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Foreign experts: "Queues were lined up for the Checkmate pavilion in Dubai, but no contracts for the fighter were signed"

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Foreign experts are summing up the results of the recent international air show in the UAE. For Russia, it was notable for the fact that it hosted the first foreign presentation of the program to create a fifth-generation single-engine fighter, The Checkmate. For the presentation at the airfield, where the main part of the Dubai Airshow 2021 took place, a special pavilion was deployed, where a model of a promising Russian combat aircraft was exhibited.


Experts in the foreign media note that the Russian presentation certainly aroused interest, and mainly from the representatives of the Gulf countries, including the UAE. However, as noted, while the visit to the pavilion with the layout of The Checkmate has not gone further. After the completion of the Dubai air show, contracts for participation in The Checkmate program were not signed by the same Arab Emirates.

The US press writes that the UAE authorities "continue to rely on the supply of F-35s." Let's remind that earlier with such supplies there were problems because of the Israeli position. Israel is opposed to the fact that any country in the region, except itself, in the Air Force had fifth-generation fighters of American production. In connection with the position of Israel, the execution of the transaction for the sale of 50 F-35 aircraft to the Emirates was suspended. At the same time, statements appeared that the UAE was considering the possibility of acquiring fighters from Russia. As an option - Su-75 The Checkmate. But for now it is still in the form of a layout.

The fact that the Su-75 The Checkmate has not yet taken off and has not appeared in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces is considered by Western experts to be the main reason that so far the interest in it in the international arena remains low.

Reporter Jose Estebanos:

Russia even released a perfume to draw attention to its promising fighter jet.

It is noted that queues were lined up for the Checkmate pavilion, but not a single contract for the purchase of a promising fighter by foreign customers was signed.

It is suggested that potential customers are waiting for Russia to lift this aircraft into the sky and when it will enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. After that, it is possible to sign contracts with foreign stakeholders.
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  1. paul3390
    paul3390 24 November 2021 09: 30
    +42
    So what should you sign a contract for? To buy a layout? There is no plane yet - hardly anyone wants to buy a pig in a poke ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 24 November 2021 09: 34
      -3
      In aviation, it's okay to sell a non-finished aircraft. Especially in the military, there, in general, almost all aircraft are financed from the idea level for the purchase of a certain number of products. The question is in the credibility of the manufacturer and the quality of the aircraft.
      That’s the problem with trust. He is not here. Fantasy voiced stats do not add it.
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 24 November 2021 09: 50
        +23
        It's okay in aviation to sell a non-finished aircraft

        Amendment IN NATO IT IS NORMAL WHEN THE US OFFERS SOMETHING, since there is not always the right to refuse wink
        Although India also wanted with us, but merged, I don’t remember any more cases.
        Really not the time to pay for a pig in a poke
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 24 November 2021 09: 56
          +14
          If we are talking about India, then the example of the Su-30 is illustrative. It did not exist at the time the contract was signed. But there was trust. Upgrading the Su-27 with western avionics is an understandable and clear task.
          1. Runoway
            Runoway 24 November 2021 09: 59
            +14
            I would not compare! It's one thing to have a ready-made Su-27, which completely satisfied the customer, it just needed to be converted into a two-seater, another thing is a completely unknown aircraft, one theory
            1. nks
              nks 24 November 2021 10: 46
              +4
              In general, there were already two-seat versions of the Su-27 (the Su-27UB flew back in the 80s) and variants with PGO too. Indian requirements were mainly related to equipment and the main work was related precisely to the integration of equipment, however, including the adaptation of the airframe to it. The main technical problem with the checkmate project is in the aerodynamic design of the single-engine tailless design and DSI VZ, new for the Sukhoi Design Bureau, with which they have not seriously worked before.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 25 November 2021 13: 42
                -1
                Well, we'll have to wait. I really hope and want the Su-75 to be quickly created and become successful. yes
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 24 November 2021 10: 25
            +6
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            If we are talking about India, then the example of the Su-30 is illustrative. It did not exist at the time the contract was signed.

            Come on, the contract was signed in 1996, and the first flight in 1989, and the operation in 1992.
            You haven't confused with the T-90 for an hour ?!
          3. dorz
            dorz 24 November 2021 11: 36
            +1
            Precisely the fact that the Su-75 The Checkmate has not yet taken off and has not appeared in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces

            We are looking forward to modernizing the aircraft. lol
        2. SergKam
          SergKam 24 November 2021 11: 24
          +5
          I don’t remember any more cases

          Indonesia has invested in Korean KF-X.
          Pakistan paid China to develop JF-17
          1. seeker of truth 777
            seeker of truth 777 24 November 2021 13: 34
            0
            Indonesia has not fully paid the money yet, most of the money has been invested by South Korea. The relationship between China and Pakistan is similar to Russia and Belarus. wink
            1. SergKam
              SergKam 24 November 2021 13: 39
              +1
              Indonesia has not paid in full yet

              Still pays.
              In advance. And I started paying before the first flight.
              1. seeker of truth 777
                seeker of truth 777 24 November 2021 13: 44
                +1
                Indonesia has taken over the $ 1,9 billion project but has so far paid only $ 180 million. 180 million, two SU-35s.
                1. SergKam
                  SergKam 24 November 2021 14: 11
                  +1
                  paid only $ 180 million

                  AND? There is a case. Did not become
                  wait for the flight, but immediately invested. By the way, according to Chemezov's statement, there are 6 ShahMats.
            2. Qas
              Qas 25 November 2021 11: 01
              0
              Are China and Pakistan planning to merge into a single state?
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 24 November 2021 09: 52
        +13
        Duc - you need to show at least a prototype flying! Anything other than the layout. Then perhaps someone can think about joining the development. And here - there is nothing but good intentions .. Especially against the background of, to put it mildly, the protracted epic of the adoption of the Su-57 ..
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 24 November 2021 11: 30
          +8
          Quote: paul3390
          And here - there is nothing but good intentions.

          Amendment: well-intentioned and perfume lol
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 24 November 2021 13: 18
            +3
            Quote: Galleon
            Quote: paul3390
            And here - there is nothing but good intentions.

            Amendment: well-intentioned and perfume lol

            Interestingly, the perfume is at least for sale? Or there is also clean air from a flight altitude.
            1. frruc
              frruc 24 November 2021 15: 25
              0
              It is noted that queues were lined up to the Checkmate pavilion ........

              The queue lined up for perfume, no more than 2 pieces. in one hand + photo on the background of the layout.
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 24 November 2021 12: 33
          -2
          Quote: paul3390
          Duc - you need to show at least a prototype flying!

          And then remodel according to the requirements of the customer?
          In the arms market today, the main factor is not quality, not cost, or abstract "trust". The main factor is the political will of the country's government and independence from US influence.
        3. Gambit44
          Gambit44 24 November 2021 15: 46
          0
          Obviously, the military is waiting for a new engine and therefore does not want to adopt a new aircraft with an old engine, albeit a very good one.
      3. Elturisto
        Elturisto 24 November 2021 10: 07
        +1
        Will give and even fight with non-ready planes is also normal - no need for pilots, no airfields, no weapons, what kind of economy.
      4. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 24 November 2021 10: 09
        -5
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        That’s the problem with trust. He is not here.

        And I think it's not a matter of trust in the manufacturer. They are happy to take our SU-30, SU-35, etc. The point is in the work of the defense industry marketers. The presentation was beautiful, and they did not take care of creating a crowd in the queue. It would be possible for the same Serbs or Iranians (ideally also the Chinese, but this is unlikely) to be asked to conclude grandiose, but non-binding contracts for the supply of large consignments of Shahermats. According to the principle "if the plane takes place and the price is acceptable, then maybe later ..." And say that the supply is limited. Not enough for everyone. Hurry, fly in. I think that then the Arabs would react correctly.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 November 2021 10: 23
          +5
          Quote: Polite Elk
          It would be possible for the same Serbs or Iranians (ideally also the Chinese, but this is unlikely) to be asked to conclude grandiose, but non-binding contracts for the supply of large consignments of Shahermats.

          And a month later, this scam becomes world property and the end of all future contracts ...
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 24 November 2021 10: 35
            -5
            Quote: Serg65
            And a month later, this scam becomes world property and the end of all future contracts ...

            What scam are you talking about? There are buyers (including fake ones). With their advance payments, the manufacturer calmly finishes the device. Then it increases the rate of production. Deliveries are made (including for yourself). Fake buyers get a discount. All to be honest. The method is not new. Many samples of weapons and military equipment were created in this way.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 November 2021 11: 43
              +1
              Quote: Polite Elk
              Fake Buyers Discount

              But before that it was ..
              Quote: Polite Elk
              non-binding contracts for the supply of large quantities of "Shahermatov".

              what So binding .... or non-binding? You have completely confused me .... I twist and twirl on ...... I want a fur coat for my wife lol
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 24 November 2021 12: 39
                -1
                Quote: Serg65
                So binding .... or non-binding?

                For "theirs" - not obligatory, but pretentious, to create excitement (and it will not work to cut a lot of wool from Serbia and Iran, therefore it is pointless to oblige them). And after the program reaches its design capacity, you can buy "friends" if you wish. For complicity - a discount.
                Quote: Serg65
                You got me completely confused

                I apologize for not laconic presentation of thoughts. hi There was still work to be done before lunchtime. At least tear it apart. I was in a hurry.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 24 November 2021 13: 21
              +1
              Quote: Polite Elk
              With their advance payments, the manufacturer calmly finishes the device.

              So there is no apparatus, so no one wants to cut plywood
            3. seeker of truth 777
              seeker of truth 777 24 November 2021 13: 38
              +1
              Maybe one dollar up front to hang the poster on the wall.
        2. vic02
          vic02 24 November 2021 11: 17
          +2
          It could be the same Serbs or Iranians (ideally, also the Chinese, but this is unlikely)
          What are the Iranians and even more so the Chinese? To begin with, we would have signed a contract with our Ministry of Defense, as for the S-400 and 500. Then someone might have thought, despite the large delays in current contracts for aircraft.
        3. Galleon
          Galleon 24 November 2021 11: 28
          +4
          All the aircraft listed by you have a Soviet history, and the current Russian SU-57 still cannot be completed and put into service. What to talk about if an aircraft of the same design bureau and the same manufacturer exists only in a model? They can’t bring the old one to mind, when it’s the turn of the mock-up. It's one thing when there is not enough money, but there may not be enough brains, energy, and money. Only marketing is enough. And where there is only marketing, there is a scam.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 24 November 2021 11: 57
            -4
            Quote: Galleon
            All the aircraft listed by you have a Soviet history, and the current Russian SU-57 still cannot be completed and put into service.

            Does the historical past determine the possibility of adopting a product for service? The Soviet SU-27 and the Russian SU-35 have many differences. As for the SU-57, its technological level is much higher. To make a successful 5th generation aircraft with its stealth, cruising supersonic and "smart casing", and even without a printing press at its side - this is not a ram coughing. Dendrofecal technologies will not work. Well, 2022. not far away. I believe that we will see the 57th in combat units.
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 24 November 2021 12: 09
              +4
              Quote: Polite Elk
              Make a successful 5th generation aircraft with its stealth, cruising supersonic and "smart skin"

              The engine for cruising supersonic was designed and designed for quite some time - the Rybinsk plant announced the start of its production a year ago. There are no planes with these engines yet.
              Quote: Polite Elk
              Dendrofecal technologies will not work.

              I don't know what it is. Not a specialist. Do you think there are more and more of these technologies in aviation?
              You are giving reasonable arguments for the difficulties with the SU-57. Therefore, they only came to the exhibition to look at the model. Your arguments, with which I, of course, agree - justification of no reaction to powerful PR and smell instead of a flying prototype.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 24 November 2021 13: 10
                0
                Quote: Galleon
                The engine for cruising supersonic was designed and designed for quite some time - the Rybinsk plant announced the start of its production a year ago. There are no planes with these engines yet.

                Our designers set the bar for themselves very high. Do not forget that in addition to the cruising SZ, there is also the task of implementing the super-maneuverability mode. This is akin to harnessing a horse and a quivering doe in a carriage. The task is daunting. That is why I mentioned the impossibility of using dendrofecal technologies (in simple terms - from vna and branches).
                Quote: Galleon
                Do you think there are more and more of these technologies in aviation?

                I think that in aviation these technologies are not only less and less, but not at all. hi And the complexity of the task determines the timing of its completion. And don't forget about finances. hi
        4. Runoway
          Runoway 24 November 2021 11: 44
          +4
          And say the supply is limited

          So it goes without saying, have you seen the pace of assembly of the Su-57 ?! Here is a demonstration of the possibilities how much you can simultaneously produce the su-75.
          Again, I will thicken the colors, how many years have passed from the first flying prototype of the Su-57 to the first conveyor one? -voooot. What money to invest in, how to share it like a bear in the forest, no one has ever seen.
          And what ours promise
          promise doesn't mean getting married
          it's time to get used to it
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 24 November 2021 12: 52
            -1
            Quote: Runoway
            What money to invest in, how to share it like a bear in the forest, no one has ever seen.

            You reason, just like our MO. First, submit the bride, and then kalym (maybe). The article deals with the commercial voyage of our defense industry workers who need to assemble a "cooperative of equity holders". But they came across a tight-fisted and cunning people. I've voiced my thoughts aloud, so to speak.
            And you won't see a bear in the forest so easily. To begin with, you should at least buy vodka and a bus. hi
        5. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 24 November 2021 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: Polite Moose
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          That’s the problem with trust. He is not here.

          And I think it's not a matter of trust in the manufacturer. They are happy to take our SU-30, SU-35, etc. The point is in the work of the defense industry marketers. The presentation was beautiful, and they did not take care of creating a crowd in the queue. It would be possible for the same Serbs or Iranians (ideally also the Chinese, but this is unlikely) to be asked to conclude grandiose, but non-binding contracts for the supply of large consignments of Shahermats. According to the principle "if the plane takes place and the price is acceptable, then maybe later ..." And say that the supply is limited. Not enough for everyone. Hurry, fly in. I think that then the Arabs would react correctly.

          Did the nimble guys from Rosoboronexport take the dummies to Dubai to create the look of a queue for "hot cakes"? Can you imagine? The dummies are queuing up for the mock-up!
      5. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 November 2021 10: 19
        0
        This is fine. So they sold both F16 and F35 (one became the most massive in the 4th generation, the second will become in the 5th) ...... The Russian Federation does not have such a history of cooperation as the United States (the USSR would have with MiG15,17,21,19 and Mi2 and An-2 and An12 and something else) but there were questions with the commercial success of this and there is no longer that CMEA market and the Warsaw Pact .... and the Russian Federation does not have a history of full-fledged development of an aircraft with foreign partners ... from scratch. The USA, however, is also starting to mow with Turkey in F35
      6. 203-K
        203-K 24 November 2021 10: 42
        +1
        Especially in the military, there, in general, almost all aircraft are financed from the idea level for the purchase of a certain number of products. The question is in the credibility of the manufacturer and the quality of the aircraft.
        That is, you want to say that foreign countries order a full R&D cycle from a manufacturer in order to subsequently purchase a series? Interestingly, can you give examples of such an order in aviation?
        1. SergKam
          SergKam 24 November 2021 11: 28
          0
          foreign countries order a full R&D cycle from a manufacturer in order to subsequently purchase a series? Interestingly, can you give examples of such an order in aviation?

          Pakistan ordered JF-17 from China
          1. 203-K
            203-K 24 November 2021 15: 28
            0

            Pakistan ordered JF-17 from China
            Are you saying that China did not have such a development at all and they created a new aircraft from scratch with Pakistani money? So that we are so lucky - we would not want another to the aviation industry ...
            1. SergKam
              SergKam 24 November 2021 15: 35
              0
              Are you saying that China did not have such a development at all and they created a new aircraft from scratch.

              What do you understand by the phrase: "from scratch"?
              At the time of the conclusion of the contract, there was not even a layout.
              1. 203-K
                203-K 24 November 2021 16: 04
                0

                What do you understand by the phrase: "from scratch"?
                There was no prototype for such a development.
                At the time of the conclusion of the contract, there was not even a layout.

                This does not mean anything if something that has already been developed earlier, but is kept secret, is taken as a basis. If they showed the layout, then everything is already there. At least at the level of design documentation. I think so.
                1. SergKam
                  SergKam 24 November 2021 16: 30
                  0
                  If they showed the layout, then everything is already there. At least at the level of design documentation.


                  Let's just say: any design bureau takes developments from past, proven solutions.
                  The same ShakhMat received the engine and avionics from the Su-57, and that, in turn, received an improved engine from the Su-35, and the one from the Su-27, and the one improved from the Su-17 :).

                  But despite the fact that "everything is there", it can take many years from a model to a serial sample.
                  The same prototype of the Su-27 flew in 1977 and entered service in 1990.
                  1. 203-K
                    203-K 24 November 2021 22: 50
                    0
                    The same prototype of the Su-27 flew in 1977 and entered service in 1990.
                    It was within the country, and then there was a different relationship between the customer and the performers. And now it will be an interstate agreement with penalties. It is unlikely that the performer will want to take risks, which is why they take up the contract, knowing that it will be executed on time. So they have a reason for this.
      7. Wut lol
        Wut lol 24 November 2021 13: 46
        0
        Come on, how do you like an example of the Ka-50 Erdogan helicopter?
      8. vadim dok
        vadim dok 24 November 2021 17: 20
        +1
        That's right! The Russian Federation has not signed ANY contract for the finished MS-21 and the modernized Superjet, Not because the aircraft are bad, the reputation of servicing the aircraft is bad, but also that the Russian Federation is under sanctions and possibly new ones too!
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 24 November 2021 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      So what should you sign a contract for?
      About a year has passed since the appearance general information about the plane! What contracts ?! laughing
    3. knn54
      knn54 24 November 2021 09: 45
      +1
      -the UAE authorities “continue to rely on the supply of F-35.
      "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 24 November 2021 09: 50
      +4
      Actually, we are talking about "joint" development, or rather investing. But Brazil is already occupied by Grippen, India by Tejas, Korea is not an option nowadays, like Taiwan, but it also works with Indonesia. I am generally silent about Japan as well as about Europe, the example of the Yak-130 should not be forgotten. Argentina is weak, Turkey is dangerous, but still an option, but within a limited range of technology transfer. Iran under heavy sanctions. Pakistan, we will lose India.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 24 November 2021 10: 49
        0
        Tejas was born dead. A kind of analogue of INSAS, only with wings.
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 24 November 2021 10: 51
        0
        Our Turkey contracted to help with their 5th generation aircraft
      3. PARTY
        PARTY 25 November 2021 01: 33
        0
        Grippen and Tejas are the last generation, and Tejas, even in its own generation, is a very dubious device with a mediocre value for money. For the Indian aircraft industry, this is generally a success as an opportunity to master and test knowledge in this area, but the aircraft as a whole is not a competitor in the market. So there were quite a few opportunities for cooperation with India on 5th generation aircraft.
    5. akropin
      akropin 24 November 2021 09: 55
      +4
      I don't think everyone was waiting for a contract, there are no naive people in the world. We need powerful PR at the moment and intrigue. As far as I understand, there are no problems with this. I have no doubt that interested parties will now be very closely monitoring the appearance of the pre-production model.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 24 November 2021 11: 47
        +4
        Quote: akropin
        I don't think everyone was waiting for a contract, there are no naive people in the world.

        But in this, I think, you are mistaken. The leaders of all this perfume were waiting for contracts. They created a powerful PR and expected a return, but it turned out that there was not enough small - an airplane! Other such leaders of the aircraft industry also created a powerful PR around the Il-112, considering it insignificant to complete the plane itself for PR and give it normal engines. Only he did not fly in PR and our comrades, wonderful pilots ...
        In short, there is some kind of trend with this PR. The management is working, trying, promoting, and the aviation industry got crappy and sparsely at the exit.
    6. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 24 November 2021 10: 07
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      So what should you sign a contract for? To buy a layout? There is no plane yet - hardly anyone wants to buy a pig in a poke ...

      Really. Since no one had heard of him before, neither about developments, nor about intentions, nothing, and suddenly it emerges "like the devil out of a snuffbox." Everyone was just taken aback and still won't come to their senses. Therefore, it is the turn to look at it, touch it with your hands. There was no time to get used to it at all. Simple psychology. I think they were hiding because they wanted to surprise everyone, they thought it better. But alas, they did not take into account the psychology of people.
    7. Bar1
      Bar1 24 November 2021 10: 25
      -3
      Well, yes, rusfaner, at the price of plywood.
      1. Runner2022
        Runner2022 24 November 2021 11: 04
        -1
        As for plywood, this is at the Rostika Tank Building Corporation. There was a sample at the exhibition that will take off in the future
        1. Grits
          Grits 24 November 2021 13: 19
          0
          Quote: Runner2022
          There was a sample at the exhibition that will take off in the future

          Will take off, of course. The only question is - how many years (or decades)? By that time, the F-35 will be just getting old ...
    8. Stas157
      Stas157 24 November 2021 10: 31
      +3
      to the Checkmate pavilion queues lined up, but not a single contract for the purchase of a promising fighter by foreign customers was signed.

      It's just that the money is still being counted. Well, to order more!))

      The UAE is considering the possibility of acquiring fighters from Russia. As an option - Su-75 The Checkmate. But while he is still in the form of a layout.

      Here in the form of a layout let them take it. At least it will be the safest deal! Because, until they bring it to the real series, judging by the tradition of time shifts to the right, the plane can not wait.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 24 November 2021 12: 08
        +7
        The most interesting thing is that two weeks ago, in one of my comments, I predicted such a reaction and such headlines. Only I thought that the queues would take selfies with the layout, and there would be bravura headlines in the media. Get it wrong then ...
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    10. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 24 November 2021 12: 00
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      So what should you sign a contract for?

      It was considered with one of the potential counterparties to conclude a preliminary agreement of intent to conclude a contract in the future, but did not agree on penalties for refusing to conclude a contract.
    11. svp67
      svp67 24 November 2021 12: 30
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      So what should you sign a contract for?

      For the development and possible establishment of production on its territory ...
    12. New Year day
      New Year day 24 November 2021 13: 15
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      hardly anyone wants to buy a pig in a poke ...

      Rather plywood with perfume
    13. belovvladimir
      belovvladimir 24 November 2021 18: 31
      -1
      It is suggested that potential customers are waiting for Russia to lift this aircraft into the sky and when it will enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. After that, it is possible to sign contracts with foreign stakeholders.
      So the price, as the plane rises into the air and the wing becomes different, will be a little bit cheaper than Ф35, and let the turnips scratch!
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 24 November 2021 09: 31
    +6
    Foreign experts: "Queues were lined up for the Checkmate pavilion in Dubai, but no contracts for the fighter were signed"
    And what, someone expected, hoped that someone would rush to buy a "pig in a poke" ??? If NECESSARY, it is necessary to launch ... although no, they can still do the debt, bring it to mind. Nothing new, unexpected, in general.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 24 November 2021 09: 55
      -4
      I think that it is not needed, we don’t know where to attach the MiGs, and then there’s also a checkmate. If only exclusively for export as a cheap car?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 November 2021 10: 07
        +5
        What would be offered for export, one must have at least some operating experience, justification, tactics of application ... it does not work for ours, like minke whales, to sell what is not ...
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 24 November 2021 10: 19
          +3
          You're right. There is no plane, but I am already making some assumptions.
    2. AUL
      AUL 24 November 2021 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      And what, someone expected, hoped that someone would rush to buy a "pig in a poke" ???

      Moreover, it is still a bag, in which, perhaps, a cat will be put. Moreover, it is not clear when!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 November 2021 10: 23
        0
        That's right, that's why they don't buy, because they don't fly, yet.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2021 09: 35
    +6
    Well, it would be natural to wait and see how he flies.
    Although it may be cheaper to get into a contract at the "zero" stage, it can be too risky to buy an apartment at the stage of the foundation pit - but how will the construction be delayed? belay
  4. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 24 November 2021 09: 37
    -7
    And so it should have turned out. Perhaps there was a goal with some rich country to organize a joint development - as it were, the SU-75 is an initiative development, without government funding. And maybe it happened, it is simply not advertised?
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 November 2021 09: 41
    -1
    Foreign experts are as stupid as traffic jams, the contract is signed for the equipment existing in the metal, and not for talks about its creation.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 24 November 2021 09: 51
      +13
      But Boeing and a watermelon contract for 200-300 aircraft at the stage of a booklet with characteristics and layout of the cabin, and the plane is not even in the layout, but 3D. And another 200-500 at the stage of the aircraft layout.
      1. Runner2022
        Runner2022 24 November 2021 11: 06
        -3
        Yeah, Boeing and Airbus release a new model every year so that you can conduct such an analysis lol
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 November 2021 13: 23
        +1
        So they already offer on the basis of something previous, but ours so far only exists in the minds of designers, there is no need to compare the incomparable.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 24 November 2021 13: 51
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        But Boeing and a watermelon contract for 200-300 aircraft at the stage of a booklet with characteristics

        When did they not do what was drawn in the booklet? They did not question their reputation, because the world of civil aviation belongs to them
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 24 November 2021 09: 57
      -2
      The campaign in the Kremlin has already begun to rave. We got used to the fact that you can endlessly feed your people with promises and "breakfasts", so they decided that this would happen beyond the cordon.
      1. Runner2022
        Runner2022 24 November 2021 11: 00
        -7
        This is a site on military weapons, with your political slogans and slogans - go to Vladimir Rudolfovich or Gordon
  6. Fox_Fox
    Fox_Fox 24 November 2021 09: 53
    -3
    potential customers are waiting for when Russia will lift this aircraft into the sky and when it will enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces

    People go to the store to buy sausage, not invest in developing it.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 24 November 2021 10: 49
      0
      Quote: Fox_Fox
      People go to the store to buy sausage, not invest in developing it.

      Here we are talking more about raising money for the supply of sausage sets for the holiday.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 24 November 2021 13: 53
        -2
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Here we are talking more about raising money for the supply of sausage sets for the holiday.

        Previously, they sold a soup set, usually made of bones. There was no smell of sausage hi
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 24 November 2021 14: 12
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Previously, they sold a soup set, usually made of bones. There was no smell of sausage

          If we talk about "before", then it was - as anyone. Remember the slogan: "The people and the Party are one! But we eat different food!" drinks
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 24 November 2021 14: 14
            -2
            Quote: Polite Elk
            it was - as anyone.

            I don't know how it was at the top - probably good, but my family is from the bottom request
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 24 November 2021 14: 22
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              I don't know how it was at the top - probably good, but my family is from the bottom

              We're not counts here either. But, I think, our proletarian origin is hardly interesting to anyone in VO and has nothing to do with the topic of the article under discussion. hi
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 24 November 2021 10: 18
    0
    queues lined up for the Checkmate pavilion, but not a single contract

    Very funny.
    Designed for schoolchildren and "humanities".
    No contracts are entered into at exhibitions.
    There they solemnly sign contracts, which had been prepared for a long time and thoughtfully, negotiations, agreements, etc. were conducted. etc...
    1. Alexey Stepanov
      Alexey Stepanov 24 November 2021 10: 44
      -2
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      queues lined up for the Checkmate pavilion, but not a single contract

      Very funny.
      Designed for schoolchildren and "humanities".
      No contracts are entered into at exhibitions.
      There they solemnly sign contracts, which had been prepared for a long time and thoughtfully, negotiations, agreements, etc. were conducted. etc...

      Really?
      Russia wins $ 1,3 billion contracts at Dubai Air Show
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5078294
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 24 November 2021 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Stepanov
        Really?
        Russia wins $ 1,3 billion contracts at Dubai Air Show

        And how does that contradict what I wrote?
        1. Alexey Stepanov
          Alexey Stepanov 24 November 2021 10: 48
          0
          "Contracts are not concluded at exhibitions." - did not you write it? recourse
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 24 November 2021 10: 49
            0
            Quote: Alexey Stepanov
            "Contracts are not concluded at exhibitions." - did not you write it? recourse

            Let's talk about terms?
  8. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 24 November 2021 10: 32
    +1
    what In the development of the F-35, other countries participated only in money, at the expense of future deliveries. In this case, the American marketing of the developer and the US government worked.

    For example, in the automotive world, Ford in early 2020 intrigued his Bronco so much that there was a queue for pre-order. The first model was sold, if I'm not mistaken, for the price of a good sports car.
    In fact, there were complaints about the first Bronco models in operation ...
  9. Erich
    Erich 24 November 2021 10: 34
    -1
    A tip for patriots - "They pretended they did not sign, in fact, a bunch of contracts were concluded for 100500 aircraft")))
  10. jeka424
    jeka424 24 November 2021 10: 39
    +1
    there is no plane and no contract)))
  11. Shahno
    Shahno 24 November 2021 10: 41
    -2
    Quote: Lynx2000
    what In the development of the F-35, other countries participated only in money, at the expense of future deliveries. In this case, the American marketing of the developer and the US government worked.

    For example, in the automotive world, Ford in early 2020 intrigued his Bronco so much that there was a queue for pre-order. The first model was sold, if I'm not mistaken, for the price of a good sports car.
    In fact, there were complaints about the first Bronco models in operation ...

    Yes. But usually the conclusion of a contract is preceded by a long preliminary work ... They talk about super characteristics only after reliable guarantees have been obtained. In order not to lose face.
    If you do analogies with F35.
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 24 November 2021 15: 00
      0
      Quote: Shahno
      Yes. But usually the conclusion of a contract is preceded by a long preliminary work ... They talk about super characteristics only after reliable guarantees have been obtained. In order not to lose face.
      If you do analogies with F35.

      I agree, preliminary, before the conclusion of a contract for the supply of "goods" is preceded by work to assess the quality of the goods, its consumer properties, benefits from its implementation. However, as far as I know, the Americans (Fed. US government) carried out work to "attract" funds to finance the F-35 project from outside (other countries), when the F-35 was at the stage of working drawings, in other words, a "startup".
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 24 November 2021 10: 50
    +8
    Today I ran into such a garbage: I tried to put a "picture" from the Internet on the page! Alas, it didn't work out! "Conditions" for posting illustrations, photos from the Internet on the VO page have become much more difficult and practically impossible! (Some kind of "watermark" is required all the time; but it is absent in all the "pictures" that I needed!) It also became disgusting that there were no warnings or explanations from the VO administration! I believe that by its actions the administration of the VO expresses indifference towards the readers of the VO and contributes to a decrease in interest in the site!
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 24 November 2021 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Some kind of "watermark" is required all the time; and it is absent in all "pictures"

      This means fake "pictures".) But seriously, I have no idea what they mean by "watermarks" regarding pictures.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 24 November 2021 12: 55
        0
        Quote: 76SSSR
        I have no idea what they mean by "watermarks" regarding images.

        Here I am about the same! Moreover, when you click the "insert image" icon. A different "design" appears than it was before ... And this appeared only today! Moreover, illustrations that have been posted on the Internet for more than one year and have become very popular for a long time are not "inserted"!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 24 November 2021 10: 52
    +1
    In fact, everything is correct. Why induce the anger of the Americans. After all, the first buyer who comes across will be incinerated by the Americans in the media, through deep channels. And when the plane takes to the sky, then there will already be more clarity
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 November 2021 10: 53
    +8
    Foreign experts: "Queues were lined up for the Checkmate pavilion in Dubai, but no contracts for the fighter were signed"

    They are familiar with the contracts for "SSJ-100", "Yo-mobile", "Yotafon" ... And how many "miracles" and "analogs will pass away" that have not received the right to exist have passed by in 20 years ...
  15. Runner2022
    Runner2022 24 November 2021 10: 58
    -1
    I'm curious that there are people who, in the most serious manner, are discussing the versions, purchases - not purchases, of a new fighter.

    It is even more incomprehensible how the logic of the authors of such articles works. Everyone can see perfectly well that the plane has just been given a “start”. But everyone builds different versions, including conspiracy theories.

    Let's not compare the F-35 with the United States, which was built by all the countries of the Big Six, which are the “sixes” of the United States.
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 26 November 2021 13: 03
      -2
      Listen, well, you can be adequate. Do you only go crazy on aliens or are you more than one under this nickname?
  16. Fisherman
    Fisherman 24 November 2021 11: 13
    -3
    The time is such - the hegemon falls ... everyone quietly negotiates and contracts so that the hegemon does not drag him into the funnel out of anger :) Such contracts do not like noise ...
    1. Runner2022
      Runner2022 24 November 2021 11: 21
      -2
      In fact - to the point)
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 November 2021 11: 36
    +2
    How can a king buy a plane
    called "Death to the King" (checkmate)? lol
  18. Lukash
    Lukash 24 November 2021 12: 24
    +3
    Of course, Russia at the Dubai Air Show 2021 created a furor of plywood misunderstanding. But, importantly, no one showed interest in the non-flying, but "unparalleled in the world" fighter with the "amazing" Checkmate characteristics.

    Results of the Dubai Air Show 2021:
    Airbus received orders for 408 aircraft
    Boeing receives orders for 101 aircraft
    UAC received 0 orders for Superjet 100
    Irkut received 0 orders for MC-100
    1. Runner2022
      Runner2022 24 November 2021 12: 25
      -2
      ))

      During the air show, Rosoboronexport received requests for the supply of aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles for $ 2,5 billion, TASS reported on November 16, citing Rosoboronexport CEO Alexander Mikheev. In addition, on the sidelines of the exhibition, the company signed contracts worth $ 1,3 billion.

      The Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant began production of light tactical aircraft (LTS), better known as Checkmate or Su-75. This was announced during the Dubai Airshow by the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar, quoted by RBC.

      “At the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, work began on the construction of several Checkmates at the same time,” he said.
      1. Lukash
        Lukash 24 November 2021 12: 27
        -1
        I wonder why the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur never succeeds in making light tactical aircraft (LTS), better known as Checkmate or Su-75?
        And regarding the supply of aircraft - yes, there is a complete list, for example, 2 Mi-171A2 helicopters were purchased in Peru.
        A sensation at the Dubai Air Show 2021 - he is, you know, unpredictable!
        But the Bulgarians were delighted, that's for sure!
        1. Runner2022
          Runner2022 24 November 2021 12: 29
          -4
          Do you work part-time with Vanga? lol
  19. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 November 2021 13: 01
    +2
    Considering that at one time the Indians merged from the Su-57 project, because it was long and expensive, and also given the sanctions that the United States now likes to hand out for the purchase of our high-tech weapons, I am not surprised that there are not many who want to. The plane is still extremely abstract, despite the fact that its characteristics and functionality radiate some kind of fountain of potency and optimism. It is also worth noting that due to the COVID crisis with gold in stores, high-tech fans have become worse, and they began to make purchases more carefully. Well, it's not over yet - we have time to bring the layout to mind and make a demonstrator plane out of it. Then maybe all these tendencies will move
  20. seeker of truth 777
    seeker of truth 777 24 November 2021 13: 30
    0
    We know how to promote! buy one Su-75 and get a Russian Prado for free!
  21. Yakuza
    Yakuza 24 November 2021 20: 15
    -3
    Airplane made of plywood, asking for money for design and development? When, on what components - sanctions after all. The price is stated at the level of the Chinese export fighter, by the way with a phased array, and it is actually available.
    1. Runner2022
      Runner2022 25 November 2021 08: 21
      -1
      Plywood of the brain is treated by studying the materiel lol

      The Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant began production of light tactical aircraft (LTS), better known as Checkmate or Su-75. This was announced during the Dubai Airshow by the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar, quoted by RBC.

      “At the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, work began on the construction of several Checkmates at the same time,” he said.
  22. Alexey Lamonov
    Alexey Lamonov 25 November 2021 13: 58
    0
    It's too early. There are no floating copies, the development has just been presented, six months ago. There was a message about the start of construction of three copies in K-on-Amur.
  23. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 25 November 2021 14: 19
    0
    Not all at once
  24. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 25 November 2021 14: 37
    0
    The main thing is that there is no plane yet, and the stink has already been mixed for it. Probably already, the floor mats are ready and the finish of the tidy of what color is the veneer. Keep it up ))
  25. alystan
    alystan 25 November 2021 15: 44
    0
    And how should they write their news messages, designed mainly for the layman, their own and other countries loyal to them, when no one has canceled fakes and their task is to expose competitors and enemies in an unattractive light and losers. So they try to "work" in their usual way. This is fair competition, according to them. But if you just try to do this with them, you will immediately get the stigma of a Kremlin propagandist, provocateur and just a bribed journalist!
  26. Ol willy
    Ol willy 25 November 2021 17: 45
    0
    If the Chinese make a version of the J-20 for export, then the Asian market will be lost for us. Even if we consider the fifth generation fighter purely as a "symbol of prestige", then the Chinese have already overtaken us in this.
    1. Dreamshake
      Dreamshake 25 November 2021 21: 36
      -1
      Bad work means
  27. zenion
    zenion 25 November 2021 18: 27
    0
    Queues are lined up, but apparently no one knows to write in Russian. Here's what the USE did to them. But Comrade Lenin with a cry in his voice asked - you need to study, study, study. And the capitalists do not know what it is, they know speculation and make money.
  28. Brinks
    Brinks 26 November 2021 04: 08
    0
    Such contracts for products giving total superiority for many decades are rarely advertised. There is already a flight model, but it is a drone according to the hunter program, it differs from the model with a pilot and, in fact, is already the 6th generation. It will definitely go into service with the Russian Federation as a drone, as for the option with a pilot, there is no information at the moment
  29. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 26 November 2021 06: 55
    -1
    Here's a guy who made a layout for the TIE Interceptor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTvY9Llqtms There are no orders for it either for the Air Force of the Gulf and BRICS countries. So the combat readiness of the SU-75 is about the same as that of this model. So there is nothing to be surprised at. You can make a mockup of anything. At least TIE Interceptor, at least TIE Fighter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn4xEan8hEU At least a Klingon Bird of Prey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GruU3VFS-p0 there are cartoons too. But not a single Air Force orders. They order neither TIE FIGHTER, nor TIE INTERCEPTOR, nor Klingon Bird of Prey, nor SU-75 .. The combat readiness of all 4x is the same. And no one will order the SU-75 until the Russian Air Force takes it into service, and MASSOVO at that. The USA was led smarter. When they sold the F-5E, they themselves also took it into service. And when the F-20 was created, it was a great aircraft. But since it was not in service with the US Air Force, no one bought it. And the F-20 is the same age as the F-16, and endured the early models of the F-16. And unlike the more expensive F16, the F20 could use Air Air SPARROW rockets. but since it is not in service with the US Air Force. So nobody bought it. And with the SU-75 (when it finally ceases to be a model and a cartoon), it will be the same. No matter how good it was (see F-20), if the Russian Air Force does not take it into service with MASSOVO, no one will buy a nifiga.
  30. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 26 November 2021 09: 19
    0
    Checkmate

    When will this outrageousness end? Are there not enough Russian words?