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Glasgow 2021. Russia's green footprint

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The green official is also an official



The Glasgow International Summit Conference, thanks to the significant expansion of the G26, is now well known as COPXNUMX and was considered to be purely green. The official name - "Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change" also corresponded to this.

In the current realities, this is almost a guarantee of success, but evil tongues called the summit a failure even before the start.

How else - after all, three leaders of those countries that make a very, very significant contribution to environmental pollution - China, Russia and Brazil - did not come to the ancient Scottish city at once.

The fact that the Russian and Brazilian presidents, as well as the leader of the PRC did not arrive in Glasgow for quite worthy reasons, was simply ignored by the European and American press. However, the big "green crowd" itself seems to have shown that the matter is not at all in the presence and absence of top officials.

The discussions in Glasgow, unexpectedly for the uninitiated, turned out to be quite constructive. Instead of primitive propaganda, everything turned into a rather deep and convincing presentation of real deeds and specific projects. And the first roles were taken not by agitators, but by professionals.

The trend of the Glasgow summit was - "to prevent the transformation of the global environmental trend into another feeding trough for the new generation of bureaucrats." And just this, by all external, at least, signs, became the reason that as soon as COP26 ended, the world media immediately "forgotten" it.

But they forgot for another reason.

Not least because it was in Glasgow that many drew attention to the big changes in the mentality of the very environmental political shuffle. Which have already happened since the "green" parties first declared themselves in earnest.

Few have paid attention to how many media outlets, long registered as "conservative" and even "reactionary", now assess the very birth of the informal "Greta Thunberg's party". Previously, most of them simply "adored Greta and her friends."

Today, things are no longer quite the case - the ecological movement is increasingly called decorative, and in general is characterized as an attempt to save not the planet, but, in fact, the ecological idea and the movement of ecologists itself.

From whom to save?

It seems from ourselves.

And to be absolutely precise - to save from politicians who are ready to arrogate to themselves the monopoly right to dictate the conditions, both of the notorious energy transition, and of who and how will steer the process.

Adaptation and disposal


Note that Russia, unlike, for example, the United States, which, if necessary, is ready to spit on any norms, and among other things - on the Paris climate agreement and the "nuclear deal", in terms of ecology is very tolerant. So, in Glasgow, our delegation, without unnecessary disputes, joined the collection of 5% from the turnover of carbon units.

The “greens” have already recorded this collection in the list of their great achievements. But how they know how to count is evidenced by at least this observation, which, by the way, was made public in Glasgow. During one of the seminars, when another professional ecologist made a presentation of the next project on wind energy, the whole effect was ruined by one of the journalists.


He simply reminded that the installation with a capacity of only 2 megawatts, something like a boiler house for one city block, is made of 260 tons of steel, or, even worse, although now more fashionable, from composite materials.

How much iron ore or other raw materials, as well as electricity, and hence oil or coal, will be required for their production, the colleague did not have time to voice. His speech was neatly, not irrevocably "banned", as it is now called.

Nevertheless, the sediment did not go anywhere, and the authors, returning from Glasgow, sought out numerous publications, which is called "in the subject." Unambiguously testifying that so far none of the most modern of the "windmills" is capable of generating as much energy as is actually invested in its production.

We will generally keep silent about utilization, since we consider any disputes about the need to adapt the world economy to climate change as non-constructive. And we ourselves are voting for the creation of the notorious adaptation fund, which will be formed at the expense of that very 5 percent.

Five percent hope


We must not forget that the 5% tax will be collected only on those carbon units that are authorized at the international level by a special body at the UN. To argue with the UN is, you see, not our approach.


Photo: government.ru

Moreover, as reminded the head of the Russian delegation in Glasgow, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Alexei Overchuk (pictured), all countries that participated in COP26 have joined the centralized mechanism for recognizing environmental harm.

Recall that the Russian position on the need to “make low-carbon development a source of economic growth and diversification, and not a brake on it,” voiced by the Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Maxim Reshetnikov, no one in Glasgow even tried to dispute. It is possible that due to the collapse of gas prices.

But beyond that, Glasgow took the first and most important step towards green nuclear energy recognition. Moreover, this became a logical continuation of the recognition of the principle of technological neutrality, which our country is now defending together with China and a number of developing countries.

The essence of this principle boils down to the fact that "it is unacceptable to discriminate between the results of emission reductions and increased removals depending on the technologies that provided them."

According to the Russian minister, "if a technology, solution or type of project helps to reduce net emissions, this should be recognized as a real reduction." Reshetnikov also noted that

“For climate preservation, it is important to reduce or absorb carbon dioxide, not who and how achieved it. Our choice is less emotions, more calculations. We are looking for a balance in order to fulfill international obligations and obligations to Russian business and citizens. "

There is hardly any need to explain that, first of all, such an approach should apply to nuclear and hydropower. Moreover, it is obviously appropriate to work towards reducing emissions and producing carbon credits, first of all, where energy projects are more efficient and bring real benefits.

The Russian delegation in Glasgow not only defended the peaceful atom and fought for interest, but also presented something like a project to create a national climate control system. The project is based on the norms of the federal law "On limiting greenhouse gas emissions", but in terms of a number of parameters it can be called a breakthrough.

Among other things, it envisages launching an experiment on greenhouse gas emission quotas and quotas trading on Sakhalin. Deputy Prime Minister A. Overchuk, leaving Glasgow, reminded reporters that:

“The Russian position is a pragmatic and calculated transition to environmentally friendly technologies. When the main thing is not to worsen, but on the contrary, to improve the quality of life and accelerate economic growth ”.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding 27 November 2021 15: 08
    +1
    it envisages the launch of an experiment on greenhouse gas emission quotas and quotas trading on Sakhalin

    about Sakhalin the topic has not been disclosed
    what are the quotas proposed to trade?
    1. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 27 November 2021 15: 37
      +1
      The green official is also an official

      But for some reason, it very often turns out to be blue for verification ...

      Here is such a Euro-ecological paradox! A deep energy transformation is taking place.
    2. knn54
      knn54 27 November 2021 15: 43
      +3
      D. Rodari's solutions to life!
      Western drones have introduced an "Air Tax".
      The increase in the content of CO2 in the atmosphere is not a cause, but a consequence.
      First of all, because of the felling of trees. Especially in the Amazon basin, and this is, without exaggeration, the lungs of our planet.
      Only the lazy does not know where the unique wood goes.
      1. Usher
        Usher 28 November 2021 14: 16
        +2
        The lungs of the planet are the Ocean. Not forests.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 28 November 2021 15: 49
          -6
          The lungs of the planet are the Ocean. Not forests.
          those. does the ocean absorb carbon dioxide and give off oxygen? good EG, how many points did you pass?
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 28 November 2021 20: 08
            -2
            sho ... two more victims of EG minus))) Botany now that they don't go to school? Or do you not distinguish the evaporated water from the ocean from the oxygen released by the forests (which you single-celled breathe together with nitrogen)? wassat O! already the third victim minusanula)))
          2. Usher
            Usher 28 November 2021 20: 48
            +2
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            The lungs of the planet are the Ocean. Not forests.
            those. does the ocean absorb carbon dioxide and give off oxygen? good EG, how many points did you pass?

            I graduated from high school when no one heard of EG. And he studied to be an ecologist))) You will not believe, but the bulk of carbon is bound by marine organisms. All oil and gas are marine sediments. This is carbon that was taken from the atmosphere, while releasing oxygen))) And this is done by photosynthetic bacteria, which created an oxygen atmosphere. Carbon enters the atmosphere due to geological processes, volcanoes, etc., and microorganisms and plants break down water and bind carbon in tissues, which are deposited in layers after death. If my memory serves me right, I am not currently working by profession.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 29 November 2021 09: 11
              -2
              You will not believe
              I didn’t seem to drink with YOU. And yes, on matters of faith, as they say - to the church.
              I graduated from high school when they didn't hear about EG
              me too. Or since then, forests have ceased to be called the "green lungs of the planet"? Well maybe! A lot is changing. And it turns out that the USSR was going to attack "defenseless Germany."
              And he studied to be an ecologist)
              and I studied in addition to the main specialty also as a navigator. But did not work by profession and ....?
              microorganisms and plants break down water and bind carbon, in tissues, which are deposited in layers after death
              I know where the coal and oil come from. I understood who and how carbon binds. So who supplies the bulk of oxygen? Microorganisms or forests?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 29 November 2021 10: 26
                +3
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                Or since then, forests have ceased to be called the "green lungs of the planet"?

                It's just that at the time when this phrase appeared and spread, the role of the ocean was not yet sufficiently studied.
                Now the concept has changed:
                The oceans are the "lungs" of the planet and the largest producer of oxygen. It helps regulate the global climate and is the primary source of water that sustains all life on the planet, from coral reefs to snow-capped peaks, forests and rivers. In addition, the oceans are reducing the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, benefiting all of humanity.
                © UN News
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                And it turns out that the USSR was going to attack "defenseless Germany."

                In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle. ©
              2. Usher
                Usher 29 November 2021 23: 11
                0
                How gentle we are all here, I don’t know YOU. And he began to write like this, because you write game! Plants do not supply oxygen, they are also consumers. The forest in the night phase also absorbs oxygen. Oxygen is also consumed due to rotting wood. And ocean microorganisms supply 90% of the oxygen to the atmosphere.
    3. Anachoret
      Anachoret 27 November 2021 15: 50
      +11
      The environmental agenda on a global scale does not pursue any positive goal for mankind) the main thing is to throw another collar with obligations that hold back the development of countries that are not included in the "light-faced west") and the aggravation of Anglo-Saxon control over the world economy and the legally justified robbery of all unwanted ones) after all, who considers quotas and as he believes) always remains in the shadows and with vague electoral criteria) how the “war” against doping in sports has long developed into political sanctions wars against those unwanted by the Anglo-Saxon world))
  2. Crowe
    Crowe 27 November 2021 15: 19
    +12
    quote number times
    “The secret of the success of this organization lies in the secret of the success of its creator: no matter what is truth, it is only important what people consider to be the truth. You are what the press portrayed you to be. The organization has turned into a myth and, at the same time, into a machine for creating this myth. "
    quote number two
    “Machiavellianism and mysticism played equal roles in shaping the organization’s worldview. At times it reached the level of religious fervor, and at other times it reached the point of cruelty bordering on barbarism. Corruption and greatness went hand in hand, reaping their fruits. "
    These two phrases were not said at all about the North Atlantic Alliance. Not about the Italian "Cosa Nostra" and not about one of the terrorist "brigades". Not about a totalitarian sect that sucks money out of millions of fanatics. Not about an information empire that has gripped the Earth like an octopus. And even the notorious Masonic lodges have a very distant relation to these statements. It was about Greenpeace, the most powerful and most famous international environmental organization in the world today. The first phrase belongs to its co-founder Paul Watson, who eventually founded the rival environmental society, The Sea Shepherd. The second quote is from the book "Warriors of the Rainbow" by another co-founder and spiritual father of Greenpeace, Robert Hunter.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 November 2021 15: 27
    +2
    How else - after all, three leaders of those countries that make a very, very significant contribution to environmental pollution - China, Russia and Brazil - did not come to the ancient Scottish city at once.

    Who counted it?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 27 November 2021 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Who counted it?

      And as he thought ... here Russia can be credited with methane emissions from the northern seas, and the Spaniards then the eruption of the Cumbre Vieja volcano on La Palma began on September 19 and how much has already flown out into the atmosphere ...
    2. Sankiny
      Sankiny 27 November 2021 17: 00
      +2
      one who can count to three)))
  4. Old electrician
    Old electrician 27 November 2021 15: 46
    +17
    In 1761 M.V. Lomonosov discovered the atmosphere on Venus. Since this atmosphere was very dense, it was decided that it was completely covered by water inhabited by humanoids.
    In 1967, Venus-4 transmitted a temperature of 28 ° C from an altitude of 262 km above the surface of Venus, after which it was crushed by atmospheric pressure. This was the end of the Venusian humanoids. In 1970, Venus-7 established that the surface pressure was ≈90 atm at a temperature of ≈500 ° C.
    For the genocide of humanoids it was necessary to answer. And it was then that the popularizer of science K.E. Sagan (USA) invented the "greenhouse effect". Of course, his model was obtained without any scientific research and has nothing to do with the principle of the greenhouse.
    Then classic charlatanism and speculation on CO2 begin. Greenhouse Quote:
    In fact, the gas envelope of the planet Venus is a giant greenhouse. It is capable of transmitting solar heat, but does not release it outside, simultaneously absorbing the radiation of the planet itself. The absorbers are carbon dioxide and water vapor. The greenhouse effect also occurs in the atmospheres of other planets. But if in the atmosphere of Mars it raises the average temperature near the surface by 9 °, in the atmosphere of the Earth - by 35 °, then in the atmosphere of Venus this effect reaches 400 degrees!

    It is not known how this data was obtained magically. Moreover. If this were true, then we would have frozen out long ago, because the Earth receives 50% of the light energy of the Sun in the IR range.
    Not a single gas, including carbon dioxide, can serve as a screen from the IR, because any heated gas glows in the IR range, i.e. gives off its warmth. This is easy to test empirically: stand with your bare booty closer to a fire, screened with a sheet of iron that does not allow IR to pass through, and wait about half an hour. You will be surprised, but instead of the greenhouse effect, you will get a well-done ass.
    For the Earth, clouds are the main greenhouse gas that does not allow IR to pass through. Therefore, even if you believe in the spells of the greenhouses, then in this case the influence of CO2 on the Earth's climate is vanishingly small. It remains to add that there is no reliable evidence that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased. Well, do not believe in the sensational report that an increase in CO2 was recorded in Hawaii - near a permanent volcano.
    Conferences on CO ”are reminiscent of the rituals of shamans. So, for example, the Maya Indians were deeply convinced that it was enough to gut a couple of hundred muzhuk on the sacrificial stone, and the blessed rain would begin. True, this did not prevent them, even before the arrival of the conquistadors, almost all from hunger from the fact that the climate became more arid.
    The UWB's position on the issue of promoting the idea of ​​the "greenhouse effect" is extremely simple - they seek to gain control over the economies of countries beyond their control. Well, then the brilliant work of the propaganda apparatus of the Empire of Good.
    In November 2009, unidentified individuals circulated an archive file via the Internet that contained information stolen from the Climatology Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia (UEA). This department is one of the three main providers of climate data for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at the UN (!). By analogy with Watergate, this scandal was called "Climategate".
    The contents of the archive made it possible for critics of the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) to argue that climatologists who advocate the theory of AGW:
    • hide information about the climate from opponents of the theory;
    • delete files and correspondence, just not to disclose them in accordance with the laws on freedom of information;
    • distort the results of observations in order to confirm global warming;
    • prevent the publication of scientific papers that do not agree with their views.
    Most egregious was the public acknowledgment that the apologists of the AGP theory deliberately underestimated the temperatures of the medieval warm period in order to present modern temperatures as unprecedentedly high.
    If these "jokes" were not behind huge money and government interests, then within an hour after the start of "Climategate" all charlatans from science would have flown out of the CRU and UEA, overtaking their screeching! However, the scandal was quickly hushed up, without any consequences for the charlatans.
    By the way about the birds. Carl Sagan, neither conducting a single experiment, nor setting a single experiment, immediately derived two mutually exclusive theories:
    1. Industry emits carbon dioxide, so there is a greenhouse effect, due to which the Earth will burn out like Venus. The soot arising during the work of the industry does not affect the climate.
    2. The use of nuclear weapons will lead to massive fires, clouds of soot will rise into the sky and a nuclear winter will come. The carbon dioxide generated during these fires does not affect the climate.
    According to the first theory, advanced by the Americans through the UN, the whole world should reduce its industrial development and reduce the level of production. In addition to the UWB, of course, which spat on the Kyoto agreements.
    According to the second theory, the whole world (except for the UWB, of course) should renounce nuclear weapons.
    Isn't it well conceived ?!
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 27 November 2021 17: 17
      0
      clouds of soot will rise into the sky and a nuclear winter will come.
      Soviet scientists also supported the theory of "nuclear winter". And the level of Soviet science was very good.
      distort observations to confirm global warming
      I myself saw the difference between a photo of three (!) Years ago and the reality of standing by a glacier in Iceland. And the old chauffeur also told what he (the glacier) was like when he was still in school.
      1. Old electrician
        Old electrician 28 November 2021 05: 15
        +4
        Soviet scientists also supported the theory of "nuclear winter". And the level of Soviet science was very good.
        - the level of Soviet science was really not bad, but there were also a lot of Soviet scientists rogues like Karl Sagan. In the USSR, they were ready to passionately kiss the American coattails, and now they rule over Russian science and education.
        Carl Sagan's "theory" of the greenhouse effect is based on the wild notions of infrared radiation from the early 70th century. The nonsense that underlies the "greenhouse effect" was refuted back in the same XIX century, but the law is not written to American fools. In the USSR, Sagan's description of the "greenhouse effect" was published in the early XNUMXs. Currently, no one dares to re-publish this nonsense, because it will be the end of the green movement. There is no description of the Sagan greenhouse effect even on Wikipedia. One can only believe in the “greenhouse effect, as one believes in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
        The Sagan greenhouse effect is very simple. According to the unsuccessful experiments of the XNUMXth century, taken for Sagan at face value, glass transmits light only in the visible range and, supposedly, ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT PASS IR radiation - already nonsense at the level of the problem statement. According to Sagan, the glass of the greenhouse transmits visible light, which heats the earth. The earth begins to emit IR, which does not release glass, but which heats the air. Therefore, the greenhouse heats up. For Earth, Sagan replaced glass with greenhouse gases. I can only repeat once again that all this is nonsense that has nothing to do with physics.
        In fact, the role of glass in a greenhouse is to isolate its volume from the entry of cold air through the walls and not let the heated air out. The heating of the air in the greenhouse is due to convection from the ground, the existence of which the Outstanding American Scientist Sagan simply does not suspect. Cooling of the greenhouse due to the free exit of IR through the glass is minimal, it can be neglected. I repeat once again: the Earth receives 50% of its heat in the IR range. If there was at least a drop of truth in Sagan's delirium, we would be frozen fucking cold.
        According to the physics of the atmosphere, studied for a long time, the atmosphere absorbs only 4% of the entire range of light radiation from the sun. Moreover, most of this absorption is due not to IR, but to Rayleigh scattering. Have you seen the blue sky overhead? This is Rayleigh scattering. If the atmosphere was warmed up by solar radiation, as Parnicoids rave about it, then November, December, January and February in the Northern Hemisphere would be the warmest years. Because during these months, sunlight in the atmosphere makes the maximum path, and, therefore, heats it up more than in summer.
        The climate on Earth has already changed several times. The Huron glaciation began 2,4 billion years ago and ended 2,1 billion years ago. The atmosphere of the earth at that time had no oxygen and consisted of CO2 and methane. During the Huron glaciation, the Earth was covered with ice for 300 million years. Where is the greenhouse effect? The next global glaciation, called "Earth - snowball", fell on 850-630 million years ago. Then the equator was covered with a multi-meter layer of ice. At the end of this period, oxygen began to be released into the earth's atmosphere. Accordingly, a decrease in the content of CO2 and methane began in the atmosphere. Those. if we return the previous 100% concentration of CO2, will we freeze out? The climate changes periodically, but what does carbon dioxide have to do with it? I wake up every morning at sunrise, but that doesn't mean I roll that sun out by hand.
        The concept of nuclear winter is based on the weather effects from the eruption of the Tambora volcano in Indonesia in 1815. The eruption spawned global climatic anomalies, including the phenomenon of "volcanic winter", and in 1816, due to unprecedented low temperatures in Europe and North America, became known as the "year without summer."
        The explosion power of Tambora is estimated at 800 megatons, the total power of modern nuclear weapons is about 1000 megatons. However, even if all of the Earth's nuclear weapons simultaneously explode in one place, then we will not get even a miserable semblance of the Tambora effect. During the explosion of Tambora, a one-time release of volcanic material into near space (at an altitude of about 60-80 km) amounted to about 150-180 cubic kilometers. In principle, it is impossible to achieve such an effect with the help of nuclear weapons. When a volcano shoots out ash, it can be compared to a cannon. In contrast, the nuclear mushroom rises to the top due to the fact that it is hotter than the surrounding atmosphere. The products of the explosion of tactical nuclear weapons barely reach the upper border of the troposphere. The "mushrooms" of the most powerful thermonuclear ammunition barely reach the top of the stratosphere. The volume of these "mushrooms" is not commensurate with the volume of volcanic ash in the explosion of supervolcanoes, such as Tambora. Anything can be simulated on a computer. However, for example, the massive fires of oil wells during the Iraqi war did not lead not only to a global, but even to a short-term local cooling.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 28 November 2021 11: 04
        0
        They fool our brother. In Antarctica there is a pole of inaccessibility, a temporary station was installed on it and a monument to Lenin was erected in the late 50s. A stele and a bust on it. So in 2007 the English expedition hummed, when Lenin met them, a small part of the stele was visible And the bust. In 2018, Valdis Pelsh was the last to see him, only the bust stuck out. Most likely it was already completely skidded. The height of the monument is 3,5 meters. It's just that all this water from melted glaciers moves to Antarctica. The ocean level has not risen. hi
      3. Usher
        Usher 28 November 2021 14: 21
        0
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        clouds of soot will rise into the sky and a nuclear winter will come.
        Soviet scientists also supported the theory of "nuclear winter". And the level of Soviet science was very good.
        distort observations to confirm global warming
        I myself saw the difference between a photo of three (!) Years ago and the reality of standing by a glacier in Iceland. And the old chauffeur also told what he (the glacier) was like when he was still in school.

        As if the normal state of the planet is when there are no ice caps at the poles.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 November 2021 15: 50
    0
    One of the Russian positions, it is necessary to introduce lowering coefficients because of the forest area. Here Europe has a full ass, it turns out that this is not a common asset. Plus India sang Jimi, Jimi, acha acha. The meaning is this: Energy-producing countries use coal to reduce their consumption Not stepwise, but smoothly. That is, not how. Greta and the can merged in bitter tears. Capitalism defeated politicians.
  6. AB
    AB 27 November 2021 16: 01
    +10
    It is necessary for all the "green" and those involved in them to be forcibly sent to plug up volcanoesas it is the main source of pollution of the planet. This will immediately solve absolutely all problems. Volcanoes will continue their work, but the "green" ones will no longer spoil the environment.
    1. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 27 November 2021 16: 51
      0
      It is necessary for all the "green" and those involved in them to be forcibly sent to plug up volcanoes, since this is the main source of pollution of the planet.


      If you believe scientists who are seriously involved in this topic, then this is no longer the case and human activity makes a significant contribution to the emission of CO2, methane, etc., you can simply calculate how much oil, gas, coal is produced per year, how much methane is emitted by cattle, etc.
      But another question is, why fight this, why “green algae” could change the composition of the atmosphere, but people cannot. The climate, it will change, no matter what they do, maybe more slowly, but everything will change exactly. Well, secondly, I strongly doubt that now the entire population is ready to give up "consumption" and move on to reducing the carbon footprint.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 November 2021 17: 08
        0
        The same question, who calculated it and by what method?
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 27 November 2021 17: 32
          0
          Data on resource extraction are publicly available (oil, gas, coal), methane emissions by cattle are also estimated fairly reliably. Therefore, the anthropogenic factor has a place to be, another thing is that it also arose naturally in the same way, the development of mankind, I doubt that now developed countries will want to abandon cars, hot water, air conditioners, electricity, dairy products, meat, etc.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 28 November 2021 08: 44
            0
            Make an accurate plate of who, what and how much with confirmed signatures of at least 2/3 of the countries, then a conversation is possible. In the meantime, I do not see anything other than chatter at the high-level likely level. Hello green.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 November 2021 21: 59
        +1
        And water vapor should be banned all over the planet, since 60% of the greenhouse effect on planet Earth is created by it.
      3. Usher
        Usher 28 November 2021 20: 49
        0
        Quote: ViacheslavS
        It is necessary for all the "green" and those involved in them to be forcibly sent to plug up volcanoes, since this is the main source of pollution of the planet.


        If you believe scientists who are seriously involved in this topic, then this is no longer the case and human activity makes a significant contribution to the emission of CO2, methane, etc., you can simply calculate how much oil, gas, coal is produced per year, how much methane is emitted by cattle, etc.
        But another question is, why fight this, why “green algae” could change the composition of the atmosphere, but people cannot. The climate, it will change, no matter what they do, maybe more slowly, but everything will change exactly. Well, secondly, I strongly doubt that now the entire population is ready to give up "consumption" and move on to reducing the carbon footprint.

        well, we live in an ice age)
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 27 November 2021 16: 21
    +2
    Nevertheless, the sediment did not go anywhere, and the authors, returning from Glasgow, sought out numerous publications, which is called "in the subject." Unambiguously testifying that so far none of the most modern of the "windmills" is capable of generating as much energy as actually invested in its production
    ... But this is BEAUTIFUL !!! Although, similar in content, nuances, facts, PROBLEMS, you can collect a lot and NOBODY will say, does not know how to avoid them, level them painlessly from a green point of view.
    Taking care of the cleanliness of our habitat is NECESSARY, no one argues with this for a long time ... only technologies such that they would not be "golden" are not yet available!
    1. Sankiny
      Sankiny 27 November 2021 17: 41
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      what would not be "gold", not yet!

      when I was "small" - (deputy director for safety, environmental protection, etc.), then at one of the training seminars they said that in order to restore nature to its original state, measures are needed more than 100 times in finance, than what was taken from nature. This was before the Kyoto agreement.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 November 2021 18: 55
        0
        You still have to do "green things".
        Not because they will force, but because a lot needs to be done.
        Intellectually, on a scientific basis ... it will be a long, expensive business, but without it there is no way.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 November 2021 21: 44
          +1
          [quote = rocket757] You still have to do "green things".
          Not because they will force, but because a lot needs to be done.
          In the mind, on a scientific basis ... it will be a long, expensive business, but without it there is no way. [/ Quote]
          To begin with, just talk them into
          [quote = Lech from Android.] All this is a scam, and all these games are started with Greta Thunberg, greens, quotas and other games just for the purpose of profit for the elite. [/ quote
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 27 November 2021 22: 30
            0
            Apparently, ours, the Chinese, probably there will still be those who are not going to persuade anyone ... because you cannot come to an agreement with crazy people.
            As always, there are detours, along another street or something else.
            There will be a bash for a bash, otherwise they will not succeed. For now, at least.
            And then further, let's see how it will be.
            We must remember that the green agenda already exists and we will have to adapt to it, in our own way, and even better in the company of the same independent states, in their decisions and interests.
            Something like this ...
  8. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 27 November 2021 16: 45
    +1
    All this is a scam, and all these games are started with Greta Thunberg, greens, quotas and other games just for the purpose of profit for the elite.
  9. Sankiny
    Sankiny 27 November 2021 18: 01
    +2
    [/ quote] The project is based on the norms of the federal law "On limiting greenhouse gas emissions", but for a number of parameters it can be called a breakthrough. [Quote]


    Gore (silence) lambs (with wolves). Example. The border of the Pskov region and the Baltic countries is a green zone (trees), the Balts have +++ buns, after 30 km, in the Russian Federation trees no longer emit useful gas (unlike Biden))), these are the preliminary calculations of the "eurogreen". Russia does not have the strength and means to fight for every useful tree. Therefore, Sakhalin will pay, because "Evan" crabs do not emit into the environment, causing irreparable harm to it, unlike, for example, Japanese crabs.
  10. fiberboard
    fiberboard 27 November 2021 18: 43
    -3
    And they don't want to see our "leader" anywhere.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 November 2021 04: 58
      0
      Even if you imagine that it is, and so it is only the pros. But to your regret, in this case, he refused himself)
  11. Palmyra
    Palmyra 27 November 2021 19: 21
    +2
    A question with cows that farted, was there a reshon at the summit too? winked
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 27 November 2021 20: 55
      +2
      Yeah. With balsa wood.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 November 2021 22: 01
      +1
      Regarding the problems of gas shortages in the EU, they decided to produce it themselves on the same ecological basis.