"It will not work to scare Japan": foreign press on Tokyo's possible response to joint patrols between Russia and China

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The intensification of joint military actions between Russia and China near Japanese territory "is intended to intimidate Tokyo." However, this tactic will have the opposite effect - you will not be able to scare.

This opinion is expressed on the pages of the British publication RUSI, based on the increase in the number of exercises taking place near Japan, with the involvement of the air and naval forces of Russia and China. So, October 18 flotilla of 10 ships of the Russian Navy and the PLA, it bypassed the main Japanese islands. Already on November 19, a joint patrol of Russian strategic bombers Tu-95MS, Su-35S fighters and two Chinese H-6 patrol aircraft took place near Japan.



This intensification of military activity unsettled Japan. Speaking on November 23, Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi said that repeated military exercises between China and Russia could be seen as a show of force against Japan.

- indicated in the publication.

As the author explains, Moscow by its actions is sending Tokyo a signal about the inadmissibility of intensifying Japan's cooperation with NATO, including in Northeast Asia, and is seeking more friendly relations between the countries.

China shows its dissatisfaction with the Japanese authorities' contacts with Taiwan and the deepening of Tokyo's military cooperation with the United States, India and Australia in the Quad format, which Beijing describes as "Asian NATO."

Moscow and Beijing seem intent on making Japan feel surrounded and thereby forcing it to refrain from actions deemed contrary to Russian and Chinese interests [...] However, these efforts are likely to be counterproductive.

- indicated in the publication.

On the contrary, the exact opposite response is to be expected. This is what the British press thinks. In particular, the intensification of military cooperation between Japan and the United States, for example, Tokyo may decide to finance American troops deployed in its country [annual payment of an additional $ 0,4 billion]. Secondly, Tokyo will expand its network of alliances, for example, at the expense of Australia. And thirdly, instead of the unspoken level of military spending in the amount of 1% of GDP, they are expected to increase to 2%.

You won't be able to scare Japan. In an increasingly harsh foreign policy environment, Japan must reject historical hesitation and become a more active participant in international security

- the conclusion is made in the foreign press.

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  1. -26
    2 December 2021 20: 07
    Japan has historically always had a strong navy. In a conflict without nuclear weapons, Japan will dry out both the Chinese under-fleet (which has never won) and the Russian fleet in the Pacific. So you need to be careful with Japan.
    1. -1
      2 December 2021 20: 10
      Quote: Knight Templar
      Japan has historically always had a strong navy

      The key word here is "was". They do not have a strong fleet today. They can only defend themselves by relying on the United States.
      1. +13
        2 December 2021 20: 13
        The key word here is "was". They do not have a strong fleet today.

        Are you not a relative of Nicholas II?
        1. -1
          3 December 2021 19: 16
          The British are confident that Japan cannot be intimidated by joint Russian-Chinese air patrols. But the Japanese themselves are not sure of this ... laughing laughing laughing
      2. +2
        2 December 2021 20: 14
        They have quite a strong fleet for defense. Their capacity will allow them to build up the required number of offensive weapons as soon as the appropriate law is passed. Well, let's not forget about the USA, Taiwan and South Korea. This is only northeast asia.
        1. +3
          2 December 2021 20: 15
          Our missile systems are quite enough to completely destroy their home ports.
          Plus aviation, which will strike without leaving the airspace of the Russian Federation.
          1. -12
            2 December 2021 23: 16
            Plus aviation, which will strike without leaving the airspace of the Russian Federation.

            Why not leave the airspace of the Russian Federation? In the event of strikes against Japan, there will clearly be a war with NATO, and then there will be no less chemical weapons strikes on kindergartens and schools with nursing homes, even the use of (a full arsenal) of nuclear weapons. The ending is not very predictable. Although one politician said with the best of feelings that a place in paradise awaits us all ... It would be better to consider how to put the Japanese economy in an uncomfortable position.
        2. 0
          2 December 2021 20: 24
          Their power will allow them to increase the required number of offensive weapons.

          And the United States, which has been fucking with them for almost four years, will allow them to build up their offensive weapons? wink
          1. DPN
            +3
            2 December 2021 22: 31
            The USA will only rub their hands about pleasure: while they will bludgeon each other.
          2. +2
            2 December 2021 23: 18
            And the United States, which has been fucking with them for almost four years, will allow them to build up their offensive weapons?

            Even more so, especially if either the technologies are bought in the United States, or what is even better, not only the technologies, but also a loan in the United States will be taken for this and the weapons themselves will be produced in the United States.
          3. +3
            3 December 2021 00: 04
            Quote: Xlor
            Their power will allow them to increase the required number of offensive weapons.

            And the United States, which has been fucking with them for almost four years, will allow them to build up their offensive weapons? wink

            what For the United States, the Japanese archipelago is simply a super aircraft carrier (aka auxiliary supply vessel) as part of the 7th Fleet. In case of destruction of a warship, the impossibility of continuing the struggle for the survivability of the vessel, the "captain" will decide to rescue the crew. I think the American team has a means of rescue on this "aircraft carrier". Yes
      3. 0
        2 December 2021 20: 17
        The key phrase here is "no nuclear weapons"
        Even if a conflict begins without nuclear weapons, it will end with it.
        There will be no winners
        1. -1
          2 December 2021 20: 20
          After the Second World War, there were a lot of conflicts without nuclear weapons and there were winners and losers. It is better for any country to lose in a local conflict than to use nuclear weapons, and then the end will be for everyone.
          1. +6
            2 December 2021 20: 21
            Quote: Knight Templar
            After World War II, there were a lot of conflicts without nuclear weapons

            But there was no conflict between the NATO country and the enemy with nuclear weapons.
            1. +2
              2 December 2021 23: 24

              But there was no conflict between the NATO country and the enemy with nuclear weapons.

              This is not the question. When would NATO have reason to stand up for its own?
          2. +2
            2 December 2021 23: 22
            After the Second World War, there were a lot of conflicts without nuclear weapons and there were winners and losers. It is better for any country to lose in a local conflict than to use nuclear weapons, and then the end will be for everyone.

            It's just that none of the nuclear powers have been so badly affected by the loss of part of their territory. And the only question is whether it will pin us down so much that we will not give up some of the smokes and, at the same time, the sea area?
      4. +12
        2 December 2021 20: 22

        We wouldn't have such a Pacific fleet! And this is only for 2019 soldier
      5. +18
        2 December 2021 20: 27
        Quote: Anarchist
        The key word here is "was". They do not have a strong fleet today.

        Japan, India, Britain and France are ranked 3rd to 6th in terms of naval power, after the United States and China.
        Japan has 22 submarines, 2 light aircraft carriers, 2 helicopter carriers, 41 destroyers, 21 AWACS aircraft and 72 PLOs. They keep building them.
        Our surface fleet is all less than the number of their destroyers. AWACS and PLO aircraft are just tears.

        1. +3
          2 December 2021 21: 13
          You yourself will carry oil for this fleet by China. Well, well.
          1. +4
            2 December 2021 21: 19
            I AM? No. My profession is different. Oil and gas will be transported by the same people who used to be. Tankers from the USA, Russia and the Gulf countries. China will not even rock the boat against them. Do not make me laugh.
            1. -1
              2 December 2021 21: 35
              If there is a batch, Japan has only one hope for the United States. Southeast Asia is under China's control, not a single tanker will slip through.
              1. +3
                2 December 2021 23: 09
                You are so sure that all of Southeast Asia is under the control of China, I very much doubt that other than North Korea, the PRC has no allies. Since you are connected with the fleet by nickname, you will not tell me what the Japanese Navy was doing in the 60-80s. Although I am far from the fleet, I know that the main task of the Japanese Navy in the 60-80s was to fight the USSR submarine fleet and surfaced. And than China will block Japan with surface ships, but in reality, the PRC's submarine fleet will simply be flooded if it leaves the bases of China. And there they will reach the surface blockers, and China is also vulnerable to a blockade from the sea.
                1. +1
                  2 December 2021 23: 16
                  As oil is delivered to Japan, not along China. He and the fleet from the bases does not need to be withdrawn to smash these tankers to smithereens from the coast with missiles. In Japan, oil terminals and storage facilities are 100% protected. How long can Japan hold out without oil?
                  1. +1
                    3 December 2021 00: 08
                    And that Mexico, the United States are poor in oil, or Indonesia is a continuous continent, there are only two straits from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean, or Japan grazes the latter in rocketry. Or do you think that in China madmen are sitting who only dream of washing off the islands with a loaf of loaf. It's just that in an ordinary confrontation without nuclear weapons, I don't see China's superiority. the fleet was defeated by a small but experienced enemy.
                    1. -3
                      3 December 2021 07: 16
                      Having such an advantage at sea, why does Japan threaten only in words? Yes, because it is an island without minerals. And they have a good memory: they lost it so successfully, having started 2 MV, before there was a carrier-based aircraft strike force, and now missiles of different types The Chinese have no problems with target designation, satellites, according to "Ragozin fans", China bakes like hot cakes.
        2. +5
          2 December 2021 22: 29
          And China? They sharpen their teeth on the yapps more than we do.
      6. +2
        2 December 2021 20: 29
        They can only defend

        In 1904, they also said so sad
        1. +2
          2 December 2021 22: 27
          Now is not 1904 - now is the era of rocket weapons, and Russia has a lot of all kinds of weapons, including anti-ship weapons as air surface, ground-based and submarine-based ones - and what Japan has in this regard is not required to answer.
          1. -4
            2 December 2021 22: 51
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now is not 1904 - now is the era of rocket weapons and Russia has a lot of them all and different

            What will prevent Japan from acquiring missile weapons other than its own constitution? If necessary, technologies (or weapons) will be transferred to them by the same USA. For such a technologically highly developed country, obtaining its own nuclear weapons will not be an insoluble problem, especially with the support of the United States.
            1. +3
              2 December 2021 23: 03
              Tell me, why hasn't Japan acquired such a luxury before? The conflict with China has been brewing for several years, there was enough time. Still, you should not consider the topic of the conflict in the context of Russia-Japan, the topic is a little wider, which is stated in the topic of the article.
              1. +1
                3 December 2021 11: 16
                Japan has its own main-class missiles
            2. -2
              2 December 2021 23: 07
              "What will prevent Japan from acquiring missile weapons other than its own constitution?" The complete absence of a school for the creation and production of such missiles - no one, including the United States, will sell them new weapons, so in the next 10 years they will not appear there, but the fact that they are threatening to create tactical hypersonic missiles there, they will not create them the same soon. With nuclear weapons, the same bullshit.
              1. +5
                3 December 2021 00: 51
                I have a feeling that we are here with fans of Japanese anime and manga communicating
                1. +1
                  3 December 2021 08: 08
                  Quote: suhorukofal
                  I have a feeling that we are here with fans of Japanese anime and manga communicating

                  And I have a feeling that we are communicating with jingoistic patriots and followers of Kuropatkin and Rozhdestvensky.
                  1. +2
                    3 December 2021 16: 11
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Kuropatkin and Rozhdestvensky.

                    Rozhdestvensky, dear interlocutor, not RozhDeshestvensky. I do not want to offend, I myself have forgotten a lot in this topic, but mistakes in such simple things speak about the entire "depth of depth" of knowledge of the topic.
                    1. +2
                      3 December 2021 16: 32
                      Quote: suhorukofal
                      but mistakes in such simple things speak of the entire "depth of depths" of knowledge of the topic.

                      They don't talk about anything, dear interlocutor, but only about haste.
                      Quote: suhorukofal
                      Rozhdestvensky, dear interlocutor, not RozhDeshestvensky.

                      Thank you for correcting it, but this does not change the essence of the comment.
                      Quote: suhorukofal
                      I myself have forgotten a lot in this topic

                      Not forgetfulness, but haste, nothing more. Who can stop the Japanese from giving us such an unpleasant surprise? China? Would she want to? As for the government, today it is no better than in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia. Regarding weapons, then the Republic of Ingushetia, perhaps, had some superiority in weapons.
                      1. +3
                        3 December 2021 16: 56
                        Understood. Haste, it happens to everyone.
                        Actually on the topic, I'm not about the military power of Russia in the Far East, not about who is stronger, and who has longer, but I express my idea that Japan, with its problems in relations with China, would temporarily keep silent about the "northern territories ", she herself complicates the situation. The alliance of Russia with China, in my opinion, here is clearly provoked by the behavior of Japan.
                        Regarding hurray-patriotism, it's up to you, I'll tell you about my attitude - here Russia needs to play on contradictions, and not take someone's side unequivocally, whether we are strong or weak to judge her, but I do not agree that we need to reason about the superiority of the Japanese Armed Forces, we are talking about her political actions, the choice of allies, as well as other political actions.
                      2. +2
                        3 December 2021 17: 10
                        Quote: suhorukofal
                        Union of Russia with China,

                        The union of Russia with China, today, is like the union of a cat with a sausage. The economic power of China and Russia is far too incomparable.
                        Quote: suhorukofal
                        that Japan, with its problems in relations with China, would keep silent about the "northern territories" for a while, it complicates the situation for itself.

                        Sooner or later they will try Russia "on the grudge", they are not in vain building up their armed forces. And the USA, again, it will be beneficial. And we, besides nuclear weapons, have nothing to answer. And then Ukraine, Afghanistan, etc. ...... ("Buffer overflow")
                        Quote: suhorukofal
                        About hurray-patriotism,

                        For me, hurray-patriotism and hatred - there is nothing worse than this. More than 80% of defeats, one way or another, are associated with underestimating the enemy. Even in everyday life, even in interstate relations.
                      3. +1
                        3 December 2021 17: 26
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        For me, hurray-patriotism and hatred - there is nothing worse than this. More than 80% of defeats, in one way or another, are associated with underestimating the enemy

                        So I am the same. I do not understand what the disagreement is. My opinion is that Japan has once again overestimated its strength in its history. So this is good, let them deal with China fervently and with a twinkle. We are here to look for parallels with 1905, to talk about the power of our Armed Forces, whom can we stammer and how strong is Japan, while we sail on paper boats? On this I disagree with you, in this approach. For such cases, there are diplomats, they have big heads, let them think how to stay with this business in white gloves. our situation is different, China, as you rightly noted, clearly does not look at us with adoration, and
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Sooner or later, they will try Russia "to the teeth"

                        In my opinion, important for everyone, any of these "friends" can taste it. For me, neither China nor Japan are clearly friends, we need to defend our interests, not fawn. Therefore, your words disliked how strong Japan is, and we ... yes, no one at all, hurray-patriots are stupid.
              2. +1
                3 December 2021 11: 17
                Japan has its own main-class missiles
                1. -3
                  3 December 2021 18: 16
                  What missiles they have - except for the Harpoons and their own subsonic analogue.
                  1. 0
                    28 December 2021 07: 38
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Guided_missiles_of_Japan
      7. +1
        2 December 2021 21: 53
        And there is no need to scare Japan ... So, a little REMINDER! hi
      8. +2
        2 December 2021 21: 57
        Quote: Anarchist
        They can only defend

        and laugh with two 20380 composed of (in fact) Chinese (!) ship group ... what
        and when the Pacific Fleet begins to replenish also 22800 (which, like Pella, will stand after the construction of the hulls, in line for the engines, at the outfitting wall of the ASZ ) ... https://topwar.ru/189743-malye-raketnye-korabli-proekta-22800-karakurt-usiljat-tihookeanskij-flot.html) ...
        it's just a thrill ...
        it's a pity ... crying
      9. +5
        2 December 2021 23: 22
        Japan still has a very strong and modern fleet today.

        And the Chinese cannot be underestimated at sea either.
        They are diligent students.
        And they accurately copy the tactics and techniques of the American fleet.
    2. -15
      2 December 2021 20: 13
      Quote: Knight Templar
      Japan has historically always had a strong navy. In a conflict without nuclear weapons, Japan will dry out both the Chinese under-fleet (which has never won) and the Russian fleet in the Pacific.

      And then the Americans will once again throw a nuclear bomb at them in order to slow down some very disgruntled comrades.
      1. -8
        2 December 2021 20: 15
        This time, the Americans will only be happy about the eastern tiger.
        1. -9
          2 December 2021 20: 19
          Quote: Knight Templar
          This time, the Americans will only be happy about the eastern tiger.

          Eastern skunk, they are no longer a tiger
    3. -3
      2 December 2021 20: 17
      Quote: Knight Templar
      Chinese underflot

      Strong statement
      In a conflict without nuclear weapons, Japan will crush the Chinese under-fleet as well. So you need to be careful with Japan.

      Oh, I feel they will remember a lot. And they will sink this island completely. They are not in a position to threaten Russia and China. They can smell, but no more
      1. 0
        2 December 2021 21: 26
        with one curtain of twenty boats, they can resolve all issues with the Russian Navy and send half of the Chinese to the bottom. Even without NK withdrawal.
        1. -5
          2 December 2021 22: 36
          Yes, yes, they can - and our strategic aviation will be able to permanently solve with Japan - by striking 800 cruise missiles, including those on the ports of origin of these ships and submarines, so that after the destruction of our fleet, the samurai will have nowhere to return to all ports and warehouses and the material support of the fleet will be destroyed. And since Russia has withdrawn from the INF Treaty, the same Iskanders in the Far East will be able to add similar calibers with a range of 2600 kilometers to Japan with calibers with a range of 500 kilometers.
          1. +3
            2 December 2021 22: 56
            O! mHello hurray to patriots and hats.
            You probably missed several articles on the subject of the Far East's naval strategic aviation and are not entirely aware that it does not exist.
            1. +1
              2 December 2021 23: 54
              And I’m not a urapatriot and a non-shapkozakidatel - all according to the facts and the available variety of missile weapons in the RF Armed Forces. They will pull on us - we will not remain in the answer; we will test everything that is in service in a real battle. "Probably missed a few articles on the subject of naval strategic aviation." What the fuck is naval strategic aviation - I am writing about the usual strategic Tu 160 and Tu 95 with missiles X 101 and X 555, it will be enough to do all of Japan without leaving our airspace. All ships in modern warfare are simply expensive stuffed troughs, one hit by the simplest anti-ship missile system will not sink them, but will disable them for a long time, and after a supersonic Onyx-type hits, the entire warship will go straight to scrap metal due to significant damage and the impossibility and expediency of repairs with the appearance of such means of destruction, warships have forever lost their combat significance and they are no longer a decisive factor; now there is a crisis of the platform, the larger the platform - a combat unit and the slower the easier it is to detect and destroy the ships are ideal in this regard, and their stuffing only increases the price of the complexity of construction and maintenance - in other words, a large surface fleet is now just sosalovo money from the budget, from which there will be a minimum in real hostilities - the sword has long surpassed the shield.
              1. 0
                3 December 2021 05: 26
                Will pull on us - we will not remain in the answer

                As always. There are many letters without meaning and content.
                You should work in the propaganda department or serve as a political officer ...
                The article is actually called:

                You won't be able to scare Japan ": foreign press on Tokyo's possible response to joint patrols between Russia and China

                Not about your dreams.
                1. -3
                  3 December 2021 18: 19
                  "As always. Lots of letters without meaning or content." For people like you, it makes no sense because the blind and the deaf are useless to write and speak for you.
          2. +5
            2 December 2021 23: 27
            "to solve forever with Japan - strike by 800 cruise missiles, including on the ports of base of these ships" ///
            ---
            This is fantasy.
            The only way for Russia to withdraw Japan from the war
            (If the conflict flares up) - a nuclear strike on Japanese territory.
            In the conventional war with Japan, the Japanese fleet will confidently win
            TOF.
            1. -1
              2 December 2021 23: 37
              And Vadim will now argue for the sake of a dispute and prove that 800 super missiles (which do not even exist) will solve all problems.
              1. -2
                3 December 2021 18: 27
                "Which do not even exist" You have nothing, but in Russia alone X 101 is produced more than 300 per year - greetings from the subcontractor KTRV. All your verkins in the fleet have been in flight for a long time. And Japan will not be at war with us, since not any Timokhin and others like them show in their fantasy scribbles.
              2. -3
                3 December 2021 21: 13
                Immediately it is clear that the scaddoms who are stuck in the past have nothing to answer constructively to the facts, and they can only put minuses.
            2. -4
              3 December 2021 18: 23
              This is not a fantasy, since all strategic aviation can unleash 800 cruise missiles on the enemy, and in the first raid and the next, the same thing - all energy warehouses, airfields, radar ports will be disabled within a few days. And greetings to surface ships from the same Bastions and Tu 22 with X 22 32 Granites and Calibers - our Pacific Fleet will not attack head-on - these days are over.
    4. +14
      2 December 2021 20: 21
      the current war is not waged by forces of an exceptional one kind. If we are to consider a naval conflict, then it is necessary to take into account both the level of missile defense and the level of saturation with aviation, etc. etc. Those. it is not entirely correct to assess the combat capabilities from the point of view of participation in the conflict of only one component (navy).
    5. -1
      2 December 2021 22: 15
      Keyword "no yao"
      And so yeah, the hedgehog is so strong, but light :(
    6. -3
      2 December 2021 22: 22
      Unlike Japan, Russia has long-range missiles such as the Dagger X 22 X 32 Onyx and Caliber Granites - and what the Japanese have in this class is the Harpoon anti-ship missile and this is all the strike weapon that their fleet has massively.
  2. +1
    2 December 2021 20: 14
    And what to scare these kamikaze, they themselves are ready to commit suicide belay well, or not today, so tomorrow they will be swept away by another riot of nature request well, or the Americans will push them on an adventure that will become lethal for this nation
  3. -2
    2 December 2021 20: 16
    speaks out on the pages of the British edition

    Englishwoman again crap.
  4. 0
    2 December 2021 20: 18
    "Unafraid idiots" are more terrifying than frightened ones.
    Bo do not know what they are doing.
    And the tone of the sphincter muscles faded away.
    Unafraid Japanese felt that after the collapse
    colonial system, they are completely
    control the Pacific region.
    It all ended badly.
  5. -8
    2 December 2021 20: 21
    Quote: Knight Templar
    Japan has historically always had a strong navy

    Something like that, 70-80 years ago, they might have been strong ...
    1. -3
      2 December 2021 22: 04
      But what's the difference a strong fleet is not strong, who will this fleet serve? for whom to fight? China has many missiles with nuclear warheads, in the event of a serious threat in order to avoid losses on its part, the most reasonable decision is to use missiles at the places of decision-making and control, and this will be the case for any country that has Yao,
  6. 0
    2 December 2021 20: 26
    You won't be able to scare Japan ": foreign press on Tokyo's possible response to joint patrols between Russia and China
    ... They didn't scare them, they warned them ... any of the options for coins to be.
  7. -8
    2 December 2021 20: 32
    Quote: Bradley
    The key word here is "was". They do not have a strong fleet today.

    Are you not a relative of Nicholas II?

    And what if - YES, then your reaction will be completely different? You will look for a place. where to stroke?
    1. +4
      2 December 2021 21: 39
      And what if - YES, then your reaction will be completely different? You will look for a place. where to stroke?

      This means that underestimation of the Japanese fleet is hereditary.
      1. -6
        2 December 2021 23: 08
        Judging by your name, you should also have learned other lessons of wars that were learned by Japan in the wars of the 20th century; there is a lot of material for analytics there.
        1. +2
          2 December 2021 23: 40
          Judging by your name, you should also have learned other lessons of wars that were learned by Japan in the wars of the 20th century; there is a lot of material for analytics there.

          The Japanese have learned their lessons, do not hesitate.
          1. -1
            2 December 2021 23: 51
            Quote: Bradley
            The Japanese have learned their lessons, do not hesitate.

            And it's fun with you. Japan has especially learned lessons about underestimating an enemy like the Soviet Union. Besides 1905, have you learned anything else in history? Good "lessons were taught", a straight line of victories in the history of Japan in the 20th century.
            1. +1
              3 December 2021 00: 16
              And it's fun with you. Japan has especially learned lessons about underestimating an enemy like the Soviet Union.

              If Japan underestimated the Union, it would attack it through China. But no, a neutrality treaty was signed. We violated it.

              have you learned anything else in history?

              Many things.)
              1. -5
                3 December 2021 00: 37
                Quote: Bradley
                If Japan underestimated the Union, it would attack it through China.

                The answer is just a joke
                - learn your lessons, you stupid, already made a mistake 20 times,
                - if I hadn't taught, it would have been 25, beeeeee.
                The bottom line is something else, Japan has few problems, that she also decided to exacerbate relations with Russia? I repeat, history is not limited to 1905.
      2. -4
        2 December 2021 23: 15
        Quote: Bradley
        And what if - YES, then your reaction will be completely different? You will look for a place. where to stroke?

        This means that underestimation of the Japanese fleet is hereditary.

        ahem, maybe to school? underestimating the possibility of a war with Japan itself
        1. +1
          2 December 2021 23: 42
          ahem, maybe to school? underestimating the possibility of a war with Japan itself

          For that matter, Nicholas II considered the Japanese to be monkeys. What "underestimation" are you writing about? He openly looked down on them.
          What about school?
          1. -1
            3 December 2021 00: 17
            Quote: Bradley
            ahem, maybe to school? underestimating the possibility of a war with Japan itself

            For that matter, Nicholas II considered the Japanese to be monkeys.

            )))))))))) and every Japanese is a fleet, for that matter the Japanese would never have won that war, and defeat pacific the RI fleet is associated with a completely stupid naval commander and the only and inconvenient base
            1. +2
              3 December 2021 00: 20
              )))))))))) and every Japanese is a fleet, for that matter the Japanese would never have won that war, and the defeat of the Pacific Fleet of the Republic of Ingushetia is associated with a completely stupid naval commander and the only and inconvenient base

              Japan won - a fact, and it doesn't matter what the command of the fleet in Ingushetia was.
              And if only, if only ...
              After a fight, they don't wave their fists. I'm sorry.
              1. -1
                3 December 2021 00: 28
                Quote: Bradley
                )))))))))) and every Japanese is a fleet, for that matter the Japanese would never have won that war, and the defeat of the Pacific Fleet of the Republic of Ingushetia is associated with a completely stupid naval commander and the only and inconvenient base

                Japan won - a fact, and it doesn't matter what the command of the fleet in Ingushetia was.
                And if only, if only ...
                After a fight, they don't wave their fists. I'm sorry.

                do not confuse waving with the analysis of events, Japan requested peace negotiations, Nikolai looked at how much money and time was needed to win - and agreed, the revolutionaries of 1905 defeated Russia in the war with Japan.
                1. +2
                  3 December 2021 00: 35
                  do not confuse waving with the analysis of events, Japan requested peace negotiations, Nikolai looked at how much money and time was needed to win - and agreed, the revolutionaries of 1905 defeated Russia in the war with Japan.

                  You are confusing.
                  If one warrior lost to another, because he tripped over a stone, then this does not touch the honor and dignity of the second warrior.
                  And how this stone ended up there or why they fought exactly there, this is already secondary.
                  1. -2
                    3 December 2021 00: 38
                    Quote: Bradley
                    If one warrior lost to another, because he tripped over a stone, then this does not touch the honor and dignity of the second warrior.

                    very suitable for treacherous attack
                    1. +3
                      3 December 2021 13: 20
                      very suitable for treacherous attack

                      Say also that Musashi treacherously attacked Kojiro.
                      1. -1
                        3 December 2021 20: 34
                        Quote: Bradley
                        very suitable for treacherous attack

                        Say also that Musashi treacherously attacked Kojiro.

                        Quote: poquello
                        ahem, maybe to school? underestimating the possibility of a war with Japan itself
                      2. +1
                        3 December 2021 22: 41
                        And what is it? What is it for?
                      3. -2
                        3 December 2021 22: 51
                        Quote: Bradley
                        And what is it? What is it for?

                        ask you the same question?
                        Quote: Bradley
                        Say also that Musashi treacherously attacked Kojiro.

                        from what Musashi dragged? RI did not plan a war with Japan, at most a small conflict in Korea
                      4. +1
                        4 December 2021 13: 29
                        ask you the same question?

                        Yes, let's do it.

                        from what Musashi dragged? RI did not plan a war with Japan, at most a small conflict in Korea

                        "I am not planning a fight, I can only give a maximum in the face." Sounds something like this.
          2. +2
            3 December 2021 00: 45
            Quote: Bradley
            Nicholas II considered the Japanese to be monkeys.

            Have you come up with it yourself? There are these words
            “I am not in the least angry with the kind Japanese people for the disgusting act of one fanatic. To me, just like before, I love their exemplary order and cleanliness, and, I must confess, I continue to stare at the geisha, whom I see from afar on the street, ”Nikolai wrote in his diary.

            That they wanted to cut his head in Japan is, of course, trifles. It was from the great love of the Japanese.
            Hmm, you should be silent about knowing the lessons of history
  8. -7
    2 December 2021 20: 35
    Is it such a squadron that passed through the inner Sangar (Tsugaru) Strait of Japan? The Japanese fleet disgraced itself this year, they did not even put anything in parallel. Yamato howled at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
  9. -3
    2 December 2021 20: 42
    It is not the Russian-Chinese maneuvers that scare Japan, but the very word "JOINT" in the phrase "Russian-Chinese". The combination of Russian high technologies with a massive Chinese one is the most dangerous thing for Japan. For Russia can easily smash the Japanese naval and air force bases, but the PRC is terrible for Japan with a mass landing - the massacre cannot be avoided, they will remember the WWII! And the Yankees won't help! Stupidly they will not be able to if the access of the US Air Force is limited by means of the RFEW. Without companions, the Yankees are blind and deaf!
  10. -6
    2 December 2021 21: 08
    Last year, their vaunted fleet did not even notice a North Korean missile flying over their territory. So, there is no need to shield them here.
  11. -1
    2 December 2021 21: 11
    The key question of Japan. The issue of supply has been resolved, since World War II? How dependent on external supplies, and now they are even more dependent. As long as they are enough, China cuts off energy supplies and that's all. Japan sailed, even a vigorous loaf is not needed. Fleet without fuel these are non-self-propelled barges, even with super duper weapons.
  12. -5
    2 December 2021 21: 45
    "It will not work to scare Japan. In an increasingly harsh foreign policy environment, Japan must cast aside historical hesitation and become a more active participant in international security.

    - the conclusion is made in the foreign press. "
    they already have houses like hobbits, much less
  13. +3
    2 December 2021 21: 50
    Quote: Knight Templar
    Japan has historically always had a strong navy. In a conflict without nuclear weapons, Japan will dry out both the Chinese under-fleet (which has never won) and the Russian fleet in the Pacific. So you need to be careful with Japan.

    China and Russia are nuclear powers, while Japan is a small island state in an earthquake-prone zone.
    So no one is going to promise any conflict without nuclear weapons, at least ask Kim how the Americans scared him, scared him, did not scare him, and did not catch him, by the way, some kind of crashed into a barge ... So Kim was "dry" did.
    And you say "historically".
    The longest historically strongest fleet was at Carthage - 500 years in a row. Only he will not break anyone, despite all the historicity.
  14. -6
    2 December 2021 22: 13
    Quote: Bradley
    And what if - YES, then your reaction will be completely different? You will look for a place. where to stroke?

    This means that underestimation of the Japanese fleet is hereditary.

    The memory of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki needs to be shaken and renewed. They understand this, and with their fleet, they will not approach our waters at an illegal distance. Barking out of the gate is their lot.
  15. -1
    2 December 2021 22: 15
    Quote: Mikhail Mikhail
    Last year, their vaunted fleet did not even notice a North Korean missile flying over their territory. So, there is no need to shield them here.

    I think they noticed. But they pretended that ..... What should they do? Protest? This is to show your powerlessness. And they have nothing to answer. So we found a way to save face.
  16. -3
    2 December 2021 22: 20
    Didn't we put Iskander on Kunashir and Shikotan?
  17. +1
    2 December 2021 22: 25
    Japan is the third country in the world in terms of economy, one of the richest countries in the world, currently has a fleet that is twice as large as the entire Russian Federation and is growing more and more every year.
    1. +1
      2 December 2021 22: 58
      Re-read the title of the article to understand which states are being discussed.
    2. -2
      2 December 2021 23: 59
      Let it build up - we will, in response, build up our fleet and significantly increase the number of hypersonic long-range anti-ship missiles - cheap, angry, and most importantly effective.
      1. 0
        3 December 2021 23: 50
        Not long ago there was an article about the deplorable state of the Russian fleet, so it is unlikely. No money left.
  18. -3
    2 December 2021 23: 01
    Quote: Dartik
    Japan is the third country in the world in terms of economy, one of the richest countries in the world, currently has a fleet that is twice as large as the entire Russian Federation and is growing more and more every year.

    It looks like you haven't read all the previous comments. They said something, and no conclusions!
    And now the question is: so what? Well, the richest, so there are no pockets in the coffin ...
    1. -1
      3 December 2021 23: 51
      Quote: faterdom
      Quote: Dartik
      Japan is the third country in the world in terms of economy, one of the richest countries in the world, currently has a fleet that is twice as large as the entire Russian Federation and is growing more and more every year.

      It looks like you haven't read all the previous comments. They said something, and no conclusions!
      And now the question is: so what? Well, the richest, so there are no pockets in the coffin ...

      So what are the conclusions? What can we win in the event of a war - only if we use nuclear weapons? The fact that Japan's fleet is growing faster than ours? What conclusion do you want?
  19. 0
    2 December 2021 23: 42
    For me, it is not necessary to call a donkey a horse! If the Yapas peshli stupidly show the line, they do not agree to explain it beautifully! I look at the GDP and sometimes I don’t understand whether it has a separate Foreign Ministry or what? Stop calling enemies partners, and cheer up your friends with fat. How do you say: "If a fight cannot be avoided, you must hit first!" So ? or !? or still! If you really love Russia, as you say, live for us - the PEOPLE! You are the guarantor !!!
  20. 0
    3 December 2021 00: 28
    China has new ships, you can feel the difference between the ships of the 20v and the Chinese 21v, after all, science and technology are important
  21. +2
    3 December 2021 01: 01
    It's just that Comrade Eun needs a little help with rocket technology. wassat
  22. 0
    3 December 2021 01: 02
    Quote: 75Sergey
    Didn't we put Iskander on Kunashir and Shikotan?

    No kind of like Balls and Bastions only
    1. -3
      3 December 2021 21: 17
      But there are Iskanders in the Khabarovsk Territory, and the withdrawal from the INF allows Russia to put Caliber missiles on them with a range of 2600 kilometers.
  23. +1
    3 December 2021 02: 06
    The United States humiliates Japan to such an extent that it is forced to pay for the invasion in accordance with the standards of the colonial era.

    The United States faces severe budgetary strains and serious challenges to the economic sustainability of its military efforts. The United States cannot afford a more vigorous effort without significant tax increases.

    This leads to a double policy:

    1.-) In the aforementioned first class allies, the English-speaking world and Israel, the United States provides them with some of the armaments for which the operating costs cannot continue to be paid. One example is the case of nuclear submarines for Australia.

    2.-) With regard to second-class allies, the proposal by the United States is to pay the operating costs of armaments, but retain control and exploitation of armaments by its armed forces. This is the policy of the United States towards Japan, South Korea, Europe or the Arab countries. This is complete colonialism.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    Japan is being humiliated by the United States, until the point of being forced to pay for invasion, under standards of the era of colonialism.

    The United States is facing strong budget tensions, and strong poblems of economic sustainability of their military efforts. The United States can not afford a stronger effort without raising taxes significantly.

    This is leading to a double policy:

    1.-) In the referred to the first class allies, the Anglo world and Israel, the United States provide them part of the armament which operational costs can not continue paying. One example is the case of the nuclear submarines for Australia.

    2.-) In the referred to the second class allies, the proposal of the United States is to pay the operational costs of the armament but keeping for its own armed forces the control and operation of the armament. This is the policy of the United States for Japan, South Korea, Europe, or the Arab countries. It is full colonialism.
  24. +2
    3 December 2021 04: 17
    However, when the joint squadron of Russia and China walked close to Japan, the great
  25. +2
    3 December 2021 06: 00
    "It will not work to scare Japan": foreign press on Tokyo's possible response to joint patrols between Russia and China

    The joint patrols of Russia and China serve as a warning not only to Japan, but rather to the United States.
  26. +1
    3 December 2021 16: 09
    "You won't be able to scare Japan": foreign press on Tokyo's possible response to joint patrols between Russia and China

    Why is there boiling water pissing at the mere mention of the DPRK with its rocket launches? Russia and China will be cooler ...