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Russia is ready to develop MLRS "Tornado" for the Airborne Forces

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Russia is ready to develop MLRS "Tornado" for the Airborne Forces

If such a need arises, Russia is ready to develop the "Tornado" MLRS for the Airborne Forces. This task can be performed by the scientific and production association "Splav", which is part of the Technodinamika holding.


This statement was made in interview to the TASS news agency the general director of the enterprise Alexander Smirnov.

He stated that the association could begin work on a landing version of the Tornado-G MLRS with a caliber of 122 mm. He hopes that in the new state armaments program there will be an order for the creation of an installation on an appropriate chassis.

We are ready to do this work, it's up to the customer

- said the general director of NPO Splav.

The existing version of the 122-mm MLRS "Tornado-G" was created on the basis of the reactive system "Grad". He can fire in automatic mode, while at the same time in an unprepared position. Thanks to this, the calculation is able, by firing a volley, to quickly change position. It is enough for the operator to transfer the installation to the stowed position directly from the cockpit and leave the place from where the MLRS was firing.

In addition to plans to create a landing Tornado-G, Smirnov highlighted the company's work on the TOS-2 Tosochka heavy flamethrower system, the progress of tests of the Farming remote mining system and much more. This allows us to conclude that much attention is paid to the development of modern types of artillery in Russia.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 19 November 2021 13: 01
    +3
    Serial production of the latest guided missiles for the Tornado-S 300-mm multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) has begun.
    Rostec began serial production of guided missiles for MLRS "Tornado-S"


    “Such shells are already in series production. A long-term contract has been signed with the Ministry of Defense for their supply to the troops, "Smirnov was quoted by TASS as saying.

    According to him, preparations are also underway for preliminary tests of a new rocket with an unmanned aerial vehicle for the Smerch MLRS. “Currently, preparations are underway for conducting preliminary tests of an experimental batch of rockets with the participation of the customer,” added Smirnov.

    https://vz.ru/news/2021/11/19/1129898.html
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 19 November 2021 13: 15
      +2
      For the rest of my life I remembered that the Grad Projectile with a box of exactly 100 kg. Now I encountered such a problem, I can not comment on the article. I can only comment on the comments. There were no new warnings.
      1. mark1
        mark1 19 November 2021 13: 49
        +3
        You are not the only one with such a problem. For what and why without explanation (maybe you can even be proud, but it's not clear why)
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 19 November 2021 13: 53
          0
          It started yesterday. For what merits?
          1. mark1
            mark1 19 November 2021 13: 55
            +1
            I have at least 2 weeks, at one time I just answered comments on this, I did not notice.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 21 November 2021 08: 30
              0
              You just need to reload the site, well, that is. page and you can comment.
          2. venik
            venik 19 November 2021 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: tralflot1832
            It started yesterday. For what merits?

            ======
            I have a circus! Some articles are assessed, and some are not!
      2. KCA
        KCA 19 November 2021 14: 23
        0
        Fuck boxes, were they galvanized choli, or raw birch? Looked, the heaviest projectile 9M53F 70kg, 30kg box with shavings weighed?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 19 November 2021 14: 26
          +1
          Loaded boxes with Grads in the army, the box says net weight 100 kg. 1981
          1. KCA
            KCA 19 November 2021 14: 35
            +4
            Strange, no, I am not finding fault, but I just cannot find in the nomenclature of shells for the Grad any weighing more than 70 kg, but I found that already covered with dandruff, absolutely all, in the Airborne Forces there is a Grad-V airborne landing, what now to invent decided? Rearranging the guides on Sadko, is it so difficult? During the Second World War, such a task would have been solved in two weeks, including samples for testing, and now R&D will be scouted for billions and thousands of man-hours
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 19 November 2021 14: 37
              0
              Babakhs in all of them on a jeep - carts rivet.
              1. KCA
                KCA 19 November 2021 14: 39
                +1
                They rivet 80mm NURS on clamshells, and why only babakhi? Very progressive gayropeies from the 404 country are also riveting
            2. venik
              venik 19 November 2021 21: 41
              +3
              Quote: KCA
              found that already covered with dandruff, absolutely all, in the Airborne Forces there is a "Grad-V" airborne, what have you decided to invent now? Rearranging the guides on Sadko, is it so difficult?

              =======
              And there is not a problem in the chassis! There it is necessary to install topographic equipment, roll determination, and electric drives for precision guidance. It was possible to push all this canoe to the Ural without any problems ... But will it be possible to carry it to the airborne sheshik? This is the question! There, and so it was necessary to cut the number of guides from 40 to 12! And make the cockpit open (tented)! And where will this hefty box of devices fit under the block of barrels on the Tornado-G?

              No! Not everything is so simple - you can't do it "in a week" without helpers! Here at least TWO (weeks) are needed! laughing
      3. chenia
        chenia 20 November 2021 11: 29
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        I can not comment on the article. I can only comment on the comments

        You are not alone! When I type a comment, a set of letters flies out. This is when you “press“ send. ”And you can't see what you are typing.
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  3. Flooding
    Flooding 19 November 2021 13: 07
    +4
    an airborne MLRS will require an airborne transport-loading vehicle
    1. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 13: 57
      -1
      hail-p can be put on uvazik.
      1. alystan
        alystan 19 November 2021 15: 03
        0
        Why not go to the corner? laughing
    2. KCA
      KCA 19 November 2021 14: 43
      0
      Not a paratrooper, but why for a landing MLRS a landing TPM? They threw out the MLRS, they cleared the surrounding space and the landing party went / ran to capture the fortifications, heights and fix themselves, there is no time to reload the MLRS at all
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 19 November 2021 14: 54
        +1
        the bridgehead must not only be captured, but also held until the main forces arrive
        how to do it without ammunition and reloading?
        1. KCA
          KCA 19 November 2021 15: 19
          0
          Is it only airborne MLRS in the Airborne Forces? And "Sprut-SDM", and BMD, and "Nona-S", and "Drok",
          and "Birdies" who are parachuted with ammunition at all about anything?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 19 November 2021 15: 28
            0
            Quote: KCA
            Is it only airborne MLRS in the Airborne Forces?

            I did not understand the essence of the question
            do you mean that the RSZO can be charged manually like the other equipment you listed?
            1. KCA
              KCA 19 November 2021 15: 35
              0
              I mean, the landing MLRS performs a limited function during the direct landing of the assault, as well as on the landing ships, or the landing ships, having discharged the MLRS and landing the assault, are at anchor and await reloading? Have they fired, the ships left, the wheeled ones just abandoned and moved on, and the equipment I listed has all the ammunition required to carry out an amphibious operation, or stand in a ring around the MLRS for an hour while they are reloaded this excellent tactical solution?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 19 November 2021 15: 51
                0
                Quote: KCA
                We shot back, the ships left, the wheeled ones just abandoned and moved on

                "thrown"
                it's fine
                and what prevents "throwing" them together with TPM for reloading and further advance to a new firing line?
                1. KCA
                  KCA 19 November 2021 16: 06
                  0
                  The reload time, when the MLRS will be absolutely useless and will wait for missiles or shells from the enemy, unlike ACS and BMD, which will leave the place of the MLRS salvo, already known to the enemy, drag the MLRS and TPM into the bushes for tens of kilometers, hide for an hour- two, change your shoes, wait a couple of hours for instructions about a new position, move there, it's somehow long, after a salvo of MLRS in minutes, if the landing was expected, tactical ballistic missiles, like Iskander, would fly, one rocket would take down the fuck about six launchers, at least it will make it impossible to move, I have not seen it personally, on TV they showed a funnel from "Tochka-U", 30x5 meters, and also fragments and other crap
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 19 November 2021 16: 08
                    0
                    I understood you
                    throw so throw
                    together with the crews?
                    Or do you propose the concept of a one-time shot-and-throw rocket?
                    1. KCA
                      KCA 19 November 2021 16: 12
                      0
                      And what about the BTR-MDM? Will everyone have something to do, or are the MLRS crew trained to shoot only from it and to small arms or RPG-26 are not trained?
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 16: 18
                        0
                        and then look for replenishment in thinned crews, spend money on training
                        This is something new
                        need to think
  4. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 19 November 2021 13: 10
    0
    And on what basis will this be done?
    1. moreman78
      moreman78 19 November 2021 13: 18
      0
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      And on what basis will this be done?

      Everything has long been there - https://mshurutov.livejournal.com/132761.html
      In close cooperation of OJSC KAMAZ with the Main Directorate of the Airborne Troops of the Russian Federation and the State Enterprise MKPK Universal, on the basis of the KAMAZ-43501 vehicle, a light landing vehicle KAMAZ-43501 has been developed for the Airborne Forces. The vehicle is intended for manning the Airborne Forces units instead of the outdated and discontinued GAZ-66 vehicle and for landing it from air transport.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 19 November 2021 22: 41
        0
        Quote: moreman78
        In close cooperation of OJSC KAMAZ with the Main Directorate of the Airborne Troops of the Russian Federation and the State Enterprise MKPK Universal on the basis of the KAMAZ-43501 vehicle

        outdated information

        The company "Remdizel" (a branch of "KamAZ") is actively expanding the line of compact biaxial "Typhoons". K-4386 AMN-D is a multipurpose flatbed truck with an armored cabin, adapted for parachuting and capable of carrying up to three tons of cargo.

        Features:

        dimensions - 5980x2540x2400 mm,
        clearance - 410 mm,
        gross weight - 14 kg,
        engine - 350 hp diesel 610.10-350,
        maximum speed - 100 km / h,
        the maximum ford depth is 1,75 m.




        photos from the forum "Army-2021"

        read about other exhibits here:
        https://ru.motor1.com/reviews/529379/forum-army2021-vehicles/
        1. uav80
          uav80 22 November 2021 12: 40
          0
          The Czechs, on the other hand, managed to make a biaxial T815 on the basis of the Tatra ...

          1. Flooding
            Flooding 22 November 2021 12: 44
            0
            Quote: uav80
            The Czechs, on the other hand, managed to make a biaxial T815 on the basis of the Tatra

            the question is not in the number of axles
            and not in the possibility of landing, which the Czech woman probably does not have
            all these questions are solvable, and the tasks are achievable
    2. prior
      prior 19 November 2021 13: 51
      -1
      Install 10-12 rails on the BMD chassis, why not a landing MLRS ?!
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        1. prior
          prior 22 November 2021 12: 48
          0
          Is wheeled vehicles lower in height?
          It is clear that the BMD hull can be underestimated by the absence of a turret and troop compartment, as well as by a reduced number of guide barrels.
          Why not try. as an option.
      2. uav80
        uav80 22 November 2021 12: 46
        0
        With a package and a parachute system, the Il-76 will no longer fit ...




        and it is not always reliable ...

  5. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2021 13: 20
    -1
    Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks. sad
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 19 November 2021 13: 27
      -1
      range is low ... better a full-fledged hail package and reincarnation of Partizan-G
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 19 November 2021 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks. sad

      So the emphasis is now on the self-propelled chassis, and not on the tow hitch.
    3. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 13: 36
      0
      it has a short range (10km max). and the volley is strongly visible.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 19 November 2021 13: 47
        0
        The minimum firing range is shorter, airborne, more or less accurately launched from anything, up to a heap of earth.
    4. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 19 November 2021 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Why reinvent the wheel?
      Grad-in
      Grad-V aka BM-21V
      12 guides, caliber 122mm.
      Do you want "caterpillars" there is a variant of the BM-21VD based on the BMP-1 chassis (only a draft ...)
      soldier
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 19 November 2021 14: 54
        0
        Why waste time on trifles? request Can I go straight to the airborne "Smerch"? Take this "firing" block ... attach it to the "Tiger" ... and go!
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 19 November 2021 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Why waste time on trifles? request Take this "firing" block ... attach it to the "Tiger" ... and go!
          ws-3
          WS-3
          Caliber 400mm, warhead 200kg, range 200km (minimum 70km)
          Manufactured true China ...
          soldier
      2. Alexfly
        Alexfly 20 November 2021 12: 09
        0
        It would be interesting about the individual guidance of each projectile when correcting the flight to the target, as well as back in the past. The efficiency is minimal.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 20 November 2021 16: 40
          0
          Quote: AlexFly
          It would be interesting about the individual guidance of each projectile when correcting the flight to the target, as well as back in the past. The efficiency is minimal.
          The Chinese manufacturer claims that the WS-3 MLRS shells have an INS that gives 300m of accuracy, there is also a GPS correction that increases the accuracy to 50m
          hi
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 21 November 2021 13: 02
            0
            Is the accuracy of 300 meters (even 50) that. Assumes meter or 2 ...
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 21 November 2021 18: 47
              0
              Quote: AlexFly
              accuracy . Assumes meter or 2 ...
              Diameter-gauge = 400mm = 40cm - warhead 200kg or cassette 540 submunitions
              Want to hit a target ranging in size from 2 to 5 projectile-shot calibers ...
              belay
              You will be able to provide target designation at a distance of at least 70 km ...?
              what
              1. Alexfly
                Alexfly 22 November 2021 12: 50
                0
                70 km for the Airborne Forces? Do not make me laugh.....
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 November 2021 15: 12
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to dushmans.

      They did not "hand over" RPU-14 to the Chinese! The Chinese "made" the "Type 63" installation (12 "barrels", caliber: 107 mm) based on the BM-14 ...!

      RPU-14 (16 "barrels"; caliber: 140 mm)

      Type 63 (12 "barrels"; caliber: 107 mm)
  6. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2021 13: 31
    +1
    Quote: Barberry25
    range is low ... better a full-fledged hail package and reincarnation of Partizan-G

    And the weight, dimensions? And the Airborne Forces unit, thrown out to the rear, will conduct the DB at a distance of the "Grad" range? sad
  7. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2021 13: 34
    +2
    Quote: SKVichyakow
    Quote: Radikal
    Why reinvent the wheel? At one time, there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to the spooks. sad

    So the emphasis is now on the self-propelled chassis, and not on the tow hitch.

    What is the question - put RPU-14 on the chassis of the Tiger, or KAMAZ landing .... : sad
    By the way, this is what the militants did - they put them on Toyota in Afghanistan and in Syria. hi
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2021 13: 38
    +2
    Quote: yelo
    it has a short range (10km max). and the volley is strongly visible.

    Did you see the Grad volley live, did you see it nearby? How much soil does it raise at the moment? sad
    1. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 13: 52
      -3
      near the hail, a trail is visible and the flame is visible when firing. but because of the firing range, he will be able to dump from shelling (not from WTO and drones, of course)
  9. Shiden
    Shiden 19 November 2021 13: 39
    -4
    I won't be surprised if the Grad 1 installation is renamed into Tornado G VDV and they will not write that everything has been done from scratch. After all, such metamorphoses have already been taken by Soncepek, two tracks have been removed and it has already become Buratino, if I have not confused.
  10. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 19 November 2021 13: 44
    0
    It is strange that they have not yet reached the 122 mm universal launcher and standardized interchangeable projectiles.
  11. uav80
    uav80 19 November 2021 13: 49
    +3
    Why invent a bicycle if everything has been invented for a long time .. ??
    9P125 you only need to change the chassis of the shishigi to KAMAZ ...





    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 November 2021 19: 18
      +1
      Duc, even MLRS "Grad-V" has a younger relative ... abroad!
      1. uav80
        uav80 22 November 2021 12: 30
        0
        Here it is very much the youngest, only 4 guides, then it's easier to put Grad-P on an onboard Gazelle or UAZ Business ...)))
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 22 November 2021 13: 23
          0
          Quote: uav80
          it's easier to put Grad-P on an onboard Gazelle or UAZ Business ...)))

          There is already such a thing! I mean LDNR! There, using the "pipes" from the damaged BM-21, they set up the production of not only analogs of "Grad-P", but also twin, triple and even quadruple installations ... a kind of "Grad-P2" and "Grad-P3" ...! These installations can be transported on light vehicles ... removed from the car and carried to the desired place ... or, in some cases, you can shoot from the car ...!
  12. Blackthrope
    Blackthrope 19 November 2021 13: 53
    0
    Let's hope the CEO's dreams remain so.
    1. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 13: 59
      -2
      all the same, it is obvious that the growing defense industry is being developed without a single concept and understanding of what needs to be done at all.
  13. And11
    And11 19 November 2021 13: 58
    +3
    It remains only to make Iskander landing ((Generally speaking, in modern conditions, the need for airborne equipment is very doubtful. Yes, and there will hardly be massive landings. It looks more like cutting the budget.)
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2021 15: 17
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: Radikal
    there was a good installation RPU-14, which was handed over to the Chinese, and those during the Afghan war supplied it to dushmans.

    They did not "hand over" RPU-14 to the Chinese! The Chinese "made" the "Type 63" installation (12 "barrels", caliber: 107 mm) based on the BM-14 ...!

    RPU-14 (16 "barrels"; caliber: 140 mm)

    Type 63 (12 "barrels"; caliber: 107 mm)

    They were given RPU-14 for service, and they (the Chinese), as usual, "fantasized" their .... sad
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 November 2021 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      They were given RPU-14 for service, and they (the Chinese), as usual, "fantasized" their

      I don’t remember that RPU-14 was transferred from the Union to China ... BM-14 was transferred to China ... Of course. in China they knew what RPU-14 "looks like" and this inspired them to create "Type 63"! But they slammed the technologies for the production of "type 63" with the BM-14 ... By the way, the Yugoslavs created for themselves a 32-barreled 128-mm MLRS, both towed and on a car chassis ... a kind of analogue of the BM-14 / RPU-14
  15. alystan
    alystan 19 November 2021 15: 48
    0
    As loudly stated "Develop", what has existed for a long time in different modifications with different capabilities and names, and naturally improved versions.
    Why not just say "Modify for the needs of the Airborne Forces" and that's it? Or, as And11 correctly suggests, create a drop version of this product.
  16. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 20 November 2021 11: 41
    +2
    I had 6 Grad-1 vehicles in my battery (Afghan). On the ZIL 130 base. Four pipes were missing, in their place there was a lifting mechanism. In the stowed position, the package did not exceed the height of the cabin. Therefore, she calmly entered the transport plane. Accordingly, there were 36 pipes and a volley lasted 18 seconds. So that the car was stable, there were two jacks to rest on the ground. Otherwise, the performance characteristics were fully consistent. Naturally, it was bad, at high elevation angles, stones were knocked out of the ground (rocky) by jets of gas from the ground (rocky), who beat the pipes, incapacitating them. Problem!
  17. Konnick
    Konnick 21 November 2021 08: 38
    0
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Loaded boxes with Grads in the army, the box says net weight 100 kg. 1981

    And now the boxes will be dropped by parachutes? I do not understand the need of the Airborne Forces in such weapons as MLRS. One-time impact on the enemy? So what is next? Can you tell me what kind of ammunition load is being transported and can it be made drop-down?
  18. Konnick
    Konnick 21 November 2021 08: 47
    0
    It seems that the defense industry is brewed in its own juice, i.e. leadership and planning by the relevant ministries, as it was under the USSR, is absent. So we get such initiatives that no one needs. Now the main thing is to interest the customer and get financing. Hence, there is a huge variety of all kinds of models of armored vehicles, shooters, released in small pre-production batches, but nothing really brought to mind.