To the 125th anniversary of the birth of Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov

Today, December 1, 2021 marks the 125th anniversary of the birth of the world famous Soviet military leader, "Marshal of Victory", four times Hero of the Soviet Union Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov.

Georgy Zhukov was born on December 1, 1896 in the Kaluga province in the small village of Strelkovka. He received his primary education at a parish school, completing three classes. He received further education by studying school subjects independently, combining study with work, then graduated from evening general education courses.

Zhukov entered the army in 1915, after graduating from the school of non-commissioned officers he was sent to the front, where he fought bravely, having received two St. George's crosses. In 1918 he joined the Red Army, fought on many fronts and after the end of the Civil War remained to serve as the commander of a cavalry squadron. In 1923, Zhukov arrived in Belarus, where, with some interruptions, he served until 1938, going from the commander of a cavalry regiment to deputy commander of the troops of the Belarusian Special Military District for cavalry.

In 1939, Georgy Konstantinovich led the 1st Army Group of Soviet Forces in Mongolia, took part in battles on the Khalkhin-Gol River, and received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. From June 1940 he commanded the troops of the Kiev military district, from January 1941 he was chief of the General Staff of the Red Army - deputy people's commissar of defense of the USSR. With the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, he was included in the General Headquarters, took part in the development of operations of the Red, and then the Soviet Army, commanded the fronts and coordinated their actions. In 1943 Zhukov was awarded the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union.

It was Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov who accepted the surrender of Nazi Germany on May 8, 1945, and on June 24, 1945, in Moscow, on Red Square, Georgy Zhukov hosted the solemn Victory Parade.

After the end of World War II, Zhukov commanded the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, then the Ground Forces. In 1946 he was appointed commander of the Odessa Military District, then the Ural. From 1953 he served as Deputy Minister of Defense, and from 1955 - Minister of Defense of the USSR. In 1958 he retired. Georgy Konstantinovich died on June 18, 1974, and was buried in Red Square in Moscow.

Today in Russia thousands of streets, schools and educational institutions are named in honor of Georgy Konstantinovich; monuments have been erected to him in many cities. Solemn rallies and the laying of flowers at the monuments to the Victory Marshal will take place or have already taken place in many cities and villages of Russia and Belarus, where the memory of the great Soviet commander, Marshal of Victory is honored.

Comments

[Alex bergman]

Happy Birthday, Comrade Marshal of the Soviet Union!

[Crowe]

Happy Birthday Marshal of Victory!

[Ross xnumx]

Whatever it was, Georgy Konstantinovich made a considerable contribution to the Great Victory.

[dzvero]

and Georgy Konstantinovich made a considerable contribution to the Great Victory

And he started back in 1939, on Khalkhin Gol ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

MARSHAL VICTORY... That says it all. And there was also a long, decent life.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

MARSHAL VICTORY... That says it all. And there was also a long, decent life.

Yes, victory marshal. Honor and praise. And also a vile traitor who staged a coup d'etat in the country, bringing to power a bald maize, which ultimately caused the fall of the USSR. The man who first saved the country, and then led it to destruction. Life after the Victory was long, yes. But worthy ?! How does it feel to betray with dignity? Maybe with honor yet?)

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Mikhail3

And also a vile traitor

There it is ... And I’m at a loss: what kind of go-o-you me and others are minus for normal comments about Georgy Konstantinovich? And these are Bandera, pretending to be Russian patriots!

[Mikhail3]

How pleasant it must be to feel your unconditional righteousness ... in spite of all the despicable truths there! After all, the truth is not worthy of attention, right? Zhukov is a traitor. Leading the USSR to destruction in the end. The deification of traitors brings irreparable rot to any deed that seems to be the most righteous, and always, always destroys it. If you cannot face the truth, your cause is doomed. The USSR paid for it in full ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Mikhail3

After all, the truth is not worthy of attention, right?

Your Bandera "truth" for Russian Lying! Leave me alone, Bandera! Your mustache is unstuck!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Crowe

Happy Birthday Marshal of Victory!

I support, Great commander G.K. Zhukov.
But it is unpleasant that the Banderaites are sitting on the site, for whom the Marshal of the 3rd Reich is closer.

[Civil]

And in all the media there is silence about Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov! Probably they understand that this is not all for this, he forged Victory.

[ViacheslavS]

And in the USSR, did the media write about Zhukov's anniversaries? Despite all the epithets to Zhukov here, but right there on the VO in the article about Zhukov's trophy case, completely different comments were added about Zhukov and the fact that he was not the most outstanding commander and he acted very bluntly and was guilty of the catastrophic defeat of the North-West formations, Western Special and Kiev military districts and supported Khrushchev, not Beria, etc.

[Civil]

Quote: ViacheslavS

And in the USSR, did the media write about Zhukov's anniversaries? Despite all the epithets to Zhukov here, but right there on the VO in the article about Zhukov's trophy case, completely different comments were added about Zhukov and the fact that he was not the most outstanding commander and he acted very bluntly and was guilty of the catastrophic defeat of the North-West formations, Western Special and Kiev military districts and supported Khrushchev, not Beria, etc.

History is written by the winners, in this case reformers, privatizers, optimizers and the rest of crooks of all stripes. But history will put everything in its place.

[Letun]

Quote: Civil

But history will put everything in its place.

She won't give a shit. And precisely because

Quote: Civil

History winners write

The experience of one neighboring country, and indeed of the whole world, proves this. After five generations, people know not history, but what is being poured into their ears.

[rusich]

As the chief specialist of the Russian State Archive of Social and Political History (RGASPI), historian Sergei Solovyov said. All the myths about the "shadow moments" of the Great Patriotic War, and about the great commander G.K. Zhukov, moreover, primarily come from journalists, in pursuit of a sensation, and not historians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Civil

Probably they understand that this is not all for this, he forged Victory.

There were those who said: "If they hadn't taken Berlin, I would now be drinking Bavarian beer," to which I always answered with the question: "Would you have been born?"

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Civil

And in all the media there is silence about Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov! Probably they understand that this is not all for this, he forged Victory.

The Zvezda channel had a documentary last weekend about G.K. Zhukov. The multi-part feature film "Liberation" was also broadcast, as I understand, too, in the plot, a lot was paid to G.K. Zhukov.

[Silver bullet]

Marshal Winner! Will live forever in the hearts of descendants, and the trophy banners of the Reich will walk in the Patriot park of the Victory Soldier generation with pride and gratitude!

[rusich]

Marshal of Victory for the Ages.

[prior]

That was Marshal! Marshal to all marshals!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: prior

Marshal to all marshals!

[Uncle lee]

Marshal to all marshals!

[lucul]

"That was Marshal! Marshal to all Marshals!"

Well, Zhukov was a pure alpha male, so in the photographs next to him, the rest of the men looked very ugly.
There was no need for any shoulder straps and regalia to understand WHO is in charge here - one glance is enough.
There are no contradictions both in form and in content - the leader.

[Mountain shooter]

A true son of his people. There could be no other victorious marshals at that time. Most importantly, he was able to quickly learn, knew how to argue with Stalin ... After all, he offered to withdraw the troops across the Dnieper, leaving Kiev, saving the troops from a terrible catastrophe. For that he was sent into disgrace, conducted a successful operation near Yelnya, was sent to Leningrad, to save the city. Then Moscow had to. In 41-42 he played the role of such a firefighter ...
But then he was 46 years old !!! He had character, of course. Therefore, the Marshal of Victory.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Most importantly, he was able to quickly learn, he knew how to argue with Stalin ...

And surrounded by the Supreme were evil, who came from envy for the merits of Zhukov. I suspect that it was they who pitted the leader against the Marshal of Victory and wove intrigues.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: ROSS 42

And surrounded by the Supreme were evil, who came from envy for the merits of Zhukov. I suspect that they were the ones who pitted the leader against the Marshal of Victory and wove intrigues

Were. But this was, for example, Khrushchev. Whom Zhukov saved in 53, then in 57, and six months later he was disgraced ... In general, he turned out to be rather helpless in political intrigue ... he was defeated there.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Were. But this was, for example, Khrushchev.

The activities of this ruler cannot be perceived unambiguously, but it is impossible to measure as much muck as he brought in the years 38-39 as the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ROSS 42

It is impossible to measure as much muck as he brought in 38-39 years as the first secretary of the Central Committee of the CP (b) of Ukraine.

And as the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR, he brought even more nasty things to the whole country.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In general, he turned out to be rather helpless in political intrigue ... he was defeated there.

The military is traditionally quite helpless in this.

[203-K]

The military is traditionally quite helpless in this.

They are not helpless, but simply take the word of civic politicians too much. It is for this that they pay with their honest name, after they get stuck in history, like Lebed, Gromov, Rutskoi, etc.

[Obliterator]

Quote: 203-K

They are not helpless, but simply take the word of civic politicians too much. It is for this that they pay with their honest name, after they get stuck in history, like Lebed, Gromov, Rutskoi, etc.

So this is one of the signs of their political myopia.
Successful politicians do not trust anyone, but do their job. The White Guards also believed very much in their allies in the Entente, and as a result they were abandoned by them. The Bolsheviks in 1917 were not literate in military matters from the word at all, but they were outstanding politicians. And it was in the political arena that they won the civil war.

[Vasily Onischuk]

Because Zhukov is not a politician, Zhukov is a soldier. In general, there are very few military leaders who would combine a talented politician and a talented commander. because the military, as a rule, is not up to politics.

[rotmistr60]

A man with a capital letter and really one of the great Soviet (Russian) commanders.

[Fisherman]

Great commander of GREAT RUSSIA! Faithful son of the Motherland!

[businessv]

Today in Russia thousands of streets, schools and educational institutions are named in honor of Georgy Konstantinovich, monuments have been erected to him in many cities.

Few have experienced so many life's ups and downs as G.K. Zhukov. He was respected by soldiers and real officers, he was afraid of careerists and dishonest people, and he was hated by colleagues who were not smart. Eternal glory to the statesman and the great commander!

[ccsr]

Quote: businessv

Few have experienced so many life's ups and downs as G.K. Zhukov. He was respected by soldiers and real officers, he was afraid of careerists and dishonest people, and he was hated by colleagues who did not come out with their minds.

Indeed, Zhukov could not please everyone, especially those who suffered from his penalties for negligence. I will not recall the "Indian hour", but here is how General V. Nikolsky, well-known in intelligence circles, describes Zhukov's activities after the war:

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

The Victory Marshal is also involved in our family.
The first days of May 1945, maybe a couple of days before the Victory, or maybe after, I won't say for sure. Our uncle on my mother’s side, Sergei Chirkov, a Red Army soldier, sat and drew fellow soldiers in his spare moment. Zhukov was passing by in a car, then stopped, got out of the car and went up to the soldiers. They talked about something, my uncle did not tell exactly, but he saw that Sergei was drawing, approached him, looked at his drawings and asked what he was thinking of doing after the war, and if he wanted to learn to draw, he could help. Then he called the orderly, he tore a piece of paper from his notebook and Zhukov wrote what he had written. Seryozha was not demobilized in the summer of 1945, but was demobilized only in the summer of 1948, and with this note he came to Moscow and entered to study at the Moscow Art Institute named after V.I. Surikov, and then taught there and at the Moscow Architectural Institute. However, Wikipedia has it in brief. By the end of his life Chirkov S.I. became an honored artist of the RSFSR. It was he who founded a rural art gallery in our homeland in the village of Panfilovo, Murom district, Vladimir region. If you are in Murom, it is 15-20 minutes drive to Panfilovo by car and you can see the gallery and a beautiful view from the hills to the Oka and to the lands of the neighboring Nizhny Novgorod region!

[askort154]

Georgy Zhukov was born on December 1, 1896 in the Kaluga province in the small village of Strelkovka.

On May 8, 1945, he accepted the surrender of Nazi Germany in Berlin!
Eternal memory, to the Russian village boy - Georgy Zhukov!

[rocket757]

What would a great personality, would be simple and unambiguous ... such in nature does not exist, perhaps.
And so, Marshal of Victory ... that says it all.

[outsider]

- Read the book "Shadow of Victory" - you will learn a lot of new and interesting things about Marshal Zhukov.
I, a young lieutenant then, never heard a single kind word about him from any of those who served under Zhukov's command. His nickname was "The Butcher" - until the end of his days ...
https://russian7.ru/post/kakie-prozvishha-byli-u-sovetskikh-voena/

[vvvjak]

Quote: Outsider

Read the book "Shadow of Victory"

Which is Rezun-Suvorov? You'd better be on Petrosyan E.V. referred

[outsider]

- "I haven't read Pasternak! But I categorically condemn him!"

[vvvjak]

I read Suvorov, for me this is the level of Petrosyan, and if for you he is an "authoritative historian" well then oh ...

[Region-25.rus]

"I haven't read Pasternak! But I categorically condemn him!"

Well, if you, passing by the station toilet, need to go into a booth and dip your head in the toilet to understand that there is a "known substance", then a light amber is enough for others. To understand the same thing.
ps
they began to feed me all this f .... since 1987. And I read a lot of things (if anything)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Outsider

His nickname was "The Butcher" - until the end of his days ...

Well, you know Yulia Popova, too little faith.

[Region-25.rus]

Read the book "Shadow of Victory" - you will learn a lot of new and interesting things about Marshal Zhukov.

and also the magazine "Ogonyok" since 1989, the series "Shtrafbat" and "Archipelago-Gulag"

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

No, the Ogonyok magazine began de-heroizing the country and throwing mud at the history of Russia - the USSR earlier - around 1986-87, in general, with the so-called. "perestroika" ...

[Region-25.rus]

earlier - about 1986-87

most likely! I will not argue here because, in the words of the hero of one classic work - "then I was small! I was a child!" Or to be more precise, in 1986 I was in the sixth grade of high school. And around 1989 (90th) I read our "light and not living" - "The Gulag Archipelago". I mastered the first volume and a little of the second (in self-publishing). Even then, my still not strong mind realized that this is complete garbage and game! It should be noted that by that time I had re-read a bunch of things. Including Dumas, Zoshchenko, Serafimovich, Heinlein, Clifford Simak (and a ton of everything else. From which he slipped into three) So there was something to compare with.

[businessv]

Quote: Outsider

- Read the book "Shadow of Victory" - you will learn a lot of new and interesting things about Marshal Zhukov.

Forgot about the "Icebreaker", the same rotten author? Or haven't you? You will learn a lot of new things, for example, that the war, in fact, was planned by us, but did not have time. I have not heard about this chatterbox for a long time, you managed to surprise that someone else can read such nonsense.

[outsider]

Quote: vvvjak

I read Suvorov, for me this is the level of Petrosyan, and if for you he is an "authoritative historian" well then oh ...

- Have you read corned beef Mark Semyonovich? Since Rezun-Suvorov is "Petrosyan" for you? (This is because you have never studied or summarized the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin)

[Vasily Onischuk]

And Solonin is not a historian. And not even a military man. This is another engineer who suddenly decided that he was a historian. And he knows everything. It's impossible to read his nonsense. because this is nonsense. This "publicist" does not even know how to work with sources and documents.

[outsider]

- Presumably - unlike you ?! Do you know exactly how to work correctly with documents and maps? Perhaps you are a recent graduate of the General Staff Academy? Really - no ??

[Vasily Onischuk]

No. I did not graduate from the General Staff Academy. But the Faculty of History, yes. And we had such an interesting and tough discipline there called source studies. And it was very tough to pass it, because they asked me very strictly.

[outsider]

- OU! I've read all my long life professional "historians of the Great Patriotic War"! You will not believe: THEY LIEED ALL THE TIME! Because it was categorically impossible to tell the truth - firstly, they would immediately "be excommunicated from the trough" - and the family needed to be fed ... Secondly, you could "thunder for Mozhay" - "for anti-Soviet propaganda and agitation." Therefore, yes - they lied completely godless... They worked out the "soldering" ...
They lie even now: after all, even a group of the Criminal Code appeared "On the distortion of the historical truth not in favor of Russia." (To distort "in favor" - as much as you like! )

[Vasily Onischuk]

I have always been amazed and amazed by sectarians like you. So professional historians, they are lying. that's all they do is lie. They have no faith. But a person without historical education, who read somewhere there, is the truth. For he is holy and infallible. And you, as true adherents of the sect, are ready to defend his teaching to the last drop of blood. Just imagine what would happen if I started to tell an engineer how to design, say, an aircraft engine. Yes, they will send me right away. And if, to the horror of everyone, they don't send? How far will that plane fly? No, it will crash right there.

[outsider]

- You will not believe: neither Lenin nor Stalin were historians. One is a lawyer, the other graduated from the Central School of Arts (with Cs). They made history. And, as the French say: "You don't have to be a cat to draw a cat." Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, Mayakovsky, Gorky - they did not graduate from literary institutes. And many, many others ... And in general: the Ark was designed by an amateur, and the Titanic was created by professionals ...
Suvorov-Rezun is a military analyst of the GRU by profession. Compared to him, any historian - "like a carpenter versus a carpenter" ...

[Vasily Onischuk]

Well, if it comes to that .. Stalin graduated from the Theological School with two A's, the rest of the marks were "excellent". Recommended for admission to the Theological Seminary. And he entered without difficulty. And I studied the first courses just fine. Troika and bad began when Stalin got acquainted with Marxism and was carried away by the ideas of revolution. It's just that the young man's worldview has changed. Otherwise he would have graduated from seminary with honors. And then we would not know the Leader Stalin, but perhaps Metropolitan Dzhugashvili, and perhaps the Patriarch. As for the writers. Either there is a talent for literature, for writing books, it either exists or it does not. And if not, then no amount of education will help. Moreover, as for Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, they are hereditary aristocrats who have been taught literature, versification and other things since childhood.

[Vasily Onischuk]

Well and more. if I need the help of the military to work with maps, diagrams, diagrams, etc., then I will go to the military. but I will not write gag, like Suvorov, Solonin and others. Fortunately, the military is willing to make contact and it is not difficult to consult them. It's generally so good with cognac.

[WapentakeLokki]

... and who is not without SIN ??? .. yes, historians do not work by themselves ... yes, the order comes from the top (and what is up there and how they see the story (like the Red Army soldier Trofimov in the Officers ... correct understanding of the current moment) .. but what if there is a castling and the works have ALREADY been written .. (and that someone has doubts how many times in the last 100 years history has been rewritten) ... and then FAITH comes into play ... not you need to prove - you need to believe .. (and if there is no faith, then you are not yours (if next to you - ALIEN) ... but after all, not everything and not always everything is smooth in history (and HEROES are often not Saints) ... but on business you will recognize him ... but here there is always a gag ... for one and the same can be both condemned and extolled ... so how is it to be with the Marshal of Victory ... but in his history (as in all of us ... ay ... there are Saints here ... no ???) as a massacre with a Reich car (and he managed ... Victory is needed ... we will not stand at the PRICE ...) and today accuse him of cruelty (yeah where everything had already been decided and not when everything was hanging by a thread) ... well, well ... and then looting pops up ... but gentlemen, how do you yourself with this ... there will be a lot of non-silver people in Modern Russia what to remind Marshal 55 bicycle pumps and other types of antiques (yeah, especially from Hodor or our Bear with his ... there is no money, but you hold on or remember Taburetkin with his Vasilyeva) .. to summarize - he was not an Angel but also not Dracula (sorry butcher ... this is rather to the guys from SB OUN ..) ... he WAS and thanks to this we ARE ... something like that ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Outsider

- Have you read corned beef Mark Semyonovich?

And who has not read it. It was especially amusing how Mark Semyonovich, on the basis of the report of the 10th TD of the 15th MK, sucked the unaccounted for in the irrecoverable losses of tanks and ran with her, as you know who, with a written sack. Exactly until the moment when he was not explained that the figures he took "lost in battle" in this document refer only to tanks that were reliably destroyed on the battlefield - "Broken and burned on the battlefield". And if he carefully read the document to which he refers, then there were more columns for irrevocability."Did not return with crews from the battlefield after the attack" And "Abandoned when a part of technical malfunctions left and it was impossible to restore and evacuate".

[outsider]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Outsider

His nickname was "The Butcher" - until the end of his days ...

Well, you know Yulia Popova, too little faith.

- And what does Julia Popova have to do with it ?! I managed to serve as a young lieutenant with the old captains and majors who served as the commander of the Ural Military District when Zhukov was. Reviews about him - it is better not to repeat ... I was so surprised then! .. And after 25 years I read "The Shadow of Victory" - and "the veil fell from my eyes" ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Outsider

And after 25 years I read "The Shadow of Victory" - and "the veil fell from my eyes" ...

Interestingly, "the veil was asleep" before leaving for Israel or after? .. Just wondering. It is even more interesting where most of the population of Israel would be now (not to mention the very appearance of this state on the world map), if not for this "butcher" ...

"Reviews of the captains", panimaish ... This is the Marshal of Victory, not a post on Facebook.

[outsider]

- BEFORE departure. I had a "series of questions" about the history of the Second World War - from the age of 15. And I could not find answers anywhere in the USSR absolutely. Until at the age of 58, somewhere in 1988, or 1989, I did not read Suvorov's "Icebreaker". And everything instantly fell into place... And after another 20 years, Solonin's books added a number of missing fragments to what they have been hiding from us all our lives - and they still hide from the majority of the population ... At the same time, the population is enough! THE OVERALL MOST NEEDS ANY TRUTH AT ALL.
"The darkness of the low truths are dearer to me than we are the elevating deception" (c - Pushkin)

[outsider]

The most terrible state secret, first in the USSR, and then in Russia, is that Stalin organized the Second World War. Fulfilling the precepts of Marx-Engels-Lenin - according to the documents they wrote.
This is the most creepy secret so far.
Suvorov-Rezun, and after him Mark Solonin exposed this secret... HORROR-HORROR!

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

If not for Marshal Zhukov, then most (if not all! ...) of the population of Israel would have slipped through the chimneys of concentration camp crematoria, and if not for Comrade Stalin, then Israel would not exist at all!

[outsider]

Quote: Volodin

It is even more interesting where the majority of the population of Israel would be now (not to mention the very appearance of this state on the world map), if not for this "butcher" ...

- If Stalin had not helped Hitler to come to power and had not organized the Second World War (for the victory of the World Revolution, and not for any other reason), 6 million Jews would not have been destroyed. Stalin did not care about the Jews, he was as anti-Semitic as Hitler and hated Jews the same way. And he was ready to destroy them at the end of his life - the last two million that remained in the USSR. Thanks to Comrade Beria for my happy childhood, that he finished him off on time.

"Reviews of the captains", panimaish ... This is the Marshal of Victory, not a post on Facebook.

- Have you ever wondered why Stalin forbade the celebration of Victory Day in 1947 and until 1965 it was an ordinary working day? And if not for Brezhnev's love for all sorts of tweets, he could have remained an ordinary working day?

[Vasily Onischuk]

How did Stalin help Hitler to come to power ?! How?! If Stalin had helped someone to come to power in Germany, it would have been the German communists. moreover, they had great support in society. And Hitler never hid the fact that he was an anti-communist. For Stalin to support the rise to power of Hitler, it is like for a Jew to support the rise to power of the Ayatollah of Iran. And on the question of who unleashed World War II ... It was Stalin who turned a blind eye to the restoration of the German armed forces, to the abolition of the ban on the number of troops over 100 thousand people, to the restoration of universal conscription, to the open start of the development and development of tanks, aviation, artillery, etc. ., which was directly prohibited by the Versailles Treaty? Stalin closed his eyes to the demonstrative refusal to pay reparations by Germany after Hitler came to power, according to the same Treaty of Versailles. Stalin allowed the occupation of the demilitarized Rhineland, contrary to the Treaty of Versailles? Stalin approved the Anschluss of Austria? Or did Stalin approve of the partition of Czechoslovakia? Well no. All this was done by the British and French. And there is no Stalin's signature under the document on the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. but the signatures of Daladier and Chamberlain are available. Moreover, Chamberlain was actively waving this piece of paper to the public. And all of Stalin's proposals to create a system of collective security in Europe were defiantly dismissed by these characters. Or they sent people of little importance for negotiations without the authority to sign anything.

[Volodin]

Quote: Outsider

- You were never surprised why Stalin

I am surprised only by one thing, how the Hitler-Goebbels principle continues to work in the XNUMXst century: "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it." And this is specifically your case

[Hunter]

Of course, at the age of 90 it is already difficult to understand the difference between a historian and an analyst of the GRU ... but that Stalin was a Jew-phobe is already a diagnosis, not age

[Volodin]

Quote: Hanter

Of course, at the age of 90 it is already difficult to understand the difference between a historian and an analyst of the GRU ... but that Stalin was a Jew-phobe is already a diagnosis, not age

Stalin was so anti-Semitic that Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich lived for 98 years and died in 1991)))

[outsider]

- Also remember Mehlis.
Yeah, and Goering had a best friend and assistant - General Milch, they were friends with the First World War - a Jew by his dad. So Goering used to say: "Here at my place I decide who is Jewish and who is not.".
The exceptions are just proof of the rule.

[Prisoner]

More surprising is the stupid stubbornness with which you and your companions will trash the great past, stringing rotten beads of lies on the rotten rope of your "truth".

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Outsider

- If Stalin had not helped Hitler to come to power and had not organized the Second World War

Oh ... that is, Hindenburg, the financial and industrial elite of Germany, and with it the leadership of France, Great Britain and the United States, were Stalin's agents? But...
Just ask one question: how did the Reich have the very army with which it unleashed WWII, and the military industry to supply it? Which, by the way, were prohibited for him by the Versailles Treaty.

[outsider]

Quote: Hanter

Of course at 90

- At 71.

... it is already difficult to understand the difference between a historian and an analyst of the GRU ...

- A GRU analyst will be much cooler! (For those who understand, of course ...)

... but that Stalin was anti-Semitic is already a diagnosis, not age

- Stalin was a monstrous anti-Semitism. Not knowing such elementary stuff is just a shame for an educated person ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Outsider

In 71.

So, what can you take away, so to speak, from your comments, in one post. Yes, the fact that you even here contrived to lie ...

Quote: Outsider

I could not find answers anywhere in the USSR absolutely. Until at the age of 58, somewhere in 1988, or 1989, I did not read

If in 1988-89 it was 58, then today it is 90-91, therefore
How many years will you write yourself in the following commentary about "the butcher Zhukov" and "the bloodthirsty Stalin, who chose Hitler"? ..

[outsider]

- Yes, this is a slip of the tongue, of course, in 1988 - 38, - when the time limit here comes out, it is no longer possible to correct the slip.

[Prisoner]

It is necessary to be more vain, dear man. Lies are very sensitive to detail. At least the captains would be "promoted" to colonels or "sent" to the reserve?

[Hunter]

Well, in 1988 you were not 58, but 38 years old ... then In the early seventies, being a lieutenant, you communicated with fellow captains who fought under the command of Zhukov, who called him a butcher. The question is, how old were these captains, Zhukov's colleagues 25 years after the end of the war. The answer is under fifty. Captain at fifty - you need to do not history, but mathematics

.

[Million]

Passed the path of a real soldier ...

[outsider]

Quote: Vasily Onischuk

How did Stalin help Hitler to come to power ?! How?! If Stalin had helped someone to come to power in Germany, it would have been the German communists.

- Actually, not to read the three textbooks of Suvorov-Rezun: "Icebreaker", "Day M" and "The Last Republic" (and you did not read them!) - for a modern historian it is simply a real shame.

[outsider]

Quote: Region-25.rus

"I haven't read Pasternak! But I categorically condemn him!"

Well, if you, passing by the station toilet, need to go into a booth and dip your head in the toilet to understand that there is a "known substance", then a light amber is enough for others. To understand the same thing.
ps
they began to feed me all this f .... since 1987. And I read a lot of things (if anything)

- To understand the books of Suvorov-Rezun, you had to learn Marxism-Leninism. Otherwise it is extremely difficult to understand, especially with an "unsteady mind" ...

[alone]

Once History decided to read what historians write about him .. I read it and fainted ..
ps History is written by historians ... and in most cases what they write has nothing to do with history

[outsider]

- Holy truth!

[outsider]

Quote: Vasily Onischuk

As for the writers. Either there is a talent for literature, for writing books, it either exists or it does not. And if not, then no amount of education will help. Moreover, as for Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, they are hereditary aristocrats who have been taught literature, versification and other things since childhood.

- Similarly, the same applies to historians. You need talent and diligence - above all. Tens of thousands are educated as historians - create names - units. And then the mass of those writing about the affairs of the last hundred years are opportunists in the service of the officialdom, rewriting for the tenth time the lies of their predecessors ...

[Des]

Here you seem to be smart, but you present it in such a way that infa is perceived disgustingly. Certainly Rezun (or the authors under that name) are more talented as a traitor.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Rezun has nothing talented. He builds his conjectures on the initially incorrect idea of ​​the USSR's desire to attack Germany. This idea is stupid and groundless because it presupposes a wrong assessment by the leadership of the USSR of its capabilities and the balance of forces. The USSR was well aware of both the power of Germany and its own weakness, and could not dream of an attack.

[Palmyra]

https://youtu.be/0NmSiOer1aI

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

he was an outstanding military leader of Russia! a man who saved Moscow and Leningrad, a strategist who took part in the development of all the key battles of the Second World War ... a nugget, the only one who did not have a higher military education (he graduated only from a cavalry school), a shoemaker who was not going to be a soldier drafted into the army for mobilization and served from the rank and file before the marshal
in terms of strategic thinking, Zhukov can be put on a par with only the now completely forgotten Alexander Vasilevsky

[AAK]

A colleague, to be precise, in "Memoirs and Reflections" Zhukov wrote that he was a furrier, not a shoemaker. And at the expense of the strategist, I doubt it a little. Not a single work or even a brochure on strategy or tactics has ever come out of Zhukov's pen. Shaposhnikov has works on strategy, Triandafillov has, Vasilevsky and Antonov have, but the "victorious" does not ... Rokossovsky, Eremenko and Baghramyan). Well, about 20 variants of the "author's" text for 10 editions of "Memories and Reflections" probably already known to everyone.
As for Marshal Vasilevsky, he is indeed undeservedly rarely mentioned, and it is precisely the strategic developments of the General Staff under the command of Vasilevsky, and since 44, Antonov has embodied, to the best of his ability, the mentioned hero of the day.
Well, in order not to jump between Rezun and the current panegyrics to Zhukov, it is enough to publish a detailed book about Zhukov with a statement of personal files, attestations, a collection of his orders on the units and formations headed by him since the 30s, materials of the "trophy" and "Kryukovsky" cases , materials and transcripts of the meeting under Stalin on Zhukovsky miracles, after which he was removed to the OdVO, his orders as Minister of Defense in the 50s, then there will be a relatively objective picture. But there are vague doubts that we will not see such a book, too many "falsifications of history" will come out ...

[outsider]

- Such a book will be published in 50 years, under a completely different (hopefully) government. In the meantime, what is:
http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov7/index.html

[AAK]

Rezun, I read all the books except "Tales of the Liberator", according to the above-mentioned trilogy, I myself checked the joints with the military memoirs in our library with my father, he quoted correctly. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense did not have access to the archives. But if I could look at some documents from the IML archives, and especially the "Special Folder" of the Politburo of the Central Committee ... oh, dreams, dreams ...

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

Not a single work or even a brochure on strategy or tactics has ever been written by Zhukov

Neither Triandafill nor Shaposhnikov crushed the Germans on the battlefield ... we are not talking about trophies (eka unseen, my great-grandfather, a military doctor, the head of a military field hospital since 1944, when they entered East Prussia, sent home more than 40 parcels ... the great-grandmother changed the money at the bazaar euro rolls for sour cream and the trophy accordion is still in working order and is a family heirloom) and we're not talking about the orders of the fifties ...
we are talking about specific things - Zhukov, the best Soviet military leader of the Second World War, a man who was a REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BET. coordinated the actions of SEVERAL fronts on the most important strategic areas (Rokossovsky, for example, did not rise above the commander of ONE front) and took part in the development of ALL strategic operations ... Stalin always took Zhukov and Vasilevsky without a report at any time of the day ... and always, listened to the opinion of these outstanding people before making a decision!
Zhukov always asked Vasilevsky's opinion on all the most important issues ...
but the rezuns just blur our eyes with "trophy cases" and other turbidity ...

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Next to Zhukov, you can safely put Suvorov and Kutuzov! Although, no, otherwise - Kutuzov was softer and more flexible, and the situation in 1812 was fundamentally incomparable with the situation in 1941. Kutuzov could retreat, as his boss, Alexander I, said, even to Kamchatka, but Zhukov did not have such an option at all; Zhukov had only two options - to defend the capital or die heroically in battles if the Germans were able to break into the city. Zhukov was aware of his responsibility for the defense of the capital. And he remembered how Stalin dealt with Pavlov. And to die in battle, having received a German bullet in the forehead, is quite different than getting a Soviet bullet in the back of the head in the basement of the NKVD from an executioner. Do you agree with me? I am sure that - yes.

[outsider]

Quote: Captive

It is necessary to be more vain, dear man. Lies are very sensitive to detail. At least the captains would be "promoted" to colonels or "sent" to the reserve?

- Yes, you are a humorist! To me a lieutenant, then a senior lieutenant - what "colonels" could I communicate with ?! My social circle was in those years - the captain / major ... And they were already "on departure", their terms of service were coming to an end ...

[outsider]

- Well, and the "highlight on the cake" of the "Victory Marshal" - when in the Totsk camps he drove several regiments of servicemen through the epicenter of a nuclear explosion, 15 minutes after it ...
https://www.mk.ru/editions/daily/article/2004/09/13/104911-pravda-poligona-smerti.html

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Outsider

- Well, and the "highlight on the cake" of the "Victory Marshal" - when in the Totsk camps he drove several regiments of servicemen through the epicenter of a nuclear explosion, 15 minutes after it ...

Oh my god ... a link to "Moskovsky Komsomolets" 2004. You would also refer to AIDS-Info.
Were you recently thawed? Or are you not aware that the Totsk teachings have long been sorted out almost every minute?
The explosion was at 09:33. At the time of the explosion, all servicemen were in shelters. At 11:00, radiation reconnaissance was completed and the danger zone was circled. At 12:00 the advance detachment of the mechanized division entered the area of ​​the explosion, at 12:15 the first echelons of the mechanized and rifle regiments pulled up. The radiation level at 400 m from the epicenter 3 hours after the explosion was 0,1 R / h.
The total number of servicemen who were in the zone of a nuclear explosion is about 3000 people, of which about 500 have visited the epicenter area.

And most importantly, at that time, for the military all over the world, nuclear weapons were just "another powerful bomb." And the Totsk exercises were just a response to the beginning of a series of American tests "Desert Rock". In which the servicemen observed explosions from open trenches and marched half a mile from the epicenter without PPE.
I'm not talking about a famous photograph "sailors manually deactivate the PRT "Prince Eugen" during Operation Crossroads":

[outsider]

Oh my god ... a link to "Moskovsky Komsomolets" 2004. You would also refer to AIDS-Info.
Were you recently thawed?

- Actually, the most reliable and incredibly open historical information was published just in 1989-1993. What is being published in Russian editions now is a standard "disinformation" of an information war (of the Russian leadership against the Russian people, of course).

[Terran ghost]

https://www.mk.ru/editions/daily/article/2004/09/13/104911-pravda-poligona-smerti.html

I will probably join the "feast of the spirit" ...
The article on the link is still cool. Truth. For example, there is a statement like this
Quote: "We were given a personal service weapon - modernized Kalashnikov assault rifles, rapid-fire ten-shot automatic rifles"
AKMs (in 1954 did not even exist in the project) were probably taken to servicemen on the DeLorean. Otherwise it would not have worked out. What kind of "ten-shot automatic rifles" do not even know. The SKS Simonov carbines, which were in service with the USSR Armed Forces, never had a burst firing mode. Dragunov SVD sniper rifles also did not exist "in metal", and even more so their version with auto-fire - SVU AS. The latter appeared already in the 1990s and for this reason they were not and could not be in service with the USSR Armed Forces. There was AVT-40 - an automatic version of the Tokarev SVT-38/40 self-loading rifle. But it was quickly removed from service during the Great Patriotic War - the automatic version of this rifle turned out to be frankly unsuccessful.

[viktor.]

Low bow to Georgy Konstantinovich !!!

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Eternal Glory to the Marshal of Victory!