Russia is ready to develop MLRS "Tornado" for the Airborne Forces

If such a need arises, Russia is ready to develop the "Tornado" MLRS for the Airborne Forces. This task can be performed by the scientific and production association "Splav", which is part of the Technodinamika holding.

This statement was made in interview to the TASS news agency the general director of the enterprise Alexander Smirnov.

He stated that the association could begin work on a landing version of the Tornado-G MLRS with a caliber of 122 mm. He hopes that in the new state armaments program there will be an order for the creation of an installation on an appropriate chassis.

We are ready to do this work, it's up to the customer

- said the general director of NPO Splav.

The existing version of the 122-mm MLRS "Tornado-G" was created on the basis of the reactive system "Grad". He can fire in automatic mode, while at the same time in an unprepared position. Thanks to this, the calculation is able, by firing a volley, to quickly change position. It is enough for the operator to transfer the installation to the stowed position directly from the cockpit and leave the place from where the MLRS was firing.

In addition to plans to create a landing Tornado-G, Smirnov highlighted the company's work on the TOS-2 Tosochka heavy flamethrower system, the progress of tests of the Farming remote mining system and much more. This allows us to conclude that much attention is paid to the development of modern types of artillery in Russia.

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[Orange bigg]

Serial production of the latest guided missiles for the Tornado-S 300-mm multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) has begun.

Rostec began serial production of guided missiles for MLRS "Tornado-S"

“Such shells are already in series production. A long-term contract has been signed with the Ministry of Defense for their supply to the troops, "Smirnov was quoted by TASS as saying.

According to him, preparations are also underway for preliminary tests of a new rocket with an unmanned aerial vehicle for the Smerch MLRS. “Currently, preparations are underway for conducting preliminary tests of an experimental batch of rockets with the participation of the customer,” added Smirnov.

https://vz.ru/news/2021/11/19/1129898.html

[tralflot1832]

For the rest of my life I remembered that the Grad Projectile with a box of exactly 100 kg. Now I encountered such a problem, I can not comment on the article. I can only comment on the comments. There were no new warnings.

[mark1]

You are not the only one with such a problem. For what and why without explanation (maybe you can even be proud, but it's not clear why)

[tralflot1832]

It started yesterday. For what merits?

[mark1]

I have at least 2 weeks, at one time I just answered comments on this, I did not notice.

[Konnick]

You just need to reload the site, well, that is. page and you can comment.

[venik]

Quote: tralflot1832

It started yesterday. For what merits?

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I have a circus! Some articles are assessed, and some are not!

[KCA]

Fuck boxes, were they galvanized choli, or raw birch? Looked, the heaviest projectile 9M53F 70kg, 30kg box with shavings weighed?

[tralflot1832]

Loaded boxes with Grads in the army, the box says net weight 100 kg. 1981

[KCA]

Strange, no, I am not finding fault, but I just cannot find in the nomenclature of shells for the Grad any weighing more than 70 kg, but I found that already covered with dandruff, absolutely all, in the Airborne Forces there is a Grad-V airborne landing, what now to invent decided? Rearranging the guides on Sadko, is it so difficult? During the Second World War, such a task would have been solved in two weeks, including samples for testing, and now R&D will be scouted for billions and thousands of man-hours

[tralflot1832]

Babakhs in all of them on a jeep - carts rivet.

[KCA]

They rivet 80mm NURS on clamshells, and why only babakhi? Very progressive gayropeies from the 404 country are also riveting

[venik]

Quote: KCA

found that already covered with dandruff, absolutely all, in the Airborne Forces there is a "Grad-V" airborne, what have you decided to invent now? Rearranging the guides on Sadko, is it so difficult?

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And there is not a problem in the chassis! There it is necessary to install topographic equipment, roll determination, and electric drives for precision guidance. It was possible to push all this canoe to the Ural without any problems ... But will it be possible to carry it to the airborne sheshik? This is the question! There, and so it was necessary to cut the number of guides from 40 to 12! And make the cockpit open (tented)! And where will this hefty box of devices fit under the block of barrels on the Tornado-G?

No! Not everything is so simple - you can't do it "in a week" without helpers! Here at least TWO (weeks) are needed!

[chenia]

Quote: tralflot1832

I can not comment on the article. I can only comment on the comments

You are not alone! When I type a comment, a set of letters flies out. This is when you “press“ send. ”And you can't see what you are typing.

[Flooding]

an airborne MLRS will require an airborne transport-loading vehicle

[yelo]

hail-p can be put on uvazik.

[alystan]

Why not go to the corner?

[KCA]

Not a paratrooper, but why for a landing MLRS a landing TPM? They threw out the MLRS, they cleared the surrounding space and the landing party went / ran to capture the fortifications, heights and fix themselves, there is no time to reload the MLRS at all

[Flooding]

the bridgehead must not only be captured, but also held until the main forces arrive
how to do it without ammunition and reloading?

[KCA]

Is it only airborne MLRS in the Airborne Forces? And "Sprut-SDM", and BMD, and "Nona-S", and "Drok",
and "Birdies" who are parachuted with ammunition at all about anything?

[Flooding]

Quote: KCA

Is it only airborne MLRS in the Airborne Forces?

I did not understand the essence of the question
do you mean that the RSZO can be charged manually like the other equipment you listed?

[KCA]

I mean, the landing MLRS performs a limited function during the direct landing of the assault, as well as on the landing ships, or the landing ships, having discharged the MLRS and landing the assault, are at anchor and await reloading? Have they fired, the ships left, the wheeled ones just abandoned and moved on, and the equipment I listed has all the ammunition required to carry out an amphibious operation, or stand in a ring around the MLRS for an hour while they are reloaded this excellent tactical solution?

[Flooding]

Quote: KCA

We shot back, the ships left, the wheeled ones just abandoned and moved on

"thrown"
it's fine
and what prevents "throwing" them together with TPM for reloading and further advance to a new firing line?

[KCA]

The reload time, when the MLRS will be absolutely useless and will wait for missiles or shells from the enemy, unlike ACS and BMD, which will leave the place of the MLRS salvo, already known to the enemy, drag the MLRS and TPM into the bushes for tens of kilometers, hide for an hour- two, change your shoes, wait a couple of hours for instructions about a new position, move there, it's somehow long, after a salvo of MLRS in minutes, if the landing was expected, tactical ballistic missiles, like Iskander, would fly, one rocket would take down the fuck about six launchers, at least it will make it impossible to move, I have not seen it personally, on TV they showed a funnel from "Tochka-U", 30x5 meters, and also fragments and other crap

[Flooding]

I understood you
throw so throw
together with the crews?
Or do you propose the concept of a one-time shot-and-throw rocket?

[KCA]

And what about the BTR-MDM? Will everyone have something to do, or are the MLRS crew trained to shoot only from it and to small arms or RPG-26 are not trained?

[Flooding]

and then look for replenishment in thinned crews, spend money on training
This is something new
need to think

[SKVichyakow]

And on what basis will this be done?

[moreman78]

Quote: SKVichyakow

And on what basis will this be done?

Everything has long been there - https://mshurutov.livejournal.com/132761.html

In close cooperation of OJSC KAMAZ with the Main Directorate of the Airborne Troops of the Russian Federation and the State Enterprise MKPK Universal, on the basis of the KAMAZ-43501 vehicle, a light landing vehicle KAMAZ-43501 has been developed for the Airborne Forces. The vehicle is intended for manning the Airborne Forces units instead of the outdated and discontinued GAZ-66 vehicle and for landing it from air transport.

[Flooding]

Quote: moreman78

In close cooperation of OJSC KAMAZ with the Main Directorate of the Airborne Troops of the Russian Federation and the State Enterprise MKPK Universal on the basis of the KAMAZ-43501 vehicle

outdated information

The company "Remdizel" (a branch of "KamAZ") is actively expanding the line of compact biaxial "Typhoons". K-4386 AMN-D is a multipurpose flatbed truck with an armored cabin, adapted for parachuting and capable of carrying up to three tons of cargo.

Features:

dimensions - 5980x2540x2400 mm,
clearance - 410 mm,
gross weight - 14 kg,
engine - 350 hp diesel 610.10-350,
maximum speed - 100 km / h,
the maximum ford depth is 1,75 m.

photos from the forum "Army-2021"

read about other exhibits here:
https://ru.motor1.com/reviews/529379/forum-army2021-vehicles/

[uav80]

The Czechs, on the other hand, managed to make a biaxial T815 on the basis of the Tatra ...

[Flooding]

Quote: uav80

The Czechs, on the other hand, managed to make a biaxial T815 on the basis of the Tatra

the question is not in the number of axles
and not in the possibility of landing, which the Czech woman probably does not have
all these questions are solvable, and the tasks are achievable

[prior]

Install 10-12 rails on the BMD chassis, why not a landing MLRS ?!

[prior]

Is wheeled vehicles lower in height?
It is clear that the BMD hull can be underestimated by the absence of a turret and troop compartment, as well as by a reduced number of guide barrels.
Why not try. as an option.

[uav80]

With a package and a parachute system, the Il-76 will no longer fit ...

and it is not always reliable ...

[Radical]

Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks.

[Barberry25]

range is low ... better a full-fledged hail package and reincarnation of Partizan-G

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Radikal

Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks.

So the emphasis is now on the self-propelled chassis, and not on the tow hitch.

[yelo]

it has a short range (10km max). and the volley is strongly visible.

[strannik1985]

The minimum firing range is shorter, airborne, more or less accurately launched from anything, up to a heap of earth.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Radikal

Why reinvent the wheel?

Grad-V aka BM-21V
12 guides, caliber 122mm.
Do you want "caterpillars" there is a variant of the BM-21VD based on the BMP-1 chassis (only a draft ...)

[Nikolaevich I]

Why waste time on trifles? Can I go straight to the airborne "Smerch"? Take this "firing" block ... attach it to the "Tiger" ... and go!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Why waste time on trifles? Take this "firing" block ... attach it to the "Tiger" ... and go!

WS-3
Caliber 400mm, warhead 200kg, range 200km (minimum 70km)
Manufactured true China ...

[Alexfly]

It would be interesting about the individual guidance of each projectile when correcting the flight to the target, as well as back in the past. The efficiency is minimal.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: AlexFly

It would be interesting about the individual guidance of each projectile when correcting the flight to the target, as well as back in the past. The efficiency is minimal.

The Chinese manufacturer claims that the WS-3 MLRS shells have an INS that gives 300m of accuracy, there is also a GPS correction that increases the accuracy to 50m

[Alexfly]

Is the accuracy of 300 meters (even 50) that. Assumes meter or 2 ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: AlexFly

accuracy . Assumes meter or 2 ...

Diameter-gauge = 400mm = 40cm - warhead 200kg or cassette 540 submunitions
Want to hit a target ranging in size from 2 to 5 projectile-shot calibers ...

You will be able to provide target designation at a distance of at least 70 km ...?

[Alexfly]

70 km for the Airborne Forces? Do not make me laugh.....

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Radikal

there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to dushmans.

They did not "hand over" RPU-14 to the Chinese! The Chinese "made" the "Type 63" installation (12 "barrels", caliber: 107 mm) based on the BM-14 ...!

RPU-14 (16 "barrels"; caliber: 140 mm)

Type 63 (12 "barrels"; caliber: 107 mm)

[Radical]

Quote: Barberry25

range is low ... better a full-fledged hail package and reincarnation of Partizan-G

And the weight, dimensions? And the Airborne Forces unit, thrown out to the rear, will conduct the DB at a distance of the "Grad" range?

[Radical]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Quote: Radikal

Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks.

So the emphasis is now on the self-propelled chassis, and not on the tow hitch.

What is the question - put RPU-14 on the chassis of the Tiger, or KAMAZ landing .... : sad
By the way, this is what the militants did - they put them on Toyota in Afghanistan and in Syria.

[Radical]

Quote: yelo

it has a short range (10km max). and the volley is strongly visible.

Did you see the Grad volley live, did you see it nearby? How much soil does it raise at the moment?

[yelo]

near the hail, a trail is visible and the flame is visible when firing. but because of the firing range, he will be able to dump from shelling (not from WTO and drones, of course)

[Shiden]

I won't be surprised if the Grad 1 installation is renamed into Tornado G VDV and they will not write that everything has been done from scratch. After all, such metamorphoses have already been taken by Soncepek, two tracks have been removed and it has already become Buratino, if I have not confused.

[Sancho_SP]

It is strange that they have not yet reached the 122 mm universal launcher and standardized interchangeable projectiles.

[uav80]

Why invent a bicycle if everything has been invented for a long time .. ??
9P125 you only need to change the chassis of the shishigi to KAMAZ ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Duc, even MLRS "Grad-V" has a younger relative ... abroad!

[uav80]

Here it is very much the youngest, only 4 guides, then it's easier to put Grad-P on an onboard Gazelle or UAZ Business ...)))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: uav80

it's easier to put Grad-P on an onboard Gazelle or UAZ Business ...)))

There is already such a thing! I mean LDNR! There, using the "pipes" from the damaged BM-21, they set up the production of not only analogs of "Grad-P", but also twin, triple and even quadruple installations ... a kind of "Grad-P2" and "Grad-P3" ...! These installations can be transported on light vehicles ... removed from the car and carried to the desired place ... or, in some cases, you can shoot from the car ...!

[Blackthrope]

Let's hope the CEO's dreams remain so.

[yelo]

all the same, it is obvious that the growing defense industry is being developed without a single concept and understanding of what needs to be done at all.

[And11]

It remains only to make Iskander landing ((Generally speaking, in modern conditions, the need for airborne equipment is very doubtful. Yes, and there will hardly be massive landings. It looks more like cutting the budget.)

[Radical]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: Radikal

there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to dushmans.

They did not "hand over" RPU-14 to the Chinese! The Chinese "made" the "Type 63" installation (12 "barrels", caliber: 107 mm) based on the BM-14 ...!

RPU-14 (16 "barrels"; caliber: 140 mm)

Type 63 (12 "barrels"; caliber: 107 mm)

They were given RPU-14 for service, and they (the Chinese), as usual, "fantasized" their ....

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Radikal

They were given RPU-14 for service, and they (the Chinese), as usual, "fantasized" their

I don’t remember that RPU-14 was transferred from the Union to China ... BM-14 was transferred to China ... Of course. in China they knew what RPU-14 "looks like" and this inspired them to create "Type 63"! But they slammed the technologies for the production of "type 63" with the BM-14 ... By the way, the Yugoslavs created for themselves a 32-barreled 128-mm MLRS, both towed and on a car chassis ... a kind of analogue of the BM-14 / RPU-14

[alystan]

As loudly stated "Develop", what has existed for a long time in different modifications with different capabilities and names, and naturally improved versions.
Why not just say "Modify for the needs of the Airborne Forces" and that's it? Or, as And11 correctly suggests, create a drop version of this product.

[Nikolay Sayenko]

I had 6 Grad-1 vehicles in my battery (Afghan). On the ZIL 130 base. Four pipes were missing, in their place there was a lifting mechanism. In the stowed position, the package did not exceed the height of the cabin. Therefore, she calmly entered the transport plane. Accordingly, there were 36 pipes and a volley lasted 18 seconds. So that the car was stable, there were two jacks to rest on the ground. Otherwise, the performance characteristics were fully consistent. Naturally, it was bad, at high elevation angles, stones were knocked out of the ground (rocky) by jets of gas from the ground (rocky), who beat the pipes, incapacitating them. Problem!

[Konnick]

Quote: tralflot1832

Loaded boxes with Grads in the army, the box says net weight 100 kg. 1981

And now the boxes will be dropped by parachutes? I do not understand the need of the Airborne Forces in such weapons as MLRS. One-time impact on the enemy? So what is next? Can you tell me what kind of ammunition load is being transported and can it be made drop-down?

[Konnick]

It seems that the defense industry is brewed in its own juice, i.e. leadership and planning by the relevant ministries, as it was under the USSR, is absent. So we get such initiatives that no one needs. Now the main thing is to interest the customer and get financing. Hence, there is a huge variety of all kinds of models of armored vehicles, shooters, released in small pre-production batches, but nothing really brought to mind.