German paratroopers showed a new airborne tankette GSD LuWa

The German company IABG (Industrieanlagen-Betriebsgesellschaft mbH) showed a prototype of the new GSD LuWa tracked tankette, developed at the request of the German Ministry of Defense for the German airborne forces. In addition to the show itself, the car has passed preliminary tests.

According to the portal armyrecognition.com, the GSD LuWa demonstration took place back in October, the car was shown to the German military, including paratroopers. During the demonstration, the new tankette demonstrated its running and protective qualities, firing was carried out. The next stage will be state tests, which are scheduled for early next year. The decision on serial production will be made based on the results of state tests.

The development of a new airborne tankette for the German landing was reported in early August this year. The new armored vehicles were developed at the request of the German Ministry of Defense to replace the aging Wiesel-1 airborne wedge in the airborne forces.

A two-track independent suspension is used as the GSD LuWa chassis. The power plant is hybrid diesel-electric with a separate electric motor for each track. The combat module is uninhabited, an automatic cannon of 27 mm caliber is installed. The crew is two people, located one behind the other. Weight - 6,2 tons, length x width x height - 4,2 x 1,9 x 2 meters. To accommodate the GSD LuWa in a CH-53 helicopter, its height is changed to 1,85 m using a suspension.

Currently, the German paratroopers are armed with Wiesel-1 aircraft, which have been produced since the late 80s. In total, from 1989 to 1992, 345 vehicles were produced in two types: with a 20-mm automatic cannon and with an ATGM "TOU".

Comments

[alex neym_2]

For the sake of 50cm in height to make a complex suspension?

[knn54]

The tracks are too narrow, the two-track independent suspension seems to be for (ruptured tracks) reliability. But it's a "nightmare" during repair (and maintenance) in the field.
Landing a wedge by parachute method UNWAYS will not work.
Planting ONLY.

[28st region]

For what cool windows, curtains can be hung.

[EXPrompt]

The car is complete nonsense ...
This suspension is most likely even heavier to the heap, which is Critical for landing vehicles.
There are 2 (4) driving rollers and +1 diesel + 4 electric motors, but one could get by with 1m diesel.
So the Germans got a pure krakozyabra, and besides, a fashionable hybrid, which is complete nonsense within the framework of combat use.
How the machine looks ridiculously the same and ridiculous and complicated design inside and inside it.

[28st region]

Quote: EXPrompt

well, and besides, a fashionable hybrid, which is utter nonsense within the framework of combat use.

Why, what's wrong with that?

[EXPrompt]

The scheme is too complex.
The Kalash effect has not been canceled; mass weapons should be simple.
Although the Germans are not in the first, they messed up a lot in WWII with the same chess pendants or Ferinand's electrical circuits.

[28st region]

Suppose they not only screwed up, but also invented a bunch of things, and such that the whole world still uses. For example, rocketry, that we have that the amerikosov.
As for the hybrid scheme, I have a Japanese woman with a hybrid engine. A wonderful car, fuel consumption is about one and a half times lower than that of a conventional one. And by the way, the Japanese have completely switched to hybrid engines, by 2030 they promise to completely switch to electric vehicles, it's all about the batteries of their capacity and the ability to hold a charge for a long time. Honda has released a car where the internal combustion engine on wheels does not work only on electric motors and battery charge.
Who knows how far the Germans have come in this matter.

[EXPrompt]

All electric vehicles, and hybrids, will always (with the current development of technology) be worse in energy efficiency than the same diesel or internal combustion engine.
Let's take out the greenhouse footprint, ecology, battery recycling, etc., etc.

You just for yourself, google how much the Tesla battery weighs, and how much gasoline will weigh in order to cover the same mileage. The difference is + - than an order of magnitude.
And what is important is that you consume gasoline, its weight decreases, but you do not consume the battery (its weight), the effect of 2-3 rocket stages.
YOU, as you carried + - half a ton of accumulators per 1 kilometer on Tesla, will carry the same half a ton at 400m.
In short, the Nobel Prize for those who can invent new efficient packaging for electricity is provided. So far in this matter, humanity has not advanced very far.

I repeat, the Germans turned out to be a fashionable BMD, yes, they were kind of environmentally friendly, but in combat conditions the scheme was too complicated.
Your example is not indicative, you drive your personal hybrid around the city and you can always send it to MOT in the event of a breakdown, it is extremely difficult to send an infantry fighting vehicle behind enemy lines for MOT, which means, ideally, for such a technique, any mechanized drive must be used with a wire sledgehammer, and so on mother to fix the BMP, ideally ..
In addition, the funny thing is that there seems to be no lithium for batteries in Germany, and never was, in the event of a war, how are they going to change the batteries when the cycles run out ...

[28st region]

Why should I google, the car is in the garage, the battery weighs about twice as much as the usual one. The car starts up in any frost, we have them in January 30 a common thing.
You try to look at this in Google, Yandex, the battery for the T-Prius
And don't confuse an all-electric car with a hybrid. A hybrid on akab will travel no more than 2 km. The point is that it is continuously recharged and the electric motor adds power and a car with a weaker engine in speed and other parameters is not inferior, but surpasses the same cars only with an internal combustion engine but more powerful.
That's the whole benefit.

[Barberry25]

do not confuse a civilian car and a military one .. the Germans, due to their craving for new things, now have a very mediocre fighting efficiency of the army - a significant part of the equipment is broken

[28st region]

Why did you get this?

[Barberry25]

well read the Bundeswehr readiness reports

[28st region]

So what? Our Armed Forces should number 1, and at present they do not even reach 300. Armed with one old thing, which is newer on sale. So everything is the same.

[Barberry25]

Quote: 28st region

Our aircraft must number 1

and now a link to the studio where this was mentioned at least once ...

[28st region]

Military doctrine of the Russian Federation + Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 17, 2017 N 555 "On the establishment of the staff strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation"

[28st region]

Yes, I got excited about 900 00 - As of 2020, the number of the Russian Armed Forces is about 798 thousand people

[Barberry25]

let's start with small details: 1) decree 555 sets the size of the army at 1 million 14 thousand ... and not 1,3 million ... further 2) refer to left-wing sources from the network ... Seriously?) .. otherwise it turns out that we have in about all parts of the 25% shortage of personnel ..

[Barberry25]

and an important point, what an attempt to forever look for a prophet in a foreign land? and when you screwed up, you start to write about "and ours is worse" .. I brought a report from the Bundeswehr that half of their equipment is incapable of combat, but immediately tried to leave the topic .... ah ah oh, how bad it is to be like that

[28st region]

And the important point, what kind of eternal attempts at shapkozidatelstva?

[Barberry25]

Well, you answer the question, why did you merge with the topic about "high manufacturability has consequences" and I will answer yours about shapkozakidatelstvo .. or does the CSV not allow you to admit that you screwed up?

[28st region]

Do you have something with your head, kid?

[Barberry25]

You can see a kid in pants in yours) but in fact the answer will be to the question - why such technologically advanced Germans cannot provide even 50% of the combat effectiveness of their armored vehicles?

[-Dmitry-]

The new armored vehicles were developed at the request of the German Ministry of Defense to replace the aging Wiesel-1 airborne wedge in the airborne forces.

The awl is changed for soap.

[Barberry25]

but the gun is 7 mm thicker)

[Jcvai]

Hmm, only for one "appearance" the first Wiesel seems to me more effective. It would have been enough for the old man to modernize his armor, chassis and weapons.
With the same success, we could have bought the decommissioned MT-LB from us and put our towers on them.

[-Dmitry-]

I don’t understand the meaning of these "wedges" at all. Especially now, when a robot could be made in the same weight and dimensions. It would be much more useful. So, what's the point for the Airborne Forces in these wunderpants?

[Barberry25]

well, there is a sense in wedges .. if there is a drop with a parachute, delivery by helicopter and buoyancy, or a low price and massiveness, such as the T-60/70-locust .. at one time

[-Dmitry-]

Quote: Barberry25

well, there is a sense in wedges .. if there is a drop with a parachute, delivery by helicopter and buoyancy, or a low price and massiveness, such as the T-60/70-locust .. at one time

with a cannon 20 / 27mm? Fuck, excuse me? :) She does not carry troops, the caliber is small, the armor is appropriate, the crew is 2 people. What tasks can it perform? Support the landing with the fire of your pukalka? Well, only if exclusively against the barmaley, who do not have heavy weapons, and for the Airborne Forces, whose task is to act behind enemy lines, excuse me, what a dead poultice. Wiesel with TOU will be more practical, in my opinion. And given current trends, this is even a step backward.

[Barberry25]

it all depends on the conditions of application of the technique. Airborne assault forces allow warheads to be deployed in the desired directions, helicopter assault forces provide flexibility ... And yes, the vehicle must have different weapons, so I think the version with ATGM can be installed, the question is different - they change the awl for soap, and expensive.

[-Dmitry-]

And yes, the car should have different weapons, so I think the version with the ATGM can also be put, here the question is different - they change the awl for soap, and it's expensive.

So I wrote about that, but gentlemen, the minusers seem to think differently :)

Airborne assault forces allow combat units to be deployed in the desired directions, while helicopter assault forces provide flexibility.

Excuse me, this wunderfawle does not in any way allow you to achieve your goals. Even the BMD-1 will be much better at fulfilling the assigned tasks for the Airborne Forces than this prodigy ...

[Barberry25]

well, here I think the problem is in the small number of cars ... in fact we are also now creating tankettes ... wheeled (a la technical) for helicopter landing based on all sorts of buggies and Niva. The problem of the Germans is in the race for manufacturability, so instead of cheap and mass tankettes, they will receive expensive and piece goods, the same Wiesel now have less than 200 units, they seem to have, and this pepelatsa will be even less.

[-Dmitry-]

we, in fact, are also now creating wedges .. wheeled (a la technical) for helicopter landing on the basis of all sorts of buggies and Niva.

Whoa, whoa, take it easy! Wedges and buggies are not the same thing! Tankettes are SU-57 for example. It's true. But not Typhoon-Airborne. So you don't even need to compare. Even if we compare, the Typhoon-Airborne Forces with comparable armor and weapons will be much better. For the mass is approximately the same. The DBU can be supplied with another one.

[Barberry25]

well, it's just a bigger car ... but the tasks are the same - a light and cheap armored vehicle

[-Dmitry-]

well it's just a bigger car ... ah

Shta? Compared to what? With BMD-1 ???? Are you sure about this ???

Or do you mean the SU-57? Well, of course, it would still be smaller. But in fact, in the modern world, this is the same SU-57 - because the armor is about the same, and it solves tasks even less than the SU-57. So we have a step back.

[Barberry25]

or step forward ... depending on what to look at)

[-Dmitry-]

Well, as I understand it, we need to look at the goals and objectives of the German Airborne Forces.

[NDR-791]

"Iron Kaput" or "Horror Mechanic". At that time he also said that the unit was disposable - he fired and ran away on foot.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: NDR-791

"Iron Kaput" or "Horror Mechanic".

This is how she turned out, the illegitimate daughter of "Wiesel" and the grand-niece of "Luhs".
And if you take a closer look at the rear running unit, then the family traits of the Maultier family will hatch at all.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The desire to create a diesel-electric ship is ineradicable in German engineers. The scheme turned out to be unacceptable even on the Porsche Tiger tank project. And here is another attempt at reincarnation, with a much lighter car.

[Cron]

If we remove the combat module, it looks like a purely Ukrainian collective farm development

[prior]

Well, it's just some kind of monster ...
And not a word about air conditioning ...

[vadim dok]

And not a word about the toilet, like that of Armata! A really bad car!

[tralflot1832]

And she is not played in sports lotto, I want to go to pick mushrooms.

[Flooding]

Well, they called the wedge a wedge heel.
otherwise people have already begun to be ashamed of this half-forgotten word.

[saygon66]

- And why does she have all the hydraulics outside?

[Ros 56]

Each track has its own engine and several wheels, including leading ones. Yes, the maintenance staff will curse these designers until the forties of the last century, when the rollers were placed in three rows.

[Murmur 55]

There is not enough information on exactly what it holds on armor, from what distance, how is mine protection ??? Our BMP, BMD, hayat for the weak protection of the crew and the landing, but here, well, it’s not clear delight al laugh.

[Graz]

6 tons what kind of protection is there, for me this pukalka is inferior even to the asu-57

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The BMD-2 has a mass of 8 tons, with a significantly larger size. It's not about the weakness of the armor, but about the unusualness of the transmission.

[Romanenko]

With the hodovka, they were very tricky, four tapes for one car ...
ricochets zero on the main reservation under the tower are serious "lured" by the word architecture is very controversial, if they wanted to do "not like everyone else," it definitely worked out.

[Murmur 55]

With the chassis it is a trademark of Germany, and the technology has stepped forward, I think that they have calculated the repair suitability.

[businessv]

The GSD LuWa chassis uses a two-track independent suspension.

Who among the experts is aware of such a nice, but it seems to me, an unnecessarily difficult decision? Indeed, if any of the caterpillars are damaged, this charm will rise.

[Romanenko]

So this is what we are talking about, and the reverse angles along the bottom of the tower will drag all the arrivals into the roof of the hull, and they can jam the shoulder straps, because this took place already in the 30s of the 20th century, do they have a reinforced roof there?
In general, it definitely turned out to surprise with external data.
Andrey Nikolaevich Tupolev once said - Ugly planes don't fly well
Here, it seems, the same case, well, perhaps not with an airplane.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

On the contrary, it is an unbridled desire for simplicity, a desire to get rid of a complex mechanical transmission and go to electrical harmony and sparkling bliss. KZ them in the rink!

[sen]

The German company IABG (Industrieanlagen-Betriebsgesellschaft mbH) showed a prototype of the new GSD LuWa tracked tankette, developed at the request of the German Ministry of Defense for the German airborne forces.

Germany has no airborne forces as such. The 26th and 31st airborne brigades are an integral part of the special operations division (DSO, number of 8000 people).

[Romanenko]

It looks like another non-standard in the caterpillar drive from the Germans started everyone.
Of course, the engineers who made this car calculated and calculated everything, let's just figure it out on our fingers.
Making the second set of two tracked drives purely parasitic is hardly justified, which means that it is necessary to drag, at least, an electric drive, a hydraulic drive to the second pair of tracks, or, as the most difficult option, mechanical belt drives, chain drives on a cardan drive, no matter what.
This is internal volume eaten and mass added.
If we conditionally accept the reliability level of a standard drive for two tracked pairs as a certain constant, expressed as a percentage, then the possibility of failure in this case doubles, since there are twice as many drives.
In addition, the very location of the drives raises some doubt, I will explain, when driving in the mud, the front "pair" can easily rake under the second, creating complicated working conditions for it, again the "dead space" between the pairs along the side may well be clogged with soil, which will create certain problems, and if it is necessary to pull out a stuck car from the dirt, the intermediate sinus between the first and second pair, clogged with soil, will most likely also cling, creating additional problems.
I hope that Nemchura worked these questions better than the "checkerboard" on the Tigers and Panthers, where the advantages of board protection and smoothness of movement due to the staggered arrangement of the rollers were completely eaten away by the complexity of the repair and the specific difficulties of the movement of equipment in heavy mud

[Nikolaevich I]

And sho ... we have not seen armored vehicles with two gus.providers ?! Fick guessed it! Have you seen!

This is OUR!

And this is NOT OURS!

[Pavel57]

It looks cartoonish.

[Freedim]

Interesting Frankenstein .. Winner of the competition "How can you mess up Bradley even more" .. Of course, it cannot swim, although by definition it should.

[Evil 55]

It's strange that the width is less than the height. It feels like the German designers have forgotten the basics of achieving lateral stability. With such parameters, this is a neat coffin for two when one side hits almost any obstacle above 0,5 m and there can be no question of any airborne landing at all .. The design of the chassis is too complicated, there are many interacting elements, which indicates its unreliability .. Obviously, this toy was invented for cutting the dough and for parade grounds.

[bbss]

Another ersatz. Apparently genetics is failing.