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Church in the Stalinist era in the USSR: exposing by historians of the myths of the perestroika period

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Exposing myths, exposing the debunkers of myths, historiography and pseudohistoriography - this is what today is intertwined into a real tangle, which is practically impossible to untangle. Some historians are trying to portray other historians - colleagues in the shop - as complete ignoramuses, pseudo-historians and lovers of all kinds of conspiracy trends appear, which is why a thick mess of truth and untruth, myths and facts, fictions and interpretations is brewing.


One of the areas that has been actively discussed in recent years is associated with the activities of Joseph Stalin as head of the Soviet state. Stalin and literature, Stalin and agriculture, Stalin and the general party line, Stalin and art, etc. The theme of the existence and functioning of the church under Joseph Stalin stands out. At the same time, opinions in this case, whether based on facts or not, are often diametrically opposed.

If some historians write that during the Stalin era, the Russian Orthodox Church in our country experienced almost the worst period in its stories, then others believe that all these are myths that appear from liberal means, the history of misinterpreting. Some say that under Stalin, the church and the Orthodox were persecuted, others point out that Stalin himself was at one time a seminarian, and therefore did not feel any incredible negativity towards religion. There is also a point of view that if it were not for Stalin, the church in our country could have ceased to exist altogether.

At the same time, not everyone draws the boundaries of the periods of the attitude of the authorities of the USSR to the church: before the war, during the war and after it.

Andrei Fursov and Nikolai Sapelkin reflect on the church in the era of Stalin in the USSR on the Den channel, noting that they are exposing the myths of the perestroika period:

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 8 December 2021 15: 18
    +6
    Some historians are trying to portray other historians - colleagues in the shop - as complete ignoramuses, pseudo-historians and lovers of all kinds of conspiracy trends appear, which is why a thick mess of truth and untruth, myths and facts, fictions and interpretations is brewing.
    All scientific degrees from Gorbachev to Yeltsin should be canceled. And from warm offices to the dustbin of history, so as not to spoil. And there will be peace and grace.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 15: 24
      +6
      Just two things to note:
      1. Read "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda."
      2. The reflections of some historians resemble the rhetoric of politicians that they only know how to flutter their tongues.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 8 December 2021 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Just two things to note:
        1.

        At least 10 hi
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 15: 29
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          At least 10

          I didn't have time - I pressed the wrong key ... hi
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 8 December 2021 15: 32
        +23
        The ROC was going through the worst times during that period for the obvious reason - it was excommunicated from the state feeding trough. But now - uuuuuu .... Only the crunch is worth it.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 8 December 2021 15: 46
          .
          Quote: paul3390
          The Russian Orthodox Church was going through the worst times during that period for the obvious reason - it was excommunicated from the state feeding trough.

          and the massive repression of clergy is not an obvious enough reason?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 15: 52
            +12
            Quote: Flood
            and the massive repression of clergy is not an obvious enough reason?

            Young man! For what reason were they repressed? For adherence to Orthodoxy or for helping counter-revolutionary elements and preaching against Soviet power?
            You are so sympathetic that it remains to wish you to leave the VO site and go to watch the Soyuz TV channel, becoming its sponsor.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 December 2021 15: 58
              -5
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Young man!

              address your neighbor in a similar way.
              even an elderly old man is unacceptable to address a 48-year-old man
              Quote: ROSS 42
              For what reason were they repressed? For adherence to Orthodoxy or for helping counter-revolutionary elements and preaching against Soviet power?

              you read the first attentive comment to which I answered
              Quote: paul3390
              The Russian Orthodox Church was going through the worst times during that period for the obvious reason - it was excommunicated from the state feeding trough.

              even your venerable age should not be a hindrance to understanding that I did not write about the reasons for the repression
              Quote: ROSS 42
              You are so sympathetic that it remains to wish you to leave the site "VO"

              but this is completely stupid and completely cultureless
              it's not for you, grandfather, to decide who to read VO and who to write comments here
              it's not yet time for repression
              do not climb in front of the locomotive
              but climb better on the stove to warm the sand in the kidneys and try not to sparkle with the sharp edges of your intellect
            2. datura23
              datura23 8 December 2021 16: 15
              .
              Why should disagreement with Soviet ideology be punishable by death?
              What did Lenin say and write about the church? is he not possessed?
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 16: 37
                +7
                Quote: datura23
                Why should disagreement with Soviet ideology be punishable by death?

                And where and when were they punished with death for disagreement with Soviet ideology?
                Quote: datura23
                What did Lenin say and write about the church?

                In Russian, proper names are written with a capital letter. This is for those who studied poorly at school. Among other things, he said that the Church suffers from clericalism, where is he wrong? Lenin said: “The powerlessness of the exploited classes in the struggle against the exploiters inevitably gives rise to faith in a better afterlife just as the powerlessness of the savage in the struggle against nature gives rise to faith in gods, devils, miracles, etc., of the One who works all his life and needs , religion teaches humility and patience in earthly life, consoling the hope of a heavenly reward. And for those who live by other people's labor, religion teaches charity in earthly life, offering them a very cheap excuse for their entire exploitative existence and selling tickets to heavenly well-being at a reasonable price. Religion is the opium of the people. Religion is a kind of spiritual futility, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demands for a life worthy of a human being. “Where is he wrong? Proceed?
                Quote: datura23
                is he not possessed

                Better go to the Savior with your demons, they will understand you there.
                1. datura23
                  datura23 9 December 2021 07: 10
                  -2
                  on the Savior there is no such abundance of opinions, everything is with each other in the world.))) Every day, the Church commemorates, among others, the KILLED and MORTURED in Soviet prisons and camps by NAME. Documented is a must for canonization. Lenin does not deserve that his accursed name be written with a capital letter, Stalin deserves, but Ulyanov does not. We don't capitalize the name of the devil ...
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 09: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: datura23
                    Lenin does not deserve that his accursed name be written with a capital letter, Stalin deserves, but Ulyanov does not. We don't capitalize the name of the devil ...

                    “The narrow-mindedness of the thinking of some“ churched Christians ”amazes my imagination. Many of them have never read not only the Bible, but even the New Testament, but undertake to judge things that are not yet morally“ grown up. ”Patriarch Tikhon, by the way canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church, as the confessor and saint said the following about Lenin:
                    The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church expresses its sincere regret over the death of the great liberator of our people from the kingdom of great violence and oppression on the path of complete freedom and self-reliance. May the bright image of the great fighter and sufferer for the freedom of the oppressed, for the ideas of universal true brotherhood live continuously in the hearts of those who remain, and shines brightly for everyone in the struggle to achieve complete happiness for people on earth. We know that the people loved him deeply ... May the coming centuries not blot out in memory the people's road to his grave, the cradle of freedom of all mankind. The great dead have often spoken to the mind and heart of the survivors over the centuries. May this from now on, this silent grave be an incessant tribune from generation to generation for those who wish themselves happiness. Eternal memory and eternal rest for your long-suffering, kind and Christian soul. "
                    News No. 20 of January 25, 1924.
                    After Lenin's death, many parishes and lay people turned to the Patriarch with the question: can they serve a requiem for Vladimir Ilyich? Tikhon replied: "According to the canons of the Orthodox Church, it is forbidden to serve a requiem and commemorate in church services a deceased who was excommunicated during his lifetime ... But Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was not excommunicated from the Orthodox Church by the highest ecclesiastical authority, and therefore every believer has the right and the opportunity to commemorate Ideally, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and I, of course, diverged, but I have information about him as a man of the kindest and truly Christian soul. "
                    Evening Moscow on January 25, 1924.
                    And about the representatives of the church and their struggle against the Soviet regime, he said:
                    "... Conscious of His fault before the Soviet power, expressed in a number of Our passive and active anti-Soviet actions, as it is said in the indictment of the Supreme Court, that is, in resisting the decree on the confiscation of church values ​​in favor of the starving, anathematizing the Soviet power, an appeal against the Peace of Brest, etc. We are in the duty of a Christian and an archpastor - we repent of this and grieve for the sacrifices resulting from this anti-Soviet policy. "
                    Patriarch Tikhon, 1923.
                    These are the clergy who deserve respect, despite our "some ideological contradictions."
                    1. datura23
                      datura23 9 December 2021 09: 58
                      -2
                      the holy synod was abolished because it spoke not for the Church, but for oneself beloved. Do not be amazed at being narrow-minded.
                      1. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 10: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: datura23
                        the holy synod was abolished because it spoke not for the Church, but for oneself beloved. Do not be amazed at being narrow-minded.

                        You know, as for me, the ROC departed from His Commandments, back in the 15th (if I am not mistaken) century, taking the side of the "Josephites" in the dispute between the "non-possessors" and "Josephites". Google who it is if you don't know.
                      2. datura23
                        datura23 9 December 2021 13: 45
                        -1
                        I know, but your opinion about where the Church is heading does not in the least change the outcome of where she will come, in Scripture it says with complete certainty, there will be the end of the world and the destruction of the earth by God as such, and after it the judgment. "And there will be a new Heaven and a new earth."
                        The Church has nothing to acquire in this world. But it is not for Her member to judge Her.
                      3. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 13: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: datura23
                        The Church has nothing to acquire in this world.

                        Ha ha ha! Take off your rose-colored glasses and watch the fat characters in robes and limousines. What did Sergius of Radonezh, for example, have? The church today serves only two things, power and self-enrichment.
                    2. datura23
                      datura23 10 December 2021 11: 41
                      +1
                      you pass off yours for our narrow-mindedness. The memorial service is not a reward. It can be served according to any baptized person, if at least one ordained priest had the desire. I have not heard of the service "rest with the saints" according to Lenin
                      1. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 10 December 2021 12: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: datura23
                        Memorial service is not a reward

                        And what's the funeral service to do with it? We are talking, among other things, about these words: "Ideally, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and I, of course, diverged, but I have information about him as a man of the kindest and truly Christian soul." And about these: "May the bright image of the great fighter and sufferer for the freedom of the oppressed, for the ideas of universal true brotherhood live continuously in the hearts of those who remain, and shines brightly for everyone in the struggle to achieve complete happiness for people on earth." This means that Patriarch Tikhon sincerely respected V.I. Lenin, although he disagreed with him in views. Lenin and his comrades-in-arms, unlike many "churched Christians", observed one of the most important Commandments: "Do with others as you would like, what would be done to you."
                  2. ivan2022
                    ivan2022 10 December 2021 06: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: datura23
                    Every day the Church commemorates, among others, the KILLED and MORTURED in Soviet prisons and camps NAME

                    1. There are 3 main topics on the TV channel "Spas"; commercial advertising, theology with obligatory anti-Sovietism, showing of Soviet films.
                    2. The church is believers. And those about whom you are the apparatus of the Patriarchy. In fact, an appendage of the ideological bloc of "United Russia".
                    3. You should grow up at least a little! You don't understand what any adult should understand; The laws of the USSR were not persecuted for the Faith, they persecuted just the enemies of the Church. This means that the persecution "for the Faith" had one of two reasons;
                    4. Or persecution for cooperation with the ROCOR (which was and is a branch of the special services of the West).
                    5. Or persecution as crimes against the government, law and the State. With the aim of undermining statehood or gaining personal benefits.
                    6. Many have unfortunately been brainwashed and inserted upside down; they perceive crimes against the Law, the state and the authorities as crimes of the authorities themselves. Heh ... heh .... if the character of Dumas in the novel "The Count of Monte Cristo" was imprisoned "for politics" not in the Château d'If, but in the Soviet Gulag, it would have been a "crime of the anti-popular government against the people."
                2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 9 December 2021 18: 03
                  0
                  Patriarch Tikhon - an example or add?
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 18: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                    Patriarch Tikhon - an example or add?

                    An example of what? Didn't understand your comment.
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 11: 58
                -1
                Quote: datura23
                Why should disagreement with Soviet ideology be punishable by death?
                What did Lenin say and write about the church? is he not possessed?

                And who told you that they were repressed, whoever it was, for disagreeing with Soviet ideology?
                They repressed anyone, not for disagreeing with ideology, but for acts aimed at overthrowing the Sov. authorities. And this, I hope you understand, are two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
                1. datura23
                  datura23 10 December 2021 12: 05
                  +1
                  in most cases of executed priests there is evidence given by informers and defendants. Not a revolutionary government, but any other - legal, on their basis would never have passed a sentence, much less a higher measure. For revolutionaries, the law is not written. For me, for example, that Turchinsky, that Lenin is one vile Caudle.
            3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 9 December 2021 18: 01
              -1
              And where is he wrong? Or did the Orthodox priests call to kill in the streets and overthrow the government? You didn’t serve in the political department of the regimental for an hour? The mentor tone is familiar to short-course apologists ...
              1. ivan2022
                ivan2022 10 December 2021 06: 58
                -1
                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                You didn’t serve in the political department of the regimental for an hour?

                And you are not a member of the EP for an hour?
                1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 10 December 2021 09: 41
                  0
                  What, got close to the truth? "Although I am not a communist, but I love my homeland too" (c) ... Your evaluation criteria, mmm ...
                  1. ivan2022
                    ivan2022 10 December 2021 09: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                    What, got close to the truth?

                    Heh .. heh .... I guess I just hit the top ten. That's why the "criteria" ..... mmm ..
              2. ivan2022
                ivan2022 10 December 2021 09: 58
                -1
                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                Or did the Orthodox priests call to kill in the streets and overthrow the government? You didn’t serve in the political department of the regimental for an hour?

                But who else ... "during it" wrote in the newspapers that some "Orthodox" were caught distributing literature received from the United States through the ROCOR. Some on the currency on the same basis ..... I do not think this is anything incredible.

                Yes, and right now you also got caught ... on the fact that a person "who was in the political department" 30-40 years ago now has to defend his convictions. Therefore - they were and are! But for you - it is possible that you just have to make money on bread on sites, in this way ...
              3. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 10 December 2021 12: 24
                -1
                Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                Or did the Orthodox priests call to kill in the streets and overthrow the government?

                Weren't there such cases? And the same thing happened with Muslim priests.
          2. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 8 December 2021 15: 59
            +16
            Where did you see the massive repression of priests? In the archive I worked with the documents of the repressed, so there are very few priests there, and most of them under articles like "banditry", etc. I remember well the case of a priest who was sentenced to 10 years for participation in a gang, anti-Soviet agitation, attacks on government officials and, what is most ridiculous, possession of weapons. This bearded bandit kept in the altar under the tabernacle in a cache a Maxim machine gun, either 5 or 7 revolvers revolvers, and three-ruled 5 pieces. But the Cheka worked honestly and was packed into camps for 10 years. But in the 2000s, nuns from a local monastery (I don’t remember what it’s called, it occupied a large part of our 354 District Military Clinical Hospital) went to the archives and indiscriminately put everyone on the list for canonization simply by the word “priest”. Bandits, murderers, robbers, arsonists - priest or deacon - means a saint.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 04
              .
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              Where did you see the massive repression of priests? I worked in the archive with the documents of the repressed, so there are very few priests there.

              sorry, I didn’t work in the archives myself
              I don't know you personally
              and therefore research on this topic is more credible than your words about where you worked

              https://www.pravmir.ru/pravovoe-obespecenie-represii/#sdfootnote39anc
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 8 December 2021 16: 11
                +10
                And I somehow believe more in the documents that I personally read smile
                And then when I remember nonsense like "they gave 10 years for an anecdote on Article 58," I laugh for a long time. I read the Criminal Code of those times. on the 58th they could give 10 years only at the front or for anti-Sovietism in the media.
                By the way, I liked the definition of "historians" regarding the "inhuman law" from religious groups and communities from 1929. Very inhuman. The priests were banned from doing business and forced to pay taxes. In short, they made me live by the Bible.
                And you can find this law and the Criminal Code on the Internet. In general, there are a lot of interesting things that in no way correspond to the delirium of "perestroika historians" such as Solzhenitsyn, Rezun-Suvorov, and other similar "truth seekers", or rather, scoundrels and scoundrels.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 12
                  -6
                  Quote: Stroibat stock
                  I somehow believe more in the documents that I personally read

                  and I don’t make you believe me
                  and I ask you for reciprocity
                  1. Reserve buildbat
                    Reserve buildbat 8 December 2021 16: 16
                    +5
                    I just reported interesting, in my opinion, facts. If you are interested - read it, if not - then no. I, too, in no way force me to drop everything and run to study the documents. I just laughed for a long time at the inconsistency of "eyewitness testimony" with the norms of the law. And, as far as I remember, there is such a wonderful saying: "he lies as an eyewitness." It is very easy to verify the correctness of this statement. Ask several people to describe someone or someone they just saw in a short time. And compare the readings
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 27
                      -5
                      Quote: Stroibat stock
                      I just reported interesting, in my opinion, facts. If you are interested - read it, if not - then no.

                      these "interesting facts" were shared by all and sundry.
                      from Khrushchev's report on the cult of personality and ending with the works of Solzhenitsyn.
                      perverted and sullied history in such a way that goosebumps.
                      I'm immune to such revelations.
                    2. Andrey VOV
                      Andrey VOV 8 December 2021 17: 52
                      +2
                      It is very dangerous to often rely on the testimony of witnesses and eyewitnesses, so to speak, in hot pursuit ...
                  2. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 8 December 2021 17: 08
                    +4
                    Quote: Flood
                    and I don’t make you believe me
                    and I ask you for reciprocity
                    Cool. lol That is, a person should not believe you, because you do not believe him, due to the fact that you do not know what documents he read, because you think that you read real documents, and not bullshit like the works of Rezun-Suvorov. But you think that you read the documents without ever going into the archive, and the person who found the documents in the archive cannot tell the truth because his words are at odds with your opinion. Eight points.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 10
                      -6
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      That is, a person should not believe you because you do not believe him.

                      I do not believe the words of a stranger to me
                      and I think it's normal
                      you need to prove your case
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 13: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood
                        you need to prove your case

                        I would add - arguments. What do you have? - Blah blah blah.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 10 December 2021 20: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I would add - arguments. What do you have? - Blah blah blah.

                        did you join this conversation to write blah blah blah?
                        how cute.
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 23: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood

                        did you join this conversation to write blah blah blah?

                        Look, "Stroibat Reserve" provided an argument -
                        Quote: Stroibat stock

                        And then when I remember nonsense like "they gave 10 years for an anecdote on Article 58," I laugh for a long time. I read the Criminal Code of those times. on the 58th they could give 10 years only at the front or for anti-Sovietism in the media.
                        By the way, I liked the definition of "historians" regarding the "inhuman law" from religious groups and communities from 1929. Very inhuman. The priests were banned from doing business and forced to pay taxes. In short, they made me live by the Bible.
                        And you can find this law and the Criminal Code on the Internet.

                        What argument did you give in response?
                        Simple blah blah blah.
                        Your picture of the world is written under the words of ardent anti-Sovietists and Russophobes. And you do not hear other words. Why? Why are you in Sov. do the authorities see only the bad? If this power had only bad things, it simply would not have taken place. You say - "But it collapsed!" Yes, Sov. power destroyed people like you. But the Romanov empire also collapsed. And many other empires have collapsed.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 11 December 2021 08: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        What argument did you give in response?

                        the construction battalion somehow confirmed his words?
                        this is required by the elementary rules of the dispute.
                        I clearly wrote that I do not trust unfounded statements
                        only facts
                        and that's ok for any kind of discussion
                        especially when discussing with a stranger
                        why do I have to explain elementary things to you?
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Why are you in Sov. do the authorities see only the bad?

                        because you are idle talker
                        and again you can’t confirm your lie
                        I never scolded Soviet power
                        I am a Soviet man
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        , Sov. power destroyed people like you

                        would gladly give it in the eye for this dirt
                        I hate liars and pussies
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 11 December 2021 08: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        I would love to give it in the eye

                        The eye has a master, do not forget about it. Otherwise, your "pleasure" will turn into bitter regret.
                        Quote: Flood
                        the construction battalion somehow confirmed his words?

                        And those who spoke about hundreds of thousands of tortured and murdered clergymen, how did you confirm their statements?
                        Or was one Yasenetsky enough for you?
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 11 December 2021 09: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        The eye has a master, do not forget about it. Otherwise, your "pleasure" will turn into bitter regret.

                        do not forget about it when you blame people
                        leave babskoy women
                        but to give it to the eye is not a sin

                        to consolidate the material I will repeat
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Sov. power destroyed people like you.

                        just like you
                        those who do not know how to answer for their words
                        but they spoke at one time from three boxes
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And those who spoke about hundreds of thousands of tortured and murdered clergymen, how did you confirm their statements?

                        Why spawn entities?
                        I gave one link, and I thought that this was enough for that moment

                        no one criticized her and questioned her
                        hundreds of thousands is your fiction
                        you again confirm my thesis that you are not telling the truth
                        before the revolution, there were either 130 or 150 thousand people in the staff of priests, clerks, etc.
                        across the empire
                        learn to write and tell the truth
              2. victor50
                victor50 8 December 2021 17: 33
                +7
                Quote: Flood
                therefore, research on this topic is more credible than your words about where you worked

                Especially if they do not fit into your picture of the world. Isn't it?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 38
                  -3
                  Quote: victor50
                  Especially if they do not fit into your picture of the world. Isn't it?

                  without a doubt
                  and it can be applied to anyone, including you.
                  because your worldview does not take shape from scratch.
                  it is the fruit of the years lived and the comprehension of life experience.
                  and when you suddenly hear an excellent point of view, then taking it on faith, you thereby recognize the insignificance of your life experience.
                  a reasonable person will ask you to substantiate this other point of view in order to understand its validity.
                  is not it?
              3. ivan2022
                ivan2022 10 December 2021 07: 03
                -1
                Quote: Flood
                research on this topic is more credible than your words about where you worked


                And what if a priest, so he could not cooperate with the ROCOR?
                (Which is a branch of Western intelligence.)
                Or could he not behave, how to put it mildly ... not quite decently? Maybe for this very thing ... and not for Vera?
            2. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 16: 42
              +3
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              This bearded bandit kept in the altar under the tabernacle in a cache a Maxim machine gun, either 5 or 7 revolvers revolvers, and three-ruled 5 pieces. But the Cheka worked honestly and was packed into camps for 10 years.

              The "evil komunyaki" reacted gently to him, I wonder how much he would be given today for such sins.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 8 December 2021 23: 07
                +2
                yes 20 years I think ... storage .. terrorism .. participation in ter. gang .. attack on employees with weapons ..
            3. datura23
              datura23 9 December 2021 10: 04
              -2
              I have a calendar on my phone with the commemoration of saints for every day, there are 50-50 tortured in the Roman Empire and those who were KILLED or died in the camp, the confessors. These people were numbered on the basis of archival documents - otherwise the process of modern canonization does not work. So, do not lie that the red government did not kill on a religious basis. Most of the repressed priesthood, due to their financial insolvency or conscientiousness, simply could not afford to emigrate. Read about the ordeals of Voino-Yasenetsky - and this is not the last and extremely necessary specialist in those years, but what to say about the rank and file.
              1. ivan2022
                ivan2022 10 December 2021 07: 38
                -1
                Quote: datura23
                do not lie that the red government did not kill on a religious basis.

                If the "red power" had to "kill on a religious basis" - it would have passed laws, as in Ancient Rome, which you very opportunely remembered. And you should take it, and at your leisure, ponder a simple question: "Maybe the whole point is not in religious principles, but simply in the fact that the" red power "was in confrontation with the West, and the USSR was a politically independent state?
                1. datura23
                  datura23 10 December 2021 11: 38
                  +1
                  a strange confrontation with the West, we threaten them with a world revolution, we call on their proletarians to unite, and they build factories and dams for us, give us loans. I don’t believe one iota in the confrontation with the West from 17 to 24 and from 53 to 2014, but I believe that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is a bridge between the power of money and the Russian people. Since then, only 2 individuals have opposed themselves to the desire of the Western authorities to digest Russians (in a broad sense) and to the final degeneration of Russia. No matter how late it is. Stalin banned abortion and my parents were born, but Putin cannot. Tajikistan and Uzbekistan will share our territory. And Russia has no other future because the nation of child-killers with 7 abortions per woman does not deserve - nothing.
                  1. ivan2022
                    ivan2022 10 December 2021 14: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: datura23
                    a strange confrontation with the West, we threaten them with a world revolution, we call on their proletarians to unite, and they build factories and dams for us, give us loans.

                    The strange thing is that you don’t know History or pretend that you don’t know. Before the West began to "give loans and build dams," there was an intervention and the creation of white armies in the territories temporarily occupied by Germany, Japan, and France. The British, for example, during civil times, fired at Russian villages from ships ...What surprises you that the West is not one single state? But it is so. They have their own contradictions. And now the West trades with the DPRK, and China is tightly connected with the West. But this does not negate the confrontation. In general, you have some very strange ideas about the world around you.
                    1. datura23
                      datura23 11 December 2021 19: 01
                      +1
                      everything was and everything will be, but the factories with American cars of the 30's are standing and still working, he himself worked on them / Why was it to the West, if there were such serious contradictions? There were none, they all serve the same master
              2. ivan2022
                ivan2022 10 December 2021 07: 46
                0
                Quote: datura23
                those who were KILLED or died in the camp, clergy

                And what, criminals, as well as traitors in the camps did not die? But only the righteous? And what, according to the laws of the USSR, all criminals had to be released, and all the righteous should have been killed? Here are the consequences of brainwashing - a person believes that the state has worked to the detriment of his interests. The laws of the USSR are righteous, and the righteous were killed .... Now, on the contrary, the laws are not righteous, but the "righteous" drive "Merciers" .......
          3. paul3390
            paul3390 8 December 2021 16: 15
            +6
            It remains to tell - for what they were repressed? The overwhelming majority is certainly not for faith. Or do you think that the cassock gives the wearer immunity from the law?
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 28
              -3
              Quote: paul3390
              It remains to tell - why they were repressed

              write, I am not holding your hands.
              how much, when and for what.

              Quote: paul3390
              do you think that the cassock gives the wearer immunity from the law

              no cassock, no uniform, no mandate, no wallet
              shouldn't anyway
            2. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 8 December 2021 16: 43
              +8
              The priests think so. The cassock gives immunity from the law. Judging by what is happening around.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 8 December 2021 18: 03
                +3
                Quote: Stroibat stock
                The priests think so. The cassock gives immunity from the law. Judging by what is happening around.

                We had three churches in the village, two on our side of the river, the other on the Cossack.
                Under Khrushchev, only one was left.
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 8 December 2021 18: 31
                  +1
                  It is logical. There was no one to rob, people stopped carrying money to the priests, and taxes had to be paid, so they closed themselves.
                  Education just appeared in your village to be normal, and not the central school of the priest
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 8 December 2021 20: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    There was no one to rob, people stopped carrying money to the priests, and taxes had to be paid, so they closed themselves.

                    you, of course, know better what and how it was in an unknown village
                    you are more and more credible

                    https://newsland.com/community/4765/content/khrushchev-i-tserkov/6760687

                    about Khrushchev's struggle with the church
                    mind you, the same Khrushchev who does not enjoy special love among the people
                    unlike Stalin
                    and the memory of the people is much more favorable to Brezhnev
                    1. Reserve buildbat
                      Reserve buildbat 9 December 2021 10: 03
                      0
                      One can judge about the "merits" of the church not only by the groans of the priest, but also by the popular names of priests such as "miroed", by dozens of priests whom the peasants themselves threw from the bell towers. And not the "kgovy Bolsheviks", but the very lay people who lived in the same villages with those priests. Incidentally, the Bolshevik authorities did not approve of such incidents.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 10 December 2021 22: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        One can judge about the "merits" of the church not only by the priest's groans, but also by the popular names of priests such as "the world-eater"

                        I'm just about ordinary people and I'm writing
                        not about priests
                        but you are the first to deny them: "slaves", "irresponsible", "drugged"
                        and I believe that believers have the right to the faith of their grandfathers
                        everything is simple
                        and it's not about priests

                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        dozens of priests, whom the peasants themselves threw from the bell towers

                        it was different
                        and rivers flowed into civilian blood
                        and sometimes did not spare anyone, neither old nor small

                        "God forbid seeing a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"
                      2. Reserve buildbat
                        Reserve buildbat 11 December 2021 11: 16
                        0
                        Absolutely agree. Believers have the right to the faith of their grandfathers, so the priests who brought Jewish tales to Russia should have been hung up right away. They could not, because the Russian beliefs were humane and humane, in contrast to the priest's.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 11 December 2021 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Stroibat stock
                        Believers have the right to the faith of their grandfathers, so the priests who brought Jewish tales to Russia should have been hung right away

                        you are a thousand years late with your advice
                        now the faith of grandfathers and great-grandfathers is Orthodox
                        whether you like it or not
                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 10 December 2021 15: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: Flood
                      wow Khrushchev, who does not enjoy special love among the people
                      unlike Stalin
                      and the memory of the people is much more favorable to Brezhnev

                      Especially in the villages, everyone remembers when Mikitka removed all the livestock from the farmstead, but there were no cows and pigs, there was famine in the village.
                2. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 13: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: tihonmarine

                  We had three churches in the village, two on our side of the river, the other on the Cossack.
                  Under Khrushchev, only one was left.

                  Who left? Power? Or the church authorities?
                  In Soviet times, I went to the church in the village of Ilyinskoye. The service was going on. Two old women were present. At the end of the service, I asked the priest to see the church. He allowed. In the 90s, the church, which by that time was inactive due to the absence of parishioners, was robbed, but the police worked well. The robbers were taken on the road to Kostroma.
                  Icons and church utensils did not return to the church - they were transferred to the Ipatiev Monastery.
                  And Sov. there was no power, and Khrushchev, and the church was closed.
                  What are we going to say? Who shall we blame?
                  It is easy to verify my words - the village of Ilyinskoye, Susaninsky district, Kostroma region.
                  http://www.temples.ru/card.php?ID=12651
            3. ivan2022
              ivan2022 10 December 2021 14: 36
              -1
              Quote: paul3390
              It remains to tell - for what they were repressed?

              This is important! The rehabilitation process was launched at a terrible speed and was carried out by "troikas" in the 50s, 60s, 90s precisely so that criminal cases could be destroyed. If someone is rehabilitated, the case is destroyed and only the memory of the article under which he was imprisoned remains. And no "for what exactly and what was the evidence?" can no longer be.
          4. tatra
            tatra 8 December 2021 17: 03
            -1
            You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, have more “destroyed” Cossacks than there were of them in general, and there are more “destroyed” priests than there were.
            And you justify or "do not notice" the political repressions and executions under the Romanovs, and the brutal church repressions in pre-revolutionary Russia - from the burning of people alive, to the exile of people to hard labor for 15 years, and throwing people for years in stone and earthen "sacks" in monasteries, in comparison with which your beloved GULAG is a Rest House.
            And by totalitarianly imposing religion on the territory of the USSR you captured, you all proved that you don’t give a damn about "God's commandments."
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 07
              -3
              Quote: tatra
              You, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people

              it is not clear to whom you are addressing your accusation
              isn't it me?

              if so, why do you call me "an enemy of the USSR and the Soviet people"?
              such harsh words need justification
              1. tatra
                tatra 8 December 2021 17: 16
                -4
                Yes, the people on the territory of the USSR all 104 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet. And your, anti-Soviet people always, both under the USSR and after the capture of the USSR, pretended to be and pretend to be those who are beneficial to you at the moment, and the real you are only when you have no benefit to lie and hypocrite. So it is with your religion.
                You are not able to prove what benefit she and the priests brought to Russia and the Russian people in the Republic of Ingushetia and in the Russian Federation, but the atheist Bolsheviks in your country were OBLIGED to leave all the religious buildings and all the anti-Soviet priests. Don't touch them.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 21
                  -5
                  Quote: tatra
                  Yes, the people on the territory of the USSR all 104 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet. And your, anti-Soviet people always, both under the USSR and after the capture of the USSR, pretended to be and pretend to be those who are beneficial to you at the moment, and the real you are only when you have no benefit to lie and hypocrite.

                  looks like anathema
                  will you not be a priest?
                  or is it something spiritual?

                  it would be better if they tried to explain your offensive comment by correlating it with my words.
                  but no, this is not for you.
                  easier to pour a tub of shit and at the same time rant about morality.

                  that is, that simple peasant people that I remember from my youth, who baptized in the evenings in front of the icons, who plowed from dawn to dawn - he is anti-Soviet.

                  and you, pouring out your indignation on the keyboard and stigmatizing all dissidents with your slogans, are truly Soviet, a true orthodox.
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 8 December 2021 17: 30
                    -2
                    Yes, I don’t need your spiteful verbiage.
                    Who, starting with the anti-Soviet / anti-communist Perestroika, are squealing about
                    massive repression of clergy
                    ?
                    Who has been planting religion on the territory of the USSR since Perestroika?
                    Only enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. And there is no need to pretend to be "offended innocence".
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 33
                      -3
                      Quote: tatra
                      I don’t need your spiteful verbiage

                      No doubt
                      it is much more pleasant for you to slander others
                      Quote: tatra
                      Who has been planting religion on the territory of the USSR since Perestroika?
                      Only enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people

                      who is trying to split Russian society by attacks on Orthodoxy?
                      enemies of Russia. the very ones that were not so long ago enemies of the USSR.
                      Quote: tatra
                      And there is no need to pretend to be "offended innocence".

                      you didn’t explain your misbehavior in any way
                      but stubbornly continue in the same spirit
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 8 December 2021 17: 39
                        -4
                        And why YOU, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, think that you have the right to attack everything Soviet, but YOUR nothing can be touched?
                        And what do you think, Orthodoxy, and what benefit did you bring to the Russian people, planting it in the captured RSFSR?
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: tatra
                        And why YOU, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, think that you have the right to attack everything Soviet

                        well no.
                        I believe that you are the real anti-Soviet!
                        you and others like you.
                        who are ready to trample anyone who disagrees.
                        who scribbled thousands of anonymous letters because they saw enemies of the people around them.
                        who do not know how to come to an agreement in society and engage in creation.

                        and I did not attack the Soviet.
                        nowhere and never!
                        you again write a slander, not caring about the evidence.
                      3. tatra
                        tatra 8 December 2021 17: 50
                        -2
                        Well, yes, the classic cowardly behavior of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people is to respond to all accusations against them according to the principle of "defense through attack."
                        And you have not been able to prove why you need religion and your priests, whom you, and not "you", enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, impose on the Russian people.
                        Good luck . It is useless to try to achieve adequacy from you.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: tatra
                        classic cowardly behavior of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people

                        do not put an equal sign between yourself and the Soviet people
                        Quote: tatra
                        You have not been able to prove why you need religion and your priests

                        it is enough for me that my grandfathers and great-grandfathers needed them, so as not to ask such narrow-minded questions
                        Quote: tatra
                        It is useless to try to achieve adequacy from you

                        wipe yourself off and go
                      5. lucul
                        lucul 9 December 2021 00: 11
                        -4
                        "And you have not been able to prove why you need religion and your priests, whom you, and not" you ", the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, impose on the Russian people."

                        Fuuuuuhhh ... this topic is so vast and deep that you don't even know right away what to answer.
                        If you look quite roughly, then a person needed religion (at a certain stage of human development) in order to curb his animal nature (propensity to kill), curb his emotions (selfishness, etc.) and allow him to live peacefully (develop) in society with other people ( not man is a wolf to man). All this allowed only the fear of God in man, because he did not take human laws seriously. The entire development of civilization is essentially based on the emergence of new progressive religions.
                        And only by the 20th century, human laws became so perfect that they could compete with religion, eventually pushing it into the background.
                      6. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 20: 00
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        If you look very roughly - then religion .......

                        It's a rare occasion when I absolutely agree with your comment. Indeed, Christianity, like Islam, is much more progressive than paganism.
                        Quote: lucul
                        And only by the 20th century, human laws became so perfect that they could compete with religion, eventually pushing it into the background.

                        good
                      7. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 14: 17
                        0
                        Quote: lucul

                        Fuuuuuhhh ... this topic is so vast and deep that you don't even know right away what to answer.

                        Without pretending to be true, I will say the following. The USSR had an IDEOLOGY. With the destruction of the USSR, ideology was also destroyed. But the state cannot live without ideology, so they returned religion from disgrace. Religion, whatever one may say, is - ideology.
                        Therefore, at the moment, religion is the ideological basis of the Russian Federation.
                  2. Ashes of Claes
                    Ashes of Claes 8 December 2021 17: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    and you, pouring out your indignation on the keyboard and stigmatizing all dissidents with your slogans, are truly Soviet, a true orthodox.

                    She's not for you. She urbi at orbi as usual. Like a poet, do you know:
                    Is it in the sky, is it on the wall
                    Choosing a point with a glance ...
                    Give the grandmother of the Russian revolution only a tribune ... Eh, #Stalin will go away
                    In general, as her experience shows, the enemy of communistoff (TM) should be beaten not with a brochure of the Communist Party Manifesto, but with a Short Course. Then TBI is guaranteed unequivocally.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 49
                      -2
                      Yes, and I'm not writing for her
                      and for those who will read after
                      1. Ashes of Claes
                        Ashes of Claes 8 December 2021 17: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        Yes, and I'm not writing for her

                        right, don't mess. It is boring, like an old age dream - it carries the same thing every time. Moreover, sometimes she uploads her resume - where and on what sites she had propaganda chees on the instructions of the party cell. In general, such a violent asceticism in the name of chimerical ideals usually ends with a stroke, like her idols Zemlyachka-Zalkind. Grandma Tatra does not feel sorry for herself.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 18: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                        right, don't mess

                        the trouble is that she does not seem to understand that she is engaged in anti-Soviet activities.

                        not a single adequate young man will be imbued with love for the USSR, faced with its aggressive derogatory "propaganda" that does not tolerate objections.
                        In the post-war USSR, they tolerated religion and believers.
                        But tatra is a model of intolerance.
                        The Soviet people have already been divided into "ours" and "not ours."
                        With such "agitators" and enemies are not needed.
                      3. populist
                        populist 8 December 2021 20: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        In the post-war USSR, they tolerated religion and believers.

                        You are not well informed.
                        The period of aggravation of the struggle against religion in the USSR, which peaked in 1958-1964.
                        Resolutions of the Central Committee of the CPSU (of July 7, 1954 "On major shortcomings in scientific-atheist propaganda and measures to improve it", of November 10, 1954 "On mistakes in conducting scientific-atheist propaganda among the population"
                        On October 4, 1958, the Central Committee of the CPSU adopted a resolution "On the lack of scientific and atheistic propaganda." And immediately followed by a state order for the creation of a whole series of anti-religious materials - in the press, in films, on radio and television.
                        A number of anti-religious films were shot. The best, probably, "Gadfly".
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 20: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: populist
                        A number of anti-religious films were shot. The best, probably, "Gadfly".

                        the novel "The Gadfly" was published in Russia in 1898.
                        perhaps this should speak of intolerance towards religion in tsarist Russia.
                      5. populist
                        populist 8 December 2021 20: 50
                        +2
                        Soviet anti-religious films.
                        The film by M. Kalatozov "Conspiracy of the Doomed" (1950). Films "We must not forget about this" (1954) by L. Lukov and "The Gadfly" (1955) by A. Feintsimmer "Ivanna" by V. Ivchenko, "Clouds over Borsk", "Wonderful", "Armageddon", "Sinner", "The End light "," Flower on a stone "
                        1961 - Let life triumph! (documentary) 1962 - Sinful Angel 1962 - Confessions 1963 - Everything remains for people 1974 - Seeking my destiny 1981 - Lives of the holy sisters
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 21: 01
                        -1
                        What for?
                        what do you want to prove?
                        I wrote to you specifically about the "Gadfly"
                        this work is directed not against religion specifically, but against the inveterate order.
                        it is not about particulars, but broadly about a revolutionary idea

                        you answer me with a list of films
                        yes, I admit that dear Nikita Sergeevich raised the degree of struggle with the church after the Stalinist thaw.
                        that's why he and Khrushchev, he knew how to bring a lot to insanity
                      7. populist
                        populist 8 December 2021 22: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        What for?
                        what do you want to prove?

                        What do you mean why?
                        Few people remember or know about these films.
                        There is also a selection of films from the Brezhnev period.
                        In the adventure "The Mysterious Monk" (1967), the clergy were portrayed as accomplices of the White Guards. In two film adaptations of the novel by I. Ilf and E. Petrov "12 chairs", staged in the 1970s, Orthodox priests were ridiculed as money-grubbing ... And in 1974, a much more serious anti-religious action was taken against the Orthodox Church: in the drama I am looking for my destiny "A. Manasarova, an Orthodox priest-intellectual (E. Martsevich), under the influence of disputes with an atheist scientist (G. Zhzhenov), renounced faith in the Almighty ... Here you can clearly feel the rollback with the drama" Everything remains for the people "filmed nine years earlier (1963) G. Natanson, where in the course of the action the academician-order-bearer (N. Cherkasov) entered into a conceptual dispute with an Orthodox priest (A. Popov).
                        The drama "Until the Last Minute" (1973), directed by V. Isakov and screenwriter V. Belyaev, was based on the story of the last period of the life of the famous Ukrainian political publicist of communist orientation Yaroslav Galan, who was killed on October 24, 1949 in Lvov.
                        The anti-Catholic theme was supported by the dramas Atonement for Sins of Others (1978) and The Mystery of St. George (1982) directed by V. Pidpaly, a new adaptation of The Gadfly (1980) by N. Maschenko.
                        Drama about cruel sectarian customs "Hops" (1991) V. Tregubovich.
                      8. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 23: 08
                        -1
                        what is the need to copy and paste sheets from the Internet?

                        Isn't it better to write not in someone else's words, but in your own? what do you personally know?
                      9. populist
                        populist 8 December 2021 23: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        Isn't it better to write not in someone else's words, but in your own? what do you personally know?

                        I know all this personally. I watched all the films and evaluate everything in the same way. Films "Everything Remains for People" (1963) by Natanson and "12 Chairs" by Gaidai are masterpieces of Soviet cinema. Especially - "Everything remains for people."
                        If you tell. what I know personally - that night will not be enough.
                        Read The Funny Bible, with a preface only. You will understand everything.
                      10. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 23: 50
                        -2
                        Quote: populist
                        If you tell. what I know personally - that night will not be enough.

                        probably not worth it
                        tell someone else on occasion
                        Quote: populist
                        Read The Funny Bible, with a preface only. You will understand everything.

                        I will understand EVERYTHING. I don't even know if I need to understand everything. Especially if it all fits into one "funny bible".
                      11. Galleon
                        Galleon 9 December 2021 13: 10
                        -1
                        Ugh! Well, you have character. Before the atheists beads mosque, so I climbed up to compensate for your disadvantages, and grappled with a like-minded person. No gate ...
                      12. Flooding
                        Flooding 10 December 2021 20: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Galleon
                        Ugh! Well, you have character. Before the atheists beads to the mosque

                        happens, finds me
                      13. populist
                        populist 8 December 2021 23: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        I wrote to you specifically about the "Gadfly"

                        The truth is difficult to contain.
                        Quote: Flood
                        this work is not directed against religion specifically,

                        Precisely against religion.
                        Quote: Flood
                        but against the stagnant order.

                        You yourself have confirmed that you are against religion. Where else can you find more inertia?
                        Quote: Flood
                        dear Nikita Sergeevich raised the degree of struggle with the church after the Stalinist thaw.

                        The "Stalinist thaw" is too high an estimate. Rather, a forced relaxation due to the danger of Germany using religious propaganda.
                        Quote: Flood
                        that's why he and Khrushchev, he knew how to bring a lot to insanity

                        Much, but not all.
                        Flight of Gagarin, "Cuba - my love" and more. Including anti-religious propaganda.
                      14. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 23: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: populist
                        You yourself have confirmed that you are against religion. Where else can you find more inertia?

                        in the caste stratification of Indian society, for example
                        Quote: populist
                        The "Stalinist thaw" is too high an estimate. Rather, a forced relaxation due to the danger of Germany using religious propaganda.

                        speech about the post-war years
                        Quote: populist
                        Including anti-religious propaganda.

                        it is your opinion.
                        it does not prevent me from having my own.
                      15. Doctor
                        Doctor 8 December 2021 20: 50
                        +2
                        It is boring, like an old age dream - it carries the same thing every time.

                        No, something has moved.
                        There were "enemies of the communists", there were "enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people." winked
                    2. tatra
                      tatra 8 December 2021 18: 12
                      -5
                      Another inadequate.
                      1. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 20: 25
                        +2
                        Hello Irina!
                        Quote: tatra
                        Another inadequate.

                        I can't help but quote the classic. "No one is to blame if he was born a slave; but a slave who not only shuns the pursuit of his freedom, but justifies and embellishes his slavery ..... such a slave is a lackey and boor who causes a legitimate feeling of indignation, contempt and disgust. ." IN AND. Lenin. More precisely, perhaps you can not say.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 22: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I can't help but quote the classic


                        "Do not repay the insane, because of his madness, but you will not be like him, but repay the insane because of his madness, so that he will not appear wise to himself."
                      3. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 22: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        "Do not answer a fool because of his foolishness, lest you become like him; but answer a fool because of his foolishness, so that he does not become a wise man in his own eyes."

                        Yes, I, in general, do not care whether you look like a sage in your eyes or not.)))))
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 22: 25
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Yes, I, in general, do not care whether you look like a sage in your eyes or not

                        what a graceful maneuver
                        but you should not get carried away with narcissism
                        especially since it was not about YOUR stupidity
                        but about the situation when you shine in front of each other with your merits, while remembering the classics
                        in this posing, you forget that the classics just as easily turn against you, as well as vice versa

                        I remembered Ivan Andreevich Krylov "The Cuckoo and the Rooster"
                      5. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 22: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        but about the situation when you shine in front of each other with your merits, while remembering the classics

                        No, I'm just saying that 100 years ago they knew how to correctly name characters with certain behavior.
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 22: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        No, I'm just saying that 100 years ago they knew how to correctly name characters with certain behavior.

                        without any doubts
                        classic is immortal
                        and you write this to a person who, in front of honest people, without any explanation, offends a commentator she dislikes.

                        you very accurately summed up "characters with certain behaviors"
                      7. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 10: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        and you write this to a person who, in front of honest people, without any explanation, offends a commentator she dislikes.

                        If, for some reason, you believe that I wrote this specifically about a person with the nickname Ash Klaas, then you are mistaken. The quote says about people who betrayed the interests of their class, about people who justify the most heinous acts of the current ruling class for their own benefit, thoughtlessness, or for some other reason. For example, yesterday, the State Duma approved in the third reading a law that police officers can now, among other things, simply on SUSPECTION, open a home, a car, etc., without a court decision, prosecutor's sanction, etc. etc. and yes, they do not bear any material responsibility for this. And there are many people happily shrieking about this. Read what fascism is, the definitions of Dmitrov, for example, or Trotsky.
                      8. Flooding
                        Flooding 10 December 2021 20: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If, for some reason, you believe that I wrote this specifically about a person with the nickname Ash Klaas, then you are wrong

                        important in this case is not so much who you wrote about, but who you wrote to
                        Quote: Flood
                        you write this to a person who, in front of honest people, without any explanation, offends a commentator she dislikes.

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Hello Irina!
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 8 December 2021 19: 30
                  -1
                  Quote: tatra
                  Yes, the people on the territory of the USSR all 104 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet

                  It remains to find this very Soviet people. So far, no one has succeeded.
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 20: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    It remains to find this very Soviet people. So far, no one has succeeded.

                    The Soviet people, this is the one who won the Civil War, took Berlin, built Magnitka, and the anti-Soviet people are the one who carried out the criminal privatization, the one who defends the right to use the stolen goods, the one who justifies and praises those who destroy education, implant religion, kills public medicine, etc. Well, you understand with my eye.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 8 December 2021 22: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Well, you understand with my eye

                      And where did this anti-Soviet people come from?
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 December 2021 22: 58
                        +1
                        There is a black sheep in any flock. request
                        The problem is that these sheep are at the helm today, and they profess the cult of decadence.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 December 2021 19: 16
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        There is a black sheep in every flock

                        What a wretched state and party system in the USSR was, if only black sheep made their way to power.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 9 December 2021 19: 35
                        +1
                        The party structure of the USSR was not ideal, but in comparison with the current system, it was perfect.
                        For today EP is a terrible caricature of the Communist Party.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 December 2021 21: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The party structure of the USSR was not ideal

                        By destroying the country in the literal sense? "Imperfect", yes.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 9 December 2021 22: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        By destroying the country in the literal sense? "Imperfect", yes.

                        If in your big family there is one utter geek, will it be possible to judge your whole family as a whole by him?
                        Now, in the system of power, such people are cultivated. And they are destroying the country more confidently.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 December 2021 18: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        If in your big family there is one utter geek, will it be possible to judge your whole family as a whole by him?

                        How wretched was the state system of the USSR that 1 (!!!) person could destroy it.
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 10 December 2021 22: 18
                        +1
                        One? belay And now at the helm are not those scum that destroyed the USSR, being party members?
                        The same Putin is a member of the CPSU.
                      8. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 11 December 2021 07: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        One? belay And now at the helm are not those scum who destroyed the USSR, being party members?

                        Tol is there. Do you admit that there was no Soviet people?
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 December 2021 08: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Tol is there. Do you admit that there was no Soviet people?

                        You have a break in the logical connection. What's behind these conclusions? belay
                        As I said, there are scum in all power. Having penetrated into the highest echelons of power in the USSR, they destroyed the Union and usurped power in Russia.
                      10. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 11 December 2021 13: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        What's behind these conclusions?

                        So where is he?
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        As I said, there are scum in all power. Having penetrated into the highest echelons of power in the USSR, they destroyed the Union and usurped power in Russia.

                        Where were the communists? On Mars?
                      11. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 11: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And where did this anti-Soviet people come from?

                        They did not finish off the civilian, forgiven, regretted. The Soviet government was too kind and condescending in those years.
                      12. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 December 2021 19: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        They did not finish off the civilian, forgiven, regretted. The Soviet government was too kind and condescending in those years.

                        Khrushchev came to power thanks to the support of the army led by Zhukov.
                        Debunking the personality cult was supported by the entire party elite of that time.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And where did this anti-Soviet people come from?
          5. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 8 December 2021 21: 37
            -1
            Quote: Flood
            а massive repression clerics are not enough obvious cause?
            belay Eyes rinse, see you will be better. request
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 December 2021 22: 08
              -1
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Rinse your eyes, you will see better

              don't poke me
              I don’t graze geese with you

              was that your knowledge of ophthalmology ended?
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 9 December 2021 12: 04
                -2
                Quote: Flood
                don't poke me
                I don’t graze geese with you

                You, nawadlom, swineherd, I see. hi
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 10 December 2021 20: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  You, nawadlom, swineherd, I see

                  Hamlo uncultured
          6. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2021 11: 48
            -1
            Quote: Flood

            and the massive repression of clergy is not an obvious enough reason?

            What do you mean by the word "massive"?
            As far as I know, the Orthodox have "all power from Gd"
            And, despite this, the churchmen proclaimed anathema to the Bolsheviks. And in every possible way they campaigned against the Sov. authorities.
            That's how many clergymen were engaged in anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, just as many were repressed.
            And what is wrong? Any power always, at all times and on all continents, defends itself. Wrong today?
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 8 December 2021 15: 47
        -4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Read "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda."

        why not "The Tale of How One Man Fed Two Generals"?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 15: 55
          +3
          Because the topic is called:
          Church in the Stalinist era in the USSR: exposing by historians of the myths of the perestroika period

          And its essence was described much earlier. Including in the poem by N.A. Nekrasov "Who Lives Well in Russia".
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 02
            -6
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Church in the Stalinist era in the USSR: exposing by historians of the myths of the perestroika period

            therefore, you advise reading a work of the first half of the 19th century
            good fellow!
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 16: 50
              +3
              Quote: Flood
              therefore, you advise reading a work of the first half of the 19th century
              good fellow!

              Because the attitude of the "God-bearing people" to the representatives of the church is well described there. After all, you categorically reject Soviet works on religion, do you?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 8 December 2021 16: 53
                -7
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Because the attitude of the "God-bearing people" to the representatives of the church is well described there.

                let me answer whoever I asked the question
                don't take on the heavy burden of responsibility for other people you don't know
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                After all, you categorically reject Soviet works on religion, do you?

                Why is it so categorical?
                what kind of works do you mean?
                I have read many different books, but I don’t remember the Soviet ones about religion.
                suddenly tell me something interesting.
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 17: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: Flood
                  I have read many different books, but I don’t remember the Soviet ones about religion.

                  For example, I really liked Early Christianity, Pages of History in my youth. Author Sventitskaya. By the way, the possibility of the existence of Christ as a real historical person is even allowed there. But I meant the description of the clergy in Soviet fiction. In general, as a materialist, I regard the concept of God only as another hypothesis, nothing more, and it is completely incomprehensible to me why it should be distinguished above others, especially since it is not a priori provable and not refutable. The trouble, in addition, is that we meet very few people trying to live according to the New Testament, for that we see "defenders of the faith" quite often, who, instead of wearing a seat belt, hang icons on the panel.
                  Quote: Flood
                  let me answer whoever I asked the question
                  do not take on the heavy burden of responsibility for other people you do not know

                  We have a free forum, I write where I want and to whom I want.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 15
                    -4
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    We have a free forum, I write food I want and to whom I want.

                    certainly
                    but this does not give you the right to express his personal opinion for another
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    in general, as a materialist, I regard the concept of God only as another hypothesis, nothing more

                    perfectly
                    and that is why you decided that I categorically do not accept Soviet books about religion?
                    because this requires only your point of view and no other?
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 17: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Flood
                      but this does not give you the right to express his personal opinion for another

                      And where did I express not my personal opinion? And I definitely did not go out under the name of Yuri Vasilyevich.))))
                      Quote: Flood
                      and that is why you decided that I categorically do not accept Soviet books about religion?

                      Duck you wrote just above that you don't remember any of them. Is not it so? So they haven’t sunk into your soul, or do you think the Secular authors are biased, do they not?
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 28
                        -5
                        Quote: Flood
                        therefore, you advise reading a work of the first half of the 19th century

                        I asked grandpa ROSS 42
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Because the attitude of the "God-bearing people" to the representatives of the church is well described there.

                        you answered for him
                        because I asked about his motivation
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 8 December 2021 17: 30
                        -4
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Duck you wrote just above that you don't remember any of them.

                        I don’t remember - it means I don’t accept it?
                        again you speak for others
                        if I say that this is incorrect, then it will be too soft words
                        I don’t remember because I didn’t read
                  2. populist
                    populist 8 December 2021 18: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    For example, I really liked Early Christianity, Pages of History in my youth. Author Sventitskaya.

                    There are a number of very good foreign books on religion.
                    I recommend Leo Taxil's books to everyone: The Funny Bible, The Funny Gospel, The Holy Nativity Scene. After reading these three books, enlightenment comes quickly and is guaranteed for those who need it. Also useful for atheists. They give good arguments in debates and conversations.
                    Folklore in the Old Testament by James George Fraser.
                    The first was French and the second English. Both wrote before the Great October Revolution.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 19: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: populist
                      There are a number of very good foreign books on religion ...

                      Thanks. "Early Christianity, Pages of History", a historical book, not fiction, the author is a Doctor of Historical Sciences. She (the author) does not at all touch upon dogmas, texts of scriptures and other "important" things, but only talks about why this doctrine arose, against the background of which, when, she talks about the historicity of certain events, characters, about chronology, casually touches the Qumran sources, etc. By the way, it is easy to read, I recommend it. If you have enough time, of course.)))) And I will definitely download your books.
                      1. Esoteric
                        Esoteric 9 December 2021 20: 55
                        0
                        Let me recommend you a few other books: "Just Christianity" - Clive Staples Lewis, "The Letters of a Balamut" by him.
                      2. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 21: 23
                        +1
                        Thanks. I downloaded it and read it. As I read it, I will write to you.
                    2. Esoteric
                      Esoteric 9 December 2021 20: 57
                      0
                      And I would recommend you to read "Letters of a Balamut" by Clive Staples Lewis
                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 December 2021 23: 00
                    +1
                    Hello Alexey!
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Author Sventitskaya.

                    Sventsitskaya Irina. Good book.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 9 December 2021 11: 08
                      +2
                      Hello Igor!
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Sventsitskaya Irina. Good book.

                      It was after her that I completely stopped reading fiction on historical topics. All these "Malusha housekeepers" and other similar characters began to strain.)))))
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 8 December 2021 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            And its essence was described much earlier. Including in the poem by N.A. Nekrasov "Who Lives Well in Russia".

            Yes, Nekrasov said everything, he did not lie, but wrote from the people:
            Eat the jail, Yasha!
            No milk! "
            - "Where is our lady?"
            - "Gone away, my light"
            Barin for offspring
            Took her home! "
            Gloriously live the people
            In holy Russia!


        2. Free wind
          Free wind 8 December 2021 18: 08
          +2
          "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda" is currently banned as offending the feelings of believers. As well as about Chipolino. as extremist, calling for the removal of the current government. Not a joke at all.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 December 2021 18: 14
            0
            Quote: Free Wind
            "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda" is currently banned as offending the feelings of believers. As well as about Chipolino.

            hard to believe
            and what did Cipollino not please?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 8 December 2021 18: 31
            0
            Quote: Free Wind
            As well as about Chipolino

            speech about a performance in Moscow, as I understood from what I read on the Internet
            not about a cartoon or a literary work
            but about a specific theatrical performance
            I don’t know what the director came up with

            Quote: Free Wind
            "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda", is currently banned

            did not find confirmation of this
    2. for
      for 8 December 2021 15: 29
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      All scientific degrees from Gorbachev to Yeltsin should be canceled.

      And the Soviet ones, too, to leave only since 2000. At this time, the most outstanding scientists of old and modern Russia received the titles.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 15: 41
        +4
        Quote: for
        And the Soviet ones, too, to leave only since 2000.

        With us, dig deeper into the power and it will immediately become clear what kind of associate professors and candidates they are and how they defended their academic degrees:
        In 1997, Putin defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of economic sciences on the topic "Strategic planning of the reproduction of the mineral resource base of the region in the conditions of the formation of market relations (St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region)"

        Или:
        Since 1988, Medvedev taught civil and Roman law at the Faculty of Law of Leningrad State University, then St. Petersburg State University. Topic of Ph.D. thesis: "Problems of the implementation of the civil legal personality of a state enterprise", candidate of legal sciences (L., 1990).

        Или:
        In 1996, at the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University, Rogozin defended his thesis for the degree of Candidate of Philosophy on the topic "The Russian Question and Its Impact on National and International Security"
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 8 December 2021 18: 20
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          With us, dig deeper into the power and it will immediately become clear what kind of associate professors and candidates they are and how they defended their academic degrees:

          But Taburetkin-Serdyukov A.E. surpassed them all:

          2004 - defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of economic sciences on the topic "The concept and systematic organization of the process of forming consumer-oriented entrepreneurial structures."

          2006 - defended his thesis for the degree of Doctor of Economics on the topic "Formation and implementation of tax policy in modern Russia."
    3. knn54
      knn54 8 December 2021 15: 57
      -3
      Dorokhin Pavel - Stalin and the Church through the eyes of contemporaries: patriarchs, saints, priests, Eksmo, 2012
      I will also add a couple of comments.
      -Not to be confused with the attitude of the Jewish Bolsheviks towards the Orthodox Church.
      - For some reason, many historians believe that they know more and "more correctly" than eyewitnesses of the events.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 December 2021 17: 43
        0
        Quote: knn54
        Dorokhin Pavel - Stalin and the Church through the eyes of contemporaries: patriarchs, saints, priests, Eksmo, 2012

        On September 4, 1943, significant events for the history of the Russian Orthodox Church of the ROC and the religious policy of the Soviet state took place in the USSR, which marked the beginning of a broad Orthodox revival. Among them: Stalin's meeting as chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR with the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, Metropolitans of Moscow Sergius (Stragorodsky), Leningrad Alexy (Simansky) and Kiev Nikolai (Yarushevich); The Council of Bishops, which elected the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia; formation of the Council for the Affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.
        These were thoughtful and long-term steps of the Soviet leadership in order, on the one hand, to translate relations with the largest religious organization in the country into the legal field, and on the other, to continue the formation of a positive foreign policy image of the USSR as a country where generally accepted norms of freedom of conscience are observed.
        In Stalin's entourage, conversations about a possible meeting with hierarchs and the creation of a special state body for relations with the Church had been actively pursued since the beginning of the summer of 1943. The People's Commissariat of State Security collected detailed materials about the state of the Church, information about its living hierarchs, the patriotic activities of the clergy, etc. Stalin carefully familiarized himself with them, who was interested not only in the views of church leaders, but also in the details of their personal lives and lives during the war
        Read more here https://rg.ru/2018/09/03/rodina-religia.html
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 8 December 2021 20: 26
          0
          It was a hard time, and it could last for a long time ... too much grief covered all our people !!!
          Then, many, needed at least a little consolation, pacification. The Church could do and did at least something ... thanks to her for that too.
          And then .... I don't even want to say what happened next, because now everything has become even worse.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 December 2021 18: 22
        0
        Quote: knn54
        Not to be confused with the attitude of the Jewish Bolsheviks towards the Orthodox Church.

        These are two hostile opposites.
  2. Smoker
    Smoker 8 December 2021 15: 25
    +8
    It's time to leave the era of Stalin alone .. Enough to expose ..... Whoever is interested, then go deeper and figure it out. The rest (both in one direction and in the other) use all this in political games
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 December 2021 15: 34
      +5
      Without understanding our great past, we will not be able to understand how we can build the future ..
      1. Smoker
        Smoker 8 December 2021 15: 37
        +4
        Quote: paul3390
        Without understanding our great past, we will not be able to understand how we can build the future ..

        We both understand perfectly well that all these are political games .. why deceive ourselves, with beautiful words?
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 16: 17
        +5
        And with the denial of the great in the Soviet past, an attempt to inspire the masses that tomorrow will be more expensive and worse cheaper and better - the attraction of itinerant artists.
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 8 December 2021 15: 57
      +11
      It's time to leave the Stalin era alone
      "Even a donkey can kick a dead lion."
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 8 December 2021 16: 33
      +4
      smoker
      How can you leave alone what has been created. In the 90s, they shared everything that the BOLSHEVIKS created. And today, who is smarter trying to cling to the accomplished, who spit more stupidly.
      Note how the churchmen today with might and main are trying to cling to the achievements, to the GREAT VICTORY, to the restoration of RUSSIA. I have already met claims to the management of VV PUTIN in the matter of defending the interests of RUSSIA.
      After 1917, the church was removed from the state feeding trough and how many howling. Both the priests and the monks went to * the foothills of the feed * and did not differ in their pickiness in their search for breadwinners.
      Dushka Khrushchev imposed an income tax on the church, and it was then that all this * historical heritage * fell in the form of buildings and clergy. Then they began to look for ways to merge with the foreign Greek Catholic Church abroad. They began to look in advance for * high patronage * from Europe and the United States.
    4. tatra
      tatra 8 December 2021 17: 09
      0
      Neither patriots nor enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people will ever let the USSR go, because patriots are for the BEST for their country and people - the USSR, in comparison with the Russian Empire, and degraded, impoverished, dying out States on the territory of the former USSR, and enemies The USSR and the Soviet people SLAVE on everything Soviet with automatic justification of the crimes of external and internal enemies of Soviet power, ALL 10 million, criminals who went through the Gulag for 30 years - this is the only justification for their capture of the USSR since their Perestroika.
  3. Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 8 December 2021 15: 33
    -4
    myths that emerge from liberal means, a history of misinterpreting

    Another attack on the supporters of liberalism, social democracy and democratic socialism? Alas, it seems predictable :(
    Here's the thing, after all. Perhaps, for some, this, alas, will turn out to be a revelation, but Marxism-Leninism (the state ideology of the Soviet Union throughout its existence), BY DEFINITION, includes militant atheism. Militantly atheistic were the RSDLP (b) -RKP (b) -VKP (b) -KPSS. The Soviet Union was officially an atheist state from its inception in 1922 until 1988.
    From the point of view of the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, with the construction of communism, all "religious prejudices" without exception should have inevitably died out. I.V. Stalin, according to his ideology, is a convinced and consistent Marxist-Leninist.
  4. Alexga
    Alexga 8 December 2021 15: 38
    +5
    Here is a link about the activities of the Russian Orthodox Church during the war: https: //azbyka.ru/otechnik/Istorija_Tserkvi/russkaja-pravoslavnaja-tserkov-v-gody-velikoj-otechestvennoj-vojny-1941-1945-gg/1_22
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: AlexGa
      Here is a link about the activities of the Russian Orthodox Church during the war years:

      They were different there. There were also those who "nourished" the enemies in the occupied territory.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 8 December 2021 23: 43
        0
        They were different there. There were also those who "nourished" the enemies in the occupied territory.
        There are also traitors
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 December 2021 15: 42
    +5
    Now religion is taking over the minds, on this basis, representatives of different confessions slaughter each other with great pleasure. And most importantly, it would be for what ...
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 8 December 2021 16: 24
      0
      Well, let's say not different coffee. but they cut, yes, different people.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 8 December 2021 17: 58
        +1
        Unfortunately, they have been cutting for centuries and doing it with great pleasure.
  6. Xlor
    Xlor 8 December 2021 15: 47
    +4
    Quote: paul3390
    The Russian Orthodox Church was going through the worst times during that period for the obvious reason - it was excommunicated from the state feeding trough.

    This is because the Bolsheviks were principled people, although if they wanted to, they would sing the glory of Lenin and Trotsky in the churches ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 December 2021 16: 22
      +2
      Quote: Xlor
      then in the churches they would sing the glory of Lenin and Trotsky ...

      One can judge about adherence to principles and adherence to church canons by this:

      So they wanted and built it. And in Orthodoxy, indulgences are not provided.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 December 2021 20: 20
        -1
        At the expense of indulgences, that's right ... this is not accepted in Orthodoxy.
        But such events will not return spirituality to the people, to society ...
        Faith and spirituality, this is a state of mind, not an exercise ...
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 8 December 2021 16: 11
    -1
    What can you regret ... temples, as works of art, architecture, were worth preserving ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 8 December 2021 18: 14
      +1
      And the monuments to Lenin are also works of art, but the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people believe that they have every right to destroy them.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 December 2021 20: 13
        +1
        A stick always has two ends ... he himself did not spare others, they will not spare you either.
        This is not correct, anyway, from all sides.
        There is no right here, on either side.
  8. Xlor
    Xlor 8 December 2021 16: 26
    +1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    And in Orthodoxy there are no indulgences

    Provided. It's just called it differently - confession ... wink
    1. tatra
      tatra 8 December 2021 17: 19
      +2
      How good it is, you can commit crimes, the main thing is to come to the priests to repent, they will forgive on behalf of God, and you can commit crimes again.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 December 2021 20: 17
        +1
        In Orthodoxy, indulgences were never given out, never to anyone.
    2. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 8 December 2021 21: 29
      0
      Quote: Xlor
      Provided. It's just called it differently - confession ...

      Confession is repentance for a past sin, and indulgence is the purchase of the right to commit sin in the future.
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 9 December 2021 03: 36
        0
        indulgence - buying the right to commit a sin in the future
        Unless only sins were forgiven for future sins
        In Orthodoxy, indulgences were never given out, never to anyone
        In the form of letters, they were not given out, but sins were forgiven. What is the difference?
  9. tatra
    tatra 8 December 2021 17: 24
    0
    The enemies of the communists constantly impose something or someone on Russia and the Russian people, and then they cannot explain why. That is why they spent the colossal money of the Russian people in the construction of tens of thousands of churches, temples, mosques, synagogues, in the enrichment of their "pastors", if they proved by their example that religion did not make them honest, decent, kind, humane, did not make them patriots of their country and people?
  10. zenion
    zenion 9 December 2021 15: 05
    -1
    During Stalin's time, the town had a church, a church and a synagogue. The church remained intact, but the church and the synagogue had to be repaired. And the church and the synagogue were killed by the decree of Khrushchev in 1956. At first, they wanted to blow them up, to do the same as the Banderaites did. It crashed so hard that many of the windows were knocked out of their windows. Then the church was dismantled with crowbars and pickaxes. And they were afraid to dismantle the synagogue, God will punish it. But still, a month later, they brought people from somewhere and they, too, with crowbars and other tools, dismantled them to the foundation. They could not hit further. Then they dug up to the ground with excavators and showered them with rocks, so that there would be no place left.