Completion of the Ukrainian corvette "Vladimir the Great" can be with the help of Britain: some details of the agreement

An agreement was previously concluded between London and Kiev, providing for strengthening the combat potential of the Ukrainian fleet... It was believed that it concerns primarily the supply of British-type missile boats, but now new details of the agreements have begun to be clarified.

As reported in the western edition of Navy Recognition, in particular, we are talking about the completion of the project 58250 corvette "Vladimir the Great" by joint forces. This class was developed in 2008, the construction started in 2011 with the planned launch in 2012. It was expected that a total of 10 ships of this project would leave the stocks. In 2018, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy said that there were no funds to continue building the ship. Now there are new details of the possible implementation of the project - with possible British participation.

According to the new plans, the Vladimir Veliky corvette will be armed with one 76/62 OTO Melara cannon, one Oerlikon Millennium dual 35-mm melee system, two launchers equipped with four Neptune anti-ship missiles (Ukrainian subsonic anti-ship missiles) each, sixteen launchers for the Dnepr anti-aircraft missile and two MU90 torpedoes.

Apparently, we are talking about preliminary agreements, within the framework of which assistance from Britain in completing the ship is declared as possible. The use of the term "completion" is also conditional - in fact, now the "corvette" consists of disparate metal structures located in the factory workshops. When the ship will be assembled, it is still a question, not to mention when weapons will be placed on it, including from British "partners".

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[Flooding]

as reported by VO in August of this year.

According to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, today the readiness of "Vladimir the Great" is 17%. On the territory of the former "Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant" there are blocks 1-7 of the main hull of the ship and block 8 of the ship's superstructure.

small business

[tralflot1832]

Yes, the matter is small, to change the name to "Vladimir the Great", you need to add five more letters. And the matter will go.

[Flooding]

Quote: tralflot1832

five more letters must be added to "Vladimir the Great"

front A YAK SAME

[fruc]

Perhaps after writing their construction will go in afterburner mode.

[knn54]

.10 years (third president and "eleventh defense minister) Plus $ 71 million" unknown. "

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, the matter is small - to find a new plant, which will complete the construction and money to finance the work. And so, almost everything is already ready)))

[fruc]

I think it makes no sense for the Britons to invest in Ukraine, in particular ships. An unstable and unpredictable regime with multibillion-dollar debt. And they can call their ships into Ukrainian ports anyway, plus the construction of training centers (bases) that they can visit on the coast.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Flood

small business

Well, yes, all that's left is to start and finish!

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

small business

Yes, yes, only 83% of production is behind

[Anachoret]

Quote: Flood

as reported by VO in August of this year.

According to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, today the readiness of "Vladimir the Great" is 17%. On the territory of the former "Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant" there are blocks 1-7 of the main hull of the ship and block 8 of the ship's superstructure.

small business

Meanwhile, the "fellow" gives his clown press conferences instead of real cases))

[Alien From]

"" construction started in 2011 with the planned launch in 2012. "" how do you like this speed )

[Alien From]

In general, of course, "" Lavrov's phrase "

[Woodman]

We are talking about the completion of the project 58250 corvette "Vladimir the Great" by joint forces.

Why did they decide to name the corvette in honor of Putin?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do you associate Vladimir the Great with the current leader?
And even HIM - with the prince.
He was definitely great. Not like the current ones.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

He was definitely great

What is it? That he killed his brother?

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Not like the current ones.

Well, yes ... the present, before his bloodlust, still grow and grow

[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, the baptism of Russia (only this!) Minting coins, creating church statutes, large-scale construction of stone cities and other is it, a trifle compared to what you listed?
It turns out in vain they erected monuments to him, painted on stamps and money, and ranked him among the saints ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That is, the baptism of Russia (only this!) Minting coins, creating church statutes, large-scale construction of stone cities and other is it, a trifle compared to what you listed?

But his great-great-grandson Ivan-IV did little for the greatness of his country? But they do not erect monuments to him, even on the monument to the 1000th anniversary of Rus' there was no place for him ... for the Lithuanian princes, yes, but he does not ... only because he was in conflict with the ROC on the issue of power. But to Vladimir, who was never a "meek sheep", neither a pagan nor a Christian and shed blood without any remorse, so yes ... he is the one who, let's call things by their proper names, PLANTED Christianity on the lands subject to him, and WITH FIRE and with the SWORD, he is a HOLY. And in what way is he better or worse than Grozny?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Excuse me, do you live in Russia?
If not, then I would like to inform you that over the past five years, monuments to Ivan the Terrible have been erected in Orel, Moscow (later moved to Aleksandrov), and Cheboksary.
The series of the same name was filmed with Makovetsky in the title role.
So no one belittles the historical significance.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Excuse me, do you live in Russia?

In Russia...

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If not, then I would like to inform you that over the past five years, monuments to Ivan the Terrible have been erected in Orel, Moscow (later moved to Aleksandrov), and Cheboksary.

Well done, only with the Moscow sequence was the opposite from Alexandrov to Moscow, to the alley of the rulers of Russia, ... but you did not list all the monuments

In Kansk, Krasnoyarsk Territory, artist Vladislav Gultyaev erected a monument to Ivan the Terrible in the form of a stake, thus expressing his protest. “You shouldn't erect monuments to people who used targeted terror against their own people. Well, I also wanted to remind you that the times when people were tortured, killed just like that, killed by order, are not so far away. Our grandfathers and women remember this perfectly, but we are their descendants. If we do not want to repeat the same mistakes, we must know about this and firmly believe that this is unacceptable, "says artist Vladislav Gultyaev

Are there many similar monuments to Vladimir, who also used terror against his own people? The image created by the ROC still dominates part of the population

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The series of the same name was filmed with Makovetsky in the title role.

And also the film "Tsar" by Pavel Lungin with Mamonov in the title role, where the Moscow tsar puts shoes on DIRTY feet and this in the morning, getting out of bed .... and generally a "murderer and bloodsucker", and a deceitful one ...

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

Well done

you will decide whether monuments to Ivan the Terrible are being erected or not
you deduced a whole theory based on the fact that there are no monuments

and then with enviable ease start in your judgments from the suddenly obvious fact that monuments to Grozny are being erected

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

you will decide whether monuments to Ivan the Terrible are being erected or not
you deduced a whole theory based on the fact that there are no monuments

I will perfectly clarify my position .. They are placed much less and with HUGE difficulty, they are often forced to refuse this, in contrast to the monuments to Prince Vladimir. Although Ivan IV made for the greatness of Russia more than Vladimir.
Will this point of view satisfy you?

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

Will this point of view satisfy you?

accurate presentation of thoughts without conscious or unconscious distortion of facts is always preferable to the opposite

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

accurate presentation of thoughts without conscious or unconscious distortion of facts is always preferable to the opposite

Somehow ornate ... but more specifically, you can?

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

Somehow ornate ... but more specifically, you can?

you have sinned against the truth
your accusation against the Russian Orthodox Church was based on this
when you were pointed out that your words were wrong, instead of admitting that you were wrong, you found new reasons for dissatisfaction

with an interlocutor who ignores any arguments and facts, if they do not fit into his logic, it is difficult to find a common language and build a dialogue

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

you have sinned against the truth
your accusation against the Russian Orthodox Church was based on this

Forgive me, but now the ROC does not have the power that it used to be and something is working out, but name me at least one monument to Ivan IV before the 90s of the 20th century? Please do me a favor

Quote: Flood

with an interlocutor who ignores any arguments and facts, if they do not fit into his logic, it is difficult to find a common language and build a dialogue

And how is this expressed in the dialogue with me?

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

name me at least one monument to Ivan IV before the 90s of the 20th century?

what does this have to prove?
the fact that one of the greatest Russian sovereigns was considered a controversial figure and was largely slandered?
yes, no one argues with that
how difficult it is to dispute the fact that now the role of Ivan the Terrible in the history of Russia is being rethought and finding a new assessment

Quote: svp67

And how is this expressed in the dialogue with me?

in the fact that you see the results of the reign of Vladimir the Great as insignificant
you are not interested in real facts since you are not sympathetic to this historical figure

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

how difficult it is to dispute the fact that now the role of Ivan the Terrible in the history of Russia is being rethought and finding a new assessment

I agree ...

Quote: Flood

in the fact that you see the results of the reign of Vladimir the Great as insignificant

But here I disagree ... They are NOT INSIGNIFICANT, they are LESS SIGNIFICANT than that of his great-grandson

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

they are LESS SIGNIFICANT than his great-grandson

so everyone needs to pay tribute

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

so everyone needs to pay tribute

Absolutely agree

Quote: Flood

you are not interested in real facts since you are not sympathetic to this historical figure

And what else besides the implantation of Orthodoxy in his credit? I do not evaluate historical figures from the standpoint of "sympathetic-not sympathetic", he lived in his time according to those laws. In his exaltation, it is more the merit of those to whom his deed turned out to be beneficial and who were then pressed by Ivan IV.

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

And what else, besides the implantation of Orthodoxy in his credit?

finding the answer to this question is not so difficult

[svp67]

Let's just say: "Not rich ..."
Especially about the Cherven cities ... To recapture these cities from the predecessors of the Czech nation, so that they would then, for many centuries, become Polish ... yeah

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

Let's just say: "Not rich ..."

10th century, the formation of Russia
and then you take offense at my words

Quote: Flood

with an interlocutor who ignores any arguments and facts, if they do not fit into his logic, it is difficult to find a common language and build a dialogue

your follow-up

Quote: svp67

To recapture these cities from the predecessors of the Czech nation, so that they later, for many centuries, would become Polish

talk about your bias and bias
have mercy, what is Vladimir's fault?
is it his fault that later his conquests could not hold?
it's somehow strange to ask about such obvious things

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

have mercy, what is Vladimir's fault?

No, it’s not his fault. There is guilt in fratricide, for the sake of power ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

That is, the baptism of Russia

... eyewitnesses of the baptism of Rus tell that this bloody baptism was. a lot of people disappeared ... and that's interesting ... why Vovka the Great paid tribute to the Chingizites-Busurmans ... but Dimka Donskoy Busurman put cancer ... well, practice wit

[svp67]

Forgive me, but you do not know the story well ... What "Vovka the Great" paid tribute to the Chingizites-Basurmans? At the expense of your friend Dimka from the Donskoy, he put the impostor Mamai in an uncomfortable position, but Chingizit Tokhtamysh came and already put your friend in an uncomfortable position and burned him down, while taking ALL the tribute

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Sorry, but you don't know the story well ..

... no, I don't know the story badly ... but you, Seryozha, missed the trocha ... Tokhtamysh did not ripen for the Battle of Kulikovo ... do you see Mamayka's end. Well, in general, Tokhta died in 1400, and what has to do with being on the run .. because Toha betrayed the golden horde by submitting to Tamerlane

[svp67]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Tokhtamysh was not in time for the Battle of Kulikovo

And why did he have to get there? There, the Grand Duke of Moscow Dmitry, was completely his ally and repulsed his enemy ...

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

well, in general, Tokhta died in 1400

But before that, he managed to remind Russia who is the Boss here ...

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

what has to do with being on the run .. because toha betrayed the golden horde by submitting to Tamerlane

Well, they had their own showdowns there ... which touched us sideways.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Well, they had their own showdowns there ... which touched us sideways.

... yes, but only four busurmans died by their own death ... Chingiz, Batu. Jochi and the actual busurman Timur, and the rest ... well, you understand

[Flooding]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

why Vovka the Great paid tribute to the Chingizites-Busurmans

Mongol-Tatars came to Russia almost two centuries after the death of Vladimir Krasnoe Solnyshko

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

Mongol-Tatars came to Russia almost two centuries after the death of Vladimir Krasnoe Solnyshko

And here is the question. Prince Igor of Kiev was killed by his tributaries, the Drevlyans, out of a desire to collect the "TATAR tribute" again in one year. And this is half a century before the birth of Vladimir, how is it?

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

Prince Igor of Kiev was killed by his tributaries, the Drevlyans, out of a desire to collect the "TATAR tribute" again in one year.

without reference to the source, how can I guess what you are talking about?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

almost two centuries after the death of Vladimir Krasnoe Solnyshko

... but don't kick it ... Seryoga just beguiled Prince Vladimir by Prince Vladimir Dmitry Donskoy

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Mongol-Tatars came to Russia almost two centuries after the death of Vladimir

... oops novodlom .... and who were the Pechenegs ??? who shamelessly plundered Kievan Rus regularly ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

. and who were the Pechenegs ??? who shamelessly robbed Kievan Rus regularly

it is known for certain that not Chingizids

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it is known for certain that not Chingizids

... then who were the Pechenegs ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

then who were the Pechenegs ..

Genghisids - descendants of Genghis Khan

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Genghisids - descendants of Genghis Khan

... but that's not true ... the Polovtsians were Tatars ... then the Khazars ... somewhat much opposed to the Mongols ... and to be more specific there were Nokhchi ... that's the truth. new mod ... by the way, my mother was a Khazar. and your father is from the Bryansk region ... learn history and you will be happy

[Flooding]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

that's not true ... the Polovtsians were Tatars

what is not true?
I wrote to you that the Genghisids are the descendants of Genghis Khan
Draw your own conclusions
after all, you stated above

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Vovka the Great paid tribute to the Chingizites-Busurmans

that does not fit into any gate
because between Genghis Khan and Vladimir Red Sun two centuries

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

learn history and you will be happy

it's funny to read this parting word from you
you managed to mess up so much in several comments
and dismiss me from your familiarity

[Crimean partisan 1974]

. on this we will complete

[Rakovor]

What are these stone cities in the 11th century, I'm embarrassed to ask? You are our homebrew historian.))

[poquello]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Do you associate Vladimir the Great with the current leader?
And even HIM - with the prince.
He was definitely great. Not like the current ones.

why he got it))))))))))), Prince of Novgorod, Grand Duke of Kiev

[Woodman]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And even HIM - with the prince.

And the prince did not have a "great" prefix, but a "red sun". It's a shame not to know.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And the prince did not have a "great" prefix, but a "red sun".

...... yeah uh
then when the rivers filled with blood

[Ros 56]

A credible question, if I were Putin, I would give you an award, it's a pity he won't read it.

[Woodman]

Quote: Ros 56

If I were Putin, I would give you an award, it's a pity he won't read it.

If this happened and it became known about it, then, I'm afraid, the entire local opposition would sharply turn into supporters of Putin and it would become extremely boring here ...

[vkfriendly]

That would be unsinkable and eternal.

[Reserve buildbat]

For them, Putin is king and god. If you look at how often his name is mentioned in horse racing and in Russia, it turns out that they constantly talk about him there.

[evgen1221]

Well, apparently, according to the standard, the ukrov will once again be bred. We make a publication about the next contracts with the interview (of course, free) of the next ex, we rush with it like a bag, we regulate an office abroad and under that desk again we run with a bag (like they are ready to give money only) and as soon as we immediately dissolve into the sunset of the Florida or Caribbean sun.

[Thrifty]

Yes, they have plans there, one snag is financial, they don't have these finances at all, or almost completely! °

[donavi49]

There are 1,7 billion pounds of money that have been borrowed.

Ukraine and Great Britain signed a loan agreement to support the Ukrainian fleet in the amount of 1,7 billion pounds sterling... This was reported by the Office of the President following a meeting between Volodymyr Zelensky and British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace.

[rocket757]

Completion of the Ukrainian corvette "Vladimir the Great" can be with the help of Britain: some details of the agreement

... As an expert on that side of Kuev said, they are so cunning that they manage to steal TWO from a lem / lard of help!
So sho Britons, get ready to help like three corvettes or one cruiser !!! can one frigate and slap.

[TermNachTer]

With what fright will the Anglo-Saxons help Banderasts raise their shipbuilding? It is much more profitable to sell them your old stuff - the problem of disposal is being solved, and besides, money is earned on this - a double benefit.

[rocket757]

Probably, the word "help" should be put in quotation marks right away! The task will not do anything, they will take it with interest .... the last trousers or skin, from the people, the locals themselves will rip off and find they will return, with interest, the EU with but!

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

So sho Britons, get ready to help like three corvettes or one cruiser !!! can one frigate and slap.

And he can only be at the wall ...

[rocket757]

Smartly speaking, they have there, competencies and other, highly qualified, lost for a long time. Without restoring it, the "Titanic" will turn out to sail no further than the dock doors ...

[cniza]

I'm afraid that even the chavn will no longer be able to cook it up ...

[rocket757]

Let the brazen have a headache ...

[Glagol1]

Even the Martians won't help them now. Ukroverfam kirdyk has already come.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Sure?
Go to the Nibulon website.
Read, look and be surprised.

[Ros 56]

If you read what they write on the fences, you would be even more surprised.

[The leader of the Redskins]

To deny the obvious is the lot of armored stubborn people. There is also an official website, photos of finished ships, a register, and so on.
But if you use information exclusively from board media, then what are you doing on the Internet?

[Ros 56]

I am surprised that you are really an armored stubborn stubborn, since you draw conclusions from one phrase. Well, to each his own, you probably were not there when God handed out brains to people, which is a pity.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, what was your previous post about? I posted the facts. You climbed in with the fence. Do you have something to say on the topic or will you continue to read and write on picket fence?

[Ros 56]

And to the fact that the shallow ones after the story with the Skripals dropped below the city sewer, I generally keep quiet about the Ukronatsiks. Trust them, not respect yourself.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Back to basics ...
I named to the opponent the company, the successor of the Nikolaev plant "Liman", which has been building tugs, barges, floating cranes and other vessels since 2013. There is a website, statistics and so on.
Then you appear with a fence.
When asked what the speech is about, you start rubbing in about the British.
Sorry, how many parallel realities are you in at the same time?
Please spend its logical chain from the Nibulon plant to the Skripals

[Ros 56]

Briefly for the beginning: LLC agricultural enterprise "NIBULON"

Industry Agriculture, shipbuilding
Products Grain, corn, sunflower, rapeseed, etc.
As for shipbuilding, this is a civilian focus, the logistics required by this office for the export of its agricultural products. The fact that in Nikolaev nothing of the serious shipbuilding remained, in my opinion, is not a secret for anyone - bankruptcy, sir.
Further in order - Skripals, or rather nonsense about them, this is the level for which the shallow-shaven politicians have descended, who contacted Bandera's idiots in order to warm their hands on them. What
do you still not understand?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Don't bother, though. I went to your page. Apparently, you are either a bum, constantly sticking out at the monitor, or an employee of a troll factory, working out silversmiths for the number of posts - otherwise your meaningless stream of empty splashes defies explanation.
I'm not interested in talking to a writer on fences.

[Ros 56]

I absolutely agree, you are not interested, because the Redskins did not know how to read.

[Prisoner]

The British and the Ukrainians will build the Vladimir the Great corvette. The deflection before the GDP is unambiguous. Ze does not pull on the great, even if he fits on a stool.

[Ros 56]

Shikoko, shikoko will take years for this, the metal is already tired of waiting for the completion of this construction / sorry completion / rebuilding.

[gx200gx]

YES WOULD BE SAWED AND HANDED ON METAL - IT'S NO LONGER WORTH ANNOUNCED INFUSIONS! AND FROM THE OTHER WAY TO LOOK ON WHAT THEY NEED TO LEARN AND DUCK IN POCKETS.

[askort154]

It was expected that a total of 10 ships of this project would leave the stocks. In 2018, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy said that there were no funds to continue building the ship.

This has already happened. So on July 27.07.21, 2, after a trip to Turkey, Zelensky said that he had agreed with Turkey on the construction of 140 corvettes for Ukraine, for XNUMX billion dollars. And after a while, the Consul General of Ukraine in Istanbul, D. Haman, denied this as not being true.
And what about the pop artist Zelensky about the veracity of the text that he should voice. The main thing is to present it beautifully to the public. You can't drink professionalism!

[Alexandr bogun]

I don’t want to upset you, but here on public, probably from 5 articles, it came out about these corvettes and they are being built in Turkey ahead of schedule, why are you calming yourself without seeing objectivity and running away from reality? We need to renew our fleet in the Black Sea at an accelerated pace, and not laugh and calm ourselves down. While people like you are laughing at them, they have built or received from 3 dozen new boats for various purposes, 2 minesweepers and 8 large British missile boats are on the way, three quite modern Turkish missile corvettes. And it is already a given that the next 5-6 years it will be in their fleet. And knowing the beggars, during this time they will still beg from the same Americans, British or EU countries some kind of ships and weapons on them.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Englishmen, well, finish building these raguli, pelvis. After all, they will be stolen or exchanged for bacon. And so, at least the weddings will roll.

[singless]

so they have a coup soon when to build

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: singless

so they have a coup soon when to build

Do you think they won't have time to "cut" in four days? And then they have an invasion in a few weeks, and then ... there are a lot of plans

[RoTTor]

They won't be in time!
The agony of a "failed state" that pissed off everything
including the largest shipbuilding in the USSR and Europe, is coming to a natural end.
Shipbuilding in Kerch, Sevastopol and Feodosia is already being restored after returning home,
in Nikolaev. Kherson, Kiev - will recover after reunification

[german patriot of america]

It would be more useful to strengthen the air force and air defense.

[cniza]

In 2018, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy said that there were no funds to continue building the ship. Now there are new details of the possible implementation of the project - with possible British participation.

Something tells me that it's not just about the means ...

[Alexandr bogun]

Guys, I don't understand from the comments, why are we happy and why are we laughing? Let me remind you that 8 years ago after the return of Crimea, we left Ukraine virtually without a fleet, the only combat ship is the Sagaidachny frigate with artillery weapons, it did not carry any threat. And now, in 8 years, they themselves have built or received new ones under three dozen different kinds of patrol and armored boats, restored all kinds of ships from old ones, and in the next 5 years they will receive at least 3 more modern Turkish corvettes, 2 minesweepers and 8 missile boats with displacement and armament are comparable with small missile corvettes, and now, in fact, a full-fledged missile frigate. And you need to understand that the British are not Ukrainians, they will follow and try to make sure that for their money from this frigate there is a sense and on time, it is profitable for them that Ukraine would divert the forces of Russia to itself as much as possible. And if you take into account that in the Black Sea, in terms of the power of the fleet, it is not sad, not us, but the Turks and here also Ukraine are not weakly boosted while we are laughing, then this is not so happy. Now they will write to me about our fleet, they say we will transfer from other formations and strengthen, but from where? In the East, there are at least 2 US aircraft carrier groups, the third-largest Japanese fleet in the world, and Australia and South Korea are allies of the United States. In the West, British, French, Italians. In the South, the Turks, another US Aircraft Carrier Group, the Greeks and now also pump up Ukraine. But we are smiling here, it's funny ... Ukraine has not built this Corvette itself in 15 or 20 years ... maybe it didn’t build it badly, because now the British will finish and finish building not a Corvette, but a full-fledged missile frigate with modern weapons. And while we continue to laugh, and of the entire composition of the World Cup of the Fleet, 20% percent of comparatively modern ships have been launched at least from the 2000s, everything else is the 70s, 80s, the beginning of the 90s, but what can I say is the flagship of the World Championship of the Fleet we have this Cruiser "Moskva" at the end of the 70s of construction and about the same condition as the newer aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov" which is ten years newer, but the condition is understandable ... weapons that will be on them in Ukraine in 5 years there will be a completely combat-ready squadron, which may not fight with us, but will constantly divert all the forces of the World Championship of the Russian Fleet, and what would it be on a permanent basis, as now there will be US missile destroyers , then the missile frigates of Britain or France. But judging from the comments, we will oversleep this too, we will tell each other how great we are, and at this time in Ukraine there are 170 army and 000 national guards with armored vehicles, in 60 years already with a full-fledged squadron, in about ten years the Air Force will probably appear with the help of the same USA, Britain, Canada or someone else. And we will all smile and laugh.

[Horn]

Neither the British will have time to build, nor the Ukrainians to saw it! You just forgot that Pan Zelensky appointed a war with Russia "in the afternoon". And hosh-no-hosh, and after the New Year, Russia will have to attack Ukraine.

[Alexandr bogun]

Listen, well, be realistic, you are not a schoolboy) It is clear that no one will fight with us, they said this in the past and last year, but the war never happened. This is politics and it is profitable for them, they strain us by the fact that in the current economic situation so much money has to be put into the defense industry, while the sanctions keep on us, put pressure on our large economic projects like Nord Stream, and from above there are also quite a few quite modern weapons either for free, or get it for a penny. The main thing is to say that "Russia will attack". And the Frigate will be completed by the British, if the business is already tied to their money, then the Britons are not used to building one ship for 15 years and it is not clear where to lose money, for them, as well as for the Turks, the reputation is not an empty place.

[Horn]

It is absolutely essential to give the non-brothers a pair of battleships and aircraft carriers! Let the whole economy of the non-sale plant work for them!