 2021 13: 36
        +2
        That's why I love Russian patriots with Israeli citizenship!
  2. just exp
    just exp 20 December 2021 09: 32
    -21
    in Moscow region, when did you hear the word (more precisely, the name) Libya?
    does it not tell them anything?
    I am aware that several dozen bayraktar were released there, but more than one piece of armor was burned.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 20 December 2021 09: 46
      -32
      After such interviews, disbelief in the words of officials is born. The shells, including, were destroyed and in a fully operational state, at 1:50 minutes of the video it is generally clear that there are attempts to shoot down an Israeli missile.
      1. just exp
        just exp 20 December 2021 09: 59
        +12
        here it is worth noting that in Syria, the shells were beaten with artillery which drones were aiming from afar
        Israel destroyed several shells, but there emnip or crews shot off the BC and sat nearby or fired a volley and he could not shoot down everything.
        although no one denies that on the first Pantsiri they had problems working with the UAV, they did not react too slow targets and there was still something, then ours drove to Khmeimi Torah.
        but now those jambs have been fixed.
        1. LZ50
          LZ50 20 December 2021 13: 30
          +5
          here it is worth noting that in Syria, the shells were beaten with artillery which drones were aiming from afar
          it is worth asking what the hell did the Shells do in the artillery kill zone? what clever guy defined the Pantsiryam this place in the battle formations, the complex is not a military one.
          Israel destroyed several shells, but there emnip or crews shot off the BC and sat nearby or fired a volley and he could not shoot down everything.
          and how it all resonates with your previous comment about Libya
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 20 December 2021 14: 02
          +4
          Israel destroyed several shells, but there emnip or crews shot off the BC and sat nearby or fired a volley and he could not shoot down everything.
          This directly demonstrates that:
          1. The effectiveness of air defense is greatly enhanced by separation.
          2. Requires multiple reservation of positions for both ammunition and launchers. To make it more difficult for the attacker to overload a single position.
      2. Alexander Ivanov_11
        Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 10: 00
        +3
        And that this great Israeli rocket was made in another Galaxy and is very different from ours in characteristics and therefore it is invulnerable?
        1. Alexander Ivanov_11
          Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 11: 22
          0
          All Israel is minus, Russia wake up.
          1. Vlad Baryatinsky
            Vlad Baryatinsky 20 December 2021 12: 45
            +4
            Sasha, it would not hurt to heal your nerves.
            1. Alexander Ivanov_11
              Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 13: 17
              -1
              Vladik, unlike you, I feel sorry for the State ...
              1. Vlad Baryatinsky
                Vlad Baryatinsky 20 December 2021 13: 33
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Ivanov_11
                Vladik, unlike you, I feel sorry for the State.

                ...no problem!
                Just explain. What has Israel, "-", "Power" and "offense".
                PS
                Actually, Vladimir.
                And so, "don't worry."
                1. Alexander Ivanov_11
                  Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 15: 06
                  +2
                  Unfortunately, you will never understand this, Vladimir, do not worry.
                  1. Vlad Baryatinsky
                    Vlad Baryatinsky 20 December 2021 17: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Ivanov_11
                    Unfortunately, you will never understand this Vladimir

                    You will enlighten, do not shy away from "mortals".
          2. lot
            lot 20 December 2021 19: 42
            -1
            Come on, .. "we will throw shells"
      3. sivuch
        sivuch 20 December 2021 10: 05
        +12
        If you haven't noticed - Muravkin spoke specifically about Bayraktars. When he says the same about Harop and other Harpies, then there will be grounds for mistrust.
      4. VORON538
        VORON538 20 December 2021 10: 06
        +24
        And what is your "blacid" eye doing there? This video was made specifically to raise the morale of your "soldiers of the world" :)))? Like, "Well, the Turks will give us a wunderwaffe, and now we will definitely defeat Moscow": )))? For each of your clever dupa in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there is a bolt with the correct thread :)))
      5. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 December 2021 10: 15
        +1
        What did he say? I don’t see the phrase that everyone has completely worked out that way. Basically it means most) But not all.
      6. Barberry25
        Barberry25 20 December 2021 10: 21
        +6
        Well, if you launch 20 missiles on 1 air defense missile system, then why not?
      7. Fungus
        Fungus 20 December 2021 10: 23
        +2
        It all depends on the operators of the Shells. There is a video of the Libyans sitting in the Shell and catching a target for two minutes. Naturally, they will be destroyed 10 times in these two minutes. So it's the operators.
      8. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 20 December 2021 11: 06
        +1
        And you yourself do not see the difference between a propeller-driven UAV and a rocket? Did you have any doubts about the preparation level of the calculation?
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 December 2021 09: 47
      +8
      Quote: just explo
      in Moscow region, when did you hear the word (more precisely, the name) Libya?
      does it not tell them anything?

      How did they get there? Do you also know?
      who prepared the calculations?
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 20 December 2021 09: 55
        -19
        Quote: Flood
        How did they get there? Do you also know?
        who prepared the calculations?

        That is, you want to say that the calculations of the Pantsir air defense missile system in Libya were prepared for "unsatisfactory"?
        All these defeats in Syria and Libya played negatively on the image of the ZRPK
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 December 2021 10: 03
          +10
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          That is, you want to say that the calculations of the Pantsir air defense missile system in Libya were prepared for "unsatisfactory"?

          How could they have been prepared satisfactorily if the Russian Federation did not supply these complexes to Libya?
          1. venik
            venik 20 December 2021 12: 19
            +10
            Quote: Flood
            How could they have been prepared satisfactorily if the Russian Federation did not supply these complexes to Libya?

            =========
            The very first version of "Armor" and local (Libyan) calculations were delivered there from the Emirates. It turned out such a second "derivative": ours trained the Arabs, and those Arabs trained other Arabs! What is there to wait for?
            In general, the experience of their use in Khmeimim is sufficient evidence of the effectiveness of "Pantsire". Here's just the early data:

            It is clearly seen that the overwhelming majority of targets (and sometimes quite difficult ones) were hit by the very first missile!
            As it turned out, the Pantsir had problems with very small and very slow-moving targets flying at ultra-low altitudes .... I had to solve it. hi
            1. Rostislav Prokopenko
              Rostislav Prokopenko 21 December 2021 12: 04
              0
              That's how I always say - mathematics and statistics are SCARY sciences! laughing The main thing is to read the complete information laughing
        2. Hermit21
          Hermit21 20 December 2021 10: 10
          +12
          All these defeats in Syria and Libya played negatively on the image of the ZRPK


          So they played that it was the turn of the “Shells” for years to come.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 21 December 2021 12: 11
            0
            So they played that it was the turn of the “Shells” for years to come.

            Well, where did you see this line?
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 December 2021 12: 02
          +7
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          All these defeats in Syria and Libya played negatively on the image of the ZRPK
          However, not so much negatively as the image of the Patriot in North Arabia was damaged, when he was previously destroyed by the Houthis, before an attack on the accumulation of enemy personnel, as a result of which up to a hundred soldiers and 12 representatives of the command staff died. Well, the arrivals of Houthi missiles and drones at the airports and refineries of the Saudis generally questioned the effectiveness of this system.
      2. just exp
        just exp 20 December 2021 10: 01
        -1
        I am aware that there were Armor from the UAE and the calculations were Arab.
        but the Shell has an automatic mode, there is generally a fucking calculation or not
        it was in such a regime that the UAE Carapace in Yemen shot down a Saudi turntable.
        the first shells had problems, now they seem to have been eliminated, but the non-updated air defense missile systems still have these problems.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 20 December 2021 10: 42
          +8
          Quote: just explo
          but Carapace has an automatic mode

          Gospidya! Well, there are people who say: "Automatic mode!"; so they will write any device into "robots with AI" without really understanding what this means! belay Well, we don't have autonomous robots yet ... Nope! And about the "automatic mode" that appeared, the announcement followed later on the supply of "Shell" to the UAE ...
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 20 December 2021 11: 03
          +6
          Quote: just explo
          Carapace has an automatic mode, there is generally a fucking calculation or not

          no need to spend time and resources on training specialists?
    3. LZ50
      LZ50 20 December 2021 09: 56
      0
      Have you heard such things as "comprehensive support of combat operations"? and in Libya, how it was implemented, please share the information!
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 December 2021 10: 04
        +1
        Quote: LZ50
        Have you heard such things as "comprehensive support of combat operations"? and in Libya, how it was implemented, please share the information!

        do not write nonsense
        the ball is by your side
        if you have information - share
        I can only share the logic
        1. LZ50
          LZ50 20 December 2021 10: 17
          -6
          the question was not addressed to you, why is the logic lame climbing?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 December 2021 10: 24
            +6
            Quote: LZ50
            the question was not addressed to you, why is the logic lame climbing?

            dear, I have two feedback notifications.
            you, in turn, write without quoting the root comment and not observing punctuation.
            don't be surprised if your posts are misinterpreted.
            1. LZ50
              LZ50 20 December 2021 12: 36
              -5
              as if lame and the nose is long.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 20 December 2021 12: 53
                +2
                Quote: LZ50
                as if lame and the nose is long.

                1.you missed the comma. again you are difficult to understand. who is limping? whose nose?
                2.their words to me about lame logic have not been confirmed by anything
                3. about the nose is completely superfluous. it is an open public forum, not your refrigerator.

                be serious.
                1. LZ50
                  LZ50 20 December 2021 17: 25
                  -3
                  but I checked the nonsense about the citation and responses to comments. the commas you will place the teacher is not small.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 20 December 2021 17: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: LZ50
                    but I checked the nonsense about the citation and responses to comments.

                    what kind of nonsense?
                    what is it in your opinion?
                    you again do not support your words
                    it's very hard to know what you mean
                    "think what you want"
                    a very strange manner to conduct a dialogue with someone, without at all setting the task of being understood.
                    1. LZ50
                      LZ50 20 December 2021 18: 29
                      -4
                      you can determine who the comment / question was addressed to in one click. blame your carelessness and continue to stifle about commas.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 20 December 2021 19: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: LZ50
                        determine to whom the comment / question was addressed

                        I am writing from a smartphone
                        can you tell us more about "one click"?
                        I am not familiar with this function.
                        Be so kind.
                        and leave your familiarity to your friends.
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 20 December 2021 10: 12
        -16
        Quote: LZ50
        Have you heard such things as "comprehensive support of combat operations"? and in Libya, how it was implemented, please share the information!

        The point is that "Armor" does not detect small-sized drones and loitering ammunition - there are more than 3 videos of the defeat of "Armor", where the air defense missile system is in scanning mode and these videos are much more weighty than the words of the esteemed colonel.
        1. LZ50
          LZ50 20 December 2021 10: 37
          +2
          Bairaktar refers to
          small drones and loitering ammunition
          ?
          the words of the colonel of the videoconferencing are more weighty than those hollowing in the eyes
        2. spectr
          spectr 20 December 2021 11: 30
          +3
          Much depends on the position. With an unsuccessfully chosen position, he will not see the F-16 either.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 December 2021 12: 18
          -1
          If you look closely at the bumper of an overturned burnt-out car and compare it with the Kamaz one on which the Pantsir stands, you will see these are different cars.
          1. LZ50
            LZ50 20 December 2021 17: 28
            0
            you need to look not at the bumper, but at the front pair of hydraulic cylinders of the supports: at the Pantsir it is behind the 2nd bridge, this uncle in the photo above is between the 1st and 2nd axles.
    4. Sovpadenie
      Sovpadenie 20 December 2021 09: 57
      +10
      if you watched the plot (I watched), then they explained and showed how the "Shell" was destroyed in Libya. He was on the platform on which he was transported. And in Syria, for example, the calculation stood on the sidelines, smoked
      1. Arpad
        Arpad 20 December 2021 10: 09
        -8
        Quote: Sovpadenie
        if you watched the plot (I watched), then they explained and showed how the "Shell" was destroyed in Libya. He was on the platform on which he was transported. And in Syria, for example, the calculation stood on the sidelines, smoked

        It is strange then How does a Syrian fire off missiles if the crew smokes on the sidelines
        1. Sovpadenie
          Sovpadenie 20 December 2021 10: 15
          +3
          at least it was in the plot of yesterday's News of the Week. And what you saw I do not know
          1. Arpad
            Arpad 20 December 2021 10: 44
            -4
            Quote: Sovpadenie
            at least it was in the plot of yesterday's News of the Week. And what you saw I do not know

            See the video that is shown above
            1. Disant
              Disant 20 December 2021 13: 42
              +4
              so take a close look at this ancient video, worn out to holes - where is there a shell that shoots missiles ????
              THERE IS A GLUE !!
              1. Arpad
                Arpad 20 December 2021 14: 39
                -6
                Quote: Disant
                so take a close look at this ancient video, worn out to holes - where is there a shell that shoots missiles ????
                THERE IS A GLUE !!

                No gluing there
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 December 2021 10: 03
      +9
      Quote: just explo
      I know that several dozen bayraktar were released there, but more than one piece of armor was burned.

      Your "protest" in no way refutes the colonel's words! I remember the cases in which the "Libyan" air defense systems were amazed ... yes, approximately, in similar situations, which the "tovarisch colonel" mentioned! Also, one should not forget that no one promised "Carapace" "absolute invulnerability"! Much depends on the organization, structure of military formations, training, and even. the mentality of the military!
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 20 December 2021 10: 23
        +2
        to close the object completely, not 1 air defense missile system is needed, but a division ... and in Syria and Libya, no one puts them in such quantities on 1 object
    6. Hermit21
      Hermit21 20 December 2021 10: 13
      +6
      And almost all, if not all, were out of action. Well, the ratio is far from in favor of "Bydloktarov". What did you want to say?
    7. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 20 December 2021 12: 15
      +4
      (...) If there is no calculation in "Pantsir", if the calculation is on the street, if "Pantsir" is not in combat mode, then this is just a polygon target for training Bayraktar calculations

      - added the colonel.

      specially for those divorced from reality. request
      in Libya, the shells were lost on the march, that is, inoperative without crews.
      at the same time, in Syria, 4 Syrian shells (export version) quite successfully repelled the attacks of the bayraktars with a score, according to the Syrians, of 14: 0. in Syria, for some reason, the Syrian air defense did not lose a single shell in this operation. in any case, there is no evidence of this. while the fragments of bayraktars are presented enough. yes
  3. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 20 December 2021 09: 37
    -3
    it used to be worse, but now it is better. Right now we need to change all the old complexes to
    "a new multifunctional sighting station with an active phased antenna array, allowing" to see "targets at a distance of up to 75 km. The aiming range of the new complex has been increased to 40 km."
  4. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 20 December 2021 09: 37
    -17
    Haha, the Turkish drone chicken's PR bubble has burst. Well done for the Ministry of Defense, they know the power of their word.
    Baykar Makina is hysterical now, they are waiting for the cancellation of contracts en masse.
    Yuri Muravkin fits the Hero of Russia. Everyone was diplomatically embarrassed to tell the truth, but he was not ashamed.
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 20 December 2021 09: 54
      -5
      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Haha, the Turkish drone chicken's PR bubble has burst. Well done for the Ministry of Defense, they know the power of their word.
      Baykar Makina is hysterical now, they are waiting for the cancellation of contracts en masse.
      Yuri Muravkin fits the Hero of Russia. Everyone was diplomatically embarrassed to tell the truth, but he was not ashamed.

      Grandfather at the reception of a sex therapist:
      - Doctor, more than 3 times a week with my wife does not work.
      - Grandfather, how old are you?
      - 85.
      - Grandfather, well this is excellent!
      - Yes? And my neighbor says that with his wife every day, and he is 95!
      - Well, so you say!
  5. Invoce
    Invoce 20 December 2021 09: 41
    +2
    I am glad that we have begun to pay attention and funding to the military-industrial complex.
    Voenka is the engine of the economy. All developments of the military-industrial complex will very soon be used in industry and go into civilian circulation.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 20 December 2021 09: 48
      +5
      All developments of the military-industrial complex will very soon be used in industry and go into civilian circulation.

      How much is the Carapace?
      I want to stand in the garage, so, for civilian traffic good
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 December 2021 09: 51
      0
      Quote: Invoce
      Voenka is the engine of the economy. All developments of the military-industrial complex will very soon be used in industry and go into civilian circulation.

      How to pronounce these mantras? In the morning, in the morning or before lunch? In the afternoon, in the afternoon or in the late afternoon? Or 3 times a day ... but before or after meals? what
      1. Harry.km
        Harry.km 20 December 2021 11: 47
        +4
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        before meals or after?


        Instead of! )))
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 December 2021 09: 45
    +3
    In the Russian Ministry of Defense, Turkish Bayraktar drones were called an "easy target" for the Pantsir air defense missile system
    laughing lol
    The Russian Ministry of Defense showed that the Turkish Bayraktar drones are an easy target for the Pantsir air defense missile system.
    good
  7. askort154
    askort154 20 December 2021 09: 54
    +12
    In various media, including Arab, figure 40 appears.
    In Libya and Syria, more than 40 Turkish UAVs - Bayraktar and Anka - have been shot down by the "shell". This is 1/4 of all UAVs produced in Turkey, which she shyly keeps silent about. The Turks ran the biggest advertisement in Nagorno-Karabakh, but not in Libya and Syria, where they were shot down like a raven.
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 20 December 2021 09: 59
      -9
      Quote: askort154
      In various media, including Arab, figure 40 appears.
      In Libya and Syria, more than 40 Turkish UAVs - Bayraktar and Anka - have been shot down by the "shell". This is 1/4 of all UAVs produced in Turkey, which she shyly keeps silent about. The Turks ran the biggest advertisement in Nagorno-Karabakh, but not in Libya and Syria, where they were shot down like a raven.

      And what prevented them from being shot down in Karabakh?
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 20 December 2021 10: 08
        +12
        And what prevented them from being shot down in Karabakh?
        Lack of Shells and very few Thors.
        This is among other, no less important reasons.
      2. askort154
        askort154 20 December 2021 10: 17
        +8
        Arpad .....What prevented them from being shot down in Karabakh?

        A mess in everything. If Azeibarjan had been preparing for war for a long time and thoroughly, and with the zealous support of Turkey and Israel, then Armenia "chewed snot". As they say - "trust
        glass ... she will break it too. " hi
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 20 December 2021 11: 19
          +2
          Quote: askort154
          Arpad .....What prevented them from being shot down in Karabakh?

          A mess in everything. If Azeibarjan had been preparing for war for a long time and thoroughly, and with the zealous support of Turkey and Israel, then Armenia "chewed snot". As they say - "trust
          glass ... she will break it too. " hi

          Armenians were busy with a more important occupation - rested on their laurels
  8. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 20 December 2021 10: 05
    -17
    Quote: askort154
    In various media, including Arab, figure 40 appears.
    In Libya and Syria, more than 40 Turkish UAVs - Bayraktar and Anka - have been shot down by the "shell". This is 1/4 of all UAVs produced in Turkey, which she shyly keeps silent about. The Turks ran the biggest advertisement in Nagorno-Karabakh, but not in Libya and Syria, where they were shot down like a raven.

    It's nice to see a real patriot.
    He doesn't even care what media they wrote. A true patriot feels the truth in his heart and cuts it at every opportunity.
    Our person. Keep the plus from me.
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      1. askort154
        askort154 20 December 2021 13: 00
        +9
        For "engineer Shchukin"
        So your support group showed up with "minuses".
        Then let me announce your resume on VO.
        - all 296 of your "comments", the VO team appreciated
        at 9738 "minus". A very convincing assessment of your
        trolling "patriotism" on VO. It's time for you to change your "nickname", which is what your "colleagues" from Ukraine and home-grown "all-fenders" do all the time. Yes, I am a true Patriot of Russia. I live for a long time, I saw a lot of everything - Russia is my Motherland.
        And therefore, I will not allow any ukro-Pole-Baltic statesmen to defile the history and honor of Russia. You have been, and there is a sea of ​​hyenas, but Russia was, and will always be too tough for you. yes
  9. Pastor
    Pastor 20 December 2021 10: 52
    +2
    It is hardly a big secret that:
    1. A slow-moving, poorly maneuverable target is a good target
    2. Arabs are no warriors with regard to the use of technological weapons
    1. aslan balayev
      aslan balayev 20 December 2021 11: 29
      -4
      Quote: Pastor
      It is hardly a big secret that:
      1. A slow-moving, poorly maneuverable target is a good target
      2. Arabs are no warriors with regard to the use of technological weapons

      1. A slow-moving, poorly maneuverable target is sometimes a "bad" target. 2. The Armenians in the use of tenological weapons actually lag behind the Arabs.
      1. Harry.km
        Harry.km 20 December 2021 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: aslan balayev
        A slow-moving, poorly maneuverable target sometimes hits a "bad" target


        This is if there is no optical detection station.
  10. sen
    sen 20 December 2021 12: 55
    +4
    In the Russian Ministry of Defense, Turkish Bayraktar drones were called an "easy target" for the Pantsir air defense missile system

    No. An integrated solution is needed: different air defense systems, MANPADS, manual and transportable jamming stations, radars, satellites, and most importantly, everything must be combined into one common air defense system.
  11. huntsman650
    huntsman650 20 December 2021 12: 59
    0
    SOC sees at 75, SOC at 40?
  12. zloybond
    zloybond 20 December 2021 12: 59
    -1
    Actually, the whole question is only about who has a long-range missile - that is the target. There is nothing more to argue about.
  13. huntsman650
    huntsman650 20 December 2021 13: 06
    +2
    Sighting range is the maximum range for target tracking - 40 km. And the far border of the zone of destruction of new "turtles" is 25 km. These are the new Carapaces. And it turns out that Turkish drones are quite tough for them.
  14. svoit
    svoit 20 December 2021 13: 45
    -3
    Quote: VORON538
    ? For each of your clever dupa in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there is a bolt with the correct thread :)))

    So, after all, it was not found, they were the ones to strike, and judging by the video they hit the target, it was not the DPR that destroyed the drone in advance. That is, it seems that the preparation for the strike was not opened in advance and / or the "bolt with the correct thread" was not found in time No.
  15. svoit
    svoit 20 December 2021 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: Arpad
    How does a Syrian fire off missiles if the crew smokes on the sidelines

    So he already wrote about the automatic mode, you smoke nearby and take pictures of how the Pantsyr knocks down missiles and tractors, they were installed in the UAE without him, and in Syria, it’s exactly with him
  16. Strannik96
    Strannik96 20 December 2021 14: 21
    +3
    The surrounding picture in the explosion and in the video with the shell is completely different, in the explosion you can see traces of the vehicle and some trees on the left, but I am not in the video with the shell
  17. zxc15682
    zxc15682 20 December 2021 14: 24
    -3
    Here I am only interested in and why does Panzer need a gun?
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 20 December 2021 15: 05
      +5
      Well, actually, you'd better dig a little deeper, why bother with guns, otherwise it sounds completely stupid ...
      1. zxc15682
        zxc15682 20 December 2021 22: 57
        -1
        I'm sitting on the couch drinking beer and wondering why Panzer needs guns? Really, why does he need guns? He shoots as God sends .. in short, just a salute to nowhere?
        1. Roman_vh
          Roman_vh 21 December 2021 00: 09
          0
          It is harmful for shkolota to drink beer. Smoke ABC book
  18. Strannik96
    Strannik96 20 December 2021 14: 25
    +3
    forgot to indicate 1,4 minutes before the explosion and 1.8 after the explosion
  19. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 20 December 2021 19: 02
    -5
    Quote: askort154
    For "engineer Shchukin"
    So your support group showed up with "minuses".
    Then let me announce your resume on VO.
    - all 296 of your "comments", the VO team appreciated
    at 9738 "minus". A very convincing assessment of your
    trolling "patriotism" on VO. It's time for you to change your "nickname", which is what your "colleagues" from Ukraine and home-grown "all-fenders" do all the time. Yes, I am a true Patriot of Russia. I live for a long time, I saw a lot of everything - Russia is my Motherland.
    And therefore, I will not allow any ukro-Pole-Baltic statesmen to defile the history and honor of Russia. You have been, and there is a sea of ​​hyenas, but Russia was, and will always be too tough for you. yes

    So touching)
    Only I didn’t understand, you don’t allow something there, but don’t say how. Tell us what you can?
  20. Charik
    Charik 20 December 2021 23: 40
    -3
    And why did you knock a lot of bairaktars off the shell with jelly?
    1. LZ50
      LZ50 21 December 2021 09: 19
      -1
      yes, more than you from the couch
  21. Charik
    Charik 21 December 2021 12: 50
    0
    Kissel and a nightingale would be like that to their dacha, where is it with them, in Spain?
  22. Charik
    Charik 21 December 2021 12: 51
    0
    the fact that the Pantsir will be able to shoot down a Turkish UAV and not only production, I have no doubt, but it is difficult to shoot down these UAVs - if they need someone