The reusable stage of the Wing-SV launch vehicle will be tested in the form of a drone

Russian specialists continue work on the creation of a reusable space stage within the framework of the Wing-SV project, which implies the development of a light-class launch vehicle.

The next stage of testing the new development will be the creation on the basis of a reusable stage drone, i.e. one of the demonstrators will be equipped with landing gear, a turbojet engine and a nose fairing, which will allow the stage to take off from the airfield and land like an airplane.

As explained by a source in the rocket and space industry, the words of which are quoted RIA NewsThus, it is planned to check the characteristics of the flight of the stage in the atmosphere. The tests will be carried out at one of the military airfields, they are tentatively scheduled for the second half of next year.

Earlier, the Bartini Design Bureau TsNIIMash said that the reusable rocket stage would be able to land in various options, including on unpaved airfields. For this "Krylo-SV" will be equipped with replaceable equipment, including both wheels and skis.

The development of a reusable stage within the Wing-SV project started in 2019. It is planned that this stage of the launch vehicle, after the launch of the load into space, will return to the airfield on its own using the engine and wings. The development of the engine for Krylo-SV started last year, at the same time it was decided to assemble the stage demonstrators.

Earlier, some dimensions of the return stage became known: length - 6 meters, diameter - 80 cm. The promising engine was tentatively named "Whirlwind". It is a liquid propellant rocket engine with electrically driven pumping units using oxygen / LNG fuel vapor. Estimated engine thrust at sea level - 4000 kgf.

Comments

[Rex]

Somehow confusing diameter 0,8 meters and a payload weight of 600 kg.

[mark1]

A package of 4-6 blocks of the first stage - the load will turn out decently, but probably still it was necessary to start with the URM and not quite train on cats

[Rex]

Wouldn't it be too complicated a package?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rex

Wouldn't it be too complicated a package?

The first stage in the form of a package since the days of S.P. Korolev's "seven" is still used today

[knn54]

THE BASIS of the development is the project of the late 90s "Baikal" of the Khrunichev State Corporation of NPC Today, a new design bureau is being created under "Wing-SV". Why ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: knn54

THE BASIS of the development is the project of the late 90s "Baikal" of the Khrunichev State Corporation of NPC Today, a new design bureau is being created under "Wing-SV". Why ...

"jobs" .. "MiG" and "Su" are also rammed into one ... more fun together.

[Bar1]

Quote: Rex

Somehow confusing diameter 0,8 meters and a payload weight of 600 kg.

3m9 Cube performance characteristics
-weight-600kg
-length -6m
-diameter-0.33m
secret data

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Quote: Rex

Somehow confusing diameter 0,8 meters and a payload weight of 600 kg.

we are talking about a large-scale technology demonstrator, which will be used to test the return "like an airplane"

[Barberry25]

well, first it would be nice to test the disposable blocks, and then continue with the returnable ones ... although the main thing here is the cost of putting them into orbit ..

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Quote: Barberry25

well, first it would be nice to test the disposable blocks, and then continue with the returnable ones ... although the main thing here is the cost of putting them into orbit ..

Once again, we are talking about a demonstrator of the technology for returning the stage "by airplane". What does "disposable blocks" have to do with it? Directly the SLK "Irkut" itself implies both one-time and reusable versions, the stage of introducing a full-fledged carrier will be after the technology has been developed at the turn of 2025.

[svp67]

Quote: Rex

Somehow confusing diameter 0,8 meters and a payload weight of 600 kg.

So here, here's the thing ... even though they say that they started development in 2019, they somehow forget to mention that the Baikal-Angara system was previously developed and passed a certain stage of testing, using a return and control system the reusable orbiter "Buran".

[Reserve buildbat]

Now this "Baikal" is in Verkhnyaya Pyshma.

[svp67]

Quote: Stroibat stock

Now this "Baikal" is in Verkhnyaya Pyshma.

And where is he there? as it was two months ago did not observe

[Reserve buildbat]

Look at my photo report, made in June))) Lies, darling, hidden "behind the string".

[svp67]

Well, yes ... what was there in the backyard ... behind the automotive department

[Reserve buildbat]

Exactly there. And Angara, and Baikal, and T-26-4 from the excavation, and a lot of all "tasty".

[astepanov]

The promising engine was tentatively named "Whirlwind"

I had one on my boat in the late eighties. An unreliable and voracious car.
But I'm ashamed to ask: there are no plans for reusable ICBMs? It would be a cool thing.

[Kurare]

Quote: astepanov

But I'm ashamed to ask: there are no plans for reusable ICBMs? It would be a cool thing.

If it comes to this, most likely there will be no one to "pick up" it.

[rocket757]

The reusable stage of the Wing-SV launch vehicle will be tested in the form of a drone

... And what, the "Spiral" system is no longer considered as promising, nowhere and in any way?
However, there may be a secret, a secret that cannot be talked about / written about!

[Cosm22]

And what to do with the highly publicized project "Wing-SV"?
Apparently, it has come to the RK that it is not serious to consider this type of return of the first stage of the launch vehicle.
That's just as a UAV, such a device can and will do.

[Barberry25]

why should the stage NOT be in the form of a UAV? Landing control from the ground will not be easy, but there is experience in creating autopilots for aircraft, so it's easier to adapt an automatic landing system than to pervert with a two-way control channel.

[Grandfather]

Quote: rocket757

... And what, the "Spiral" system is no longer considered as promising, nowhere and in any way?

the creator has already died ... but the current ones will not figure it out ...

[Barberry25]

but nothing that these are different directions? this is the same as criticizing the Falcon Musk by the fact that shuttles used to be ..

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: rocket757

And what, the Spiral system is no longer viewed as promising, nowhere and in any way?

Well, "Spiral" and "Wing-SV" are still two different vesches! Everyone has their own "hobby"!

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Quote: rocket757

And what, the Spiral system is no longer viewed as promising, nowhere and in any way?

Spiral is an orbital manned interceptor from the 70s. Interceptors don't have to be manned today.

First Deputy Chief of the US Space Force David Thompson is complaining here, saying: Then, the Russian satellite backed away and conducted a weapons test. It released a small target and then shot it with a projectile. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/30/space-race-china-david-thompson/

He flew up, they say, so small and banged nearby. And then wash the pants.

[rocket757]

So instead of a "pilot", to cram AI, or with AI elements, a high degree of automation ... on a modern element base, this is a completely solvable task.

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Quote: rocket757

So instead of a "pilot", to cram AI, or with AI elements, a high degree of automation ... on a modern element base, this is a completely solvable task.

This is not a matter of solvability, it is a matter of practicality - if the MCA does the same for three kopecks, why launch a reusable spacecraft for a hundred million?

[rocket757]

The question, of course, is an interesting one, what and how much will it cost?
However, this is accounting, you cannot argue against them.
The main thing is that there was the desired result, in general.

[Barberry25]

the main thing here when making a meat grinder is not to invent a tank ... the task is simple - to make a super-cheap rocket for the delivery of small loads into orbit with an eye on the return stage, which will be corny due to free fall and a small supply of fuel to land on the nearest airfield, the return stage will not burn out, and so fick with it, a cheap rocket will remain in any case, demand for it is growing every year - many countries want to put small satellites into orbit, and not wait until the Soyuz spacecraft is loaded

[tralflot1832]

They are making a fool of our brother, this is a new class of ballistic missiles, for completely different purposes.

[Trapp1st]

For completely different purposes.

There are dual-use technologies. The first satellite was launched with an R-7 rocket.

[tralflot1832]

In the US, too, are not fools.

[donavi49]

Meanwhile, Peter Beck returned his rocket.

Preparing a flight to the moon next year.

The new Booster, which will be caught by helicopter, has already been built.

Well, Neutron was rethought a little. They made it more innovative, but if Musk went into different alloys, then Beck sticks to his chip - carbon composites with nanostructures.

[Cosm22]

Composite is a moot point. Yes, the first stage does not need to worry too much about thermal protection. But the question price?
But Comrade Beck thinks in a very original way. The idea is good. And the stated performance characteristics are impressive. The mass of the launched launch vehicle on LEO 8000 kg and 15000 kg in a single-use version looks impressive. Neutron can to some extent even compete with the "nine" Spaces. True, the "nine" is already flying successfully, but here it is still foggy. For the same methane Archimedes.

[Grandfather]

Quote: donavi49

Meanwhile, Peter Beck returned his rocket.

Preparing a flight to the moon next year.

The new Booster, which will be caught by helicopter, has already been built.

Well, Neutron was rethought a little. They made it more innovative, but if Musk went into different alloys, then Beck sticks to his chip - carbon composites with nanostructures.

yes not ... they are stupid there ..

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Quote: donavi49

Meanwhile, Peter Beck ...

He is trying to fit into the niche of our Soyuz-2. With the last four commercial cluster launches, we have thrown 110 cubesat-type MCVs and more into space, not counting the main target payload. Easy and incidentally, for a very tasty price for customers. And the toad strangled him.

Meanwhile, the Tekhnodinamika concern is starting to create a parachute system for the URM. In principle, they have experience of landing parachute systems. Empty, without fuel, URM-1 weighs about 10,5 tons, and the same BMD-4 - 13,6 tons. The scheme with a helicopter step pick-up has been calculated.

[FrankyStein]

A parachute, a helicopter, an airplane ... why bother building a garden when the step itself can land.

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Quote: FrankyStein

A parachute, a helicopter, an airplane ... why bother building a garden when the step itself can land.

I explain - we do not have an ocean around the cosmodrome with a barge that can be adjusted to the landing site. We have taiga around. The winged ultralight launch vehicle will allow an all-azimuth launch of small spacecraft - in any direction at any inclinations from a simple launch pad. Parachute - to reuse the RD-191M tanks and engine at the first stage of the light Angara-1.2, the helicopter is needed there for soft pickup of the stage descending by parachute and bringing it directly to the MIC.

As for the medium carrier Amur-LNG, there is a jet landing on the landing sites, since there are certain launch azimuths and several engines in the first stage.