Riddles of "Tapestry from Bayeux". "Creaking goose feathers ..." - historiography of the Norman conquest of England

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Riddles of "Tapestry from Bayeux". "Creaking goose feathers ..." - historiography of the Norman conquest of England
Tapestry is an amazing source of information about the life and life of people in 1066. Here is a scene in which Duke William, or Guillaume or William (you can argue which is more correct, you can endlessly) gives Harold weapons. However, look - not so much his military outfit is very different from the armor of ordinary soldiers. First of all, it is a long chain mail with a slit and a helmet with a nosepiece and ... that's it. And for some reason, Harold's sword scabbard is covered with chain mail, so that his handle comes out of it through the slot. Why this is so is completely unclear! It is also interesting that William has striped and clearly knitted stockings on his feet.

"What is written with a pen, do not cut out with an ax"
The proverb is given in the book "Proverbs of the Russian people" (1853) by V.I. Dahl (section - "Diploma")

Rarities stories. Last time we ended our story of the Bayeux tapestry with a story about how King Harold defeated the Norwegians at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, and the ships of the Duke of Normandy's army went to sea and headed for the shores of England. But ... since all this has already happened and will never change, let's step aside a little from the purely historical description of the paintings on the tapestry and get acquainted with its own history, that is, where it came from, who embroidered it and how it has survived to this day. In addition, as it turned out, many readers of VO are more concerned about the question - how did people even know about the Battle of Hastings in addition to the "pictures" of Bayeux tapestry?

In fact, the earliest reports of the Battle of Hastings did not come to us from the British, or even from the Norman-Normans. It turns out that they were recorded in a completely different part of France, although also in the north. The times were then feudal, and one should not be surprised that all the then states, although they were considered subject to their monarch, in fact were a real patchwork quilt from the possessions of individual lords. France was no exception! The king's power here was strong only in his domain, and in the rest of the lands he was only ... their nominal ruler. For example, Normandy enjoyed great independence, and here's why.




All the persons on the tapestry are recognizable even without signatures. Here is Harold, who is very easy to recognize by his protruding mustache ...

The fact is that the Duchy of Normandy was formed in 911, after the King of France Charles the Simple (or the Simple, which sounds both more euphonious and more worthy) despaired of putting an end to the Viking raids, and decided to cede land near the city of Rouen to the Viking leader Rollo (or Rollon, in different sources in different ways) and lost! Duke Guillaume or Wilhelm in the Russian historiographic tradition was Rollon's great-great-great-grandson. The duchy gradually expanded, so that in 1066 its rulers were able to extend their power from the Cherbourg Peninsula to the mouth of the Som River. As such, the Normans who settled there by this time had become almost real French: they spoke French, followed French customs, and they also became Catholics. But they remembered well about their origin and were proud of their violent past. As for the French neighbors of the former Normans, they feared the strengthening of this duchy and did not mingle with the newcomers from the North.

To the north and east of Normandy lay the lands of Count Guy of Poitou and his relative Count Eustace II of Bolon. In the 1050s, both the one and the other were at enmity with Normandy, but when Duke William went to England, they supported him. Why? Yes, simply because they considered it beneficial for themselves! So it’s not even surprising that the earliest record of the Battle of Hastings was made by a French (and by no means Norman!) Bishop Guy of Amiens, who was the uncle of Count Guy of Poitou and at the same time a cousin of… Count Eustace of Bologna. And Bishop Guy wrote a detailed poem in Latin, which he called "The Song of the Battle of Hastings."


What a handsome man he is, if you look at him more closely!

They knew that it exists for a long time from other sources, but they found two copies of the "Song" of the XII century only in 1826, in the royal library of Bristol - and then quite by accident. It is possible to date the "Song" both in 1067 and 1074-1075, when Bishop Guy died. Interestingly, it gives a French (not Norman) version of the events of 1066. At the same time, its author made the hero of the Battle of Hastings not William the Conqueror (whom he calls Guillaume), but namely Count Eustace II of Bologna.

Then the English monk Edmer of Canterbury Abbey took up a quill pen and wrote a work entitled: "A History of Recent (Recent) Events in England" between 1095 and 1123 years. And what? It turned out that his characterization of the conquest of England also contradicted the Norman version of this event. True, as a source, this work has long been underestimated by historians. In the same XII century, there were other authors who, following Edmer, expressed sympathy for the defeated English, but justified the victory of the Normans by the fact that it led to the growth of spiritual values ​​in the country and the strengthening of royal power.


The embroidery on the border is also very interesting. At first glance, it is not connected with the storyline of the main field. So, from the very beginning, fantastic birds and animals are depicted on it above and below. But how to understand this fragment below? After all, this is clearly a scene from Aesop's fable about the crow and the fox. And what does she represent here, and in general - why exactly did the embroiderers need her? It's a hint? For what?

The authors of these works in the first half of the XII century were the English: John Worchertersky, William of Molmesbersky and the Norman Oderic Vitalis, and in the second half the poet Weiss, also a Norman from Jersey. True, in the written works of the Normans, Duke William received much more attention. The biography of William the Conqueror is also known, which was written in the 1070s by one of his priests, William of Poiters. "The Acts of Duke William" (as his work was called) has come down to us incomplete, but in the form in which it was printed in the 1731th century, and his only manuscript was burned in XNUMX in a fire.

It is clear that the person who was always next to his ruler was well aware of everything that took place in his life, so "Acts ..." is the most detailed description of all the events of interest to us. But Wilhelm of Poiters himself is not without bias. Whenever possible, he tries to praise his duke, and condemns the usurper Harold. The purpose of his work is obvious — it is to justify the Norman invasion of England. Without a doubt, he embellished some events and even at times, apparently, simply lied about others, just to make the act of conquest legitimate and just.

There was another Norman - Oderic Vitalis - who also wrote a very interesting description of the conquest of England by William. Moreover, he used the works of many authors written in the XII century. Oderik was born in 1075 near Schrusberg. The mother was English, the father was Norman. At the age of 10, his parents sent the boy to a Norman monastery, where he became a monk and spent his whole life doing literary work. Sometime between 1115 and 1141, he wrote a Norman story called Ecclesiastical History. The author's copy of this manuscript has been perfectly preserved and today is in the National Library of France in Paris.


And after all, if it were one of Aesop's fables, there are several of them on the tapestry. For example, here on the border is a scene from a fable known to us as "The Wolf and the Crane", only in this case, most likely, a goose and a cat are embroidered here ...

Oderick's work is characterized by a duality caused by the fact that he spent his childhood in England and his mature life in Normandy. And he justifies the conquest of 1066, but writes about the cruelty of the conquerors, and forces William the Conqueror himself to name himself “cruel killer": They say, in 1087, on his deathbed, he made the following confession:

“I treated the local people with unjustified cruelty, humiliating the rich and the poor, unjustly depriving them of their own land; I have caused the death of many thousands due to hunger and war, especially in Yorkshire. "


Here on the border we see a scene of plowing and sowing and the implements used by the farmers.

Now let's get acquainted with the sources that tell us about the tapestry itself. It turns out that in the period between 1099 and 1102 a certain French poet Baudry was found, who was also the abbot of the Bourgeles monastery, who wrote a poem for Countess Adele Bloyskaya, daughter of William the Conqueror. And in her, he described in great detail the magnificent tapestry in her bedchamber, which was embroidered with gold, silver and silk threads, and depicted the conquest of England by her father. The tapestry was described in great detail by him, scene by scene. But it was not a Bayeux tapestry, since it is smaller and was created in a different manner, not to mention the fact that it was embroidered with more expensive threads. Perhaps, however, this "Adelie tapestry" is nothing more than a miniature copy of the Bayeux tapestry, which was actually in the Countess's bedchamber, but was later lost. Although, perhaps, the author somewhere saw the tapestry from Bayeux in the period before 1102, and then transferred what he saw to his poem. In support of this assumption, scientists who have studied this issue cite the following words:

“On this canvas are the ships, the leader, the names of the leaders, if, of course, it ever existed. If you could believe in his existence, you would see in him the truth of history. "

Until the XNUMXth century, no other sources were found about a tapestry with a story about the Conquest.


This is what it is - the Cathedral of the Most Holy Theotokos in Bayeux, an architectural monument of the XI-XV centuries


Service in the cathedral. Note the exceptionally high Gothic vault!

But on the other hand, in 1476, an inventory of the property of the Bayeux Cathedral was compiled, in which it is written that the cathedral belongs to “a very long and narrow linen canvas on which figures and commentaries on scenes of the Norman conquest are embroidered". Documents confirm that every summer this embroidery was used to decorate the nave of the cathedral during religious holidays. So goose feathers, as you can see, and the works of the Anglo-Norman and French monks told us a lot of interesting things about that time, as well as that in 1476 this tapestry already existed, was used by the clergy of Bayeux Cathedral and was located there!


The tapestry is very informative even in the smallest detail. For example, scene 43: Bishop Odo blesses the first feast that Duke William (this is already the English reproduction of the name of the Conqueror) and the Norman barons spend on English soil. The bishop can be recognized by the sheared tonsure, as well as by the fish that lies in front of him. There are no forks or spoons - only knives. There are no plates either, instead of them in front of the feasting there are round bread cakes. Above them the inscription: ET HIC EPISCOPUS CIBU [M] ET POTU [M] BENEDICIT (Here the bishop blesses food and drink)

In 1562, Bayeux Cathedral was ravaged by the Huguenots during the Wars of the Faith. They destroyed William the Conqueror's gift - the gilded crown, and at least one other tapestry that remained unnamed. But the monks learned about the upcoming attack on the cathedral and handed over their most valuable treasures to the local authorities. In any case, the death of the tapestry was then avoided. As for the "discovery" of tapestry for historical science, it should begin with Nicolas-Joseph Focolt, governor of Normandy from 1689 to 1694. He was an educated man, so after his death in 1721 his papers were transferred to the library of Paris. And among them were the stylized drawings from the first part of the tapestry. It is possible that their daughter Focolta, who was spoken of as a girl famous for her drawing skills, did them. Be that as it may, but already in 1724 the researcher Anthony Lancelot (1675-1740) reproduced them in an academic journal, and thus images from the Bayeux tapestry first saw the light of day in print. Only then no one knew what kind of drawings they were and where they came from. Fortunately, Lancelot realized that he was in front of an outstanding work of medieval art, although he had no idea what it was: a bas-relief, a figurative composition on the choir of a church or on a tombstone, perhaps a fresco, a mosaic, and maybe a tapestry. Moreover, he determined that this is only a small part of a large work, although he could not even imagine how long it could be.


Drawings by Bernard de Montfaucon

The truth about what these drawings were was discovered by the Benedictine historian Bernard de Montfaucon (1655-1741). Being familiar with the work of Lancelot, he set himself the task of finding this mysterious masterpiece and ... found it. In October 1728, he met with the abbot of the Abbey of Saint Vigor in Bayeux, and he, being a local resident, told him that the drawings were made from old embroidery, which is kept in Bayeux Cathedral. This is how the tapestry became the property of all mankind and the subject of interest ... although sometimes not always scientific.


And also on the border of the tapestry are depicted a lot of absolutely fantastic animals and birds ... For example, here is such a blue animal of an incomprehensible breed. Embroider this, insert it into a frame, hang it on the wall in your apartment, and admire ... a piece of "real Bayeux embroidery!"

Well, what fate befell him in the future will be described in one of the following materials.

To be continued ...
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  1. +8
    9 December 2021 18: 42
    blue animal of unknown breed
    Wolverine?
    1. +5
      9 December 2021 21: 03
      "Here's to embroider this, insert into the frame ..."
      I thought Vyacheslav would offer to trade on the beach again. lol
    2. +5
      9 December 2021 21: 09
      Some kind of babr.
      1. +5
        10 December 2021 09: 49
        Some kind of babr.

        Not everyone remembers this beast, Sergey good
        I think it's a baribal. But with a tail.
        1. +3
          10 December 2021 10: 14
          It got on the coat of arms of Irkutsk. So the fantasy could not be limited.
          1. +5
            10 December 2021 10: 25
            It got on the coat of arms of Irkutsk. So the fantasy could not be limited.

            That's for sure. And it's all to blame - the difference in dialects and the initiative of an unknown St. Petersburg official ...
  2. +5
    9 December 2021 19: 07
    I never pass by the author's articles.
    Always interesting and informative.
    You will definitely learn something new for yourself.
    Here is the Bayeux tapestry: yes, I remember from the school curriculum that there is such a historical artifact, well, that's it.
    And here the theme of tapestry is revealed so many-sidedly.
    Author Respect.
    1. +7
      9 December 2021 19: 13
      Glad you liked it. There will be two more materials on this topic. So you will receive the fullest amount of information on this topic, which is generally possible today. Come to VO!
      1. +6
        9 December 2021 19: 16
        I have been reading for a long time.
        Checked in for the occasion.
        Well, once registered, comments are inevitable. Yes
        1. +4
          9 December 2021 21: 36
          Well, once registered, comments are inevitable.
          Alas and ah!
  3. +11
    9 December 2021 19: 14
    Thanks for the always interesting and well-illustrated article!
  4. +9
    9 December 2021 19: 24
    Well, colleagues, will the story repeat itself with the decoding of the signs on the edge of the carpet?
    Let me remind you: Fomenko did this and found that the date of the beginning of the Trojan War, which, as the enlightened people know, took place in the XNUMXth century, was encrypted there. and "official history" is erroneously called the Fourth Crusade. laughing
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for another interesting material.
    I will only note that "Guy" is, of course, Guy, or Guy, and "Bloyskaya" is undoubtedly Bloisky, that is, from Blois.
    1. +7
      9 December 2021 20: 20
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      will history repeat itself with the decoding of the signs on the edge of the carpet?

      I read a very interesting study "The higgens history of Bayeux Tapestry". It says that in the tapestry, indeed, a lot of everything is encrypted. But, of course, not what Fomenko found there. But there will be more about this, this is not the end ...
      1. +4
        9 December 2021 20: 45
        Quote: kalibr
        more about this

        This is good, otherwise I was already going to offer my transcript. smile
        Well, let's wait. smile
        1. 0
          12 December 2021 14: 33
          It would be extremely curious how, without knowing astronomy, programming and mathematics, it would be possible to decipher the zodiacs compiled several centuries ago. No humanist is able to create a computer program even similar to the virtual planetarium "Stellarium" and even cannot use the tables of medieval astrologers, for example, the tables of Ptolemy. After all, it is necessary to interpret the zodiacs in essence, and not simply ridicule the interpretation of Nosovsky and Fomenko.
    2. 0
      12 December 2021 14: 47
      Inattention is not the best quality, according to Fomenko, the zodiac gives the date of the carpet manufacture, and not at all the date of the Fourth Crusade.
  5. +15
    9 December 2021 19: 44
    Colleagues, comrades, friends and just good people! I have bad news, on Monday my named uncle "Sea Cat" was taken by an ambulance, with an exacerbation of a chronic disease, to a regional hospital in Ryazan. Everything will be fine!
    1. +16
      9 December 2021 19: 55
      So I felt that something was wrong with our Kostya! And she told someone about it. Either you Anton, or Seryozha in a personal - I don’t remember, it doesn’t matter ...
      Let us all together wish our friend health from the bottom of our hearts!
      Kostya, mentally with you love love love !!!
      1. +12
        9 December 2021 20: 00
        Sadly, of course I wish our friend good health!
        1. +14
          9 December 2021 20: 10
          Sadly, of course I wish our friend good health!

          I'll try to send him a wish in a personal message - will he read it? It doesn't matter, I'll write.
    2. +13
      9 December 2021 20: 04
      And I look, about the weapon does not go to talk, that's it chto..Peredavayte warm greetings and wishes for a speedy recovery and return to the system!
    3. +12
      9 December 2021 20: 16
      If the nurses in the hospital are cute, she will return quickly. If not - even faster that Uncle Kostya then do there? smile
      So I just wish I could get back into action as soon as possible. And when - let him decide. smile
      1. +9
        9 December 2021 20: 20
        I already wrote to him, we are waiting for his recovery, and expressed a warm, friendly feeling.
        In general, dear friends, someone loves winter, and someone does not. Kostya said he didn’t. As I understand it! So he chose the time to get sick, so as not to go out into the snow. Ah, Kostya! ...
      2. +7
        9 December 2021 20: 23
        On the question of cute medsostrah.Ponyatno that the level of Constantine did not reach, but ... an attempt, not torture. bully
        1. +7
          9 December 2021 21: 00
          Seryozha, if such nurses help him recover, then I’m all for it. Let the herd come!
    4. +12
      9 December 2021 20: 23
      Poor Konstantin! May God grant him all kinds of health. Let Him, akashik or the world information field help him. We have to think about it well, remembered kindly and ... there must it respond !!!
      1. +4
        9 December 2021 20: 52
        And now to the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich ...
        In the second and third paragraphs of the article, you made a number of mistakes that can lead to the fatal end of the OI on this resource.
        1. +5
          9 December 2021 22: 09
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          In the second and third paragraph

          What is there that can entail such global consequences? I did not notice. I’m losing my scent, or what? smile
          1. +4
            9 December 2021 22: 18
            You are losing, Mikhail, you are losing ...
            1. +4
              10 December 2021 06: 11
              Argument. Yes
              1. +4
                10 December 2021 08: 16
                Lord, with him, Michael, I exaggerated, sometimes it happens to me, under a bad mood. I apologize.
                1. +4
                  10 December 2021 09: 32
                  It's a pity. I thought we’d be hacked to death on the topic of pseudo history, otherwise it’s boring today. It’s not Nekrasov’s under Samsonov to discuss ...
                  Although...
                  At one time, studying the biography of A.F. Horses, I came across an interesting piece of evidence.
                  Somehow an event occurred in St. Petersburg that threatened to grow into an international scandal - the Turkish envoy shot himself. Shot himself because the night before he lost to preference to Nekrasov and company. Further, close to the text of the source (I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote): “since the famous poet had an ambiguous reputation in the world of gambling, he was summoned to the prosecutor’s office to give explanations. During the conversation, Nekrasov managed to convince Koni that the game was played honestly and the poet's suspicions were removed. " Something like this. smile
                  In my opinion, this episode, even in Koni himself, shone through in his memories. But the term "controversial reputation" in itself says a lot ... smile
                  1. +4
                    10 December 2021 11: 34
                    Dear Michael! I read a book about the dachas of our poets, writers and artists of that time. And what did they do there, how they spent their time, and all that ... "they loved the poor people," but they themselves did not live in poverty, by no means, and even did ... "all kinds of things." So they, too, were still "those" people, of their time, of their songs, and far from being Christians. People ... "and fear and reproach." It's just that they told us differently at school. They sculpted icons from them ...
                    1. +2
                      10 December 2021 12: 38
                      It's just that they told us differently at school. They sculpted icons from them ...

                      Vyacheslav Olegovich, do you consider it necessary to tell children all sorts of dirty details from the life of the greats? A weak child's psyche will not resist such, and the greats will be remembered by villains and no one else, which will completely negate their creativity. Only an adult is able to understand that the "great" are great not in spite of their wickedness, they say, it happened by chance, it happens, but because only a varied life experience gave them the opportunity to isolate the main thing in this life and create truly great.
                      1. +2
                        10 December 2021 16: 43
                        Quote: depressant
                        Do you consider it necessary to tell children all sorts of dirty details from the life of the greats? A weak child's psyche will not resist such, and the greats will be remembered by villains and no one else, which will completely negate their creativity.

                        I wrote in one of the articles WHAT IS NOT NECESSARY. But children grow up, and at a certain stage they need to be explained that people are people, including great ones. Because then, when this very thing reaches many in an adult state, a reflection of complete denial arises. You read the comments here on VO and see that this is the case. And it is not the stupidest people who write here ... But what about them? And who said that teaching children is easy? This is taught, and then ... a lot of dropouts go to schools and universities ...
                      2. +1
                        10 December 2021 17: 34
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you know that children's age was now almost extended in the State Duma to 30 years? It seems that the conversation took place last year, I don't remember the details, but there was a lot of laughter. So, do not give great books to children under 30 and do not force them to read wassat ))))
                      3. +1
                        10 December 2021 17: 59
                        Not quite so. We extended the so-called youth age up to 35 years, inclusive. More than a strange decision. This is my soft version. bully hi
                      4. +2
                        10 December 2021 18: 32
                        Good evening, Seryozha!)))
                        So 35 years old - youthful wassat )))
                        And about the border of children, for example, 25 years old, they suddenly shyly fell silent. And if you raise and sharpen this issue, then it will turn out that all sorts of "child" and "maternal capital" must be stretched in time and increased in size. So that they meet the needs of "children" up to 25 years old! wassat )))
                      5. +1
                        10 December 2021 18: 37
                        * Note that it was not I who suggested this! * Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I immediately indicated my position. Censored! About 25 years old? Child? I have not heard, however.
                      6. +4
                        10 December 2021 18: 41
                        Hello, what is bad or unnatural in the fact that a person under 35 is considered young?)
                      7. +1
                        10 December 2021 18: 52
                        Hello! Can I answer you? There is nothing terrible in this if the person himself feels young. But why is this at the state level? Why?
                      8. +1
                        10 December 2021 19: 06
                        Seryozha, I believe, probed the ground, how to deprive an already politically awakened person of the right to vote.
                      9. +1
                        10 December 2021 19: 13
                        Everything is simpler. Under the guise of caring for the "youth" bully bully bully they themselves raise absolutely infantile individuals, incapable of independent life and making independent decisions! Baby at 35! Well, well! And I went to work at sixteen.
                      10. +1
                        10 December 2021 19: 24
                        If we compare today's young people with those that were in the time of Wilhelm, ours would not have survived. In those days, as far as I understood from the sources, children were not given names, well, or conditional. Because it will or will not survive. And he survived - confirmation, like we present to the community of the citizen. The name was given an official one. And they piled a bunch of responsibilities on the one whom the juvenile now considers a child and does not order to leave alone at home, an adult must be present.
                      11. +2
                        10 December 2021 19: 56
                        The spineless would certainly not have survived. So what? And those who would be of interest to the then society gradually adapted and became "useful members of society." bully My God, but what happened to the site? Another reform for the sake of reform? It is very inconvenient to write a comment in such a small rectangle. Moderators, ay !!! Fix it, pliz. fellow
                      12. +1
                        10 December 2021 20: 09
                        Reforms? It is very inconvenient to write a comment in such a small rectangle. Moderators, ay !!! Correct, pliz.

                        Seryozha, it's useless. I already screamed about the window. No reaction!
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                        11 December 2021 02: 31
                        ... And I went to work at sixteen.

                        I didn't go to work, I took the oath at 16.
                      14. +3
                        10 December 2021 19: 50
                        Quote: Phil77
                        if the person himself feels young

                        A person who does not feel young at the age of 30-35 - he goes straight to a psychiatrist before it's too late
                        Quote: Phil77
                        What for?

                        It's trite, but youth is the future of the country and society. And any state that thinks about tomorrow helps the young. You don't have a youth policy, do you? In my country, a person whose age is in the legally established category Young people are entitled to direct or indirect (through taxation) payments to study at a university or secondary special, an employer who hires a young person will pay less taxes, a young person who starts a business will be exempted from the same taxes for for some period, to help him get on his feet, the state will pay part of the mortgage interest for him if he buys real estate and many other such things that help the young to get on his feet economically and start a family.

                        It's strange that such simple things are not obvious to everyone.
                      15. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 03
                        Such simple things? A person, provided that he wants to achieve something, must achieve this goal HIMSELF!
                        Using your own resources, helping is not always good.
                        35 years old? Pliz, but this is already quite an adult man. Formed! But if not, if even at this age he has a wind in his head (not romance at all, but the ability to make decisions), then yes! To a doctor of a certain orientation. I don't think it's worth talking about women at 35, no? bully
                      16. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 11
                        must achieve this goal ITSELF!
                        ,,, one can argue, not always in everything.
                      17. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 17
                        Please Sergei! To the barrier. bully Arguments?
                      18. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 52
                        Arguments?
                        ,,,I do not want No. , you already understand everything Yes
                        To the barrier.

                        ,,, military regulations of 1715:
                        ,,Hang those killed in duels by their feet!
                        bully
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                      19. +3
                        10 December 2021 20: 21
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Such simple things? A person, provided that he wants to achieve something, must achieve this goal himself

                        With this logic, parents can throw their children out into the street as soon as they learn to walk on their own. One in a thousand will survive, but on the other hand)
                        Quote: Phil77
                        I don't think it's worth talking about women at 35, no?

                        What's wrong with women at 35? Do you think they are already old women?
                      20. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 30
                        Well, just don't exaggerate, I'm talking about independence.
                        Women at 35? Why old women? Quite cute creatures at 35 and 45. But! Will you find at least one woman who is happy with her age? "A girl, a girl, a young woman, a young woman. Grandma is dead."
                      21. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 34
                        Sorry, but such theses for me are some kind of primitive courtyard philosophy
                      22. +2
                        10 December 2021 20: 40
                        Than rich. Alas and ah, but I am a "child of the street". Sorry, but tomorrow to work. See you.
                      23. ANB
                        +1
                        11 December 2021 02: 33
                        ... 35 years old? Pliz, but this is already quite an adult man

                        Yes. I retired at 33.
                      24. +1
                        10 December 2021 20: 40
                        This is not entirely true!
                      25. +1
                        10 December 2021 20: 17
                        Quote: kalibr
                        reflection of complete denial.

                        You are absolutely right, Vyacheslav Olegovich. The works of pseudo-historians are designed for those who studied history exclusively at school and at least twenty years ago. Considering that school textbooks lag behind science by about thirty or fifty years, in most cases the conventional Fomenko deals with a reader who has poorly mastered, half-forgotten knowledge of half a century ago, set out to him at the level of a teenager's consciousness. And then he, as an adult, is told something with an adult look, presenting it as a science, in which - attention! - everything is clear, in contrast to the scientific boring ... So not the stupidest people bite at this bullshit.
                        And so it is.
    5. +8
      9 December 2021 21: 18
      Sadly. A speedy recovery to him!
      1. +4
        9 December 2021 21: 26
        Thanks Igor! Let's fight!
    6. +4
      10 December 2021 10: 06
      Everything will be fine!

      Keep in touch. Give us warm words.
  6. +4
    9 December 2021 20: 57
    Portrait of Harold on the boat.
    Close-up portrait ...
    Handsome, yes. Given the lack of eyes.
    There is a mustache sticking out. I looked for my eyes, did not find them. Crawled out over time? I mean threads.
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      9 December 2021 21: 04
      This is Dali ...
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        9 December 2021 21: 11
        Do you think the carpet was the beginning of a wild cross between Surrealism, Cubism and Dadaism? And what, there is something in this ...
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          9 December 2021 21: 23
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I'm joking again.
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            9 December 2021 21: 41
            So I do the same thing, only gloomily. All the time I think: how is Kostya? Something went wrong.
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              9 December 2021 21: 47
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, please don't think about people ... Focus on numbers
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                9 December 2021 22: 18
                Oh, if only, Anton ...
                And I often think not over numbers, but over numbers. If in the context of the article, then meticulous historians have calculated that 626 human figures, 202 horse figures, 55 dogs, 505 other various animals, 41 ships, 37 houses and 49 trees are embroidered on the carpet from Bayeux. Does it line up in the Fibonacci sequence, so beloved by you, or something else depicted on the carpet should be counted here?
                I often think about the number of banknotes in my wallet. And during the day, whatever I do, I think about the behavior of the numbers denoted by letters.
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                  9 December 2021 22: 33
                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, "my beloved Fibonacci", is only a person who marked the difference between science and witchcraft. But the devil was clever!
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                    9 December 2021 23: 06
                    He had a serendipity! )))
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          9 December 2021 22: 53
          Quote: depressant
          Do you think the carpet was the beginning of a wild cross between Surrealism, Cubism and Dadaism?

          Eo is not a cross between and not wild at all! This is, in all likelihood, one of the first works of style art: "Dembel Album". Therefore, there can be no question of any Cubism, Dadism and other surrents. Simply, for what the couple had enough talent and skill, accustomed to the description of the exploits of the "grandfather", "young", then we now behold.
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            9 December 2021 23: 02
            "Dembel Album" is powerful! I appreciated. Like the rest of the text - thanks! I even allowed myself to laugh. What to do, life goes on as usual, wading through the sorrows ...
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    10 December 2021 01: 33
    And for some reason, Harold's sword scabbard is covered with chain mail, so that his hilt comes out of it through the slot. Why this is so is completely unclear!
    ... Perhaps a long chain mail, armor of the rider, and worn over the attachment of the scabbard.
    here, for example, a rider has a similar armor. Even funnier are the chain mail overalls on the huscarla chopping off the horse's head, and standing nearby, and on the corpses below. Perhaps the artist saw it this way
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      10 December 2021 05: 14
      I think you should be wise. Well, I forgot about the scabbard, then I finished painting it.
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      10 December 2021 07: 15
      Quote: Keer
      Even funnier chain mail jumpsuits

      One of the delusions! These are chain mail floors. Not pants! The border below shows how the chain mail is removed over the head. How do you take off such a jumpsuit over your head.
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        10 December 2021 08: 25
        I read that in the beginning it was like that: swords and daggers were hidden under clothes for some reason. And then they quickly realized that it was irrational. While pulling out, precious seconds pass, the one who snatches faster, and not the more skillful fighter, wins. Yes, and weapons in clothes can get confused. So the weapon must be on top.
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        10 December 2021 18: 28
        I do not at all believe that such overalls really took place. wink ... But the artist, perhaps, perceived so, otherwise where does the chain mail on the inner side of the thigh come from?
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    10 December 2021 16: 12
    I reread the biography of William the Conqueror .... My God! There was not even one quiet year there. First, the struggle for physical survival, then continuous wars with recalcitrant vassals. Now together with the king, then together with the vassals against the king. How could all this be endured? But he did. From 1027 to 1063. Only the character has deteriorated. And with a spoiled character he moved to England.
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      10 December 2021 16: 46
      Quote: depressant
      Only the character has deteriorated.

      Isn't it the same with us? You will live surrounded by fools for 20-30 years and the most angelic character will deteriorate!
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        10 December 2021 17: 50
        Judging by the behavior of William in England he conquered, he was a really smart man. Because it retained the system of central and local government and justice that was already established before its conquest, advanced for the early Middle Ages. He did not abolish by formal decisions the judicial codes and other legal acts of the Anglo-Saxon kings. This played an important role in the formation in the second half of the XII century of the system of "common law", the so-called Common Law.
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          10 December 2021 18: 04
          Quote: depressant
          This played an important role in the formation in the second half of the XII century of the system of "common law", the so-called Common Law.

          Undoubtedly. He also wrote the book "The Last Judgment".
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            10 December 2021 18: 59
            When I heard about such a book, I was horrified at first. The name alone is worth it - the Last Judgment! Something as if related to religion.
            Then it turned out that there was nothing terrible there, and there were three books.
            The Great Book of the Last Judgment included information about most of the English lands.
            The Little Book of the Last Judgment included information about Norfolk, Essex and Suffolk. There was also the Exxon Book, which included data for the southern counties.
            These books were compiled, as far as I understood, at the end of William's reign and were a cadastral census. Royal officials compiled lists of land holdings and property owners. Introduced "information about arable land, mills, land for pastures, fishing grounds, as well as how many and what categories of people live in the estate." The most interesting thing is that each of the books was divided into 3 parts: what was in the estate during the time of Edward the Confessor, what went to the current owner at the time of the award, and finally what was there at the time of the inventory.
            What meticulousness! And the ability to carry out comparative analysis over time intervals. It seems surprising given the age of that time. However, England is a small country, you can go there.
            I'm sure we still have places where no human has ever gone before.
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              10 December 2021 20: 46
              Quote: depressant
              What meticulousness! And the ability to carry out comparative analysis over time intervals.

              I had an article on VO about this book. You can find and see ...
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                10 December 2021 22: 49
                You can find and see ...

                Vyacheslav Olegovich, you must be joking. You have 1581 articles on VO! At least know the name.
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                  11 December 2021 08: 24
                  Search by keywords: The Last Judgment Book. Military review, Shpakovsky.
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          10 December 2021 20: 57
          Maybe he is smart, or maybe he would like to change something to suit his interests. This we will never know.
          He did not have one hundred percent legitimacy, so he had to "survive".
          Somewhere the stick would have gone too far and would have remained in history without the nickname "Conqueror".
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    10 December 2021 17: 38
    Friends! Our Kostya, the Cat of the Sea, writes that he is already at home. Is it to comfort me?
    Anton, what does he write to you?!?
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      10 December 2021 17: 51
      Yes, everything is fine with our Kostya. Already at home. Don't believe me ?! bully
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        10 December 2021 18: 14
        Hehe! ..
        According to the history manual, a fact is considered confirmed if there are at least three sources on the crosshairs. We need a third confirming! Yes, I believe you, Anton, I believe! But my mood really improved wassat )))
        And then some kind of gloom filled the forum)))
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          10 December 2021 18: 17
          I'm not Anton, I'm Sergei! hi
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            10 December 2021 18: 38
            Seryozha, my friend, excuse me !!!!
            I asked Anton the question and therefore, without looking at the nickname, decided that it was he who answered, I will not hide, being surprised at the promptness. Does that excuse me in your eyes? I think no. For such a mistake, Wilhelm would have already cut off the head of an absent-minded person. Forgive me, my Friend, if you can (((crying )))
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              10 December 2021 18: 48
              Yes, everything is fine, it happens. And I have the info first hand. What I happily shared.
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                10 December 2021 19: 11
                Seryozha, I am glad that you are not angry. I can be absent-minded when a lot of things are spinning in parallel in my head. Sometimes wedges)))
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          10 December 2021 18: 29
          Quote: depressant
          some gloom filled the forum

          We all walk under God!
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            10 December 2021 18: 40
            I became some kind of thick-skinned after the "link". recourse I do not see this "gloom" at close range.
            Good evening, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
            Thanks for the interesting article!
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              10 December 2021 19: 15
              Seryozha, yesterday there was gloom. As soon as the message about Kostya arrived, the forum seemed to collapse. Probably everyone thought about themselves. Or the sudden onset of winter fatigue simply makes itself felt.
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              10 December 2021 20: 48
              Quote: Phil77
              Good evening

              And all the best to you. More coming soon. It's already done. And then two more articles "about the carpet".
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                10 December 2021 22: 45
                I think the most interesting will be about the unpreserved six-meter final section. wassat ))))