A batch of modernized heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" delivered to the troops

A batch of modernized heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek" entered the troops. This was reported by the press service of Uralvagonzavod.

Heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek" have been modernized at the Omsk Transport Engineering Plant. In the course of the work carried out, the equipment received modern launching equipment, improved built-in dynamic protection, a GPS / Glonass navigation system and a new modification of tracks with a straight lug. Other details of the modernization were not disclosed, it is reported that the work was carried out taking into account a number of design changes.

The modernized systems have already been transferred to the troops as part of the state defense order, the amount of equipment supplied has not been disclosed.

Earlier it was reported that Omsktransmash specialists are completing the development of a modernization option for heavy flamethrower systems, within which TOS will receive modern digital communication facilities, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 (Tosochka) will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

At present, the RChBZ is armed with about a hundred heavy flamethrower systems of two modifications: TOS-1 "Buratino" based on tank T-72 and the improved TOS-1A "Solntsepek" on the T-90 chassis. All complexes in service will be modernized. The combat vehicles will undergo mandatory modernization during the repair process.

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[tralflot1832]

Uralmash works in three shifts when it has time.

[28st region]

Did you read well? They modernized, not new ones were released, but the old ones were painted.
And how much do we have in the TPS troops? Up to 30 (thirty) units will not be scraped.

[tralflot1832]

The article was read across, there is a figure of how many TOSs we have. Also, Tosochki will go into production from 2022.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

Did you read well? They modernized, not new ones were released, but the old ones were painted.
And how much do we have in the TPS troops? Up to 30 (thirty) units will not be scraped.

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Did you read well? About 100 systems have been written!
PS As of 2018, the troops had 72 TOS-1 and TOS-1A. Now it is more clear!

[28st region]

Other sources say 28 on 01.01.21/XNUMX/XNUMX.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

Other sources say 28 on 01.01.21/XNUMX/XNUMX.

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This figure flashed for a very long time (5-6 years ago, if not more!). In those days, they still could not really determine their place in the combat formations of troops. But after Syria and Iraq, they still found a place! And now, when shells have appeared with the same (if not greater) power, but three times the firing range - even more so! Pay attention to TOS-s regularly "shine" at all major exercises and in the Air Defense and in the Western Military District and in the Southern Military District and in the Central Military District! Those. there are clearly more than 3 dozen of them!
PS If I had not had the opportunity to work in the editorial office for several years, I would never have known how easy magazines refer to numbers (shoving outdated data as the most fresh!). And there - at least "the grass does not grow"! And you yourself have probably noticed this more than once ...

[28st region]

They light up regularly because they are located in all districts, because they attract the RCB protection troops. There and only there is this system in service. And we have only 4 of them in the brigades, one per district. There are 4 districts in total. So they are flickering.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

They light up regularly because they are located in all districts, because they attract the RCB protection troops. There and only there is this system in service. And we have only 4 of them in the brigades, one per district. There are 4 districts in total. So they are flickering.

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RHBZ brigades - 5. In each - a battalion of TPS (9 units).
Regiments - 12. In each - a company (3 TPS).
Now - count yourself! And how much comes out?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Probably, replenishment also arrived in the Western and Southern districts ...

[28st region]

I thought so too. But he went a little further than you, began to search by the number and location of the parts. For example, the 70th flamethrower battalion. But it is not disbanded.
Where did you get that in each brigade there is a TPS battalion?
Here is the composition of the brigade in the Eastern VO
control
1st battalion of RCB protection
2st battalion of RCB protection
3st battalion of RCB protection
Logistics platoon
Evacuation and repair platoon
company management.
There is not even a hint of battalions.
Here is the composition of the brigade in the Central Military District
control;
Intelligence battalion;
Defense battalion;
Flamethrower company;
Heavy Flamethrower Company;
Anti-aerosol battalion.
Flamethrower company - armed with RPO and BMO-T flamethrower vehicle based on T-72
The only brigade where there is a flamethrower battalion, which is armed with both TOS and Soncepek in the Southern Military District.
What is PU TOC. platform, chassis ... in short, a tank without a turret and a package of guide tubes. We have tanks in storage in varying degrees of zonation in bulk, a package of pipes is not so difficult. The main problem is ammunition, but it seems to be not a problem either. So what's the point, why is this weapon coming to the troops so slowly? The question is, of course, a tritorical one.
If you think that I am scoffing and giggling at this state of affairs, then you are mistaken.
As one character said - It's a shame for the State.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

Here is the composition of the brigade in the Eastern VO
control
1st battalion of RCB protection
2st battalion of RCB protection
3st battalion of RCB protection
Logistics platoon
Evacuation and repair platoon
company management.
There is not even a hint of battalions.

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Why do you think that heavy flamethrower companies cannot be part of the RCB battalions? What date is the given organizational and staffing table? And from WHAT then back in 2012 the "Khingans" carried out firing at the Turgenevsky range, if in the above OShS "there is not even a hint" of heavy flamethrower units? ("Red Star" 16.01.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX http://redstar.ru/brigada-gotova-k-novym-sversheniyam/)?
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Quote: 28st region

So what's the point, why is this weapon coming to the troops so slowly? The question is, of course, a tritorical one.

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But this is just quite understandable! The main reason, I think, lies in a certain "tradition", inertness and even inertness of thinking inherent in many high army ranks. Hence the rejection and even some rejection of new of weapons and military equipment: after all, they are capable of dramatically changing the well-developed, time-tested stereotypes of warfare! So there is a "little thought": "And in figs they are needed? Where are they to" stick "? And they did just fine without them!". Suffice it to recall with what difficulty they made their way: mortars, MLRS, etc. Today, the TOS and BMPTs are in the same position ... And even the fact that both of these systems can be quickly and relatively inexpensively produced using a huge amount of T- 72 from storage bases is, as it were, a second time ...

[28st region]

I'll get better. There is no hint of flamethrower battalions.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

I'll get better. There is no hint of flamethrower battalions.

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It would be more correct to say: "do not было"!
Although "Pinocchio" proved itself very well back in Afghanistan (where they were first tested), the further collapse of the Union and the Army delayed their introduction into the troops for a long time!
Then there was a very successful application experience in the Caucasus ... But the inertia of thinking won out again. And only the experience of the very successful application of TOC in Syria and Iraq confirmed: very necessary! Then the understanding finally came: where, when, how and for what to use them (TOCs)! Even a new model ("Tosochka") has been developed. Although I am personally convinced that the "Solntsepek" will continue to build!
And the main problem that confused the "generals' minds" - the very short range of action - had already been resolved: the range was increased to 15 km, and this is comparable to the Grad!
So, I think soon even more TOS will go to the troops and the count will go to "hundreds", and not to "tens"!

[28st region]

Quote: venik

So, I think soon even more TOS will go to the troops and the count will go to "hundreds", and not to "tens"!

Read the comment below. Refers to incendiary weapons.

[28st region]

Quote: venik

Why do you think that heavy flamethrower companies cannot be part of the RCB battalions?

They enter, but not companies, but a platoon consisting of 2 - 3 TOS-1

Quote: venik

But this is just quite understandable! The main reason, I think, lies in a kind of "tradition", inertness and even inertness of thinking inherent in many high army ranks

Why explain this. The main thing is not. Yes, traditionally flamethrower units are part of the chemical troops. And they are intended to clear the area of ​​OM with fire. In any case, this is how it is declared. How weapons fall into the category of prohibited.
Apparently this is the case.
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In 1972, according to the conclusion of a special UN commission, incendiary weapons were conditionally classified as weapons of mass destruction.

According to the "Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects" -
Those. do not expect him to enter the troops en masse.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

Yes, traditionally flamethrower units are part of the chemical troops. And they are intended to clear the area of ​​OM with fire.

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Yes WHO told you this nonsense?! Leisure "zhurnalyugi" who sometimes do not understand themselves ( ) WHAT are they writing about? Spit in their faces! Rocket-propelled flamethrowers that are light ("Bumblebee", etc.), that are heavy ("Buratino", "Solntsepek", "Tosochka") - were NEVER intended to decontaminate the terrain !!! From the word - IN GENERAL! (I've already written about this many times!).
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Quote: 28st region

In any case, this is how it is declared.

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WHOM is it "declared" ???
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Quote: 28st region

How weapons fall into the category of prohibited.

Quote: 28st region

According to the "Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects"

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"....Paramosha, don't be silly! I walked around Paris in my trousers, and I took them off in your hallway!....... " (General Black, film "Run").
Why, then, do they not prohibit long-range artillery, MLRS, and volume-detonating and thermobaric weapons are in service with many countries and are even exported to many countries?

[28st region]

In the spirit of political workers. There are a lot of words on the matter.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

In the spirit of political workers. There are a lot of words on the matter.

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Well, read it yourself (preferably - carefully!) "The Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects. Geneva, October 10, 1980." W.t.ch. Protocol No. III "On Incendiary Weapons" and first figure it out: what is "prohibited" and what is "limited"!
Well, in accordance with your recommendation, I will not become like a political officer and educate "lost" souls and "fragile minds"! You yourself will figure it out somehow!

[28st region]

you figure it out. Either write about some non-existent flamethrower battalions, then make assumptions that there is TOS in the companies. etc.
I will not become like you, and I will tell your lost soul and fragile mind. It is forbidden to use incendiary weapons in areas, it is possible to point it.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

I will not become like you and your lost soul and fragile mind I'll tell you. It is forbidden to use incendiary weapons in areas, point can be.

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Hmm ... Told ..... Now - we read CAREFULLY:
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1980 Convention on Specific Species
conventional weapons (CCW)
Protocol III on incendiary weapons
Incendiary weapons are weapons designed primarily for setting fire to objects or causing injury to a person by means of fire or heat, such as napalm and flamethrowers (v. 1).
This weapon should not be used under any circumstances. against civilians... It is also prohibited to expose any military object, civilian, attacks using incendiary weapons delivered by air.
Finally, it is prohibited to turn forests or other types of vegetation into an object of attack with the use of incendiary weapons, unless such natural elements are used to hide combatants or other military objectives (v. 2).
- Supplements
Article 1. Scope of application
This Convention and the Protocols annexed thereto shall apply in the situations referred to in Article 2 common to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 for the Protection of Victims of War, including any situation described in paragraph 4 of Article 1 of Additional Protocol I to those Conventions.
Article 2. Relationship with other international agreements
Nothing in this Convention or the Protocols annexed thereto may be interpreted as diminishing the significance of other obligations imposed on the High Contracting Parties by international humanitarian law applicable in armed conflicts.
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- Well, and WHERE is there about the use of areal and point targets?
- HOW is all this connected with your own maxim set forth above: "...How weapons fall into the category of prohibited. ..... Ie do not expect it en masse to enter the troops.... "?
I’m not even talking about outright delirium that the TOS is a part of the RCBZ "...are designed to clean the area from OM with fire.... "that supposedly by someone"officially declared"... By the way, they did not answer the question: WHOM is this" officially declared?
PS So what about "lost" souls and "fragile" minds?

[28st region]

Once and somewhere I read. So something has changed.
But here's what I found about flamethrower battalions.

the flamethrower battalion consists of two companies of portable flamethrowers, fire from which is fired from the shoulder, and one company of heavy flamethrowers. In a company of portable flamethrowers there are 71 personnel and nine combat vehicles of BMO-T "Terminator" flamethrowers (BMO-T was created on the basis of a modified T-72 tank and is designed to carry 20-30 RPO-A "Bumblebee" disposable jet flamethrowers.)
A company of heavy flamethrowers - 35 personnel, three heavy TOS flamethrowers, as well as six transport-loading vehicles TZM-T - also based on the T-72.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

Once and somewhere I read. So something has changed.

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Precisely "somewhere and sometime" ..... But really? "Something has changed"? So and I told you about WHAT?
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Quote: 28st region

But here's what I found about flamethrower battalions.

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And here's what else they write:
".....A battalion of TOS-1A "Solntsepek" heavy flamethrower systems was first deployed in the Center-2019 strategic command and staff exercises. The press service of the Central Military District was informed about this by Major General Valery Vasiliev, the head of the NBC defense troops of the Central Military District...... "(" RG "24.09.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX)
and further:
"..... ... ...The temporarily formed unit supported the actions of a tank division located in the direction of the main attack, fighting a conditional enemy of the army group.
Applying a new formation tripled the firepower of the district's radiation, chemical and biological defense troops....... "
And that was 3 (three!) Years ago !!! Do you think NOTHING has changed since then? Changed:
There is even more recent information:
".....The modification of the machine - a heavy flame-throwing system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" - was developed in 2001. In the RF Armed Forces, TOS-1 are in the NBC defense brigades of district subordination, each has a battalion with nine TOS-1A "Solntsepek", and in the NBC defense regiments of the army subordination - a company with three combat vehicles in each. In total, the troops have 72 flamethrower systems ..." (October 27 2020 year, source: https://vpk-news.ru/articles/59271)

There are other sources too!

[28st region]

I am not closing the topic, I will continue to leaf through information on this issue.
Not to leave the last word for oneself - it became interesting.

[venik]

Quote: 28st region

I am not closing the topic, I will continue to leaf through information on this issue.
Not to leave the last word for oneself - it became interesting.

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God! Yes, this is your ESSENTIAL right! But this topic is already NOT INTERESTING to me! I restored what I remembered and learned something new, and then ... You have your own point of view and your predictions, I have my own point of view and my predictions, and then: TIME WILL READ!
PS I apologize for the harshness of the discussion, but the comparison with the "political officer" really hooked me (there are personal reasons for this).
For sim:

[isv000]

Quote: 28st region

Other sources say 28 on 01.01.21/XNUMX/XNUMX.

And in other sources they say about a wolf and seven kids ...

[28st region]

If for you an article on VO is the primary source, then naturally OH

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tralflot1832

Uralmash works in three shifts when it has time.

Yes, it seems to be written in Russian - Tomsktransmash.

[tralflot1832]

At the beginning of the article it is written: This was reported by the press department of Uralvagonzavod. But the following parties will be modernized by Tomsktransmash, as I understand it.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tralflot1832

At the beginning of the article it is written: This was reported by the press department of Uralvagonzavod. But the following parties will be modernized by Tomsktransmash, as I understand it.

Misunderstood

Heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek" have been modernized at the Omsk Transport Engineering Plant.

[tralflot1832]

On December 6, Uralmash supplied a batch of modernized Malka artillery systems, Omsktransmash supplied a batch of TOS.

[Bad_gr]

06.12.2021

The Omsk Transport Machine Building Plant (a part of JSC Concern Uralvagonzavod is part of the State Corporation Rostec) handed over to the customer another batch of modernized heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A as part of the execution of the state defense order.
_Machines are made taking into account a number of design changes. So, they are equipped with modern starting equipment, which made it possible to increase the convenience of the crew members of the BM-1 combat vehicle and reduce the time for completing the assigned combat mission ......................

http://transmash-omsk.ru/

UVZ Corporation includes the following enterprises:

OJSC “Research and Production Corporation Uralvagonzavod”
OJSC Ural Transport Engineering Plant (Uraltransmash)
OJSC "Plant No. 9"
OJSC Rubtsovsk Machine-Building Plant
OJSC Kamensk-Uralsky Foundry
Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant - Uraltrac LLC and Vityaz Engineering Company OJSC
NPO Elektromashina OJSC
Uralkriomash OJSC
OJSC "All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Transport Engineering"
OJSC Central Research Institute Burevestnik
OJSC Central Research Institute of Materials
JSC "Research Institute of Engines"
OJSC Ural Scientific Research Technological Institute
OJSC "Scientific and Production Company for the Implementation of Scientific and Engineering Innovations"
OJSC "Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering"
JSC "Design Bureau of Transport Engineering"
OJSC "Special Design Bureau of Transport Engineering"
OJSC "Murom Special Design Bureau"
Ural Heavy Equipment - Uralvagonzavod CJSC UBT-UVZ
Volchan Mechanical Plant
OJSC "Electroautomat"
OJSC "ElectroMachine-building Plant" LEPSE ""
LLC UVZ-Logistic
CJSC UVZ-Trans
Sambre et meuse
Tver Carriage Works OJSC
OJSC Tomsk Electrotechnical Plant

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

JSC "Design Bureau of Transport Engineering"

................ In 2007 KBTM was privatized. The next year, for money from the federal budget, it bought out 90 percent of the property assets of the bankrupt GUP Omsktransmash [2]. On November 10 of the same year, the FSUE KBTM was transformed into Open Joint Stock Company "Design Bureau of Transport Engineering".
99,9 percent of the authorized capital of KBTM is owned by NPK Uralvagonzavod.

The name was returned in July 2014 Omsk Transport Engineering Plant.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: tralflot1832

Uralmash works in three shifts when it has time.

Well, with such an iconostasis, God himself ordered!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Vladimir61

with such an iconostasis, God himself commanded!

Yes, when was it?
When there was no god, by the way.

[just exp]

ummm, how long has Omsk moved to the Urals?

[SKVichyakow]

Good technique will "impress" anyone who sees his work.

[Flooding]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Good technique will "impress" anyone who sees his work.

300-mm rocket 9M55S with a thermobaric warhead
used MLRS 9K58 "Smerch"

Projectile weight - 800 kg
The mass of the warhead - 280 kg
Maksim. firing range - 70 km
Warhead type - monoblock thermobaric

hot stuff too

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Flood

Quote: SKVichyakow

Good technique will "impress" anyone who sees his work.

300-mm rocket 9M55S with a thermobaric warhead
used MLRS 9K58 "Smerch"

Projectile weight - 800 kg
The mass of the warhead - 280 kg
Maksim. firing range - 70 km
Warhead type - monoblock thermobaric

hot stuff too

The coupe will create a good impression on our "partners".

[GRANATE-19]

For all MLRS there is ammunition with a thermobaric warhead ...
But the most beautiful thing is the "garland" at night. Only not from the plane, otherwise something else falls from it and breaks trees, with something somewhere nearby!

[Yujanin]

300-mm rocket 9M55S with a thermobaric warhead
used MLRS 9K58 "Smerch"

Projectile weight - 800 kg
The mass of the warhead - 280 kg
Maksim. firing range - 70 km
Warhead type - monoblock thermobaric

What do they write about the accuracy of the shooting?

[Flooding]

Quote: Yujanin

What do they write about the accuracy of the shooting?

accuracy or accuracy?

"A distinctive feature of the shells is the presence of a flight control system that corrects the trajectory of pitch and yaw. Due to the use of this system, the accuracy of hits of the Smerch does not exceed 0,21% of the salvo range, which brings it closer to artillery in accuracy."

[Yujanin]

accuracy or accuracy?

I meant the spread of shells

"A distinctive feature of the shells is the presence of a flight control system that corrects the trajectory of movement in pitch and yaw. Due to the use of this system, the accuracy of hits of the "Tornado" does not exceed 0,21% of the salvo range, which brings it closer by accuracy for artillery pieces"

Now there are no questions. Plus you for the useful information.

[113262a]

We are waiting for the North Wind. Buratina should be blown out to us too!

[Silver bullet]

Let there be peace, but if the Supreme and Biden do not agree, the Bora will blow, not the wind. A packet flying 15 km along enemy positions will reset the calculations of "Javelins", snipers with "Barrets" and other devices that the Ukromarshals rely on. The attached heavy flamethrower battalion in the BTGR offensive zone will finish off what will survive after the VKS strikes. The Sumerians and their apologists on the forum do not quite realize that no one in the Russian army dreams of war, but when making such a decision as a response to the threat to the security and existence of Russia, it will not be a counter-terrorist operation (CTO), but a dissection on the boilers and the rapid elimination of the entire ground grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is even nothing to say about the aviation and naval forces of Ukraine. Nobody wins a guerrilla war, but the methods of struggle are known. The only question is who will decode the brains of the local population, who have been dirtied by all their convolutions for 30 years. As for the money to restore ties with our industries, the question is most likely not worth it. About Swift, gas, oil in 2014 it would be painful, but not fatal. Now there will be a U-turn to Asia.

[Edik]

Quote: Silver bullet

Let there be peace, but if Supreme and Biden do not agree

By predestination, they will not be able to agree, since our goals are different!
But after talking with the Supreme Biden will calm down a little, and then the same song will begin.

Quote: Silver bullet

The only question is who will decode the brains of the local population, who have been dirtied by all their convolutions for 30 years.

There is such a box, the TV is called, and of course the school programs should be directed in the right direction.

Quote: Silver bullet

As for the money to restore ties with our industries, the question is most likely not worth it. About Swift, gas, oil in 2014 it would be painful, but not fatal

I keep thinking, but it would be more likely already, .. For a long time they all threaten, and we can’t wait for everything, we have everything ready and they are pulling everything.

[vervolk]

you are right in many ways, but you can make some correction. Let's just say if Russia is provoked and the issue has to be resolved radically, then such a scenario is possible. destruction of the places of deployment of the most rabid natsbats, guilty of crimes against the Russian-speaking population. to inflict pinpoint strikes at warehouses, points of communication, to capture or destroy headquarters, in general to decapitate the Armed Forces grouping and disarm it. most likely, the brave Bandera jackals will begin to panic like rodents in the eighth year. and they will begin a colossal drape to the west. let them replenish the army of defeatists and all-fighters in western Ukraine beyond the Dnieper. But the establishment of a peaceful order of the new administration must be transferred into the hands of cadres from Donbass and Crimea, these people definitely have love for those who spent all eight years in the position of "my house is on the edge" and allowed to bomb Donbas and choke Crimea with droughts. as well as the road back to the remnants of the Square. which by the way is likely to be divided between Hungary and Poland.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: vervolk

the establishment of a peaceful order of the new administration must be transferred into the hands of personnel from Donbass and Crimea

Yes, you, my friend, are an optimist.
How long has there been news about the next "landing" in the Crimea.
And what is happening on the belligerent territory, no prosecutor's office will figure it out.

[Alex777]

Quote: vervolk

destruction of the places of deployment of the most rabid natsbats, guilty of crimes against the Russian-speaking population. to inflict pinpoint strikes on warehouses, points of communication, to capture or destroy headquarters, in general to decapitate the group of the Armed Forces

I hope so.

[prior]

Judging by the color of the soil, it is black soil.
What does it mean?
And this means - everything for you, dear "non-brothers".

[Jacket in stock]

And still I don’t understand, where does the RHBZ have to do with it?
The usual assault MLRS, differs from the Hurricane except in the cut off shells, and, accordingly, in the enhanced protection of the vehicle.

[vervolk]

it was once thought that thermobaric explosions would effectively cleanse the atmosphere from clouds of toxic substances. ..

[sen]

A batch of modernized heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" delivered to the troops

Flamethrower installations are needed, not only large ones. For a battle in a city, you need something smaller in terms of the number of guides and better on the basis of a robot, say Uran-9, so that people are not exposed to retaliation when firing direct fire. He jumped out from behind cover, fired and hid.

[vervolk]

yes, apparently this is the future, especially in conjunction with the "terminator" BMPT and under the cover of the "orlan" and "hunter" UAVs, the war goes to war of operators

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: sen

To fight in the city you need something smaller

Bumblebee for example?

[Dr_Chimer]

And ve them to the border with Ukraine! They are cold!

[Yujanin]

for TOS-1 and TOS-1A long-range ammunition from TOS-2 (Tosochki) will be adapted, thereby increasing the range of TOS up to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

Interestingly, in the design bureau, due to what they will increase the range of missiles, reduce the thermobaric ammunition, increasing the fuel of the engine?

[Normann]

And if a new type of fuel for this particular ammunition

[Yujanin]

And if a new type of fuel for this particular ammunition

Likely.

[eehnie]

The improvements made are on the right track, but still fall a bit short in my opinion. It is conceptually incorrect that a heavy weapon like this could be at a disadvantage compared to a portable 120mm mortar that can reach 17,5km range with rocket projectiles. Much lower tier weapons should never be sufficient to counter weapons such as the TOS-1 and TOS-2 systems.

The TOS1 and TOS-2 systems would have to have at least one type of ammunition with a range of about 20 km, even if this is due to some firepower of that particular type of projectile. Otherwise, there will always be some kind of enemy portable mortar launcher trying to find safe positions at the limit of range in order to attack TOC systems and tanks. And the situation should be the opposite.

(Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

The improvements introduced are going by the right line, but still fall a little short in my opinion. Conceptually is not right that a heavy weapon like this can be in disadvantage against a man-portable mortar of 120mm that can reach 17.5 Km of range with Rockett Assisted Projectiles. A weapon of much inferior level should never be enough to deal with weapons like the TOS-1 and TOS-2 systems.

The TOS1 and TOS-2 systems would need to have at least one type of ammunition that reachs around 20 Km of range, even if it is at the cost of some firepower in this concrete type of projectile. Otherwise always will be some man-portable mortar unit of the adversary trying to find safe positions in the limit of the range, to attack the TOS systems and tanks. And the situation should be the opposite.

[machete]

Lighters