"The time of Moscow has passed": the Polish edition started talking about the revival of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

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The next geopolitical crisis brings new players onto the stage. US influence is diminishing, China is rearing its head in Asia, and Russia is losing its importance. Poland should take advantage of this by realizing its imperial ambitions, writes the author of an article for the Polish edition of Gazeta Polska Codziennie Bartosz Bartczak.

Russia is gradually weakening, losing its positions, Bartchak is sure, the next round of confrontation remained with Poland. This is clearly seen from the situation in the area of ​​the Polish-Belarusian border, where everything is calm. An attempt by Putin and Lukashenko to rock the situation failed.



According to the author, Poland has been dragged into a global conflict, so Warsaw needs to take advantage of this. First of all, Bartchak proposes to squeeze Moscow out of its spheres of influence - Belarus and Ukraine. Warsaw should succeed in this, since Russia is "weak" and can no longer resist pressure. To do this, it is necessary to "strangle" Russia with sanctions and convince the Ukrainians and Belarusians that they will be better off with Poland.

Having included in its sphere of influence the territories of Ukraine and Belarus that originally belonged to Poland, Warsaw will take the first step towards the revival of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the author is sure. Millions of Ukrainians and tens of thousands of Belarusians now living on the Vistula will return to Ukraine and Belarus and take the place of local elites, implementing Polish politics.

Against the background of the revival of Poland, Russia the author assigns the role of a power that has already left the scene, which played a role in stories... In his opinion, Russia has already lost to either the United States or China, the author himself has not yet figured out which of them will eventually become a world leader.

Thus, a weakened Russia gives Poland a chance to become a new power in Europe and Warsaw should use it, of course, with the support of its American allies. At the same time, Warsaw can go even further and restore not only the First Rzeczpospolita, but also unite the entire Intermarium region under its control.

The time of Moscow has simply come to an end, the time of Warsaw has begun, the author sums up.
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  1. +49
    15 December 2021 07: 54
    "And then Ostap suffered"
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    3. +26
      15 December 2021 08: 09
      It seems that autumn has passed, but spring has not come. Unplanned exacerbation of schizophrenia?
      1. +3
        15 December 2021 08: 34
        There is a black sheep in the "glorious" NATO family: if they yelp like that, then a command has been given from across the hill to check Russia's reaction ...
        1. +9
          15 December 2021 09: 39
          There is a black sheep in the "glorious" NATO family: if they yelp like that, then a command has been given from across the hill to check Russia's reaction ...


          Rather, in a NATO family of freaks, one is sick more than the rest. Where you do not spit, one is not more adequate than the other.
          1. 0
            16 December 2021 21: 36
            This Pole Bartchak is a funny dreamer! laughing laughing laughing
      2. +6
        15 December 2021 10: 16
        Quote: Evil543
        It seems that autumn has passed, but spring has not come. Unplanned exacerbation of schizophrenia?

        Everything is easier. Catholic Christmas has already begun to thump. Here they are from "Zubrovka" and ripped open ...
        1. +2
          15 December 2021 10: 38
          I think then something to get away
          1. +3
            15 December 2021 10: 47
            Quote: Evil543
            I think then something to get away

            Is it possible that "zaboristoe" was mixed with "Zubrovka"? belay Well, then, "Everybody take cover!"
      3. +4
        15 December 2021 10: 58
        Warsaw will take the first step towards the revival of the Commonwealth, ....

        Just let them first transfer the western lands to Germany (which Poland had never owned before). And then he will try to revive his Speech.
    4. +43
      15 December 2021 08: 10
      Another Lyash's idiot who wants to get a hit. He would have remembered better than for Poland such wishlist ALWAYS ended, and they ALWAYS ended with the partition of Poland. And * d * and * e * e * t * s are ineradicable, and in Poland and in Ukraine, this is generally the main type of local freak show.
      1. +7
        15 December 2021 08: 33
        Having included in its sphere of influence the territories of Ukraine and Belarus that originally belonged to Poland, Warsaw will take the first step towards the revival of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the author is sure. Millions of Ukrainians and tens of thousands of Belarusians now living on the Vistula will return to Ukraine and Belarus and take the place of local elites, implementing Polish politics.

        And you asked Belarusians and Ukrainians, do they want to harvest strawberries in your Rzeczpospolita for a pittance ??? And then there are many examples in history of HOW did you treat (and do!) To the ethnic Belarusians living in your territory. And where does it come from that Russia was "blown away"? Or does the FSA battalion tank group give such reasons to think ??? fool Yes, and your "Polish politics" is not needed by anyone here !!! stop
      2. +4
        15 December 2021 10: 20
        Quote: Alex_1973
        He would have remembered better than for Poland such wishlist ALWAYS ended, and they ALWAYS ended with the partition of Poland.

        I know how Poland can avoid the fourth section. You just need to deploy more American missiles designed to deliver a preemptive strike against Russia. Then no one else will divide Poland. Who in FIG needs a territory vitrified after a nuclear retaliation strike?
      3. -15
        15 December 2021 10: 38
        In the next 30-50 years, everything will be decided by the strength of the economies of Poland and Russia and the proposal of civilization addressed to Belarusians and Ukrainians. In recent years, 140 thousand Belarusians and 2 million Ukrainians have arrived in Poland for permanent residence. One hundred thousand young Belarusians and Ukrainians study at Polish universities. These people associate their future with Poland, they are looking for a better life there. Today, the strength of the state is determined by people, not by the area it occupies. Poland is attracting people, the process is gaining momentum ...
        1. +16
          15 December 2021 10: 43
          Does Poland have an economy? And if everything is so rosy and good in Poland, why then the Poles do not work in their country, but prefer to clean toilets in London, Paris and Berlin ?!
          Well, and for you personally, as a pan-head, I wish you a successful job as a toilet cleaner for Poles, toilet cleaners in the "great" EU ...
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          3. -16
            15 December 2021 10: 58
            It has been a thoughtlessly repeated myth for many years. Poles no longer travel to Western Europe. Earnings in Poland have grown significantly, and hands are needed to work. Now Poles are starting to return to Poland.
            1. +6
              15 December 2021 12: 51
              Quote: Misza
              Now Poles are starting to return to Poland.

              not to return, but to bulge out of England after Brexit. but the result is really the same ... Poles go back to Poland. the reasons for the return are somewhat different wink and how long are they in Poland? flooded from England, reoriented to Germany or France request
              1. -9
                15 December 2021 13: 00
                Today in Poland an ordinary builder earns $ 1200-1500. Food is better and cheaper than in Russia, Russians from Kaliningrad know that ...
                1. +8
                  15 December 2021 13: 18
                  Quote: Misza
                  Today in Poland an ordinary builder earns $ 1200-1500.

                  and what is this "simple worker"? and how much will he have left after taxes? how much for food, utilities, transport, insurance, etc. dear, your propaganda, divorced from life, is bad manners wink
                  Let's get the facts better.
                  Poland is a country without its own industry (they ruined their own to join the EU), with a deficit trade balance and living on EU subsidies. and if daddy cuts off the gas pipeline and Poland loses transit it will have to ask the EU for even more money.
                  tell me, you yourself are not embarrassed that a country that constantly asks the EU for money for one or the other and even cannot build a fence without the EU's help, declares something about being ready to take the lead in the EU? wassat
                  it may seem normal to you from the inside, but it is funny to others laughing
                  1. -10
                    15 December 2021 13: 28
                    If it was bad in Poland, Ukrainians and Belarusians would not have moved with their families to Poland. Please ask them, not me. Poland builds its economy wisely, there is no corruption and no oligarch thieves ...
                    1. +9
                      15 December 2021 13: 51
                      Quote: Misza
                      If it was bad in Poland, Ukrainians and Belarusians would not have moved with their families to Poland. Please ask them, not me.

                      but to Russia then the Ukrainians (despite the tales of the war wassat ) and there are much more Belarusians. are you familiar with this fact? want to say that Russia is much better than Poland? what
                      and the appeal to those "Belarusians" who fled to Poland for the last year is generally ridiculous laughing
                      Quote: Misza
                      Poland builds its economy wisely, there are no thieves oligarchs ...

                      oh well you! is it true? at all??? belay and real estate and enterprises have not been privatized? and private property is not there? or do you want to say that these are not all Poles? I mean, no Polish oligarchs-thieves? well it is yes .. it is an achievement if so good laughing
                      1. -4
                        15 December 2021 14: 00
                        I just want to note that in the rivalry between Russia and Poland for the souls of Belarusians and Ukrainians, the standard of living will be determined by Poland and Russia. In the future, the process will not be stopped by tanks. Russia needs to modernize like Poland. It's a race ...
                      2. +2
                        15 December 2021 14: 42
                        Poland lost four hundred years ago when it decided to "modernize" by becoming more active. since then has been on the outskirts of Europe as a bogeyman.
                      3. -1
                        15 December 2021 14: 55
                        The story never ends. Poles and Russians will live next to each other until the end of the world, while Ukrainians and Belarusians will live among them. It is foolish to say that everything is done and nothing will change ...
                      4. +4
                        15 December 2021 14: 45
                        Quote: Misza
                        I just want to note that in the rivalry between Russia and Poland for the souls of Belarusians and Ukrainians, the standard of living will be determined by Poland and Russia.

                        this is a very superficial view. "standard of living" can be a decisive factor unless for people who cannot see beyond their noses. request if you decide to move to a place where the standard of living is high, then first of all it is worth asking who has a high standard of living there and if there is a chance of getting into this category. here you, as I understand it, want to say that there is a high standard of living in Poland. who? just a year ago I was looking at Euro News a story about Polish miners from a closed mine who earn money by digging coal in old mine workings at the risk of their lives and selling it on the market. somehow not like that high standard of living for the sake of which it is worth going to Poland. but they go. an acquaintance gave a link to Ukrainian forums where Ukrainians working in Poland discuss their pressing matters. to be honest, I'm not ready for the kind of prostitution they are discussing there request but you're right, some don't care, the main thing is to get money.
                        Quote: Misza
                        Russia needs to modernize like Poland. It's a race ...

                        about modernization, the big question is who to catch up wink in the meantime, Russia is so far the only country that has managed to push Google in its market without tough measures like the "great Chinese firewall" wink
                      5. -6
                        15 December 2021 14: 59
                        Please go to Poland or google it. Please compare Polish villages and towns with cities in Russia. Civilization gap. So Poland is defeating Russia in the struggle for the minds of Belarusians and Ukrainians. Belarusians and Ukrainians want to go to Poland, they want to live like that.
                      6. +5
                        15 December 2021 16: 02
                        Quote: Misza
                        Please compare Polish villages and towns with cities in Russia. Civilization gap.

                        I live in St. Petersburg. indeed, the civilizational gap is great. Polish cities need to try hard to catch up with my city hi
                        throw out your training manual. the iron curtain is gone. abroad the majority was and how it looks like they know not from your words, but they themselves saw. I went and I know hi Do you seriously want to convince me of the viability and stability of a country for which about 10000 migrants are a national tragedy? belay funny laughing
                        Quote: Misza
                        So Poland is defeating Russia in the struggle for the minds of Belarusians and Ukrainians.

                        what Ukrainians? those who are jumping with flags of the UPA? yeah, it really is a victory! good by the way, they are now coming to you and this is now your problem wink
                        with the Belarusians in general a span. honey agarics you contacted the Nazis, but then Poland decided that it was not weaker than the United States and could put its power in Belarus. didn't work out. weak for geopolitics request what is the result then? Belarus is ruled by President Lukashenko, and Poland has a handful of disgruntled people who fled to Poland, led by Tikhanovskaya, who have no influence on the situation in Belarus. request unequivocal success good #sarcasm laughing
                      7. -6
                        15 December 2021 16: 33
                        St. Petersburg is not the whole of Russia, there are thousands of cities and villages in which the majority of Russians live. Self-confidence is the first step to defeat ...
                      8. +2
                        15 December 2021 18: 01
                        Quote: Misza
                        St. Petersburg is not the whole of Russia, there are thousands of cities and villages in which the majority of Russians live.

                        quite right Yes I could now throw you a photo of how gypsies live in Poland, but you and I understand that not all Poland lives like this, right? why do you allow yourself to take some of the most negative examples and declare that this is how the whole of Russia lives?
                        and why did you decide that living in villages in Russia is bad? wassat here is one example of a house in one famous Russian village

                        I bet that in Poland the standard of living is too low for such a luxury wassat
                        if you want to say something about the life of ordinary citizens, then I have already given you examples of unemployed miners, farmers and gypsies. Not everyone was lucky enough to get paperwork in the Warsaw office. and now those who have flooded their England will still return, what will you do with them? as well as with the farmers, will you pretend that they are not there? Poland itself does not create jobs. wake up, as usual, ask the EU for subsidies?
                        Quote: Misza
                        Self-confidence is the first step to defeat ...

                        gold words! good drinks repeat them while looking in the mirror. Yes from you have created the illusion of victory over Russia, despite the fact that your country is constantly asking for money, not Russia. wink
                        PS
                        that's serious! what victories and confrontation can we talk about when you can't even make your own vaccine? from Polish achievements I know only "The Witcher-3" and tablets for flavoring bunches wassat
                      9. +2
                        15 December 2021 19: 29
                        Belarusians and Ukrainians want to go to Poland, they want to live like that.

                        Lord, take it away, and zmagars and skakuas, we are not sorry. Only return the territories to Germany, which were given to you by Stalin, and do not bury yourself on ours and everything will be fine. And then the markup ...
                    2. +4
                      15 December 2021 22: 38
                      As a resident of Kaliningrad, I will say: going to you for sausages and working for you are different things. In a ledl or bedronk we buy not Polish, but German, which is sold for Europe, because the quality is higher. But this does not mean that we want to live with you.
                2. +3
                  15 December 2021 23: 13
                  Quote: Misza
                  Today in Poland an ordinary builder earns $ 1200-1500.

                  interesting .... how much does he spend? in St. Petersburg, an ordinary welder earns 150-200 thousand a month, and this is also an ordinary worker at a factory ... .... for a builder in St. Petersburg, 70-90 thousand rubles has already become normal for a long time, so how many shipyards are left in Poland? Where is that Gdansk shipyard then? there are 5 of them in St. Petersburg .. and how many new buildings are there? kudrovo?. and where are the Poles going to get their apples, for the Russian Federation has decided to eat its own?
        2. 0
          15 December 2021 14: 39
          yeah, only five million Ukrainians and about half a million Belarusians moved to Russia during the same period. this is not counting the fact that the four million Donbass and the whole of Belarus follow in line with the interests of Russia. so consider and compare whose civilization project is more attractive ...
      4. -1
        15 December 2021 12: 53
        Then maybe it is better to support Poland in the revival of the next Rzeczpospolita?
        After all, the end is not much predictable ...
      5. 0
        18 December 2021 22: 23
        Quote: Alex_1973
        Another Lyash's idiot who wants to get a hit. He would have remembered better than for Poland such wishlist ALWAYS ended, and they ALWAYS ended with the partition of Poland.

        Do you know why polkas are beautiful? There is such a compote mixed with blood! All the armies of the world wishing to "roam" these open spaces, they made such a political party there with the ladies! tongue belay
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    6. +7
      15 December 2021 08: 51
      But now it becomes clear who is who. Poles write and speak more and more clearly about their true intentions and desires. We take it on a pencil ...

      After the Great Patriotic War, they sang about the joint construction of socialism, but they shook the communist bloc with all their might. Now they are at one with the United States and bring a sea of ​​problems to the EU ... And everyone, at least, pretended to believe the Poles! And history teaches that one should behave with Poland proceeding from an understanding of their "peculiarities" of their national character.

      They will not be able to build an empire, because there are no prospects, opportunities and competencies for that. And when they, at the next historical stage, declare about the "Slavic brotherhood", the new leadership of Russia should remember some of the approaches of this cunning neighbor!
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  3. +19
    15 December 2021 07: 55
    Shaw, AGAIN?) Masochists by God ...
    1. +2
      15 December 2021 08: 24
      This Pole barked for his own people, for the Poles. He really wants to make a career, but how else can he get out?
      How can a Polyak get into big bullies without a fight?
      And so he will declare his personal victory, because there are no tanks on the Channel. Vivat to ambition.
  4. +6
    15 December 2021 07: 57
    "In his opinion, Russia has already lost to either the United States or China, the author himself has not yet figured out which of them will eventually become a world leader."

    Did the Pole take something outrageous before writing his opus?
    The key word is NOT CLEARED. And, it seems, in many ways.
  5. +18
    15 December 2021 07: 57
    ***
    Polish ambition - a complex mass and individual psychopathological phenomenon inherent in Poles and characterizing Poland's foreign policy.

    (Material from the free Russian encyclopedia Tradition)

    ---

    Sections of the Commonwealth:

    - The first section of the Commonwealth in 1772,

    - The second section of the Commonwealth in 1793,

    - The third section of the Commonwealth in 1795;

    - Congress of Vienna in 1815, sometimes referred to as the fourth partition of Poland;

    - The non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 is called either the fourth or the fifth partition of Poland ...

    (Material from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    ***
    1. +7
      15 December 2021 09: 38
      In other words, in any incomprehensible situation, the countries with normal statehood divided Poland ...
  6. +10
    15 December 2021 07: 58
    Indeed, the time of the Poles has come to end any relations with them, first of all trade, and then political and all the rest.
  7. +4
    15 December 2021 07: 59
    Thus, a weakened Russia gives Poland a chance to become a new power in Europe.

    1. -1
      15 December 2021 09: 44
      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      Thus, a weakened Russia gives Poland a chance to become a new power in Europe.


      good
  8. +9
    15 December 2021 07: 59
    Another delirium neopokhmelilis.Kazhdy day to shout -Help, Russia deprives of sight, NATA AND MATTRESS bring the military and protect !!!!!
    1. +3
      15 December 2021 08: 02
      Quote: zadorin1974
      we all have already won, and again from one to one.

      "Thunder of victory, resound!"
      "Malbrook is going on a hike" ... then you know! )))
      1. +1
        15 December 2021 08: 31
        Since the morning, the ravings of steal and poland do not come with coffee. For cognac it is a working week. What are they throwing themselves with?
    2. +3
      15 December 2021 08: 32
      Quote: zadorin1974
      and again from mozha to mozha.

      Well, this is how she, again wants to stretch from one to one. Just like item # 2.
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  10. +14
    15 December 2021 08: 00
    As Roosevelt used to say at the Yalta Conference:
    Poland for five centuries - Europe's sore head
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  12. +6
    15 December 2021 08: 00
    Poland is preparing to bite off a piece of Belarus ... nothing new ... the habits of the hyena of Europe have not gone anywhere.
    1. +2
      15 December 2021 09: 21
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Poland is preparing to bite off a piece of Belarus ... nothing new ..

      Eastern Kresy is visible. It looks like it won't work with Belarus.
      1. +4
        15 December 2021 10: 30
        no .. they will not take Brest, but lions or there Vilnius .. it will be interesting to see how the local .. natovskie serfs will react to this.
        1. +1
          15 December 2021 11: 11
          Quote: oldzek
          it will be interesting to see how the locals will react to this.

          They strike a little mouth, but only who will listen to them. Oh, and they will show them democracy to the Panov!
  13. +8
    15 December 2021 08: 01
    Moscow time just came to an end, Warsaw time began
    This gentleman will not die of modesty!
    1. +6
      15 December 2021 08: 12
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      This gentleman will not die of modesty!

      Of course, because he still needs to write something like "Mein Kampf" in the Polish version. As the Poles, however, inflate.
      1. +1
        15 December 2021 08: 20
        Quote: AlexVas44
        Poles, however, inflates.

        "It will burst, merchant" ...
        Belyaev "Air Seller"
      2. +4
        15 December 2021 08: 40
        The Poles already have their Polish Mein Kampf. The late Brzezinski did his best in his time.
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  15. +14
    15 December 2021 08: 03
    For three hundred years a group of Polish military reenactors led by a guide-grandfather has been wandering through the forests of the Smolensk region - they cannot find an outlet to the sea ...
    1. +6
      15 December 2021 08: 28
      in the same place to the Belarusian sea a stone's throw, and further along the coast
    2. +3
      15 December 2021 08: 29
      They probably use the map from Psaki, which makes it difficult to get to the shores of Belarus ... laughing
      1. +5
        15 December 2021 08: 42
        The 6th fleet still cannot reach the shores of Belarus - they got lost.
        1. +1
          15 December 2021 08: 55
          They displaced it with their displacement ...
  16. +5
    15 December 2021 08: 05
    The time has come ... it's time to divide Poland again. A good tradition for each new century ...
    1. +2
      15 December 2021 09: 05
      nafig they are not needed, they have already shared, there is a lot of noise and zero sense
      1. +2
        15 December 2021 10: 08
        Poland is like an elderly woman with "low social responsibility" - while it had a marketable appearance, whoever wanted it, from the Germans to the USSR and the USA, had it. However, taking into account wear and tear, this miracle is less and less necessary for anyone.
    2. +3
      15 December 2021 09: 19
      Quote: Cottodraton
      The time has come ... it's time to divide Poland again.

      Everything has its time.
  17. +4
    15 December 2021 08: 07
    Such assessments on the part of Bartchak evoke affection. Some Wishlist on my mind, not supported by anything except ambition. It is sad that he is not alone in his desire to revive the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. By the way, Stalin spoke about the attitude of the West to the USSR: they are afraid, so they respect. The growing hysteria of the United States and its vassals about the threat from Russia testifies to its growing strength.
  18. +15
    15 December 2021 08: 08
    For some reason, it reminded me.))
  19. -2
    15 December 2021 08: 10
    Moscow's time has come. this is how it should be written
  20. +7
    15 December 2021 08: 12
    It is not for nothing that the country was called the "Hyena of Europe".
  21. Two
    +3
    15 December 2021 08: 17
    Yesche Polska has not perished! But the smell has already gone ...
  22. +1
    15 December 2021 08: 23
    "The time of Moscow has passed": the Polish edition started talking about the revival of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
    Blessed is he who believes ... however, the politician and the believer in what he says is NONSENS!
    The main thing is to say ... and there, either the donkey dies, or the shah dies. They were not the first to go there and not the last.
  23. +11
    15 December 2021 08: 24
    At first glance, the article is pure trolling for a Russian person. I remembered my childhood. There was a kid in the yard who teased us from a safe distance. It is clear that the Poles have the opportunity to tease the bear from a safe distance. Whether it is offensive or not, I think for a person who knows what modern Poland is, I think not. But it is also true that a Pole writes in this style, because he CAN do it. Or maybe he does it because our external policy is pragmatic. That is, we are encouraged to be smarter and not to respond to insults, but to look for common ground in everything in order to make friends and bargain. But in the end, the enemy becomes impudent - this entails unpunished Russophobia, which ultimately leads to material losses. We did not interfere with the cultivation of Russophobia in Ukraine, but hoped that the people are fraternal, we need to be friends with them and trade, this led, INCLUDING, to financial losses, the same story is outlined with SP2. Only now, when Russia was pinned to the wall, she began to respond timidly. At the same time, ignoring the legitimate issue. You can't cross the red lines, or else? An intelligible answer, then this is what does not sound. They only say that it will be unacceptable, but they answer us, but you will bear with it. Before the war, Stalin urged not to succumb to provocations - and that's what happened !!!
    1. +1
      15 December 2021 08: 38
      They gave a very specific answer to AT, as a matter of fact. The answer will be military and military-technical. This usually means that you have already got it specifically.
    2. +3
      15 December 2021 09: 04
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Before the war, Stalin urged not to succumb to provocations - and that's what happened !!!

      And if he had not called, would it have been different? Yes, it would be different. But how? Do not forget that an Anglo-French air raid on the Baku oil fields was planned for May 1940. And there ..... In short, it is not at all a fact that it would be better for our country.
      As for the article by this Bartosz Bartczak, this is another proof that economists should reason on economic topics, and historians should reason on historical ones. The same in the economy, let's say, not very ... He somehow forgot, his country with imperial ambitions receives a third of the budget from EU donors. I have never heard of real emperors begging for alms on the porch. Perhaps the Poles want to do something unprecedented again ... laughing
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Only now, when Russia was pinned to the wall, she began to respond timidly.

      Yes, we are at this wall all our history .... Tell me, when was it different? Only in those periods when, by the will of corrupt rulers, we practically "fell to our knees." Of course, you can throw a stone at the leaders of our foreign policy. But this gesture is more because our knowledge of the real situation is limited to the Vremya program. And yes, we can afford to criticize the management incessantly. But only because we ourselves do not have to answer for our hasty emotional flutters. But as time shows, restraint and neatness in relationships always turn out to be more productive than pubertal emotionality.
      1. +3
        15 December 2021 10: 07
        Hagen. Hagenbach? Rheinland-Pfalz. Restraint and accuracy have led to the loss of UKRAINE, at least for the lifetime of today's generation. And this is indisputable. What is productivity? Please, examples of "when restraint and neatness" turned out to be productive.
        1. +2
          15 December 2021 10: 32
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Restraint and accuracy have led to the loss of UKRAINE, at least for the lifetime of today's generation. And this is indisputable.

          And I thought that it was Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin who contributed to the creation, formation, separation and independence of Ukraine, each at its own stage and in its own time. And you're talking about some kind of generation ... laughing
        2. +1
          15 December 2021 11: 36
          Hagen. "our knowledge of the real situation is limited to the Vremya program." I am proud that I had to discuss with a person dedicated to the secrets of the Kremlin. But I'm a little worried. I am a common man in the street form my opinion on what I learned from the media. What have I learned? Miscellanea. Recently I listened to, as I was told, the favorite program of the Russians for 60 minutes. For an hour Skabeeva explained to the country what bellicose statements NATO and its Ukrainian vassals are making, how they have become insolent, how many weapons have been sent to them, and how they are about to conquer the people of Donbass. It became scary. But then a gray-haired expert came forward and told how many weapons we have and how quickly we will win. But at the same time, everyone consoled the people with the fact that the Russian Federation will not be the first to attack Ukraine, and its curators will not forbid it to attack Russia itself. And I thought how Russia got to the point where our relations with the fraternal Slavic people, with whom we have shared sorrow and joy for many centuries, and even our leader was a Ukrainian. have to settle overseas. And if this is the purpose of domestic propaganda is to convince the people that everything is lost, then why is this so? Moreover, judging by everything, the position of our country in technology is now generally better than five years ago,
        3. 0
          15 December 2021 13: 00
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Restraint and accuracy have led to the loss of UKRAINE, at least for the lifetime of today's generation

          Ukraine began to float away from us in an organized manner in 1988-89, when the Rukh was not strangled, but given political legitimacy. The foundation was laid by Khrushchev when he allowed the former Banderaites to return to their places of historical residence. The West supported the nationalists in every possible way, but it itself, nationalism, was already present in Ukraine in its traditional active-aggressive form. The only solution there was a complete pre-occupation of the territory, with the cleansing of nationalists from overt to covert, t.s. household. But by the 2000s, the moment had already been lost. And if the "heroes of the Maidan" hadn't started shedding the blood of all those who disagree, the Crimea issue would not have been resolved today, as it is today, and it would have been not the Black Sea Fleet or the Navy, but a completely alien fleet in Sevastopol.
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Please, examples of "when restraint and neatness" turned out to be productive.

          Of the large - just Crimea. Putin's relationship with Trump and Biden. Our reaction to the aggravation in Donbass this spring. Compliance with gas contracts with countries with deviant behavior. Yes, there is a lot that can be remembered with some effort. I agree that not everything can be unambiguous. I mentioned what happened. How it could be in other scenarios of development can be imagined only speculatively. But the mere fact that American politicians, like Ukrainian and European ones in addition, are very much afraid of one-on-one meetings of their presidents with Putin already says a lot ... No matter how we treat Putin ...
          1. +1
            15 December 2021 14: 08
            Hagen. You mentioned that in May 1940 the British and French were going to bomb Baku, but it did not work out, if I understood you correctly, because Stalin maneuvered correctly. But on May 10, 1940, Hitler began to attack France and actively bomb London, so there was no time for Baku. Concerning Ukrainian nationalism. Yes, there was a ruh, but the west was actively inserting its fingers into the hole. But according to my observations, even after the rule of Yushchenko, Russophobia has not yet penetrated into the masses of the Ukrainian people. These are my observations. In October 2013, I was vacationing at a sanatorium in the Crimea. Many Ukrainians rested there, relations with all of them were normal, with the exception of one orak, but what to take from him. As for the Crimeans themselves, they seemed to me more Russian than many Russians in Russia, but from no one I heard about the desire to unite with the Russian Federation, therefore I do not consider the unification of the Russian Federation with the Crimea as a result of persistent policy. It was Putin himself who said that the decision to initiate the process arose under the influence of the victory of the Ukronazis in February. Why the Russian Federation behaved so passively during the Maidan - I naturally do not know. I can assume from a reluctance to mix the preparations for the Olympics, but if so, then this is a miscalculation, because our athletes have not yet washed themselves of undeserved dirt during the Olympics. We have a bunch of organs that could and should have calculated this. All our further reactions to the Ukrainian events look compelled from low prices for gas in the name of the Ukrainian people to a military demonstration, that is, we were not leading and led. Who argues that Putin, an outstanding politician, may be the strongest, but after the Maidan he demonstrates art in defense, but this does not correspond to the fact that in terms of technology, our country has succeeded in recent years - whiners will talk about the dollar exchange rate, but the matter is not in the know. but in supersonic.
            1. 0
              15 December 2021 15: 11
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              if I understood you correctly, because Stalin maneuvered correctly.

              Historians have such a hypothesis that Hitler began active hostilities in the West, not least believing that by the non-aggression pact with the USSR, he ensured peace in the East.
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              the masses of the Ukrainian people, Russophobia has not yet penetrated

              The masses have never formed state policy. It is formed by the political leadership or the top political class. And he was already nationalistic in Ukraine before 91.
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              therefore, I do not consider the unification of the Russian Federation with Crimea as the result of a persistent policy

              The desire to return Crimea was much earlier. Both Crimeans and Russians expressed a desire to leave / take Crimea under Russia, and not only at the level of everyday discourse, but also at the level of the political elites of that time. But all this was under a normally functioning government in Kiev, in peacetime. Any movement in this direction would mean a real war. Ours waited, monitored the situation, including intelligence, and even active measures. And the issue was resolved only at a time when there was no legitimate government in Ukraine. And it was necessary to be able to wait, predict and seize the moment for what was done to become consistent with the article of the UN Charter.
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              but after the Maidan he demonstrates art in defense

              We have been on the defensive all our lives ... And today, with 146 million, we are opposing 800 million of slightly more advanced technological power. Therefore, yes, it is difficult to attack ... Nevertheless, we live and develop. Not as fast as we would like, but still ... For contrast, neighbors. They do not have such pressure as they do to us, they even help. And the country is nowhere lower, although it had every chance of being advanced, at least among the republics of the former USSR. Such an alternative could be.
    3. +1
      15 December 2021 10: 28
      Yes, let the Pole break through, if he wants to. Why are you excited? It seems that no one is attacking the borders of the Russian Federation and Belarus. And if you listen to all sorts of marginals, how they supposedly defeated Russia, so much useful time will go nowhere. Is it worth it? Or do you want to fight? Well, if health allows, go ahead to the contract. And if the Kuyaviyu psheks want to fight, so the flag is in their hands.
  24. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 26
    I ate my overripe apples.
    1. +1
      15 December 2021 09: 03
      Rather fermented apples ...
  25. +1
    15 December 2021 08: 26
    The delirium of a Polish drug addict
  26. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 27
    At most in ten years, no one will even remember about this Poland. It will be an abandoned country and in its development it will burst into the Middle Ages.
    1. +2
      15 December 2021 09: 16
      Quote: Mikhail Mikhail
      It will be an abandoned country and in its development it will burst into the Middle Ages.

      I doubt it.
  27. +1
    15 December 2021 08: 30
    Is it after COVID-19 such exacerbations?
  28. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 33
    The fool riches with a thought.
  29. +1
    15 December 2021 08: 45
    The time of Moscow has simply come to an end, the time of Warsaw has begun, the author sums up.
    ... The author is right in something. The CIS de facto ordered to live a long time, on the territory of the former USSR, a single economic space has not been created ... Russia, at one time "successfully" repented for Katyn, for the Moscow Treaty of 1939 , then they "handed over" back, but they missed the time .. They broke off a lot of branches, broke a lot of firewood. We actively spit on the Soviet past. We cannot offer anything else in the ideological sphere, except "our ideal is the Russian Empire", only in the "empire" there are not many who wants to. And Poland acts skillfully, did not give a damn about the Ukrainian regime, the Bandera parades, the murder of civilians in Donbass, they even found a common hero in the person of the "fighter against Bolshevism" - S. Petliura, who was an ally of Poland and so quietly squeezed out whatever they want, "from can to can." And here, once again, they will shrug their shoulders and blame American imperialism.
    1. -3
      15 December 2021 14: 49
      yeah, only hypersound is on alert now in Russia and not in Poland and not in the states tongue
  30. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 55
    .. They rolled out a wet little lip of psheki .. About western Ukraine, yes, and let them take it .. -there is a different language, not the same as, for example, in the Nikolaev region .. Or Poltava region .. But to Belarus, to stretch their rake - it is possible to remain without fingers .. Ah! .. - then why should they not remember about the courageous Balts? Such bold steel, as soon as there was talk that the United States would not fit in for Ukraine in the event of an armed conflict ..
  31. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 55
    Just who will allow Poland to revive its former empire beautifully ?! The states do not really need this, and Germany will not remain silent, if necessary, it will economically strangle Warsaw itself.
  32. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 56
    Disrespectful Polish political gentlemen like this Bartchak, when shouting about the greatness and power of Poland, do not open your mouth too wide, otherwise the European Union sisya will slip out, and without it it will be oh so hard to become great. wassat
  33. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 56
    Thus, a weakened Russia gives Poland a chance to become a new power in Europe and Warsaw should use it.
    Probably, the Polish political dwarf dreams of "taking advantage" of the tactics of Chernomor, ("Ruslan and Lyudmila") to his elder brother, a giant.

    That Chernomor, the evil wizard,
    Born Carla with a beard.
    He hated me since childhood,
    My marvelous growth offended him.

    However, we have enough of our own "black men" in Russia that the country's head is ready to be cut off, for personal loot.
  34. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 57
    The Polish non-comrade is delusional.
  35. +3
    15 December 2021 09: 06
    the revival of the polite speech always ended the same
  36. +1
    15 December 2021 09: 14
    "The time of Moscow has passed": the Polish edition started talking about the revival of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

    "Oh, don't say Krysya gop!" said Stefa when the Rat fell off the roof.
  37. +1
    15 December 2021 09: 17
    Judging by history, Rzeczpospolita always ended in the same way, equally bad.
    And the situation in the area of ​​the Polish-Belarusian border was not between Poland and Belarus, but between migrants and Poland, as a representative of the EU.
  38. +7
    15 December 2021 09: 18
    since Russia is "weak" and will no longer be able to withstand the pressure

    Did you forget to give Pan the medicine?
    1. 0
      15 December 2021 11: 25
      Quote: ugol2
      Did you forget to give Pan the medicine?

      seems to have gone too far with the dose ..
  39. +2
    15 December 2021 09: 24
    Warsaw should succeed in this, since Russia is "weak" and can no longer resist pressure. To do this, it is necessary to "strangle" Russia with sanctions and convince the Ukrainians and Belarusians that they will be better off with Poland.


    Poorly knows history ...
  40. +2
    15 December 2021 09: 34
    Moscow time just came to an end, Warsaw time began


    wassat wassat fool
  41. +1
    15 December 2021 10: 09
    These drugs are also freely available. laughing
  42. 0
    15 December 2021 11: 01
    What are these psheki funny, they have imperial ambitions, ahaha, but is there enough strength?
    Actually ordinary jackals. But the jackal will never become a wolf, let alone the fact that he will never become a tiger.
  43. 0
    15 December 2021 11: 24
    God, how many drug addicts and psychos have divorced. where do doctors and orderlies look?
  44. -1
    15 December 2021 13: 16
    the hyena of Europe opened its toothless mouth))))) Russia will close it !!!
  45. sen
    +1
    15 December 2021 14: 22
    Thus, a weakened Russia gives Poland a chance to become a new power in Europe and Warsaw should use it, of course, with the support of its American allies.

    Poland is at risk. The United States does not like countries showing an independent course. Turkey is proof of this.
  46. -1
    15 December 2021 14: 35
    that's who the paper bugs are! Once again, they will play out to the partition of Poland and then they will cry crocodile tears!
  47. 0
    15 December 2021 16: 50
    History teaches that it does not teach anything or anyone, and especially the Poles love to step on the same rake.
  48. 0
    15 December 2021 18: 48
    Millions of Ukrainians and tens of thousands of Belarusians now living on the Vistula will return to Ukraine and Belarus

    It is clear where the pan hurts ... He sleeps and sees how to float the "guests". wassat
  49. 0
    15 December 2021 21: 24
    Well, how will we divide Poland this time?
  50. 0
    15 December 2021 21: 36
    Nuuu .... if all such powerful Poland starts begging for discounts, you need to stick it into these statements. If you are strong you have to pay with a full-fledged coin for gas and oil. The point is to whine about difficulties once the wings are spread)))
  51. 0
    16 December 2021 09: 52
    I think there was a mistake in the title: “O” should be replaced with “I”.
    The neighbors have not yet realized that propaganda will not replace the laws of physics. In winter you need something to heat it with. And manufacturing enterprises that are fleeing Germany to Poland for cheap energy may flee further to the East. The main thing here is not to oversleep.
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  54. 0
    16 December 2021 14: 41
    I wonder what the author of the Polish edition smoked before writing the article?
  55. 0
    17 December 2021 18: 01
    Is there already free access to drugs in Poland? What did this “journalist” take? There are so many normal Poles working here in Germany. There are only stupid people left in the Polish homeland.
  56. 0
    19 December 2021 12: 33
    The hyena has eaten too much horse pathogen and is delirious. laughing