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South Stream: Stumbling Block - Bulgaria

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The South Stream project is a key part of the strategy to diversify gas supply routes to EU countries. The new route should directly connect hydrocarbon suppliers with their customers.

On data of the project specialized site, now experts agree that in the medium and long term demand for gas in the EU will increase. Europe, whose resources will inevitably shrink, will eventually require a significant increase in natural gas imports. According to the forecast, the EU's need for additional gas imports by the year 2020 may reach about 80 billion cubic meters. m, and by the year 2030 - exceed 140 billion cubic meters. m

The main declared goal of "South Stream" is just to meet the additional European demand for natural gas. In fact, the implementation of this project takes into account not so much the current interests of suppliers and consumers, as well as tomorrow's. Prepare a sleigh in the summer, and a cart - in the winter!

As for the gas pipeline route, at the pre-investment stage of the project Several options are being considered.. The route includes the onshore parts of the gas pipeline passing through the territories of a number of European countries, and the offshore gas pipelines through the Black and Adriatic Seas (in case of choosing the option of gas supplies to the southern part of Italy).

To provide South Stream with a sufficient amount of natural gas, it is planned to expand the existing and construction of new gas transmission capacities in Russia. A new gas pipeline system with a length of approximately 2,5 thousand km must pass from the Pochinki compressor station to the Black Sea coast. The gas pipeline will cover eight regions: Voronezh, Volgograd, Rostov, Nizhny Novgorod, Penza and Saratov, Mordovia and Krasnodar Territory. Design and survey work has been going on since 2010.

The sea section of the South Stream, about 900 km in length, will run along the bottom of the Black Sea - from the Russkaya compressor station to the coast of Bulgaria. There are several options for the South Stream route along the seabed, but so far the route passing through the exclusive economic zones of Russia, Turkey and Bulgaria is being worked out as the main one.

However, as the Russian proverb says, it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines and walk on them.

Atomstroyproekt has a serious problem with Bulgaria, more precisely, with its National Electric Company. It would seem, what does the Bulgarian NEC and the Russian Atomstroyproekt have to do with the South Stream? But - have.

Atomstroyexport decided that the National Electricity Company of Bulgaria owed her about 1 billion euros, since the Bulgarian side had abandoned the project to build Belene NPP, panicking over the “post-Fukushima syndrome”. Now the case is being considered in the International Court of Arbitration at the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris. Previously, it was about 58 million euros penalty. “The increase in claims is due to the fact that the project has been prematurely terminated by the Bulgarian government, the agreement expired on 29 in November 2006, and the NEC EAD continues to refuse to reimburse Atomstroyexport for costs and losses,” they say in the Russian company.

Previously, despite the abandonment of the construction of nuclear power plants and the friction over 58 million euros that arose because of this, the South Stream agreements seemed to be moving forward quite well: 29 August 2012, the Russian side achieved positive developments in the negotiations on the gas project (between Gazprom and the Bulgarian government signed the relevant documents). However, not everything was simple here: Bulgaria bargained 11-percent from Gazprom discount on the gas.

When it came to 1 billion euros and the International Court of Arbitration - because of the rejection of Belene NPP - Bulgaria showed claws. Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov openly declared that Russia may have problems in implementing the South Stream project, and in addition promised to arrange a “unhappy welcome” to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to the Prime Minister, his country fulfills all obligations under the South Stream. As for the nuclear power plant, then by it, as noticed the head of government, “we continue negotiations ...” And since “we continue, then“ we were extremely and unpleasantly surprised by this (Russian) demand. ” Borisov said that in connection with the lawsuit, Bulgaria intends to defend itself in court, despite its “century-long friendship” with Russia.

And yet, Mr. Borisov called Russia’s “treacherous” claim for compensation for the abolition of the construction of nuclear power plants and сказал: “I sincerely hope that President Putin does not know about this. If he knows, he will not like our November 9 meeting in Bulgaria. ”

It is interesting that in the schedule of foreign visits of the President of Russia there is no visit to Bulgaria. About it the other day said Press Secretary of the Head of State Dmitry Peskov. V. Putin is not going to fly to Bulgaria, however, as Comrade Peskov clarified, despite the absence of plans to visit Bulgaria, contacts with Sofia will continue through diplomatic channels.

Where did Mr. Borisov get the information about the upcoming visit of Putin to Bulgaria? Most likely, from the media, which could suggest that the Russian president will give up everything and immediately go to settle the atomic-gas conflicts. As it turned out, no, do not quit.

It should be noted here that the Russian-Bulgarian agreement on the construction of Belene NPP was signed the parties in 2006, and two years later, in 2008, Bulgaria concluded an intergovernmental agreement on South Stream with Russia. In 2009, an agreement on cooperation between Gazprom and the state-owned Bulgarian Energy Holding was signed. In the same 2009-m in Bulgaria, the government changed. The newly elected cabinet headed by Mr Borisov decided to revise the existing energy agreements with Russia. It was Borisov who said that Bulgaria would not build Belene NPP, and also, according to media reports, would also come out of South Stream.

As it was written at the beginning of the article, the route of the South Stream should, according to the main variant, pass along the bottom of the Black Sea, and then through the territory of Bulgaria. Alternatives to the Bulgarian route are less attractive ways to transport gas through Turkey and Greece, or through Romania. The construction of the gas pipeline is scheduled to begin in December 2012, while Bulgaria plays cat and mouse with Russia.

It seems that the newest Sofia policy is based not only and not so much on the conflict over “Belene”: after all, you have to pay a penalty, and still the billion euro will not award arbitration. There is one more important factor due to which Bulgaria can abandon the “South Stream”.

In March, 2012 was discovered on the sea borders of Romania and Bulgaria, an oil and gas field was discovered on the Khan Asparuh shelf area (15 thousand square meters). The offshore oil and gas shelf begins near the port of Burgas and extends to the sea border with Romania. Thanks to these stocks, like сказал Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, Bulgaria will be fully supplied with gas until 2030.

True, the appearance of Sofia’s large gas prospects brought geopolitical surprises. In the government of fraternal Romania, for example, it was decided that the shelf should be disputed by Bulgaria. Especially since Romania has a positive experience of similar (rather long, by the way) disqualification: for example, Ukraine has 2004-2009. through the International Court of Justice of the United Nations, the southern part of the Snake Island shelf was seized.

However, in Bulgaria they believe that the two countries will somehow share the common resources. In Sofia count them.that the dispute is not in the gas wealth itself, but in the fact that the proposed route for the construction of the South Stream just goes through the disputed area. Romania is an investor in the competitive project “Nabucco West”, and she probably expects that, thanks to the court, she will block the Russian project for five years.

Thus, the route of the South Stream depends on whether Bulgaria and Romania agree. Start of construction is scheduled for December 2012, but in which direction to build, it is still not clear.

Romania is interested in pushing the negotiation process with Bulgaria, creating a serious obstacle to the “South Stream” on the Bulgarian route. Bulgaria also wants to divide up resources as soon as possible and start offshore gas production. As in the case of long negotiations or an international court, and in the case of a quick divide, Gazprom will have to change the route. Bulgaria can make concessions only if the shelf is very quickly recognized as completely Romanian - then Russian gas at a discount to Sofia would be very useful. But such issues are not quickly resolved - say, by December 2012, -. This is well illustrated by the practice of litigation between Romania and Ukraine.

Now - to positive news. According to the project, with the “Yuzhny” branch, which is supposed to start in Bulgaria and continue in Serbia, in order then to pass through Hungary to the Austrian gas distribution station in Baumgarten, there were no problems. Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic invited Vladimir Putin to the ceremony of starting the construction of the Serbian section of the South Stream in December.

“We are awaiting the start of work on the construction of South Stream, which will pass through Serbia. This may be at the beginning of December, and since some of my colleagues lacked enough courage, they asked me to invite you to take part in the ceremony to start building the Serbian section of the South Stream, - сказал Serbian president, addressing Putin on September 11 in Sochi.

Thus, Serbia is preparing to fully fulfill its obligations on South Stream.

As for the lover of suing off the oil and gas shelves of Romania, she, like an old woman from a fairy tale, can be at the bottom of the trough: first, it is not known what the court will decide; secondly, it is absurd to consider the fantastic Nabucco project a competitive “South Stream”: even the question is not solved by whose gas to fill the pipes. According to the New York Times, Nabucco can count only for gas supplies from Azerbaijan, and this is no more than 12% of the huge volumes envisaged for the project (which is considered more political than economic: see more on "Military Review"). But at present, real supplies from Russia - of course, without forecasts for South Stream - cover almost a third of the gas demand of the European Union.

The bottom line is: Bulgaria can count on shelf gas - but only after settling the issue of territories with Romania, inspired by recent successes with the International Court of Justice in a dispute with Ukraine. But neither Romania nor the court will not hurry. In the meantime, the court case, Sofia may miss a good chance to get gas at a discount in 11%. How would Prime Minister Borisov, who was at the same time confronting the acute question of a forfeit on nuclear power plants, not be left at the back of the trough with Romania?

Observed Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 18 September 2012 08: 17
    +12
    Gimmicks and wagging of the backside of two limitrophic prostitutes (Bulgaria and Romania) in anticipation of the fatherly (USA) spanking on the backside and a piece of refined.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 18 September 2012 09: 07
      +12
      We will leave dependence on Ukraine, pay a lot of money and become dependent on Bulgaria. Those little brothers, on occasion, as always, will throw Russia. It’s better to agree with your brothers from Ukraine on a good one, now it’s also hard for them, they are proposing quite profitable proposals for their gas transportation system.
      1. Redpartyzan
        Redpartyzan 18 September 2012 09: 23
        +1
        Hmm, the brother Slavs bothered. I think the situation will in any case be resolved in our favor. Nabuko myth and the southern stream is needed by many countries. It is also beneficial for Russia and therefore there will be sticks in the wheels, wait amers with their shale will stick up.
        1. spender
          spender 18 September 2012 09: 40
          +13
          I would like to remind you how the pshek flirted in their time "putting a spoke in the wheels" of the construction of the joint venture and that now - expensive gas and not receiving money for transit ... wink Bulgaria succumbed to the persuasion of the Amers, it was cared for there very much, do not forget that the refusal to build nuclear power plants was in the hands of Amer companies, which invested in the energy business in Bulgaria, as a result of the refusal to build nuclear power plants, Bulgarians (people and industry) get expensive energy, amers arrived...
          By the way, I would not be in a hurry to blame the Bulgarians (the whole people), there were massive rallies of protest against the termination of the construction of the nuclear power plant, as always, the "bought handful at the top" rules everyone, and you should not judge one "warrior", a ghoul is not a nationality laughing
          1. Goga
            Goga 18 September 2012 10: 27
            +8
            spender - Colleague, to what you said, I can add - there is also Qatar in the shadows looming with its liquefied gas - and it is a competitor more seriously than the mythical Nabucco. True, knowing how our leadership takes on such things, we can confidently say - with or without the Bulgarians, with or without Romanians, this pipe will be built (the Turks and Greeks certainly will not refuse such a gift) and then all these "brothers" will be in the position of the Poles, left with a "sea view" through which gas flows past them to Europe ... hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 33
              +7
              Quote: Gogh
              I can add to you - here Qatar looms in the shade with its liquefied gas

              Igor, there will not be much left from Qatar after hitting Iran, and gas and oil wells will be extinguished for years and the whole world. Qatar will not affect in the near future, the region is sitting on a powder keg and the price in 600 bucks will seem very small to them and winter is on the way, do not want to do not buy, drown with firewood laughing
              1. Goga
                Goga 18 September 2012 10: 50
                +3
                Alexander Romanov - Sasha, I also think that these Qatari crooks will play out, burn, in the literal sense of the word, in the same massacre provoked by them. But while they have reserves, and production, and gas liquefaction technologies are the most advanced - from amers. I do not exclude that it is their dollar that is spoken through the lips of the Bulgarian prime minister when he skews about UP.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Gogh
                  But while they have reserves, and production, and gas liquefaction technologies are the most advanced - from amers.

                  Igor, but actually there everything is from amers, from 91 of the year after Biri in the desert, even the president or who he is in Qatar and that protege of Washington.
                  Quote: Gogh
                  that it’s their dollar that they say through the mouth of the Bulgarian prime minister when he skews about UP.

                  Perhaps so, but rather they are simply trying to solve their financial problems at the expense of others. Welcome to the EU negative
                  1. Goga
                    Goga 18 September 2012 11: 13
                    0
                    Alexander Romanov - Sasha - quote - "... we are trying to solve their financial problems at someone else's expense" - that's just the fin. the country's problems are solved with the help of the UP - some regular payments for transit would amount to a decent amount, plus a decrease in gas prices, but no ... here the "financial" problems of their own premier are rather solved, that's why I think that here it was not without Qatari dollars. By the way, during the explosion of an oil refinery in Venezuela, it also smelled quite noticeably of Qatari dollars ... what
            2. Light source
              Light source 18 September 2012 20: 44
              0
              Quote: Gogh
              Turks and Greeks certainly will not refuse such a gift


              From what? If Syria falls, they will refuse. That’s why they are pulling time so as not to invest in something that is not needed. Hopefully).
          2. REPA1963
            REPA1963 18 September 2012 23: 40
            0
            Well, they have a bunch of duck steers and we also have the same, on the border of Vladimir and Gorky reg. they decided to build nuclear power plants on karst rocks people rally letters writes scientists say there are dangerous failures and will still be, but Volodya said that they will build anyway and the opinion of people of future Chernobyl people doesn’t bother anyone, or will you say the amers fuss? Are you talking about Bulgaria ...
    2. spender
      spender 18 September 2012 10: 04
      +7
      I did not manage to insert it into the previous post, and therefore I write in this hi
      The Bulgarians rejoiced at lower gas prices and gave permission for the construction of a gas pipeline in March 2012, then it looked like this
      “We agreed to receive a discount in the price of gas, which, according to our preliminary estimates, will amount to just over 11% - 11,1%,” Dobrev told a BNR (Bulgarian National Radio) correspondent in Moscow after meeting with Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller.

      “We agreed that get this discount on April 1 for a period of 9 months ", - he said.

      The key issue in the negotiations was the acceleration of the South Stream project. to ensure the supply of Russian natural gas to Europe under the Black Sea. Bulgaria is almost completely dependent on Russian natural gas to meet its electricity needs and currently pays about $ 1000 (600 euros) per 450 cubic meters of gas..


      What we see now: 9 months are expiring and the "upper circles" of Bulgaria are beginning to blackmail. And I also want to ask the warrior who believes that Russia is "insidiously extorting" ... Russia has filed a lawsuit in the international court and if Bulgaria did not violate the Treaty, then she has nothing to fear, you happily fled to the EU, so live civilized , capitalist "wolf" laws of the liberal world laughing
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 September 2012 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: spender
        What we see now: 9 months are expiring and the "upper circles" of Bulgaria are beginning to blackmail. And I also want to ask the warrior who believes that Russia is "insidiously extorting" ... Russia has filed a lawsuit in the international court and if Bulgaria did not violate the Treaty, then she has nothing to fear, you happily fled to the EU, so live civilized , capitalist "wolf" laws of the liberal world

        They just rely on our gas, that's why they bargain!
        http://www.ng.ru/cis/2011-11-16/7_baku.html
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 18 September 2012 18: 34
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          They just rely on our gas, that's why they bargain!

          Hello dear! Based on the development of political events and the economic component, the question is not in hope (in my opinion), but in the statements of officials (a quote from your own link): "If you turn to geography, you can see that one of the closest to our gas the sources of the countries are Bulgaria. ... ", - said Ilham Aliyev (sorry that I do not quote in full, but further does not make sense).
          Based on the above and my poor knowledge of geography, can you tell me the shortest path (in metric units) from the closest points of contact between the borders of Bulgaria and Azerbaijan?
          Moreover - mathematical calculus is known in comparison. Therefore, the last paragraph from the link you indicated looks rather strange in relation to the supplied and planned quantities of natural gas cubes from Russia to the EU countries.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 September 2012 20: 20
            +1
            Quote: Kurkul
            Hello dear!

            Sorry, I do not understand ??
            I gave a link at random, there is a fig, dial Azerbaijan-Bulgaria gas !!
            with respect!
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 18 September 2012 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Sorry, I do not understand?

              Dear Alibek, I ask you not to misunderstand me, but I just asked to comment on the statement of Mr. Ilham Aliyev, which you quoted from the link you mentioned (since this gentleman is an official and authorized person of the state), because You are a resident of Azerbaijan.
              If you find my question offensive to you, I apologize.
              Sincerely yours!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 19 September 2012 06: 58
                +1
                Quote: Kurkul
                If you find my question offensive to you, I apologize

                Well what are you !!
                Even this was not in my thoughts, I just didn’t understand the question, because I know about the contract for gas supplies from the media, I didn’t even read the link completely !! As far as I know, we are talking about liquefied gas that will be delivered via Batumi !!
                I will try to clarify!
                As for the President’s statement about geographical proximity, I don’t think that there was a comparison with Russia!
                You know, and I don’t think it matters how close or far !!
                There is probably more politics than economics!
                Yours!
                1. Curculum
                  Curculum 19 September 2012 09: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  There is probably more politics than economics!

                  +, thanks for the detailed answer!
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 September 2012 20: 28
        0
        There is still such a moment - if a person from the government is working in direct economic harm to his country, therefore he had a good fuck or is going to have one in his own pocket!
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 18 September 2012 14: 13
      0
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Gimmicks and wagging backside of two limitrophic prostitutes (Bulgaria and Romania)

      It’s sad, however, and it went wrong, bros, bros - and swear. And not for the first time, it’s enough to recall the world wars on whose side Bulgaria fought ...
      And so - "Everything is calm on Shipka". Without nuclear power plant and gas ...
      1. mnn_12
        mnn_12 20 September 2012 00: 59
        0
        And on whose side did Bulgaria fight in world wars ...? Especially in the second world?
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 September 2012 08: 47
    0
    these are the "brothers". God forgive me. What scoundrels are in power in Europe
  3. vorobey
    vorobey 18 September 2012 08: 49
    +6
    Play the deprived.
    1. Armata
      Armata 18 September 2012 08: 55
      +6
      Quote: vorobey
      Play the deprived.
      Add Sanya. Winter is coming, and this is a good ally for us.
      1. spender
        spender 18 September 2012 10: 27
        +6
        Quote: Steam Train
        Winter is coming, and this is a good ally for us.

        Well, yes, "General Zima" and before the Russians helped the enemy to break the ridge, and now he began to expand his possessions to Europe (remember the last extreme frosts), apparently, Russian Gazprom also wants to support wassat
        All these nonsense to reduce gas consumption in Europe are already tired ... They refuse from Aes, what will they replace? request Coal is not environmentally friendly, wind turbines are expensive and inefficient, and what is left? That's the same, B. Vostok is blazing under this case, and in Qatar it would not be a bad thing to "buy" a number of sabotage (their own methods), and the explosion of one gas tanker would be enough for the world community to think about what it would be like when in your port " atomic bomb "(in terms of destruction) is unloaded wink
        1. Armata
          Armata 18 September 2012 10: 37
          +6
          Quote: spender
          (recall the last extreme frosts
          Gazprom dreams come true. General sponsor of frosts in Europe Gazprom OJSC. laughing
          1. REPA1963
            REPA1963 18 September 2012 23: 47
            0
            What is Gazprom worried about? Over the past month, the price of 2 times has risen a little, they will still raise it on the domestic market, but what to do, we will pay, Vova needs to raise the GDP, eat less, and what not to do to Miller to cut his salary? It will not be humane .. .....
      2. Goga
        Goga 18 September 2012 10: 36
        +3
        Steam locomotive - Greetings, Eugene, it's hard to disagree with you here, winter is in our wars with the "Europeans" (Napoleon, Hitler), and in the economy - really in allies.
        Interestingly, the government of Bulgaria in general, even in the near future, does not calculate the situation? or "after us even a flood"? an interesting approach for the leaders of a country, even one as worthless as Bulgaria.
        1. spender
          spender 18 September 2012 10: 40
          +6
          Quote: Gogh
          Interestingly, the government of Bulgaria in general, even in the near future, does not calculate the situation? or "after us even a flood"?

          The State Department will pay for a "comfortable old age" in a quiet "oasis" of some European country wink
          Quote: Gogh
          even as worthless as Bulgaria.

          This is you in vain, a good, beautiful country, with a rich history and culture ... True, after joining the EU with a destroyed economy and a neutered agro-complex ...
          You shouldn’t be so rude, IMHO hi
          1. Goga
            Goga 18 September 2012 11: 02
            +3
            spender - A colleague, I admit, was somewhat rude, but I have reasons for this. As you wrote, "with a rich history ...", that's just their history, to some extent, and allows you to speak about Bulgaria in this way. How did the Bulgarians behave during the famous Russian-Turkish war? Look at the materials - meanness and massive betrayal, during the First World War - Bulgaria is an ally of Germany, one massacre of Orthodox Serbs is worth something. There is nothing to say about the Second World War - again an ally of Germany and not just Germany, but Hitler (a cardboard ally, of course, but for one thing with Hitler ...) - "Glorious" story, what can I say ... No.
            1. mnn_12
              mnn_12 20 September 2012 01: 15
              +1
              Dear Goga,
              Learn and read more history before writing about the role of Bulgaria in the first and especially in the second world war. It’s impossible for me to imagine how people in Russia can live who do not know the history of the Second World War or who quite consciously and purposefully present the true history of this war.
              You are outraged (quite rightly ...) when they say that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed by the USSR and not the USA, when Western historians are trying to put the Battle of Kursk and Stalingrad with Al Alamein on the same level, for example. At the same time, you will not be shy about repeating such an outrageous lie ... Read and learn more. Lies will not become truth if it is a thousand times and will repeat it ...
  4. Karish
    Karish 18 September 2012 09: 06
    +1
    It is necessary to agree, there is no other way. In light of the discovery of large deposits in Israel and Cyprus, the entire South Stream may be redundant.
    1. Leisure
      Leisure 18 September 2012 09: 46
      +2
      Soon, if the Yu stream would become superfluous. And then you’re used to sitting at home and doing nothing, you need to climb off the gas needle.
      1. spender
        spender 18 September 2012 09: 51
        +5
        Quote: Lazer
        .And then you’re used to sitting at home and doing nothing, you need to climb off the gas needle.

        It is necessary to firmly determine and nationalize the extraction and sale of natural resources and then the money will not enrich the oligarchs, but will work for Russian industry, but who will do it? recourse
        1. Leisure
          Leisure 18 September 2012 10: 10
          +1
          I agree with you.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 49
          +2
          Quote: spender

          It is necessary to firmly determine and nationalize the extraction and sale of natural resources and then the money will not enrich the oligarchs,

          Alexei, it’s only when a politician arrives or there will be an economic catastrophe in the USA that will all be immediately nationalized. It will not work out differently, and not only here, but also in Europe.
          1. spender
            spender 18 September 2012 11: 00
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            that's only when the politician comes or there will be economic disaster in the USA

            Sanya, these ear-hooks themselves will be consumed by the light. How do you like this news? laughing

            Media: Radioactive rod lost in American desert

            18 September 2012, 10: 35

            Halliburton Lost 18 Centimeter Radioactive Rod in Texas Desert a week agowrites The Guardian on Tuesday.

            The National Guard was brought in to help in the search.. The device, which is used to detect oil reserves and inside which is located americium-241, disappeared when it was transported between oil fields. On its body is written: “Danger! Radiation! Do not touch. Upon detection, inform the authorities, ”reports the BBC.

            US authorities warned that radioactive materials in the rod could cause irreparable damage to the health of people near it. But serious consequences can happen only if a person keeps the rod for several hours. According to the publication, there are concerns that a radioactive substance may fall into the hands of terrorists.

            The entire 210 km route along which the truck traveled was thoroughly studied three times using radiation dosimeters. Local police and the national guard joined the search.

            The newspaper writes that forgot to close the rod before transportation.

            Halliburton promised to reward the one who will find the loss, but warned that the device no need to get closer than eight meters.
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 18 September 2012 10: 48
        +4
        Maybe someone sits on a gas needle, but definitely not me. I have a small production and monopolists constantly sand their tariffs, profit per unit of output is falling. We’ll soon find ourselves on a credit needle, we don’t have enough funds for development.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 18 September 2012 10: 56
          +1
          You are absolutely right.
  5. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 09: 07
    +3
    although thanks to the Serbs, and the Bulgarians ... arrogance, of course, is the second happiness, but it’s also dangerous to take a lot on yourself ...
    1. vylvyn
      vylvyn 18 September 2012 09: 26
      +1
      And we still saved these scum from the Turks, Russian soldiers shed their blood. So much for the brothers forever.
  6. romanru4
    romanru4 18 September 2012 09: 12
    -4
    But our brothers are ideally black-and-white? What they will not express how about this? Ahhh ... They have completely different thoughts now - they are part of the USA !!! Judah no longer knows who to sell !!! Who in the ass to lick.
    "Rashka - get out! We are America!" Maidan slogans - to life! There is no one more venal a!
    1. Morgan stanley
      Morgan stanley 18 September 2012 23: 56
      -1
      Quote: romanru4
      But our brothers are ideally black-and-white?

      Well, you are so. We are not that you, you will stick your nose in all matters, regardless of whether it concerns you or not.
      Quote: romanru4
      What they will not express how about this?

      Everything goes according to plan.
      Quote: romanru4
      There is no one more corrupt than that!

      Than you.
    2. mnn_12
      mnn_12 20 September 2012 01: 24
      +1
      Novel,
      I suggest you do not touch the topic of betrayal - it is languid and long ...
      Just for thought - do you know where your wonderful perestroika Mikhail Sergeyevich lives now? Who is emu dengi paying for a good job ...?
  7. DIMS
    DIMS 18 September 2012 09: 15
    +6
    I don’t quite understand Gazprom’s policy. What is he tearing into these Europe. There is a poorly developed domestic market where prices are equally profitable with European ones.
    1. lelyk72
      lelyk72 18 September 2012 10: 34
      +1
      in the domestic market, they will not master the volumes that can master on the external ....
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 18 September 2012 10: 55
        0
        They are not trying.
    2. Goga
      Goga 18 September 2012 10: 43
      0
      DIMS - A colleague, Gazprom and more or less normally work in the domestic market - the volumes are not the same. Another question is why for so long they cannot agree with China? This would be a real alternative to dependence on Europe. And then in the long run - Europe’s gas needs will increase ... they will increase, only except Germany, will any of the Europeans have anything to pay for this gas? For any need to tie with China.
      1. spender
        spender 18 September 2012 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: Gogh
        For any need to tie with China.

        China is an unreliable partner, the oil pipeline was built and now a continuous series of scandals and "warm up" Russia is not weak, almost to the detriment of their own supplies go ... China is far from civilized trade. IMHO hi
      2. DIMS
        DIMS 18 September 2012 10: 54
        0
        More or less normal, it is when at least large villages are all gasified, and boiler houses do not operate on coal
      3. REPA1963
        REPA1963 18 September 2012 23: 51
        0
        Because China is not Bulgaria you can’t put pressure on them, they themselves will put pressure on anyone .... Do you have the latest news on the disputed islands?
  8. volcano
    volcano 18 September 2012 09: 27
    +2
    I do not like the Bulgarians ..... they somehow begin to look like Poland, Georgia, the Baltic states ..... they throw us much in vain ..... the brothers are bad ...
    I remember a program about their "Arsenal" .... the journalist says, you are producing AK .. how so ???
    But they are not .. not AK .... (the handle was attached and the butt was redone) kapets goons.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 18 September 2012 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: volkan
      I do not like the Bulgarians


      More spices and salt.


      Quote: volkan
      they somehow begin to resemble Poland-Georgia-Baltic


      Well, the meat of a wild boar (not castrated) also does. Pickle longer.

      Quote: volkan
      -You do AK ... how so ???
      But they are not .. not AK .... (the handle was attached and the butt was redone)


      spoiled such a thing.
      1. volcano
        volcano 18 September 2012 10: 50
        +1
        Greetings vorobey

        I have the feeling that you are either hunting or hunting.

        Boars .... spices and salt laughing


        Such as they should be eaten after a long "stewing" laughing
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 18 September 2012 11: 02
          +2
          Quote: volkan
          Such as they should be eaten after a long "stewing


          That is what GAZPROM first pickles for a long time, then stews, and then it starts to take off grandmas. True, plowing in a dish does not completely get rid of.

          I’m not a volcano hunter, I just like to cook meat.
          1. volcano
            volcano 18 September 2012 11: 26
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            I just love to cook meat.


            Well, a real man is simply obliged to be able to. good
            1. volcano
              volcano 18 September 2012 14: 15
              0
              And why the ghoul runs minus ..
              Do you even seem nice man ..

              This is not the first time I have seen that someone is a koment, who is not a koment at all, as well as a conversation with colleagues running and minus.

              Who went on the warpath here ???

              Or weakly so ???
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 18 September 2012 15: 01
                +1
                maybe it's time to jointly think about how to lime the morons minusers on the site?
                1. volcano
                  volcano 18 September 2012 16: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  maybe it's time to jointly think about how to lime the morons minusers on the site?


                  Well this is the site opposition does not sleep laughing
                  It will be boring without them
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 18 September 2012 17: 16
                    +1
                    and it’s disgusting with them to write something about democracy and tolerance, as if I’ve been to a geyclub
                    1. Light source
                      Light source 18 September 2012 20: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      how they’ll write something about democracy and tolerance, as if they had visited a geyclub


                      I could not understand you, I was never there;)
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 18 September 2012 21: 22
                        +1
                        I, too, but communicating with liberals gives an idea about this and lately I have begun to incline to the idea that it’s better to be gay than liberal liberals, at least you can cure them and only shoot them
    2. REPA1963
      REPA1963 18 September 2012 23: 53
      0
      And whoever doesn’t throw us, I can’t recall this recently, everyone strives to kick a weakened bear and hurt .............
  9. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 09: 28
    +2
    yes, it’s necessary to develop the domestic market unequivocally ... I just live in Perm, a large city, and even then if it’s not so far to go, the main gas is mute .... although the city is a millionth and there is active production of oil and gas ... paradox...
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 18 September 2012 23: 57
      0
      In the early 80s he was on a business trip at a military plant in Perm, he liked a good city, and also went to a cave in Kungur ......
  10. warrior
    warrior 18 September 2012 09: 38
    +2
    Gentlemen
    Everything went well for gas, until the Russian atomic scientists began to show off fictitious lawsuits in billions of shares.
    At the end of August, when signing the contract for 2013. With a 11% discount, the Russian-Bulgarian protocol on the highway and the incoming infrastructure of the South Stream in Bulgaria were signed. Then in September Atomeksportstroy raised its lawsuit by 1 billion shares. This provoked the reaction of the Bulgarian government. Apparently, atomicists and gas workers in the Russian Federation have poor coordination.
    Then there are changes in the EU gas market. Gazprom will investigate the European Commission and it will look less attractive as a partner. Moreover, Gazprom sales are falling. In 2011, they fell by 8% in the EU and by 32% for the former Soviet republics outside the EU. Gazprom’s profit fell 23% this year compared to 2011.
    If the share of Gazprom’s imports in the EU falls, then why should we (and you) invest in new import infrastructure.
    Long-term prospects are also not encouraging for South Stream. According to Sberbank 2016 will be a watershed in the gas sector. Then, American shale gas will be released to the EU market at prices below 150 shares per unit. Our BEX already has an agreement with the Greeks on the construction of a compressed gas terminal and pipe communication. First, gas from Qatar is expected there, then the United States or someone else. All this is funded by the European Commission.
    EU gas policy is clear. Reduce the share of an individual importer below 10% of the market, maintain competition and lower prices. Then, develop your conventional resources (Scotland, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania) and prepare a new, more environmentally friendly technology for shale oil and gas. So Gazprom has a way out - to lower prices and look for new markets and not get angry with its customers.
    And do not think that for old friendship we will buy gas from you at double or triple prices. As the saying goes "Friendship is friendship, lilac is with a bet." (Friendship is friendship and cheese costs money).
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 18 September 2012 09: 54
      +6
      Borislav, yes, we are only happy for you. Everything is expected, only winter is expected earlier.
    2. lelyk72
      lelyk72 18 September 2012 10: 38
      +5
      “Apparently the atomic and gas workers in the Russian Federation have poor coordination.” - normal coordination, one should not confuse warm with soft. There is an NPP Agreement, if Bulgaria terminated it, please pay a penalty. If you do not want to, be kind to the court. And what does South Stream have to do with it?
      1. REPA1963
        REPA1963 19 September 2012 00: 00
        0
        Forfeit 58mln. and energy companies want 1 billion ....... catch the difference ....
    3. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 18 September 2012 11: 30
      +2
      Good proverb ... my dear opponent ...
      ... AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE SUCH: - "HOW MANY WOLF DO NOT FEED, IT STILL LOOKS INTO THE FOREST ..."
      I think she is more out of place .....

      And somehow it should be like this: - "flies separately, cutlets separately"
      ROSATOM suffers billions of dollars in losses due to the refusal of the Bulgarian side, and naturally, civilized goes to court. What is the problem? And where is the gas?
      How correctly you noticed, by old friendship we will no longer feed the parasites who, in addition, will spit in the back at any time .....
      And we have oil shale ................... how many uuuuuuuuuuu!
    4. Don
      Don 18 September 2012 13: 19
      0
      Quote: warrior
      Everything went well for gas, until the Russian atomic scientists began to show off fictitious lawsuits in billions of shares.

      This is clear. But I can’t understand. And why should gas be pulled to an atom? Let the European Court sort it out with an atom, but it turns out that you put your own wheels in the wheels. They bargained for a discount, a contract was concluded, but you do not give progress to work.
      Quote: warrior
      Then there are changes in the EU gas market. Gazprom will investigate the European Commission and it will look less attractive as a partner. Moreover, Gazprom sales are falling. In 2011, they fell by 8% in the EU and by 32% for the former Soviet republics outside the EU. Gazprom’s profit fell 23% this year compared to 2011.

      Well, you must understand that all this is chatter. The facts speak for themselves. German corporations BASF and E.ON, Dutch Gasunie, French GDF Suez invest in Nord Stream. Do they just do it? They have nowhere to put money? All European experts say an increase in gas consumption. Therefore, the Russian-Italian-French-German South Stream gas pipeline project will also be implemented. All these proceedings of the European Commission are nonsense. Not about what kind of monopoly speech can not be. And they themselves understand this. This is a market economy. There is British, Norwegian, Algerian, Qatari gas, if you are not satisfied with Gazprom, buy from them. There is demand, and the one who gives the proposal has the right to dictate the price.
      Quote: warrior
      If the share of Gazprom’s imports in the EU falls, then why should we (and you) invest in new import infrastructure.

      Quote: warrior
      First, gas from Qatar is expected there, then the United States or someone else. All this is funded by the European Commission.

      I repeat once again. If Western European state and private corporations invest in this, then they see the point in this. I do not think they are stupider than the Bulgarians. Do you seriously believe that gas delivery from the USA and Qatar will be cheaper than from Russia? Look at the map. I strongly doubt it. And depending on the actions of Holland, France or Germany, they also doubt it.
      Quote: warrior
      Then develop your own conventional resources (Scotland, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania)

      Well this is ridiculous. Which ones? You are not a single state. If the UK or Cyprus develop additional wells, they will not supply Bulgaria, Romania, or Poland at any cheap prices. And the more it shares the profit with you. Norway and the UK have long been producing oil and gas in the North Sea, and for some reason they still haven’t supplied anything to Bulgaria or Greece.
      Quote: warrior
      In 2011, they fell by 8% in the EU and by 32% for the former Soviet republics outside the EU. Gazprom’s profit fell 23% this year compared to 2011.

      Dear, you cannot take profit for 2012 when it has not yet ended. Another 4 months, the cold of autumn and the beginning of winter have not yet begun.
      And about 23% you're wrong.
      1. warrior
        warrior 18 September 2012 15: 02
        0
        Gentlemen, if the discussion has gone into numbers, let's see this.
        Bulgaria pays the highest price for Russian gas in the EU - above 35 euros per megawatt hour. It is clear that Bulgarian business and the population do not like this. At these prices, the Qatari 20 euros per kilowatt hour is more profitable, even at the cost of building a terminal and interconnector from Greece. And every other offer at such prices is more profitable.
        The structure of Bulgarian gas is next -10% of gas production in Bulgaria, 90% of imports from Russia. The main consumer is industry and transport. Gas consumption for the population is 3% of the total volume. Toplification of large cities on gas / fuel oil installations. In the past gas crisis, fuel oil was connected. Not very cheap, but you can live, since we have winter from mid-December to late March / mid-April - four incomplete months. The hype in the media will, of course, be considerable, but you can’t really scare the population. We have about 420 million cubic meters of gas reserves with a yearly consumption of 3.9 billion cubic meters. Moreover, the storage is pumped mainly from its own production and is comparable to its own production to this day. Enough for the winter.
        From South Stream, the profit after paying the investment (after 5 or 7 or 10 years) is estimated at $ 200 million. in year. This money goes to the state budget. The state budget for the crisis of 2011. - 8 billion euros. In other words, the profit is not bad, but it is not structurally determining.
        To summarize. The Bulgarian country has nothing against the construction of the South Stream but also does not really hope for it. And of course, he considers it in the context of Russian-Bulgarian economic relations as a whole. The situation is such that the Bulgarian side can use the South Stream as a means of assistance, since the decrease for the Russian side with the failure to complete the project through the Bulgarian territory is much higher than the same decrease for the Bulgarian side.
    5. Curculum
      Curculum 18 September 2012 19: 15
      0
      Quote: warrior
      In 2011, they fell by 8% in the EU and by 32% for the former Soviet republics outside the EU.

      "In 2011, Gazprom's total supplies to non-CIS countries amounted to 150 billion cubic meters of natural gas. This is 11,4 billion cubic meters (8,2%) higher than the same figure in 2010 - 138,6 billion cubic meters. m. The leading buyers of Russian blue fuel today are Germany, Turkey and Italy.
      In 2011, gas supplies to the CIS and Baltic countries amounted to 71,1 billion cubic meters. m, an increase of 5% compared to 2010. The largest volumes of gas are supplied to Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. "- http://www.gazpromquestions.ru/?
      Quote: warrior
      Then, develop your conventional resources (Scotland, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania) and prepare a new, more environmentally friendly technology for shale oil and gas. So Gazprom has a way out - to lower prices and look for new markets and not get angry with its customers.

      Drills, pipes and soft slate to help.
      Quote: warrior
      And do not think that for old friendship we will buy gas from you at double or triple prices. As the saying goes "Friendship is friendship, lilac is with a bet." (Friendship is friendship and cheese costs money).

      The main thing is not the quantity or cost of cheese, but the mousetrap mechanism. One thing is good - they themselves decided who you are and what you are.
      1. Kars
        Kars 18 September 2012 19: 28
        0
        On 5 of September on 2012 of the year, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych gave the command to launch industrial gas from the Odessa gas field, which is being developed by Chernomorneftegaz using the high-tech self-lifting floating drilling rig Petr Godovanets.


        Read more at http://news.eizvestia.com/news_economy/full/viktor-yanukovich-zapustil-podachu-p
        romyshlennogo-gaza-s-odesskogo-mestorozhdeniya

        And Azarych talks about halving gas purchases.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 18 September 2012 19: 38
          0
          Quote: Kars
          And Azarych talks about halving gas purchases.

          "Production of natural gas in Ukraine in the first half of 2012 decreased compared to the same period in 2011 by 0,1% - up to 9,6 billion cubic meters, according to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine." - http://economics.unian.net/eng/detail/134065
          “It is still very early to talk about large-scale production of Ukrainian gas. This is hindered at least by the lack of transparency in the procedure for holding auctions for obtaining gas production permits, and at the most by the lack of economic and legal methods to stimulate geological exploration. gas will come true, but there is no confidence that Ukrainian gas will be more profitable than imported one. " - http://jurliga.ligazakon.ua/news/2009/6/15/13693.htm
          1. Kars
            Kars 18 September 2012 19: 41
            +1
            Well, actually, Azarych had a reduction in consumption,
            Quote: Kurkul
            / 2009 /

            Cool 2009 year))))

            and how is the antitrust investigation of the European Union?))
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 18 September 2012 20: 05
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Well, actually, Azarych had a reduction in consumption

              It was clearly indicated "to reduce purchases". Plus, there is a reduction in production. As a result, of course, we get "consumption reduction".
              Quote: Kars
              Cool 2009 year))))

              Based on the reduction in production and consumption in 2012, are the above issues not relevant?
              Quote: Kars
              and how is the antitrust investigation of the European Union?))

              No way. Show off. Shale gas-2. They themselves came up with a pricing formula, they themselves are trying to jump from it.
              1. Kars
                Kars 18 September 2012 20: 09
                +1
                Quote: Kurkul
                It was clearly stated "to reduce purchases"

                Well, yes - at Gazprom.a it is difficult to consume non-purchased gas.))))
                Quote: Kurkul
                Are the above issues not relevant?

                not of current interest
                Quote: Kars
                5 September 2012 years

                you understand something like 2012 and you have your first six months - and whole
                Quote: Kurkul
                on 0,1%

                Quote: Kurkul
                No way. Show off

                Well, well. Is it the GDP that the Ponte issued his decree? About not issuing)
                1. Curculum
                  Curculum 18 September 2012 21: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, yes - at Gazprom.a it is difficult to consume non-purchased gas.))))

                  Are there existing procurement opportunities?
                  Quote: Kars
                  not of current interest

                  is
                  Quote: Kars
                  you understand something like 2012 and you have your first six months - and whole

                  I understand that for some, economic growth is associated with increased consumption. Then you’ll do it yourself.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, well. Is it the GDP that the Ponte issued his decree? About not issuing)

                  so normal (in your opinion) do not respond to show-offs by show-offs - at once they beat on the hill. And what is wrong?
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 18 September 2012 21: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Kurkul
                    Are there existing procurement opportunities?

                    There are opportunities to reduce
                    Quote: Kurkul
                    is

                    Naturally, time is imperishable. 2009-2010-2011-2012
                    Quote: Kurkul
                    that for some, economic growth is associated with increased consumption. Then you’ll do it yourself

                    Actually, no, if before that the economy was not economical))) but for the Russian Federation, Ukraine was the largest consumer
                    Quote: Kurkul
                    so normal (in your opinion) do not respond to show-offs

                    But isn’t the decree? I already imagine how in Germany the tax inspector is a subsidiary of Gazprom working as a resident will use it))))
                    1. Curculum
                      Curculum 18 September 2012 21: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      There are opportunities to reduce

                      Sincerely glad.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Naturally, time is imperishable. 2009-2010-2011-2012

                      The correct countdown will be from 2005-th (revision of gas prices).
                      Quote: Kars
                      Actually, no, if before that the economy was not economical))) but for the Russian Federation, Ukraine was the largest consumer

                      Gazprom did not cut exports, but increased them, the links are given above. Therefore, "Ukraine WAS" has no significance for the Russian Federation.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Is not the decree a show off?

                      depends on the indicated. Only Putin, unlike some, does not let snot and does not complain.
                      Quote: Kars
                      I already imagine how in Germany the tax inspector subsidiary of Gazprom working as a resident will use it

                      Here are the Germans and tell us your ideas.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 18 September 2012 21: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Sincerely glad.

                        Me too. Our contribution is 40 000 cubes per month (only gas stoves in the dormitories are left)
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        The correct countdown will be from 2005-th (revision of gas prices).

                        Enough for me from the date in your link))))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Gazprom did not cut exports

                        Actually, we are talking about the next year)))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Therefore, "Ukraine WAS" has no significance for the Russian Federation

                        How big a special chart can you not post Gazprom sales by country for 2012?
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Only Putin, unlike some, does not let snot and does not complain.

                        we'll see.

                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Here are the Germans and tell us your ideas

                        without them, fantasy will give you a fantasy.
                      2. Curculum
                        Curculum 18 September 2012 22: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Me too. Our contribution is 40 000 cubes per month (only gas stoves in the dormitories are left)

                        I am personally happy for you. And when is it planned to drink cognac (I hope - not Kakhovsky)?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Enough for me from the date in your link))))))

                        The essence is the same.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Actually, we are talking about the next year)))

                        without realities do not plan the future.
                        Quote: Kars
                        How big a special chart can you not post Gazprom sales by country for 2012?

                        стр. 65-68 http://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/21/499896/gazprom-emitent-report-2q-2012.pdf
                        Quote: Kars
                        see

                        kaneshno
                        Quote: Kars
                        they and without me, fantasy will give you fantasy

                        Duc himself about them and imagine.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 18 September 2012 23: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        And when is it planned to drink cognac (I hope - not Kakhovsky)?

                        But what did Kakhovsky not please? We are just not far from them (the plant in New Kakhovka).
                        And this is already from the 2011 year.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        The essence is the same

                        Well, what if in the yard 2012
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        do not plan the future without realities

                        That’s what they’ve planned, I hope your Gasprom’s representatives won’t be denied that they haven’t received any applications)))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Duc himself about them and imagine

                        Well, how do I also have a fantasy--
                        Quote: Kars
                        I already imagine how in Germany the tax inspector is a subsidiary of Gazprom working as a resident will use it))))

                        but at the same time I do not think that the Germans do not have their own
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        стр. 65-68 http://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/21/499896/gazprom-emitent-report-2q-2012.pdf

                        there is a great opportunity ---- insert an image, use it.
                      4. Curculum
                        Curculum 18 September 2012 23: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        But what did Kakhovsky not please? We are just not far from them (the plant in New Kakhovka).
                        And this is already from the 2011 year.

                        Tried - did not go. But ento is a matter of taste.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, what if in the yard 2012

                        And what has changed globally? The head-head sits - well, the scythe is with her, but the "projectors" are the same.
                        Quote: Kars
                        That’s what they’ve planned, I hope your Gasprom’s representatives won’t be denied that they haven’t received any applications)))))

                        I'm sure - they will figure it out themselves. But this is dust, by and large.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, how do I also have a fantasy--

                        Quote: Kars
                        but at the same time I do not think that the Germans do not have their own

                        Evdokimov also sang about this.
                        Quote: Kars
                        there is a great opportunity ---- insert an image, use it.

                        a document in PDF format on 487 pages, unfortunately - not trained, sir, and laziness. You can do it.
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 19 September 2012 01: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        And what has changed globally?

                        There is literally nothing, no loans from the Chinese to coal technology, so the launch of new wells, saving and changing technologies, switching to coal-water heating at TEC - nothing has changed.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        I'm sure - they will figure it out themselves. But this is dust, by and large.

                        Well, according to your document, this dust will come out minus 14-15 billions of cubes.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        PDF document in 487

                        master computer pragrams - Akrabat for example)))
                        and Germany is the largest, then Ukraine.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Evdokimov also sang about similar

                        Do not be so carried away, he ended badly.
                      6. Curculum
                        Curculum 19 September 2012 08: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        There is literally nothing, no loans from the Chinese for coal technology

                        Loan received and disbursed? TES have been translated on a large scale, is everything already working? And do you refer this to "global" Ukrainian changes, such as "Ukrainian breakthrough"? Congratulations to Tady.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, according to your document, this dust will come out minus 14-15 billions of cubes.

                        A holy place is never empty. And the obvious tendencies towards an increase in gas exports will more than cover the "minus" you mentioned.
                        Quote: Kars
                        master computer pragrams - Akrabat for example)))

                        learn grammar, and I use what I need.
                        Quote: Kars
                        and Germany is the largest, then Ukraine.

                        you yourself write about trends, so "then Ukraine" is not long left.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Do not be so carried away, he ended badly.

                        it’s obvious that someone ends up - you know.
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 19 September 2012 19: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Tady congratulations

                        thanks.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        . And obvious export growth trends

                        Where is it? How are there applications for 2013 what growth?
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        learn grammar, and I use what I need.

                        Well, don’t need it that way, you need to develop, and the last time I explained the grammar to you.)))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        you yourself write

                        Do you say grammar do you know? But logic? I’m talking about your document about the first half of the year 2012. And yes, Ukraine, I hope not long to be in the top three leaders in feeding Gazprom.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        obviously someone ends up

                        You don’t know how Evdakimov finished? I’m friendly to you, or you’ll end like that - who will tell me stories about gas))))
                      8. Curculum
                        Curculum 19 September 2012 22: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Where is it? How are there applications for 2013 what growth?

                        I’m not yet up to the mark on applications, but the trends are described in the report of A. Medvedev, it’s not accepted to make a sound at such congresses: http://www.gazprom.ru/press/reports/2012/markets-integration/
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, don’t need it, you need to develop

                        Is something bothering you?
                        Quote: Kars
                        and the last time I explained the grammar to you

                        you contradict yourself with the phrase above.
                        Quote: Kars
                        and logic? I’m talking about your document about the first half of 2012. And yes, Ukraine I hope not long to be in the top three leaders in feeding Gazprom.

                        The document is not mine, it says whose. Can you know the logic? Sorry, I don't know about this possibility. But if Ukraine feeds Gazprom, then I already heard the same from the Rukhovites in the early 90s, did you study with Chornovil (the deceased)?
                        Quote: Kars
                        You do not know how Evdakimov finished?

                        I have no idea.
                        Quote: Kars
                        I’m friendly to you, otherwise you’ll end like that

                        how?
                        Quote: Kars
                        who will tell me about gas

                        a fairy tale is a myth or a story about the past, and you are a dreamer about the future - "everything is in your hands."
                      9. Kars
                        Kars 19 September 2012 22: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        it’s not accepted to make a sound: http://www.gazprom.ru/press/reports/2012/markets-integration/


                        This can be said the direct goal of these symposiums is to sound))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Is something bothering you?

                        I know how to use a user acrobat (although I don’t need it for work), and if you are hinting at grammar, then this is a bone for you to say. And Google has automatic spell check in Google, but I don’t use it.

                        Quote: Kurkul
                        you contradict yourself with the phrase above

                        You forgot?
                        Curcul 26 July 2012 15: 13 | Recognition of the associate of Yanukovych: We will not get anywhere from Russia and from the Customs Union 0 Quote: Kars
                        So you can bring a literary work or a scientific text with

                        come back re-read)))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        The document is not mine

                        here it is yours - you brought a link to it.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Can I know the logic?

                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Sorry, I don’t know about this possibility.

                        Logic (dr. Greek λογική - section of philosophy, “science of correct thinking”, “art of reasoning” from λόγος - “speech”, “reasoning”, “thought”) - the science of the forms, methods and laws of intellectual cognitive activity, formalized using a logical language.
                        In your science, you can’t know? At least for you it can be said. Or do you use it without knowing)))))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        I have no idea.

                        poorly

                        Quote: Kurkul
                        how?

                        bad (up to a painful death)))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        fairy tale - myth or reality about the past

                        do you want to say what you are telling for the future? using 2009 articles of the year))))
                      10. Curculum
                        Curculum 19 September 2012 23: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        I can be a user acrobat

                        be proud. Have you tried it in "CorelDRAW"?
                        Quote: Kars
                        And in Google Chrome, automatic spell checking, but I do not use it

                        is
                        Quote: Kars
                        come back re-read

                        you are monotonous
                        Quote: Kars
                        You don’t know according to your science? At least it can be said by you. Or you use it without knowing

                        did you comprehend this science? Well, well, as you wrote there: "you give in fantastical." According to your letters, of course, you can be given a worthy title of "prokhvassor of logical sciences" - a wonderful addition to the "virtual general of the army".
                        PS If you quote from the wiki, then at least read it in full (you don't have to remember the links in it) - it will be hard for you. Although not in "Akrabat" ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        bad (up to a painful death)

                        it happens.
                        Quote: Kars
                        do you want to say what you are telling for the future? using articles of 2009

                        remember and analyze the past - minimizing mistakes in the future.
                      11. Kars
                        Kars 19 September 2012 23: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        be proud

                        I am proud of AutoCAD))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        "CorelDRAW

                        You, too, could not cut the plates?
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        is

                        And then
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        you are monotonous

                        your twists there, but they were .. varied.))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        , you can give you a worthy title of "prokhvassor of logical sciences" - a wonderful addition to the "virtual army general".

                        a good match, but you have no logical failures from this))))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        read at least

                        Well, you could not bring the quotes refuting me from there, therefore it is logical to assume that you can’t use logic without knowing it.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        it happens.

                        try not to be so with you.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        remember and analyze the past - minimize mistakes in the future

                        This is if you learn lessons, and not overpower with the appearance of holy truth unchanged)))
                      12. Curculum
                        Curculum 19 September 2012 23: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        I'm proud of AutoCAD

                        well done.
                        Quote: Kars
                        You, too, could not cut the plates?

                        you, as a "logistician" - are inattentive.
                        Quote: Kars
                        your twists there, but they were different

                        horses plow the furrow uniformly. You're (in your phrases) - with imagination, so why negativity to diversity?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, you could not bring me quotes refuting me

                        do not flatter yourself, a connoisseur of "Akrabat", in the wiki the format is "word".
                        Quote: Kars
                        therefore, it is logical to assume that you will not be able to use logic without knowing it.

                        And I leave the right to you, I don't need anything like that.
                        Quote: Kars
                        try not to be so with you

                        are you trying Be a diligent prospector of tada.
                        Quote: Kars
                        This is if you learn lessons, and not overpower with the appearance of holy truth unchanged

                        More about you and your love for wikis.
                      13. Kars
                        Kars 20 September 2012 00: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        well done.

                        ))))))))) and how are you a Word?
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        you, as a "logistician" - are inattentive.

                        Really you posted a plate from the document.))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        so why negative to diversity?

                        Where is the negative? You were ridiculous in the variety, and this is positive)))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        do not flatter yourself, connoisseur of "Akrabat", in wiki format "word"

                        But there’s still no quote, you say you can’t know logic? Its parts? Study logic?
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        I don’t need anything like that.

                        oh well, there’s simply nothing, even though you are puffing from a comment to a comment)))
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        Be a diligent miner tada

                        Well, it’s not me who drew Evdokimov’s, and you’re a diligent, even though you can’t and not.
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        More about you and your love for wikis

                        Do you want to compliment me? No, I’m not as bony as you are and I’m learning lessons, even from your runs.
                      14. Curculum
                        Curculum 20 September 2012 00: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        and how are you a Word?

                        without screaming. And you?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Really you posted a plate from the document.))

                        look for the answer in September 18, 2012 23:39
                        Quote: Kars
                        Where is the negative? You were ridiculous in the variety, and this is positive

                        kaneshno
                        Quote: Kars
                        But there’s still no quote, you say you can’t know logic? Its parts? Study logic?

                        are you fantasizing?
                        Quote: Kars
                        oh well, there’s simply nothing, at least you puffed from a comment to a comment

                        "Prohvessoru" knows better "kaneshna".
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, it’s not me who drew Evdokimov’s, and you’re a diligent, even though you can’t and not.

                        well, and I didn’t dragged, as he "finished".
                        Quote: Kars
                        Do you want to compliment me?

                        one compliment to Pinocchio - the tree is good.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Do not.

                        do not be shy, you deserve it (virtually).
                        Quote: Kars
                        I'm not as bony as you and I’m learning lessons, even from your runs

                        less bone - more rags. And for the driven cattle, the wolf is the last lesson.
  11. tan0472
    tan0472 18 September 2012 09: 54
    0
    I thought, I think, and I will think that Russia needs to build gas liquefaction plants and gas tankers (so as not to depend on "gaskets"). If different "Austrians" need gas, then Russia must supply it to any named port. And whether there is a gas pipeline from the port to "austria" or they will transport gas by rail - let the "austria" have a headache.
    1. spender
      spender 18 September 2012 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: tan0472
      I thought, I think and will continue to believe that Russia needs to build gas liquefaction plants and gas tankers

      It’s too expensive, dangerous (how to install atomic bombs on its territory), technologically dangerous and pipelines are cheaper.
      And let's think: Russia is building factories and tankers, and some limitrophe is issuing a law banning gas tankers of the model that Russia uses in its waters as not meeting the standards (hereinafter fantasy), remember how the Soviet civil aviation was set up with "barriers"? winked
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 18 September 2012 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: spender
        and some limotrof issues a law banning gas tankers in its waters

        This is politics. Let the one who freezes without gas understands.
        Quote: spender
        Too expensive

        Is it not more expensive to sell gas at cheap "gaskets"?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 29
          +3
          Quote: tan0472

          Is it not more expensive to sell gas at cheap "gaskets"?

          Of course, it’s unprofitable, especially to deal with countries in the budget holes, so they pick it out from others without disdaining blackmail.
          1. tan0472
            tan0472 18 September 2012 10: 36
            +1
            That's it. Not all that is cheap is good. The "shoulder" ones move the cheapest. And even with a profit.
        2. spender
          spender 18 September 2012 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: tan0472
          This is politics. Let the one who freezes without gas understands.

          Politics is now present in the economies of almost all countries, and this cannot be avoided. hi Nobody will sort it out, lawsuits will be "brought in" and the courts will be won (we are weak here, as can be seen from a number of lost cases) ... It is profitable for Gazprom to trade under a long-term contract, not tankers wink
          Quote: tan0472
          Is it not more expensive to sell gas at cheap "gaskets"?

          Yes, there is no longer any "cheap" gas, except for Belarus, but there are political games, everyone else, including Ukraine, pays world prices ... If prices go down, then these are mutual settlements or other concessions hi
          The freebie is over ...
          1. tan0472
            tan0472 18 September 2012 10: 44
            0
            Quote: spender
            it is profitable for Gazprom to trade under a long-term contract, rather than tankers

            And that tankers cannot be traded "long-term"?
            Quote: spender
            will be "sued" and will win the courts

            One winter with ice snot on the nose - and the desire to make claims will disappear forever. hi For "Politics is now present in the economies of almost all countries, this cannot be avoided" smile
            1. spender
              spender 18 September 2012 10: 51
              +2
              Quote: tan0472
              And that tankers cannot be traded "long-term"?

              Let's take an everyday example ... Why is it more profitable to build a water supply system, rather than deliver water to consumers in "containers", when a partner is a long-term and with good volumes the pipeline stably pays off. It is not enough to build a plant and tankers, they need to be maintained, and workers and crews must be paid wages, force majeure in the form of repairs can be calculated by yourself ... wink
              1. tan0472
                tan0472 18 September 2012 11: 00
                0
                Why is Qatar not building gas pipelines? The argument about the "difficult political situation in the Middle East" is not accepted. For Russia, Ukraine is a "complicated Middle East". And until recently, others.
                Why is it more profitable to build a water supply system, rather than deliver water to consumers in "containers" And why is gasoline being transported by fuel trucks rather than pipelines? (Which are more profitable) Maybe because they will steal? Is it wrong with gas?
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 18 September 2012 12: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: tan0472
                  Why is Qatar not building gas pipelines? Argument about "difficult political situation in the Middle East" is not accepted


                  Because besides there is nowhere else to lay through Syria, tankers have to be transported to Europe in liquefied form, which naturally increases the cost of the product several times. Yes, and the volume of supply can not be greatly increased.
                2. Curculum
                  Curculum 18 September 2012 19: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: tan0472
                  And why is gasoline being transported by fuel trucks, and not by pipelines?

                  Have you tried to think about comparing the consumption of water, gas and gasoline?
              2. REPA1963
                REPA1963 19 September 2012 00: 09
                0
                And you do not need to contain a pipe? Pumping stations and more? Something new in the gas industry ...
      2. REPA1963
        REPA1963 19 September 2012 00: 06
        0
        Regarding the factories, it is necessary to build a pipe, an expensive and troublesome business, for example, Bulgaria, Ukraine, etc. Yes, and others, if necessary, the right to download ....
  12. Setrac
    Setrac 18 September 2012 11: 35
    +1
    I draw your attention to the fact that when Napoleon retreated (fleeing) from Russia, the well-known river did not cross the ice (historical fact), so no general frost Napoleon won, what frosts, if the water in the river did not freeze (in late November, the final defeat near Birch trees).
  13. sxn278619
    sxn278619 18 September 2012 12: 26
    0
    warrior I wrote everything correctly and accurately
    The freebie price ends.
    Therefore, there is nothing to bury money in the ground.
    It is better to build another LNG plant together with Japan.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 18 September 2012 23: 01
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      It is better to build another LNG plant together with Japan.

      "In 2011, the APR countries imported a total of about 150 million tons of LNG2 (204,5 billion cubic meters), which is 15% more than in 2010. To a large extent, this increase was due to the additional demand for energy in Japan (in 2011, Japan received 8,5 million tons of LNG (11,6 billion cubic meters) more than in 2010), where, as a result of the devastating tsunami, electricity production at nuclear power plants was almost completely stopped. In 2011, there was a clear trend towards an increase in the level of spot prices for LNG in the Asia-Pacific region. Thus, by the end of 2011, the price of spot supplies reached USD 17,5 per million BTU (USD 625 per thousand cubic meters), today - up to US $ 19 per million BTU (about US $ 678 per thousand cubic meters).
      Given the special importance of LNG in the Asia-Pacific region and the premium price level, Gazprom Group pays special attention to increasing LNG supplies to the region. In order to manage the LNG business of the Group, Gazprom Marketing and Trading Singapore was created in the Asia-Pacific region. In 2011, Gazprom Group sold 34 LNG batches totaling 3,06 billion cubic meters. m, of which 30 batches were delivered to the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, South Korea, China, India, Thailand and Taiwan.
      The LNG supply portfolio of the Gazprom Group is over 1 billion cubic meters. m per year come from the Sakhalin-2 project, which allows optimizing LNG supplies to the Asia-Pacific region due to geographical proximity. Deliveries from projects outside Russia account for a significant share in the trading portfolio: such volumes are received both within the framework of medium-term transactions and following the successful participation of Gazprom Group companies in tenders for individual LNG consignments. In the future, the bulk of LNG volumes will be provided through the implementation of Russian projects, including the Shtokman project and the expansion of LNG production in the Far East. "
      Источник: http://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/11/292269/2012-06-18-background-ru.pdf
  14. pinachet
    pinachet 18 September 2012 14: 49
    0
    there’s only one conclusion .. you need not one Nordstream in the Baltic, but three !!
  15. mabuta
    mabuta 18 September 2012 15: 57
    0
    With shale gas is not so simple. The Frenchman categorically refused to develop it in his chair for five years. The main production method is hydraulic fracturing with the injection of various chemicals. Where the crack will go along the reservoir is a question, and there are aquifers nearby. Yousses are already poisoned by water (lead 24 from 18.09).
    The oilman himself, wells with "griffins" (the exit of formation fluid, gas to the surface) to hell has liquidated.
    1. pinachet
      pinachet 18 September 2012 18: 03
      0
      I agree with regards to shale gas, it’s not so simple there. I read such a thing that amers started developing shale gas and realized that it wasn’t promising and now they would cover the losses by selling technologies and promoting projects for its production. And those who really know all the problems his booty does not go there.
  16. bask
    bask 18 September 2012 16: 59
    +2
    And I spent the whole winter burning a stove for coal. As from an advertisement I’m slipping like hell, I’m cursing looking at another blue stream on TV on me.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 18 September 2012 19: 32
    +1
    In the same 2009, the government changed in Bulgaria. The newly elected cabinet, headed by Mr. Borisov, decided to review the existing energy agreements with Russia.

    Each fly imagines itself an elephant. And even the Slavs .....
  18. REPA1963
    REPA1963 19 September 2012 00: 13
    +1
    All this is good and healthy. What will our children and grandchildren live on? it would be interesting to know ... even after the accident in the United States Gulf, we did not re-open a single well ... But we all drift and drift for the sake of momentary profit .... after us at least a flood ..
  19. bask
    bask 19 September 2012 06: 52
    0
    Yes, I agree energy companies are thinking about momentary benefits. And what will the children of our country get? Rusty pipes from oil. and gas pipelines., without gas and gas .. Do not pump gas And develop your industry producing cooks.
  20. dimanf
    dimanf 19 September 2012 14: 41
    0
    and for all this raw material dependence, we will pay by raising tariffs!
    http://www.camcomp.com/sravnenie-tsen-na-gaz-v-ssha-i-rossii.html
    In Russia, which is rich in gas reserves, this fuel is sold more expensively than in the United States of America. According to American experts, the average annual price of fuel dropped to $ 99 per 1000 cubic meters, and a decrease will be observed in the coming years.

    Tariffs for 2011 fell by 32%, and this trend was caused by an increase in fuel supply: according to preliminary estimates by Barclays Capital, gas production in the United States increased by 10% and will increase by 4% this year. The main reason for the fall in prices for natural gas was the shale boom caused by the use of the latest horizontal drilling technologies and hydraulic fracturing techniques.

    Many American companies get associated gas in oil production: today up to a quarter of the volume of natural gas is extracted from oil wells. High oil prices in the United States are pushing firms to drill new wells; as a result, gas production will automatically increase, and therefore there will be a reduction in gas prices. At the same time, experts expect a further reduction in gas tariffs to 71 dollars per 1000 cubic meters. This trend will continue until at least 2013.

    In Russia, in 2011, the government set the price of natural gas for central regions at $ 126, and for regions it was about $ 100. The next rise in price is planned for 2012-2014. Thus, regulated prices for natural gas for all categories of consumers were increased by 15%. Experts explain the paradox of rising gas prices in Russia and lowering tariffs in the United States by different government policies and different management approaches. According to them, the downward trend in natural gas prices may end in a few years. US authorities are trying to make prices for the domestic market minimal, but also to achieve complete independence from other external sources of energy supplies.

    The Russian Federation is pursuing a policy of linking the returns of domestic and export deliveries, and this approach is explained by the interests of the state budget and the goals of further development of the country's gas infrastructure. The country associates a long-term policy of increasing fuel prices with the needs of Gazprom and the untapped potential for energy conservation. Often you can hear another argument - expensive fuel can lead to increased energy efficiency of the economy. The cost of fuel production in Russia is at the level of $ 20 per thousand cubic meters, and by raising domestic tariffs, the authorities create resources to carry out low-cost and costly pipeline projects.
  21. bistrov.
    bistrov. 20 September 2012 02: 22
    0
    As far as I'm aware, the article is late. Russia has already agreed with Bulgaria on the construction of a gas pipeline on its territory. As for Ukraine, which is trying to reduce purchases of gas from Russia, in my opinion it is chopping off the branch on which it sits. The winter of last year showed that there are still bursts of rather severe cold weather, so Ukraine had to double the extraction of gas from the gas pipeline that runs through its territory, and therefore, due to its fault, a shortage of gas was provoked in the countries of Western Europe, in addition, Ukraine rushes to different "extremes", then it buys gas from Turkmenistan, and will build liquefaction plants and purchase ships for its transportation, then it will build a new gas pipeline through Georgia, then it will develop shale gas, now a message flashed that it had now abandoned it Due to the complexity and high cost of the project, it will now be completely switched to coal, when the coal industry is almost completely collapsed, and the cost of a ton of coal has reached much more than a thousand hryvnia. In addition, large investments must be made to re-equip boilers and create treatment facilities. In short, the country is unpredictable in everything, and the wording "tries to sit on two chairs" characterizes it very clearly.