Standing on the Fortanga River

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Standing on the Fortanga River

Who is offended for the state


The leadership of the Chechen Republic seems to be moving from words to actions. After a whole series of unsuccessful negotiations on the fate of the disputed territory, Chechen units of the Russian Guard were sent to the south of the republic.

The area of ​​their concentration is located exactly on the border of Chechnya and Ingushetia and very close to the border of Ossetia.




“But these are not independent states, but federal formations within Russia! - numerous Russian "lawyers" cried out in one voice. Under whose flag did they set out on the campaign? Under the flag of the Chechen Republic?

What can be the carve-up ?!

And in general - what kind of armed formations are they?

There is also the Charter of the Internal Service, the Military Regulations. It is they who regulate the movement of troops. And the movement of a military column without the identification marks of Russia is a direct violation of the regulations.

If these are exercises, then they should be included in the personnel training plan. If they are unplanned, they must be coordinated with Moscow. Particularly nervous was hooked on the fact that before that the right hand of Kadyrov - the speaker of the parliament of Chechnya Magomed Daudov had appointed a "shooter" to the representatives of the Council of Teips of Ingushetia.

This former militant, and now an authoritative deputy, proposed to solve the Sharia issue not just anywhere, but on the bank of the Fortanga River. And then the truth-tellers threw up their hands: "But what about the Constitutional Court?" And then they spent more than controversial historical parallel:

But what if tomorrow the head of the Voronezh region remembers that part of the land was cut off from the region in favor of the Lipetsk region? And why is Voronezh worse than Grozny? Return!


Photo: IA "Grozny-inform"

“With the filing of Ramzan Akhmatovich, a slide into the savagery of the Middle Ages will begin,” - from such a summary of jurists and truth-tellers it becomes simply bitter. - And in the future, the division of the entire country into specific principalities, which will be very easy to strangle one at a time. The dream of overseas "partners"!

Educational program for lawyers


The most interesting thing is that formally all these jurists are right. In fact, they behave like complete geopolitical laymen. At least in domestic politics. And they absolutely do not understand either the internal Russian realities of today, or the specifics of one of the most problematic regions of Russia - the North Caucasus.

That is why a short educational program is needed for lawyers-jurists and publicists-truth-tellers.

Politics, as you know, is the art of the possible. Note - not the art of the legal or illegal, but the possible. And in this case everything is possible - from contract killings to war. Or conducting local hostilities, including on their own territory. Worldwide practice, by the way.

Just do not think that the author, by no means a pacifist, is ready to justify both. No wonder the motto of our Foreign Intelligence Service is "Without the right to glory - for the glory of the state!" And they have no "right to fame" not only for reasons of secrecy. And also because sometimes you have to do dirty things.

For the good of their homeland, of course. And here talking about some kind of legality is at least stupid, and at the most dangerous. And it is fraught with the collapse of the country (which, by the way, our ancestors collected for centuries and with a lot of blood).

Caucasus before you


Now - with regards to the Caucasus itself. This region is extremely heterogeneous - both in terms of ethnic composition, and in the confession of different ethnic groups, and in the ideological canons of this or that ethnic group. There are regions with a complimentary attitude towards the Russian authorities and towards Russia in general.

The leaders of this "positive list" are Chechnya and Ossetia. Ossetia has traditionally been a reliable ally of Russia (although sometimes in relations between the local authorities and the Kremlin, it "failed"). During the protracted and exhausting Russian-Caucasian war, the Ossetians were the only people who did not adhere to the “ghazavat” that was blazing throughout the Caucasus.

Serving in the Russian army for the Ossetians has always been considered a military duty and an honorable duty. During both Chechen campaigns, the republic's leadership provided its border with the rebellious region in the region of Mozdok for the "jump base" of Russian troops. For which the same Ingush militants "thanked" them with a series of explosions in Vladikavkaz and a terrorist attack in Beslan.

After the invasion of Chechen militants into Dagestan, one of the leaders of the unrecognized republic, Akhmat Kadyrov, also demonstrated to the whole world “the art of the possible”, deliberately refusing to cooperate with the terrorists who flooded the country and sided with the federal troops. His son Ramzan followed the same path after the murder of his father.


No one knows (and will never know) what Akhmat Kadyrov and his son Ramzan told Putin in person. But the result is obvious. Grozny has been restored. And in the Caucasus, a whole army of infantrymen appeared, ready to defend the interests of Russia in various parts of the planet. And they proved it by deeds - both in the Donbass and in Syria.

Ingushetia and Dagestan are a completely different matter. There is no trace of any compliment to the central government. Thousands of Ingush and Dagestanis fought on the side of the militants during both Chechen campaigns. Its former leader Ruslan Aushev turned Ingushetia into a place of rest and rehabilitation for thousands of bandits from the neighboring region. It was the Ingush who made up the backbone of the gang that attacked schoolchildren in Beslan. This crime without a statute of limitations will never be forgotten in Ossetia.

In Dagestan, Wahhabism still blooms and smells lush. Not a week goes by without the security forces slamming another Wahhabi cell in the local forests. And the local scumbags, descending from the mountains to Russia, regularly demonstrate to the whole Russian society the bottom of their moral decline - they will attack the cadets, or they will kick the waitresses.

Sharia law and the axiom of geopolitics


In neighboring Ingushetia, any pro-Russian candidate meets with hostility and is eventually eaten by local clans. And from among themselves they are ready to delegate exclusively odious personalities such as the bandit patron Ruslan Aushev. But one after another, two Heroes of Russia were demolished - Zyazikov and Yevkurov.

There is not only (and not so much) the immaturity of society and the regional elite, but the open hostility of both of them towards Russia itself.

I would like to ask: what did you want after all this, gentlemen?

For Russia to turn its back on its loyal infantryman and give up disputed territories to a potentially hostile population?

The modern law of geopolitics, deduced by political scientist Alexander Dugin, reads: "Whoever dares to fight with Russia will pay for it with his territory." This payment has already been paid in full by Georgia, having lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Recently - Armenia, having parted with most of Karabakh.

Ingushetia also lost the Prigorodny District at one time. But it seems that neither the local elite, nor the local population, nor the local elders understood and learned nothing. And no conclusions were drawn. Therefore, the land in the area of ​​the Fortanga River is not the last loss in the history of the modern "small but proud republic" of Ingushetia. They still have a lot to lose. Much to our regret.
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  1. +6
    1 December 2021 15: 04
    There, without strict control from the center, it will not calm down by itself ...
    1. +36
      1 December 2021 15: 25
      To be tightly controlled, you need to have strength and a willingness to use it immediately. So that no one even had a shadow of doubt on this score. And Putin - no matter how they talk to us over the ears about his achievements, he did not win in Chechnya. He bought her off. And he continues to pay. Agree - these are slightly different things?

      Hence - and all the consequences in the Caucasus. And then it will only get worse. For there - they respect strength and only strength. Everything else is regarded solely as weakness. Mentality, sir ...
      1. +43
        1 December 2021 15: 40
        He bought her off. And he continues to pay.
        But, as the author enthusiastically wrote:
        the result is obvious. Grozny has been restored. And a whole army of infantrymen appeared in the Caucasus
        Interestingly, the author is really sure that if, hypothetically, there will be no Putin tomorrow, there will be no multi-billion dollar infusions, then this army of "Putin's foot soldiers" will be the same
        defend the interests of Russia in various parts of the world
        I am plagued by vague doubts about this. And yes, the author:
        “But these are not independent states, but federal formations within Russia! - numerous Russian "lawyers" cried out in one voice.
        is this so, can you imagine? And the question
        Under whose flag did they set out on the campaign?
        there is a place to be and you do not need to close your eyes to it.
        1. -4
          1 December 2021 17: 23
          And I, as a resident of the neighboring Stavropol Territory with Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan, agree with the author. Here you need to delve into local realities for a long time in order to understand something. And it’s easy to talk about “Putin bought himself off” without ever being familiar with the local specifics.

          The East is a delicate matter, and Putin is respected in Chechnya. Therefore, one of the central streets of Grozny bears his name, and portraits are at every step. Portraits of the one who "bought off", that is, in fact, pays tribute, in Chechnya would have been ripped off or painted over long ago. So everything is thinner, thinner. The author also outlined the situation in fairly broad strokes, but, on the whole, it is correct.

          For anyone interested, find on the Internet a series of articles by German Sadulayev "The Political History of the Chechen People". Very informative. A Russian and a Soviet patriot wrote - one, a Chechen by nationality - two.
          1. +15
            1 December 2021 22: 56
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            Portraits of the one who "bought off", that is, in fact, pays tribute, in Chechnya would have been ripped off or painted over long ago.

            Why would you? After all, Putin is still paying off. Plucking his portraits is like slaughtering the goose that lays the golden eggs.
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            find a series of articles by German Sadulaev online

            Sadulayev needs to try to build bridges between peoples - his dual nature disposes of this. And how many such Hermans are there? One, two, and got it wrong.
            According to the article: the author writes that if there is no compliment to the central government, then the Chechens will come and take the territory. What internal politics begins!
            Guys, if you don't want land to be cut off from your regions and edges, vote for EdRo and Putin, otherwise ...
            1. -4
              1 December 2021 23: 56
              Sadulayev needs to try to build bridges between peoples - his dual nature disposes of this.

              If they had read it, they would not have written it. IN GENERAL, Sadulayev spoke about something else. And there - not optimism, not optimism at all. In general, get acquainted with the subject of criticism - you will not regret it. And then it comes out according to the well-known principle - "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn."
              Why would you? After all, Putin is still paying off. Plucking his portraits is like slaughtering the goose that lays the golden eggs.

              Chechens have a different psychology. Dannikov is robbed there, not embarrassed by contempt. With Putin it is different. He is perceived as a person who brought peace to the republic and did not take revenge. Many there, even after Budennovsk, expected that Chechnya would simply be wiped off the face of the earth. I personally heard this from the inhabitants of the republic.

              And after the end of the second war, they were also preparing that Putin would begin to avenge both the terrorist attacks and the war. When it became clear that this would not happen, they breathed a sigh of relief. However, if revenge had really begun, the war would not have ended even now. Putin understood this, and therefore behaved the way he did. The result - when in 2010 I was in Grozny and around the city after 23-00, they only greeted me quite sincerely when they saw a guest from Russia.

              My school teacher, who ran an orphanage in Gudermes for 20 years (and remembers, by the way, Raduev, who was then in her circle) and now takes an excursion to Chechnya, says that the inhabitants of the republic began to understand that all this whistle about independence was a bloody adventure ... And we would very much like the Russians to return there. Nostalgic for the times when they lived together on the same land. Seriously. And when they find out that a person lived there, he generally becomes his own. These are all her words. I see no reason not to believe them. True, so far this is more about Grozny, Gudermes and villages in the north of Chechnya. In the mountains, similar processes are also going on, but more slowly.
              According to the article: the author writes that if there is no compliment to the central government, then the Chechens will come and take the territory.

              Here, perhaps, I agree. Immediately, I somehow did not pay attention to the fact that such a message was really visible in the article. If the author really meant it, and not just poorly expressed the idea, I can only sympathize with him.
              1. +7
                2 December 2021 08: 08
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                With Putin it is different. He is perceived as a person who brought peace to the republic and did not take revenge.

                You don't need to lie. They have a negative attitude to Putin, but they treat Kadyrov very well, they recently conducted a poll there. If you, as you say, know the Caucasus, then you know how the Caucasus treats weaklings. And they sincerely consider Putin to be a weakling, and they do not consider Kadyrov to be a weakling.
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                Nostalgic for the times when they lived together on the same land. Seriously.

                Yes, there is such a thing, but this is true for the entire North Caucasus and this is not love for Putin, but longing for the lost USSR and the benefits that were with it.
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                Here you need to delve into local realities for a long time in order to understand something.

                They perfectly understood any national realities under the USSR, and then the first secretary was always a national, and the second secretary was Russian (Ukrainian, Belarusian). It was the first secretary who "ruled over the national peculiarities", and the second - ruled the first. He steered it in the interests of the center, and rather harshly. This is the only way to govern the national republics.
                1. -3
                  2 December 2021 08: 30
                  I don’t need to solder lies, smart guy. Follow the words. And, yes, nostalgia for the USSR really has nothing to do specifically with Putin, but I didn't say that. So the claim is off target.

                  And since they started talking about respect for the president, from my communication with the Chechens and what I saw on the streets of Grozny, I made the opinion that I shared. Do you have something else? Flag in hand! But you need to choose the words in any case. Not taking advantage of the fact that through the computer monitor you will not be called to account.
                  1. +10
                    2 December 2021 09: 04
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    I don’t need to solder lies, smart guy.

                    Good. I ask you to excuse me for saying lies. I will say that you, I hope not intentionally, mislead members of the forum.
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    And since they started talking about respect for the president, from my communication with the Chechens and what I saw on the streets of Grozny, I made the opinion that I shared. Do you have something else?

                    Yes, I have something else. Recently, maybe a couple of weeks ago, we interviewed Chechnya, they have their own president, Kadyrov. Everything, the curtain. And they talk about Putin as a person who does not keep his word. You know that men in the Caucasus have a more than serious attitude to their word. How can you respect a person who does not keep his word? And the portraits, so they hang everywhere, and the portraits of the tsar once hung, what has changed that? And Russians in Chechnya are treated like guests, with all the ensuing consequences. This is my IMHO, I do not pretend to be true.
                    1. +5
                      2 December 2021 09: 33
                      Apologies are accepted. And you will excuse the familiarity.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And they talk about Putin as a person who does not keep his word.

                      If so, then I am ready to admit that I am wrong. Of course, Chechens do not forgive this to anyone, even guests. And the head of state, even more so. Apparently, my information is outdated. Or maybe they were initially not quite correct. But this is not a deception of the members of the forum, this is purely my mistake.

                      By the way, what kind of intemperate words of Putin are we talking about specifically in this case? About pension reform or in general? Maybe there was something about Chechnya?
                      1. +3
                        2 December 2021 09: 46
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        By the way, what kind of intemperate words of Putin are we talking about specifically in this case? About pension reform or in general?

                        I don’t know, we cannot ask our questions. All only on the form. a step to the left, a step to the right is a violation and a penalty. They speak very negatively about officials (not their own), they are silent for their own, like partisans. I suppose to be afraid.
                        PS Fear is visible especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg, people are scared to say anything about Navalny and Putin.
                      2. +1
                        2 December 2021 09: 55
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Fear is visible especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg

                        Ummm ... We're kind of talking about Chechnya. I don't quite understand, what has Moscow, Peter, Navalny to do with it? What do you mean?
                      3. +3
                        2 December 2021 10: 36
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        Ummm ... We're kind of talking about Chechnya. I don't quite understand, what has Moscow, Peter, Navalny to do with it? What do you mean?

                        I just wanted to say that many people are afraid to answer frankly many "slippery" questions. That is, they answer according to the principle, "what do you want to hear, comrade major." And in Chechnya, such a topic is the local "bosses". I really do not like Dagestan. Many young people there are illiterate and religious, as for me, this is an extremely dangerous combination, for example, to the question "Are you afraid that you or your relatives will get coronavirus" they answer as Allah gives, what can we do, he can do it for us to send, or maybe not to send, "I have never met such a thing among young people in Chechnya.
                      4. +1
                        2 December 2021 10: 40
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I just wanted to say that many people are afraid to answer frankly many "slippery" questions.

                        Hmm, somehow I did not catch up, although in general it was not difficult to understand what exactly this was about)))). Thank you, very useful information was provided during the conversation, no fools.

                        And as for the attitude to the "local" bosses, then, apparently, they are not very happy with them. It would be different - why hide, they would answer that yes, they say, everything is in order. There would be nothing to fear.
                    2. -3
                      2 December 2021 12: 14
                      Recently, maybe a couple of weeks ago, we interviewed Chechnya, they have their own president - Kadyrov
                      Yeah, they probably also "reviewed the TV" as well as the Ukrainians, who are Bandera supporters, who kill Russians in Donbass.
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                      2. +4
                        2 December 2021 14: 29
                        Quote: flicker
                        like the Ukrainians, who are Bandera, who are killing Russians in the Donbass.

                        And what have the Ukrainian Nazis got to do with it? By the way, the Nazis of any nationality are not very different from each other, all are disgusting. And Russian Nazis are no exception.
                      3. -2
                        2 December 2021 14: 59
                        By the way, Nazis of any nationality are not very different from each other.
                        You noticed that "not much different".
                        Now there is only a little left to notice how they are formed, multiply and, most importantly, what happens after that with the state.
                      4. +3
                        2 December 2021 15: 09
                        Quote: flicker
                        Now there is only a little left to notice how they are formed, multiply and, most importantly, what happens after that with the state.

                        What state are you talking about now?
              2. +7
                2 December 2021 12: 12
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                In general, get acquainted with the subject of criticism - you will not regret it.

                Yes, I read this Sadulaev. What did I write wrong? Isn't he trying to show, among other things, the good sides of the Chechens?
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                And after the end of the second war, they also prepared that Putin would begin to avenge both the terrorist attacks and the war. When it became clear that this would not happen, they breathed a sigh of relief.

                This was the first reaction. The second was: "Putin and Russia were scared of us, the" great warriors, "because we are Vainakhs, our national heroes are abreks who fought with the Republic of Ingushetia, we are all so rebellious and proud." Well, hanging a couple of flags and portraits for billions of subsidies is not at all a shame, but such a trick and daring.
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                The result - when in 2010 I was in Grozny and around the city after 23-00, they only greeted me quite sincerely when they saw a guest from Russia.

                This is because Ramzan would have punished. Recently there was a case when a bottle was thrown at a Russian MMA fighter at a competition in Grozny. So Kadyrov personally gave the hooligan out of the educational brute.
                And you try to stop paying subsidies, then look at what respect there will be and where the portraits with flags will end up ...
                1. -3
                  2 December 2021 12: 57
                  Isn't he trying to show, among other things, the good sides of the Chechens?

                  Did I make a complaint about this? I said that he did not try to build bridges between peoples with his publications. He said that Chechnya (at the time of the writing of Political History, that is, 10 years ago) was absolutely loyal to Putin. True, as a "nation state" under the Russian protectorate. Now, as Alexey said above, the situation has changed radically. So here I was wrong, as I wrote above.

                  This is because Ramzan would have punished
                  If so, we would simply not be noticed. Like, since you can't touch them, let them go. And they greeted us and talked to us. So you are wrong.

                  This was the first reaction. The second was: "Putin and Russia were scared of us, the" great warriors, "because we are Vainakhs, our national heroes are abreks who fought with the Republic of Ingushetia, we are all so rebellious and proud."

                  If it's not a secret, what is such deep analytics based on?
                  1. +4
                    2 December 2021 15: 23
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    And they greeted us and talked to us.

                    Nobody canceled simple human curiosity. And the Chechens are interested in seeing the Russians. There are almost no Russians of our own left - who were driven away, who were killed in the 90s ...
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    If it's not a secret, what is such deep analytics based on?

                    This analytics is not deep, since the attitude of Chechens towards Russians is on the surface. Chechen commentators on social networks won't let you lie.
                    1. -2
                      2 December 2021 15: 31
                      Social media commentators are another source. Not only Chechens, but also Russians. This is never a snapshot of the whole society. As well as those who slaughtered the Russians in the 90-00s.

                      And I will repeat once again: the Chechens do not even mind the Russians returning to Chechnya. They perceive those who lived there before the war as their own. I wrote above, on whose words I rely.

                      True, this will not happen by itself - the mentality of our peoples is too different, and the wounds will not heal for a long time. But if the state pursued a more meaningful national policy, much could already be corrected. Only our state is, alas, incapable of solving such complex problems today. And it is not a fact that one day he will learn.
                      1. +3
                        2 December 2021 15: 41
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        Chechens do not even mind the Russians returning to Chechnya. They perceive those who lived there before the war as their own. I wrote above, on whose words I rely.

                        It's like with flags and portraits. They do one thing, but in fact - another. They smile in their eyes, and a dagger behind their backs. You can invite to live, knowing that no one in their right mind will go there.
                      2. -2
                        2 December 2021 15: 42
                        I repeat the question: what are such "scientific" conclusions based on?
                      3. +3
                        2 December 2021 15: 50
                        They don’t go there to live. Or do you have other information? Why don't they come if they invite? The places there are beautiful, Grozny is glowing, security is on the level. It would seem - go to paradise! But no. Is this connected with distrust of the Chechens? Undoubtedly. And this did not arise from scratch.
                      4. -1
                        2 December 2021 16: 05
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Is this connected with distrust of the Chechens? Undoubtedly.

                        Who can argue. There is simply no other way than this mistrust, very often exaggerated, to overcome. 12 years have passed since the CTO regime was canceled. And active battles ended even earlier. People tend to change during this time. They changed.

                        What do you suggest besides your emotions? Remove them from the Russian Federation? Even if this does not whip up separatism in other republics, the probability of which is zero, then we will get Ichkeria 2.0 on our borders. With the new Basayevs and Khattabs at the head. Do you want that?
                      5. +2
                        2 December 2021 16: 26
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        12 years have passed since the CTO regime was canceled.

                        It took 39 years from the rehabilitation of the Chechens to the first Chechen one ...
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        People tend to change during this time.

                        The last time you fought with the Poles? In the 39th. Then there was even an OVD friendship. Have Poles ceased to be Russophobes?
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        What do you suggest besides your emotions? Remove them from the Russian Federation? Even if this does not whip up separatism in other republics, the probability of which is zero, then we will get Ichkeria 2.0 on our borders. With the new Basayevs and Khattabs at the head. Do you want that?

                        Demagoguery has gone ... Why would I suggest something? I express my opinion on the situation. And even more so, I do not want new Basayevs and Khattabakhs. Why are you attributing this to me? The problem is that these Basayevs can appear at any moment, since you yourself write that the state has scored in solving national problems. And the vacuum of ideology will quickly be occupied by others.
                      6. -2
                        2 December 2021 17: 06
                        Demagoguery has gone ...

                        Why are you attributing this to me?

                        I am not attributing anything to you, but I am asking you a question. Misunderstood. And about demagoguery - who would say. Shaking the air on the topic of Russophobia of the Chechens without specifics on what to do about it - isn't it demagoguery? I asked you very specific questions, especially if they are not taken out of context. Their essence is to translate the dialogue into a constructive channel.
                        It took 39 years from the rehabilitation of the Chechens to the first Chechen one ...

                        And therefore, in the flat part of Chechnya, the majority were opponents of Dudayev. There were even those who tried to commit an attempt on his life. Google, you will find a lot of information on this matter. And in the mountains, not everyone was in a hurry to follow his promises, rather, they watched the process, waiting for what would come of it all in order to understand how to proceed. It's just that our authorities behaved in such a way that they themselves turned the lowland population against themselves. Well, the highlanders realized that to contradict Dudayev was more dear to himself. However, his support there was initially strong.
                      7. +2
                        2 December 2021 19: 02
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        Shaking the air on the topic of Russophobia of the Chechens without specifics on what to do about it - isn't it demagoguery?

                        And why do we need specifics on the topic - "what to do with it"? Will this change something at the state level?
                        Pure demagoguery. They wrote about Ichkeria and Basayev, and then you ask me if I want this.
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        And therefore, in the flat part of Chechnya, the majority were opponents of Dudayev.

                        That's not why. But because the tribal structure is like that. Rarely have the Chechens united completely. Some helped the same Ermolov. Well, the authorities wanted to. Aren't other tukkhums jealous of Kadyrov now? And if a war starts, then he will also have enemies.
                      8. -2
                        2 December 2021 19: 13
                        Actually, the "shake of air" began with the fact that you responded to my comment. And now you don’t like that I’m asking questions that you don’t want or cannot answer. If you do not want to - do not answer, your right.
                        And why do we need specifics on the topic - "what to do with it"?

                        Then it was not worth entering into the discussion, since the principle "criticize - suggest" you prefer to ignore.
                      9. 0
                        2 December 2021 19: 28
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        And now you don’t like that I’m asking questions that you don’t want or cannot answer.

                        Questions? You have written down whole logical chains on my account - from the disconnection of the CR and ending with Khattab. And then there was the question - do I want this. This technique in demagoguery is such a "straw scarecrow".
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        once the principle "criticize - suggest" you prefer to ignore.

                        I did not criticize - once. The principle does not have to be applied whenever you criticize - two.
                        And if it comes to that, then you, criticizing the government:
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        But the matter is not in the Chechens, but in the illiterate national (and not only) policy of the state.

                        Suggest ...
                        When offering - do ...
                        Once done, answer.
                      10. -2
                        2 December 2021 20: 33
                        When offering - do ...
                        Once done, answer.

                        See above. And as for the logical chains, supposedly "credited to your account" lol so if you do not try to integrate Chechnya into the all-Russian political space, then only such an alternative can be seen. To that and led.

                        And she is needed - this integration
                        Your words?
                      11. +1
                        2 December 2021 20: 44
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        See above.

                        Where to look? Have you done something to strengthen friendship between peoples?
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        if one does not try to integrate Chechnya into the all-Russian political space, then only such an alternative can be seen.

                        Such, if only to solve the problem as in 94-99.
                      12. 0
                        2 December 2021 21: 47
                        Where to look? Have you done something to strengthen friendship between peoples?

                        On a personal level, yes. And “see above” meant that I spoke on the topic of solutions.

                        The way the problem was solved in the 90s is, I agree, worse than ever. Well, you have an opinion on this matter. I would be interested to know him. Just wondering, without the desire to find fault.
                      13. +1
                        3 December 2021 12: 15
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        Well, you have an opinion on this matter. I would be interested to know him.

                        You want to take me under the monastery ...
                      14. 0
                        3 December 2021 12: 28
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        You want to take me under the monastery ...

                        In no case, therefore I lag behind with questions. But I think I understood in general terms. The current situation may indeed entail such consequences that there will be no choice. But I really would not like it.
                      15. +1
                        3 December 2021 12: 41
                        “And I will repeat once again: the Chechens do not even mind the Russians returning to Chechnya. They perceive those who lived there before the war as their own.”

                        Do you really think so !?
                        Or just hearsay?
                        They do not consider them for any of their own
                      16. -1
                        3 December 2021 13: 18
                        Quote: Revival
                        Do you really think so !?
                        Or just hearsay?
                        They do not consider them for any of their own

                        Do you already have a ready answer, what do you want from me in this case? There is no one to hold a meeting with? Excuse me, I won't make up a company for you.
                      17. +2
                        3 December 2021 13: 42
                        Informative, thank you.
                        All clear..
                      18. +1
                        4 December 2021 22: 35
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        Only our state is, alas, incapable of solving such complex problems today. And it is not a fact that one day he will learn.

                        Never learn. This is not possible within the capitalist system. Capitalism is always competition, and as a result, a conflict between different groups of capitalists. Who in the struggle always use nationalism as a factor in rallying the fooled masses.
                      19. 0
                        5 December 2021 01: 07
                        Well, in principle, they said what I didn’t say. I just do not rule out the peaceful transition of our country to socialism. It is clear that now this is not even close to being seen, but there is a demand in society, and not only among those who found the USSR. So it's not impossible.
                      20. +1
                        5 December 2021 12: 43
                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        I just do not rule out the peaceful transition of our country to socialism.

                        And I categorically exclude it. Because it is extremely illogical and there have never been such precedents in history.
                2. -2
                  2 December 2021 13: 13
                  The second was: "Putin and Russia were scared of us -" great warriors ", because we are Vainakhs, our national heroes are abreks who fought with the Republic of Ingushetia, we are all so rebellious and proud"

                  Abrek - a man who went to the mountains, living outside the power and law, leading a partisan-robber lifestyle; originally a Caucasian mountaineer, expelled by birth for a crime, usually murder.
                  For Caucasians in general (especially for the Vainakhs), be exiled family from among them - this is a strong punishment.
                  So I doubt that the abreks are heroes for them. But this is by the way.
                  ---
                  Now with regard to this thought
                  "Putin and Russia of us -" great warriors "were scared

                  Maybe some part of the Chechen youth thinks so. I think that older Chechens do not think so.
                  But the main thing is not in this, but in the answer to the question:

                  What do you think?

                  If you think so, let me remind you that Akhmat Kadyrov was the initiator of the turn of Chechnya from war with Russia to integration with Russia, for which, by the way, he was killed by terrorists.
                  He gave his life, and turned his people around from destruction.

                  Because he saw and understood that the Western special services (through their eastern emissaries) are at war with Russia with the help of the Chechens.
                  That the West does not need any "free Ichkeria", but they need a war with Russia. And for the sake of this war, they are ready to ditch any nation, be it Chechens, later Georgians, and soon it will probably be Ukrainians.

                  But in Chechnya, Akhmat Kadyrov was found, who led his people away from the abyss, and in Georgia and Ukraine, there were no such personalities.
                  ---
                  And now I will repeat the question again:
                  What do you think, are we scared or not?
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2021 15: 34
                    Quote: flicker
                    Abrek - a man who has gone to the mountains, living outside the power and law, leading a guerrilla-robber way of life; originally - Caucasian highlander, expelled from his environment for a crime, usually murder.

                    Does the word "originally" mean anything to you?
                    During the conquest of the Caucasus by the Russian Empire, the Russians called abreks any unfriendly mountaineers who, alone or in small groups, waged a partisan war against the conquerors.

                    Quote: flicker
                    the initiator of the turn of Chechnya from war with Russia to integration with Russia was Akhmat Kadyrov

                    Is it needed - this "integration"? And where is she de facto? The territory of the Chechen Republic has its own rules and concepts, "state within a state".
                    How many wolves do not feed ...
                    Quote: flicker
                    What do you think, are we scared or not?

                    I think I'm tired. Tired of fighting in this incomprehensible war. There was no particular motivation among the inhabitants of, say, the Urals, to go and die in a foreign area, it is not clear why. Therefore, at first they exhaled with relief that the war was over and the soldiers stopped dying, but the problem was not solved and in the future all this would still come around ...
                    1. -2
                      2 December 2021 15: 44
                      the problem has not been solved and in the future all this will come back to haunt ...

                      Here I agree. But the matter is not in the Chechens, but in the illiterate national (and not only) policy of the state. If nothing changes in this regard, problems will begin even where they are not present and close.
                    2. -1
                      2 December 2021 20: 05
                      Does the word "originally" mean anything to you?
                      "Initially" is the basic (one might say essential) meaning, and all other meanings are only derivatives of the basic meaning.

                      So the main meaning is a Caucasian mountaineer, expelled by his native people for a crime, usually murder - here he was expelled from his own environment. Since killing someone was, if not the norm, then it was quite commonplace (for example, in Russia there were duels - and murders were not considered a crime there), especially among the highlanders. And if they were expelled, then they killed someone, if not his own, then a very close person.

                      Abrek, in fact, is a man whose clan cursed.
                      For the highlanders, this was precisely the main meaning of this word.
                      ---
                      But the fact that
                      Russians called any unfriendly mountaineers abreks
                      who fought a partisan war - it does not at all follow that the word "abrek" began to sound with a positive connotation, for the same highlanders.

                      "Abreks" existed long before the "Caucasian war" as well as after it.
                      ----
                      Is it needed - this "integration"? And where is she de facto?
                      Is the war going on?
                      If
                      Tired of fighting in this incomprehensible war. There was no particular motivation among the residents

                      do you need integration or not?
                      I see, we just wanted and want to live in peace, right?

                      But who will give us?

                      They wanted to live in peace, but in 2008 they had to fight with Georgia.
                      We wanted to live in peace, but there were problems with Ukraine.
                      ---
                      We want to live in peace, but in Kazakhstan, which is not integrated with us, geldings are creating another biological laboratory.
                      ---
                      but the problem has not been solved and in the future all this will come back to haunt ...
                      Well, there are always a lot of problems, but if we talk like that, then there will be even more problems - but then it can definitely come back to haunt.
                      1. +1
                        2 December 2021 21: 05
                        Quote: flicker
                        For the highlanders, this was precisely the main meaning of this word.

                        Chechens do not call themselves "Czechs" either, and the concept of "Czech" originally means "a resident of the Czech Republic". Just like Afghans are not "spirits", and so on.
                        Therefore, the word "abrek" in the sense that the Russian troops attached to it is more than permissible in our discussion. And you made a boring lecture on etymology here ...
                        Quote: flicker
                        Is the war going on?

                        Interbellum.
                        Quote: flicker
                        do you need integration or not?

                        But what kind of integration? I don’t remember any cases in history when yesterday’s separatists were poured in huge amounts of money and allowed to keep their army. Imagine a situation when the LPNR goes to Ukraine, and Ukraine rebuilds Donbass, gives subsidies and keeps the Donbass militia? Can't believe it? I can’t believe it correctly ... I repeat: I don’t remember anything like that.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Well, there are always a lot of problems, but if we talk like that, then there will be even more problems.

                        I understand correctly: if we talk about solving problems, then there are more problems? This is how it works ... A la Scarlett O'Hara - "I won't think about it today. I will think about it tomorrow."
                        In general, predicting possible problems is very useful for the state. Forewarned is forearmed. You need to know in advance - who you can hope for and who you can't.
                      2. -1
                        2 December 2021 21: 48
                        Therefore, the word "abrek" in the sense that the Russian troops attached to it is more than acceptable in our discussion.
                        It is permissible in the discussion, but you attribute it to the Chechens in this sense.
                        we are Vainakhs, our national heroes are abreks

                        ---
                        Interbellum.
                        Well, you can say about everything and everyone, because most of human history is a war.
                        they are pouring in huge amounts of money
                        Give specific numbers, otherwise "huge" is a loose concept.
                        And how much did the war cost?
                        And how much do you estimate the human losses?
                        let you keep your army
                        Correct are paramilitary units that are subordinate to federal agencies and participate in the elimination of terrorists on the territory of Chechnya (including at the cost of their own lives).
                        Imagine a situation when the LPNR goes to Ukraine, and Ukraine rebuilds Donbass, gives subsidies and keeps the Donbass militia?
                        That is why Donbass will never become part of the current Bandera Ukraine.
                        I understand correctly: if we talk about solving problems, then there are more problems?
                        Well, if, as a solution, you are either hinting at the continuation of hostilities, or suggesting to separate this territory.
                        the war is over and the soldiers stopped dying, but the problem is not solved and in the future all this will come back to haunt ...

                        And if you separate, then there will be no problems?
                        Well, it was from 1995 to 1999.
                        Chechnya has been a hotbed of terrorism.
                        Maybe it was necessary to wait for the geldings to create another biolaboratory there?
                        Or did you suggest any other way?
                        You need to know in advance - who you can hope for and who you can't.
                        So think about it, and in order to think better, let me remind you that a new American biological laboratory is being built on the territory of Kazakhstan.
                      3. +1
                        3 December 2021 12: 32
                        Quote: flicker
                        It is permissible in the discussion, but you attribute it to the Chechens in this sense.

                        It was an interpretation. Tell me why I didn’t write in Chechen. For authenticity.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Give specific numbers, otherwise "huge" is a loose concept.


                        And what is characteristic, in three of the five most subsidized regions - Chechnya, Dagestan and Yakutia, the percentage of the Russian population is very small, but "national identity" is on the rise.
                        Quote: flicker
                        And how much did the war cost?
                        And how much do you estimate the human losses?

                        Do you want Russia to pay off the war in the future? So in fact it may turn out that there will be a shame (ransom) and war. As long as Russia pays, there is peace in Chechnya. And how will it stop - what? You still have to fight or what?
                        Quote: flicker
                        Correct are paramilitary units that are subordinate to federal agencies and participate in the elimination of terrorists on the territory of Chechnya

                        Well, yes, well, yes ... Along the way, threatening the neighbors with sudden "exercises".
                        Quote: flicker
                        And if you separate, then there will be no problems?

                        Branch division strife.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Let me remind you that a new American biological laboratory is being built on the territory of Kazakhstan

                        Why do Americans need biolabs in foreign countries? Isn't it easier on your territory in the strictest secrecy? And how are we to be? Do you propose to "join" Kazakhstan?
                      4. 0
                        3 December 2021 14: 35
                        It was an interpretation. Tell me why I didn’t write in Chechen. For authenticity.
                        You have given as an argument
                        we are Vainakhs, our national heroes are abreks
                        Which is far from the truth, because abreks cannot be national heroes among the Caucasians (especially among the Vainakhs), since
                        a highlander expelled from his own midst
                        Such people, by definition, cannot be considered heroes, and even more so among the highlanders of the Caucasus.
                        ----
                        As for the numbers.
                        "Caucasian families, as a rule, have many children. The birth rate is especially high in Chechnya and Dagestan. Therefore, here most of the budget money is spent on helping young families and their children."
                        Per capita subsidies.

                        ---
                        Do you want Russia to pay off the war in the future?

                        "72 out of 85 regions of Russia receive subsidies from the budget"
                        Well ?
                        If he stops paying, what will happen?
                        ----
                        You still have to fight or what?

                        Well, if the opinion of people like you starts to dominate, then everything can be.
                        How much did the First Chechen war cost Russia? Further: In Chechnya, the destruction is estimated at $ 5,5 billion and the burden of reconstruction fell on Russia.

                        Macroeconomics is not happy

                        The total costs and losses of Russia are estimated at $ 100 billion.
                        It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/40431869/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

                        ----
                        Why do Americans need biolabs in foreign countries?
                        Think about it yourself. What for?
                        Do you propose to "join" Kazakhstan?

                        I suggest not to multiply the entity without special need for that.
                        In other words, do not repeat nonsense at least.
                      5. 0
                        3 December 2021 22: 30
                        Quote: flicker
                        You have given as an argument

                        Not as an argument, but as an example of the Chechen worldview.
                        But if you are such a meticulous person, then here is from the Chechen Wikipedia:
                        Kharachoin Zelamkha (wines 1872 sheran janvareh Khorakakh - khelkhina 1913 sheran 26 Septemberkh Shelakh) - nokhchiin gӀarvalla obarg.

                        Obarg is an abrek in Chechen. Zelimkhan is a typical representative. And he was an abrek from all sides - he fought against the Russian authorities and practiced blood feud. And the hero is considered and there is a monument to him.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Per capita subsidies.

                        The Chukchi do not mind. How many of them are left? Their demography is not like in the Czech Republic. The entire Chukotka Autonomous Okrug - 50 thousand people. Of which the Chukchi themselves make up 25%. And the numbers continue to decline. This is not for you:
                        Quote: flicker
                        Caucasian families, as a rule, have many children. The birth rate is especially high in Chechnya and Dagestan.

                        But Tyva and Yakutia - where nationalism blooms and smells. There are also fewer Russians in the Altai Republic.
                        It even seems that Russia is for national minorities ...
                        Quote: flicker
                        The total costs and losses of Russia are estimated at $ 100 billion.

                        So you still have to pour money in there?
                        Here is an article from the same rambler:
                        As of 2020, you can see a graph that clearly shows that the Czech Republic receives subsidies in the amount of 33,485 billion rubles. it 64% more than invested in the development of Crimea... Is it justified? Grants schedule for 2020

                        It can be understood from Kadyrov's statements that the main strategy is to make Chechnya the most livable region. He invests the money received in the development of tourism, and the improvement of cities (especially Grozny). At the same time, the region occupies one of the leading positions in unemployment. Despite this, the Chechens can be confident in the future, because Russia will always pay a lot of money free of charge.

                        https://finance.rambler.ru/other/45002275-zachem-tak-mnogo-skolko-deneg-poluchaet-chechenskaya-respublika-iz-federalnogo-byudzheta/
                        Quote: flicker
                        I suggest not to multiply the entity without special need for that.

                        These are not essences, but logical conclusions. After all, you make it clear that neighboring territories that are not under the control of the Russian Federation are becoming a springboard for a potential enemy.
                      6. 0
                        4 December 2021 21: 42
                        Obarg is an abrek in Chechen. Zelimkhan is a typical representative. And he was an abrek from all sides - he fought against the Russian authorities and practiced blood feud. And the hero is considered and there is a monument to him.
                        Well, yes, there is such a thing, I looked at my leisure.
                        Well, if so, then there is nothing to worry about.
                        They will destroy themselves. And at the heart of this destruction will be a new interpretation of abrecia.

                        Before considering the Chechen definition of "abrek", I would like to remind you that the concept "abrek" is a general Caucasian concept, and not exclusively a Chechen one. And it is revealed (once again)
                        as - a Caucasian mountaineer, expelled from his environment for a crime, usually murder.


                        The main and essential thing in it is: EXCESSED BY THE KIND FROM HIS ENVIRONMENT, and not a crime, since they were not expelled for every crime.
                        The expulsion from one's own midst was an edifying, educational and punitive act - in order to be seen by others.
                        In this formula, the "clan" (the elders, the wisest representatives of the clan) acted as the morally dominant body over any "member of the clan." Those. "genus" gave a moral assessment of the deed of any "member of the genus." "The genus appreciated, the genus decided, the genus said - any member of the genus fulfilled." And this formula worked among the Caucasians for centuries and especially among the Vainakhs.
                        And this (the moral supremacy of the clan) was the most important educational mechanism among the highlanders.

                        Once again, MOST IMPORTANT.
                        ---
                        What is changing in connection with the heroization of the abreks? And "abrek" on
                        modern jargon is "out-of-bounds".

                        The heroization of "abrecia" is impossible without a moral justification for this type of behavior by birth.
                        This means that the "genus" must justify this, give this behavior a high moral value.

                        Ie give a high moral assessment to the "outrageous", the robber !?

                        As soon as the "clan" (elders, the wisest) begins to justify from a moral point of view any actions of "members of a clan": Like, since ours, it is always right! - so immediately he ceases to play the role of a morally dominant body, which means he deprives himself of the educational mechanism (MOST IMPORTANT!), loses moral superiority.

                        And as soon as they (the elders) lose their moral superiority, almost no one will listen to them.

                        But this is not so bad, and the worst thing is that the right of the moral authority in the clan will pass from the elders to the "abreks". And already the "abreks" will give a moral assessment (because their authority in society is not subject to doubt) to certain actions, and the elders will be forced to reckon and accept the position of the "abrek".

                        As a result, the elders will either not be able to educate the younger generation, or they will be able to educate them exclusively by “abreks”.
                        And "abrek", once again, in modern jargon is "outrageous". Those. a person who does not reckon with anyone. And what can a "limitless man" give rise to? And how long will he be unlimited, to be an authority?
                        And this will at least give rise to an ethnic crisis, which will give rise to the transformation of intra-ethnic relations. Where all this will move is not clear.

                        One thing is certain, the glorification of abrecia leads the Vainakhs to a revision of the intra-ethnic principles of upbringing. And if tribal relations simply hampered the development of the ethnos, then the glorification of abrecia will simply destroy them completely.
                        ------
                        There is a separate question here: what caused the Chechen moral balancing act. What forces are behind this revision. Some of these forces can be seen here:
                        Vladimir Bobrovnikov "Abreks and the State: Culture of Violence in the Caucasus"
                        Ibid: "the idealization and Islamization of the abrek is taking place. Many abreks began to be revered as the holy sheikhs-patrons of the Muslim mountaineers" Institute of Oriental Studies RAS, Moscow), Moscow, 2000, No. 1 (8), pp. 19-46.
                        This article is based on my revised text of lectures on abbreviation, prepared for two seminars on the topic "Empire and Region: the Russian Case, 1700-1991",held in New York and Omsk in the winter of 1998 and the summer of 1999. I want to express my thanks to the Ford Foundation for paying my trip to these seminars"

                        ---
                        Well, the topic of abrecia is very interesting for the Ford Foundation and even a whole seminar in New York !!!!!!

                        By the way, this topic (the heroization of abreks) is popularized on the site "Caucasian Knot", which is classified as a foreign agent. Apparently they want the Chechens and Russia to do well, with Western money.
                      7. 0
                        5 December 2021 11: 49
                        Do not idealize their "elders" and their "family". it their genus and their elders. All of these rules of conduct, traditions and adats are primarily for domestic consumption.
                        One journalist very lucidly said:
                        It is ontologically wrong to think that such behavior of Caucasians is connected with the fact that they "got loose without family supervision." This is a very convenient and hypocritical explanation: no one is to blame and Rafik is never guilty, and there is still an attempt to shift the blame onto us, such soulless ones.
                        But now I will say an unpleasant thing: such behavioral reactions were formed precisely in families, on the territory of the republics. They are brought up like that at home, do you understand? They clearly outline the boundaries for young people - who is higher, who is lower, who is a sucker, who tolerated, who is faithful, and who is wicked, and this is the famous thing: "you need to steal in Russia, but help people at home." In part, such a line of upbringing was also formed by the flawed domestic policy in the Russian Federation, where entire nationalities deliberately "roamed", and were not called upon to a common Order and Law. Where some nationalities stuck out to the detriment of others, although according to a social contract, we are all Russians. Where the state-forming people for almost 20 years passed on the lists of "skinheads and chauvinists" as opposed to "anti-fascist peoples" from the criminalized, tightly subsidized and weakly capable republics. Do you know what are the criteria for a quality bride in Dagestan? "A purchased diploma means smart, and a group of disabilities - there will always be money in the family and so that she could give birth a lot, one child -" Priora ", two children -" second-hand Mercedes ". I'm not exaggerating, it's a lifestyle - milking a budget.
                        All these signals were clearly counted, and believe the person who saw the emergence of civil wars - this street cormorant, which the security forces cannot suppress in any way, is a harbinger of something formidable and unpleasant, the worst thing that can be imagined ... Moreover, this line of behavior is moderated from abroad. Do you think that Turkish TV series have been shown in the North Caucasus just like that for the last 10 years? And you know what they show there? A trick question. And this is just one example of community outreach. And what are the crowds whispering about near the mosques after Friday namaz, what are the street preachers talking about there? Where are we now "Dar al-Harb" and when will all this turn into "Dar al-Islami"?
                        It is best not to know this - there will be no sleep, no appetite, and we are assigned to be well-fed, well-fed passengers on the fat pastures of "Dar-al-Kufr".

                        And what with the fact that "outrageous"? Is everything in our country according to the law? Is there a real legal force capable of restraining the outlaws? There are enough bogeymen even in power. A bunch of anti-popular laws and reforms. And, to paraphrase: the bogeyman will not peck out the eyes of the bogeyman.
                      8. 0
                        5 December 2021 21: 27
                        Do not idealize their "elders" and their "family". This is their lineage and their elders. All of these rules of conduct, traditions and adats are primarily for domestic consumption.
                        Yes, it's not about whether they are for internal consumption or for external consumption.

                        The point is that the elders seem to have lost their role as a moral mouthpiece, and most likely completely. This means that the binding of the ethnic group is weakening.

                        During the Chechen wars, this role almost completely passed to the field commanders, they are "abreks", they are outrageous.

                        Is there a real legal force capable of restraining the outlaws?
                        In the first place, many of the 90 are no longer there - so it is possible.
                        Secondly, we are talking about another function that arises before the out-of-bounds: the ability to educate. They could kill, rob, but not educate, this also requires morality. But she is not. There is no morality, nothing to cement the ethnos with.
                        The outlaws wanted to write their own thieves' law and make the criminal world live by their rules. But for this they lacked education and ideological basis. As the writer Varlam Shalamov later recalled, all of them were driven primarily by anger and a desire to take revenge both on the thieves and on the “bogged down”.


                        In this context, Akhmat Kadyrov's turn away from the policy pursued by the "abreks" can be seen as a desire to return moral leverage to the Chechen elders. The elders themselves could no longer turn the situation around. Too much has been lost by them in 90 years. And for this they had to return to the Russian legislative field and by joint efforts to expel the "abrekovshchina".
                        But it seems that what was lost by the elders could not be fully restored, and Islam began to play an increasing role of the moral regulator. This means that the leading and guiding force has moved to Saudi Arabia.
                        Question: how will the national get along with the Muslim? Someone should give in to someone.
                        ---
                        Today is not 90 years, today thanks to scientific and technological progress it is possible to very quickly find criminals. Therefore, before you "drink, steal, go to jail" you should think carefully.
                        The bogeyman will not peck out the eyes of the bogeyman.
                        What will slow them down? What? Even as he will peck it out.
                      9. -1
                        6 December 2021 12: 16
                        Quote: flicker
                        The point is that the elders seem to have lost their role as a moral mouthpiece, and most likely completely. This means that the binding of the ethnic group is weakening.

                        So what? For Russians, old people have long ceased to be a decree. The problem of fathers and children, so to speak. Even the previous generation is not an authority, but a reason for ridicule, a la: okay, boomer ... Is the ethnic group weakened from this? Perhaps. But it did not disintegrate.
                        Quote: flicker
                        During the Chechen wars, this role almost completely passed to the field commanders, they are "abreks", they are outrageous.

                        Don't you know that many of Kadyrov's former militants are serving? Do you think that since they put on Russian uniforms, their nature has changed?
                        Quote: flicker
                        And for this they had to return to the Russian legislative field and by joint efforts to expel the "abrekovschina".

                        What other "Russian Legislative Field", when Kadyrov said in plain text that if operas from other regions of Russia arrive on the territory of the Chechen Republic, then you can safely shoot at them?
                        Quote: flicker
                        Today is not 90 years, today thanks to scientific and technological progress it is possible to very quickly find criminals.

                        Well, yes ... This is if those who find have a desire and incentive to find. It is the person who ultimately decides, not the CCTV camera.
                        And this person can be pressured / bribed in different ways. And Caucasians are like fish in water in these matters.
                        Quote: flicker
                        What will slow them down? What? Even as it will peck out

                        Hand washes his hand. While some lawless people adopt laws that are inconvenient for the people, others (of a lower rank) distract the people from negative reactions to local laws. Divide / Distract and Conquer.
                      10. 0
                        6 December 2021 16: 22
                        Is the ethnos weakened from this? Perhaps. But it did not disintegrate.
                        How weak he was. "Not disintegrated" well, so the process is going on and everything can be.
                        Don't you know that many of Kadyrov's former militants are serving?
                        I know. And these "former militants" on the territory of Chechnya are participating in the elimination of terrorists, and they themselves also perish.
                        put on Russian uniforms - have their nature changed?

                        Of course, the nature of the "put on uniforms" did not change.
                        But during the reign of the field commanders in 1995-1999, I think how much else has changed. Once they decided to return to the Russian Legislative Space - if only to destroy the power of the so-called field commanders and Arab mercenaries. It was not just that Akhmat Kadyrov took this step - but this step, in case of failure, would threaten Kadyrov with the destruction of his entire family, moreover, as enemies of the Chechen people. Now the majority in Chechnya understands that Akhmat Kadyrov was right, but then it was a big question.
                        What other "Russian Legislative Field", when Kadyrov said in plain text that if operas from other regions of Russia arrive on the territory of the Chechen Republic, then you can safely shoot at them?
                        Much has been said about this situation.
                        The problem is that you need to notify your regional colleagues about such an operation.
                        Imagine a situation, in broad daylight, let's say Stavropol in front of people and the local police some people in camouflage and masks jump out of the car and open fire to kill.
                        What should the local police do? Just watch! And if they are bandits in disguise? Fire! And if they are yours?
                        ---
                        It is the person who ultimately decides, not the CCTV camera.
                        And this person can be pressured / bribed in different ways.
                        Of course the person decides, but the CCTV camera OX, how it limits this person. It is easy with a witness, and the camera will not refuse its "testimony", and if there are also several cameras, and also YouTube. How is it necessary to pressure and bribe to hush up the case?
                        The hand washes the hand.
                        For the time being: Arashukov's dad and son won't let them lie.
                      11. -1
                        6 December 2021 19: 10
                        Quote: flicker
                        And these "former militants" on the territory of Chechnya are participating in the elimination of terrorists, and they themselves also perish.

                        Why do you need quotation marks? And in other regions of the Russian Federation, not covered by subsidies, it is not former and not militants who are involved in the elimination of terrorists, but employees of law enforcement agencies and the National Guard, so what?
                        Quote: flicker
                        Now the majority in Chechnya understands that Akhmat Kadyrov was right

                        Was Putin right when he pacified Chechnya with the help of money ..? The question is rhetorical ...
                        Quote: flicker
                        What should the local police do? Just watch! And if they are bandits in disguise? Fire! And if they are yours?

                        In fact, "the Russian Interior Ministry said that the Chechen colleagues knew about the operation and participated in it." But the Chechen Republic is a state within a state, so "this is different." Who would explain whether there is at least some benefit from finding the Chechen Republic as part of Russia?
                        Quote: flicker
                        For the time being: Arashukov's dad and son won't let them lie.

                        The exception that confirms the rule. From time to time, of course, someone is leaked.
                      12. 0
                        6 December 2021 23: 49
                        Why do you need quotation marks?
                        the expression is yours.
                        And in other regions of the Russian Federation, not covered by subsidies, it is not former and not militants who are involved in the elimination of terrorists, but employees of law enforcement agencies and the National Guard, so what?
                        And by the way, they work very successfully (knocked on wood).
                        Who knows, maybe the agents have started to work better ?!
                        Was Putin right when he pacified Chechnya with the help of money ..? The question is rhetorical ...
                        The costs of rebuilding Chechnya were, of course, large, but no less was spent on the war, not to mention human losses.

                        But the reconciliation happened not because of money, but because the Chechen society itself (at least the part that had not lost its sanity by that time) saw in the period 1995 - 1999, which means the power of field commanders: robberies, robberies, slave trade, schools, no hospitals, but sabotage schools led by foreign instructors.
                        And none of the elders could change the situation, since at the beginning of the war themselves Chosen as a model for the moral behavior of gangsters who later became field commanders. That is, the elders, in fact, have taken off the function of the bearer of morality and endowed the field commanders (abreks) with it.
                        And in the period 1995-1999 they could not regain this function.
                        After that, the only reasonable way (and perhaps the only way to get rid of the arbitrariness of the field commanders) was seen in returning to the framework of Russian legislation. It can be said that the reconciliation took place on the basis of "flight" from the dominance of "abrecia". Those. it can be said that Akhmat Kadyrov led the Chechen people away from the dictatorship and dominance of the "abregancy," Ramzan Kadyrov continues this line. But those Chechen sites, and the forces behind them, continue to praise the abreks, in fact, they want to revise the line chosen by Akhmat Kadyrov. We can say that Kadyrov is being attacked by supporters of "abrechestvo" (field commanders) and part of the Russian population, although another part of the Russian population supports both Kadyrov and his policies.
                        ---
                        So that was what was at the heart of reconciliation, not money. And the money was allocated for the restoration of cities and towns in order to quickly return people to a peaceful life.
                        Well, this is how Russia builds its policy in relation to the peoples inhabiting it.
                        ---
                        In fact, "the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia said that the Chechen colleagues knew about the operation and participated in it."
                        In general, that case was very much like a provocation. It is not clear whether the information was passed on or someone hid it.
                        ---
                        Who would explain whether there is at least some benefit from finding the Chechen Republic as part of Russia?

                        "The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, has been included in the sanctions list for his involvement in human rights violations in the republic," US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement.
                        The sanctions also cover the wife of Ramzan Kadyrov, Medni Kadyrov and his daughters - Aishat and Karina (aka Khadizhat) Kadyrov, the State Department said in a statement. "
                        Who are our governors still under sanctions?
                        Why would it suddenly?
                        ---
                        The geldings really want to swing Russia along the line: the Caucasus against Russia and Islam against Russia. Well, the problem they have is that the peoples of the Caucasus are not particularly shaken without Chechnya. And the Islamic factor (including the Caucasus and Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, etc.), too, cannot be shaken without Chechnya. And Kadyrov does not allow Chechnya to be rocked. And the "glorification of abrechestvo" from the same opera - to shake Chechnya, and through this, and all the other problems identified above.
                        Yes, the same war in Syria, its success not least of all depends on intelligence data.
                        Crimea was quietly taken, many different forces were used to calm down the Crimean Tatars.
                      13. -1
                        7 December 2021 17: 41
                        Quote: flicker
                        Well, this is how Russia builds its policy in relation to the peoples inhabiting it.

                        Yeah ... As I already wrote: the fewer Russians in the region, the more subsidies ... Awesome policy ... "reliable as a Swiss watch" (c)
                        Quote: flicker
                        Who are our governors still under sanctions?

                        Who among our governors has a personal army and allows himself to make statements that do not correspond to his position? Just think - sanctions. The price of royal life at home is low.
                        Quote: flicker
                        The geldings really want to swing Russia along the line: the Caucasus against Russia and Islam against Russia.

                        It's all swinging without geldings. With the connivance of the Russian authorities themselves.
                      14. 0
                        8 December 2021 13: 28
                        It's all swinging without geldings. With the connivance of the Russian authorities themselves.
                        Agree. Only there (in power) something seems to be happening and the point of no return has already been passed, and this inspires hope.
                  2. 0
                    3 December 2021 12: 43
                    How do you assess the consequences?
                    Do Russian laws work there, for example?
                    1. -1
                      3 December 2021 14: 40
                      How do you assess the consequences?
                      Better than before.

                      Do Russian laws work there, for example?

                      They work not much worse than in other regions of Russia.
                      Where have you seen officials who would not break Russian laws?
                      1. 0
                        3 December 2021 15: 31
                        1. A good approach is to compare with before. Especially if the war went "before" in general, conveniently ..
                        But, as it were, to imply that it is better than just "well, at least not a war", this is so-so success, a breakthrough.
                        2. Do not pretend that you do not understand that this is not about "violation of laws by officials, as elsewhere."
              3. 0
                4 December 2021 08: 39
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                Chechens have a different psychology. Dannikov is robbed there, not embarrassed by contempt.

                Aha !!! They go out one-on-one and rob ... As soon as Russia ceases to allocate 100 rubles to Chechnya in the form of gratuitous receipts, we will immediately learn about tributaries, Danians and those who are impatient to fight FOR ... Chechnya in general? For independence? Why did she agree so sharply to addiction? I'll tell you. Brave warriors preferred Chechnya without Russians and Moscow streets to those numerous toilets where they would be soaked with or without ...
          2. +1
            3 December 2021 15: 44
            “Here you need to delve into local realities for a long time in order to understand something. And it’s easy to talk about“ Putin bought off ”, having never been familiar with local specifics.
            The East is a delicate matter, and Putin is respected in Chechnya. "

            1. Local specifics should be of little concern to the winner; as a rule, it is he who sets the specifics, if, of course, he is the winner.
            2. The fact that he is respected is, of course, probably important, but in general the country as a whole should be interested in the presence of respect for the country, the people in general, and not just one
        2. AUL
          +16
          2 December 2021 00: 50
          Quote: Crowe
          And the question
          Under whose flag did they set out on the campaign?
          there is a place to be and you do not need to close your eyes to it.

          The author very professionally blabs the main question: How did it happen that there are military formations on the territory of the Russian Federation, which are controlled by someone other than the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? And from this question the author is trying his best to divert the discussion. It turns out that the guarantor has once again wiped himself out from the spitting of his faithful "infantryman"!
          1. +7
            2 December 2021 08: 11
            Quote from AUL
            How did it happen that there are military formations on the territory of the Russian Federation, which are controlled by someone other than the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

            These are signs of weakness in the central government. If this continues, then we will see the disintegration of the Russian Federation. You cannot have any territorial national formations in a multinational state.
            1. -3
              2 December 2021 13: 43
              Is it a secret that Russia is a federation? Isn't Putin often talking about this? This is a weaker form of power than, for example, in the Russian Empire. But alas, Comrade Lenin destroyed the Russian statehood ... So now we proceed from what we got. And definitely not to blame the current government for this! Rather communists with Lenin. Let us also remember Pushkin: "and our names will be written on the covers of autocracy." We wrote the names, but now we live in the federation
              1. +4
                2 December 2021 14: 36
                Quote: WertGan
                But alas, Comrade Lenin destroyed Russian statehood ...

                Would you like to read more ... The same Bolsheviks, with Lenin at their head, overthrew the Tsar?
                Quote: WertGan
                And definitely not to blame the current government for this!

                Who?
                Quote: WertGan
                Rather communists with Lenin.

                The communists never allowed anyone to have national armed formations. If you ask your father, he will tell you that even the urgent one was always served away from home.
                1. -1
                  3 December 2021 19: 22
                  Well, yes ... And whose words: "Russia is a prison of peoples"? Who made the federal structure of our country? Who introduced the concept of "nationality"? Who divided the peoples into national regions? Aren't they communists with Lenin? At the heart of the problem with the national question lay precisely Lenin's ideas ... which ran counter to our millennial statehood. Therefore, it is Ilyich who is the architect of the current state of affairs. What is at the heart of the current collapse in the minds of people? Why don't people want to live in a big homeland? Aren't they the ideas of internationalism, where all people are brothers and borders are not needed?
              2. +1
                3 December 2021 12: 45
                Suppose ...
                And then we sit and change nothing?
                Who should strengthen, put things in order?
                How long will we blame Lenin?
                1. -3
                  3 December 2021 19: 29
                  So we put it first in the minds of our colleagues. So far, judging by the number of people who voted for the Communist Party in the last elections, there is no order. And this means that the chances of normalizing the state of affairs in Russia are not great.
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2021 08: 46
                    Quote: WertGan
                    For now judging by the number of people who voted for the Communist Party in the last elections, there is no order.

                    You can only judge the methodology of counting the votes of the three-day voting with massive stuffing and rigging.
                    And further. Don't give us illusions. Show realities.
                    Usurpation or usurpation of power - the seizure of power by force, committed in violation of the law or misappropriation of power. Committed by one person or a group of persons.

                    Usurpation also includes elections held with gross violations and falsification of their results. A special case of usurpation is the abuse of power.
                    1. -1
                      4 December 2021 11: 51
                      Come on ... That is how many people voted for the Communist Party. There is no need to doubt it. And it is these people who refuse to realize that under the communists the country lost huge parts of its territory. They do not notice this, but on the other hand, they recall with nostalgia how well and secure they lived ... They would have lived further if they had defended their Motherland, and not dreamed of internationalism and a bright future.
                      1. 0
                        4 December 2021 12: 01
                        Quote: WertGan
                        They would continue to live if they defended the Motherland, and did not dream of internationalism and a bright future.

                        Many tragedies in life are the fault of traitors. It was they, with their double-dealing, who led the people of the USSR to non-interference in the coup d'etat and cultivated a disregard for their country. I will not even begin to explain to you the nuances of the "noble" capitalist idea. Let Chubais and Gref tell you ...
                      2. 0
                        5 December 2021 18: 18
                        Capitalism or socialism or some other model of the functioning of the economy ... it's just a model. You have now and before confused state building with various models of the economy. These are two different things. You are confusing these things because the communists pushed you into it. The communists lied roughly ... Almost everywhere and at every step. Therefore, the people brought up on this lie missed their homeland, selling it for another bright future - for a bright capitalist future. So Greece and Chubais have nothing to do with it ... Soviet people did everything themselves
          2. -1
            2 December 2021 10: 35
            The author very professionally blabs the main question
            How did you decide that this is the main question for the author? And it’s not about the question, but rather about the purpose of the article.
            But the goal raises questions. Do you want to add fuel to the fire?
            1. -5
              2 December 2021 13: 46
              Yes, he, this author, is an ordinary enemy of our statehood. There are many of them now
        3. +4
          2 December 2021 13: 11
          Yes, in the words of the author in the direction of Chechnya and Kadyrov, sycophancy is directly considered
      2. -2
        1 December 2021 21: 44
        For there - they respect strength and only strength.
        And what is the strength?
    2. -9
      1 December 2021 15: 30
      The opinion expressed in the article has a right to exist! Not so simple. The world is not black and white.
      1. -11
        1 December 2021 15: 49
        So far, events do not contradict the fact that the center does not control anything in any way. When there are excesses that the center will not be able to control, which in general is NOT EXCLUDED, then it will be ... let's see first, and then we will judge.
      2. +7
        2 December 2021 07: 44
        Quote: neri73-r
        The opinion expressed in the article has right to exist! Not so simple. The world is not black and white.

        It turns out that we live according to concepts, and not according to the law (Constitution)? Do you think this is correct?
        1. -2
          2 December 2021 17: 16
          Quote: Stas157
          It turns out that we live according to concepts, and not according to the law (Constitution)? Do you think this is correct?

          I don’t think this is correct. But, there are realities of life. For example, we want to be a completely sovereign state, but in fact we are not a completely sovereign state, we are still moving towards this by doing some work and using "windows of opportunity", it takes time. On the issue under discussion, everything is exactly the same for the laws to fully work in our country, it takes time and this is not one or two decades. Look at the USSR, it took deportation to correct some of the brains. At present, this is not possible, other tools are needed, and most importantly - time.
        2. +1
          3 December 2021 12: 47
          Yes, the author directly propagandizes and approves this.
          To hell with the law, "dirty deeds" they say are in trend for any reason and it should be so
    3. +4
      2 December 2021 12: 58
      Ramzan's thumb up is a gesture of the Wahhabis.
  2. +26
    1 December 2021 15: 22
    It seems that in Chechnya and other republics of the Caucasus, Sharia law has the highest power over the laws of the Russian Federation. Moreover, if the laws of the Russian Federation do not provide benefits to certain national leaders on the ground, then wild Sharia laws are subject to application.
    The Constitution of the Russian Federation, as it were, has devalued itself a long time ago. Including the fact that the GDP first guaranteed that the retirement age would not be raised - they did. Ensured that constitutional changes in terms of presidency are unchangeable, except through a referendum - changed by a fictitious poll.
    Since the guarantor himself has this attitude to the laws of his country, it means that in the Caucasus they consider it possible to treat them accordingly.
    If the laws in our country are executed only with public resonance or the importance of the accomplished act, and in all other respects it is possible not to comply - then the Caucasus is worse than bureaucrats on the ground in the rest of Russia.
    1. +13
      1 December 2021 15: 31
      Since the guarantor himself has this attitude to the laws of his country

      As it was said in the film by Rob Roy - honor cannot be taken away, it can only be lost. So it is with the word of the ruler - they deserve a reputation for years, but lose it in an hour. Your strength is your word. The belief of people in its reinforced concrete. As you said, it will be so. And only so. And how many people in our country do not trust Putin? What is his word worth after so many deceptions and scams? Never mind. Zero. Including from here - a lot of problems in the state. For no one trite trusts him anymore. Neither subjects, nor friends, nor enemies, which is probably the worst thing ..
      1. 0
        4 December 2021 22: 50
        Quote: paul3390
        And how many people in our country do not trust Putin? What is his word worth after so many deceptions and scams? Never mind. Zero. Including from here - a lot of problems in the state.

        Let's face it, a lot of problems in the country are not at all due to Putin's chatter. And because of the economic system.
  3. +11
    1 December 2021 15: 23
    What a mess then. Is there really no council for this horseman? In general, all these people should be removed from their posts .. And sent to work for the good of the country.
    1. 0
      1 December 2021 21: 08
      Will you go to head Chechnya? And most importantly! order, to direct there? I will vote for you.
      1. +7
        1 December 2021 23: 04
        Quote: ved_med12
        Will you go to head Chechnya? And most importantly! order, to direct there? I will vote for you.

        The siloviki in the Russian Federation, minus the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Federal Penitentiary Service, are about two and a quarter million. This is quite enough to assign a person in uniform to each living in Chechnya. Totally to everyone. From a child born a minute ago, to an old woman deeply over 100. And the rest is quite enough to be no worse than the "average in the world", and more than the "average in the rotten west."
        If someone doesn’t have enough of such an alignment to "put things in order" .... Well, I don’t even know ... Have such children at least grown up to plastic toy soldiers, or a sandbox and a scoop are their intellectual maximum.
        1. -1
          2 December 2021 20: 14
          The siloviki in the Russian Federation, minus the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Federal Penitentiary Service, are about two and a quarter million. This is quite enough to assign a person in uniform to each living in Chechnya. Totally to everyone.
          good drinks Yeah, a Chechen to the left - a silovik to the left, a Chechen to the right - a silovik to the right, etc. etc. wassat
          Do you know who gets the most out of this?
          Security officials! wassat
      2. +1
        2 December 2021 10: 36
        Quote: ved_med12
        Will you go to head Chechnya? And most importantly! order, put in there? I will vote for you.

        ===
        yes there is no big difference where. the main thing is to direct, there are laws.
  4. +24
    1 December 2021 15: 33
    Educational program is somehow incomprehensible. That is, you, the author, think that the Ingush are villains, and the Chechens are the best Russians. This is still Putin-Kadyrov. One has only to replace the last name and your entire educational program will fall apart.
    And if Aushev is such a "villain", then why was he returned to the army, to a high position?
    1. 0
      1 December 2021 15: 49
      Quote: Gardamir
      And if Aushev is such a "villain", then why was he returned to the army, to a high position?

      Can be more? When did they return and to what position?
      1. +8
        1 December 2021 18: 35
        Probably, Evkurov meant ...
        1. +4
          2 December 2021 08: 52
          Yes. Both mustachioed, both heads of Ingushetia, unfortunately made a mistake.
          1. +1
            2 December 2021 19: 43
            By the way, Yevkurov was born in the village of Tarskoye, North Ossetia-A, the regional center of the Prigorodny region, which became, in fact, the apotheosis of the Ossetian-Ingush conflict.
    2. +29
      1 December 2021 15: 51
      A very serious mistake was made - the creation of mono-ethnic units as part of the Ministry of Defense and the National Guard, I generally keep quiet about the local Ministry of Internal Affairs. And the special forces center in Chechnya! Instead of means of production (light industry, agricultural production) for the employment of young people, a conveyor stream was created there for the production of fighters (childhood in sports clubs on tatami and a punching bag, service in the Armed Forces or the National Guard among the same fellow countrymen). Then arriving in Russian cities where do they find their use? Obviously not at the machine or at construction sites.
      And not Aushev was returned to the army, but Yevkurov, an authoritative commander and general in the Russian army.
      1. +5
        2 December 2021 01: 04
        Quote: Silver bullet
        A very serious mistake was made - the creation of mono-ethnic units as part of the Ministry of Defense and the National Guard, I am generally silent about the local Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        .....
        And not Aushev was returned to the army, but Yevkurov, an authoritative commander and general in the Russian army.

        I agree with you. Yes I want to add that since the beginning of the 90s, a generation has grown up there that considers any work not related to weapons or in the government as unworthy for a local native. Our peers (Chechens) from the first Chechen period and the second one are now "working" in local executive (power structures) and legislative authorities (at the federal level).
        It's a shame that 101 OSBRON became the Chechen 46th. I hope they do not have a separate reconnaissance battalion.
        My opinion, the authority of Putin V.V. in Chechnya and Ingushetia, it is "supported" only through the local leadership and their teips. Another will come, his teip will stand behind him, decides to remove the banners with the President of the Russian Federation and Russian symbols, the federal authority will drop to zero.
        Their traditions are such that who did not take revenge is a weakling. The weak in their mind should be subordinate to the strong and serve him. By the way, in the period of the USSR, if the Ingush and Chechens served, then conscientiously. R. Aushev is also a hero of the Soviet Union.
        I believe that since 2000, it was necessary for ten years to check all persons (at least males) for participation in illegal armed groups or assistance to them. Only those who have passed the test are accepted into law enforcement agencies, with the obligatory passage of service in other regions of the Russian Federation.
        Regarding the territorial dispute between the Ingush and Chechen republics - once the Vainakh peoples, unite them.
        1. +1
          3 December 2021 12: 53
          "I think that since 2000 it was necessary for ten years to check all persons (at least males) for participation in illegal armed groups or assistance to them. Only those who have passed the check should be accepted into law enforcement agencies."

          So, after all, they did it, everyone who was the "former" and picked it up!
          1. 0
            3 December 2021 15: 43
            They did not do that, while he served as a conscript there from '99, they were recruited into the "East" and "West" battalions, at the base of the Airborne Forces. They reminded of the Makhnovists, with weapons of various sizes, in velvet berets, with green cockades.
            There was no check as such, as they write on Radio Liberty or the Kavkaz Internet resource.
            1. 0
              3 December 2021 15: 46
              That was just the check.
              The selection criterion is only slightly different, quite a bit ...
              1. 0
                3 December 2021 15: 55
                Quote: Revival
                That was just the check.
                The selection criterion is only slightly different, quite a bit ...

                Which? In filtration camps? Formal ... They went to serve because they paid, but already the feds. Money is the main thing for a Mujahid. In Vedeno, in late spring and early summer, there were shootings every night. The riot police were freaking out from the joint service with the militia. We stood at a platoon support point in the direction of Dagestan, carried out engineering reconnaissance of the road every day.
                1. 0
                  3 December 2021 16: 12
                  “The fact that Kadyrov’s right-hand man, Speaker of the Chechen parliament Magomed Daudov, had appointed a“ shooter ”to representatives of the Council of Teips of Ingushetia, was especially nerve-wracking.
                  This former militant, and now - an authoritative deputy. "

                  The article itself contains information that initially turns your question about the need for verification, in the form in which you mean, either rhetorical or naive.

                  "Which?".
                  Exactly this ...
                  I also say there was a check, only the selection criterion "a little bit" is different
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2021 16: 27
                    I ask, what kind of check was carried out? After compulsory military service, in 2003, he returned there already o / authorized. An amnesty was announced, who allegedly had no blood, was not convicted of participating in acts of terrorism on the territory of the Russian Federation or in the Chechen Republic could be admitted to the local power structures. The result is the same, neither the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation trusted such "new employees", there were a lot of frauds. For them, the main thing was money.
                    Magomed Daudov - who is this? During my military service in the intelligence battalion, I have not heard of him. After also ...
                    Now I know who he is. There are more heroes of Russia than from Russia itself during the first and second Chechen wars.
                    1. +1
                      3 December 2021 17: 38
                      "I ask, what kind of check was carried out?"

                      You apparently sincerely do not understand the meaning of what I have written.
                      We have no contradictions!
                      1. 0
                        3 December 2021 18: 12
                        Yes Yes, I realized that there are no contradictions. We are writing about the same thing, memories, emotions, met with friends ... Yes
                        Regarding verification, politics, damn it.
      2. 0
        4 December 2021 22: 55
        Quote: Silver bullet
        Instead of means of production (light industry, agricultural production) for the employment of young people

        And where are things with us in general, if not good, then at least bearable? It's only on all sorts of propaganda sites like doneunas that the industry flourishes and spikes. But in fact, barely a soul in a body.
    3. +35
      1 December 2021 15: 54
      I, too, did not understand that it was now ... Some kind of ode to "Putin's glorious infantrymen" .. These "loyal friends of Russia" will bring us more problems, as they say "with such friends and enemies, there is no need." I kiss the army money for itself, which does not openly recognize the Russian flag, instead of "hello, comrades" they have "allah akbar", and we sang a whole song to them in glory now.
    4. +13
      1 December 2021 23: 05
      Quote: Gardamir
      That is, you, the author, think that the Ingush are villains, and the Chechens are the best Russians.

      In general, the Ingush were more friendly with Russia, in contrast to the Chechens. Only under Kadyrov Chechnya allegedly became "friendly". Until the first serious nix ...
      And the author also forgot that the Dagestanis defended the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation in 99 against Basayev and Khattab.
      One gets the feeling that the author is rearranging everything upside down.
  5. +15
    1 December 2021 15: 49
    Ingushetia and Dagestan are a completely different matter. There is no trace of any compliment to the central government. Thousands of Ingush and Dagestanis fought on the side of the militants during both Chechen campaigns.
    I don’t understand, the author proposes to join Ingushetia to Chechnya, and Dagestan to Ossetia ?! Some kind of provocative article
    1. +20
      1 December 2021 18: 15
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      I don’t understand, the author proposes to join Ingushetia to Chechnya, and Dagestan to Ossetia ?!

      No. Just develop the 90s experience creatively. Officially legalize gangster arrows as a method of government. Well, the governors of Ryazan and Vladimir met there, with armor, art and helicopters, but peacefully rubbed everything. Well, or not peacefully, but having arranged a second prokhorovka. Then how it rolls.
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Some kind of provocative article

      Normal. Not once or ten. Russian society is thoroughly criminalized. From the point of view of the gopnik from the district, even if the former, but imbued with "concepts" once and for all, it is quite sensible reasoning.
  6. +16
    1 December 2021 15: 50
    The article is ordered. With strange logic. If Ingushetia has a bad attitude towards Russia, then part of its territory should be taken away from it and given to someone who earlier not only treated Russia badly, but also fought with it. Strange, isn't it? Disputed territory, you say? Well then, this is Russia. Only in this way, and not otherwise. In this situation, Chechnya will calm down, and the Ingush have nowhere to go. Dissatisfied against the wall, at least from one side, at least from the other.
  7. +17
    1 December 2021 15: 51
    In jurisprudence, there is such a concept, for a certain category of citizens, the law is not written. That the author made it clear in his article. Some are more equal than others. Can it be written into the Constitution as well? And it turns out that she is some kind of crafty or from the crafty one? And that Armenia was at war with Russia, and Ingushetia is going? By the way, within the territory of Russia, territories cannot be contested, otherwise the country will fall apart.
  8. +29
    1 December 2021 15: 53
    There are regions with a complimentary attitude towards the Russian authorities and towards Russia in general.

    The leaders of this "positive list" are Chechnya and Ossetia

    I read it three times, not believing my eyes, but then it dawned on me that the author really considers Chechnya "a region with a complementary attitude to the Russian government." As if there were no separatism blazing for decades, two Chechen wars, as if local Russians did not fly from there in the 90s like a champagne cork. Let's call things by their proper names - this is a region that is culturally, religiously and aesthetically alien to us. And we are as alien to them as they are to us. And in this direction, nothing is changing and will not change - the stories of the last two hundred years kakbe hint at the inviolability of this alignment. We need this region and we have clung to it like a crab, contrary to our own economic benefits, in spite of regular spitting in the direction of our rules. At times they "tolerate" us, at times they do not - in difficult times for the country it will hardly be a stable column. It is worth such a step - and all this "complementarity" will melt like morning fog.
  9. +27
    1 December 2021 15: 57
    Not an article, but some kind of somnambulistic delirium, not overslept novice blogger, during the spermotoxic period. There are many words, but there is no answer to the main question - WHAT THE FUCK IS TWO SUBJECTS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION CARRYING OUT TERRITORIAL ISSUES (?).
    Do we now have federal laws working with an eye on the mentality and some past merits of individuals? Or maybe the central government does not work for us anymore, I’m going out of my way, shoigus, my republics of Siberia, and other joys of the final collapse of the country? As for me, such disassembly draws precisely on such questions. But there is not a word about this in the article.
    1. 0
      3 December 2021 15: 54
      "Do we now have federal laws working with an eye on the mentality and some past merits of individuals?"

      Was the question rhetorical?
      After the formulation of the constitutional court about one very well-known phenomenon in the spirit of "the formal meaning of the article is, of course, this, but we must take into account and what time we live .... therefore it no longer contradicts ..".
      1. 0
        4 December 2021 02: 16
        Quote: Revival

        Was the question rhetorical?

        Honestly, I didn't fucking understand what they wanted.

        The meaning of all my messages is one thing.
        There are two worlds. One is the beloved one. The second, in denying oneself, as such, for the sake of Rod.
        I'm not interested in asking you who you belong to. I don't give a fuck, this whole internet. Yes, and you, in the same basket.
  10. +15
    1 December 2021 15: 59
    An incomprehensible article ... everything is mixed in one heap ... Ossetians, Chechens,
    Ingush and Dagestanis ... who with whom and for whom what... still need to understand the reasons for the local showdown.
    The author clearly favors the Chechens ... but they just recently showed themselves ugly in the story of the maroon berets ... so it is impossible to draw any serious conclusions from the article.
  11. +12
    1 December 2021 16: 19
    These borders have a historical status. And nobody is allowed to reshape them. The integrity of these borders must be protected by the power structures of the Federation. This card is RF device. And that means that no redemarcation of borders is possible inside.
  12. +18
    1 December 2021 16: 41
    From those places to Dagestan under 80 km (further than to Grozny). And then, Google with ... Yandex !!! already show this and one more disputed area nearby related to the Czech Republic. So the question has already been settled "at the top." An article from a parallel universe. At this rate, the "academician" will soon declare the Stavropol Territory its "primordial" one.
  13. +26
    1 December 2021 16: 54
    Russia in various parts of the world. And they proved it by deed - both in Donbass and in Syria.

    Yeah, they defend the interests of Russia so much that even the flags of the Russian Federation in their princely (Sultan's) troops do not hang out, but hang out their local ones, and they kiss the zapadlo berets. All these guys will turn 180 as soon as the days from the center end and all this rich military experience will turn out to be very dear to us. hi
  14. +16
    1 December 2021 16: 55
    Ingushetia and Dagestan are a completely different matter. There is no trace of any compliment to the central government.

    In business! belay The author, what is this then?
    Quote: Federal Law of August 2, 2019 N 320-FZ "On Amendments to Articles 3 and 4 of the Federal Law" On Veterans ""
    The federal law provides for the classification of persons who, in accordance with the decisions of the executive authorities of the Republic of Dagestan, took part in hostilities as part of self-defense units of the Republic of Dagestan from August to September 1999 during counterterrorist operations on the territory of the Republic of Dagestan, to the veterans of hostilities ... .....

    And now how to understand this fact?
    United Russia won the elections to the People's Assembly of Dagestan, gaining 73,74 percent of the vote

    https://ria.ru/20210920/dagestan-1750967004.html
    United Russia wins the elections to the State Duma in Ingushetia with 85,18%

    https://ria.ru/20210920/vybory-1750931764.html
  15. +11
    1 December 2021 17: 24
    Well, let the Russians fight the Russians wink for Russian lands. Author, you are not sent for an hour? Only a "zaslanets" can divide the peoples of Russia into pure and not pure. wink
  16. -5
    1 December 2021 18: 13
    An interesting point of view on the problem.
  17. +15
    1 December 2021 18: 23
    The vector of the article is not clear - against Ingushetia, in support of the actions of the Chechen leadership, or an attempt to explain the reasons? Since the 60s, the Prigorodny District has been a part of the North Ossetia-A, on the Yeltsin wave the Ingush tried to chop it back. Can't the inhabitants of these territories simply live in the legal field? Does the author support the use of force to resolve all issues? On what basis do the military personnel of the federal structure participate in this? And the link "war with Russia / Armenia / Nagorno-Karabakh" is not clear at all - which of them is at war with Russia?
    1. AUL
      +7
      2 December 2021 01: 35
      Quote: Azis
      The vector of the article is not clear - against Ingushetia, in support of the actions of the Chechen leadership, or an attempt to explain the reasons?

      Well, what they ordered was written. Is the first article like that?
  18. +18
    1 December 2021 20: 48
    After the invasion of Chechen militants into Dagestan, one of the leaders of the unrecognized republic, Akhmat Kadyrov, also demonstrated to the whole world “the art of the possible”, deliberately refusing to cooperate with the terrorists who flooded the country and sided with the federal troops. His son Ramzan followed the same path after the murder of his father.
    I doubt that he demonstrated some kind of art. From time immemorial, the highlanders were on their own minds. It is worth reading "Hadji Murad" to understand their mentality. He repeatedly betrayed, now Shamil, now Prince Vorontsov, and finally he was hacked to death, either the Cossacks or the mountaineers themselves. Nobody in the world depicts a wolf on the flag of the country, and in Ichkeria he there is.
    This is their whole point. What has now been created in Chechnya will come back to haunt Russia more than once. No matter how they talk about the deportation of the highlanders of the North Caucasus, but Comrade. Stalin understood the mentality of the mountaineers better, because he himself was from there, and knew firsthand all the local cuisine, their customs and customs. And Beria was from there. So they knew how to calm down the mountaineers. Working in a taxi, and communicating with the mountaineers, convinced me that they only understand power, admonitions, etc. like weakness. While he is alone, and from the conversation he feels your strength and self-confidence, he will behave respectfully, but you should not delude yourself, as soon as fellow countrymen appear on the horizon, everything can change dramatically. If someone thinks that I spoke harshly, let them talk to the men who went through the Chechen wars, their judgments will be even harsher. They know what they are talking about.
  19. +8
    1 December 2021 21: 20
    I would like to ask: what did you want after all this, gentlemen?
    For Russia to turn its back on its loyal infantryman and give up disputed territories to a potentially hostile population?
    The modern law of geopolitics, deduced by political scientist Alexander Dugin, reads: "Whoever dares to fight with Russia will pay for it with his territory." This payment has already been paid in full by Georgia, having lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Recently - Armenia, having parted with most of Karabakh.
    Ingushetia also lost the Prigorodny District at one time. But it seems that neither the local elite, nor the local population, nor the local elders understood and learned nothing. And no conclusions were drawn. Therefore, the land in the area of ​​the Fortanga River is not the last loss in the history of the modern "small but proud republic" of Ingushetia. They still have a lot to lose. Much to our regret.

    Fucking logic ...
  20. +8
    2 December 2021 06: 18
    There is only one conclusion: the author is completely incompetent in matters of the Caucasus. If Dagestan can be found on the map, then it's already good)
  21. +2
    2 December 2021 09: 29
    Either we still have a state, or we no longer have it. All this "educational program" is a pathetic attempt to disguise the fact of the helplessness of the state power. Caucasus "difficult region". Yeah. We don't have any simple ones. And on the whole planet there are no simple regions, even where people do not live, there is a tangle of mutual claims and contradictions.
    Either the central government controls the country or not. If in the very near future there is no "simplification" of the region to a simple observance of the laws of the country, then there will be no country either. In a matter of years.
  22. +1
    2 December 2021 11: 59
    How did this leadership of North Ossetia provide its territory to the troops in the Mozdok area? Nobody asked them. Russian troops are moving through the territory of Russia, wherever, however, and whenever you want.
  23. 0
    2 December 2021 13: 30
    To eliminate this conflict, it is necessary to unite these territories into one and call this entity in a completely new way, appoint leadership from completely different nationalities.
  24. 0
    3 December 2021 13: 05
    Such a twisted, hypocritical statement of the next "breakthrough", "breakthrough" is still to be looked for ...
  25. +1
    5 December 2021 11: 15
    In Dagestan, Wahhabism still blooms and smells lush.

    About the lush color. In 1999, during the invasion of the Wahhabis in Dagestan, the local population strongly supported our small troops, Prime Minister Putin then wanted to arrange negotiations with the Chechens, but the locals blocked the roads along which the parliamentarians were traveling. They wanted to arrange everything in Chernomyrdin's way, but it did not work out, they had to do a military operation. And VVP then with surprise declared about the local Dagestanis and our troops: well, just like on the Soviet poster - "The people and the army are united"!