Mooring trials of the project 20380 corvette "Rezky" have begun in Vladivostok

At the acceptance base of the Amur shipyard in Vladivostok, mooring trials of the Rezkiy corvette of project 20380, built for the Pacific Fleet, have begun. The press service of the USC announced the beginning of the tests.

Reportedly, all work on the installation of mechanisms and equipment has been completed on the corvette, all systems have been mounted. The ship is fully ready for testing, a schedule for closing mooring certificates has been drawn up. How long this stage will last is not reported.

Note that in early November, the Ministry of Defense announced the release of the Rezky corvette for factory sea trials, but most likely it was wishful thinking. The thing is that according to the previously announced plans, the ship was supposed to be part of fleet before the end of this year, but later the plans were corrected and the transfer was postponed to the next one. The test schedules have shifted accordingly. Instead of ZHI, the corvette passes the mooring lines.

According to Razhden Baratashvili, who is responsible for the delivery of the ship, work on the corvette is proceeding in accordance with the schedule, the ship will be handed over to the customer next year.

Corvette "Razkiy" is the fourth ship of Project 20380 being built at the Amur Shipyard for the Pacific Fleet. Laid down in 2016. Corvettes "Perfect", "Loud" and "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" have already become part of the Pacific Fleet. In total, the Pacific Fleet will receive six corvettes of this project, then the plant will build project 20385 corvettes.

Corvettes of project 20380 are classified as multipurpose surface combat ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone. Features of the ships of this project are compactness, stealth, high percentage of systems automation. Designed for the search and destruction of submarines, surface ships and enemy ships, the defense of naval bases.

Comments

[Artem Muraviev]

Well done)) I hope they got their hands on

[ioan-e]

Quote: Artem Muraviev

Well done)) I hope they got their hands on

All corvettes are good, but strike weapons need to be brought to the level of 20385!

[Flooding]

Quote: ioan-e

All corvettes are good, but strike weapons need to be brought to the level of 20385!

to give up uranium on new ships?

[ioan-e]

Quote: Flood

Quote: ioan-e

All corvettes are good, but strike weapons need to be brought to the level of 20385!

to give up uranium on new ships?

Personally, my opinion is to keep, but not for me to decide.

[Flooding]

Quote: ioan-e

Personally, my opinion is to save, but it's not for me to decide

20380 - uranium
20385 - calibers
like so

[Barberry25]

yes, they will continue to build 20385

[Flooding]

Quote: Barberry25

yes, they will continue to build 20385

that's why he wrote about uraniums.
corvettes should be massive and cheap.

[Barberry25]

in this case, the price of mass production does not affect the word in general - all shipyards are filled with orders, and taking into account the time frame, it is more correct to build 20385

[Dart2027]

Quote: Flood

to give up uranium on new ships?

Why not adapt the Uranus rocket to the Caliber?

[Flooding]

Quote: Dart2027

Why not adapt the Uranus rocket to the Caliber?

sizes do not allow

[Dart2027]

Quote: Flood

sizes do not allow

What? The Kh-35 has 4,4 by 0,42 m, and Onyx (the Caliber launchers are designed for it) 8 by 0,67 m.

[Flooding]

Quote: Dart2027

The Kh-35 has 4,4 by 0,42 m,

you're right
even shorter than 3,85m
assumed uranium was thicker

[Dart2027]

Quote: Flood

even shorter than 3,85m

This is the aviation version. Aviation Onyx is also shorter than sea one.

Quote: Flood

suggested that Uranus is thicker

Clear.

[Kurare]

Quote: ioan-e

All corvettes are good, but strike weapons need to be brought to the level of 20385!

UKSK with Caliber is not a panacea. Uranus is an excellent system, an order of magnitude cheaper than Caliber. The Kh-35u can fly 260 km, and the new versions should fly 350 km. And in terms of effectiveness against single-tonnage ships and even frigates, they may well even disable one missile.

[Serge-667]

So I don’t understand why to mold a hunchback. Then some serious problem will fall out, and the train will leave.

[ioan-e]

Quote: Serge-667

So I don't understand why to mold a hunchback

What does the humpback have to do with it? What's wrong if, when upgrading to a corvette in a pair, the UKSK is added to the Uraniums, how is it implemented at Shapashnikov? All the more so for the Pacific Fleet, which is seriously inferior to Japan in terms of the number of ships. In the end, any ship is created taking into account the possible subsequent modernization and strengthening of weapons.

[Serge-667]

.. as implemented on Shapashnikov

Shaposhnikov - DMZ ship. But even this is not the main thing.
a) what other modernization? He hasn't started running it yet.
b) you, the person above, has substantiated why Uranus.
3M-54 flies at the same range. The only plus is that you can screw the 3rd supersonic stage. But the cost is an order of magnitude more than Uranus.
Plus Uranus is a salvo start.
And in terms of the quantitative advantage of the enemy, the rate of fire is very useful, to say the least.
Give concrete reasons for your desire to see Caliber there.

[bayard]

Quote: Serge-667

Give concrete reasons for your desire to see Caliber there.

Yes, not "Calibers" are needed there in UKSK, but PLUR "Answer".
If we simplify the air defense in favor of the Pantsir-M, then instead of the Reduta launchers, install the UKSK with Answers. Otherwise, having a quite decent GAK, the corvette is completely devoid of its own means of destruction of the enemy's submarine and will simply be its goal. "Package-NK" with a swing. range 15 - 20 km. , this is not serious when the enemy is capable of attacking from a distance of over 50 km.
The only chance to survive and destroy the goal is the PLO helicopter on board ... But our ship is small and the use of the helicopter has serious limitations in terms of ballistic performance.
The whole trouble is that these corvettes are positioned exactly as MULTI-PURPOSE ships, which for a ship of such VI results in limited ammunition, restrictions on the use of weapons in terms of ballistic and terrible high cost, because MULTI-PURPOSE means having a full-fledged air defense.
For me, it would be quite enough for protection from the air "Pantsir-M", sea "Thor" or "Dagger". Then there would be a place for the corresponding tasks and threats, weapons (PLUR "Answer" in UKSK), and even Uranus could be saved.
And it would be even cheaper. For the cost of such a corvette is 30-40% of its air defense.
For comparison, the Pantsir-M ship kit costs about 1 billion rubles.
For a PLO corvette with functions and a patrol, such an air defense would be quite enough.
Or build an ASW frigate at once, which, at about the same cost as 20385, will have a much larger ammo, better seaworthiness, longer range and less weapon limitations in terms of ballistic capability, including a helicopter.

[Osipov9391]

Such ships are almost defenseless against a serious air attack.
They are put out of action by the Hornets.
When they find the ship, they will fly to attack at a low altitude and appear on the radio horizon at a distance of about 40-45 km when the heads of their anti-ship missiles capture the target.
At this moment, they will launch an anti-ship missile system and hide back behind the radio horizon.
You will literally have a minute and a half to shoot down all these missiles. And there will be about 10-15 of them. SAM on the ship will need one and a half to two times more than this amount.
Well, on the near approaches, they can use rapid-fire ship guns.
But still, there is critically little time.
They will not sink, but it will lose its combat effectiveness. And after that you can finish off with torpedoes from submarines.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

Such ships are almost defenseless against a serious air attack.

Yes, the fact of the matter is that even if their new "Barrier" is at least three times effective and flawless, the limited ammo will only allow them to repel a limited raid, or the attack of one or two aircraft. And that's all.
And there is a radar, and the entire air defense system is VERY expensive. So for such a level, the air defense system and the platform need a bigger, more spacious one. Namely, the PLO frigate. Then everything you need will fit, and the BC will be acceptable, and the costs of combat systems will be justified.
The Chinese have the export (!) Price of frigates 054A - $ 186 million. This is 1,5 - 2 times cheaper than our corvette 20385! Place on it our GAC, anti-aircraft missile systems and a strike complex, the price of its maximum would be equal to the price of the corvette 20385.
But it would have been a completely different ship.
And to provide ASW in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Sea of ​​Japan, as well as in the strait zones of the Kuril ridge, such ships would be much more useful and effective than corvettes with half the VI, autonomy of 15 days and their limitations in terms of ball.
They could have served for a much longer time and with greater efficiency.
With the same purchasing and operating costs.
And so ... it turned out to be a breakaway and an under-frigate. Moreover, with reduced characteristics for PLO ... and for air defense.
But Russia is a RICH country.

[Osipov9391]

If there is at least one Growler among the flight of Hornets flying to attack the ship, there may be more targets. This means that even more air defense systems will be required.
Although it will be extremely difficult even for Moscow with its weapons and ammunition to fight off such an attack.
Suppose the pilots are stupid, novices or women. The ships flew over the horizon to attack and were noticed. We managed to launch 5-6 anti-ship missiles.
After that, all the planes and missiles were shot down by the ship's air defense.
But ... in 20-30 minutes the enemy will be able to repeat such an attack. Moreover, more than once. And by increasing strength.
A Ka-31 helicopter on large ships would have come in handy. Being in the air and having detected in advance (100-200 km or more) approaching planes, he would have time to transfer them to the ship. They would have sounded the alarm immediately. Launched air defense / electronic warfare systems, etc.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

A Ka-31 helicopter on large ships would have come in handy. Being in the air and having detected in advance (100-200 km or more) approaching planes, he would have time to transfer them to the ship. They would have sounded the alarm immediately. Launched air defense / electronic warfare systems, etc.

This is exactly what the Indians want / are trying to do - they have purchased such AWACS helicopters and intend to place them even on frigates - 1 - 2 pcs. in Sotava KUG. Both for self-defense and early warning of their ships, and for organizing air defense lines at sea.
But in the Russian Federation today there are only two such helicopters - on "Kuznetsov", which is not enough even for him (it is desirable to have 3 - 4 such helicopters on AB).
And in the open sea / ocean, surface ships will always lose to carrier-based aviation, if it is presented in sufficient quantity or with appropriate weapons. Therefore, aircraft-carrying ships are mandatory for the Oceanic Fleet. This is an axiom.

[Osipov9391]

And the fact that women fly in the US Navy does not change much? If you need to complete any tasks, or how to say? Due to its characteristics.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

And the fact that women fly in the US Navy

What do you mean, they have about fifty different sexes registered there now, and all are equal.
Do you imagine a gay, transgender and / or zoophile in the cockpit?
With their "fine organization of the psyche"?
Unpredictable pilot.
And a woman in her hysterics will sink any ship.
They are ruthless.

[Osipov9391]

Seriously, in the case that I brought (on the Pacific Ocean and the aircraft carrier that is based in Japan in Yokosuka) there are not some non-gays (not about everyone of course) and the like, but ordinary women aged 28-45, on a par with male pilots.
They fly F / A-18s sometimes in pairs. And not bad. Even a photo can be found if desired.
How do they cope with the task of attacking the ship or fall into a stupor? Even if the female link completely hits.
Or will this not make the ship's air defense easier but complicate the task?

[bayard]

For naval air defense, there is no difference, it does not distinguish between the sexes. There is a goal - it will bring you down. if possible . And women and we fought in WWII. They fought well. Moreover, pilots have a trained psyche.
This is a young contract operator, she can fall into a stupor in a difficult and nervous situation ... It's different with the pilots - there is practice.

[Osipov9391]

There, on aircraft carriers, regiments / squadrons / links are tuned to specific tasks.
Usually, the most powerful are entrusted with air defense AUG and the fight against air targets.
The strong are trusted to attack ground targets / suppress enemy air defense / fight against his aircraft.
Less trained (women for example) are trusted to attack ships as the easiest.
For beginners, auxiliary functions such as refueling / weather reconnaissance / electronic warfare.

[bayard]

But what about "holidays", decrees and other delights of gender equality?

Quote: Osipov9391

There on aircraft carriers

Deck aviation is always the elite and requires a higher level of training.
But this is not about the Russian Federation today. But after a little time it can be quite a bit about China.
It's too early to talk about DM and OZ here. And in BMZ base aviation will support.
The main striking force of the Russian Federation is not the Navy, but the Strategic Missile Forces. And SSBNs will shoot from the pier quite successfully. And long-range missile-carrying aircraft.

But it’s easier to solve the issue in general radically - that’s more correct.
When missiles do not fly at all, or they fly, but not ICBMs, but ... airborne missiles at overseas bases - what will remain.
The element is a terrible thing ...

[Osipov9391]

I don’t know about the first one.
But back in the 80s, American admirals said that the only thing they were afraid of and would not be able to resist in the Soviet fleet was ... ekranoplanes.
Mines and torpedoes are useless against them. The anti-ship missile will not lock onto the target at that speed.
And hitting them with missiles or fighters at water level is an extremely difficult task.
it is quite possible that if they were these ekranoplanes, then some classes of ships could be replaced.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

ekranoplans

Too expensive and difficult to maintain thing. And only until that time they were hardly vulnerable, until explosive missiles appeared, capable of confidently capturing targets against the background of the underlying surface.
Aviation would have dealt with them, and the Hokaev's radars were spotted at a safe distance for the AUG.
MPA and SSGNs would be much more effective. And with the appearance of domestic AB with normal aircraft on board, our fleet would feel quite confident at sea.
This is exactly what they were afraid of - what was about to appear.
4 "Krecheta" with Yak-141 and AWACS helicopters, 2 "Kuznetsov" and 4 "Ulyanovsk" - this is what would make our fleet truly oceanic.
And all their PLO based on PLO aircraft would lose its effectiveness.
But this was not allowed to happen.

[Osipov9391]

When the Union was engaged in ekranoplanes, the US Navy's carrier-based aviation essentially had only Phantom. At best, "Tom Cat". The first does not count, it is the middle of the last century. The second was already better in terms of characteristics / avionics / weapons.
Could carry missiles "Phoenix" designed to protect aircraft carrier formations from MRA of the USSR.
The cat was also sold to Iran along with missiles. I once read an article in a magazine about how the United States supplied its best ally Iran with the latest carrier-based fighter and soon regretted it.
But the plane was emergency and difficult.
Women were allowed to fly on aircraft carriers only on the arrival of the 18th.
It is simpler and lighter.

[bayard]

Since the radar of combat aviation became capable of detecting targets against the background of the underlying surface, the idea of ​​ekranoplanes in the sense of a strike facility at sea has lost its relevance. ZGRLS, AWACS aircraft and airborne radars of military aviation will detect them without any problems, and their speed and maneuverability are lower.
But as a vehicle, they still have a prospect.

The F-14 was a very good aircraft for its time. The thrust-to-weight ratio was somewhat lacking, but the installation of engines from the F-15 helped the business. But variable sweep ... it is difficult, expensive, unreliable. So let them fly on the F-18 and F-35.
And the "Black Cat" was for me "the enemy's most favorite aircraft", I even made a wooden model of it for the reconnaissance training class - beautiful, with movable wings, a plexiglass lantern ... hung on the woods ... next to others. Purely aesthetically, I still like him.

And the girls in the air, but on combat aircraft ... it's a whim.
Or hopelessness.

There is also total mobilization, but this is definitely not the case.

[Osipov9391]

I don’t know about the Cat among the Persians now. The Americans removed their own from service 15-20 years ago. It cannot carry modern AIM-120 missiles, and Phoenix has not been made for a long time.
I think its exploitation in Iran is difficult. There are no engines, no spare parts, nothing.

In the American Navy, women actively fly 18 aircraft. On the 35s, it seems that only one was allowed to fly, and then not in the fleet, but in the KMP.
It's just that the 18th is easier to pilot and control.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

I don’t know about the Cat among the Persians now.

They fly so far, but there seem to be 20 pieces left in the ranks. Copies of "Phoenix" they sort of set up their own production. Well, with spare parts ... like they were smuggling something, so the Americans decided to dispose of all the F-14s in storage, so that the spare parts would not get to the enemy.

[Osipov9391]

Well, the engine, when its resource has ended, only change / remove from the donor, which flew little and the resource was preserved there.
Therefore, it is possible to pull something by smuggling, but not much.

The f-35 now seems to be the only one flying and serving in Japan, the captain is 29 years old.
All the rest are 18s flying and active.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

Therefore, it is possible to pull something by smuggling, but not much.

Smuggling is also difficult - the F-14 has probably already been disposed of. and under control. Something is supported by cannibalism, but in fact, the embargo has been lifted from them for a year already, so they will soon have new aircraft.
There were rumors that negotiations were underway about our aircraft, most likely the Su-30SM \ SM2 with the letter E.
Well, as lungs, they have a choice: the Chinese J-10, MiG-35, or wait for the Su-75.
If I were in their place, I would now buy heavy ones, even from the presence in the RF Armed Forces - they urgently need to strengthen their aviation, and wait for the Su-75 ... If it does take place.

[Osipov9391]

How do you think they can? Yes, yes, it is they, because they serve very close. They usually hang a pair of "Harpoons". Everything else is occupied by PTB and V-V missiles for self-defense, although in our case they will not need the latter. If only against helicopters. A flight of 4-5 aircraft is involved in the raid. This is about 10 anti-ship missiles.
Or will everyone fail?

[bayard]

I think they will work like everyone else. For them, everything will be almost like a training ground.
But in the war, I would not send women without extreme need - it's a pity.

[Osipov9391]

Despite their appearance and gender, their training may turn out to be two heads higher than that of our male pilots who flew from Kuznetsov.
Simply because random people do not go there and do not look for themselves there. They fly since childhood and a lot. On small private jets with parents, for example.
We flew from state to state, in Alaska this business is very developed.
Therefore, by the age of 20, she can have dozens of hours of flight time. Let not on a fighter plane, but nevertheless at night and in adverse weather conditions.
And here ... Well, for example Shevtsova, Kitaeva in naval uniforms and with big stars on their shoulder straps. Probably for the night landing on the deck they were assigned all this.
They can do any tasks for sure.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: bayard

And there is a radar, and the entire air defense system is VERY expensive.

и

Quote: bayard

If we simplify the air defense in favor of the Pantsir-M, then instead of the Reduta launchers, install the UKSK with Answers

you are absolutely right (!). It is necessary to achieve a price reduction by simplifying the radar components ... Neither "Barriers" and "Redoubts" should try to cram into the PLO corvette (!). There would be sufficient any of ("Positive" / "Monument" / "Mineral"). But the presence of PLUR for the PLO / OVR corvette there is - paramount !!!
and here, the fleet is snatched notoriously incompetent ship by the composition of weapons for their primary tasks - 20380 !!!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Kurare

Uranus is an excellent system, an order of magnitude cheaper than Caliber. X-35u flies 260 km, and new versions should fly 350 km

The caliber can work on the coast and on submarines, but Uranus cannot.

[venik]

Quote: ioan-e

All corvettes are good, but strike weapons need to be brought to the level of 20385!

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Yes, not everyone! There MF-radar "Zaslon" - kill .... Sorry! - miserable. Not to God - a candle, not a damn thing - a poker! And to bring it "to mind" - it does not work in any way ..... Hopefully, they will finish it all the same. And as for the strike weapons, for such a displacement - quite for myself, although I would very much like to see the "calibrated" UKSK there - it certainly will not be superfluous!

[Flooding]

Quote: Artem Muraviev

Well done)) I hope they got their hands on

the delivery in 2021 was previously announced.
in fact, they will fall down in 2022.

[tralflot1832]

The deadline for completion is May 2022. Is there any sharp difference from the previous ship? Sharp is already the ninth in the series.

[Flooding]

Quote: tralflot1832

The deadline is May 2022

but after all, the Ministry of Defense used to call the year of delivery 2021
so in the article

[tralflot1832]

So I'm looking for the reason, something new was not put on it?

[Flooding]

Quote: tralflot1832

So I'm looking for the reason, something new was not put on it?

have already met such a situation before, I don’t remember which ship
the manufacturer did not meet the deadline
naturally a new schedule was agreed with the customer
after which the manufacturer cheerfully reports to the press that the work is progressing on schedule
without specifying at the same time that according to the new schedule, instead of the untimely old one

I think the situation is similar here

[alexmach]

but after all, the Ministry of Defense used to call the year of delivery 2021

And God bless him. In our reality, a 3 month delay is not a delay at all.

[Flooding]

Quote: alexmach

In our reality, a 3 month delay is not a delay at all.

your truth

[Serge-667]

How long this stage will last is not reported.

And rightly so! They are already doing smart. How much observation can be done.

[dzvero]

A purely amateurish question - what does the mooring test include?

[novel66]

checking all systems without going to sea, at the wall

[Grits]

It turns out that the delivery base of the Amur Shipyard is located at Dalzavod. The photo was taken there - in the background the building of the Vladivostok circus

[grassyknollgunner]

If only Caliber and Onyx were on each such ...

[zloybond]

A! These are the ships where 80 people sail in the sea with one cannon! ?????

[Zomanus]

Well, just like that, in small steps, the Pacific Fleet will be restored. And it will already be possible to produce not just the write-off of old ships, but with the replacement with newer ones.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Zomanus

Well, just like that, in small steps, the Pacific Fleet will be restored. And it will already be possible to produce not just the write-off of old ships, but with the replacement with newer ones.

Seriously ?!
old "Soviet" 1155 (which is under the soraket), Были PLUR with a range of 40-50 km. (a much stronger SAC, a capable air defense complex, albeit a short-range) !!!, and seaworthiness of DMZ / OZ ...
for the new 20380, for execution their main functions - PLO / OVR, no PLUR .... ? !!
there is no point in seaworthiness ..
This is a high-quality replacement and renewal of the fleet. ?! ...?!
and on these, as you put it "new ships", plan to send suicide crews to sea, to be torn apart by a potential enemy ... ?!
Raise a glass, for such a renewal of the fleet? ... and it may turn out that this glass, in its essence, is a funeral for the crew members of such "new ships" ...

[Zomanus]

We read carefully "not just writing off old ships, but replacing them with newer ones." New, at least equivalent. And again, are you going to drive Korean poachers with missile cruisers or BODs?

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Zomanus

New, at least equivalent.

sir it is you not careful while reading (!)... To call such substitutions equivalent .... at least criminal.

Quote: Zomanus

Yes and again, you are going korean poachers chase missile cruisers or BOD?

drive poachers - should guard, and border guards, and not ships from the combat composition of the Navy !!!
Someone deceived you. (!). The Navy has completely different tasks ...