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I am a second-class Russian citizen!

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Yes, my dear and respected by the majority of readers, I am now a Russian negro or someone else. A person who has fallen under segregation. Moreover, on what basis - even I myself find it difficult to say so far. But the fact is that, despite all my obedience to the law, I was defeated in my rights and now I will look longingly in the windows of shops and cinemas that are now inaccessible to me. For it turned out the way it happened.


Probably, it is worth saying a few words to describe your body. For fifty dollars he is healthy to the point of indecency. There is hypertension, which he received as a punishment for a superfast parting with cigarettes. That is why I walk about 5-8 km per day on foot, or in a warm period from 10 km on a bike. Of the doctors, I visit a dentist and visit a psychologist, but she ran away from me.


Where the devil wore me in the last lockdown, you can see the articles. As for the whole covid idea, in my city it is unrealistic to take it 100% seriously, because in the city and regional administrations there are clowns who only eat into their heads, but they cannot think very much from there. Not trained. Therefore (our editor-in-chief will not let him lie) some kind of carnival of madness is taking place in my Voronezh. But more on that later.

In general, I took the idea with covid last year for myself. Masks, less shopping ... well, I work at home anyway, so it's okay. When the vaccination campaign began, I was not in the forefront. I almost don't use transport, I comply with sanitary requirements - I really was in no hurry. I watched the development of events. I didn't really like the development of events, if only by the fact that the entire informational component of vaccinations consisted of lies by 80%. But this is also a separate topic.

Then it so happened that a very peculiar lady appeared in my life, who in the first lockdown had had this infection. And the fact that she fell ill again less than a year later was somehow a surprise. Moreover, she did it at the peak of the incidence, we waited for the smear results for five days. And on the sixth day, a positive result comes ...

Well, to be honest, I was a little upset. God knows how it will go. I got nervous, but then I calmed my nerves (yes, that's right, in Russian) and began to wait for him to come, wagging his white fluffy tail.

Time passed, Lena had already been cured of covid, sent to a (departmental) hospital for rehabilitation, but I still couldn't. Well, really, if only the temperature rose once ... If only he sneezed ... My head ached in the morning, but this is from the treatment of nerves.

A month later, it dawned on me that I should see a doctor. Well, as he finally calmed his nerves, he matured. And at the same time, and test the waters about vaccination. And then the people around are falling in piles, something must be done. You know, there is such a burning sensation sometimes ... Refurbish the fence, paint the gate ... Here's something like that.

The doctor at the nearest clinic listened to me very thoughtfully and sent me for a test first. For the presence of antibodies. She said that I couldn’t be under a tank slip through, the size is not the same. As an obedient patient, I immediately went and passed.

The results surprised us.

I am a second-class Russian citizen!

It turns out that while my lady was struggling with the virus, which gave her several unpleasant days, those bacilli that I cultivated and nurtured inside myself, pouring a potion of my own production (yes, we are driving, there is such a thing), they simply ate the Covid tribe and did not even burp never. Truly, there is a proverb on the topic of what does not stick to ...

Well, and by the number you understood that in my blood such a crowd of these antibodies is sitting and waiting for Kovidich to appear. To eat it.

Pleasantly? Seems Yes. But as it turned out, no.

The doctor hacked the idea to get vaccinated. It makes no sense at all, you can make it worse. And then began what I’m all for history and began to paint.

Then, to my displeasure, I found out that the fact that I am so healthy from myself is bad. The fact that I endured everything without pain on my legs. It's just disgusting and I won't get the desired kurocode. As in Prostokvashino, I have no documents!

That is, in order to become a full-fledged member of society, I have to submit only two options for papers:
1. Two PCR tests, positive and negative. That's it, I’ve been ill, I’m free!
2. Certificate of vaccination. Also an eagle, get a brand and live like a man.

Naturally, in both cases, a full span. I cannot provide tests, because it makes sense to do them without temperature, well, at least 37,5? By the way, up to 38 degrees in our clinics are accepted so, you yourself will come. And there you can catch anything you want. Honestly, I didn’t want to visit my district, that’s why I’m healthy, probably.

There is no point in doing the vaccination either. If only to get completely instilled with bullshit, but we only have "Sputnik". So that's not an option either.

And in my case, the kurocode is not required. The fact that I did not strain the state with my illness does not count. I had to participate in the full sense of the word. And so - somehow frivolous.

If you heard what heresy the employees of hot lines on covid carried, Zadornov in the next world would tear his hair out if he heard. I just laughed heartily.

Everything that was conveyed to me is that the Ministry of Health THINKS over this issue. And what is there to think? They have already written on the Internet that they will work on this issue. They will develop and approve a program where necessary, establish standards for the presence of antibodies, bungle a couple of committees, and allocate funds. Means are yes, they are the magic word. And then with this money, special laboratories will be equipped in each city, where they will test citizens for the amount of antibodies in organisms.

Kill me, I don’t understand, this is a prerequisite - to spend just a few next billions? Why can't you do analyzes in accredited laboratories? Probably not. Our government has some kind of mania to spend money on all sorts of garbage, such as creating separate laboratories. Oh, yes, also tenders have to be played for purchased reagents ...

In general - until the middle of next year they are definitely transported. And then either the donkey dies, or the check changes his mind.

В общем, получилась из меня такая вся негра. You can't go to the cinema, you can't go to a shopping center, you shouldn't even stutter about cafes and restaurants. You can go to the pharmacy and for food. Everything.


The most annoying thing is that it’s because I’m too healthy. This is unforgivable. Having chewed covid, my body thereby caused financial damage to the Rothenberg, Kharitonin and other participants in the medical market. Well, of course, I haven't bought a single Arbidol tablet! The vaccine, paid for from the budget, will not wait for me now ...

Maybe it's easier to take it out of the outskirts altogether, and put a bullet in the back of the head there?

Here, on the contrary, I would issue coupons for enhanced nutrition, because I did it myself. As we had self-isolation at our own expense, so the continuation itself is self-healing. And also at your own expense! So no ...

In general, now, until the level of antibodies drops to 150 BAU / ml, I can be calm: I am too tough for Covid. It will fall from 1324 to 150 for now ... But I am not entitled to the code either. Muzzle did not come out in the literal sense of the word. Hey, I have that ... healthy and radiant.

And now I will watch the lucky ones for whom the black and white crap opens all the doors.


True, in pursuit of the development of the budget, our rulers and deputies will come up with something fun more than once. Without this, there is definitely no way. And they will finally and irrevocably turn the country into a mess, where there are no laws. More precisely, there are laws, but no one cares about them, because such is the time.

Here's a very simple example for you. You go into a store (I can't write "I", I'm not supposed to, I'm a Negro), and there is a body at the entrance. Or even a whole organism. Not in a white coat, not in the uniform of a police officer, not even in the uniform of a private security company. And he, the organism, requires you to show him a code confirming that you are not dangerous to society. QR code.

You present. But try to ask him back! And nothing of the kind! He does not have the right not to show, and you do not have the right to demand!

Interesting situation, isn't it? You are stopped by a traffic police officer and the first thing he does is introduce himself. And if you didn’t like something in his behavior, then you must also show your ID.

And here a completely incomprehensible body, in an incomprehensible form (and often without it) requires you to present not only a code, but also a passport! And it, the body, is absolutely not obliged to show you anything! Neither your ID, nor your QR code. Regional acts, do you understand ...

I do not understand the obscurantism taking place in the country. A sanitary doctor can build a governor. Yes, someone like ours would be nice, but not a medical doctor!

By the way, I don’t know how anyone, but in my city there is a requirement for vaccination of 80% of employees of enterprises working with people. That is, it is quite possible that when checking your documents, an unvaccinated and anonymous organism will breathe on you.

It is not spelled out anywhere on the basis of which all these guards, controllers, cleaners and janitors have the right to check documents. And on the basis of which you, as citizens of the Russian Federation, are obliged to present your passports to these controllers and cleaners. It turns out to be nonsense: you, as a citizen, have to show your passport and vaccination certificate to another citizen, who is generally unclear who.

Thousands of calls to the police on these occasions in the early days of the great LochDown. I sincerely sympathized with the police, because all these watchmen came out of their hearts on the buyers.
But in our country only the security forces are endowed with the right to check documents. Ordinary citizens are not allowed to do this. Neither the security guards, nor the private security officers, nor the janitors and controllers - all of them are not endowed with the rights of security officials. For now, at least.

Accordingly, this whole stupid carnival is completely illegal.

Our beloved State Duma annually gives birth to 2-3 thousand laws and other documents such as amendments and additions. Covid is not the first day in the country. Yes, then we had TA Duma, and now THIS. It's okay that the composition is 70% the same, there were no legal acts and laws, and there are still no.

There is a legislative mess in the country. Deputies are not able to fulfill what they receive a half-million salary from a bunch of other benefits. They cannot clearly say who, how and where should confront the pandemic.

Therefore, the czar-governors are beginning to create unconstitutional and illegal lawlessness on the ground. Also not from great knowledge. But the fish, as you know, rots from the head.

And that's when second-class citizens start to appear. Not provided for by vaccinations and PCR tests. The third option, which was immediately subjected to institutional segregation. Contrary to everything our president said there.

Someone may say: but would have been grafted on time, none of this would have happened.

Perhaps. But I preferred to observe the situation. By the way, having realized their constitutional right. In short, wait until there are at least some intelligible test results. Moreover, I have a very small contact circle.

And in the end: I would very much like our government to start working not only on the general corral of the population for vaccination. And first of all, everything would be settled precisely within the framework of the law. To make it initially clear and understandable who, where and why.

So far, all this throwing is not credible. Not a penny. All the more so when I myself, unwittingly, became a man of the third grade. Well, let's wait until the Duma comes up with something sensible.


In the meantime, without a black-and-white QR code, I will stay in real color for now. So your colored, see you soon! The main thing is to be healthy, the kurocodes will follow. Probably.
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  1. Coward
    Coward 20 November 2021 05: 57
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    But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 20 November 2021 06: 04
      +16
      This is exactly what they did in Singapore. The insurance does not cover the unvaccinated.
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 06: 11
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        This is exactly what they did in Singapore. The insurance does not cover the unvaccinated.

        I wonder if this is the advanced experience of a developed country or “this is different. Need to understand "?
        1. Revival
          Revival 20 November 2021 13: 10
          +43
          You can refer to the example of a developed country only when you ensure the same standard of living for the people, otherwise you refer somehow one-sidedly all the time only to some kind of disgrace.
          Comfortable position ...
          First you need to become a developed country to refer to the example of developed countries
          1. letinant
            letinant 20 November 2021 14: 39
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            Quote: Revival
            You can refer to the example of a developed country only when you ensure the same standard of living for the people, otherwise you refer somehow one-sidedly all the time only to some kind of disgrace.
            Comfortable position ...
            First you need to become a developed country to refer to the example of developed countries

            Do you really want to be like in Singapore !? Then what are you doing here? Go to Singapore, sit in quarantine, prove that you are not sick. If you get sick, treatment at your own expense (unless, of course, vaccinated). For the posts that you write here, imprisonment. For a citizen has not only rights, but also obligations. The obligation not to infect other citizens, which means the mask is always and everywhere, as soon as he left the house, until the moment he returned to his house. Choice of gloves and goggles, but the mask is not negotiable. There is solid liberalism in our country. And the majority of citizens demand only rights, "I have rights!", "My freedom!" Duties of the Lord, duties.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 20 November 2021 14: 56
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              I have nothing to poke around here. And why are you suggesting to plant me here? Knock, no questions asked. Just open the name. I took root as soon as the opportunity arose. Yes, and then fell ill a little. So what? Our people are even stabbed in the head. Some of my acquaintances even started trying to talk about the fascist dictatorship. And I, too, in my hearts, would have introduced this. These anti-axers pulled up. At first, they were not covid. Now the vaccine is not the same, Then the devil knows what.
              1. Revival
                Revival 20 November 2021 15: 21
                +20
                Well, by the way, about at first they "didn't have a covid", refer to TV channels and watch the joyful programs of the beginning of the 20th year
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 20 November 2021 15: 46
                +25
                Quote: mmaxx
                Some of my acquaintances even started trying to talk about the fascist dictatorship.

                You seem to have just come out of suspended animation. Welcome to the land of healthy conservatism. If you do not understand, then we are already with one foot there.
                1. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 22 November 2021 10: 21
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                  Have you been to the free world? Can you compare with our orders? We have - anarchy, mother order.
              3. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 20 November 2021 22: 38
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                The motto of arrogant free uninhibited people

                Freedom for me, freedom! I want to walk everywhere freely and sneeze on anyone!
                And if someone doesn't like it?
                Don't give a damn about them! I want to walk everywhere freely and sneeze on anyone! laughing laughing laughing
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 23: 15
                  +13
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  I want to walk everywhere freely and sneeze on anyone!

                  I have been coughing for 32 years due to chronic bronchitis. Come on, Mashkov, pack me in the gas chamber, so that I don't make you nervous, Mulya.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 21 November 2021 13: 03
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                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    I want to walk everywhere freely and sneeze on anyone!

                    I have been coughing for 32 years due to chronic bronchitis. Come on, Mashkov, pack me in the gas chamber, so that I don't make you nervous, Mulya.

                    First, the Vladimir, I sincerely wish you health and good quality treatment. Including a psychiatrist.
                    Secondly, I don’t remember that someone in Russia was going to be sent to the gas chambers because of the refusal to get vaccinated. Вы, как и холёный "российский негр" laughing , "victim of segregation" laughing, "second class citizen" laughing , "candidate for execution" laughing and "fighter for the freedom of Russians" laughing VERY MUCH exaggerating.
                    Thirdlyhanging out anywhere in crowded places without a mask (in your opinion, a muzzle) and harshly coughing, you are not making me nervous (I am far from you), but your reasonable fellow citizens, observing safety rules, who, quite reasonably, see you as a threat to their own health during an epidemic of a fatal disease.
                    hi
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 21 November 2021 19: 37
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                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Including a psychiatrist.

                      They will go crazy, treat me. I'd rather drink vodka.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 21 November 2021 19: 48
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Including a psychiatrist.

                        They will go crazy, treat me. I'd rather drink vodka.

                        You misunderstood me. Many chronic diseases from diseases of the nervous system. Maybe yours too. Although, perhaps, I confused a psychiatrist with a neuropathologist ... hi

                        And the "Leader", enraged with anger, is just a provocateur, I'm not going to send anyone to death. No.
                    2. SNA
                      SNA 22 November 2021 12: 28
                      +1
                      Have you forgotten about tuber and hepatitis?
                  2. The leader of the Redskins
                    The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 17: 58
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                    It’s lucky for you that you don’t have a Ukrainian passport. Then Pan Mashkov would send you to the gas chamber even without a diagnosis ...
              4. Tank hard
                Tank hard 22 November 2021 09: 54
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                Quote: mmaxx
                I took root as soon as the opportunity arose. Yes, and then fell ill a little. So what? Our people are even stabbed in the head. Some of my acquaintances even started trying to talk about the fascist dictatorship. And I, too, in my hearts, would have introduced this. These anti-axers pulled up. At first, they were not covid. Now the vaccine is not the same, Then the devil knows what.

                Whether it was covid or not, the topic is murky. What do I remember? I remember citizens visiting "abroad" in the midst of an already announced pandemic. That, pensioners were basically or close to the so-called. "creative class" and "effective managers"? A rhetorical question ... That all those arriving in the country were quarantined? Again, a rhetorical question ... I was ill with something ... During the course of this unknown ARVI, I lost my taste and smell. The doctors said that the case for ARVI is common, they did not take any tests. For all my 48 years of life, I have had a huge amount of ARVI and have never lost my sense of smell and taste ... But the doctors apparently know better. Was vaccinated, got a chicken code. Not so long ago I got sick again. Again, not that ... No tests for me, for admission to the polyclinic routinely in the general mass of other visitors. You don't need any chicken codes for this. But in a grocery store located in any shopping center, you need both a chicken code and a passport, the coolest thing is that they just don't let them in with a passport (which is not legal), but you can do it with a chicken code. This means that the digital code is already more important than the passport of a citizen of the country ?! Pretty deeds ... It would seem that what is it to me? There is a code, show it at the entrance and enter. But I don't like this situation, it smells bad. These old people huddling at the entrance to that grocery store ... These people, as if in custody, are quietly passing by the code number. This business is heading for the abyss. along with loans that must be paid, but there is nothing to pay from, because these shops are empty, where the chicken code is required at the entrance. And you have to pay rent, etc. And if the country's leadership does not need citizens so much, then why do citizens need such leadership? In general, is there a pandemic just like a pandemic? Or is what WHO officials say is accepted as the absolute truth by default? I don’t really trust this organization, and I’m not alone. Nothing is really known about the vaccine, except for PR on central TV and in the official media. This applies not only to the Russian vaccine, but in general to all the other unexpectedly created in such a short time. What tests were there? What's in the lineup? In general, vaccination during an already ongoing epidemic, is this correct or not? And they are already selling these chicken codes. speak in full. And it is not possible to guarantee you that an individual who sneezes in your direction with a chicken code is not sick and infectious. So. that there are much more questions than answers.
                1. Flank
                  Flank 22 November 2021 15: 25
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                  There was a period in history when food was given on ration cards. Cards were more important than passports, and you could see old people huddling at the entrance to the grocery store. And God forbid if the card was stolen.

                  What am I doing? And to the fact that time dictates the conditions and if so now, then out of the blue. And if you are too lazy to go and get the cards, oh, that is, get vaccinated, then you don’t need to accuse Stalin that the state is starving you and doesn’t give out cereals and bread without a card.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 22 November 2021 21: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: Flanke
                    There was a period in history when food was given on ration cards. Cards were more important than passports, and you could see old people huddling at the entrance to the grocery store. And God forbid if the card was stolen.

                    What am I doing? And to the fact that time dictates the conditions and if so now, then out of the blue. And if you are too lazy to go and get the cards, oh, that is, get vaccinated, then you don’t need to accuse Stalin that the state is starving you and doesn’t give out cereals and bread without a card.

                    How are you tying Stalin to the digital code? Why do you have an avatar of Lenin? Yeltsin or Mussolini is more suitable for you. fat trolling is not an art, it is a failure. Fill three sixes on your forehead, it will be both truthful and fashionable. wink
            2. Revival
              Revival 20 November 2021 15: 24
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              In fact, I just did not refer to Singapore, the most guards like to do this, only one-sidedly, like look at the retirement age in Europe!
              It should also!
              And as the size of pensions, so immediately the hypocrisy of the 100th level, this is different ...
              Disgrace
              1. letinant
                letinant 21 November 2021 11: 21
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                Quote: Revival
                In fact, I just did not refer to Singapore, the most guards like to do this, only one-sidedly, like look at the retirement age in Europe!
                It should also!
                And as the size of pensions, so immediately the hypocrisy of the 100th level, this is different ...
                Disgrace

                What does pensions have to do with it? Have you read the title of the article and the article?
                1. Revival
                  Revival 21 November 2021 16: 12
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                  Don't you understand an example?
                  here they also refer to foreign experience, hypocritically one-sided, pulling out only favorable places for themselves.
                  And with pensions it was most obvious, so he gave it as a vivid example of a similar hypocritical approach, as in this topic
                  1. letinant
                    letinant 21 November 2021 22: 59
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                    Quote: Revival
                    Don't you understand an example?
                    here they also refer to foreign experience, hypocritically one-sided, pulling out only favorable places for themselves.
                    And with pensions it was most obvious, so he gave it as a vivid example of a similar hypocritical approach, as in this topic

                    What clarity, we are talking about the weather and then you shout out "and Karl is a sorcerer." What is an example? I pulled out a topic not related to the discussion, threw it in and you look. You are my friend PROVOCATOR.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 22 November 2021 00: 17
                      +5
                      You seem to be an ordinary troll, or did you really catch an example of hypocrisy?
                      1. letinant
                        letinant 22 November 2021 03: 16
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                        Quote: Revival
                        You seem to be an ordinary troll, or did you really catch an example of hypocrisy?

                        You speak hypocrisy. Well then. Are you my friend? Done your duty? Debt to the people of your country. That the population will not urgently pour money into your treatment. I saw you like that, "yes, it's all garbage" and then "I choke, help, but what kind of doctors are you, the Hippocratic oath!" And if you want a joke, our medical workers do not take the "Hippocratic Oath". Or do you first put some money in order to increase your well-being? Hypocrisy, huh.
                    2. vic02
                      vic02 22 November 2021 09: 17
                      +3
                      What clarity, we are talking about the weather and then you shout out "and Karl is a sorcerer." What is an example? I pulled out a topic not related to the discussion, threw it in and you look. You are my friend PROVOCATOR.

                      Analogy (ancient Greek ἀναλογία "proportion, correspondence, proportionality") - similarity, equality of relations; similarity of objects, phenomena, processes, quantities, etc. in any properties, as well as knowledge by comparison.
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аналогия
            3. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 21 November 2021 11: 26
              +25
              Sit in quarantine? Sure, not a problem. Only this quarantine must be declared, as required by law 52-FZ, with the responsibility of the state to the population and organizations for the loss of work, with the payment of compensation, as prescribed in the legislation, which the authorities did not give a damn about and shifted everything onto the shoulders of the layman, survive as you want, having come up with self-isolation regimes and non-working days, not enshrined in any laws, freely interpreting the Constitution. They introduced compulsory vaccination for a number of citizens, but why then do you give a signature of voluntary consent before vaccination? I'm not against vaccinations, but do it honestly and transparently.
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx 20 November 2021 14: 52
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            It is not necessary to whine about the level, but to work. Then the country will become developed. And if you destroy everything to hell twice in a century, then all you have to do is whine: "Make us developed" ... Who owes you and what? Putin?
            1. Revival
              Revival 20 November 2021 15: 22
              +33
              First, you need to let the earned not go to yachts and villas, otherwise you will not earn everything for everything
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 20 November 2021 19: 14
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                Quote: Revival
                First, you need to let the earned not go to yachts and villas, otherwise you will not earn everything for everything

                You need to be ABLE to earn. And this is difficult. These are sleepless nights, and risk, and all kinds of scammers. I do not mean individual super-rich "accidents". But there are many workers in the country who have earned their honest earnings. But there are orders of magnitude more freeloaders, alas.
                1. Zefr
                  Zefr 26 November 2021 15: 15
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                  Well, right, in order to make money, you need to be able to scam
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            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 23: 18
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              Quote: mmaxx
              It is not necessary to whine about the level, but to work. Then the country will become developed. And if you destroy everything to hell twice in a century, then all you have to do is whine: "Make us developed" ... Who owes you and what? Putin?

              Tell me first that you are working.
          3. QWERTY
            QWERTY 21 November 2021 18: 36
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            How do you need to ensure this level? Lead to a high-paying job by the handle? Jobs and opportunities - the sea. And regarding some tests for antibodies of Mr. Skomorokhov - he would have done this analysis in 4 different places - he would have received different numbers. Perhaps this is why such analyzes are not recognized as a reason for refusing vaccination. And then the person found some reason, like an anti-Axeman - now he whines, how he was offended. Now, there would be a virus with a mortality rate of 50 percent - the whole country would have died out, because people have slag in their heads.
            1. Revival
              Revival 21 November 2021 22: 38
              +8
              Who do you mean?

              TASS from 20.10.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX:
              "" I haven't gotten the vaccine yet, because I have a very high level of antibodies. I still have it, "said Peskov.

              "The vaccination is done in order to get antibodies. I have it [the level of antibodies] is still too high to be vaccinated. I am waiting for it to drop," the Kremlin spokesman continued.
              The press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation moved the covid to May 2020. "

              IN MAY 2020!
          4. Barberry25
            Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 46
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            like that at one time in another developed country on command they instilled everyone .. without fail, but now "and you provide, but you don't have the right, cococo" .. that one of these days they buried one, also shouted about that " do not have the right ", so he was buried, and half of the family is in intensive care now .. heat further against vaccination
        2. Hitriy Zhuk
          Hitriy Zhuk 20 November 2021 23: 02
          +8
          Quote: vladimir1155
          only got sick and dying more in this singapore because of vaccinations


          1) THIS IS ANOTHER UNDERSTANDING
          2) One fig "big pharma" is not subject to jurisdiction, over there in Germany when children were poisoned with thalidomide - the government paid compensation, and not those who produced the poison.
      2. aglet
        aglet 20 November 2021 07: 25
        +28
        "This is exactly what they did in Singapore. Insurance does not pay for the unvaccinated."
        and cho, did it help?
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 20 November 2021 10: 53
          +11
          Quote: aglet
          "This is exactly what they did in Singapore. Insurance does not pay for the unvaccinated."
          and cho, did it help?

          only got sick and dying more in this singapore because of vaccinations
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 47
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            and as usual Vovochka1155 will screw up with proofs that they die from vaccination?
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 21 November 2021 23: 40
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              Quote: Barberry25
              screw up with proofs

              lying barberry! https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33000172/
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 22 November 2021 10: 54
                -8
                and again Vova put himself in his pants ... there it is about the fact that keeping distance is an important stage in the fight against coronavirus, but not the only one and you need to look for other options ... and yes ... article from February 2021 ... that is. in fact, 2 months after the start of vaccination ... And what now? right! Singapore requires vaccinations from all its citizens ... so Vovochka screwed up again ...
                1. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 22 November 2021 11: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Barberry25
                  2021 year ... i.e. in fact, 2 months after the start of vaccination.

                  oh that's how, I haven't calmed down yet! Catch our calf and the wolf?
                  https://tass.ru/obschestvo/12657213 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2tXEUYEiOI
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 22 November 2021 11: 27
                    -5
                    the moment when Little Johnny continues to put a bunch in his pants .. then you yell that "they began to get sick and die more because of vaccination", then you throw off the article where the "expert" directly says that vaccination can reduce mortality and severe course ...
                    Mass vaccination cannot completely stop the spread of coronavirus, but it makes it possible to reduce the risk of complications and mortality of the disease. This opinion was expressed by the head of the infectious diseases department of the Huashan Hospital in Shanghai, Zhang Wenhong, at the International Biopharmaceutical Industry Week (IBIWS) held in the metropolis, the Dii Saijing information resource reported on Wednesday.
                    1. Vladimir1155
                      Vladimir1155 22 November 2021 11: 32
                      +1
                      lying barberry! how long will you cheat? Here is a direct quote from the links I gave Zhang Wenhong cited the example of Singapore, where the level of immunization of the population through vaccinations exceeded 80%, but the number of infected is growing.

                      “We see that in Singapore over 80% of residents received both doses of the vaccine, but we still do not see evidence that the epidemiological situation has returned to normal. On the contrary, we see that, as Singapore gradually opens, there is a consistent increase in the incidence ", - he said. The specialist also cited the example of the United States, where with an increase in the number of vaccinated, an increase in the number of infected among those who received the vaccine is recorded.
                      1. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 20
                        -5
                        and where are the words about "the vaccine is to blame for the increase in morbidity"? so I'm wondering .. you were probably either dropped in childhood, or so illogical from birth)
                      2. Vladimir1155
                        Vladimir1155 22 November 2021 13: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        where are the words about

                        lying barberry! you do not know how to think with your head, and to establish logical connections? if vaccination in Singapore is higher than in the Russian Federation, and the incidence is also higher .... and a similar situation is the United States Israel and Mongolia? then the vaccine is to blame for the increase in the incidence .... increase education https://karlov-andrei.ru/upload/iblock/ea4/ea42100cfa9bf87dc278db8be2c3c9ca.pdf
                      3. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 46
                        -1
                        hmm ... you really are not friends with your head ... that's why everyone considers you a fool here)
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 20 November 2021 14: 58
          +4
          I think that there will be fewer problems. Unfortunately, the path is not ours (((((. And there are many Chinese.
      3. flicker
        flicker 20 November 2021 14: 33
        +23
        Insurance does not pay for the unvaccinated
        In our country, every worker is deducted from 5% and more to the compulsory health insurance (compulsory health insurance).
        And given that there are more unvaccinated than vaccinated, we get that the vaccinated are paid for by the deductions of the unvaccinated.
        Fine? good
        1. bragin
          bragin 21 November 2021 09: 50
          -5
          It is not true.
          1. flicker
            flicker 21 November 2021 23: 13
            0
            It is not true.
            What exactly is not true.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 47
          .
          taking into account the cost of treatment of the unvaccinated, it is the vaccinated who pay for the idiocy of the covid dissidents
          1. flicker
            flicker 21 November 2021 23: 17
            +3
            taking into account the cost of treatment for the unvaccinated
            and the cost of treatment of the vaccinated is it less? Exactly the same.
            The vaccinated just provoke the emergence of new, more pathogenic strains.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 22 November 2021 10: 48
              -6
              who told you such nonsense? but well, yes, they came up with it themselves, in most cases the vaccinated are treated at home at their own expense, but the intensive care units are crammed mainly by those who are not vaccinated and the price of the medicine there is completely different, so do not write that in what you DO NOT understand
              1. flicker
                flicker 22 November 2021 10: 54
                +4
                vaccinated in most cases are treated at home at their own expense, but intensive care units are mostly crammed by those who are not vaccinated and the price of the medicine there is completely different, so do not write what you DO NOT understand

                Come on. But the official data of the French Ministry of Health suggests otherwise.
                official data from the French Ministry of Health.
                “These numbers are not the fiction of some vaccine refractory. These are completely official figures from DREES, the “statistical” service of the Ministry of Health. We learn that on October 31st (the date of the latest data) 26 vaccinated people were admitted to the intensive care unit against "everything" 23 unvaccinated... The same is observed in ordinary hospitalizations "

                IA Red Spring
                Read the full article here:
                https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/04081dc1

                How do you like that?
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 22 November 2021 11: 18
                  -6
                  really? refer to Kurginyan) and another moment .. and the rest of the days you can find out .. well, at least statistics for a month?
                  1. flicker
                    flicker 22 November 2021 12: 03
                    +2
                    refer to Kurginyan
                    good good Not on Kurginyan, but on Le Figaro, if that. You would at least read what is written there.
                    If you are too lazy, I will explain.
                    These numbers (26 vaccinated versus 23 NOT vaccinated) are explained as follows:
                    if 100% of the population were vaccinated, then all hospitalized people would be vaccinated, which was required to be proved "

                    IA Red Spring
                    Read the full article here:
                    https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/04081dc1

                    ---
                    How can this be explained by the example of numbers:
                    There is a virus and 100 people and no vaccine.
                    10 people fell ill and all 10 were not vaccinated.
                    Further, a vaccine appeared, 100 out of 10 people were vaccinated, out of 100 again 10 people fell ill, 9 of them (with an even distribution) would be not vaccinated, 1 vaccinated.
                    Further, out of 100 people 50 were vaccinated, out of 100 fell ill again 10, but now the distribution will be: 5 people vaccinated and 5 not vaccinated.
                    With 90 vaccinated out of 100, we get that among the diseased there are 9 vaccinated and 1 unvaccinated.
                    ----
                    This is how Le Figaro explains the statistics of the French Ministry of Health. Like, there are too many vaccinated and therefore the number of cases among the vaccinated in relation to the unvaccinated is growing
                    ---
                    But in fact, we get that vaccination does not save and does not seem to save one from the disease.
                    Well, everyone is vaccinated and the vaccinated will get sick, and what will it make it easier?
                    And all because the virus mutates and no vaccination can catch up with it.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 23
                      -5
                      the link goes to Kurginyan, who pulled out one case for the sake of his repulsed theory about "don't you dare to get vaccinated!" .. But if you take REAL statistics, it turns out that:
                      Vaccination against COVID-19 has shown a high degree of effectiveness in France in terms of preventing hospitalizations and deaths if vaccinated with coronavirus are infected, French media reported on Monday, citing a study by the Epi-Phare medical group working with the French government.

                      The researchers found that 14 days after receiving the second dose of vaccines, those vaccinated are 90% less at risk of going to the hospital or dying if they become infected with the coronavirus. At the same time, a significant protective effect is observed in the case of the "delta" strain - 84% for people aged 75 and older and 92% for people aged 50 - 75 years.

                      The media clarified that this study, which focused on preventing the severe course of COVID-19, confirms the data on the effectiveness of vaccinations from the United States, Great Britain and Israel. However, researchers in France said their work was unprecedented in scale.

                      The researchers analyzed data collected since December 2020, when the French vaccination campaign kicked off. Experts compared information on 22 million people over 50 years old - 11 million vaccinated and 11 million of those who did not receive the vaccine. The experts formed "pairs" of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated - the same age, gender, place of residence, and traced their lives from the moment the vaccinated received the second dose of the drug and until July 20.

                      The study focuses on Pfizer / BioNtech, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines.
                      1. flicker
                        flicker 22 November 2021 14: 33
                        -2
                        Vaccination against COVID-19 has shown a high degree of effectiveness in France in terms of preventing hospitalizations and deaths if vaccinated with coronavirus are infected, French media reported on Monday, citing a study by the Epi-Phare medical group working with the French government.
                        This is the data for October 11th.
                        And here is what is reported on November 22:
                        In France, they announced the rapid start of the fifth wave of COVID-19. The fifth wave of coronavirus in France starts fast. This statement was made on Sunday by the representative of the Cabinet of Ministers Gabriel Attal on the air of the radio station Europe 1. According to him, over the week the number of new cases of infection has increased by almost 80 percent, writes RIA Novosti. On average, 17 thousand cases are recorded daily. The politician noted that now there are 100 cases of COVID-164 per 19 thousand inhabitants, and at the beginning of last week there were 100 cases per 100 thousand people.

                        So it's not evening yet.
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 14: 41
                        -3
                        Well, yes, a terrible fifth wave..20 thousand cases per day and up to 80 dead at most ... or a year ago, when up to 20 thousand fell ill and died up to 1 per day .. well, no difference .. the vaccine clearly does not work, yeah ..
                      3. flicker
                        flicker 22 November 2021 15: 57
                        -1
                        Well, yes, a terrible fifth wave ... 20 thousand cases per day and up to 80 deaths maximum ... or a year ago, when up to 20 thousand fell ill and died up to 1
                        Not yet evening.
                        We are talking about waves: rise - decline - rise - decline yes
                        And not just about the wave but
                        about the impetuous The beginning fifth wave

                        Be patient. yes
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 16: 16
                        -3
                        and what does it change? vaccination has already shown its effectiveness, mortality is several times less .. and okay, since you are such a specialist .. tell me a way to deal with a pandemic? and then there are masks and washing hands and social services. distances and lockdown and vaccinations were rejected, calling them wrong ... so how are we going to save ourselves?
                      5. flicker
                        flicker 22 November 2021 20: 39
                        -1
                        since you are such a specialist
                        The same specialist as everyone else who writes here.
                        Just reading and juxtaposing facts. And these facts indicate that the covid will disappear after it fulfills its function. Or it won't. The difference is in the consequences: the first is not good for the population, the second is better. Therefore:

                        The fight against Covid-19 should not be considered solely within the framework of a medical problem.
                        ---
                        The first thing we notice is that Covid has significantly changed the usual way of life around the world. This means that Covid-19 can and should be considered as a universal tool for reformatting world politics (in this respect, he is much cooler than any terrorists).
                        Accordingly, Covid-19 is a geopolitical tool for reformatting the world order.
                        And those in whose hands this tool (and these are very influential forces) will not allow you to solve the medical problem of Covid.
                        Are there any doubts that pharmaceutical companies are not in their hands?
                        This cannot be ignored.
                        - -
                        Second, the Covid-19 vaccine generates exorbitant profits for those who make it. Those Covid can and should be considered, among other things, as a commercially profitable factor.

                        Well, there are also doubts that those in whose hands the pharmaceutical companies producing vaccines are interested in solving the medical problem of Covid. As it was sung: this music will be eternal if I change the batteries (read: endless revaccination).
                        Well, what about without regional authorities: on the recommendation of regional sanitary doctors, heads of regions can introduce special restrictive measures, including the mandatory vaccination of certain categories of professions. (but who will pay attention to such a trifle as "some" - if it opens up such commercial opportunities).
                        It is also impossible not to take this into account.
                        ---
                        We are already receiving two groups of influential people who are not interested in solving the medical problem of Covid.
                        And it is impossible not to take this into account.
                        ---
                        And thirdly, this is the very medical problem of Covid.
                        Here it is more important to treat the sick than to vaccinate the healthy (vaccination against a frequently mutating virus is not effective), moreover, it is also dangerous, since the body of a vaccinated person launches an immune defense mechanism against a new virus with a delay.
                        Back in the early summer of 2020, they talked about creating a medicine in parallel with the vaccine, and then rested on the vaccine, forgetting about the medicine. Now people are talking more often about creating drugs.
                        As for "masks and hand washing", you should not neglect this, especially in a room with a large crowd of people (it is not needed in the air). Since the mask protects (albeit half) both you from viruses from the outside and those around you from your viruses.
                        In addition, it is believed that the severity of the disease is largely related to the concentration of the resulting viruses. Actually, the classic vaccine is the receipt of a small amount of viruses (either dead or significantly weakened). And the mask completely limits them.
                        ---
                        Counteract the first two factors.
                        To deprive the pharmaceutical company of huge profits by administrative means (to knock out commercial interest).
                        Refuse vaccinated passports, segregation and discrimination of society and thereby level the possibilities of Covid as a tool for reformatting society.
                        In addition, to leave before citizens the right to choose: they want to be vaccinated, they do not want not to be vaccinated.

                        So the fight against the medical problem of covid must be carried out with all these factors in mind.
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 23 November 2021 11: 03
                        -3
                        those. you criticize everything, but you yourself can not offer anything? hmm ... another mega-expert of the topvar)
                      7. flicker
                        flicker 23 November 2021 11: 25
                        +1
                        I suggest: drink motherwort and you will be happy laughing
                        Covid is not so much a medical problem as a political and commercial one.
                        Fighting the medical problem, along the way, it is necessary to deprive negligent officials of the profit they receive from the "fight against Covid", plus abandon "green passports", from the segregation of the population - this is a blow to Covid's transformational capabilities, and therefore political.
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 23 November 2021 12: 26
                        -1
                        you can immediately see a person who has not suffered from covid .. well, since this is not a medical problem, then if your family gets 50% of the lung damage, then you will not call an ambulance like a ventilator? or is it different?
                      9. flicker
                        flicker 23 November 2021 19: 24
                        0
                        My family, like me, had been ill in a mild form. So yes, no ambulance was called.
                      10. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 23 November 2021 20: 16
                        -1
                        the funny thing is that you are lucky and others are not ...
                    2. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 29
                      -5
                      about "vaccination does not save" .. they have already buried two of my relatives in the area, who were against vaccination, both healthy men burned out in a couple of weeks. and there are those who got infected after vaccination and after 2-3 days were already normal .. The fact is that vaccination reduces the risk of a severe course and, consequently, death. For example, Khabarovsk recently reported that about 5-2% of vaccinated people get to the hospital, and only a few are in intensive care, and there were no deaths at the time of the check.
                    3. Vladimir1155
                      Vladimir1155 22 November 2021 15: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: flicker
                      But in fact, we get that vaccination does not save and does not seem to save one from the disease.
                      Well, everyone is vaccinated and the vaccinated will get sick, and what will it make it easier?
                      And all because the virus mutates and no vaccination can catch up with it.

                      Quite true it is!
                      but you are uselessly arguing with the one who really is not on friendly terms with his head ... that's why everyone here considers him a fool), and Klimov and Timokhin call him the "lying Barbariska !!"
          2. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 22 November 2021 11: 39
            0
            Quote: Barberry25
            taking into account the cost of treatment of the unvaccinated just

            lying barberry! All these very expensive and harmful vaccinations are paid for by the unvaccinated, this is a fact of Monsieur Duke! and moreover, since the vaccinated infect everyone and also become seriously ill (a side effect of vaccination is a decrease in immunity for everything except the seasonal flu of the year before last, thrombosis and multiple sclerosis delayed for 4 years) and then ......... You are a barberry! and this is not some kind of fact, but the real truth
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 25
              0
              delayed sclerosis for 4 years? but looking at you I understand that you already have sclerosis)
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                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 22 November 2021 13: 46
                  0
                  go get sick, otherwise you are already in hysterics)
      4. zenion
        zenion 20 November 2021 16: 23
        +8
        mmaxx. Why chick with the unvaccinated? There is such a treatment for the unvaccinated, it was often used by the Germans - an injection of gasoline into the area of ​​death. Jokingly, they called it helping a person glue flippers without glue. This was invented by the ancient Greeks. Who did not go to vote for the one who needed help to glue the flippers. That was the name of Nahertanaziya. An excellent tool and democratic. But the trouble is that the vaccinated can infect the unvaccinated for the reason that this crown has already been injected into their body and the money went into their pockets. And from the unvaccinated there is nothing to take, then it undermines the economy and empties someone's pocket. It's like stealing and leaving a fish without a yacht.
      5. chevere
        chevere 20 November 2021 19: 35
        +20
        In banana-lemon Singapore, vaccination is almost universal. All this loud action of the local authorities is just an informational lead, a sort of indicator "we don't mess around." But on the tyrnets it started - that's how it should be! that's it! :))))
        By the way, with such a high degree of vaccination, the incidence rate in relative terms in Singapore is higher than in Russia. Or #this is another.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 20 November 2021 19: 38
          0
          Have you seen the density of the population there? The guys just didn't have time to "sing patriotic songs"
          1. chevere
            chevere 20 November 2021 19: 51
            +9
            Have seen. 4884 people per square kilometer. In Moscow - 1 people / km² (4941,45). More than Singapore.
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 November 2021 19: 03
              0
              All of Singapore is located within the North-West Administrative District of Moscow
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 21 November 2021 19: 10
                +4
                Well, here you are wrong .... does not fit.
                Moscow is twice the size of Singapore, all of Moscow ... and not a district. And the population density is the same.
      6. SNA
        SNA 22 November 2021 12: 25
        0
        So-so example about Singapore. Think about chewing gum etc ...
    2. for
      for 20 November 2021 06: 05
      +30
      Quote: Coward
      All treatment of an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID at the expense of the sick person and his relatives,

      And to refuse treatment for the vaccinated.
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 06: 08
        .
        Why did it happen? They trusted the state and got vaccinated, which means that the state treats them and pays them salary through sick leave.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 20 November 2021 06: 14
          +48
          if it had not been signed by a piece of paper on voluntariness and independent responsibility .. and it is signed for some reason? don't know why?
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            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 20 November 2021 06: 22
              +27
              do you understand the essence of the word "voluntariness" and the consequences of this word? and the consequences of this piece of paper?
              and about the gap .. You probably were in such a hurry to get vaccinated that you did not read the consent form normally .. I attach a link .. now you can easily read what you signed ..
              http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_87721/1f4dac20afafb243ddde0a6e9c68a28d54f14659/
              I will ask you differently, why do you think it is being signed? so it is clear that they did not bring it at gunpoint ...
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 06: 30
                .
                You can come up with as many crazy arguments as you like, but I hope the state will stop lisping with you and will take harsh measures, including those that I described in my first comment.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 58
                  +29
                  Quote: Coward
                  the state will stop lisping with you will take harsh measures, including those that I described in my first

                  The state may not be from such a struggle. First they will start beating, then - further and more painful. So it is not far from civil confrontation. Rosgvardia will not save you laughing She's sick too
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 20 November 2021 07: 41
                    +6
                    So it is not far from civil confrontation


                    Again, everything was reduced to the dispute "to vaccinate - not to vaccinate." It was about "negroes", about violation of Skomorokhov's rights.
                    I have had this code for 4 months already. First, a piece of paper received at the clinic, later "registered" on the State Services - there it was already "lying" ready. Download the pdf file and print.
                    So what ? For all the time I asked him 1 times only our girl-recruiter. Copied for reporting. Apparently they were given a "pointer". Nobody else needs him anywhere else. Not in shops, or at checkpoints at factories, or in a minibus-metro. I don’t go to night clubs, I don’t know.
                    The spouse has a medical challenge - she is also not allowed a QR. Replacement - PCR with a validity period of a couple of days. But she didn’t need it even once.
                    What is the howl for? If you do not want to be vaccinated, do PCR and go for a walk even in Italy. So, by the way, our journalists are forced to do, vaccinated by "Sputnik", which is not recognized there. There they are and we will all be "blacks" even vaccinated.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 20 November 2021 08: 43
                      +20
                      Quote: dauria
                      Again, everything was reduced to the dispute "to vaccinate - not to vaccinate." It was about "negroes", about violation of Skomorokhov's rights.
                      I have had this code for 4 months already. First, a piece of paper received at the clinic, later "registered" on the State Services - there it was already "lying" ready. Download the pdf file and print.

                      Read the author carefully again. We are not talking about being vaccinated or not.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 08: 53
                        +27
                        In this "pandemic" I really "liked" "Social Monitoring"! negative I still remember with a shudder !!! In general, this is Russia! A country ruled by Putin, Golikov, priests, Sabians and others.
                        And the people? As always ... they are silent.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 29
                        +22
                        Quote: Phil77
                        In this "pandemic" I really "liked" "Social Monitoring"!

                        I think this is why this whole general hysteria with vaccinations was invented. The state needs not so much vaccinated people, but people who have received a QR code. A new stigma for everyone, one way or another, resigned to the lawlessness.
                      3. Hitriy Zhuk
                        Hitriy Zhuk 20 November 2021 23: 36
                        +8
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        who received the QR code

                        Ausweis. Not otherwise.
                        And then we'll put on another tsak and make Ku three times.
                      4. Oldbaton
                        Oldbaton 20 November 2021 20: 33
                        +3
                        Well, why is it silent! You are not silent, are you? Or are you not a people?
                      5. savage1976
                        savage1976 20 November 2021 15: 50
                        +6
                        Any thief, with a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation, who enters your house for the purpose of profit, is also a representative of the people, so when dreaming that the people show their voice, think about the fact that for someone you and your family may also be from those who profit from someone else's grief.
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 19
                      +8
                      This is called "Hello, new brave world!" Digital. Next? "International" !!!! Here I agree with the t. "Tatra".
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 22
                      +21
                      Quote: dauria
                      Nobody else needs him anywhere else. Not in shops, or at checkpoints at factories, or in a minibus-metro. I don’t go to night clubs, I don’t know.

                      Needed everywhere. At work, in large shopping centers, in sports clubs.
                      The neighbors were forced to vaccinate half a year ago under the threat of refusal of a planned operation.
                      Segregation takes place. And no one is responsible for this.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 19: 31
                        +3
                        This is scary! For? Is it already here ?!
                    4. Roman Skomorokhov
                      20 November 2021 14: 30
                      +22
                      Quote: dauria
                      Again, everything was reduced to the dispute "Vaccinate - not vaccinate"

                      I would have read the article ... Sometimes it is useful, you don’t make a fool of yourself. It was about holes in the law, if that. Not a single letter about vaccinations is here. You don't read, but immediately start to comment.
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 20 November 2021 14: 46
                        +4
                        ... You don't read, but immediately start to comment.

                        Brr. Skomorokhov himself .... was offended ... Yes, I was not commenting on you. But since you have already appeared, tell us where they took you for a negro, where they didn’t let you in. I don’t carry my passport or "bamazhku" with me, and I have a push-button phone. I wear a mask in shops and transport. We have no "terrible guards" anywhere, except for the KHL hockey at the Sports Palace.
                        His rights were "infringed". And if you are locked up in an infectious diseases clinic with dysentery, is it considered an infringement of the rights of the individual? However, for this you have to be a person. Not only about your rights to think.
                      2. savage1976
                        savage1976 20 November 2021 15: 41
                        -9
                        And he does not understand this, the fee has already been received and spent. A year ago, I wrote articles about how a medical center built for patients with covid will be frozen in Voronezh due to the fact that there is heating from electricity and on follow-up questions, after the winter, comment on the situation with this center, whether it is frozen or not, and silence, and a movie is being filmed not that, he doesn't like it, and they don't build the planes that way, instead of lengthening the landing gear by a couple of meters, they develop new engines and now they are hampering them, they don't let them go to the movies without a QR code, so they don't like it, why go there?
                      3. Oldbaton
                        Oldbaton 20 November 2021 23: 07
                        -4
                        I will answer. The covid center is not frozen. QR codes began to be required in a number of public places, such as shopping centers and so on. But this is correct!
                      4. zwlad
                        zwlad 20 November 2021 20: 27
                        +9
                        But here in Saransk they demand. Her 15-year-old daughter was not allowed to go to the shopping center for pencils for the school. Mother-in-law was kicked off in two hairdressing salons. I was asked in two shopping centers - presented.
                        So there is no need to generalize.
                      5. SNA
                        SNA 21 November 2021 07: 28
                        -2
                        Life does not really like the subjunctive slope of it.
                      6. Oldbaton
                        Oldbaton 20 November 2021 20: 37
                        .
                        Rum, nafig all these holes in the laws. The problem of black holes would not be so painful if compatriots last January stood in line for the vaccination and stood it honestly. If now we had 80-85 percent of really vaccinated fellow citizens, there would be no problems with these holes ...
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 21: 47
                        +13
                        Quote: OldBaton
                        If now we had 80-85 percent of really vaccinated fellow citizens

                        The Netherlands and Denmark have this 85%, so what? Have you stopped hurting there? No, new lockdowns. Maybe the obsessive caring delirium is enough?
                      8. Oldbaton
                        Oldbaton 20 November 2021 23: 03
                        -9
                        I do not know the statistics for Denmark and the Netherlands in terms of vaccinations and morbidity. Look for laziness. I will only note that a friend's daughter, who works in Germany, said last week that a huge number of bogus vaccination certificates were revealed in Bavaria. So the statistics can be quite a curve. But in Portugal there is no lockdown. And almost 90% of citizens are actually vaccinated there. Well, about delirium with obsessive care: I don't really understand what I'm talking about. My right not to get infected is not nonsense. In contrast to the stupid and cave-like conclusions of all kinds of anti-axers.
                      9. restless
                        restless 21 November 2021 07: 43
                        +4
                        It is easy for you to live with faith in our doctors and government, everything they offer is correct. With such happiness into the capitalist future, which does not exist and will never be ...
                      10. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 November 2021 15: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: OldBaton
                        But in Portugal there is no lockdown. And almost 90% of citizens are actually vaccinated there.

                        Take Sweden for example.
                      11. fsb_buzuk
                        fsb_buzuk 21 November 2021 21: 23
                        +3
                        Actually, the "vaccine" type does not prevent either infection or spread.
                      12. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 53
                        -5
                        Well, if we take for the base that 1 out of 350 patients die there, and we have 1 out of 30 .. that probably there is still a lot of sense .. or "is it different"?
                      13. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 November 2021 07: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        probably there is still a sense .. or "is it different"?

                        For the base you need to take what the vaccine has proven not to protect against infection.
                        And that makes segregation useless and illegal.
                      14. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 10: 55
                        -1
                        For the base you need to take the fact that the vaccine saves lives, in fact, not a single vaccine saves from infection, but the difference in "got sick for 4 days" and "died in 3 weeks" seems to subtly hint at the difference .. So the task of segregation is not to offend already offended anti-vaccines, but to get people to get vaccinated.
                      15. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 November 2021 11: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        it's about getting people to get vaccinated.

                        Force? belay Dastardly, not directly? Make ka in the 70s in Moscow from smallpox, what's the problem? wink
                      16. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 22 November 2021 11: 19
                        -2
                        laughing I suspect that, given the fact that our people love to behave like rams, in the end it will be necessary to do just that, because as in that joke "there was no clear order" does not work ... until they dig in
                      17. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 November 2021 22: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: OldBaton
                        . If

                        Then and now they would not lie to us, then maybe

                        Quote: OldBaton
                        we had 80-85 percent of really vaccinated fellow citizens
                      18. SNA
                        SNA 21 November 2021 09: 36
                        +10
                        I work in a polyclinic. X-ray laboratory assistant. Fluorograph. So to speak, on the front lines. got sick last October. The temperature is low for two days. Loss of smell and taste. And that's all. I did not go to doctors. What for? But this year, in October in Simferopol, they were not allowed to eat anywhere near the station. And the train waited for 7 hours. How disgusting it is to eat pies on the street. I had to buy vodka. And have a drink in the park. Not far from the train station .. Oh. While my husband went to the store, I got in here. I admit my guilt. Measure. Degree. Depth.
                      19. Overlock
                        Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: SN
                        I had to buy vodka. And have a drink in the park.

                        Vodka is good, did it help?
                      20. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 50
                        -6
                        and what prevented the issuance of a certificate of the transferred disease? oh yes ... too smart .. hindsight .. am I right?
                      21. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 22 November 2021 10: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
                        I would have read the article ...

                        Good article. I like it.
                    5. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 21 November 2021 12: 08
                      +1
                      Yesterday my wife and I went shopping, asked for the quar code five or six times. Moreover, in three cases it was actually checked, waiting for the reaction of the reading program.
                    6. Garris199
                      Garris199 22 November 2021 00: 08
                      +4
                      PCR is paid and is valid for 72 hours. Nobody's face will crack, so that I run PCR twice a week to do?
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 November 2021 08: 59
                    +25
                    "the National Guard is also sick."
                    My God! And this one too?!?!?!
                    1. avg avg
                      avg avg 20 November 2021 09: 47
                      +8
                      Thick ... Moreover, very thick ...
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 52
                        +1
                        Yeah, yeah. Now you hiccupped. No? laughing
                  3. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 20 November 2021 20: 58
                    -2
                    The robots will soon enter the arsenal of the Russian Guard and they will definitely not get sick on a massive scale, as well as feel pain, as well as pity for the protesters, and a meeting with them for the masses of protesters will end badly.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 21: 38
                      +6
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      The robots will soon enter the arsenal of the Russian Guard and they will definitely not get sick on a massive scale, as well as feel pain, as well as pity for the protesters, and a meeting with them for the masses of protesters will end badly.

                      Yeah. Like those.
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 20 November 2021 22: 49
                      +6
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      The Russian Guard will soon enter service with robots

                      They are already robots
                2. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 09
                  +20
                  .
                  but I hope the state will stop lisping with you and will take harsh measures, including those that I described in my first comment
                  .. here you went too far.
                  You have probably not yet experienced the full power of the state machine on your own skin when you find yourself in a desperate situation.
                  Imagine yourself as an expert and God ... temper your ardor for our forum users. smile
                  1. Coward
                    Coward 20 November 2021 07: 23
                    .
                    I experienced the full power of our state machine, in particular the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, when the embassy in the PRC helped me to go home in the midst of a pandemic, and also issued a permit to return to Russia due to an expired passport for one of the crew members. I have no complaints about them.
                    1. Lech from Android.
                      Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 31
                      +25
                      Fine, but many of our members of the forum in China were not at that moment and sat at home ... not in a dream or in the spirit of not knowing that you from China could bring this same Covid in yourself or on yourself to Russia. what
                      The ways of the Lord are inscrutable ... just like Covida.
                      1. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 07: 44
                        -9
                        According to the requirement that was in force then, and maybe even now, I passed the PCR test within three days and sent its results to government services. The test was negative, so I did not bring a "souvenir".
                      2. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 48
                        +5
                        But who knows what you brought there ... the piece of paper will endure everything ... could pick up the infection after the test.
                      3. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 07: 54
                        0
                        Not, and this wink I didn’t bring it either, otherwise my wife would beat it b. And the virus picked up after the test would have been local, so to speak.
                      4. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 57
                        +2
                        I am glad for you and your loved ones. hi
                      5. Intruder
                        Intruder 20 November 2021 18: 36
                        +3
                        after the test, the virus would have been local, so to speak, native.
                        And the Russian strain exists, right with the smell of birch trees !? wink
                      6. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 November 2021 22: 50
                        +8
                        Quote: Coward
                        passed the PCR test

                        Nice man, so he lies 50% laughing
                    2. for
                      for 20 November 2021 09: 19
                      +6
                      Quote: Coward
                      Russia due to an expired passport to one of the crew members

                      Create a problem, and then solve it with zeal, as "professional" and modern.
                      1. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 09: 37
                        +1
                        Is it news for you that the ship's repair may take a long time?
                      2. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 10: 02
                        +10
                        Is it news for you that the ship's repair may take a long time?
                        many do not even imagine what repair in China is, and indeed ship repair. How does it happen hi But why?
                      3. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 10: 46
                        0
                        Yes, many do not see beyond their noses, but they know more than anyone else.
                      4. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 11: 07
                        +2
                        Yes, many do not see beyond their noses, but they know more than anyone else.
                        and they will stubbornly deny everything - facts, logic, common sense. Defending your "opinion" hi
                      5. Revival
                        Revival 20 November 2021 13: 20
                        +7
                        "and they will stubbornly deny everything - facts, logic, common sense. Defending their" opinion "".

                        You first present "facts, logic, common sense" in order to assert that they are denied ...
                      6. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 13: 22
                        +4
                        You first present "facts, logic, common sense" in order to assert that they are denied ...
                        have you tried to read? or should I show a sailor's passport with registrations for ships, photos, videos, documents, etc.? Well, purely childish logic - "whatever is shown, I will demand more proofs." I don’t need to invent anything. Enough cases. Well, if not only the first comment and without reading the whole conversation you are rolling out the presentation .... then there is nothing you can do about it. Clip thinking and "reading only titles" is no longer cured hi
                      7. Revival
                        Revival 20 November 2021 14: 20
                        +4
                        If you are talking about the repair of ships, then I was not going to argue with you on this issue, and if about the topic of discussion, they say the unvaccinated are unreasonable and reject logic, etc., then this is where I strongly disagree
                      8. for
                        for 20 November 2021 11: 27
                        -2
                        Is it news for you that the ship's repair may take a long time?

                        That in Russia there is already nowhere to repair.
                        It was necessary to leave for this crew member in advance.
                      9. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 11: 41
                        +9
                        That in Russia there is already nowhere to repair.
                        kudos to optimization and internal prices! Here I "like" such statements from those who are not at all in the subject of the question! You went to the seas - NO! Have you been repaired in Russia and abroad? - NO! Do you know the price tag and quality? - NO! Once I was under repair at the NSRZ (Nakhodka), so until we reached the Sea of ​​Okhotsk we were twice deaf in the Pacific Ocean. In winter, in a storm. And another month and a half were repaired already on the expedition after the "repair". The mechanics and we (the radio service) generally slept three hours a day. The rest of the time, eliminating the consequences of "repair" and carrying out management in a working condition.
                        It was necessary to leave for this crew member in advance.
                        I see all such clever hindsight from the couch. How is it? On the couch? wink Doesn't it pump there?
                        Or are we such fools when we knew that a fresh water tank would get salted and we would have to cook it in half with sea water? Another time they knew that the unloading would be delayed and for the last three days of the crossing they sat on the water and the remnants of bread and onions?
                        Another time, after spending 10 days in Busan, waiting for the replacement crew, did you know that the deal would fail and we would have to return to Nakhodka in ballast? Did you know that the weather map and wave forecast will not be entirely reliable? Did you know that the sea was not quite what was predicted? They knew in advance, but they went and got so shocked that many had gray hair. Everyone knew beforehand but created problems for themselves? Well, in children's brains it may be so.
                      10. for
                        for 20 November 2021 13: 01
                        -6
                        Oh, how sorry you already want to cry. Now, also from the hold, write up to your throat in water.


                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        That in Russia there is already nowhere to repair.

                        Well, in children's brains it may be so.

                        Wipe your snot, burst into tears. Here's a place for you on the couch.
                      11. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 13: 04
                        +6
                        Wipe your snot, burst into tears. Here's a place for you on the couch.

                        Oh, how sorry you already want to cry. Now, also from the hold, write up to your throat in water.
                        are these all arguments? in the style of "Oh everything!" good .... Well, analytics and argumentation - "the level of God" wassat laughing And I didn’t poke you boy.
                      12. Revival
                        Revival 20 November 2021 13: 22
                        +4
                        So you are not a patriot! What difference does it make what repairs and how much, but your own, you will receive from the state and sign.
                      13. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 10: 01
                        +6
                        Create a problem, and then solve it with zeal, as "professional" and modern.
                        Here you are wrong. As a sailor in the past and having defended six repairs (three of them in China - Shanghai and two in Tianjin), I dare to assure that such problems can occur regardless of the crew member. The repairs dragged on - maybe the passport will end (although, according to the calculation, the repair took one and a half to two months per month). Certification for some equipment may run out for the same reason. And it's not always possible to extend it in advance. We were leaving Amur and other "holes" for repairs. And where are there service centers or bodies authorized to renew documents? They are NOT there.
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Coward
                      when the embassy in the PRC helped me to leave at the height of the pandemic home,

                      Yes, we all saw how our citizens were evacuated by transport board, while Western citizens were taken out in first class! wassat
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 20 November 2021 18: 40
                        -5
                        when Western citizens were taken out in first class!
                        And they, not people ... now they only need to be taken out by the economy !? lol
                    4. for
                      for 20 November 2021 11: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Coward
                      I experienced the full power of our state machine, in particular the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, when the embassy in the PRC helped me to go home in the midst of a pandemic, and also issued a permit to return to Russia due to an expired passport for one of the crew members. I have no complaints about them.

                      Where is it written about repairs here?
                      1. Region-25.rus
                        Region-25.rus 20 November 2021 12: 55
                        +1
                        what? except for the minuses of argumentation? laughing enlighten us about the guru of maritime practice, how should we act in certain situations? I am pleased to hear the opinion of "expert" wink
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 08
                    +3
                    Alexey, the country needs a comrade Che. But! Is he there? Today? Here? With us?
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 21 November 2021 19: 19
                      +1
                      There is only one caveat - wherever he was, the Civil War began ........
                  3. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 21 November 2021 22: 55
                    -3
                    those. when people yell about "don't get vaccinated!" then they can get out? but when the zadolbatsya ask to have already taken tough measures, then "how dare you ?!" .. kindergarten
                3. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 20 November 2021 08: 52
                  +23
                  Quote: Coward
                  You can come up with all sorts of delusional arguments

                  Or maybe you are delusional and it's time to turn to at least elementary logic?
                  “An vaccinated or recovered person can infect others, this is known all over the world,” said Anna Popova, head of Rospotrebnadzor.

                  The same is reported in The Lancet, an authoritative journal of the medical community.
                  From this we can conclude that the owners of QR codes are the official carriers of this infection, although, as the authorities assure, to a lesser extent.
                  Question. Why, then, is the universal QRization introduced, if in fact it has nothing to do with protecting the population from the newfangled infection?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 09
                    0
                    Right!!!!!!!
                    +++++++ !!!!
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                      2. victor50
                        victor50 20 November 2021 11: 29
                        +15
                        Quote: lucul
                        Come take a closer look at your made-up dream.

                        And why not in Russia, about the magical life in which you know so much under the current president?
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 20 November 2021 13: 24
                        -2
                        That is, you are proposing an inadequate Lukashenka?
                        The alternative is of course ...
                  3. Coward
                    Coward 20 November 2021 09: 38
                    -1
                    And not vaccinated, I suppose, are not peddlers?
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 20 November 2021 09: 43
                      +22
                      Quote: Coward
                      And not vaccinated, I suppose, are not peddlers?

                      Are you reading carefully? They are, but for some reason only those who are not vaccinated are limited in their rights, which is what the author of the article writes about.
                      Have you ever thought about it? Maybe instead of total stabbing, just start treating people, and not making money on them? wink
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 18
                        +8
                        Bravissimo !!!! Amigo! But ... it's hard to explain to the brow ... what he doesn't want to understand. laughing
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 16
                      +3
                      Everything is exactly the opposite. Fershtein? The vaccinated are the source of the fire, but ... there are a lot of questions! What he wrote about.
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 20 November 2021 11: 46
                        +20
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Everything is exactly the opposite. Fershtein? The vaccinated are the source of the fire, but ... there are a lot of questions! What he wrote about.

                        Vaccinated, not vaccinated ... All are potential distributors IF SICK.
                        If someone has picked up a virus, but does not know about it yet, he does not become healthier from this - he is already sick. (This infection is the same ARVI, like the flu.) But according to the new WHO guidelines, they don’t bother with the natural immunity of a person, they simply ignore him and force him to expand.
                        Under this orgy with "acupuncture" we are trying to impose the newfangled term "SYMPTOM" patient.
                        There is no such term in evidence-based medicine, there are ecology, products, etc. that are not further examined with our state of affairs. laughing
                        But it is easier to stab the underexamined, despite the result, than to fully examine and treat at an early stage, raising the immunity of a person, and also to master the budget money.
                        In general, "optimization" is in full swing. wink
                      2. QWERTY
                        QWERTY 21 November 2021 18: 46
                        -6
                        When were you vaccinated against tuberculosis, measles and the like in childhood - were you examined for some natural immunity? Maybe they took them to the TB dispensary or just to the infectious diseases clinic, well, you never know there is natural immunity, you need to check?
                      3. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 21 November 2021 19: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: ytsuken
                        When were you vaccinated against tuberculosis, measles and the like in childhood - were you examined for some natural immunity?

                        Of course, the medical history was called lol ... They did analyzes, if there were contraindications, an examination was carried out, the conclusion of the commission, an injection or a walk without an injection, but they will be put under observation. And you must have been told that they were scamming everyone indiscriminately, they didn’t even ask their names? wink
                        You Mantoux that you didn’t do as a child?
                      4. QWERTY
                        QWERTY 22 November 2021 09: 24
                        -3
                        We did. No one in 99% of cases takes any tests. As is usually done, we arrived at the school / at the enterprise, everyone was expanded, everyone is free. No need for fairy tales. Commissions have come up, wow))
                      5. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 22 November 2021 09: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: ytsuken
                        No need for fairy tales. Commissions have come up, wow))

                        Are you sure you lived in the Union? belay If yes, please specify in what years. In the country in which I lived, they did exactly as I described, despite the fact that my mother worked as a paramedic with people. So I don’t need to sing songs about fairy tales, you can tell fairy tales to the younger generation. lol
                      6. SNA
                        SNA 23 November 2021 07: 31
                        0
                        Nonsense. The neighbor in the apartment was a tuberculosis patient, and all his childhood in a sanatorium (the pines are high, food, and if it's warm, then the river ...)
                      7. Garris199
                        Garris199 22 November 2021 01: 30
                        +3
                        So after measles vaccination, immunity is for life, but from a "satellite"? Invalid comparison.
                    3. New Year day
                      New Year day 20 November 2021 22: 52
                      -1
                      Quote: Coward
                      And not vaccinated, I suppose, are not peddlers?

                      Are NOT, they are either healthy or sick
                  4. Achilles
                    Achilles 20 November 2021 13: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    Or maybe you are delusional and it's time to turn to at least elementary logic?
                    “An vaccinated or recovered person can infect others, this is known all over the world,” said Anna Popova, head of Rospotrebnadzor.

                    The same is reported in The Lancet, an authoritative journal of the medical community.
                    From this we can conclude that the owners of QR codes are the official carriers of this infection, although, as the authorities assure, to a lesser extent.
                    Question. Why, then, is the universal QRization introduced, if in fact it has nothing to do with protecting the population from the newfangled infection?

                    You took the quote out of context, Anna Popova also says that a vaccinated sick person releases a virus at times (i.e. infects) less than someone who does not have antibodies. Are you, yourself, with logic all right? Just look at the vaccinated person has antibodies, the virus enters the body and the virus begins to devour the antibodies and, accordingly, the vaccinated sick person infects less because a large amount of the virus is consumed by antibodies and, accordingly, the virus itself from such a sick person will enter the environment in a small amount.

                    The risk of contracting coronavirus from a vaccinated patient is much less: they emit less pathogen both quantitatively and in time, RIA Novosti Rospotrebnadzor expert Ruzhentsova told RIA Novosti

                    Food for thought: comparative analysis
                    statistics on the incidence of COVID among unvaccinated and vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

                    An interesting review was published the other day in JAMA.

                    So: yes, fully vaccinated people get infected and get sick with COVID.
                    An analysis of 100000 cases in England showed that vaccinated people get sick 3 times less often than unvaccinated ones. In absolute terms, 0,4% versus 1,21%. (Elliott P, Haw D, Wang H, et al; COVID-19 Genomics UK (COG-UK) Consortium11)

                    At the same time, vaccinated people are also almost 3 times less likely to become asymptomatic carriers than unvaccinated ones. (The approximate effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against asymptomatic infection with the Delta variant is 65%)

                    Vaccinated people are much less likely to carry infections, including the Delta variant. So in the Netherlands, 7771 contacts of 4972 cases were tracked. The vaccinated infected 12% of their relatives, and the unvaccinated 23%. Pfizer's estimated efficacy in blocking transmission is 63% (de Gier B, Andeweg S, Backer JA, et al. August-September 2021, the Netherlands. MedRxiv. Preprint posted online October 14, 2021.)

                    Vaccinated people get sick not only much less often, but also much less severely. There are 83,6 hospitalizations per 100000 of the population for the unvaccinated, 4,5 per 100000 for the vaccinated.
                    (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. COVID Data Tracker. Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status. Accessed October 24, 2021.)

                    Vaccinated people are much less likely to end up in intensive care, on mechanical ventilation, and die. At the same time, those vaccinated patients who still end up in intensive care are much superior in age and in the set / severity of concomitant diseases of their unvaccinated comrades in misfortune. In a study of 4516 hospitalized patients, 25% of the vaccinated against 40% of the unvaccinated were admitted to intensive care (remember, the vaccinated were significantly more advanced in age); on mechanical ventilation 7% of the vaccinated against 23% of the unvaccinated;
                    (Tenforde MW, Self WH, Adams K, et al; Influenza and Other Viruses in the Acutely Ill (IVY) Network. Association between mRNA vaccination and COVID-19 hospitalization and disease severity. JAMA. Published online November 4, 2021).

                    And one more thing: antibodies in the blood of patients vaccinated with American vaccines decreased by about 50% after six months. (Tartof SY, Slezak JM, Fischer H, et al. Effectiveness of mRNA BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine up to 6 months in a large integrated health system in the USA: a retrospective cohort study. Lancet. 2021; 398 ( 10309): 1407-1416).

                    All this information is for adequate and thinking people. Antivaxer epileptic shamans use data sucked from the finger, false panic rumors and fictitious examples, multiplied by a sick imagination. They don't have to bother with proof.

                    Now, if I shouted: “The Antichrist and the forces of Evil have come to consume this World! And the forces of Light decided to take away and save the best and most worthy! Chip our own "light chip" and the forces of Evil will not notice such, so we will be saved! " somehow everything is sad from all this….
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 13
                      +8
                      Popov? This is scary! This is the opinion of a bureaucrat who must not be allowed to the authorities. For? The opinion of WHO is worth a lot? And how much?
                      1. Achilles
                        Achilles 20 November 2021 14: 22
                        -5
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Popov? This is scary! This is the opinion of a bureaucrat who must not be allowed to the authorities. For? The opinion of WHO is worth a lot? And how much?

                        Do you have brains yourself? Can you think for yourself? Think? Analyze? So think that a patient with antibodies (vaccinated or recovered earlier) excretes less pathogen and quantitatively, respectively. antibodies devour the virus itself and a small% of the virus, respectively, can be secreted by the patient himself, here you don't need to be an expert, everything is logical, but everything seems to be bad with your logic.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 48
                        +4
                        And you? Intend with a small letter, as indeed you do! Once again! I had a covid /? / My wife didn’t !!!! We live in a "odnushka" !!!! The question is, how? He? Not transferred? What are all these supermeras for? What is this "superbloo" for? Next? Think!
                      3. 210ox
                        210ox 20 November 2021 15: 54
                        +3
                        By the way, a question. Are you sure you have not been asymptomatic? Did you do an antibody test?
                      4. Achilles
                        Achilles 22 November 2021 12: 04
                        -2
                        Quote: Phil77
                        And you? Intend with a small letter, as indeed you do! Once again! I had a covid /? / My wife didn’t !!!! We live in a "odnushka" !!!! The question is, how? He? Not transferred? What are all these supermeras for? What is this "superbloo" for? Next? Think!

                        Super measures are being introduced to reduce the spread of the virus, the same is obvious. Because the spread of the virus among people with antibodies is much less, and this is evidenced by the studies and statistics that I cited above. And QR codes are a confirmation that a person has antibodies or that he is vaccinated or has been ill and has antibodies, those who have had large antibody titers also need to issue QR codes and this is now being done by our respective bodies. But with your thinking it is not possible to understand this.
                    2. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 20 November 2021 14: 32
                      +9
                      Quote: Achilles
                      Vaccinated people get sick not only much less often, but also much less severely. The non-vaccinated account for 83,6 hospitalizations per 100000 population


                      Look, the first thing I do is judge for myself and my family.
                      We all got sick with this infection easily, without any hospitalizations and doctor's calls, and here's the annoyance we all did not inject. lol
                      I personally tempered one day at 37.7, that's it. This concludes your covid. I realized that this is the same infection, only by the loss of smell and taste.
                      But they still try to impose compulsory vaccination and QR codes on me because someone really wants to beat off the dough at this event.
                      Why do I think so? Because, you try to see a therapist now - at best, in a week, in order to take a referral to the right doctor, if, again, there are still quotas for his visit. In general, if you do not die before the appointment, then the OMS may help you. laughing
                      Is this the very "concern" about my health about which the talking heads are so screaming, or is vaccination such a "Kremlin pill" that immediately cures everything from everything? laughing
                      1. Hitriy Zhuk
                        Hitriy Zhuk 20 November 2021 23: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        generally one day 37.7

                        Cool, I had a similar one about three days after vaccination (37.1-37.5).
                      2. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 21 November 2021 00: 35
                        +4
                        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        generally one day 37.7

                        Cool, I had a similar one about three days after vaccination (37.1-37.5).

                        This once again confirms the fact that people have different immune responses to external infections, but unfortunately neither the Ministry of Health, nor Rospotrebnadzor, nor the Kremlin's government offices know about this along the way. laughing
                        For that they all have a "universal" experimental slurry.
                        For this reason, I did not inject, just as the TV and the local medical doctor didn’t persuade me. That's how we live.... lol
                      3. restless
                        restless 21 November 2021 08: 03
                        +3
                        I had a temperature for about a month, but it was with pneumonia ...
                      4. Achilles
                        Achilles 22 November 2021 12: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
                        Cool, I had a similar one about three days after vaccination (37.1-37.5).

                        I already had two vaccinations in February and was revaccinated in September, and after the vaccination there were not any ailments at all and there were no fever, respectively. It follows that each has its own organism and each organism reacts differently to vaccination.
                      5. Achilles
                        Achilles 22 November 2021 12: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Look, the first thing I do is judge for myself and my family.
                        We all got sick with this infection easily, without any hospitalizations and doctor's calls, and here's the annoyance we all did not inject.

                        The fact is that you are not the entire population of our land and it is foolish to talk like that. Everyone has their own immunity, and for this there are observations and statistics for a large number of people, where they then choose the most necessary and necessary measure for most people.
                    3. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 50
                      +4
                      Popova? Murashko? The creator of supervaccines? This is the face of medicine? ???
                      1. 210ox
                        210ox 20 November 2021 15: 56
                        +6
                        Do not be afraid of you. He promised us to go to heaven ... crying
                    4. kig
                      kig 20 November 2021 15: 40
                      +6
                      It is strange how they did not immediately write to you that all these figures are inflated, none of the respected people have checked them, and in general it is impossible to check them.
                    5. fsb_buzuk
                      fsb_buzuk 21 November 2021 21: 25
                      +1
                      Popova is lying as she breathes, they found someone to quote.
                    6. Garris199
                      Garris199 22 November 2021 01: 35
                      0
                      And how are people with antibodies produced by the ess-ny way, who had been ill at home, are worse than those vaccinated? The fact that Scheherazade the dull-headed from the clinic was not summoned?
                4. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 25
                  0
                  If the state is you, it will be scary ... to live in this country. laughing Although he was a patriot, but not now, and not under this government.
                  1. Andrey Moskvin
                    Andrey Moskvin 20 November 2021 14: 15
                    +5
                    Does patriotism depend on power?
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 28
                      +4
                      Counter question! Thank you! It is you, who are now ready to fight for Putin, Rotenberg, Sechin, Popova, and so on, so on, so on? Only you don’t need to talk about your homeland, eh? Homeland is not Putin.
                      1. Andrey Moskvin
                        Andrey Moskvin 20 November 2021 14: 42
                        +1
                        For this group of comrades - of course not. And again I don’t understand what patriotism has to do with it.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 58
                        +2
                        So. Let's start with a simple thing. What is patriotism for you? "Where does the motherland begin" is not accepted! Generally!
                      3. Andrey Moskvin
                        Andrey Moskvin 20 November 2021 15: 18
                        +2
                        I think it's just an honest life and work, helping others and being ready to protect them. It is difficult to formulate offhand without hitting the pathos. Although, sometimes after a glass I want to look in the closet for "my father's old budennovka". hi
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 19: 13
                        +1
                        Andrey, but here I agree !!!!
                      5. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 20 November 2021 17: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        You are now ready to fight for Putin, Rotenberg, Sechin, Popova

                        Stupid statement of the question. The armed forces are created in order to fight for some kind of person, or what? foolDo they swear allegiance to Putin or to the country?
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 19: 14
                        -2
                        No; Putin is nothing at all !! But !! He created the REGIME!
                      7. your1970
                        your1970 21 November 2021 19: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Is it you who are now ready to fight for Putin, Rotenberg, Sechin, Popova, and so on, so on, so on?

                        Remind me - who of the sworn USSR went to fight for him in 1991 ????
                        For Gorbachev, the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU ?????
                        WHO??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      8. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 22 November 2021 21: 48
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        Remind me - who of the sworn USSR went to fight for him in 1991 ????
                        For Gorbachev, the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU ?????
                        WHO??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Sergey, why is it here now? All these questions and exclamation marks?
                      9. your1970
                        your1970 23 November 2021 05: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: your1970
                        Remind me - who of the sworn USSR went to fight for him in 1991 ????
                        For Gorbachev, the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU ?????
                        WHO??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Sergey, why is it here now? All these questions and exclamation marks?

                        Tired of the question with aplomb "Who will go to fight for Rotenberg?"
                      10. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 23 November 2021 07: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        Tired of the question with aplomb "Who will go to fight for Rotenberg?

                        Ah, got it.)))
                      11. your1970
                        your1970 23 November 2021 12: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: your1970
                        Tired of the question with aplomb "Who will go to fight for Rotenberg?

                        Ah, got it.)))
                        there was a criminal neighbor, all my life in prisons. I was small but I remember - my grandfather drank with him, they argued something and the neighbor said
                        "What am I, am I sick or what - to fight for Kaganovich ???? I am for the Motherland ....."
                        For some reason it was very memorable.

                        My grandfather once said that his neighbor had 2 Red Stars and For Courage. Private, machine gunner, from start to finish. The awards were naturally confiscated.
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 30
                      0
                      For? This is an occupation regime. That's all.
                    3. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 15: 00
                      -2
                      Of course yes!
                5. AUL
                  AUL 20 November 2021 11: 29
                  +10
                  Quote: Coward
                  but I hope the state will stop lisping with you and will take harsh measures, including those that I described in my first comment.

                  Yes, you suggest rather weak measures! Better to go straight to the Kolyma with a jigsaw, or defrost the tower! wassat
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 32
                    -2
                    Pur kua? Ten years without correspondence. laughing
                6. huntsman650
                  huntsman650 20 November 2021 15: 37
                  -2
                  Sick, gallopredol in your ass. People are dying from vaccinations! Such as you, in the sea under the propellers at night or a bullet in the back from your own. With radicals)))
                7. Nazar
                  Nazar 22 November 2021 10: 28
                  +2
                  A coward - a quote: "...: the state will cease to lisp with you .." But such a thought did not occur - a little more and we will stop lisping with such a "state"? Or thoughts come to your head only from V. Solovyov's TV programs?
              2. Maximilian37
                Maximilian37 20 November 2021 12: 45
                +3
                just keep silent about his answer and it will shut up.)
          2. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 20 November 2021 10: 05
            +20
            "... if it hadn't been for a piece of paper on voluntariness and self-responsibility ... but it is being signed for some reason? do not know why? ..."
            Here, and it annoys me. How do you like this option, for example? You come to a restaurant, order a hundred grams of white, and they tell you: "Our vodka is fresh, real, but sign that you agree to drink it and you will not have any complaints?"
        2. Far B
          Far B 20 November 2021 06: 31
          +21
          They trusted the state and were vaccinated, which means that the state treats them and pays them salary through sick leave
          How did you decide that the state is treating them? Monthly deductions to the MHIF from the citizen's accrued salary - are they not considered? (suddenly reminded the FIU, yes).
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 06: 39
            .
            With such expenses for the treatment of sick people, these deductions have long since ended. Now the state allocates for the treatment of Kovidnikov.
            On the other hand. Money is deducted from my salary, but they spend on those who do not take measures to reduce the risk of getting infected and getting sick. And why is it? Why should this money be spent on them?
            1. Far B
              Far B 20 November 2021 06: 53
              +24
              Perhaps I'll start from the end.
              Money is deducted from my salary, but they spend on those who do not take measures to reduce the risk of getting infected and getting sick. And why is it? Why should this money be spent on them?
              Because it fund.
              With such expenses for the treatment of sick people, these deductions have long been over.
              With such expenses for the maintenance of the fund (in particular, the management of the fund), with such managerial abilities that our managers demonstrate, the fund could not but run out of money. And personally, I have a suspicion that they ended before the covidla, otherwise all these "optimizations" of medicine would not be needed.
              In general, talk about the fact that "the money in the fund has run out" is a typical excuse for people who are not ready to answer for what they have done. The fund was not created to run out of money or not to run out of money. It was created so that any citizen of the country with a health insurance policy could receive the necessary amount of medical care free of charge in any corner of the country. Regardless of whether there is an emergency now or not (by the way, I will reveal a secret: there is no emergency). On the edge - we also have the NWF. So all your talk about "no money" is for the poor.
              By the way, hello, Dmitry Anatolyevich. Didn't recognize you under the nickname "Coward" (it suits you, by the way). And you, I will see, also changed your name? What an entertainer! laughing
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 06: 59
                .
                "By the way, hello, Dmitry Anatolyevich. I did not recognize you under the nickname" Coward "(it suits you, by the way).
                Here is a bummer. I originally registered under this nickname back in 2013. And I chose this nickname as a "litmus test", as soon as the interlocutor switches to "personality" (by the way), it means that he has run out of arguments and there is no point in having a conversation with him.
                1. Far B
                  Far B 20 November 2021 08: 15
                  +16
                  Sorry mr. Degtyarev, identified himself. Your phrase "do not need this, the people's money has long been gone. There is budget money"will introduce you to the host of immortal politicians. Where is the old lady Thatcher (that capitalist bitch, by the way, was), with her antediluvian concepts like:" There is no state money, there is taxpayers' money. " by trainability, all political people of all times and peoples! After all, she has such fonnats!
              2. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 18
                +5
                No money but you hold on ... smile
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 24
                  +8
                  There is money. But ... Bummer! You see, not for you --- s! laughing
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 55
              +9
              Quote: Coward
              On the other hand. Money is deducted from my salary, but they spend on those who do not take measures to reduce the risk of getting infected and getting sick. And why is it? Why should this money be spent on them?

              You have just spoken under the article of the Criminal Code
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 20 November 2021 12: 32
                +1
                Oops! But he didn't notice. But. It's okay. This is ... our country. Close to loyal and? Merciless to those who have their own opinion. Hence its scale, free people went somewhere far away, and after them ... the sovereigns were walking. recourse
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 07: 08
              +28
              What are the costs? I buy masks at my own expense, a fine for going to the store without this muzzle, again at the expense of the state, flu, or kavidla, or whatever else I had, I treated with vodka, like the author, and in general, why did you scream, our cowardly ? Your money went to the production of a vaccine and a piece of code, but we don't want to inject? Personally, I don't see any sense, trust in the state is zero with a stick, as well as to this crap from a syringe, cooked up quickly.
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 07: 12
                .
                Yes, no question, do not want to inject. Only being in a hospital, medicines, medical staff, etc. at your expense. The job is retained for you, but the sick leave is not paid. Supplement for an absent employee to the one who will perform your duties while you are in the hospital from your salary after leaving the hospital.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 07: 20
                  +16
                  Quote: Coward
                  Only being in a hospital, medicines, medical staff, etc. at your expense.

                  I don't give a damn, I'll die at home. Just don't wait.
                  Quote: Coward
                  The job is retained for you, but the sick leave is not paid.

                  Do not be afraid, I have not been paid for sick leave for 17 years.
                  Quote: Coward
                  Supplement for an absent employee to whoever will perform your duties

                  And not hu-hu ho-ho? Drop a dumbbell on your leg, and pay extra to those who will work for you while you jump in a bent-legged form. Why the hell can't I go buy slippers?
                  1. Coward
                    Coward 20 November 2021 07: 29
                    .
                    "I don't give a damn, I'll die at home. Just don't wait."
                    Um, in spite of my grandmother's ears frostbitten?
                    "Do not be afraid, I have not been paid for sick leave for 17 years."
                    And I practically did not go to sick leave almost as much, although I have a duodenal ulcer and organize a sick leave as nefig do.
                    "Why the hell can't I go buy slippers?"
                    You probably don’t know what an absent worker’s surcharge is. If you took time off in the store for a couple of hours, this is one thing, and if you are on sick leave or on vacation, this is another.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 07: 37
                      +12
                      Quote: Coward
                      Um, in spite of my grandmother's ears frostbitten?

                      To spite my grandmother, I will live to retire.
                      Quote: Coward
                      And I almost did not go to sick leave for almost the same amount,

                      Two fractures and a couple of colds without sick leave. They also sewed up my head for free and pulled and drilled my teeth.
                      Quote: Coward
                      You probably don’t know what an absent worker’s surcharge is.

                      Do not know. Someone is constantly absent from work, I do not see any additional payments and have never seen.
                      1. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 07: 50
                        .
                        "To spite my grandmother, I'll live to see retirement."
                        Well, if just before retirement, then it's not out of spite. But if after retirement you will live for another couple of decades, then it will be out of spite!
                        "Two fractures and a couple of colds without sick leave. They also sewed up my head for free and pulled and drilled my teeth."
                        Well, for the teeth, it seems like they don't give a sick leave. And with fractures, you didn’t lie down in vain, then it will break bones in the weather.
                        “I don’t know. Someone is constantly absent from work, I don’t see any additional payments and have never seen.”
                        That is why I try with all my might to fight off my duties for the absent employee. We "had" surcharges, but to get them it is complete darkness.
                      2. victor50
                        victor50 20 November 2021 11: 38
                        +9
                        Quote: Coward
                        But if after retirement you will live for another couple of decades, then it will be out of spite!

                        Oh, I'm afraid they won't! They will try not to give!
                        Quote: Coward
                        That is why I try with all my might to fight off my duties for an absent employee. We "had" additional payments, but to get them it is complete darkness.

                        Why are you scaring them then? laughing
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 12: 35
                        -1
                        Volodya !!!! You will not believe, but I live by this thought! How can you get bitches / persons with a dog's gender intensification / pension !!!!!!
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 22: 03
                        +1
                        The minusors do not want you to receive your pension.
                      5. Garris199
                        Garris199 22 November 2021 01: 43
                        0
                        To spite grandpa. That's more accurate.
                    2. Lech from Android.
                      Lech from Android. 20 November 2021 07: 38
                      +6
                      Many of our citizens, after such pressure on themselves by the state, are very
                      will speak out negatively against a presidential or State Duma candidate in the next elections ... do not forget about this ... maybe their votes will not be enough for those who are pressing our citizens on all fronts now to come to power.
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 09
                        +17
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        Many of our citizens, after such pressure on themselves by the state, are very
                        will speak out negatively against a presidential or State Duma candidate in the next elections ... do not forget about this ... maybe their votes will not be enough for those who are pressing our citizens on all fronts now to come to power.

                        For a long time they have not been interested in the opinion of the people. They will draw it right for themselves.
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 22 November 2021 21: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        For a long time they have not been interested in the opinion of the people. They will draw how they want themselves

                        This is a big mistake. History proves that the disregard for the opinion of the people ended very badly for those who spit on this opinion.
                      3. AUL
                        AUL 20 November 2021 11: 52
                        +7
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        Many of our citizens, after such pressure on themselves by the state, are very
                        will speak negatively against a candidate for the presidency or the State Duma in the next elections ... do not forget about this ...

                        Do you think it will affect something? lol IMHO, Ellochka has already printed documents with the results of future elections with personalities and percentages for each! wassat
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 14: 33
                        +3
                        Our state? Our ???? It !!!! Not ours !!!!
                      5. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 November 2021 22: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Our state? Our ???? It !!!! Not ours !!!!

                        What's ours in Russia? - Falleznik? Earth, rivers and seas, forests, bowels of the earth, whose are they? Ours is with us - our hands and families, the rest is with the enemies
            4. Gardamir
              Gardamir 20 November 2021 09: 04
              +16
              reducing the risk of getting infected and getting sick.
              Haven't you heard about medicine optimization? You don't know about the dismissal of doctors either. You do not know about the closure of medical schools.
              And by the way that you are so worried. You are vaccinated and no one will infect you. Or you have a special vaccine. By the way, I'll tell you a secret, just shhh don't tell anyone. While you are here with the covid, the flu is waiting for you around the corner.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 20 November 2021 09: 14
                +7
                Quote: Gardamir
                By the way, I'll tell you a secret, just shhh don't tell anyone. While you are here with the covid, the flu is waiting for you around the corner.

                And I’ll give you another secret - “The symptoms of COVID-19 are becoming more and more similar to the flu and SARS, most of the patients have a sore throat and a runny nose, while loss of taste and smell is less common. Clinical and analytical work of the Central Research Institute of Epidemiology of Rospotrebnadzor, Professor Natalya Pshenichnaya. "
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 November 2021 10: 11
                  +7
                  "Rospotrebnadzor". My God! How beautiful it became in our clinic! Ah !!! After the overhaul !!! And what ???? The doctors are the same !!!!! I came to check out. Hello! And he did not even listen to my lungs , all in the computer! Norma yes ??????
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 20 November 2021 10: 18
                    +7
                    Quote: Phil77
                    "Rospotrebnadzor". My God! How beautiful it became in our clinic! Ah !!! After the overhaul !!! And what ???? The doctors are the same !!!!! I came to check out. Hello! And he did not even listen to my lungs , all in the computer! Norma yes ??????

                    Everything is in accordance with the "recommendations" of Rospotrebnadzor ...
                    1. The Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare (Rospotrebnadzor) is a federal executive body responsible for the development and implementation of state policy and legal regulation in the field of consumer protection, the development and approval of state sanitary and epidemiological rules and hygienic standards, as well as on the organization and implementation of federal state sanitary and epidemiological supervision and federal state supervision in the field of consumer protection.

                    (in the edition of the Government of the Russian Federation from 30.01.2013 N 65, from 21.05.2013 N 428)
                    So it’s necessary for your well-being ...
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                    2. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 20 November 2021 11: 15
                      +4
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      So it’s necessary for your well-being ...

                      laughing
                      Is this why there is news about the consideration of the provisions on burial in mass graves? Isn't that biological warfare? And we do not even declare an emergency regime. What the .....? lol
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 33
                      +8
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      is the federal executive body responsible for the development and implementation of state policy and legal regulation in the field of consumer protection, development and approval of state sanitary and epidemiological rules and hygienic standards,

                      Where the conditions for the use of these powers are clearly stipulated. Emergency mode for example.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 November 2021 11: 58
                        +5
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Where the conditions for the use of these powers are clearly stipulated. Emergency mode for example.

                        Wherever you go, their actions are recognized as legal and appropriate .. nevertheless, for our good, they agree to endure while they save us ..
                  2. Garris199
                    Garris199 22 November 2021 01: 49
                    -2
                    And ours are not at all the same. Doctors, almost all Asians. It is almost impossible to hear the familiar surname in our clinic. Sobyanin knows a lot about Asians ... and in borders ... and in tiles ... yeah.
            5. Phil77
              Phil77 20 November 2021 09: 33
              +9
              By the way! I was given a medicine for free !!!!! They gave me the medicine, at the price !!!! 4,500 !!! But something didn't work out, the people began to die. Bought by Americans. The story is the same. Then? Is it worth continuing?
            6. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 18
              +14
              Quote: Coward
              They deduct money from my salary, but they spend on those who does not take measures to reduce the risk of contracting and getting sick.

              That is? Are you at risk of getting sick without leaving the city and taking precautions? And those who hold feasts without masks during the plague, of course, do not risk it?

              https://yandex.ru/turbo/fishki.net/s/4004200-v-moskve-proshel-bal-debjutantok-tatler-2021.html
            7. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 20 November 2021 11: 31
              +18
              Quote: Coward
              Now the state allocates for the treatment of Kovidnikov.

              The state cannot allocate anything to anyone. It doesn't make money. Basically. It only wastes them. They earn money, including for the maintenance, of that very state, exclusively its citizens. And lamentations in style - here is the good state that gave you something ... Hmm ... Me, from my own ruble, some kind of insolent face, throws a pretty penny, and makes me feel obligated? Laponka. The state exists exclusively at our expense. He has no money of his own, and cannot be. Well, if only China is what, or the United States will impose a tribute there. And while the receipt of that tribute, hundreds of billions of dollars, is not calculated, the state is parasitizing on me, and by and large, it should treat me tenderly and reverently, and the bureaucrats, who live for my money, bow to the belt and kiss in the ass.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 39
                +1
                If we discard the "paw", then yes! I absolutely agree with you. For the immediate question is? The state for us? Or are we for the state? Hence the next / if it is mild /, but what a fig for us .... the state? Power? Eh !!! Old me !!!! hi bully
            8. Hypertension
              Hypertension 20 November 2021 12: 59
              +5
              Quote: Coward
              With such expenses for the treatment of sick people, these deductions have long since ended. Now the state allocates for the treatment of Kovidnikov.

              Every month, 5,1% is deducted from the salaries of Russians to the Compulsory Health Insurance Fund. In the regions, a part of deductions from income tax in the amount of 13-15% is added to this. Thus, the Russians fully finance health care at their own expense, and the state is only concerned with the redistribution of these funds.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 November 2021 08: 53
          +11
          They trusted the state
          what crying what Well, you are a humorist my friend. Trust those who did not ask you to give birth, eat macaros and treat with understanding. By the way, as for a pesia, it is from 65, but as a covid. that stay at home after 60.
        4. Svarog
          Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 02
          +8
          Quote: Coward
          Why did it happen? They trusted the state and got vaccinated, which means that the state treats them and pays them salary through sick leave.

          Well, how ... they spent money on you ... they made you safe .. Nothing will happen to you for sure ..
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 09: 41
            .
            But when this happens to you, quickly "run" to the hospital with the demand "damn regime heal me soon."
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 20 November 2021 10: 20
              +12
              Quote: Coward
              But when this happens to you, quickly "run" to the hospital with the demand "damn regime heal me soon."

              Look .. for "glamor" no ku .. no vaccinations .. they have a ball .. and everything is good. And you were so worried. Заметьте..только официанты в масках..нигеры.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 20 November 2021 12: 17
                -1
                He is disgusting! Like all / why not? / Persons close to the body of a zeroed out.
              2. Hypertension
                Hypertension 20 November 2021 13: 06
                +10
                Quote: Svarog
                Look .. for "glamor" no ku .. no vaccinations .. they have a ball .. and everything is good.

                This is really not understandable, in fact, anti-propaganda of the fight against covid ... People see that the "elite" can walk without masks and quar codes, humming to the rules. How then should the people react to all sorts of bans and certificates? Lord, what kind of "geniuses" run our state ..?
              3. alystan
                alystan 20 November 2021 19: 52
                0
                only masked waiters

                They are all infectious, rabble, cho!
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 20 November 2021 10: 39
              +3
              Go to the hospital? Yes, you go to the district !!!! I wrote above what it is! And this is in Moscow !!!! I will not go further, because ... mate.
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 20 November 2021 10: 40
              -2
              Are you sure you live in ... Russia?
            4. Svarog
              Svarog 20 November 2021 12: 47
              +1
              Quote: Coward
              But when this happens to you, quickly "run" to the hospital with the demand "damn regime heal me soon."

              And for what do I deduct taxes? I’m already silent about the quality of this assistance .. but in general, given the disgrace on all fronts, I’m ready to refuse tax deductions .. I still pay for everything. So also the bureaucrats contain stupid .. Let the king support them with his own money. As well as their propagandists ..
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 20 November 2021 12: 15
            0
            That's where the seditious? / Why? / Thought! I understand we loved our country, the USSR. Yes, she took care of her citizens. I agree! As far as possible and not for all needs, but !!!! She, the country, the state aspired to this! Is today's Putin's Russia close to this? No! And I owe her something?
            So, although I'm not close to Roman, but .... I do not like what is happening in my country of residence. Although? Yes, I am old for the movement.
        5. Revival
          Revival 20 November 2021 13: 13
          +2
          And from the fact that they are already insured against the disease, the state spent the energy on vaccination, which means that if you fell ill despite the vaccination, then you did your best, behaved carelessly, that's all, pay for it yourself.
          You have a cannibalistic approach to the unvaccinated, and that's the other side of the coin.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 20 November 2021 06: 16
      +15
      Quote: Coward
      But to decide vaccination problem very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave.

      fool The problem is not vaccination, but people's health. Vaccinated people also get sick. And they are also carriers of infection. request
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 06: 23
        .
        What do you mean! Can not be! And the thought didn’t occur to your brain that infecting a vaccinated person is more difficult than an unvaccinated one? Although what am I talking about? It can be seen that she did not come. negative
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 November 2021 06: 28
          -7
          No harder. The vaccine does not save you from infection. It makes it possible to transfer the disease much easier. Which actually gives more sad consequences. People who are against vaccination here themselves, without realizing it, influence the opinion of others and someone from those who accepted this opinion could already die ...
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 06: 33
            .
            Plague, cholera, etc., it seems that these diseases have been defeated precisely thanks to the vaccine and for some reason we do not get these diseases after vaccination, but after all, according to your logic, we should still get sick, albeit in a mild form.
            1. Far B
              Far B 20 November 2021 06: 38
              +21
              Plague, cholera, etc., it seems that these diseases have been defeated precisely thanks to the vaccine.
              I am embarrassed to ask, at what age did you get the plague vaccine? And from cholera?
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 06: 46
                .
                Okay, we got it.
                Diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, poliomyelitis, measles, itching, rubella, hemophilic infection - did you suffer from all these diseases after vaccination?
                1. Far B
                  Far B 20 November 2021 07: 00
                  +18
                  Okay, got it
                  Didn't even try. You yourself are doing an excellent job, with your level of knowledge.
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 20 November 2021 07: 13
                  +18
                  Quote: Coward
                  Okay, we got it.
                  Diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, poliomyelitis, measles, poratitis, rubella, haemophilus influenza - all were ill with these diseases after vaccination?

                  No. Now tell me, do they get sick with covid after vaccination? If so, what does it guarantee? How effective is it? Is it even possible to talk about it?

                  They talk about the ease of the course of the disease after vaccination ... but I remember that at the beginning it was generally stated that after vaccination they do not get sick and this is a panacea! And then, it turned out that they were still sick. How to trust after that?
                  1. Coward
                    Coward 20 November 2021 07: 18
                    .
                    I was vaccinated in March, the second part. I didn’t seem to be sick. But for some reason nobody is worried that they also get sick with chickenpox after vaccination, but with COVID "Aaaaaa, they get sick after the vaccine. Bad, bad vaccination."
                    1. Moore
                      Moore 20 November 2021 07: 55
                      +13
                      Quote: Coward
                      I was vaccinated in March, the second part.

                      Why don't you do it again? Ginzburg orders to conduct revaccination against COVID-19 once every 6 months during the period of rising incidence.
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                      2. Moore
                        Moore 20 November 2021 08: 19
                        +15
                        In you, there is an undisguised hatred for people who decided not to inject themselves with something that was not guaranteed by anyone, and then went on vivisection under pressure from employers?
                        I don't know where how, but Sputnik Light in Novosibirsk, for example, is available in any clinic. But now you can sign up for a vaccination, not only for public services, but even at work, if more than five people are recruited and they come to you?
                      3. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 08: 59
                        .
                        And from my point of view, hatred is bubbling in me not because of the vaccination, but because the authorities are introducing all these restrictions, segregation, as Roman called it, because the people, due to their stupidity, were not vaccinated. And I still have to put on a mask, show this code, although all this could have been avoided for a long time.
                      4. Moore
                        Moore 20 November 2021 09: 30
                        +16
                        OK, while, for example, with the 89,2% vaccinated (1st place in Europe) population of Ireland, where now the peak incidence and power (they are about the same everywhere) have not come up with anything better than to let go to the cinema and theaters and curfews? Are the unvaccinated 10,8% to blame?
                      5. Coward
                        Coward 20 November 2021 09: 42
                        -1
                        And what about, for example, the population of the PRC where draconian methods were adopted and now they have all the rules?
                      6. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 20 November 2021 12: 52
                        +12
                        Quote: Coward
                        And what about, for example, the population of the PRC where draconian methods were adopted and now they have all the rules?

                        And where is the relationship, between vaccinations and draconian measures? Norm in China came just as a result of draconian measures, and not vaccination of hysteria. More precisely, not draconian measures, but even in the days of the USSR, developed actions to combat epidemics. By the way, even last spring I wrote that this is the only way to fight covid, and not delirium like self-isolation. AND? Then the likes of you, having looked around the zombie box, hysteria that I am a saboteur, and a cunning mnogokhodovochka with self-isolation will save everyone. Now self-isolation is not fashionable, now it is a trend to throw a panacea. I wonder what newfangled technique will you shout about in another 1.5 years?
                        But in fact, everything is extremely simple. There are effective methods of fighting epidemics, the very ones that China uses. The only problem with these measures is that the money will go nowhere, to feed the inhabitants. Or you can impose muzzles, cook on chicken codes, give Mrs. Zero's husband to earn extra money on vaccines. This is where the money will go into the right pocket, which is needed. True, as the experience of all totally muzzled and practically completely vaccinated English shows, for example, all this is complete garbage, interfering with the virus a little less than nothing, but is it really important? The main thing is that the financial trickle is flowing in the right direction. And you continue to believe in muzzles, self-isolation, panacea, since you are not able to look at the banal statistics on your own.
                      7. victor50
                        victor50 20 November 2021 11: 53
                        +6
                        Quote: Coward
                        And from my point of view, hatred is bubbling in me not because of the vaccination, but because the authorities are introducing all these restrictions, segregation, as Roman called it, because the people, due to their stupidity, were not vaccinated.

                        I'm not an anti-vaccine. And he got sick (easily) and was vaccinated. And, in my opinion, there are reasonable arguments for vaccination, and there are serious fears of its ineffectiveness. The latter is mostly due to stupid policies, stupid propaganda and the absence of calm and balanced explanations, as truthful as possible. And what you write is just very annoying. And you, like an ardent anti-vaccine, do not accept any arguments. Have you been taught not to think?
                      8. Svarog
                        Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 11
                        +17
                        Quote: Moore
                        An undisguised hatred for people is bubbling in you,

                        I noticed such a moment .. the vaccinated became very aggressive .. the side?
                      9. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 01
                        -1
                        Yes! But I do not belong to this category! For? They forced me! Although? Although, the mate became .... more details. laughing
                      10. MikhailRus
                        MikhailRus 21 November 2021 12: 05
                        0
                        It really is. At work, I noticed for a long time that the aggression comes from the vaccinated. And ... Sluggishness ...
                      11. bandabas
                        bandabas 20 November 2021 08: 56
                        +12
                        Soon it will be ordered once every 3 months. But he and his owners need to cut the loot.
                      12. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 November 2021 21: 13
                        -3
                        Neither small, medium nor large business needs this - their priorities are much stronger than those who produce vaccines and the vaccination company. Yes, it is more profitable for the latter to sell it to other countries than to supply it to the domestic market.
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 21: 26
                        +4
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Neither small, medium nor large business needs this - their priorities are much stronger than those who produce vaccines and the vaccination company.

                        Nonsense. It is the priorities of those who produce vaccines that are much stronger than business. Otherwise they would not have dictated their terms.
                    2. bk0010
                      bk0010 20 November 2021 21: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Coward
                      and with COVID "Aaaaaa, after the vaccine they get sick. Bad, bad vaccination."
                      They are not afraid of covid, they are afraid of side effects from Sputnik: vascular lesions (heart attacks), peripheral nervous system and joints.
                  2. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 20 November 2021 07: 21
                    +6
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Now tell me do you get sick with covid after vaccination? If so, what does it guarantee? How effective is it? Is it even possible to talk about it?

                    So for this, you first need to carry out a full cycle of experiments on mice ... And people are secretive - you just can't get an objective picture from them belay
                    1. bandabas
                      bandabas 20 November 2021 12: 26
                      +8
                      Sorry for the mice. Like cats. At the moment, a mustache-striped sits on my lap, does not ask for QR codes hi
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 November 2021 15: 18
                        +6
                        Quote: bandabas
                        At the moment, a mustache-striped sits on my lap, does not ask for QR codes

                        We have two ... 14 and 3 years old - both found ... More grateful than many people ... But the old mice never regretted ...
                      2. bandabas
                        bandabas 20 November 2021 20: 46
                        -1
                        Good luck! We are not mice, we are not rabbits, and there is no need to train on cats. drinks !
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 November 2021 06: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: bandabas
                        and no need to train on drinks cats!

                        Nooo ... the piggy bank is not mine wink
                  3. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 20 November 2021 07: 44
                    +4
                    Who said that after the vaccine they don't get sick?))) And I think I'm sitting where so many wild rumors appear)
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 04
                      0
                      I was sick, but ... no symptoms. laughing For? So said-TEST! temperature one day. Then? Social monitoring. It's a nightmare!
                  4. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 29
                    +10
                    Quote: Stas157
                    If so, what does it guarantee?

                    It ensures that the virus that passes through the vaccinated body is more resistant to drugs. That is why the infection goes wave after wave, but each time at a higher level.
                    Temporary quarantine (2-3 weeks) on the territory of the country can change the situation ... BUT !!! Ahead is the New Year holidays - a time of orgies and debauchery (not for mere mortals, of course).
                    1. Coward
                      Coward 20 November 2021 10: 50
                      .
                      How you love to contradict yourself. First, shout at every corner that the authorities do not care about the opinion of the people and immediately write that they are not introducing temporary quarantine. will not be able to indulge in debauchery.
                      Or maybe remember what was the "howling in the swamps" in the spring, when the authorities introduced a temporary quarantine.
                      1. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 55
                        +9
                        Quote: Coward
                        Or maybe remember what was the "howling in the swamps" in the spring, when the authorities introduced a temporary quarantine.

                        Are you full or half? Quarantine is for everyone, not just for "this byd .." and "rogue". These are not ordinary citizens who poured into Spain and other EU countries at the end of 2019. Many citizens today do not go beyond their area, and the so-called. some "elite" almost kiss on the gums at their gatherings.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 11
                        +3
                        You misunderstood him! laughing
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 20 November 2021 11: 51
                        +3
                        Well, you are overdoing it here) at what much) Who does not come out? For what borders?) Crowds rushed on vacations with wild speed. Whoever could. Ordinary crowd people)
                      4. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 21 November 2021 07: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Crowds rushed through the holidays with wild speed. Whoever could. Ordinary crowd people)

                        I understand you - shovel the news from two years ago West Lock... The point is that, given the available data on an outbreak of an unknown disease in AUTUMN 2019, the Russian authorities were not worried about either blocking the flow of tourists to problem countries (they feared for the bankruptcy of tour operators) or taking preventive measures. Forgive me, but ordinary citizens and "ordinary crowds of people" do not burst into Paris (Wuhan, Thailand, Spain, etc., etc.) "on business, urgently."
                        For example, I experienced a craving for a vacation abroad. I was not flattered to "see Hurghada and die." What do you think it means: "bursting on vacations at a wild speed"? Why don't they burst into Syria, for example? Or Afghanistan? Why are African countries ignored?
                        These are all excuses for the poor. But now the Russians are being informed about the upcoming losses of funds invested in travel in connection with the bankruptcy of travel agencies. Have you heard?
                      5. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 21 November 2021 08: 15
                        0
                        I, too, for what would block the borders to hell. In our city, all outbreaks began immediately after the holiday season, like this year, when after the summer everyone went home with the infection. And by the way, travel agencies went bankrupt remarkably well without a crown. She just finishes them off. From the age of 14, there were reasons without illness for this. As for urgently, I kind of talked about people who, according to the last words, do not leave the districts. Sorry, but this is nonsense.
                      6. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 21 November 2021 09: 40
                        0
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Sorry, but this is nonsense.

                        I am lost in your thoughts. Making assumptions.
                        First, do you consider the existence of people who for years do not go beyond the boundaries of their area (village, village) is delusional? Not at all. This phenomenon takes place. Moreover, recently (until she died) my friend's mother lived in my entrance. She did not go beyond the path around the house. Such a mindset is a man. She came from Kazakhstan with her children and grandchildren.
                        Second, do you consider the existence of urgency to be nonsense, which cannot be neglected in terms of choosing a vacation spot: at home without a "crown" or abroad "with a crown"?
                        Not too clever? Because delirium is the incoherent, meaningless speech of an unconscious patient.
                        hi
                      7. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 21 November 2021 10: 43
                        -1
                        Do not suffer) Your words were many citizens do not go outside their area. I answered that. All the rest of your inventions where I come from without a clue. And to be rude .. Well, fi. Although this is not surprising.
                      8. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 November 2021 23: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Are you full or half?

                        laughing hi
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 20 November 2021 11: 21
                      +6
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      It ensures that the virus that passes through the vaccinated body is more resistant to drugs. That is why the infection goes wave after wave, but each time at a higher level.

                      It looks like it. Otherwise, why the number of cases and deaths is MUCH more now, when they are vaccinated, than when there was no vaccine at all?
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 20 November 2021 06: 41
              +2
              In 1919, in the RSFSR, a decree "On compulsory smallpox vaccination" was issued. After 17 years, smallpox in the USSR was completely eradicated ...
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 33
                +13
                Quote: carstorm 11
                After 17 years, smallpox in the USSR was completely eradicated ...

                ... because people have stopped getting infected. Vaccinations gave stable immunity. Does vaccination give immunity to Covid-19? As practice shows, there are repeated infections.
                1. Coward
                  Coward 20 November 2021 10: 58
                  .
                  Rubella, polio, measles, diphtheria, whooping cough, chickenpox, etc. we also stop vaccinating because Are there re-infections?
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 11: 03
                    +7
                    Quote: Coward
                    Rubella, polio, measles, diphtheria, whooping cough, chickenpox, etc. we also stop vaccinating because Are there re-infections?

                    They told the goat death ...
                    Why are you so "invincible"? They write to you in Russian that vaccinations (Soviet times) gave a stable IMMUNITY, allowing you not to get sick !!! But I can explain to you with the example of measles vaccination:
                    The measles vaccine is recommended to be repeated according to the vaccination schedule every 10 years. The first time in terms of 22 to 29 years, then every 10 years - at 32 - 39 years, at 42 - 49 years.
                    1. Coward
                      Coward 20 November 2021 11: 17
                      .
                      "Why are you so 'invincible'?"
                      So I wrote to you above that you contradict yourself, and you again do it giving me an example with measles ..
                      And what about the diseases I listed in the Soviet era were not vaccinated? They only began to do after the collapse? No, they were made in Soviet times and with Soviet vaccinations, but they do not give persistent immunity, but for some reason you don’t demand to stop doing these vaccinations, since. they give reinfection.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 20 November 2021 10: 45
                +9
                It was OSPA! Not a money "disease"!
              3. Gardamir
                Gardamir 20 November 2021 11: 01
                +17
                And in the Soviet Union, unemployment, homelessness, and illiteracy were eradicated. Developed, not optimized, medicine.
                If we refer to the experience of the USSR, then let's live according to socialist principles.
              4. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 November 2021 21: 21
                -4
                Alas, Smallpox is not Covid - with Covid, everything is much more complicated, since the virus is new to him for two years at most, and Smallpox was first mentioned in the form of symptoms in ancient Egypt in 3730 BC.
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 52
              +14
              Quote: Coward
              Plague, cholera, etc., it seems that these diseases have been defeated precisely thanks to the vaccine and for some reason we do not get sick

              Do not talk nonsense. Already sick of homebrew specialists. Then be so kind as to indicate the time of vaccinations against these diseases.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 20 November 2021 07: 29
            +20
            Quote: carstorm 11
            The vaccine does not save you from infection. It makes it possible to transfer the disease much easier.

            How can we say this if the vaccine has not yet passed all phases of clinical trials?
          3. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 20 November 2021 15: 16
            +6
            Quote: carstorm 11
            People who are against vaccination here themselves, without realizing it, influence the opinion of others and someone from those who accepted this opinion could already die ...

            Yes Yes.... lol
            You yourself, how many people have ruined calling for vaccination such as hypertensive patients? Didn't count, no?
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 20 November 2021 06: 41
          +9
          Quote: Coward
          What do you mean! Can not be! And into your brain such a thought did not occur that it is more difficult to infect a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated one? Although what am I talking about? It can be seen that she did not come. negative

          And it will not come, because the brain is healthy. And tupari give 4 vaccinations and think that they are in the fortress. Vaccinations are needed for those who spend a lot of time in communication with people, sellers, doctors, drivers of public transport, etc. ... And who has normal immunity, why?
          https://spb.tsargrad.tv/news/polnyj-haos-gundarov-proanaliziroval-dannye-vakcinacii-ot-kovida-v-150-stranah-mira_441812
          And who will you believe? hi
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 06: 47
            .
            "And it will not come, for the brain is healthy"
            How to say.
          2. Far B
            Far B 20 November 2021 07: 12
            +17
            And tupari give 4 vaccinations
            Four vaccinations are given by weaklings and amateurs. For professionals, there are no limits: "Personally, I made six vaccinations. I am participating in an experiment ..." - Governor of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Komarova.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 20 November 2021 07: 18
              +12
              Quote: Dalny V
              "Personally, I have received six vaccinations. I am participating in the experiment ..." - Governor of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Komarova.

              After these words, I immediately recall the saying about the difference between talking and carrying weights ..
              1. Far B
                Far B 20 November 2021 07: 27
                +10
                You underestimate the severity of this madam. There is unconfirmed evidence that she carries severity in between vaccinations.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 20 November 2021 07: 29
                  +7
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  You underestimate the severity of this madam.

                  What are you, what are you ... Ones there are all harsh and powerful ... so what are not revaluations, what doubts ... Yes, gentlemen and ice people take their word for it ..
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 20 November 2021 07: 35
                    +9
                    (whisper) At the same time, she also got sick with covid, yes ... There are ladies in our time!
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 20 November 2021 07: 37
                      +8
                      Quote: Dalny V
                      ... There is a lady in our time!

                      And not only one ... and the Zhentelmen ... Zhirinovsky did the same four approaches ...
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 November 2021 21: 27
                        -5
                        That is, he made two vaccines Sputnik V - each with two injections with an interval between vaccinations of six months. And what's the big deal?
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 37
              0
              Quote: Dalny V
              Four vaccinations are given by weaklings and amateurs. For professionals, there are no limits: "Personally, I made six vaccinations. I am participating in an experiment ..." - Governor of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Komarova.

              And what does the practice of infecting AIDS patients say? Everyone survives or ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 37
                +4
                Quote: ROSS 42
                And what does the practice of infecting AIDS patients say? Everyone survives or ...

                Polupoker Antosha Krasovsky seems to have survived. request
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 13
            +4
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            ... And who has normal immunity, why?

            To lower it a little ... it's obvious.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 53
          +10
          Quote: Coward
          that it is more difficult to infect a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated one?

          Again nonsense. In St. Petersburg, 20% are already like that, further - more
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 47
            +7
            Quote: Silvestr
            Again nonsense. In St. Petersburg, 20% are already like that, further - more

            I don’t know if you would rate it as nonsense or not, but I’ll tell you in a nutshell. One citizen with a medical education described this process as follows: getting into the body of a vaccinated citizen, the virus undergoes a kind of mutation and acquires new strains that can subsequently cause infection at a new (high level). That is why vaccination must be cyclical.
            stop Forgive me, who needs vaccination, which does not guarantee a new infection? Who wants to turn their body into an incubator, from which "hell knows what" will come out of?
            The information sounds somehow extravagant: "I got vaccinated, but I got sick anyway." And there are cases when a person did not even know that vaccination was contraindicated for him and, having been vaccinated, died crying ...
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 November 2021 09: 06
          +16
          And such a thought did not enter your brain
          That some have immunity, more abruptly than a vaccine. Or do you live in your own made-up world?
          By the way, are you on duty today?
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 09: 47
            .
            Some, but not all. But those whose immunity is not steeper, listen with steep immunity and think that they, too, are healthy like bulls, and then the authorities are to blame for not saving them.
            "By the way, are you on duty today?"
            And I was still waiting for the conversation to begin to be translated into "training manuals." Are you out of arguments?
            1. victor50
              victor50 20 November 2021 14: 19
              +9
              Quote: Coward
              Are the arguments over?

              I don’t think your opponents have run out of them. Just a question was brewing in connection with your inadequate comments. But you didn't have them (arguments). You can't count as such the nonsense that you preached here, and the malice with which you did it.
        5. Phil77
          Phil77 20 November 2021 10: 44
          +2
          Damn !!!!! Yes, I was vaccinated !!!!
        6. Phil77
          Phil77 20 November 2021 11: 07
          +2
          Who has infected me .... vaccinated ??? laughingAnd straight away the question! Why ???? Wife-unvaccinated! Not infected? We live in "odnushka"!
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 20 November 2021 06: 44
      +17
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person with COVID at the expense of the sick and his family, plus unpaid sick leave.

      What about responsibility if the vaccinated person gets sick and God forbid dies? How about payments to family members? The authorities are forcing injections with a drug that does not guarantee anything. But he does not want to be held responsible for the consequences, in the event of a sad outcome.
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 06: 50
        .
        Did you try to read the entire branch?
        I have already written about treatment and sick leave paid by the state. In case of death, full payment for the funeral and possibly payment to the next of kin.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 November 2021 06: 54
          +11
          Quote: Coward
          I have already written treatment and paid sick leave at the expense of the state

          This is what every patient gets anyway. Therefore, your proposal is the absence of any proposal. What about insurance?
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 07: 00
            .
            "Any patient gets this anyway. So your offer is no offer. What about insurance?"
            Read my very first comment again, just slowly and thoughtfully.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 48
      +11
      Quote: Coward
      Exception for those who are not vaccinated for medical reasons

      Have you read the tex or blah blah? Covid survivor for medical reasons receives a medical lead from vaccination for 6-8 months.
      A legal pit arises - a person who has recovered is not considered to have recovered without PCR, which itself in 50% gives both a false-positive and a false-negative result. The existing high titer of Ig G, confirming the transferred covid, is of little concern. Accordingly, a person underwent covid, but not confirmed by PCR, is considered to have recovered for vaccination, but does not receive the code, as he did not recover. There are millions of them
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 06: 52
        .
        No, after all, the brains of anti-vaccines are unhealthy. You didn't even think about my comment. I think it is useless to explain to you.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 November 2021 07: 00
          +11
          Quote: Coward
          No, after all, the brains of anti-vaccines are unhealthy. You are my comment even

          Psychiatrists have already noted mental abnormalities in the vaccinated.
          Quote: Coward
          All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.

          Read again, and then the article. If you have not caught the difference, then go to the doctor. The person has been ill and this is proved by IgG, therefore, he cannot be vaccinated, but the code is not laid
          1. Moore
            Moore 20 November 2021 08: 02
            +17
            Quote: Silvestr
            Psychiatrists have already noted mental abnormalities in the vaccinated.

            At least they have aggression towards the so-called. "anti-axers" are much more than their opponents. Or is there an ancient principle: "I got drunk on shit, now you have to"?
          2. Alexander X
            Alexander X 20 November 2021 10: 04
            +18
            Psychiatrists have already noted mental abnormalities in the vaccinated.
            And their face is also changing, they become like Putin (just kidding).
            But this question is serious: the person has been ill. Myself. The doctors did not manage to get to the village and he survived. That is, there are no documents that he was ill with covid. A blood test gives high levels of the corresponding antibodies. But the QR code will not be given to him. Vaccination in his case is dangerous to health (as I understand it). And this person is not a carrier of covid infection. At least not more than the vaccinated.
            So why is this person considered "colored" (according to Skomorokhov)? And what should he do in order to still visit, for example, shopping centers, without interference from the qr code checkers?
            Interest is not idle ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 20 November 2021 23: 07
              0
              Quote: Alexander X
              And their face is also changing, they become like Putin (just kidding).

              Class! hi
      2. victor50
        victor50 20 November 2021 14: 22
        +8
        Quote: Silvestr
        Have you read the tex or blah blah?

        He's not a reader, but a writer! laughing
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 20 November 2021 06: 51
      +15
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple.

      Right. Do not lie and bring the norms in accordance with the development of medical science. The truth is that in our country officials who are far from medicine are engaged in medicine. Maybe that's why everything is so Russian and comes out through one place
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 07: 01
        .
        But you yourself just wrote "Already sick of home-grown specialists" and immediately write "The truth is that we have officials who are far from medicine engaged in medicine."
        And as far as Roman Skomorokhov is concerned, we are special in everything. But for some reason, you think this article of his is correct.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 November 2021 07: 24
          +10
          Quote: Coward
          And as far as Roman Skomorokhov is concerned, we are special in everything.

          He is not special, so he does not pretend to be. He expressed problem, and I commented on it.
          Quote: Coward
          But for some reason, you think this article of his is correct.

          The problem is yes. Once again read what I have written, think about it.
          There is no right solution to the problem now, and the covid has been walking around the country for 2 years. Who should write laws? When will they be written? In a year or two? They should be 1 year ago!
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 07: 39
            .
            How to assess the correctness of the laws? Whose opinion, yours or mine, is correct? For example: the state adopted a law that "we read my first comment further." You will say that only stupid people are in power and you will not consider yourself a "home-grown expert", just as I will consider that the law is correct, and I will not consider myself a "home-grown expert" either.
            You say that the covid walks around the country for two years (actually, around the world), but maybe because of the softness of our state, he walks? Maybe if the same measures were taken as in China, and I was there just when the pandemic began and returned to my homeland in September 2020, then maybe we would have, like the Chinese, defeated this covid. (The Chinese introduced cur-codes back in March 20th)
            1. Far B
              Far B 20 November 2021 07: 55
              +8
              (The Chinese introduced cur-codes back in March 20th)
              And something tells me that the introduction of kar-car codes in China was entirely within the framework of the legislation of the PRC - if only because some kind of garbage constantly happens there, then ash-one, en-one, then chicken flu, then mushroom constipation ... Plus, the trust of citizens in the state (regardless of the political system, I also don’t want to drive a wave about this). What we do not have in sight. So do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs.
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 08: 14
                -9
                "And something tells me that the introduction of kar-kar codes in China was entirely within the framework of the legislation of the PRC."
                I'm embarrassed to ask, what exactly prompts you? Knowledge of the laws of the PRC or just a desire to pour out a tub of slops on our government?
                1. Far B
                  Far B 20 November 2021 08: 21
                  +12
                  Hello hot:
                  High-level emergency response regime has been introduced in 25 provinces, municipalities and other territories in China due to the outbreak of coronavirus
                  China has declared an emergency situation. And you, when you were stuck in the Celestial Empire for eight covid months, did not know about this? Then a counter question - did you really stick out there?
                  1. Coward
                    Coward 20 November 2021 09: 26
                    .
                    Wow, and they also say that we vaccinated are aggressive. I know perfectly well what happened in China, as well as that there were no payments in China. And here, people like you, fighters against the authorities, first of all yelled about money and are now yelling. I don't care what you think about my location. But if our authorities acted as the authorities of China, there would be no such articles. the covid would have been defeated as it is now in China.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 20 November 2021 08: 44
              +3
              Quote: Coward
              How to assess the correctness of the laws? Whose opinion, yours or mine, is correct? Here

              Opinion is not important, it is important that there is a problem through the fault of the legislator and the Ministry of Healthcare of the Russian Federation
              1. Coward
                Coward 20 November 2021 09: 29
                .
                As I already wrote, I was in China and saw how the Party and the government are fighting the pandemic. Our authorities are just really pestering us. There was a tough guy.
                1. Smesharik83
                  Smesharik83 20 November 2021 12: 01
                  +8
                  And even there, some members of the party and government are shot for the palaces and golden toilets found on them ...
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 21 November 2021 12: 51
                    0
                    Less and less. For many crimes, the death penalty has been abolished in the PRC. Where there is a fork in punishment, imprisonment is more often used.
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 21 November 2021 12: 55
                    +1
                    Bo Xilai, despite all the atrocities attributed to him, was nevertheless not sentenced to death. Not a single former member of the Politburo was executed.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 11: 05
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            They should be 1 year ago!

            In October-November 2019 !!!
      2. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 20 November 2021 16: 26
        +5
        The truth is that in our country officials who are far from medicine are engaged in medicine. Maybe that's why everything is so Russian and comes out through one place

        So the governors are no better! Where in the Russian Federation in 2020 was the emergency regime announced? Are the borders closed?
    7. SVD68
      SVD68 20 November 2021 08: 53
      +6
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.

      What, this is the direct cost of the entire package of Arbidol?
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 09: 31
        .
        Well, yes, there are no red zones, no urgent release of ventilators, no increased salary for those working in the red zones, there is only humor of the level of Petrosyan.
        1. SVD68
          SVD68 20 November 2021 09: 49
          +11
          1. For the absolute majority who suffered from covid, none of the above is present. There is only free packaging of arbidol.
          2. Urgent production of ventilators and other urgent measures are caused by the "optimization" of medicine.
          3. Petrosyan's humor is of high quality and thoughtful. In contrast to your campaigning for a method of coercion to vaccinate in the form of refusal of already paid medical care.
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 10: 34
            -5
            What are you about salaries in the red zone, "technically" silent?
    8. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 20 November 2021 09: 00
      +15
      All treatment of an unvaccinated and sick COVID at the expense of the sick


      Then give them back all the contributions they made to the healthy system.
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 09: 34
        .
        And before that, they did not suffer from any other diseases? Did you go on sick leave? The heart is strong, the gastrointestinal tract was not upset, and the rotavirus infection was not picked up.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 20 November 2021 09: 46
          +9
          And before that, they did not suffer from any other diseases?


          You do not have the right to divide citizens into grades out of your wish. I would be hanging on a lantern, such as you and the arguments would find darkness. But you can't. 21st century in the yard. So your Wishlist is impossible in a modern state.
          1. Coward
            Coward 20 November 2021 10: 38
            .
            You are off topic. Apparently you yourself understand that you have no arguments. Sorry, I thought we were going to have a productive discussion.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 20 November 2021 13: 45
              +6
              Apparently you yourself understand that you have no arguments. n


              I have a million arguments for sure. I am vaccinated against both covid and seasonal flu. But this is my personal decision. I grew up in a family of doctors, my mother is an epidemiologist and I understand the subject of influenza, worse than a virologist, but better than a layman.
              For all that, I can tell you that medical fascism and covidiotism are not an option and not a solution to influenza epidemic. The flu will go away when it passes through everyone. Not earlier and not later.
              Second, the covid killed 2 million in 5 years. Spanish woman - 70 to 100 million But clearly the thinking is different when you leave the trenches of the First World War and when you leave Facebook. The drama is different ... laughing
        2. victor50
          victor50 20 November 2021 14: 34
          +4
          Quote: Coward
          And before that, they did not suffer from any other diseases? Did you go on sick leave? The heart is strong, the gastrointestinal tract was not upset, and the rotavirus infection was not picked up.

          Is this your medical history ?! belay
          And if you didn't go, didn't get sick, then what to do? Among my acquaintances there is no such holy faith in medicine, therefore, for many years, almost none of them have been on sick leave. Did they deserve the right to medical care, even if they turned out to be unvaccinated? And what would you do with the unvaccinated, if they turned out to be such because of the lack of a vaccine? For example, I waited 2 weeks. Although all the irons poured urgent calls for vaccinations.
    9. Svarog
      Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 01
      +10
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.

      So they don't treat us here ... moreover, they deliberately infect. Yesterday I took the child to the children's hospital for a certificate to the school, it was not possible to enroll, the appointment was scheduled for two weeks. I think maybe I will skip in a "live" queue .. I walked in and was stunned .. why did everyone optimize .. people, to see a therapist, as in the mausoleum .. turn .. Everybody sneezes, coughs .. okay, I'm sick .. I thought the infection does not stick to the infection .. I waited, stood for an hour, spat and went home .. the line for three people moved forward.
      The question is, who will be responsible for those whom the state infects?
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 09: 34
        .
        That is exactly why I will not be vaccinated, let them quickly infect me.
        1. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 20 November 2021 16: 32
          +5
          That is exactly why I will not be vaccinated, let them quickly infect me.

          Yes Yes! Half of the vaccinated were with me in the ward ... With the terms of vaccination ... from four days to 4 months. All heavy !!! Is this a good vaccine ???
    10. Bar1
      Bar1 20 November 2021 09: 13
      +9
      my temperature rose, on CT it showed that pneumonia, and after treatment in a hospital in the hospital, it was concluded that coronavirus with lung damage of 20%.
      So first pneumonia, then coronavirus. Those. I was treated for pneumonia, but the coronavirus was cured. They do not know anything for sure. How to believe them?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        and after treatment in a hospital in a hospital, it was concluded that coronavirus with lung damage was 20%.
        This is how first pneumonia, then coronavirus.

        And there are cases when a relative with pneumonia is taken, and admitted to a hospital with coronavirus. Tell me why? Read here:
        https://www.ffoms.gov.ru/news/monitoring-smi/skolko-stoit-lechenie-bolnogo-koronavirusom-v-rossii/
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 20 November 2021 12: 15
          +5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And there are cases when a relative with pneumonia is taken, and admitted to a hospital with coronavirus. Tell me why? Read here:


          Thank God I was treated for free
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 20 November 2021 13: 46
            +8
            Quote: Bar1
            Thank God I was treated for free

            You were treated free of charge, but the hospital received a certain amount under the compulsory medical insurance for your treatment in the form of salary to the attending physicians. A colleague listed the cost of treatment in the table above.
    11. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 November 2021 10: 10
      +10
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple.

      True, for this it is necessary to introduce a covid quarantine in the country at the state level.
      Quote: Coward
      All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave.

      Why not euthanasia ... Or a gas chamber?
      Quote: Coward
      An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.

      How can medical contraindications be established if they have no place to be studied?
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 November 2021 10: 41
        -9
        "How can medical contraindications be established if they have no place to be studied?"
        The funny thing is that one of the first arguments against vaccines was: "A person should not be vaccinated because he may have contraindications." And now, for some reason, this argument doesn’t.
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    13. Revival
      Revival 20 November 2021 13: 07
      +6
      Can you give an example of the measures used in Germany in the last century?
      Well for efficiency?
      As some shameful decision, we are dragging abroad as an example, as the size of pensions and salaries, so it is necessary to pay, to tighten our belts
    14. flicker
      flicker 20 November 2021 14: 23
      +3
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment of an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID at the expense of the sick person and his relatives
      In general, I like the way you think. There is just one little problem:

      And what about that, that every working person deducts to the CHI (compulsory health insurance) from 5,1% of the salary?
      And anything that is not vaccinated about 65% of the population? Those. almost twice as many as vaccinated, which means that those who were not vaccinated made more deductions to the compulsory health insurance.
      Or maybe it is the vaccinated who are being treated in hospitals for coronavirus at the expense of the NOT vaccinated?
      ---
      But what about the vaccinated who end up in the hospital and who are treated with the deductions of the unvaccinated?
    15. Glagol1
      Glagol1 20 November 2021 15: 03
      +2
      Coward. You can not do it this way. This is illegal!
    16. huntsman650
      huntsman650 20 November 2021 15: 36
      +2
      What ward are you writing from?)))
    17. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 20 November 2021 15: 51
      +3
      All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave.

      Do you have a full-fledged vaccination certificate? Are the tests over? Can I see it?
    18. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 November 2021 16: 25
      -1
      Quote: Coward
      All treatment of an unvaccinated and sick COVID at the expense of the sick

      And if there is no money, die.
    19. Uran53
      Uran53 20 November 2021 17: 05
      0
      And who will pay for the treatment, which smoothly turns into a commemoration, for the vaccinated?
    20. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 November 2021 17: 08
      +4
      Well? Today I read that the Kremlin held another "debutante ball" - within the framework of customization (division into castes) of society. Who does not know, this is such a meeting of millionaire-billionaires, where they kind of introduce their litter to each other, for "inter-clan", "inter-family", acquaintances and possible marriages. So, here: judging by the pictures from there, NOBODY, AT ALL from those present, did not wear antique masks. Obviously, masks are an attribute of plebeians, subhumans, untermensch, and gentlemen, the masters of life, can do without them. This, by the way, once again suggests thinking about the so-called "pandemic" and why it was launched ...
    21. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 20 November 2021 17: 08
      +3
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.


      No problem. In this case, all unvaccinated goods must be sold at a real price, excluding 20% ​​VAT, he must buy gasoline without taking into account the state surcharges. excise. Taxes should not be deducted from his salary, including (ATTENTION !!!!) on compulsory health insurance. What else is there? According to the constitution, mineral resources are the basis for the life of the people? So, to all unvaccinated to pay a percentage of the capitalization of Gazprom, Rosneft and any other offices, including those that in the 90s were given away for a pittance at loans-for-shares auctions. For a start, perhaps that's enough.
      P.S. brains need to think at least a little ... at least sometimes.
    22. John Cena
      John Cena 20 November 2021 18: 32
      0
      "All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave." - I will greatly surprise you if I say that EVERY citizen pays monthly 8% of his salary to the MHI and FSS funds? And it turns out that all medicine in Russia is PAID?
      Or do you live in your rosy dreams, in which the state supposedly takes care of you?
    23. alystan
      alystan 20 November 2021 19: 14
      0
      Coward, you must first figure out (at least for yourself) what vaccination is, for what purpose it is carried out, how high-quality and proven / rechecked it should be, and most importantly at what moment it is carried out (before the onset of a mass disease, in the period or after - select correct option laughing ). It is necessary to vaccinate before the onset of the mass spread of the disease. The second vaccination was invented for Covid, and then the revaccination was added. Both of these additional doses will cause great harm to the human body. A vaccinated person does not need a vaccine at all. Have you ever gotten yourself vaccinated after the flu? Probably no one will even remember this. And that means that everyone should fall under the exception if the pandemic is already raging with might and main (how they pour it into our ears from morning to evening)! We need new methods of treatment and, if necessary, new medicines, and everyone should be treated by the beloved state for free!
    24. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 20 November 2021 23: 33
      -1
      Quote: Coward
      vaccination problem

      And what shall we say the borders are open and new strains are brought here is not a problem?
      As in the joke "you either put on your panties, or take off the cross."
      It's the same as putting out a fire but pouring kerosene in one.
    25. restless
      restless 21 November 2021 07: 38
      0
      I was sick with covid and I paid for everything at my own expense, the doctor was about to die or recover before the lamp, on discharge I said that we would not spoil the statistics and gave me a sick person: community-acquired pneumonia. It was May-June 2000, while no tests were done, I just extended my sick leave and prescribed antibiotics, so I do not trust doctors and our government, there is only one lie all around ...
    26. MikhailRus
      MikhailRus 21 November 2021 11: 39
      -2
      Probably your grandfather was on the other side ...

      "I felt ashamed, coming to Grandpa at the cemetery, to look into his eyes in the portrait. The generation that defended the world from fascism at the cost of their life, health, youth, asked us only one thing: to remember and not allow! How we were able to allow fascism to penetrate again and raise your head, trample on human dignity and the right to be a free person, not a trademark, forget the Nuremberg Code and become experimental material? How do we, the heirs of a generation of victors, who stood under the banner of the Immortal Regiment, became traitors to the deeds of our ancestors? What will we leave to our descendants? It's scary! No, not to live, and it's scary to hold an answer to the Ancestors and Conscience. "
    27. fsb_buzuk
      fsb_buzuk 21 November 2021 21: 17
      0
      Then there is no need to treat the vaccinated, let the gunzburg treat them. The budget has already paid for the "vaccine".
    28. Garris199
      Garris199 22 November 2021 00: 01
      -2
      And then taxes should be returned to this citizen if he is denied treatment under the compulsory medical insurance.
    29. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 22 November 2021 01: 15
      -1
      Quote: Coward
      But solving the problem of vaccination is very simple. All treatment for an unvaccinated person who is sick with COVID is at the expense of the sick person and his family, plus unpaid sick leave. An exception for those who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.

      fool Covid in the heads of medical officials! fool
      Quarantines for all those who roam across the borders! The country is like a courtyard. Migrants, officials, vacationers, businessmen ... In the 19th century, there was a plague in Moscow and ... They were quarantined to enter. Sit for 2 weeks, chew crackers, if you really need to go to Moscow. request
      The hottest topic in the world right now is the war on COVID-19. It is possible that it can be won easily and cheaply. But since neither big business (because of greed), nor governments (because of the desire to tighten the screws even more and finally enslave citizens) with the globalists behind them do not need this, people continue to die. Moreover, so many people are not needed for the masters of life - there is nothing to burden with yourself and your children the ecology of their planet!
      This is, of course, a Japanese miracle. The number of cases of covid per million inhabitants there in October turned out to be almost 37 times less than in Italy, which is consistently included in the top five European long-lived countries and has good medicine. At the same time, the number of vaccinated in both countries is practically the same - over 70%. Vaccines are the same.

      Maybe Italians are slovens and don't wear masks? At first they really ignored them, now they don't crawl out of them. And, yes, even in the spring, the Japanese were not much different from the Italians in terms of covid: after the start of mass vaccination from the beginning of 2021, their infection spread rates jumped up sharply. The number of deaths reported from covid in August 2021 was five times higher than in August 2020, when no one had ever injected vaccines. And then suddenly “everything went away.” Japanese scientists suggested that doctors use the good old and very cheap veterinary remedy, Ivermectin, for the treatment of covid. It was sometimes used to treat people with diseases such as lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis) and some others. And then, purely empirically, doctors in a number of countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, which had problems with medicines, found out that this antiparasitic drug is very effective in treating people infected with covid and even as a means of prevention.

      Their experience was suggested to be used in Japan by the chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki. He was supported by a few more courageous doctors, and then their example was gradually followed by many others who think about people, and not about the earnings of corporations or the lusts of the authorities. As a result, the situation with COVID-19, due to the growing use of "Ivermectin", began to improve rapidly.

      Remember when, before the last presidential elections in the United States, Donald Trump picked up covid - he was cured in a couple of days by the American doctor Vladimir Zelenko with a penny "cocktail" based on long-known and cheap drugs. Zelenko, for example, suggested in this regard the FDA to conduct clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine, but the regulator categorically refused - the coronavirus should be fought only with vaccines and preferably American ones.
    30. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 November 2021 14: 18
      -1
      Quite right. Unvaccinated - parasitize on the vaccinated. Get sick without a vaccine - treat yourself. The relatives died.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 November 2021 06: 09
    +9
    I think the liberals will develop success (restrict access to establishments, up to public toilets. And the social network will be tightened) angry
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 November 2021 06: 18
      +18
      you are not alone Roman, there are a lot of us of such "blacks" ... survived.
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        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 20 November 2021 13: 39
          +5
          Quote: 2A42
          I got sick last summer. Asymptomatic. I didn't drink any pills. He was actively involved in strengthening the immune system. You don't take care of yourself - nobody will take care of yourself. I honestly pay all the deductions from the official salary (it is more than 100 sput), a couple of months ago my fifth child was born. The last time I went to a (private) hospital for examination was in 2009. He did not take sick leave in this century. No one is vaccinated in the family. For the last 10 years, the whole family has been observed by the same professional homeopath. We can live without cinemas, clubs and shopping centers, there is a house in the village, a ski slope 10 minutes from the house, there is a delivery from restaurants and brand stores. I don’t see the point of wasting time criticizing the leader with the team, they are on their own, I am on my own. About the situation with the codes, I say to myself the Soviet demobilization - 'don't forget ... the people who have less than a year left'. Will live. All health)

          Yes, we all live like that ... wassat
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 20 November 2021 06: 37
      +20
      restrict access to establishments, up to public toilets. And the social network will be pulled up
      But why waste time on trifles - to the reservation of everyone. Damn, why did he tell me - they have enough intelligence to embody ...
      1. Moore
        Moore 20 November 2021 08: 05
        +9
        Quote: Crowe
        But why waste time on trifles - to the reservation of everyone. Damn, why did he tell me - they have enough intelligence to embody ...

        Well, talking heads are already talking about the same thing.
    3. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 20 November 2021 09: 12
      +13
      I think liberals will build on success


      We call them "covidiots". laughing Although the power already recognizes and gives the curd codes to everyone with antibodies, but in the rest of Europe everyone is completely crazy and only recognizes vaccination. The dictatorship of idiots has come, on a worldwide scale.
  3. avia12005
    avia12005 20 November 2021 06: 10
    +5
    There is only one conclusion: a creeping state anti-constitutional coup is taking place in the country, as a result of which power is transferred from the President to Rospotrebnadzor, the medical mafia and regional princelings. Not having achieved their goal on Bolotnaya and with Navalny, Western liberals went the other way, Gates and Soros are delighted.
    1. for
      for 20 November 2021 06: 22
      +12
      Quote: avia12005
      power is transferred from the President to Rospotrebnadzor, the medical mafia and regional princelings.

      And all this is happening by order of the President, Soros and Bulk are again to blame.
      Or Mr. Putin wants to repeat the feat in the name of Russia Nicholas II. Only people like "Bolsheviks" are not visible on the horizon.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 November 2021 06: 34
        +8
        Or Mr. Putin wants to repeat the feat in the name of Russia Nicholas II
        In the "martyrdom" marks? laughing
    2. for
      for 20 November 2021 06: 40
      +6

      And what did Ginsburg do with face plastic surgery?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 November 2021 09: 18
        +6
        And what did Ginsburg do with face plastic surgery?
        This is a mask.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 20 November 2021 09: 18
      +5
      There is only one conclusion: a creeping state anti-constitutional coup is taking place in the country, as a result of which power is transferred from the President to Rospotrebnadzor, the medical mafia and regional princelings. Not having achieved their goal on Bolotnaya and with Navalny, Western liberals went the other way, Gates and Soros are delighted.

      Gates believes that by June 2022 the coronation will end .. by the way, he gives predictions quite accurately .. since he got into the pharmaceutical business.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 20 November 2021 09: 21
        +6
        Wait and see. On November 4, 2021, Gates warned that in the near future there will be terrorist attacks in the world with the use of biological weapons - smallpox. "... by the way, he makes predictions quite accurately ..."
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 November 2021 13: 21
          +2
          Quote: avia12005
          Wait and see. On November 4, 2021, Gates warned that in the near future there will be terrorist attacks in the world with the use of biological weapons - smallpox. "... by the way, he makes predictions quite accurately ..."

          So it will be so .. he has now tested everything and with the help of his lackeys in different countries spreads fascism, simultaneously getting rid of old people and weak health.
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 20 November 2021 06: 11
    +17
    Well, let's wait until the Duma comes up with something sensible.
    What will they do in the Duma ??? They are above such trifles, they float directly above the world, immortals. Volodin won announced that the entrance to the Duma would be through the kukods, such a howl was raised by the noble people elected by the elite. The infection does not stick to the white bone and is not found in blue blood wassat
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 20 November 2021 06: 35
      +17
      Volodin won announced that the entrance to the Duma would be through the kukods, such a howl was raised by the elected representatives of the noble people-elite.
      Yeah. '' I also looked, and in this rumble of dissatisfied I clearly heard the words
      The infection does not stick to the white bone and is not found in blue blood
      and also "and we are for something."
  5. riwas
    riwas 20 November 2021 06: 12
    +2
    Do not know. I am vaccinated, but there is no QR code. There is no desire to stand in line at the MFC or receive confirmation on public services. Nevertheless, I have no problems in Novosibirsk. Where I need I have access.
    1. Coward
      Coward 20 November 2021 06: 19
      +4
      And what is the problem of getting it on public services? The certificate with the code came to me automatically. More precisely, two certificates, one in Russian, one in English.
      1. riwas
        riwas 20 November 2021 06: 28
        +2
        And what is the problem of getting it on public services?

        I have a standard form, but for a confirmed one I have to go to a bank where there are paid services. In addition, government services are hacked, which has been repeatedly discussed in social media. networks, there is a greater risk of getting into trouble with the confirmed form.
        1. Coward
          Coward 20 November 2021 06: 34
          -5
          To be honest, I did not understand nifiga. I show my certificate with a code that is readable and I have no plugs.
          1. riwas
            riwas 20 November 2021 06: 40
            +1
            Well, what's not clear here. There are three forms on public services: simplified, standard and confirmed. I have a standard one. After vaccination, the QR code did not come to me. To my request, the state services replied that for this it was necessary to go to the bank and named the nearest one so that the form became confirmed. You can't do without it.
            1. Coward
              Coward 20 November 2021 06: 55
              -4
              Oh, that's what you mean! Well, I can’t say anything here. I registered on the state, when it was still done only through Rostelecom.
  6. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 November 2021 06: 19
    .
    When people begin to understand that the world has changed and that the crisis due to covid is a reality ... Have you watched the novel? And How ? How many people like you? Millions? Let's say for a moment that instead of watching, you and your ilk would go and get vaccinated. That was? Would it save the life of one of the thousands who die every day? What do you think? And you bear even more responsibility. You bring your opinion to other people. And they read you. And so we decided to wait too. The man got sick. He's not as lucky as you. Will you sleep normally? But for some reason you only care about the fact that you are not given the code ...
    1. aglet
      aglet 20 November 2021 07: 53
      +10
      “And so we decided to wait too. The man got sick.
      as an unvaccinated person, i.e. healthy (well, like Roman, for example), can be responsible for someone getting sick? and where does healthy sleep have to do with it? do you know that in africa children go hungry? and what, do not sleep at night? the author is worried about us already shared into two classes, and one is smaller, by the way, from the authorities all the buns, and the other - only fines and threats, which will be even worse, and not only from the authorities, but also from people like you
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 November 2021 10: 21
        -8
        First, I said clearly why. Any person who conveys his opinion to others through the media or any area and bears it. And secondly, we have divided ourselves.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 November 2021 11: 14
          +9
          By the way, about any faces. Does your opinion apply to Peskov, who publicly declared that he was not vaccinated ...
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 20 November 2021 11: 46
            +3
            Negatively. I do not hide my opinion on this matter.
          2. Woodman
            Woodman 20 November 2021 20: 48
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Does your opinion apply to Peskov, who publicly declared that he was not vaccinated ...

            Peskov said in the summer that he (it seems) had taken root in light.
  7. Far B
    Far B 20 November 2021 06: 28
    +21
    Fabulous. The author is practically a fellow in misfortune laughing I, being on vacation in the neighboring region in the summer (I went to my mother, I have the right), somehow realized that I had lost my scent. Well, and the temperature is a little bit over 37. However, the temperature is so little things. But scent is a serious matter. It’s inconvenient to drink a vacation (my dear, I sniff it first, only then I eat it - well, that’s a habit). And at first I was even glad about the scent - alcohol does not shine in the nose! But then I realized that garlic no longer smells like sausage. Then I boozed with eau de toilette. Usually the smell is as pleasant as myself, but here - nothing. I went and put my nose in a can of gasoline - a dead number. remembered that loss of smell is one of the symptoms of covidla. Gathered, walked to the local district hospital. (Moreover, for a couple of weeks on sick leave they will add up on vacation - not bad at all, I thought ...)
    And there is a circus with horses, really. I won't even tell you how the drive looks like and what kind of queue there is, how the registration is going on at the reception, because there are little things. Compared to how the doctors received me. And they took it like this:
    - What did you want?
    - The scent is gone, temperature. I suspect covid.
    - Give me a passport. Oh, you’re from another region!
    - Yeah.
    - So you first need to pass the test. For denyuzhku.
    - So it is ... I have the policy. Medical. Insurance.
    - Does not care. The test is for denyuzhku, for a different region.
    - And it’s also ... The situation in the country. Epidemically dangerous. Threat of occurrence.
    - Does not care. The test is for denyuzhku, for a different region.
    Honestly, I was not sorry for this unfortunate test (although the price tag, to be honest, is quite horse-drawn; and in general - why is the test paid for free vaccinations ???). I felt offended for the chaos that was happening: what, excuse the damn thing, am I, a citizen of a single state who monthly deducts to the same MHIF (and has not applied to the hospital for more than twenty years), is deprived of the right to free medical care as part of the fight, as is officially accepted to call it a new coronavirus infection in conditions that are positioned as pandemic (well, or pre-pandemic - you can figure it out)?
    In short, I went home and is being treated with home methods. It was somewhat unusual to be treated without a scent, but I managed it. The temperature passed already on the third day, and the scent recovered in a month. In short, there is no certificate on hand either. And how the situevina with antikidny measures will develop further - it is generally not clear what other crazy ideas will be accepted by our bureaucracy - it’s even scary to think about it. I don't see any point in getting vaccinated - given how easily I got through covidlu, it's easier for me to get sick again and acquire native antibodies, which are closer to my body. But from December 1, in our region, a car code is being introduced for domestic air transportation, and from our north you can only get out by plane, so you still have to do something. Either to inject, or as in "DMB": "Hey, you, (censored) wild, you spit in my face, I ask you as a dear."
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 November 2021 06: 52
      +11
      Quote: Dalny V
      But from December 1, in our region, a car code is being introduced for domestic air transportation, and from our north you can only get out by plane, so you still have to do something.

      Cook skis))) wassat
      Quote: Dalny V
      - So it is ... I have the policy. Medical. Insurance.
      - Does not care. The test is for denyuzhku, for a different region.

      That you THERE were therefore not aware that they are equally divided over which region is their own there or foreign. And the test is in any case for denyuzhka wassat
      Generally speaking, normal countries began their fight against covidla with universal testing of everyone and everywhere ... and, importantly, free of charge. In the second year, our covids also began to discuss such a possibility. They will be discussing for a long time and persistently until they have 100% inoculated. After that, they will say that it seems that it is no longer necessary and will come up with a new income.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 November 2021 07: 58
        +7
        And the test is in any case for denyuzhka
        So I, like a louse, hoped that "The situation in the country. Epidemically dangerous. Threat of occurrence." All the same, smolders, smolders, somewhere in the backyard of my consciousness, belief in the rationality of government decisions. And here it is straight like this ... Like a puppy - these same strangers. No, well, abidna, huh ?!
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 20 November 2021 08: 10
          +6
          Quote: Dalny V
          All the same, smolders, smolders, somewhere in the backyard of my consciousness, belief in the rationality of government decisions.

          wassat tongue laughing How is it all running for you, oh-oh ... drinks
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 20 November 2021 08: 14
            +6
            Quote: NDR-791
            Quote: Dalny V
            All the same, smolders, smolders, somewhere in the backyard of my consciousness, belief in the rationality of government decisions.

            wassat tongue laughing How is it all running for you, oh-oh ... drinks

            This is an atavism from the old days ...
            1. Far B
              Far B 20 November 2021 08: 22
              +6
              Yes, no, well, cho you right away recourse Well, I was on vacation, relaxed, this, that ...
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 20 November 2021 08: 25
                +7
                Quote: Far In
                Yes, no, well, cho you right away recourse Well, I was on vacation, relaxed, this, that ...

                But there is no need to make excuses - you picked it up as a child ... but as soon as you relax for a minute, you will have a relapse ..
                1. Far B
                  Far B 20 November 2021 08: 31
                  +6
                  relax for a minute
                  laughing Well, my vacation is long, north. So my vacation minute is a little long. So I forgive myself. Yes, and tovo ... This is ... I telly in Putin I haven't seen Putin on TV for a year between vacations. And then I arrived - at my mother’s TV set constantly fucking. And there is always Putin. He's round-cheeked, he inspires confidence, especially when inside of me half a liter of legal leave is splashing ... In short, damn it, enough to roll a barrel for me. Fucked up. I will work on myself.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 20 November 2021 08: 33
                    +6
                    Quote: Dalny V
                    In short, damn it, stop rolling me a barrel. Fucked up. I will work on myself.

                    Whoa ... that's good, that's right ...
    2. victor50
      victor50 20 November 2021 15: 00
      +4
      Quote: Dalny V
      Either use drugs, or like in "DMB": "Hey, you, (censored) wild, you spit in my face, I ask you as a dear."

      Received unspeakable pleasure from your opus! hi We will all win! fellow
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 November 2021 07: 06
    +5
    The doctor at the nearest clinic listened to me very thoughtful
    Exactly. When they came to my house and decided to put on a "positive test", they slipped the results from the clinic, I sent them (I felt like an elephant, and they gave me pieces of paper). They were also thoughtful. We agreed on re-analysis. And I would have been led and picked up in the hospital an infection from a bouquet, not covid, so hepatitis. request
  9. Bradley
    Bradley 20 November 2021 07: 12
    +10
    I wanted to sit in a cafe with a chandelier, but they sent me without a couvar code. They said that they could wrap up with them. fellow
    After vaccination, someone's hands then hurt (for weeks), and someone does not get up at all. And you shouldn't expect something free in our country. Free cheese only in a mousetrap.


    Nuremberg Code and other international acts against compulsory vaccination:
    This means that the person involved in the experiment as a subject must have the legal right to give such consent; be able to exercise a free choice and not be influenced by any elements of violence, deception, fraud, trickery or other covert forms of pressure or coercion; have knowledge sufficient to understand the essence of the experiment and make an informed decision

    Nuremberg Code of 1947
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 20 November 2021 07: 14
    +8
    Maybe it's easier to take it out of the outskirts altogether, and put a bullet in the back of the head there?
    Not relevant, it is better to burn in the squares, before that there is a public trial and .... dancing .. laughing
    1. aglet
      aglet 20 November 2021 07: 59
      +6
      "Not actual, it is better to burn in the squares, before that there is a public trial and .... dancing .."
      no, dancing is better after that. laughter laughter, but we go to that
  11. don-1500
    don-1500 20 November 2021 07: 16
    +10
    At our place of work, everyone was put on a bus and taken to the clinic, having previously made us tests for the level of antibodies (I showed solid zeros of 0, 013). In the vaccination room, I told the girls that my blood pressure sometimes jumps to 180, that 140/90 is my normal state in general, they thought, consulted and instead of Sputnik they injected me with Kovivak. The second vaccination will be given on November 24th. If only they would not force me to inject myself every half a year, I’ll go to anti-axers. PS Roman's baseball cap in the photo is cool
    1. Coward
      Coward 20 November 2021 07: 59
      .
      "and instead of Sputnik, they pricked me with Kovivak"
      Duc is the same thing. Sputnik is a proprietary or trademark, and Kovivak is a medical name.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 20 November 2021 08: 04
        +8
        Quote: Coward
        Duc is the same thing. Sputnik is a proprietary or trademark, and Kovivak is a medical name.

        Mdeee ...
        "Sputnik V" is a combined vector vaccine of the N.N. N.F. Gamalei. In two doses of the vaccine, there are adenovirus vectors that cannot multiply, which introduce the gene for the coronavirus S-protein into the body. The interval between two injections is three weeks.
        "KoviVac" is a whole-virion vaccine, created by the Center. Chumakov. It is based on SARS-CoV-2, devoid of infectious properties, but capable of causing an immune response. The interval between two injections is two weeks.
        1. Coward
          Coward 20 November 2021 08: 23
          -2
          Ugh damn it, confused with gamkovidvak.
          1. victor50
            victor50 20 November 2021 15: 07
            +6
            Quote: Coward
            Ugh damn it, confused with gamkovidvak.

            unforgivable to you! So everyone here was taught to live and use drugs! And such a puncture! And "tfu, damn it" will not save you from contempt and mistrust! laughing
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 20 November 2021 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: don-1500
      and instead of Sputnik, they pricked me with Kovivak
      You're in luck.
  12. Konnick
    Konnick 20 November 2021 07: 30
    +7
    So, for a variety of reasons, the idea that if enough people took the vaccine it would create strong herd immunity was a deliberate lie. From the first day it was 100% clear that by the time the last dose of the vaccine was introduced, the rapid evolution of the virus would lead to the fact that it was time to think about re-vaccinations. Exactly as it happens with the flu shot. And completely different from the measles vaccine. Respiratory virus vaccines can never provide anything more than a temporary “refresh” of cross-immunity — they are just synthetic replacements for your regular natural exposure to many cold and flu viruses. Immunity as a service imposed on society by deception

    .http: //worldcrisis.ru/crisis/3955049
  13. mem1963
    mem1963 20 November 2021 07: 46
    +16
    Interestingly, in Russia all events are repeated? About the behavior of the authorities during a pandemic about 200 years ago in Sevastopol, Sergeev-Tsensky writes in his book:
    In 1828, there was no plague in Sevastopol, but there was quarantine. For prevention. In 1829, there was still no plague, but the quarantine was tightened. Anyone who wanted to leave the city or enter it had to sit in complete isolation for 14 to 19 days. The people stopped traveling. Supply interruptions have occurred. To fight the epidemic, money was allocated from the royal treasury. As a result, officials bought food from their suppliers for kickbacks at inflated prices, and the townspeople were given the worst.

    Naturally, everyone who profited from the epidemic, primarily officials and doctors, was interested in the continuation of this holiday. All cases of illness of any disease were declared a plague.

    "The Quarantine Office tries to show all ordinary diseases as plague," wrote Rear Admiral Salti, who was serving in Sevastopol at that time. Admiral Greig testified: "For 5 months people did not hear that they were sick and die of natural death, and whoever got sick in teams or at home was declared for the plague." All the sick were taken to the barracks at Pavlovsky Mysok, where they were kept in such conditions that they quickly died.

    In the poorest areas of the city, chlorine disinfection was used. That is, the townspeople were also baited. At the same time, the "disinfectants" received 2,5 rubles a day - 75 rubles a month, subject to daily work. Quarantine commissioners - 5 rubles each, the head physician and quarantine inspector - 10 rubles a day. The initial salary of an ordinary military doctor at that time was 171 rubles a year.

    To increase the incidence of diseases, doctors arranged sea baths in cold water for residents.

    As a result, in June 1830, the inhabitants of the poorest districts of the city could not stand it and rebelled, the garrison sided with the rebels. The crowd tore the governor, his officials and doctors to pieces. The uprising was quickly suppressed, but the "epidemic" in Sevastopol, by an amazing coincidence, immediately stopped.
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2021/11/08/
    Time passes, but the power, as it was, has remained the same.
    1. Coward
      Coward 20 November 2021 08: 02
      .
      Do you want to say that there was no plague? Or maybe just because of the introduced quarantine, the epidemic did not break out in Sevastopol? But the townsfolk always know everything better than anyone else.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 20 November 2021 09: 33
      +6
      "So there was no earthquake. There was no earthquake, but there are victims." smile
  14. nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 20 November 2021 07: 48
    +7
    When officials say to us after the next increase in prices for services, they say in the West, too, so what does this mean? That we do not have our own policy. In a country surrounded by biological laboratories, it is somehow indecent to keep healthcare and scientific institutions at this level. It is all the more indecent to cut costs. The country was visited by both bird flu and swine. But it’s not only about blind copying and the implementation of WHO decrees, but also doing something ourselves. In some countries, this is what they do.
  15. Esaul
    Esaul 20 November 2021 09: 11
    +7
    The vaccine and the QR code are only for the plebs, so that they live and reproduce less.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2021 12: 14
      .
      Evidence, preferably supported by real facts and links, will you give your words? Snotty stories about the fact that all the vaccinated in your district have died out suddenly, it’s not necessary, this is from the category of OBS. I myself do not yet know a single vaccinated person who would have died, a couple (family) had been ill, the wife was in a mild form, and the husband just sat at home, extinguished. Moreover, I note, vaccinated, not for the first time, in our team, where 1000 people work, 99 percent. hi
      1. aglet
        aglet 21 November 2021 08: 21
        +1
        "Evidence, preferably supported by real facts and links, will you give your words?"
        just what is heard:
        Menshov-vaccinated
        Garkalin-grafted
        then look for yourself if you are interested. And these are only famous people, but how many ordinary people about whom only relatives know?
      2. Esaul
        Esaul 24 November 2021 09: 22
        -2
        After vaccination, they not only get sick, but even die without getting sick. Type in Yandex "died after being vaccinated against coronavirus", there are hundreds of news.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 24 November 2021 14: 12
          -1
          Once again, I explain that there were no such people in our team. And what they write in all sorts of social networks, but you never know who and what they write, no one bears responsibility for their words now. There is no guarantee that the citizens of Russia write in general, or what kind of thread are blokers For the sake of hype, or just sectarians, illiterate and other suggestible, so believe it or not, don't believe the rumors at the OBS level. Remember, there was such a clown from the Square who was promoting in the fire in Kemerovo? How many are there? Who are you? Online anonymous, like me. I prefer to believe only my eyes, only my close people, and not scribblers and other "gentlemen". You may not believe me. Your right. hiEveryone has their own opinion, but, as it turns out, anti-vaccines are really aggressive, and in life they are "with a twist"laughing
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 20 November 2021 09: 23
    +5
    In Germany, without a vaccination or test, you cannot use any public transport since yesterday. Popadalovo for anti-virus workers who do not work at home. It is now forbidden to go to any work without Kurokoda or a test. It's good that my wife and I managed to inject ourselves at the Vac-Center in September with BioNTech good
    How many anti-virus minus there are wassat
    1. Coward
      Coward 20 November 2021 11: 09
      -7
      So in totalitarian Germany this is normal, but in democratic Russia you cannot do this with citizens. Or vice versa? I'm even confused.
    2. huntsman650
      huntsman650 20 November 2021 20: 00
      +1
      I thought fascism won)
  17. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 20 November 2021 09: 36
    +6
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    I don't give a damn, I'll die at home.

    This is what they want. wink This is one of the options for "optimization" of spending on the population, so that deductions are made regularly, and the "patient" voluntarily refuses medical "services."
    Do you remember the masterpiece: ".... it is necessary to quietly drive away from paternalism ..."? This is it. laughing
    So maybe all the same with a "black sheep" at least a tuft of wool?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 November 2021 15: 15
      +5
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      This is what they want.

      Will not wait, infection. It is interesting that in the USSR I was in the hospital twice, in the nursery and in the adult, and in the modern Russian Federation I only lie down at home, although I live in it twice as much as in the USSR. And the ambulance has to wait four times longer. They are reoptimized, bad people, and they yell here how much the poor state spends a lot on the sick.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 20 November 2021 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        They are re-optimized, bad people, and they yell here how much the poor state spends a lot on the sick.

        laughing laughing laughing good
  18. steelmaker
    steelmaker 20 November 2021 09: 42
    +16
    Well done Roman! Mediocrities rule here! And mediocrities do not solve problems, they create them!
    1. Coward
      Coward 20 November 2021 10: 44
      -6
      What a pity that those who know how to run the state are already working. And they don't want to change their place of work.
      1. steelmaker
        steelmaker 20 November 2021 14: 29
        +6
        And those who run the state in our country, did they generally work at least a day? Or did they serve in the army, or their children? Do you work or trade yourself?
  19. Million
    Million 20 November 2021 10: 06
    +15
    Gunzburg ordered to inject everyone: with or without antibodies, it doesn't matter! Children and pregnant women, too.
    And it doesn't matter that we cannot breed the Colorado potato beetle for 200 years, but the vaccine was concocted in 2 months.
    IMHO, Guys earn money, antibodies are not a hindrance to them.
  20. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 20 November 2021 10: 11
    +6
    Well, we can congratulate Roman with a high level of antibodies, although it is doubtful that with a mild course, the author received 1300 BAU / ml to S protein after several months of illness, maybe he got vaccinated and forgot, but oh well, let's believe Roman. Now let's look at the author's delusions.

    1. "It turns out, while my lady was struggling with the virus, which gave her several unpleasant days, those bacilli that I cultivated and nurtured inside myself, pouring a potion of my own production (yes, we are driving, there is such a thing), they simply devoured the Covid tribe and did not even burp even once. Truly, there is a proverb on the topic of what does not stick to what ... "

    Alcohol does not help, this is a myth; moreover, alcohol suppresses the immune system.

    2. "In general, now, until the level of antibodies drops to 150 BAU / ml, I can be calm: I am too tough for Covid. It will fall from 1324 to 150 for now ... But I am not entitled to the code either. sense of the word. Heyzhe I have that ... healthy and radiant. "

    And here is what the doctors write to us.

    At the same time, it is not worth focusing on the presence of antibodies in the matter of registering for vaccination, infectious disease doctor, candidate of medical sciences Yekaterina Stepanova told TASS.

    “Preliminary studies have shown that different strains require different levels of protection. For example, a South African strain requires a level of more than 1000 BAU / ml. It is assumed that for a delta strain, this level will be even higher - 1,5 thousand BAU / ml ", - she said.

    3. Too lazy to look, but this is about "you can not shoot with antibodies" from the same article

    “According to Stepanova, the widespread myth about a“ dangerous ”antibody titer, in which one cannot be vaccinated, has no scientific basis.” Those who are currently sick with covid are treated using donor plasma, increasing their level of so that they recover faster. That is, this theory does not find confirmation. As well as the theory of antibody-dependent intensification of infection, according to which, due to combination with antibodies, the virus gains a new entrance into the cell. <...> Again, plasma treatment refutes the fact that it is currently possible, "- concluded the infectious disease specialist."

    PS All health. And I advise Roman to apply to the polyclinic with a certificate and the commission will consider its results in order to obtain the "coveted" code, if he does not have one yet.
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    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 November 2021 11: 50
      +7
      Quote: CruorVult
      Alcohol does not help, this is a myth; moreover, alcohol suppresses the immune system.

      Alcohol thins the blood, didn't you know? With Covid, it is thrombosis that causes death. As the doctors say.
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 20 November 2021 12: 09
        +6
        Ага.
        "- Indeed, alcohol in small or moderate amounts thins the blood, reduces the risk of blood clots. But the main thing is moderation, and this is a very fine line, so doctors do not recommend drinking alco