The head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces warned Kiev about its readiness to suppress provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass

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Russia warned Ukraine that any attempts by Kiev to resolve the situation in Donbass by force would be suppressed. The corresponding statement was made by the Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov.

On Thursday, the Defense Ministry hosted a briefing for the military attachés of foreign states. The head of the General Staff, Gerasimov, who spoke at it, among other topics, touched upon the situation with Russia's accusations of alleged preparations for an attack on Ukraine. According to him, the information disseminated by the Western press and some politicians is a lie, Russia does not intend to invade Ukraine, and the redeployment of Russian army units is carried out on Russian territory and is an internal matter of Russia.



Nevertheless, Moscow warns Kiev that any attempts by the Ukrainian authorities to resolve the situation in Donbas by force will be suppressed. Gerasimov drew attention to the fact that recently Ukraine has taken a number of drastic and dangerous steps in the Donbas, to which it is being pushed by its Western "allies" supplying weapons. American and Turkish weapons have already been seen on the demarcation line, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to use them against the republics.

The Chief of the General Staff stressed that Kiev is not fulfilling the Minsk agreements, and the supply of foreign weapons is heating up the already difficult situation in Donbass, instilling in the Ukrainian military the imaginary confidence in "Western support."

It should be noted that the wave of accusations against Russia of an allegedly impending invasion of Ukraine, which has recently been raised in the West, has begun to slowly subside. This was facilitated by the actions of Russia, as well as the talks between the presidents of Russia and the United States, which took place on Tuesday. However, some Western media and politicians continue to assert that Moscow "sleeps and sees" how to attack Ukraine and occupy its territories.

The briefing held at the Ministry of Defense for foreign military attachés should remind Western countries, as well as Ukraine, that Russia does not intend to attack, but is ready to retaliate.
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  1. +20
    9 December 2021 16: 11
    that Russia does not intend to attack, but is ready to retaliate.

    Nice to hear.
    1. +14
      9 December 2021 16: 19
      Yes, only it will be even more pleasant when practical actions for provocation follow. I already mentioned an officer with Russian citizenship on the contact line today.
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        1. 0
          9 December 2021 17: 32
          Link please. Just not on "Glavred", "Nash" or some other trash heap. I understand that our broadcasting is no better, but still.
        2. 0
          9 December 2021 19: 40
          Quote: Barge_watchman
          They are already silent, they do not remember. figured out what's what.

          What have you already shot?
          1. +1
            10 December 2021 11: 43
            it is inconvenient to drown for a criminal.
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        2. +9
          9 December 2021 18: 20
          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
          That is, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine begins to clean up Donbass, which it considers its own, then the Russian Federation, which also considers Donbass to be Ukrainian, will attack Ukraine under the pretext that it considers its actions on its own territory to be a provocation of Russia?

          Well, then it won't attack, but will start helping to cleanse Ukraine from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what are the problems?
          1. +12
            9 December 2021 20: 15
            I will give a standing ovation. Is Donbass Ukrainian? Yes. Ukraine is a part of Russia (if you want, then the Russian Empire, the USSR). It's just time to put things in order, both in the territories and in history. The anarchy that began in 1991 must be stopped, the sooner the better.
            1. +3
              9 December 2021 20: 40
              Quote: crocodoc
              Ukraine is a part of Russia (if you want, then the Russian Empire, the USSR).

              Ukraine is part of the Russian world.
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                  1. +2
                    9 December 2021 21: 14
                    Gerasimov is speaking correctly! No matter what they squeal afterwards, you were warned! Yes
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              2. +1
                9 December 2021 22: 05
                That is exactly what I wanted to say
              3. 0
                10 December 2021 11: 44
                consent asked?
            2. -11
              9 December 2021 20: 42
              Quote: crocodoc
              It's just time to put things in order, both in the territories and in history.

              About "putting things in order in history" is a gem.
        3. +2
          10 December 2021 09: 20
          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
          what provocation? That is, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine begins to clean up Donbass

          What does it mean to clean up? Engage in terror of the local population? Yes, this will be a provocation, because the path of settlement is indicated only by the Minsk agreements and nothing else. Any attempt at military action will be thwarted, either behind the scenes, through a proxy, the DPR army, or openly. At one time, Yugoslavia was democrated by bombs and divided into parts, and now there is peace and quiet. That’s what the Ukrainians are waiting for if they don’t calm down.
    2. -1
      9 December 2021 17: 14
      Used to hear ... As well as the murder of citizens of the Russian Federation are used to seeing.
      ... Russia warned Ukraine that any attempts by Kiev to resolve the situation in Donbass by force would be suppressed.

      Now what? If we move more than 100 mm closer than 100 km, will we express our concern (as always), or will we spit on the “independence” of a “sovereign state” and “someone” will remember the constitutional duty of “protecting citizens of the Russian Federation”? People are shrinking with empty promises - life observations. Tomorrow a specialist, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will "fool around" with drones with Aliexpress - what are we going to do?
      1. 0
        11 December 2021 13: 00
        Quote: Kesha1980
        People are shrinking with empty promises - life observations. Tomorrow a specialist, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will "fool around" with drones with Aliexpress - what are we going to do?

        Let us express our concern. And on the VO there will be a lot of comments that the calculations are not ready, or that the air defense systems are being controlled by those who are crooked and not quite ours! Fortunately, experience in action (inaction) in Syria has been accumulated! lol
    3. +1
      9 December 2021 18: 20
      This is already a very serious warning.
      1. +3
        10 December 2021 12: 55
        Quote: frruc
        This is already a very serious warning.

        Nothing serious. Another chatter. now also the chief of staff. They are not capable of real actions to destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine - it is easier to chat than to do. Rather, they are practically capable, but the "iron content" of the eggs is not enough. We've heard this scarecrow chatter for 8 years now. And the enemy is getting impudent and impudent, he doesn't give a damn about the scarecrows.
        1. 0
          10 December 2021 12: 57
          Well no. NGSH is a different level, he is a performer, not a chatterbox.
          1. +1
            10 December 2021 14: 43
            Quote: frruc
            Well no. NGSH is a different level, he is a performer, not a chatterbox.

            I would like to believe. But now let's see who he is.
            1. 0
              10 December 2021 15: 37
              they are not capable of ... actions to destroy the APU
              now let's see who he is.

              If there is an attempt by the Ukrainian armed forces to escalate the situation on the border, then they will get theirs. Moreover, it is not even necessary to invade there. It will be enough to hit the infrastructure, warehouses, accumulations of equipment, as in their time the Poti port in Georgia and the Tbilisi Aviation Plant were smashed. This will be called peace enforcement. After all, the rocket can fly into the building of mines. defense and security service.
    4. +3
      10 December 2021 00: 02
      And what is pleasant for you to hear !? More words? How many were there before? Haters, attack ...
  2. +9
    9 December 2021 16: 12
    Again, the Russian Federation will not come to war !!!
    1. +22
      9 December 2021 17: 15
      Don't you think that Gerasimov’s statement, the first of its kind from the head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, was made after Putin’s similar statement to Biden yesterday!
      Now the pan-heads will not only burn, but will also explode here and there!
      1. +1
        9 December 2021 17: 45
        Quote: alystan
        Don't you think that Gerasimov’s statement, the first of its kind from the head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, was made after Putin’s similar statement to Biden yesterday!
        Now the pan-heads will not only burn, but will also explode here and there!

        Yes, farts have long been torn in the gallop, the draft only whistles :)
      2. -10
        9 December 2021 18: 17
        Quote: alystan
        Don't you think that Gerasimov’s statement, the first of its kind from the head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, was made after Putin’s similar statement to Biden yesterday!
        Now the pan-heads will not only burn, but will also explode here and there!

        That is, do you want to say that zeroed and GSH also ask permission from mattress mats?
        1. +2
          9 December 2021 20: 12
          This is in your opinion, apparently everything should have happened?
          I counted, and I think there is every reason for this, that yesterday Putin poked Biden in the red lines and explained on his fingers that he was waiting along with the Ukraine he had tamed (Burisma would not let him lie) in the event of a military invasion of the Donbass ukrovoyak! This is also a strong signal of Russian support for the population of the LPR and DPR (to be honest, they have been waiting for this for a very long time) and a serious warning to Ze and Co.! There, the Foreign Ministry, represented by Deputy Minister Ryabkov, issued a similar warning to the collective EU!
          As they say, their hegemon was informed about everything in detail yesterday, and then they gave the go-ahead to all relevant departments to act in this vein and immediately!
          The United States itself has already refused to Israel in all its anti-Iranian inclinations, especially in military support in the event of a military mess, which also cannot but please us!
          Could you share inside information about the permissions you mentioned, would you?
        2. +1
          9 December 2021 23: 21
          I'll add something fresh and tasty for you! Here's what you can read today in the Associated Press based on the results of yesterday's talks, even very interesting (I attach a machine translation, those who speak English well can correct it, if that). So, here is that part of the article (at the end there will be a link to the full text):
          Administration officials have suggested that the US will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands now controlled by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014. An undefined “special status” for those areas was laid out in an ambiguous, European-brokered peace deal in 2015, but it has never taken hold.

          Biden also will have to finesse Ukraine's desire to join NATO. The US and NATO reject Putin's demands that they guarantee Ukraine won't be admitted to the Western military alliance.

          But senior State Department officials have told Ukraine that NATO membership is unlikely to be approved in the next decade, according to a person familiar with those private talks who spoke on condition of anonymity.
          ---------
          Administration officials have suggested that the United States will pressure Ukraine to formally cede some of its autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands, now controlled by Russian-backed separatists who rebelled against Kiev in 2014. An undefined “special status” for these territories was outlined in the Ambiguous Europe-brokered Peace Agreement in 2015, but it never materialized.

          Biden will also have to refine Ukraine's desire to join NATO. The US and NATO reject Putin's demands that they guarantee Ukraine will not be accepted into a Western military alliance.

          But senior State Department officials told Ukraine that NATO membership is unlikely to be approved in the next decade, according to a person familiar with the private negotiations, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

          Link to the source:
          https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-europe-vladimir-putin-8193787ec21ca2aded4a37fa325f07b5
          1. -1
            10 December 2021 12: 38
            Quote: alystan
            I'll add something fresh and tasty for you!

            God forbid, of course, but it's hard to believe.
      3. 0
        10 December 2021 11: 19
        Their barn is already on fire, and the hut will be burned, the country's economy is in operation, the population is not happy with a clown, the best way out is for a neighbor to attack, because it is not customary to restore the ruin on your own, ask, demand, whine at the toilet, yes, I give you a freebie !
  3. +15
    9 December 2021 16: 13
    Valery Gerasimov is not Lavrov, his department expresses concern in a more specific and understandable form.
    1. +7
      9 December 2021 16: 18
      Quote: Pechkin

      Pechkin
      Today, 16: 13
      NEW
      +1
      Valery Gerasimov is not Lavrov, his department expresses concern in a more specific and understandable form

      Lucidly! Right over the head ... Now this is getting very concrete. When "in return" flies - all these funny "postrelushki" will stop right away ...
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    3. -18
      9 December 2021 17: 15
      Quote: Pechkin
      his department expresses concerns in a more specific and understandable way.

      Well, what concrete and understandable did he say? What are we going to stop without attacking? How is it fucking?
    4. +2
      9 December 2021 21: 44
      Quote: Pechkin
      Valery Gerasimov is not Lavrov, his department expresses concern in a more specific and understandable form.

      I don’t know before or after these menacing statements, but there was information that Washington gave permission to Kiev to use Javelins at its own discretion. Regarding Turkish UAVs, Putin and Erdogan have a good relationship, they can come to an agreement.
    5. 0
      9 December 2021 22: 10
      As it was said in the famous film: "I will beat gently, but hard!"
  4. -10
    9 December 2021 16: 25
    For about 7 years, everything has been suppressed and suppressed, and people are buried and buried.
  5. +20
    9 December 2021 16: 25
    Valery Gerasimov unexpectedly held a meeting with the military attaches of the embassies (so that it would get through faster). I really liked his statement that 95% of ICBM complexes are on alert. He said a lot before meeting with the five jackals from NATO. If there is a meeting. Lavrov was tired of showing his partners his wit. They were warned. Now the Shoigu department enters into the conversation. good
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  6. +5
    9 December 2021 16: 42
    Interested in how exactly the Defense Ministry will cut down on the aggression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without "attacking" Ukraine?
    1. +7
      9 December 2021 16: 55

      Interested in how exactly the Defense Ministry will cut down on the aggression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without "attacking" Ukraine?

      Neat, but strong.
      1. +5
        9 December 2021 18: 13
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        Neat, but strong.

        and without even breaking the border! )))
    2. +4
      9 December 2021 18: 30
      Perhaps we have many kinds of flowers.
  7. +4
    9 December 2021 16: 45
    Long overdue!
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    1. +15
      9 December 2021 17: 07
      since when do "brass foreheads" make political statements?
      I don’t know what kind of head you have, copper or cast iron. But the chief of the General Staff Gerasimov has everything in order with his head and if he makes such statements then it is not out of nowhere.
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        1. +17
          9 December 2021 17: 17
          You insulted, personally, a person or all the military (calling them copper foreheads). So I think you can answer that way. And Gerasimov's statement is either agreed or he knows the attitude of the country's leadership to this situation.
          1. -23
            9 December 2021 17: 35
            Copper foreheads, (from copper helmets), have long been called the military.
            Doesn't carry any negative.
            You, apparently, are too young, since you do not know basic things.
            Besides. Where is Gerasimov, where are you? Did he ask you to intercede for him?
            So, your rudeness is absolutely unjustified.
            And more.
            politicians are engaged in politics, warriors are engaged in war.
            Everywhere like this: if you want to twirl the Universe - take off your shoulder straps, go into politics.
            1. +5
              9 December 2021 18: 30
              Quote: Barge_watchman
              politicians are engaged in politics, warriors are engaged in war.

              "you can achieve more with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word"
              1. 0
                10 December 2021 11: 47
                what is it called when the state is ruled by the military?
                forbidden word, I've already been warned ...
                1. +2
                  10 December 2021 18: 02
                  Quote: Barge_watchman
                  what is it called when the state is ruled by the military?
                  forbidden word, I've already been warned ...

                  are you talking about de Gaulle's France?
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2021 18: 32
                    Read carefully.
                    I wrote "military" in the plural.
        2. +5
          9 December 2021 19: 09
          Quote: Barge_watchman
          Making political statements is the prerogative of diplomats.
          So our Ministry of Defense does not prevent the Ministry of Foreign Affairs from talking about it first. What is actually happening.

          Quote: Barge_watchman
          and, this, suddenly you did not know, is a completely different Ministry. if warriors get involved in such cases, it is called a junta.
          If this is you, suddenly did not know
          US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin commented on the situation on the border of Russia and Ukraine. "We hope that Putin will be more open," - said the head of the Pentagon.
          of course, in your opinion this is not a junta, but "this is different" ...


          Quote: Barge_watchman
          And be rude, you will classmates.
          and if they all work ... for example, as watchmen ... and on ... a barge? winked
          1. 0
            10 December 2021 11: 48
            Lloyd, too ... she ... I don’t deny ...
            what?
  9. -11
    9 December 2021 17: 06
    I do not quite understand - we are not going to attack, it is understandable - "we are peaceful people, but our armored train ..." and so on. And suppress the actions of Ukraine on its territory (which was repeatedly emphasized by the Commander-in-Chief and his talking head) - we will. This is somehow not entirely logical. What is meant by "suppression"?
  10. +6
    9 December 2021 17: 38
    Nevertheless, Moscow warns Kiev that any attempts by the Ukrainian authorities to resolve the situation in Donbas by force will be suppressed.


    The main thing is to warn in time, so that they would not have time to do something ...
    1. +1
      9 December 2021 18: 31
      Quote: cniza
      Nevertheless, Moscow warns Kiev that any attempts by the Ukrainian authorities to resolve the situation in Donbas by force will be suppressed.


      The main thing is to warn in time, so that they would not have time to do something ...

      These "partners", you know what warnings they understand.

      Greetings Victor hi
      1. +2
        9 December 2021 20: 59
        Good hi

        So here it is necessary to approach in a complex way, but somewhere strictly individually ...
  11. VLR
    +4
    9 December 2021 17: 39
    It looks like Biden has "surrendered Ukraine." At first, there was an attempt at a large-scale bluff with threats, but only those who really wanted to believe - like the Poles and the Balts - believed in it. As well as the "alternatively gifted" "Ukrainian patriots" who, due to their meagerness, simply cannot understand that after the "Euromaidan" Ukraine ceased to be a subject of international politics, turning into its object and a chessboard where the "big uncles" while away their time ". And all sorts of Zelenskiy and Kuleby on this daughter are just pawns.
    The bluff did not work, and Biden's advisors (well, not very well aware of Biden himself) "folded the cards", since they obviously did not want to be called seriously. The game, of course, is not over: they will "retake" and start a new game.
  12. 0
    9 December 2021 17: 47
    Ukrainians are being exchanged for China? - I don’t think so. We do not trade in friends, we do not sell partners. And not only can we punish those who spit in the back. I remember VVP about the inevitability of a fight. Until it shrinks to avoid.
  13. -1
    9 December 2021 18: 04
    There was no need to beat the hands of "Minsk 1-2" at the time of the LDNR, but now this haemara will periodically worsen.
  14. -1
    9 December 2021 18: 49
    You have to be bolder and bolder ... like Israel in relation to Syria. Just a little bit from a distance from the aircraft and the object is on fire.
  15. -2
    9 December 2021 20: 13
    That's terrible.
  16. +4
    9 December 2021 20: 36
    It's high time to recognize the LDNR
    1. +4
      9 December 2021 20: 48
      Quote: Alexander Chirkov-Air
      It's high time to recognize the LDNR

      not the LDNR should be recognized, but the legitimate power in Ukraine represented by the LDNR
      1. -9
        9 December 2021 20: 57
        Quote: poquello
        and the legitimate power in Ukraine represented by the LPR

        This, sorry, how? Like, how does the West recognize Tikhanovskaya as "legal"?
        1. +1
          9 December 2021 21: 19
          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
          Quote: poquello
          and the legitimate power in Ukraine represented by the LPR

          This, sorry, how? Like, how does the West recognize Tikhanovskaya as "legal"?

          Regarding the helpless woman, she is nobody, there is no reason to call it, and it’s dumber than the choice from the “friends of Belarus” to look for, well, “what is the pop ..”, the president was talking about lack of freedom in Belarus, Well, no nifiga, the freedom to go to England as a plumber))))), like Khalifa Khavtar nifontan, but he has the right
        2. +1
          9 December 2021 21: 26
          Why not? What can stop us? You?
          1. -3
            9 December 2021 21: 51
            Quote: Roman_VH
            Why not? What can stop us? You?

            That is, for seven years I prevented you from admitting?
            1. +1
              9 December 2021 22: 18
              Each vegetable has its own time. It won't touch you anyway.
        3. +1
          9 December 2021 22: 09
          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
          This, sorry, how? Like, how does the West recognize Tikhanovskaya as "legal"?

          no, it's like the west in Ukraine in 2014 wink we nullify the current power, replace our loyal and all norms. well, you remember how it was ...
          1. +1
            9 December 2021 22: 21
            Quote: SanichSan
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            This, sorry, how? Like, how does the West recognize Tikhanovskaya as "legal"?

            no, it's like the west in Ukraine in 2014 wink we nullify the current power, replace our loyal and all norms. well, you remember how it was ...

            well, I don’t go that far, we just don’t recognize the pseudo-democratic fascist dictatorship as it didn’t ensure the rights of the citizens of Ukraine, and we recognize the LDNR as a new hope with old legal rights, and further in the text - we are for integrity, etc.
  17. +2
    9 December 2021 21: 31
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    Quote: crocodoc
    It's just time to put things in order, both in the territories and in history.

    About "putting things in order in history" is a gem.

    Pearl, this is the victory of the United States over fascism and your, dear, opinion
    1. 0
      9 December 2021 21: 45
      Pearl, this is about the great ukrov, about the sea
    2. -4
      9 December 2021 21: 56
      Quote: crocodoc
      Pearl, this is the victory of the United States over fascism and your, dear, opinion

      No, this inescapable itch is to fix something in the past - here is a buckle. Time Traveler Syndrome. Go for it, what really.
      1. -1
        9 December 2021 22: 22
        What is your typical vocabulary. Braces. Whose will you be?
        1. -5
          9 December 2021 22: 29
          Quote: Roman_VH
          What is your typical vocabulary. Braces.

          I am using His Majesty Zero's glossary, what does not suit you?
          Quote: Roman_VH
          Whose will you be?

          What's the difference? This is not a closed club "just for yours", is it?
          1. -1
            9 December 2021 23: 05
            Everything is so, and most importantly, everything became clear.
            1. -3
              10 December 2021 08: 07
              Quote: Roman_VH
              Everything is so, and most importantly, everything became clear.

              Of course, it's understandable if they wipe the comment.
              what provocation? That is, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine begins to clean up Donbass, which it considers its own, then the Russian Federation, which also considers Donbass to be Ukrainian, will attack Ukraine under the pretext that it considers its actions on its own territory to be a provocation of Russia?
              and fined for him. Vigilant citizens knock, but at the same time they crucify about freedom of speech - your word... Intolerance to opinions different from yours, by the way, presented in a neutral manner - this characterizes you better than tons of urapatriotic comments. hi
  18. -1
    9 December 2021 22: 58
    Finally, after 7 years, at least we outline the possible power options.
  19. NSV
    0
    10 December 2021 07: 45
    Let's see how words do not go wrong with deeds !!!
    Apparently Putin and Biden had a good time talking. If Gerasimov, usually silent, and then such ....!
  20. -1
    10 December 2021 07: 54
    It can be expected that the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics will raise their standards to the level of those of Russia. This does not mean that the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics need to have all the weapons projects that Russia has. This means that the projects present in the armed forces of the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics meet the standards of the Russian Armed Forces.

    The consequences of this:
    1.-) The time of projects completely exhausted in the Armed Forces of Russia is also completed by the armed forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics.
    2.-) In the future, the procedure for withdrawing from any project in the armed forces of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk will most likely begin immediately after the end of the process of exhaustion of the same project in the Armed Forces of Russia, with the exception of the case with the T-64, the withdrawal from which may start after the complete exhaustion of (M) T-12 and T-54/55/62 in the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    3.-) In the Armed Forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics, there would be no place for homemade modifications and weapons.
    4.-) Between civilian materials for assisting the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics, materials that meet the military standards of the Russian Armed Forces and projects that will continue after the completion of the process of reducing materials inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union will have priority.

    Most likely, in line for help from heavy material of civilian origin:
    1.-) Ми-8/9/13/14/17/18/19/24/25/35/171/172/177
    2.-) Project 1415 (subsidiary)
    3.-) Project 745 (subsidiary)

    Most likely in line for help made of heavy military material:
    1 .-) (M) T-12 10mm
    2.-) Be-6/12
    3.-) D-30 122 mm
    4.-) Project 1204
    5.-) T-54/55/62
    6.-) BMP-1
    7.-) L-39 (auxiliary)
    8.-) Hyacinth-B 152mm
    9.-) Nona-K 120 mm
    10.-) Strela-10 SA-13
    11.-) Msta-B 152 mm
    12.-) IL-38
    13.-) BRDM-2
    14.-) BTR-70

    The first 5 projects from the military list are likely to be exhausted in the near future in the Russian Armed Forces. These are the last units of heavy military equipment with some mechanical reserve, of surplus material, which must be eliminated during the process of reducing the large fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union. It is very likely that this is material to be sent to Syria in the short term. It would be a mistake for Russia to keep them after the reduction process, taking into account that more modern material of the same types was also included in the reduction and was disposed of earlier.

    To note that the replacement of (M) T-12, D-30 and T-54/55/62 in the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics may begin as soon as they are exhausted in Russia. And "Hyacinth-B" and "Strela-10" could instead take a much more solid place.

    Taking into account that Russia is able to enforce the no-fly zone in the front line area and inland of Ukraine, from the territory of Russia, this may be enough.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    It is expected that the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk raise their standards until the level of the standards of Russia. It does not mean that the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk need to have all the projects of armament that Russia has. It means that the projects present in the military forces of the Republics of Donets and Lugansk be in agreement with the standards of the Russian Armed Forces.

    Consequences of it:
    1.-) The time of the projects totally exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces is also finished the military forces of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    2.-) In the future, the procedure for the exit of some project in the armed forces of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk very likely will begin just after the end of the process of exhaustion of the same project in the Russian Armed Forces, except in the case of the T-64 which exit can begin after the total exhaustion of the (M) T-12 and the T-54/55/62 in the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    3.-) In the Armed Forces of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk would not be place for homemade modifications and armament.
    4.-) Between the material of civilian origin for help to the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, the material that meets the military standards of the Russian Armed Forces, and is of projects to continue after the end of the process of reduction of the material inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union, would have priority.

    Most likely in line for help of heavy material of civilian origin:
    1.-) Mi-8/9/13/14/17/18/19/24/25/35/171/172/177
    2.-) Project 1415 (auxiliary)
    3.-) Project 745 (auxiliary)

    Most likely in line for help of heavy material of military origins:
    1.-) (M) T-12 10mm
    2.-) Be-6/12
    3.-) D-30 122mm
    4.-) Project 1204
    5.-) T-54/55/62
    6.-) BMP-1
    7.-) L-39 (auxiliary)
    8.-) Giatsint-B 152mm
    9.-) Nona-K 120mm
    10.-) Strela-10 SA-13
    11.-) Msta-B 152mm
    12.-) Il-38
    13.-) BRDM-2
    14.-) BTR-70

    The first 5 projects of the military list are likely to be exhausted inevitably in the Russian Armed Forces. They are the last units of heavy combat material with some mechanical reserve, of the surplus material to be eliminated in the course of the process of reduction of the large fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union. Very likely this is material to go to Syria in the short term. For Russia would be a mistake to keep them after the process of reduction, taking into account that more modern material of the same types was included also in the reduction, and was disposed earlier.

    To note that the replacement of the (M) T-12, D-30 and T-54/55/62 in the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk can begin as soon as the exhaustion of them is completed in Russia. And the Giatsint-B and the Strela-10 can take a much stronger place instead.

    Taking into account that Russia is able to enforce a no-fly zone in the area of ​​the frontline, and deeper into Ukraine, from the territory of Russia, maybe good enough.
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      10 December 2021 20: 09
      It is highly unlikely that the Russian Armed Forces will retain units (M) T-12, Be-6/12, D-30, Project 1204 and T-54/55/62 after the completion of the process of reducing the combat fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union, therefore which would mean some unnecessary mistakes in the pruning process:

      1.-) Keeping (M) T-12 and T-54/55/62 units instead of T-64 units would be an avoidable mistake.
      2.-) Storing Be- / 7/12 units instead of more Tu-22 units would be an avoidable error. This would have exacerbated the error of saving the IL-38 (I commented on this in a previous comment). It would also be a mistake when compared with the utilized Tu-95/142 units.
      3.-) Storing D-30 units instead of M-46 units would be an avoidable error.
      4.-) Saving 1204 project units instead of more 1241 project units (1/7/8) would be an avoidable error.

      In fact, all cases would be worse mistakes than the mothballing of the Il-38, and it is highly unlikely that the Russian Armed Forces will retain the units of these projects after the completion of the process of reducing the combat fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union.

      They are all part of the surplus material that should have been left unchanged during the reduction process. If something needs to be replaced, the material to be replaced will be units of ongoing projects that have recently been disposed of.

      I do not expect a delay in the release of this material by the Russian Armed Forces, because this would mean an unnecessary delay in completing the process of reducing the combat fleets. The downsizing process for auxiliary fleets is less advanced and will continue.

      The logical place for them would be Syria, and maybe Iraq.

      (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

      It is very unlikely that the Russian Armed Forces keep units of the (M) T-12, Be-6/12, D-30, Project 1204 and T-54/55/62, after the end of the process of reduction of the combat fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union, because it would mean some unnecessary mistakes in the process of reduction:

      1.-) The conservation of units of the (M) T-12 and the T-54/55/62 instead of units of T-64 would be a mistake that is possible to avoid.
      2.-) The conservation of units of the Be- / 7/12 instead of more units of the Tu-22 would be a mistake that is possible to avoid. It would make worse the mistake of the conservation of the Il-38 (I commented about it in a previous comment). And also would be a mistake if compared with the disposed units of Tu-95/142.
      3.-) The conservation of units of the D-30 instead of units of M-46 would be a mistake that can be avoided.
      4.-) The conservation of units of the Project 1204 instead of more units of the Project 1241 (1/7/8) would be a mistake that can be avoided.

      In fact all the cases would be worse mistakes than the conservation of the Il-38, and it is very unlikely to see the Russian Armed Forces conserving units of these projects after the end of the process of reduction of the combat fleets inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union.

      All of them are part of the surplus material that was to go without replacement in the process of reduction. If something would require replacement, the material to be replaced would be the units of the projects to continue, disposed of most recently.

      I do not expect a delay in the exit of this material of the Russian Armed Forces because it would mean an unnecessary delay in the end of the reduction process for the combat fleets. The process of reduction for the auxiliary fleets is less advanced, and will continue.

      The logical place for them would be Syria, and maybe Iraq.
  21. +1
    10 December 2021 22: 48
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    No, this inescapable itch is to fix something in the past - here is a buckle. Time Traveler Syndrome. Go for it, what really.

    Funny, especially about itching. Tell this to your neighbors, Belarusians. As an ethnic Ukrainian raised in the USSR, it is rather difficult for me to UNDERSTAND why the monuments to Ulyanov should be destroyed? He, in fact, created the Ukrainian SSR. You, dear, do not even understand what you want to talk about. In WWII and the Great Patriotic War, the USSR won. That's for sure. Refute.
  22. lot
    -2
    11 December 2021 10: 59
    how will he stop, if he is not a party to the conflict?
    either underpants or a cross.