How Ukraine became a Russophobic state

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How Ukraine became a Russophobic state

Today's relations between Russia and Ukraine, and the worst thing - between Russian and Ukrainian society, are in the deepest systemic crisis and every year it only intensifies.

Not so long ago it was difficult to imagine the reformatting of Ukraine into an ethnocratic and Russophobic state. Ukrainian statehood, woven like a patchwork quilt from the Russian South-East, the Russian-Ukrainian Center and Western Ukrainian Galicia, has nevertheless formed a society that is mostly hostile towards Russia.



A natural question arises: why this happened and what contributed to the separation of the two branches of the Russian people, why is it mainly Russian in spirit for such a short historical Over a period of time, nationalistic tendencies began to prevail, leading to the loss of a significant part of the population of Russian identity, renunciation of Russian roots and the formation of a purely Ukrainian identity, mixed with the denial of everything Russian?

Why was the Russian beginning unable to defeat Ukrainian separatism and why did it flourish so violently in Ukraine?

Ukrainian ethnogenesis and "Ukrainianity"


It should be understood that in Ukraine before the collapse of the Union, the absolute majority of the population was made up of Ukrainians and Russians (Ukrainians - 73% and Russians - 22%) and only 5% of national minorities - Greeks, Bulgarians, Jews, Hungarians and other ethnic groups. That is, Ukraine was a typical bi-national country, while the overwhelming majority (regardless of ethnicity) was Russian in spirit.

There were no national movements even close, only among the nationally preoccupied creative intelligentsia the spirit of Ukrainians wandered, and in God-forsaken Galicia there was practically at the genetic level hatred of everything Russian, but there they were prudently silent and praised the CPSU in every possible way, trying to take the places of bread.

Nevertheless, the process of Ukrainian ethnogenesis, which had been developing for a century and a half, eventually led to the creation of an ethnocratic national state. Neither the centuries-old presence in one Russian state, nor reasonable political, economic and historical arguments, nor the rejection at the initial stage by the majority of the population of the Galician Russophobia imposed by the authorities, played a role. Ethnic egoism, calculation and instincts of the ruling elite and part of the population took the upper hand, which led to the domination of ethnocracy in the country.

Nationalism, constantly fueled by the authorities, has become a fulcrum for promoting the idea of ​​creating an ethnocratic state opposing Russia. Without this support, the actions of the West and the oligarchs could not have led to such large-scale changes in the consciousness of the population and a complete reformatting of political, social and state institutions in Ukraine.

In its interests of the global confrontation with Russia, this tendency was successfully used by the West, skillfully stirring up passions and directing ukronationalism into Russophobia.

To reformat the consciousness of the population and change its national identity, a national idea was needed that could make massive shifts in public consciousness and form a completely different image of the country's future.

As such a national idea was used the ideology of "Ukrainians", which had been cultivated earlier by the Poles, Austrians and Germans in Galicia and introduced throughout Ukraine by the Bolsheviks during the "indigenousization" of the people of Ukraine in the 20s. This ideology throughout the years of Soviet Ukraine was cherished and preserved only among the nationally concerned Ukrainian intelligentsia and party nomenklatura, especially in the 60s and early 70s, during the reign of the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine Petro Shelest.

With the collapse of the Union, the new leaders of Ukraine needed an ideology to justify their secession from Russia and establish their power, which was taken as "Ukrainians" based on rejection not so much from communism as from Russia.

Its essence consisted in building Ukrainian identity on a fundamental rejection of everything Russian, denial of a common history, Russian roots and language, that Ukraine has its own path of development, different from Russia.

This ideology became the state and the basis for building the state "for the Ukrainians."

The “fifth column” in the person of Galicia, which is the epicenter of Ukrainian ethnogenesis and represented by a nationally preoccupied and passionate rural population and the “Svidomo” intelligentsia, became the social base and driving force behind the reformatting of Ukraine, as well as the core and locomotive of the collapse of the post-Soviet Ukrainian society.

The idea of ​​“Ukrainianness” and hatred of everything Russian have been brought up here by generations since childhood. They sincerely believe in their "God's chosenness" and strive to make the whole of Ukraine happy with their wretched ideas. The aspirations of the Galician minority and the intrigues of the West could not impose their worldview on society, only the purposeful actions of the elite and oligarchy that seized power to assimilate the entire population and impose ukronationalism did their job.

With independence, everything Russian was gradually squeezed out, and a radical change took place after the coup in 2014 with the establishment of a neo-Nazi rather than nationalist regime.

Confrontation between "Svidomo" and "Russian-speaking"


As a result of the ethnopolitics being pursued, the population (regardless of ethnic origin) was divided into two fundamentally different groups - “Svidomo” Ukrainians who perceive themselves as a separate people from the Russians with a clear national identity and pursue their national goals, which are to build a mono-ethnic Ukrainian state and reformat the Russian-Ukrainian population and national minorities into a cohesive political nation based on a common history, language, religion and national identity.

The second part, represented by an amorphous conglomerate of ethnic groups without a common national identity, united by Ukrainian co-citizenship and including Russians who have retained their Russian identity, “Ukrainian Russians” who have adopted a political Ukrainian identity, Ukrainian “Little Russians” who have retained an all-Russian (not Great Russian) identity, and national minorities ... All of them were united by the recognition of the Ukrainian statehood.

This group did not want to forget about its roots, did not want to be subjected to the dictates of "Svidomo" ("Bandera") and violent Ukrainization. They were in favor of close and economic ties with Russia and would like to stay to live in a calm and independent Ukraine. For this group without a clear ethnicity, united mainly by the Russian language, a somewhat derogatory concept was introduced - "Russian-speaking", which is actually a pseudo-identity.

A group with a blurred national identity knew well what it did not want, but had little idea of ​​what it wanted and what it was striving for. Lacking a clear goal-setting for living in the Ukrainian state, she was not able to adequately resist the "Svidomo" and defend her rights, she lacked a specific goal: in what direction the state should develop and what it should become - Ukrainian or Russian. In such an unequal confrontation, this group inevitably had to lose.

Objectively, step by step, the "Svidomo" defeated the "Russian-speakers" and increased their influence. Their project could be successfully promoted only if there was an appropriate ideology, a social base in society and a driving force capable of turning the country backwards.

Rural nationally preoccupied Galicia, where only 12% of the rural slaughtered population lived, became the social base for the promotion of ethnocracy. It was opposed by the industrial South-East with 48% of the pro-Russian population, where the main science, industry, mineral resources and access to the sea were concentrated.

It would seem that with such an intellectual and numerical superiority of the population of the Southeast, it should have won in a civilizational confrontation with rural Galicia?

And everything happened exactly the opposite. Galicia won, and the victory was ideological.

On the one hand, there was a close-knit ethnos with a clear program for building an ethnocratic state based on the ideology of “Ukrainians” introduced by the authorities and supported by the West, and on the other, a conglomerate of “Russian-speaking” ethnic groups that did not put forward any ideology of building their future.

There was nothing to oppose to the ideology of “Ukrainians”, the same topical and unifying national idea of ​​Russian unity did not exist. At the same time, the Russian leadership traditionally relied on the corrupt Ukrainian elite and did not take any steps to spread the ideas of Russian unity in Ukraine and support the corresponding trends in society.

The Ukrainian elite and the oligarchy that formed it deliberately exacerbated ethnic confrontation in society, whipping up hatred of everything Russian. Through their pseudo-parties such as the “Party of Regions”, they seized control of the Russian movement and sought to discredit it, while strengthening and financing nationalist forces. Lacking their own elite, the “Russian-speaking” did not oppose anything ideologically or organizationally to the idea of ​​an ethnocratic state and were unable to break the system that built it.

In the presence of a serious social base, the ethnogenesis of the Russian political nation in Ukraine did not take place, for this there was no ideological basis capable of mobilizing supporters, and there were no driving forces ready to lead this process.

Within the framework of one state, the two ideologies - “Ukrainianness” and Russian unity - are incompatible, they are antipodes and pursue diametrically opposed goals. Only one ideology could win in Ukraine. No Minsk agreements could change the essence of the Ukrainian state, reconcile the parties and build a society based on mutual interests.

Formation of a neo-Nazi state


Metastases of "Ukrainians" slowly spread throughout Ukraine, capturing region after region, and by 2014 a social base had matured in society for the establishment of an ethnocracy. The idea of ​​federalization or the creation of autonomy for the South-East, put forward in the wake of the coup and supported by the Russian leadership, did not fit into the ideology of building a mono-ethnic Ukrainian state and was suppressed with all the might of the state machine.

After the coup, it was not nationalist, but Russophobic forces who were brought to power after the coup, which were faced with the goal of the final separation of Ukraine and the formation of an "anti-Russia". The whipping up of Russophobic hysteria, the mass assimilation of the population, resulting in repression, lustration, ethnic cleansing, the suppression of Russian culture, education, language and the Russian Orthodox Church, proof of the “age-old enmity” of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples and the imposition of the Galician cult of Bandera all over Ukraine - became the main task of the authorities ...

A demonic image of “Russian barbarians” was formed in society, who conquered the “freedom-loving” Ukrainians and dreamed of eliminating their statehood. Russia was blamed for all the troubles of the country and the population, which did not allow them to develop freely. This was also served by the adopted law on decommunization, aimed not so much at combating the communist legacy as at destroying everything Russian and etching out the slightest reminders of a common past.

The flared up civil war in Donbass was presented only as a Russian-Ukrainian war, and Russia was presented as an "aggressor country" that had seized part of Ukraine. The evolution of accusations moved from separatist terrorist mercenaries in Moscow, to Russian terrorist troops and occupiers. The Cabinet of Ministers even issued a dictionary on how to "correctly" interpret these events with the introduction of specific terms justifying the "occupation". At the everyday level, the problem of Crimea's withdrawal was inflated, everyone was convinced that “it was ours,” and aggressive Russia took it away, and no arguments that the Crimeans themselves massively voted for Russia are not accepted, but rejected.

A new generation has grown up for which the Russian past does not exist. Russia is a foreign and aggressive country, with which one can and should only fight. In a short period of time, the pro-Russian social base was eroded, even a part of ethnic Russians became “Svidomo,” and Ukraine was ideologically and politically reformatted into a Russophobic state built on rejection and confrontation with Russia. The Bendery authorities cleared out active pro-Russian bayonets, only the townsfolk remained, and at all times they were never capable of anything.

It is impossible to stop the process of building a state hostile to Russia in Ukraine with the existing system of power and a significant part of the population hostile to Russia.

To break the political system from within and remove the ruling elite from power in Ukraine today there are no political forces and support from the population, and an attack from the outside only mobilizes the "Svidomo" to counter force and resist.

In this regard, the Ukrainian state in the foreseeable future will remain hostile to Russia. The breakdown of the system can be carried out only due to the development of certain international circumstances that put an end to this state.

All this suggests that the return of the entire territory of Ukraine to the sphere of influence of Russia at this stage is impossible, we can only talk about reformatting a non-“Svidomo” part of the population and, in the event of the collapse of the state into independent enclaves, ready to independently determine its future with subsequent integration into the sphere of interests or into the composition of Russia.

This part of the population needs its own national idea and the corresponding ideology, justifying the impossibility of finding it within the framework of the Ukrainian ethnocratic state and the need to separate from Ukraine and independently decide on its future structure.

Without a driving political force armed with an appropriate ideology and capable of convincing the “Russian-speakers” of the correctness of their ideas and necessary actions, this task cannot be solved.

Within neo-Nazi Ukraine, such a force cannot appear due to objective reasons. It can only be formed outside: and through the reformatted republics of Donbass, to deploy a liberation movement in the Russian territories occupied by the “ukrami”.
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  1. +15
    27 November 2021 05: 32
    Not so long ago it was difficult to imagine the reformatting of Ukraine into an ethnocratic and Russophobic state.
    I don’t know, I don’t know ... but already in the 90s Ukraine became independent only thanks to its Russophobia, desperately making attempts to create an ethnocratic state ...
    1. +20
      27 November 2021 10: 52
      but already in the 90s Ukraine became independent only thanks to its Russophobia

      Yes, all this is nonsense. Kolomoisky Ukrainian? Or Akhmetov? Or Julia? Capitalism gave birth to "nationality" and not vice versa. We need a fence from the same "Russians" who, in fact, have no nationality. They don't give a damn about her. The main thing is your market, your destiny. And to come up with a nation - just spit. It will be necessary - and religion will be torn into "their" pieces. Even Catholics, even Orthodoxy, even Islam.
      1. +9
        27 November 2021 12: 00
        Quote: dauria
        Capitalism gave birth to "nationality"

        Rather, the loot gave rise to nationality. In the case of Ukraine, this happened even before capitalism. I recommend Nikolay Ulyanov's book "The Origin of Ukrainian Separatism". It very interestingly describes how the first misunderstandings arose even among Bohdan Khmelnitsky, who agreed with the Russian tsar that he himself would collect taxes from Ukraine. And he collected, but forgot to give part to the treasury. When this was pointed out to him, calls for independence began to appear in Ukraine. And off we go.
        1. +9
          27 November 2021 14: 17
          The author tried to understand and began to investigate in a * politically correct * way, and more and more primitively. When creating the Ukrainians, the Austrians vpendyuriyu idea about * superiority * and * the right to domination *, all those who disagree were exponentially killed. The Austrians had such an experience with the subordination of peoples.
          Upon realizing the insolvency of the * yubermen * on the outskirts, a desire began to arise to destroy everything that does not obey. Even more brutalization is caused by those who study and know a lot. The primitivism of ideas should somehow be fed, so the idea arose to join Europe with * their * NATO and * all together * to tear apart RUSSIA. So you look and * euro partners * will slobber a bit of land and of course obedient slaves (slaves are simply necessary for a complete justification of domination) and why should you feel like * lords *?
        2. +1
          27 November 2021 15: 06
          Quote: Hlavaty
          It very interestingly describes how the first misunderstandings arose even among Bohdan Khmelnitsky, who agreed with the Russian tsar that he himself would collect taxes from Ukraine

          Yes .... cool, and before that, Bogdan Khmelnitsky was not a separatist, this is when he decided to split Little Russia from the Polish Speech?
          1. +1
            1 December 2021 17: 09
            Quote: svp67
            and before that, Bogdan Khmelnitsky was not a separatist, this is when he decided to split Little Russia from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?

            Not. Then he was a freedom fighter wink
      2. +2
        27 November 2021 15: 04
        Quote: dauria
        Yes, all this is nonsense.

        It's funny to read your arguments ... everything you write says that you either have a short memory or you don't understand anything ...
        Under what slogans did the secession and acceptance of independence take place? Under slogans, the main meaning of which was - Away from Russia, without it, then we will heal and “feed” it ... So that the slogans were anti-Russian
        Quote: dauria
        the main thing is your market, your destiny

        You definitely don't understand the issue. I was talking about the fact that in order to get "independence", that is, in your opinion "your market, your destiny", Russophobic tools were used .... and what are you trying to tell me about?
      3. 0
        28 November 2021 16: 01
        dauria. Taras Grygorovych Shevchenko wrote about his love for Ukraine: I love Ukrainian nature and I will turn my bosom into tsitsok.
    2. +3
      27 November 2021 20: 04
      88 years old, already puffed, I remember from the army, I trolled the Westerners.
    3. +2
      28 November 2021 10: 01
      “It is generally accepted that the West of Ukraine is against Russia, and the East is for us. But even in the eastern regions back in the Soviet years, a considerable part of the Ukrainian intelligentsia bitterly spoke about the fate of their people and blamed the Russian authorities.
      “With what satanic power Ukraine was destroyed! - wrote the classic of modern Ukrainian literature Oles Terentyevich Gonchar. - According to the tragedy of fate, we are a unique people. The greatest geniuses of the nation - Shevchenko, Gogol, Skovoroda - have been homeless all their lives. But Stalinism surpassed everything with its horrors and state sadism. Genocide destroyed the most active, most talented forces of the people. What sins did such a share fall to us? ”
      The potter is not a dissident. Favorite of the Soviet regime: Hero of Socialist Labor, laureate of two Stalinist, state and Leninist prizes. And now, it turns out that he was thinking about the fate of his native Ukraine. ”
      Leonid Mlechin "Stepan Bandera and the fate of Ukraine"
      1. +2
        28 November 2021 16: 10
        Plantagenet. Do not believe Mechin, this is the second Solzhenitsin, but of a Jewish breed. The times that were knocked together did not live under the Soviet regime, they were poor due to the fact that Ukraine was not commanded by Russians, but by the same Ukrainians who feared the people. They imagined themselves to be Polish masters. On the one side of the river Ivano-Frankivsk region, on the other side Chernivtsi region. So the inhabitants of Ivano-Frankivsk considered themselves pans, and in the Chernivtsi region they called the inhabitants hicks. On the one hand, the Poles, on the other hand, so be it. And that was under Soviet rule. On the side of the Poles there were Roman Catholic churches, on the other side the Orthodox Church.


    4. +2
      28 November 2021 11: 07
      Yes, already at the end of the eighties they not only disliked, but openly hated everyone who spoke Russian. Do not delude yourself and at the expense of those who today stand up for friendship with Russia, at a convenient moment they will turn like a weather vane in the opposite direction
  2. +4
    27 November 2021 05: 37
    Many have contributed to the Ukrainians.
    Starting from Poles, Austrians and ending with Americans. But the Bolsheviks certainly did the most. There is no doubt about it. 70 years of ukrainizatsiya not just passed.
    And after this Bolshevik decree, those who did not even know about the Ukrainians, called themselves Little Russians, began to call themselves Ukrainians.
    Further. In order to amaze such an essentially Russian people with Ukrainian nationalism, it is not enough to give one national idea, it is necessary to give a super idea, above the national, ideology, today it is the so-called democracy, and the American one.
    The Russian state has abandoned its own ideology.
    Under the tsar it was Pan-Slavism and the third Rome, under the Bolsheviks communism.
    Now it's only dollars. Not for nothing do we keep all our reserves in them?
    Who needs us with the idea of ​​earning dollars?
    When we push for this, and the United States just prints them.
    1. -1
      27 November 2021 06: 48
      What predictable you are, enemies of the communists, so I knew that under the article there would be your eternal cowardly whine "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame."
      The enemies of the communists hate each other, but they always justify each other's crimes during the Soviet period, and during your Perestroika. And you have now acquitted the Russophobes who seized the Ukrainian SSR.
      1. +8
        27 November 2021 06: 58
        so from the rotten womb of the KPSS / Komsomol climbed a whole herd of Russophobic mutants who seized Russia ... and what ??? ...
        all our elite from this stinking cradle come from ...
        and the most paradoxical is that the most notorious Russophobes in their majority ... of Slavic blood with a Jewish admixture ...
        1. 0
          27 November 2021 07: 23
          That's what I wrote about that you, the enemies of the communists, justify each other's crimes.
          You justify those who captured the Ukrainian SSR and created an evil Russophobic State out of it. The enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR equally hate the USSR, in which the Russian and Ukrainian peoples coexisted calmly and peacefully, and it did not matter to them which republic the Crimea belonged to.
          1. +2
            27 November 2021 09: 23
            Quote: tatra
            What are you predictable, enemies of the communists

            Only, “don’t blame the mirror if the mug is crooked,” this is not an insult, this is a Russian proverb about communists.
            With you this is eternal, now "enemies of the people", now enemies of the revolution, "now enemies of the communists."
            And the fact that under your "golden power" Russia bought food in the capitalist countries, and began to sell slurry, such as you prefer not to mention in the discussion.
            Your party members in 1917 staged an armed coup in Russia, for 70 years they raised Russophobes in all its corners, and then changed their colors into capitalists (and the very top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) and released this pack of jackals into the wild.
            And Zyuganov, your KPRF member, himself leaked his victory in the 1996 elections.
            And now the enemies of the communists are to blame ?!
            Yes, you yourself are the worst enemies of communism, you have completely discredited it.
            1. -2
              27 November 2021 11: 52
              Just “don’t blame the mirror if the face is crooked”, this is not an insult, this is a Russian saying about communists

              At least I learned something new! it turns out this old saying about the communists!
              But in fact it is you who discredit him the communists, bringing them into one single mass. In general, you have already said a lot of nonsense, and you cannot argue with you.
            2. -1
              28 November 2021 16: 19
              Alexey Sommer. You still do not know that the feudal bourgeoisie carried out the coup in Russia. Only thanks to the Bolshevik Party was it possible to re-create Russia, which the feudal lords destroyed. The Bolsheviks defended the country, and the feudal lords who captured Russia in 1917 did not know what to do with it, what people needed. So they reappeared and their knowledge of governing the country, as in 1917, is zero. The country went to collapse. Like some of the feudal lords of 1917 used to say - our business is not to give birth, put it in, took it out and run. Rob and hide.
          2. -2
            27 November 2021 13: 02
            Quote: tatra
            tatra (Irina)

            What are you doing?
            The article somehow does not mention the role of the West in the processes taking place in Ukraine. For me, this is the main factor. How could the minority impose their opinion on the majority? Money and the media!
            Where did such huge money for Ukrainization in Ukraine come from?
        2. +5
          27 November 2021 09: 42
          But tomorrow they may write about you, from whose rotten womb did this appear?
          Finding the culprit is always easier than doing something. Vaughn China does not soar over the communist idea. Maybe the point is in personalities and mentality ??? Maybe the Bolsheviks and the Russian nation should have been converted, made purely homosovieticus?
          By the way in uraine these mutants are also from the KPSS / Komsomol ???
          And you were an Octobrist, a pioneer, a Komsomol member, I won't even ask about a communist, and so everything is clear.
          1. +1
            27 November 2021 12: 58
            "It is always easier to look for the guilty than to do something. China won’t worry about the communist idea. Maybe the point is in personalities and mentality ???"
            Show me where, the Chinese wrote about "Great Chinese chauvinism" and about the enslavement of other peoples by the Chinese?
            Where did China split itself into fictitious republics?
            Therefore, even now China is united and inviolable, that is why it kept its Communist Party.
            And you are all to blame for the "enemies of the communists")))
            1. -7
              27 November 2021 13: 23
              Quote: lucul
              And you are all to blame for the "enemies of the communists")))

              And how could they not be if such a country was taken away in their gardens!
              How is it in Ukraine? Let them kneel and repent.
              But we don't need this, why stop
              So they have to constantly break off.
              I am not an opponent of communism, but I do not accept lies either. hi
          2. -4
            27 November 2021 13: 06
            Quote: Thompson
            Vaughn China does not soar over the communist idea.

            And what is there in China besides the communist idea?
            On practice?
            That is, communism is a pension, free housing, what is there?
            They have tippo communism and that's it good
            1. 0
              27 November 2021 13: 28
              Why are you making an axiom out of the idea of ​​communism that does not want to change!
              The main meaning of socialism and communism is to make people live better!
              Compare capitalist Russia with communist China?
              1. -4
                27 November 2021 13: 40
                Quote: Thompson
                Why are you making an axiom out of the idea of ​​communism that does not want to change!
                The main meaning of socialism and communism is to make people live better!

                Equality is the main meaning of communism Yes
                Where is it there? request
                1. +1
                  27 November 2021 13: 43
                  what And is there already communism? request
                  1. -4
                    27 November 2021 13: 44
                    Quote: Thompson
                    And is there already communism?

                    What is it? smile
      2. +2
        27 November 2021 10: 05
        Where were your vaunted communists who allowed the children of Bandera to take leading positions in the UkrKPSS.
        1. -4
          27 November 2021 11: 46
          In the same place, probably where you are. By the way, were you gle at that time?
          Probably in Moscow on the barricades for Yeltsin
          1. -5
            27 November 2021 12: 02
            I sold vodka in Yaroslavl under the State Emergency Committee and both. I didn’t stand on the barricades for Yeltsin, that day Scottish fishermen approached the board with offers to ask for political asylum, England, that there was no great desire. And there and there we had to work.
            1. +2
              27 November 2021 14: 51
              I sold vodka in Yaroslavl

              Scottish fishermen approached the board that day

              This is how it happened belay ?
              1. -3
                27 November 2021 14: 59
                We share the GKChP, and the revolt against Yeltsin. It’s to blame. Where he was on the tank, I was purple, I need to feed my family and not badly feed.
              2. -2
                28 November 2021 23: 24
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                I sold vodka in Yaroslavl

                Scottish fishermen approached the board that day

                This is how it happened belay ?

                Well, they got to the bottom, he was selling vodka, and the buyers were the Scots ... by the way, the Volga flows there ... through it from Scotland and arrived on a river-sea barge ...
      3. -4
        27 November 2021 18: 08
        Quote: tatra
        "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame"
        Endure the truth!
    2. -1
      27 November 2021 09: 40
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      But the Bolsheviks certainly did the most. There is no doubt about it. 70 years of ukrainianization did not pass just like that.

      Well, yes, well, yes ... The Bolsheviks put a face on you under statehood! Only here the Bolsheviks, for some reason, did not have the current problems with Soviet Ukraine from the word at all. And now, all these problems, like devils got out of the snuffbox!

      What do you think, if there was no Soviet Ukrainization, then now Russia and Ukraine would have a friendship - just like water? Don't make me laugh! Everything would be exactly the way it is now. According to social centrifugal tendencies with a weakened center. Whom would our capitalists blame then? I think they would find it. But clearly not myself!
      1. -3
        27 November 2021 09: 42
        Quote: Stas157
        if it were not for the Soviet ukrinishchauii, then now Russia and Ukraine have a friendship, do not spill water?

        There would be Ukraine, there would be hostility, but only that Ukraine would be about 5 times less. Like Latvia for example. And the rest would consider themselves Russian.
        And most likely that Ukraine would be in Poland and be at enmity with the Poles.
        1. 0
          27 November 2021 09: 48
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          that of Ukraine would be about 5 times less.

          Well, they would be at enmity with Little Russia! Who cares? The same eggs, side view.
          1. +2
            27 November 2021 13: 29
            Quote: Stas157
            Well, they would be at enmity with Little Russia! Who cares? The same eggs, side view.

            And why should we be at enmity with Little Russia?
            We are not at enmity with Siberia or the Urals.
            So Little Russia would be like Siberia or the Urals.
            And no one would consider themselves a Ukrainian there.
            1. 0
              27 November 2021 13: 52
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              So Little Russia would like Siberia or the Urals.

              Why all of a sudden? All fourteen republics broke away from the RSFSR! Do you think if instead of Ukraine there was Little Russia, it would definitely remain?)) Dreamer!
              Well, okay Ukraine, but Belarus, why not like Siberia and the Urals?)) After all, it seemed, such a close people to us. There was no Ukrainization there either! And the result is the same - Belarus is a separate sovereign state.
              1. +3
                27 November 2021 14: 22
                Quote: Stas157
                Do you think if instead of Ukraine there was Little Russia, it would definitely remain?

                I mean that there would be no republic.
                1. -4
                  27 November 2021 15: 34
                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  I mean that would not be no republic.

                  Your next fantasy, which has no justification whatsoever.
                  You must understand, a well-known truth - history has no subjunctive mood. So why do we need to guess on the coffee grounds? It happened as it happened. And the Bolsheviks are not obliged to answer for the current problems of the capitalists. Moreover, the Bolsheviks themselves did not have such problems.
        2. +2
          27 November 2021 12: 42
          History has no if only if only. And the fact that we all together pissed away what the Bolsheviks did is a historical fact !!!
      2. -1
        28 November 2021 06: 52
        ".. Only the Bolsheviks, for some reason, did not have current problems with Soviet Ukraine from the word at all .."
        First read "The Eyewitness Eyes of the Red Terror." In the internet you will find it by name. There you will learn a lot about Ukraine too ... Only 1919-21.
    3. 0
      27 November 2021 10: 13
      You have the wrong information. By the time of the revolution, there were already Ukrainian writers and self-consciousness, so the Bolsheviks did not invent or create anything. And the myths about the fact that the Austrians there someone created this nonsense because the nation historically takes shape if there are no prerequisites, then you will not create them.
      1. -3
        27 November 2021 12: 03
        There were writers, only they were in the position of urban madmen. And so the formula "Invented by the Poles, developed by the Austrians, introduced into the head by the Bolsheviks, taken advantage of by the Americans" is really correct.

        There were no prerequisites for a hundred years, or now. It is impossible to create another from one nation, like minced meat and, moreover, meat from sausage.
        1. 0
          27 November 2021 12: 06
          As far as possible. The Americans, for example, were created from different nations and peoples, and the Russians, in your opinion, too, perhaps they were all the same, and not created from different tribes and countries, the same Germans, French and British. National states, by the way, only took shape in the 19th century. In principle, there was no single German nation before the unification of Germany under Bismarck.
          1. 0
            27 November 2021 16: 54
            Well, to what extent Americans are a nation is a moot point. Indeed, nations began to take shape from some ethnic groups from the beginning of the 19th century. This process ended somewhere in the period between the world wars. Tell you what nation was formed in the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR?
    4. 0
      29 November 2021 08: 58
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      And after this Bolshevik decree, those who did not even know about the Ukrainians, called themselves Little Russians, began to call themselves Ukrainians.

      Is this a stamp? Or do you have proof? Ukrainians believe that, on the contrary, their national identity was being killed. No?
      1. -1
        29 November 2021 09: 11
        Quote: victor50
        Is this a stamp? Or do you have proof? Ukrainians believe that, on the contrary, their national identity was being killed. No?

        I apologize, of course, but some modern Ukrainians believe that their ancestors dug the Black Sea, and in the 30s the Russians starved the Ukrainians (and only them, they did not hear about the terrible famine in the Volga region) and much more.
        This is briefly called "Ukrainian mythology"
        And how was national identity killed?
        Everyone who wanted to have it in their passport: Ukrainian, you want to learn the language, teach it to your health.
        You want to be fruitful, to your health. Under the USSR, the population of the Ukrainian SSR was 54 mln, but now there are at least 30?
        1. 0
          29 November 2021 09: 18
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          I apologize, of course, but some modern Ukrainians believe that their ancestors dug the Black Sea and starved them (and only them, they did not hear about the terrible famine in the Volga region) and much more.
          This is briefly called "Ukrainian mythology"

          And we have those who believe that the history of the world began with Russia, and Akraim was the capital of this world! smile So what?! And we have invented everything in this world (or almost everything), and the Naglo-Saxons have appropriated all this and pass it off as their own! lol No? And there are Cossacks whom the Soviet government killed and oppressed in all sorts of ways throughout history !!! winked So what? There are enough stupid and arrogant everywhere, especially in the present times, when success is achieved by being noticed, and it does not matter, thanks to what foolishness!
          1. -1
            29 November 2021 09: 22
            Quote: victor50
            And we have those who believe that the history of the world began with Russia

            We don't write this in textbooks.
            Quote: victor50
            And there are Cossacks whom the Soviet government killed and oppressed in all sorts of ways.

            Here are the Ukrainians, some, just confuse the Soviet government and the Russians.
            Although the same Soviet government gave them the state for the first time in history.)
            You understand, the Ukrainian state is built on enmity towards Russians and Russia and is simply obliged to forcefully carry out Ukrainization, since otherwise it is difficult for many people to explain why Russians need two states.
            1. 0
              29 November 2021 09: 28
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              We don't write this in textbooks.

              Have you seen this in their textbooks ?! Or did you hear it on our TV? I'm sorry if that's the case. How do we differ from them then ?!
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              The Ukrainian state is built on enmity towards the Russians and Russia

              I agree with that.

              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              it is simply obliged to forcefully carry out Ukrainization, since otherwise it is difficult for many people to explain why Russians need two states.

              But this is what - do not understand?
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              directly confuse the Soviet government and the Russian.

              And what, the Russians were against the Soviet regime?
              1. -2
                29 November 2021 09: 46
                Quote: victor50
                And what, the Russians were against the Soviet regime?

                What do you think?) How!
                At the end of 1919, the Special Commission of Inquiry to investigate the atrocities of the Bolsheviks determined the number of deaths from the state policy of terror pursued by the Soviet government at 1 people only in the period 766-188, including 1918 soldiers and 1919 officers, about 260 priests , 000 thousand peasants, 54 thousand workers, 650 thousand policemen, 1,5 thousand landowners and more than 815 thousand representatives of the intelligentsia and the bourgeoisie

                The Tambov uprising of 1920-1921 is one of the largest peasant uprisings against the communist rule during the Civil War in Russia, which took place in the Tambov province. ... Like the Kronstadt uprising, it largely contributed to the decision to abandon the policy of War Communism and the transition to NEP.

                Of course, this is not all, this is for you as an example.
                1. 0
                  29 November 2021 09: 50
                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  What do you think?) How!

                  I thought and think differently. For any reason! And you? Do you at least realize that you have no reasoning for your (supposedly) thoughts, except for clichés?
                  1. -4
                    29 November 2021 10: 56
                    Are you saying that the uprising against the Bolsheviks is a stamp?
                    As for the digging of the black sea, it is possible that this is a stamp, but this is not certain.
                    It conveys the general atmosphere in Ukraine quite well.
                    Well, I also try to think.
                    I am a product of the Soviet educational system.
                    1. +1
                      29 November 2021 12: 45
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      Are you saying that the uprising against the Bolsheviks is a stamp?

                      Well, yes, continuous uprisings from 1917 to 1985! lol In this way, you can find black bars and errors in any state!
  3. +6
    27 November 2021 05: 40
    The state and state planning is not to burn tires on the Maidan, the non-brothers thought that they were feeding Russia and half of the union, but it turned out that without the Russians they can only ride and lick their asses, the political leadership is clowns and drug addicts.
    1. +11
      27 November 2021 05: 54
      How Ukraine became a Russophobic state
      and what about a few dozen states, large and small? it would be interesting to know which countries are directly in love with Russia? that something does not come to mind.
      1. +2
        27 November 2021 07: 38
        As I have written many times:
        It is thanks to such articles and 90% of comments to these articles that Russophobia is brought up!
        Yet as simple as the corner of a house!
        Authors! Commentators! Re-read your written words! Transfer this "tracing paper" to another state and you will get an enemy, transfer it to a relative - you will get a bloodline!
        Well, what a primitivism - to say / write nasty things to someone, and then be surprised - they don't like us!
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 07: 52
          Buddy !!!!! and even during the union I did not ask anyone to be loved, I’m not a red girl, ali Baku-BUT ... if my comrades shook my broom with a broom, and gave my word ... be kind, keep your word -or better chew then, instead of talking ...
        2. -8
          27 November 2021 08: 12
          And if we write: "Glory to Ukraine! To the heroes of bacon!" Will they love us then?
          1. -2
            27 November 2021 08: 16
            Do you have to go to extremes?
            Now, if you see a person behaving not in your usual way, do you tease him? Or do you start repeating after him?
            Most likely you are passing by.
            If a relative is trying to help, reassure ...
            Why don't we do this with our former republics?
            1. +6
              27 November 2021 09: 14
              Why don't we do this with our former republics?
              Those on whom they depend do not see the benefits for themselves. And by the way, if Rossel succeeded in creating the Ural Republic, they would now talk about the Urals. About the especially chosen people of the Urals.
            2. 0
              29 November 2021 09: 24
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              If a relative is trying to help, reassure ...
              Why don't we do this with our former republics?

              Because having removed their own head through their hair, they do not cry. They betrayed and sold everything, everyone and each other! Moreover, the first violin in this process was played by the great Russian people when they followed their favorite, Yeltsin.

              What happens next is only a consequence that can no longer be avoided. It is impossible to jump off the 25th floor and stop halfway. It's just that if it comes to giraffes, then we can say so; the fact of jumping from the 25th floor was realized only at the level of the 15th floor ...
        3. +2
          27 November 2021 09: 15
          Again we are with you, discussing.) Good morning.
          We are loved only when it is possible to earn money in our country. And Ukraine is no exception.
          1. +11
            27 November 2021 10: 22
            I completely agree with you. I remember the collapse of the USSR, I was on a voyage. The senior electromechanic, as it turned out to be a "Ukrainian" to the marrow. , we Ukrainians are tired of feeding you for nothing, now everything will be for dollars. Ukraine will heal, and you will get drunk from hunger. What was told to him, you have two options: Either you shut up now and finalize the flight or tomorrow we will calmly withdraw from the field and we go to unloading in Walvis Bay, there a kick in your ass on the dock with a plane ticket at your own expense. it was fermenting in blood, from childhood probably some. But not all. The crew of the ship is a mini state, and the captain is a god, a king and a judge in one person. Everything goes outside at once.
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 10: 31
              Heard about this port. A relative is a fisherman. Yes, you were right, sat in the heads of many, but they were afraid to blather. Now they are not afraid. Opened up completely. As it was at my mother-in-law in Ukraine ... the year 2005 .. At one station I got out of the car, to smoke. Two gaster are standing nearby. They're coming from Russia. And they throw mud at the whole country, they say, they have poverty and all the drunkards. I went up to one and asked, “If there is poverty, then why are you going there? To pick up scraps from someone else's table? “They are outwardly small, pocket-sized… We quickly closed our mouth and ran into the carriage. After this incident, I lost my trust in the people completely.
              1. +7
                27 November 2021 10: 46
                An anological case, lunch in the cabin of a steamer. One Ukrainian suffered that you Russians are not doing anything with Putin, so if we immediately Maidan. From such impudence, we thought that his roof went off. Then a cry from the dishwasher: Unprintable, flies out waitress, well, she didn't have a ladle in her hands, and to him. You don't like the salary of $ 2 tons per month in Russia, blow into your Ukrainian trawl fleet and work there for your hryvnia. Once again, I’ll hear something like that. And she could, they called her an Indian. A crown blow, by the hair head down and a knee on the forehead, not one fulyugan could stand. The most interesting thing is she is Moldovan. Such silence until the end of the flight, you could only scold the United States, with Europe and the athletes ...
                1. +2
                  27 November 2021 11: 55
                  Well done woman !!!)
                  My friend has a mother-in-law from Ukraine. Lives in the house of her son-in-law. Mother-in-law often goes out into the yard and sits with our pensioners, talks. One day, he comes home from such gatherings, there are scratches on his face. A friend asked, for the sake of decency, what's the matter, but she muttered something and that's all ... Well, okay. ) Then he learns that the mother-in-law among our pensioners began to throw mud at the GDP and the country. Well, they did not tolerate our grannies, too - "God's dandelions" slightly scratched her face. I didn’t see it myself, but my friend said that the mother-in-law was outside for a month, not a foot.))
            2. +1
              28 November 2021 14: 50
              Quote: tralflot1832
              The crew of the ship is a mini state, and the captain is a god, a king and a judge in one person.

              It's even surprising - how did he not fly in ?! We had a shift technologist - he drank blood with gusto! Once I got into the twin-deck to check that the boxes with freezing were stacked correctly - someone closed the door and screwed the lamb ... An hour later they opened it - until the end of the flight it was difficult to find a polite person ... wassat
            3. 0
              29 November 2021 09: 01
              Quote: tralflot1832
              For a long time it was fermenting in the blood of the Ukrainians, from childhood, probably for some.

              And why not?
        4. -5
          27 November 2021 12: 32
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          As I have written many times:
          It is thanks to such articles and 90% of comments to these articles that Russophobia is brought up!

          Funny.
          Russophobia is developing primarily due to the actions of the Russian authorities.
          In the same eighties, the whole Union dreamed of sending Moscow to hell, with their quirks. Not like the Ukrainians or the Balts there, even the Russian regions. The ideas of all sorts of Ural-coastal-Siberian republics were very popular.
          Then the "saints" of the nineties showed that it was necessary to make legs out of "rashka", and they did it as best they could. Some left by themselves, some by whole republics, such as Chechnya.
          1. 0
            29 November 2021 09: 08
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            The ideas of all sorts of Ural-coastal-Siberian republics were very popular.

            It was nonsense, bad people. Democrats who have seized power. One clever guy even proposed to separate the district from the country, to put barriers on the railway and highways and to live at the expense of this. And in 2008, when the default broke out, the head of one department, after a meeting with the head, proposed urgently (today! winked ) to develop laws for one large city. They were going to secede ... The first - I don't know where, I hope, in the durk, the second position in the administration is occupied. Not very tall, fortunately.
        5. -3
          28 November 2021 15: 33
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          As I have written many times:
          It is thanks to such articles and 90% of comments to these articles that Russophobia is brought up!
          Yet as simple as the corner of a house!

          Bravo Nazarius! good
          There is a homespun truth in this!
          And they work in this field and in Ukraine. I completely agree with you.
          Many who are now writing about Ukraine are working against the improvement of our relations in the future. I did not expect from you hi
      2. +4
        27 November 2021 10: 31
        Quote: Dead Day
        it would be interesting to know which countries are directly in love with Russia? that something does not come to mind.

        But the whole world followed the success of the USSR! Someone is wary, and someone is enthusiastic. The great experiment of building the world's first socialist state did not leave anyone indifferent. And even Western countries adopted some experience!

        Now the opposite is true.
        1. 0
          29 November 2021 09: 10
          Quote: Stas157
          But the whole world followed the success of the USSR!

          And Vietnam and Cuba were definitely in love. Maybe a few more states. Almost half of the world then were at the same time with us. Someone (the majority?) For the reason that it was profitable. But there were also those that are different.
    2. +4
      27 November 2021 06: 07
      Quote: Pessimist22
      non-brothers thought that they were feeding Russia and half of the union, but it turned out that without Russians they could only ride

      Here it is easier to explain everything - they themselves have lost such a sales market as multi-million Russia, and to the west, no one needs it. Well, all right, at first they were supplied to Romania, to Hungary, but as they are to the EU, so extreme and teeth on the shelf.
      And everything happened exactly the opposite. Galicia won, and the victory was ideological.

      This is all because it is enough for the hungry and the angry to poke a finger - "Here he is the culprit" !!! So it took a little effort for the Westerners to win.
      However, you can also swing. Such an example - on May 9, 1945 in Germany, as if by magic, the Nazis disappeared. There were ... once and no))) All turned out to be "workers or Telmanovtsy". Here is the same song.
    3. +6
      27 November 2021 09: 15
      Quote: Pessimist22
      State and state planning are not tires on the Maidan ...

      Absolutely.

      Quote: Pessimist22
      planning is not to burn tires on the Maidan, the non-brothers thought that they were feeding Russia and half of the union ..

      Someone, after all, presented this "idea" to them ...

      Quote: Pessimist22
      it turned out that without the Russians they can only

      Well, smart people have always understood this, that the "splinter" cannot be better and more successful than the "whole".

      Not so long ago it was difficult to imagine the reformatting of Ukraine into an ethnocratic and Russophobic state.

      Therefore, this saying sounds at least ridiculous. And what, they hoped that they would kindle with brotherly love? And this despite the fact that for the last 40 years there has been systematic work to swing the boat, to translate into reality the plan to break into parts of the once united people. This work is going on now, it is fueled by large financial injections from outside, this work is carried out not by amateurs, but by seasoned specialists from the Western special services. They solved one most difficult problem - they destroyed the Union. The second is to tear the former republics away from Russia forever. This can only be done with the help of bloodshed. They need everyone to start killing each other. This is not forgotten, this wound will bleed and hurt for generations (see the east of Ukraine), so there is no need to fear reunification. And when they solve the second problem, the next will be the third: the ethnic card within Russia. If we manage to play it, then we can no longer talk about the integrity of the country ...
      1. +1
        27 November 2021 10: 36
        I agree, but nevertheless, our main task now is to dismember Ukraine by annexing the entire southeast.
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 10: 52
          Quote: Pessimist22
          our main task now is to dismember Ukraine by annexing the entire southeast.

          This is a very difficult question. Many opportunities have already been missed. Now all that Russia can get is part of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. Very little to talk about a geopolitical victory, and they gave a lot to the enemy ... Moreover, a large number of Russian-speaking population lived in the Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. And 10-15 years ago, the majority in these regions were loyal to Russia ...
  4. +7
    27 November 2021 05: 58
    The paradox is that the most ardent Russophobes in Ukraine are Russian-speaking people - from Poroshenko with Zelensky to Farion with Nitsa - that is, "Ukrainians".
    1. +3
      27 November 2021 11: 12
      Yes, there is no paradox, the usual scheme - who was bought for money, who was intimidated, and who simply has no oil in his head, only sawdust. Forgot Germany?
  5. +6
    27 November 2021 06: 05
    Finally, the author raised a serious topic in Ukraine.
    In 2014, there was an opportunity to influence the process of formation of a Russophobic Ukraine, but it was ineptly missed due to the strategic miscalculations of the Kremlin, which looked no further than the transit pipe in Ukraine and Crimea.
    Perhaps they didn't have enough strength ... Avakov's militants suppressed the advance of the Russian Spring deep into Ukraine, and in the Kremlin itself they were afraid of this movement (and suddenly it gets out of control) ... and there were no Ukrainian hawks capable of fighting Bandera scumbags ... then the events went worst-case scenario.
    Diverse Nazi groups began to cement themselves on the basis of hatred of everything Russian and, as a consequence, Russian ... time was lost and the process of turning Ukraine into a ram against Russia was launched to the fullest.
    What to do now and how to get out of this impasse?
    I believe the process of de-renting Ukraine will be long and will last for many years and will require enormous resources of our state.
    You can still follow the path of viruses ...
    to launch into the body of Bandera Ukraine various ideological viruses that destroy it from the inside and cultivate them in all possible ways ... as the Anglo-Saxons are doing against us now.
    In general, the overall picture of the battlefield in this direction is not yet joyful for us ... we are sitting on the defensive. what
    1. +7
      27 November 2021 07: 02
      ... we sit on the defensive. what

      Worse, in zho.p.
    2. +3
      27 November 2021 07: 53
      2014, 2014 ... why not 1991? then the chances were more fun ...
    3. +6
      27 November 2021 12: 53
      In 2014, there was an opportunity to influence the process of formation of a Russophobic Ukraine, but it was ineptly missed due to the strategic miscalculations of the Kremlin, which looked no further than the transit pipe in Ukraine and Crimea.

      I agree to stop a hundred percent. But the process started earlier. There was no need to let everything go by itself. The ownerless farm always has a new owner, or it decays
  6. -3
    27 November 2021 06: 06
    Yes, the word is obscene, that's how the revision of I.V. Stalin and the dibelism of N.S. Khrushchev.
  7. +4
    27 November 2021 06: 28
    If there is one ugly family in a family, then it would be wrong to say that all ugly people! If there are 3 million urods, then there are 27 million more and it is not a fact that they are at the same time or in solidarity with them. By this 3 million, the government allows and forgives everything, including not only political, but also criminal murders, for this is the mainstay of their power and enrichment. The rest, unarmed and powerless, were brought to their knees and forced to remain silent! There is not just a limitation in language or historical truth, there is a national-police dictatorship.
    1. +13
      27 November 2021 06: 43
      What are 27 million? At least a couple of generations have grown up there, whose softest attitude towards Russia is indifference. Even people who got there by distribution under the Union are such nonsense that it is sickening to listen to. At least 60% of them are hostile to us. I would like to read and hear about Ukraine as little as possible. We will not be able to remake them, so we will have to live with what we have.
      1. 0
        27 November 2021 07: 42
        Or maybe they are not talking nonsense, but for us pour into ears what are they talking about?
        Have you ever thought about it?
        Have you talked to many Ukrainians for a long time?
        1. -2
          27 November 2021 11: 08
          Go to Banderostan, take an interest, you will come back alive and tell us. negative
          1. +1
            27 November 2021 11: 19
            Read my article from June this year!
            I went, came back, wrote and posted a photo! Or do you think everything has changed dramatically in five months?
            1. -4
              27 November 2021 11: 27
              I think yes and very much and it will only get worse.
              And so I suppose that during the trip you tried to communicate with adequate people, I have matchmakers, quite normal people, they live in Odessa, but people were burned there. So you know, different people live there, but the music is ordered by Banderlog, and the rest have to fuss with it.
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        2. +1
          27 November 2021 20: 05
          I talked with my classmates. Four by distribution ended up there. Born in the RSFSR in the early 60s with a Soviet upbringing. Three out of four are chasing this about Putin's aggression ...
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        3. 0
          29 November 2021 09: 33
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Or maybe they are not talking nonsense, but they are pouring into our ears that they are talking nonsense?

          They too. Well, yes, they are pouring in to us.
  8. +7
    27 November 2021 06: 39
    The author, have you ever wondered why we are mostly surrounded by countries with a Russophobic ideology? And it's not about galicism, selfishness and everything else. With all the positive that was in the USSR, the communists, starting from the theoretician, made a huge mistake in the national question. No republics, only provinces (regions). And this is not only an administrative division.
    1. +2
      27 November 2021 08: 29
      Quote: 210ox
      The USSR, the communists, starting from the theoretician, made a huge mistake on the national question.

      No, we didn't. The Bolsheviks' approach allowed the creation of the USSR. The Bolsheviks are not to blame, but the restoration of capitalism, after which the USSR could not survive.

      No republics, only provinces (regions). And this is not only an administrative division.
      The current Bandera government professes such an approach - a unitary Ukraine. Did it help them? And you can recall the unitary Republic of Ingushetia, in which in WWI the population of the outskirts could not even be called up to the front, because riots began. Compare the situation with the Second World War.
      1. +2
        27 November 2021 13: 57
        I agree, but partially. Yes, it allowed the creation of the USSR. But nevertheless, the thesis of self-determination, the possibility of secession from the Union is where the first mine was laid. The second secretaries of the republican committees (Russians) were supposed to control the situation? It didn't work, they themselves had a stigma in the cannon. And the Republic of Ingushetia collapsed for a completely different reason (more precisely, for several reasons), and the administrative division did not play a role here at all. Although not, in the same Poland and Finland there was wide autonomy and the process of fermentation of the substance was going on
    2. +3
      27 November 2021 10: 19
      Guberni did not help the Russian empire either. And not only the British and the French did their best to keep the colonies, but the time came historical and could not.
    3. 0
      27 November 2021 13: 23
      The theorist Lenin invented, the practitioner Stalin embodied!
      .And none of them is to blame that you, me and all of us, fucked it up!
      And the Selyuk Ukrainian Hryusch started it
    4. 0
      29 November 2021 09: 35
      Quote: 210ox
      the communists, starting from the theoretician, made a huge mistake on the national question. No republics, only provinces (regions)

      I wonder how you would justify this in the republics? Not now, but 100 years ago ?!
  9. +5
    27 November 2021 06: 56
    Is it better in Russia or what? Those who seize the country, they also impose their power, System, economy, ideology.
    Likewise, the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR immediately began to destroy both the Soviet and the Russian, and to instill foreignism, they began to inspire the Russian people that they had nothing to be proud of in their history, but only need to "repent", made Russians not even the second, but the third "grades" after Jews and Muslims, took away from the Russian people its history and culture, both Soviet and pre-revolutionary, together with the enemies of the Communists who seized the Ukrainian SSR, justify the crimes of external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, Russia and the Russian people, praise collaborators Civil and Great Patriotic War, they justify the separatists who dismembered the USSR.
    1. +2
      27 November 2021 13: 25
      Do not stir up ... There are completely different processes going on. Some are ignored, others are appeased so as not to interfere with robbing and making money!
  10. +1
    27 November 2021 07: 07
    Interestingly, the girl in the photo, washed now, is walking?
    1. +2
      27 November 2021 11: 06
      On my own I will add - and probably lives in warmth and satiety. lol
  11. +1
    27 November 2021 07: 20
    Ukraine has always been sick with Russophobia, which hid for a while when it got hot and without Russia there was nothing. And it never became a full-fledged state. Russophobia gets in the way.
  12. -6
    27 November 2021 07: 33
    In order to solve a problem, you need to understand its cause. And for the enemies of the communists, everything is simple - that's, the blame for the fact that the enemies of the communists, who seized the Ukrainian SSR, have been doing things with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people for 30 years, they blamed on the Bolsheviks-Communists, the blame for the fact that the enemies of the communists, who seized the RSFSR, have been doing it for 30 years with Russia and the Russian / Russian people, they again blamed on the communists, and all the "problems have been resolved."
    1. +2
      27 November 2021 08: 00
      There is only one reason for this: an overstated sense of one's own arrogance, which, by the way, is not supported by anything. And therefore, their position in life, we must, because we are ... at the same time we must from the moment of birth, and up to the grave of life .... so, ourselves, everything ourselves, and for our own. Prove that it is worth doing business with you, you are welcome, but from a loss, God forbid ... not being able to prove, the Wild Field will help you ... and do not whine, like a dog adjusted with a boot under the ass from a cartoon ...
    2. AAK
      +3
      28 November 2021 00: 15
      Colleague, in my opinion, it's all about the communists, and not about the "enemies of the communists."
      30 years of "nezalezhnost" and growing Russophobia preceded, alas, 75 years of Soviet power and the domination of the Bolshevik (I would not call it communist) ideology.
      Under the tsars, especially after the liquidation of the hetmanate, there was no talk of any statehood in Ukraine. There were a number of provinces and no more. The first attempt, however unsuccessful, to create an ukroderzhava, was made by the Central Council and a little Skoropadsky in 1917-1918. But what they failed, it was the Bolsheviks who succeeded. It was they who created the Ukrainian SSR, a kind of quasi-state within the USSR, but still with certain state attributes.
      Further, who augmented Ukraine with Russian and Belarusian territories by almost a quarter in the 1920s and 30s are again the Bolsheviks. First Lenin, and then, alas, Joseph Vissarionovich added in 1939 after the "liberation campaigns". Who transferred Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 - the Trotskyist and Bolshevik voluntarist Khrushchev.
      Who started the artificial and violent Ukrainization in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, again the Bolsheviks - first Petrovsky and Podvoisky, then expanded and "killed" Khrushchev, finally formed - Shelest and Shcherbitsky.
      Who did not destroy at the root of the Ukrainian Bandera and all sorts of police chiefs after the Great Patriotic War - the Communists. Those who did not finally liquidate the Uniate Church in Ukraine are the communists. The first president of Ukraine is the young OUN member Kravchuk, the second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, the 2-2rd President of Ukraine - Kuchma, the director of Yuzhmash and a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. Accountant-beekeeper Yushchenko was also a member of the Communist Party of Ukraine. Even Lazarenko and Tymoshenko are also not many, but they carried membership cards in their pockets.
      So, the current situation in Ukraine was prepared and nurtured by 75 years of communism. And under Soviet power, for the excessive "Russianness" or, God forbid, anti-Ukrainianness in the Ukrainian SSR could have been grabbed no less than now in Ukraine (I even remember such a case, in our secondary school in Simferopol, about a little less than half of the students in the classes were children military, they did not learn the Ukrainian language and literature (and we did not study from the 2nd to the 10th grades), but when some of our parents unofficially talked about this with the school administration, so that we would not learn this crap either, they knocked into the district committee The CPU and there were quite serious showdowns, it's good that without fatal consequences).
      Well, all those who broke the USSR and continue to "get up" with Russia and its people, again wore membership cards in their pockets or, in extreme cases, were included in the Komsomol nomenclature.
      And the word "enemy" is a purely communist notion ...
      1. AAK
        0
        28 November 2021 00: 30
        And as for the fate of today's Ukraine - I fully support the colleague of Baron Pardus - only maximum isolation, the termination of all trade and economic ties (Ukraine screams in all directions that Russia is an aggressor and invader, and we are carrying out such "aggressive" economic cooperation with them , since in their opinion there is a war, so what kind of cooperation?), all Gaster with Ukrainian passports - step by step to "Batkivshchyna" new Makhno, Petliur and "Father Angels" in each region, are playing off oligarchs and politicians, the sooner the collapse of Ukraine comes - the easier it will be to find a pretext for "federalization", disintegration, and even for an operation to "avoid a humanitarian catastrophe, coercion to peace and restoring order "
        1. 0
          29 November 2021 09: 39
          Quote: AAK
          and we are carrying out such "aggressive" economic cooperation with them,

          And why not?
  13. +5
    27 November 2021 07: 43
    So you need to strive for the DESTROY Banderlogy as a state. Let the Poles and Romanians take part of the banderlogy (having received a sickly hemorrhoid in the face of Svidomito sodo ... in short, Svidomo), and some must return to Russia. The most INDUSTRIAL PARTS, and the most STRATEGICALLY ADVANTAGEOUS. It is necessary to behave the way the Americans and the British behave. "We are Anglo-Saxons, and when the Anglo-Saxons need something, he GOES AND TAKES." It is necessary to conduct an ideological and subversive struggle. Split society, stimulate internal conflicts at all levels and all against all. Promise everyone whatever they want. As Bismarck said, "I love to give what does not belong to me," "Gentlemen, here's a bear skin for you, and now go into the forest and kill the bear and your skin." Promise anyone anything, and then always, ALWAYS you can find an excuse (extremism, corruption, whatever), and not give a damn thing. ("I would be glad, but there are so many extremists among you that we cannot give you sovereignty"). In any case, you can provoke Banderlogy to a stupid aggressive step (because Banderlogs, according to Kipling, are STUPID, GREEDY and AGGRESSIVE), and then redeem Banderlogy in full (see how the US is doing). When it was necessary - they blew up their cruiser Maine, when it was necessary, they framed the Luisitania, when it was necessary - they framed the old battleships under the Japanese bombers, when it was necessary - they invented the attack of Vietnamese boats on their destroyer. When it was necessary they invented a "danger for American students in Grenada", when necessary, they shook a test tube of washing powder at the UN like an orangutan with a banana ... In short, learn history, you can always find a strategist to make the enemy attack (or "attack") yourself then wage a "defensive war." These strategies are well described in the Chinese annals. And modern history knows many of them.
    You can ALWAYS, ALWAYS refer to a historical incident. "Show me the state" Ukraine "on the maps of the 19th century, or the 18th, or 17th, or 16th), and further down the list. Unlike Poland, which, despite the disintegration (Rzeczpospolita), and sections of Poland ALWAYS existed. Ukraine NEVER and It was NOT ANYWHERE.You can not attack a country that historically has NEVER existed.
    1. +1
      27 November 2021 08: 04
      Why destroy them? They, as if they themselves are not badly managed with this action, that is, with the collapse of the hen house ... we just have to look at this enchanting action ...
      1. -1
        27 November 2021 08: 34
        ALWAYS, ALWAYS need to help the enemy to make the wrong steps in every possible way. It is necessary in every possible way to ENCOURAGE and PUSH the enemy into internal discord. You can even drain the misinformation that they say Avakov gets loot from "unknown sources" which can ALWAYS then be brought to Russia. LET there all quarrel with each other. Let them arrange internecine strife and destroy each other as much as possible. Physically, economically and ideologically. You can throw in and say "We recognize that Lviv, historically belonged to POLAND" (after which to shut up, and if something happens to say "we said" OWNED "we did not say that" SHOULD BE OWNED. " You can say "We RECOGNIZE the passports that Hungary, Romania and Poland issued to the citizens of" Ukraine. "Let these 4 countries shit each other well. Force the Banderlog to keep military groups on the Western borders. Well, then you can always arrange a provocation. For example, to Banderlog troops They fired a mortar, RPG or recoilless weapon at Hungarians or Poles, while Hungarians and Poles will not stand on ceremony with Banderlog.
        1. -5
          27 November 2021 09: 52
          No, this is shallow and not that level! Wait a little and "General-Frost" will have his say in winter. The Ukrainian economy is on the verge of collapse. And Ukraine has already lost many branches of industry. Moreover, she herself, voluntarily and of her own (or maybe not of her own? ...) will. The population lives on the brink of survival. About five to six million Ukrainians live and work stably abroad, and there is no question of returning. Therefore, millions of families have already become fictitious - one of the spouses has been abroad for years and found a temporary "spouse" there from the same losers, migrant workers or from the locals, and the one who remains at home also finds a temporary couple: it turns out a rather interesting temporary family "union" of four human. (Hmm, here this problem could be studied and you can squeeze not a frail dissertation on a topic, for example, "Variety and diversity of temporary family relationships in conditions of long-term labor emigration"!). Let's go further. The Ukrainian army is also extremely dysfunctional. There are problems above the roof. One of my acquaintances from there told me a long time ago that some of the bad features of the Russian Imperial Army were almost revived in the Ukrainian army - that is, a clear social division of servicemen, humiliation of subordinates, scuffle, collection of payments for everything and about everything, constant humiliation and insults. So, there are problems over the roof and there is no question of any brotherhood in arms, as we had in the past in the Soviet Army. If such an army will go on the offensive and be successful - this is a big question.
          And we will leave Galicia to itself.
          1. +2
            27 November 2021 11: 31
            By the way, it would be very cool to PROHIBIT ANY money transfers from Russia to Ukraine, because the money sent from Russia to Banderostan ALWAYS leaves the Russian economy, but what is this? Right. FINANCIAL SUBSTANTIAL ACTIVITIES. However, the same applies to any diaspora. And at the same time send ALL Ukrainian gasterbayters. Do not cook in your own juice, and the more people THERE, the faster they will destroy their own reserves of fuel and food. It is called "economic sanctions". Moreover, everything can be arranged beautifully - if you do not have a work book - no money transfers to Banderostan. Because we are fighting illegal financial flows. Everything is according to the law. I repeat - look at how the United States and Britain behave with their enemies. And you can also arrange a sabotage for them on some kind of gas / oil storage. When they last fixed them. That's right, under the USSR.
            Let them jump and bask in the fact that they jump ... Bandera shortcomings. My grandfather told me (who received the Red Star for the destruction of Bandera's gangs of formations) "Oh, Iosif Vissarionovich was too kind and too easy-going, these Bandera imbeciles and policemen had to be burned out with a red-hot iron."
          2. 0
            29 November 2021 09: 43
            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            No, this is shallow and not that level! Wait a little and "General-Frost" will have his say in winter. The Ukrainian economy is on the verge of collapse.

            Well, yes, "tomorrow" has been dying for 8 years already! laughing Are you one of the same great strategists, experts and predictors? lol
            1. +1
              29 November 2021 10: 55
              Magus and predictor, not strategist or expert! However, you are right - seven years ago I bet a bottle of cognac to my sidekick that Ukraine will self-destruct in 2014 by the end of the year ... In 2015, he already betrayed me on the same topic. Then again I ... That's how we have fun.
              1. 0
                29 November 2021 12: 41
                Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                ... That's how we have fun.

                laughing hi
  14. +6
    27 November 2021 08: 15
    On June 12, 1991, it was said: "goodbye not washed republics." And now we have what we have and not only in Ukraine, but in the rest of the former republics. And the CIS de facto ordered to live a long time, although de jure exists. If you plunged into history , found the guilty ones who did not create the Union correctly, so those who created it "incorrectly" created it. Pardone, for the tautology. And let me remind you that during the years of the civil war, none of the anti-Bolshevik leaders managed to create a united anti-Soviet front against the "usurpers". Even the shtetl chieftains wanted to live separately and found their own masters, Krasnov in the person of the Germans, Semenov in the person of the Japanese. You are a shallow swimmer, aaaaa Russophobia in Ukraine. Look more broadly. Why, within 30 years after the destruction of the common economic space, this space has not been restored? Russophobia exists in the territories of all the former republics to one degree or another. Neo-Nazism in Ukraine? Is it not on the territory of Russia? In the 90s, in the course of well-known events, from the territory of the subject of the Russian Federation, the subject of the Russian Federation, Karl! the Russian population was expelled and which still cannot return there (and does not want to), and even there is no talk of compensation for this population. Exiles in their homeland.
    1. +6
      27 November 2021 10: 49
      Quote: parusnik
      If you plunged into history, found the guilty ones who did not create the Union correctly, so those who created it "incorrectly", created it.

      These are very correct words. hi
  15. +3
    27 November 2021 08: 17
    At the same time, the national elites of the newly formed states (not only Ukraine), who were born after the collapse of the USSR, clearly grasped the fact that the wider the gap with Russia, the more chances they have for increasing their personal capital and maintaining their monopoly on power, and therefore, for a decrease in the share of the population nostalgic for the union, elevated Russophobia to the rank of national politics, defaming the common past with Russia and praising everything Western, in fact advertising a large box of illusions, albeit empty, but beautifully designed and shiny. The main attraction of the West lies in the fact that there is a fairly high standard of living. At least this "image" they successfully advertise and "sell" throughout the post-Soviet space. Having some successes on the external contour, in terms of internal content, for the citizens of this very post-Soviet space, Russia will still seem to be an unattractive country since it cannot offer either a model or guidelines for a glorious joint future.
    The absence of a state ideology in Russia and a common understanding of what we are building, where we are going and what we want to achieve in the end hardly adds supporters and sympathizers to us, since everyone came from the same common environment of the USSR and have practically the same heritage and the same a "soup" set of problems - approximately the same standard of living, the same troubles in education and health care, closed factories and factories, broken roads, abandoned villages, overgrown fields, low pensions and wages, and a total cuts in social obligations of the state to citizens in all directions. The higher the standard of living of Russians, the more attractive Russia itself will be.
  16. +3
    27 November 2021 09: 19
    when we talk about the confrontation between the "well-known" and the Russian-speaking in Ukraine. then it should be noted the obvious weakening of this confrontation. Many Russians, and among them those who do not speak Ukrainian, have betrayed Russia with a zeal no less than Ukrainian nationalists and with ardent Russophobia pouring out of their mouths serve in various positions in Ukraine. Moreover, at different levels. From errands and sixes, to ministers and leaders of the Ukrainian Gestapo SBU. Only a few surnames and all of them are Russian - Avakov, Bakanov, Budanov, Danilov ... These are those who create the Russophobic ideology there.
    And how many of them are smaller? And how many Russian commanders are there in their army of divisions, regiments and battalions? ... Millions of Vedas will turn out purebred Russians, who are now the most ardent Russophobes in Ukraine. So it’s not for the surname you have to beat in the face, but for the Russophobia released from these faces. Because history also remembers Ukrainian surnames. Well, let's say - Ponomarenko and Fedorchuk.
    The first was seen by the Great Stalin, because Ponomarenko was devoured by Khrushchev, and the second was gnawed by Andropov and then Fedorchuk was devoured by Gorbachev, because Fedorchuk, as chairman of the KGB of the USSR, began to suspect that Andropov and Gorbachev were the successors of the Khrushchev cause, as laying the foundation for the collapse of the USSR.
    And further . It is not in vain that the Nazi-Bandera government has now rushed to conclude a triangular alliance of the New Lublin Union with Poland and Lithuania. The most stinking stench of Russophobia was coming from there now. And there modern visual aids of Russophobia were the first to appear after the collapse of the USSR. These are the museums of "occupation", this is the ban on the symbols of the USSR, this is the humiliation of the Red Army and the Victory on May 9, this is the jubilation when the Ensemble was killed in Russia. Aleksandrova and Doctor Liza, this is also the jubilation when a Russian canvas was killed in Syria, etc.
    But if we talk about the danger that Russia is now bursting into tears of pity from Ukrainians whining without Russia, then yes, there will be these dangers for Russia if Russia does not take into account that today they are Mededchuks, and tomorrow they are already, look, Kravchuks, Kuchmas, Yushchenko , Yanukovychs, Poroshenko, Zelenskiy ..
    1. +3
      27 November 2021 11: 14
      they are all Russians - Avakov
      Avakyan by his father. A mixture of Ossetian and Armenian lol ).
  17. +1
    27 November 2021 09: 22
    There was nothing to oppose to the ideology of “Ukrainians”, the same topical and unifying national idea of ​​Russian unity did not exist.

    Didn't the devil try? First, in Russia, he crushed all the ideas of Russian unity, and then did not interfere with the collapse of unity and Khlamina.
    1. +1
      27 November 2021 09: 39
      Just look at the lady's face in the photo, carefully. There are 80 percent of them. Unpretentious, stupid and limited personality .... And the style of clothing is better than me, women-members of the forum will appreciate.
  18. 0
    27 November 2021 09: 31
    Very interesting! Good article. Everything is correctly stated. Thanks!
  19. +4
    27 November 2021 10: 39
    Yes, the mediocrity of the USSR government, based on its systemic defect - the power of one / a small group who lost touch with reality due to age / dementia, limited social circle, the presence of opportunists around them, whose desire was only to snatch more money and power, and not at all serving the country and people. This is the cornerstone of the death of the great state, the heir, to some extent, of the Russian Empire. We can talk about an external factor, of course it was present, but it was always there, throughout history.
    All this is in the past. But they learn from mistakes. It would seem that. What now? Small group power for many years? Yes, they prevented the collapse in early 2000. Then the golden years of oil prices. What now. Surrounded by unfriendly neighboring countries, the further the more. And sanctions, sanctions, sanctions. Could you have acted smarter, thinner, more efficiently? Create a system of power, renewable, but subordinate to the idea of ​​the welfare of the state, and not to the idea of ​​total cutting? It was possible, but more money and power are needed. Does it seem to anyone that the Russian Federation is following the path of the USSR?
  20. -2
    27 November 2021 11: 01
    So it is necessary to deprive this spiteful banderostan
    woven like a patchwork quilt from the Russian South-East, the Russian-Ukrainian Center
    these scraps and let with the remnants
    Western Ukrainian Galicia
    Poles and others who wish are sorted out, and to ban the Ukrobanderovites forever from entering Russia as lepers. And what remains with Russia will gradually return to normal and these Banderaites will be forgotten as a nightmare.
  21. 0
    27 November 2021 11: 07
    It's very simple, the old principle won out in Ukraine (though where did it come from, when the tsar was like that). Why do we live so badly? Why, why! Because a neighbor lives well! I had such a case two Ukrainians, neighbors. One buys " Volga "from the factory, from where the 70s, the Olympic village of Murmansk. We must knock on the neighbor. We figured out, it turns out, the neighbor's mother is an honored partisan of Ukraine, an order bearer. The authorities had to apologize, and the snitch left after six months!"
  22. +2
    27 November 2021 12: 39
    How Ukraine became a Russophobic state
    division and allocation of elites during the collapse of the USSR. Each "chief ram" had to prove that he could lead a herd (the main rams were distinguished by the density of wool - resources). The easiest way to prove this is to get rid of the neighboring "main sheep" and the herds they lead (an example from the Ukrainians: "Russians are not Slavs ...") and then more, like from a joke: "Anna Ivanovna, you are a prostitute!" "is it me that prostitute? here is your wife .. our authorities and the media do the same thing. if there is shit in the camp, then look at the neighbors, there is more shit and it stinks. In 14 he said that it would be (movement from Russia) - was ostracized. Soon it will happen again with Belarus, according to the same scenario (as soon as Lukashenko gives weakness). Half of Belarus is asleep and see visa-free travel to Europe. To avoid centrifugal movements, we need to make our life attractive, the country rich, small corruption, courts fair, etc., everyone wants to be friends with the rich, and even the same people with the same don't want to be friends with the naughty ones. The recipe is simple, but if about Ukraine, then the question of the Crimea's ownership (to be honest, at 14, I thought there would be a war), the joy of relations is not adds, Donbass does not allow to fall asleep.
  23. +1
    27 November 2021 12: 51
    such a short historical period of time, nationalist tendencies began to prevail, which led to loss of Russian identity by a significant part of the population, renunciation of Russian roots and the formation of a purely Ukrainian identity


    And let the author bring a Soviet Ukrainian textbook, where the students of the Ussr would be taught that they have RUSSIAN roots and RUSSIAN identity.

    A-there was no such thing at all, it was strictly the opposite, that the Ukrainians are absolutely separate and different from the Russians (albeit friendly) people, developing already from the 12th century, with an "ancient" culture, history like Ukraine itself, let the author take a look TSB, etc., according to which "Ukraine" is the self-name .... countries from ... the 14th century!

    That's what they brought up for 70 years, and that's what they got in 1991 and beyond.
    1. +3
      27 November 2021 15: 48
      +100500 I will subscribe to every word because until the 9th grade I studied in Ukraine, I will add not a big nuance, the difference in teaching in Ukrainian (a slight touch of nationalism) and Russian schools, folk wisdom (probably still causes pride in Ukraine) "went ho hol shit on floor, behind it ka dac with dac teeth. "I do not see analogs in Russian.
      1. +2
        27 November 2021 18: 03
        "I don't see any analogues in Russian.
        Yes, but they will be banned for it. Someone Pavel Yatsyna, a native of Crimea, used him in his songs wassat
      2. -2
        28 November 2021 10: 54
        I gave you a minus because you are lying and you know why. I don’t know how they paid in Russian-speaking schools, but in Ukrainian-speaking schools the Russian language teacher received more salary than his Ukrainian colleague. And teaching in vocational schools. Technical schools, Institutes was in Russian. And only now the situation of the Ukrainian language began to gain popularity among the people and before it was treated as the language of "Selyuk" because the entire information space was captured by the Russian language.
        1. 0
          2 December 2021 18: 55
          to account
          And only now the position of the Ukrainian language began to gain popularity among the people.
          Poltava, Cherkassk and so on (central Ukraine) regions communicated a lot in the Ukrainian language (it is enough to drive to the outskirts of the regional center), even in the Donbass there were many Ukrainian speakers (Bendera after their release), and the Ukrainian woodlands always spoke a cross between Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian languages. I will not give you a minus for ignorance.
          among the people and before it was treated as the language of "Selyuk"
          I agree here (the term "kugut" was more common), but this does not change the essence.
  24. 0
    27 November 2021 12: 56
    As such a national idea, the ideology of "Ukrainians" was used, which had been cultivated earlier by the Poles, Austrians and Germans in Galicia and introduced throughout Ukraine by the Bolsheviks under "Indigenization" of the people of Ukraine in the 20s.

    The author used the term "indigenization", which is precisely determined by the processes occurring in Ukraine. "Indigenous" is the privatization of history "at the place of residence"... More details about this term and its meaning are here:
    https://mikle1.livejournal.com/11637605.html
  25. -7
    27 November 2021 13: 07
    How Ukraine became a Russophobic state

    There was Ukraine - and since 2014 it has become the Ukrainian Kaganate.
  26. 0
    27 November 2021 14: 36
    Quote: Olgovich
    such a short historical period of time, nationalist tendencies began to prevail, which led to loss of Russian identity by a significant part of the population, renunciation of Russian roots and the formation of a purely Ukrainian identity

    And let the author bring a Soviet Ukrainian textbook, where the students of the Ussr would be taught that they have RUSSIAN roots and RUSSIAN identity.
    A-there was no such thing at all, it was strictly the opposite, that the Ukrainians are absolutely separate and different from the Russians (albeit friendly) people, developing already from the 12th century, with an "ancient" culture, history like Ukraine itself, let the author take a look TSB, etc., according to which "Ukraine" is the self-name .... countries from ... the 14th century!
    That's what they brought up for 70 years, and that's what they got in 1991 and beyond.

    And who previously raised "them" so that in 1917 (under the Provisional Government) the Central Rada emerged, which rather quickly managed to create Ukrainian armed formations? Didn't they know that in November 1917, in her III Universal, she announced the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic?
  27. 0
    27 November 2021 14: 40
    Without a driving political force armed with an appropriate ideology and capable of convincing the “Russian-speakers” of the correctness of their ideas and necessary actions, this task cannot be solved.
    Within neo-Nazi Ukraine, such a force cannot appear due to objective reasons. It can only be formed outside: and through the reformatted republics of Donbass, to deploy a liberation movement in the Russian territories occupied by the “ukrami”.

    To begin with, we ourselves would have to arm ourselves with an "appropriate ideology", and as for the thesis "through the reformatted republics of Donbass to deploy the liberation movement in the Russian territories occupied by the" Ukrainians ", then in the current conditions this is a utopian idea ...
  28. +2
    27 November 2021 15: 00
    History repeats itself ... remember the grandfather of Lenin and the Bolsheviks in 1917. They not only destroyed, but also knew that they would build and build, and therefore won the civil war.
    1. 0
      28 November 2021 11: 08
      Quote: Not the fighter
      remember Lenin's grandfather

      "Remember" is not enough. Necessary читать Lenin.
  29. +1
    27 November 2021 15: 48
    And what conclusion do we come to after reading this opus? They won’t love us, and you won’t be drawn to us by force! Is there just left? Correctly, the complete blockade and the imposition of sanctions on the part of Russia, no transit, no trade, no transportation and flights through Russia for at least a year or two, let them finally fall in love with Europe without Russia, and then, you look, and take up their minds! Well, Donbass is a Russian region and it is not worth getting away from it, the one who loves and respects us, we will help and accept that!
    1. -7
      27 November 2021 15: 59
      Time Vyacheslav, time and propaganda of Russian unity will put everything in its place.
      The so-called soft power.
  30. -1
    27 November 2021 19: 32
    The reformatting of Ukraine into an ethnocratic and Russophobic state not so long ago was difficult to imagine

    Well, unless a person has no imagination at all, yes, it's difficult! In general, it was clear that a separate state as a member of the former union would try, in order to maintain independence, to culturally distance itself as much as possible from us. The elites were given a steering wheel and said "steer!" so they ruled) Russophobia arose on the same soil - as a process contrary to our desires to "turn everything back" and as part of nationalist tendencies opposing the national myth to the surrounding, unfavorable environment (they say they survived despite the intrigues of Russians, Germans, Poles, etc. list). All national governments are similar to each other like school gopniks, they need to somehow justify why there is no cake in the state - they justify "someone is there, over the hill to blame!" In Ukraine it is us, in our country it is the United States, in the United States it is us or China, everyone has someone else to blame. The less a person believes and listens to these noodles, the calmer his life, because this is all about the excrement of agitprop, whose task is to rub you all the time that makes you forget about your convenience or profit and become a figure in some kind of stupid movements.
  31. -3
    27 November 2021 22: 34
    You can talk for a long time about the reasons for the situation in Ukraine There is no sense from this I will say one thing I had 29 warrant officers in my company in Afghanistan (a communications company deployed according to the states of combat time) More than half from Ukraine There was a battalion commander from Ukraine I think it makes no sense to talk about our relations Then, in the process of further service, I crossed paths with the Ukrainians many times.When they were withdrawn from the Western Group in 1994, there were no differences. SA is that he is a Banderite-stupid But practically everyone with whom I communicate with Russia condemns, to put it mildly, This is the paradox Well, in the bottom line we have 1200 km of borders and a feisty neighbor We will not do anything there, we have nothing to boast about, or they of our lifelong leader as a unifying idea to set A border now needs to be constantly strengthened And these are our pensions and salaries Something like this
    1. 0
      28 November 2021 11: 04
      Quote: Sad235
      Something like this

      Not "something like that", camerade, but exactly. Yes I wrote everything correctly, so wait for the minuses.
  32. +1
    28 November 2021 11: 01
    Why does VO fall into this profane low-grade populism? It is clear that the constant viewing of the first channel left an indelible imprint on the author, which he hastened to share with the audience.
    To break the political system from within and remove the ruling elite in Ukraine from power
    Curiously, what kind of political system is the author going to propose to Ukraine? With regards to the elite - the generation of politicians brought up, this is a long-term process, and since there is no absolutely ideological influence of Russia on the politically active strata and is not expected, then why this empty thing about "reformatting"? Within the Ukrainian politicum, constant squabbles, rotations, scandals - yes, but they are of an intrasystemic nature, corporate squabbles of shopkeepers and do not shake the anti-Russian paradigm at all.
    and through the reformatted republics of Donbass

    what does "reformatted" mean in general? From what to what?
    You know, if you take a Ukrainian and Russian official from the upper echelons, scrape off feigned respectability and pretentious chatter, then you will not see the difference at all - corrupt parasites, temporary workers with the stigma on their faces "have time to take!"
  33. -1
    28 November 2021 14: 44
    ... Goodbye, unwashed Russia ...

    And in our apartment gas, and you? wassat
  34. +2
    28 November 2021 14: 52
    I read all the epithets that the author awards Ukrainians ...
    It is not surprising that they became Russophobes)))