Stockings for knights and stockings for women ...

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A still from the amusing West German movie "Wonderful Times in Spessart" (1967). Something, and medieval costumes are good there, especially for women ...

A woman should not wear men's clothing, and a man should not wear women's clothing, for everyone who does this is an abomination to the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 22: 5

History clothes. The topic "history of clothes" seemed to many readers of VO to be quite deserving of their interest, and it is understandable, especially this applies to its female audience, which is quite numerous, by the way. Last time we stopped at the clothes of Byzantium, and then it would be just this cycle and continue, but there were some obstacles. The fact is that further it would be necessary to write about the clothes of the Middle Ages, and this topic is already very diverse. Firstly, there was the early Middle Ages or the era of Romanesque fashion, and secondly, it was replaced by the Gothic fashion of the classical medieval era, but there was also the era of "Burgundian fashion", which was also very peculiar and interesting in its own way. And now it turned out to be ... a very difficult task to find a sufficient amount of illustrative material in all these three directions. Although everything seems to be there, but ... to isolate the necessary images from a huge amount of illustrative material turned out to be simply an overwhelming task. That is why, although this topic will be continued, its content will change somewhat in favor of, so to speak, individual elements of the costume in different eras. Well, we will start with such an extremely important element of clothing at that time as ... stockings.

Stockings for knights and stockings for women ...
Marriage of João I of Portugal and Philip of Lancaster (1387). All the participants were clearly dressed up, both women and men. Miniature from Jean de Wavren's Old English Chronicles, 1479 British Library

Let us recall, if anyone did not know, that the culture of the early Middle Ages was entirely based on the opposition of the secular and spiritual principles. Hence the asceticism and spirituality promoted at all levels. Brutality, if someone and painted, it was only the knights who fought for the church. By the way, women, striving to give spirituality and sophistication to their appearance, in the XI-XII centuries. they began to shave their foreheads, pluck their eyebrows and wear high caps. Another factor that greatly influenced fashion was ... the width of the loom, which did not allow fabrics to be made more than 70 cm wide.




Blio - all classes, all classes, as well as men and women, in the XII century wore this as a daily outer dress


A still from the film "Wonderful Times in Spessart". Everything is in blio! But on the mennesinger, the male version

“Karl wore Frankish folk clothes. On his body he put on linen, a tunic trimmed with silk fringe on top and trousers. He wrapped his legs up to the knees with a linen cloth. In winter, he covered his chest and shoulders with a cape made of otter and sable skins. On top of everything he threw a greenish cloak and always girded with a sword, the handle and sling of which, silver or gold, were adorned with precious stones on solemn days and at receptions. Foreign clothes, no matter how beautiful they were, Karl neglected. Only in Rama, at the request of Pope Hadrian, and another time, his successor Leo, did he put on a long tunic and chlamydas and put on Roman shoes. Only on especially solemn occasions did he put on clothes woven with gold, and put on shoes covered with precious stones, fasten his cloak with a gold buckle and put on a gold crown. On ordinary days, however, his attire did not differ much from that of a commoner. "
Eingard. The Life of Charlemagne, 821


Kott or cotta is also an outer dress that was worn from the 1230th to the XNUMXth century, and fashion made these clothes sometimes long, sometimes short! Surko - replaced Blio in the XIII century. This is a sleeveless tunic. In XNUMX, the surcoat was transformed into a kind of double apron. For a long time it was a military clothing!

That is why, both in the era of Romanesque fashion, and in the era of gothic fashion, clothes, as a rule, were narrow, but long. The clothes of exclusively warriors were short, and even then - the lower one. As for the women of the noble class, they wore very long and narrow dresses, but with a wedge-shaped hem and sewn-in sleeves, which had to be ripped off at night.


Medieval cowards, whose age is ... 500 years! Photo Universität Innsbruck


And this is a bra from the same time, found at the same time as panties. The historians who found them were amazed! Photo Universität Innsbruck

But today we will be primarily interested in what the then men and women had "under the bottom", such a euphemism at the time of my childhood was called underwear. And there, first of all, there were bre - short pants, which since the XNUMXth century have completely passed into the category of underwear.


Modern reconstruction of the br. Photo from the book "The World Encyclopedia of Fashion and Style Costume" Blokhin, I.V. Minsk, Harvest, 2009

They were made of linen and wool, and the peasant bre (linen) were first dyed red, and woolen ones in dark colors, but when they became linen, they wore them unpainted. Moreover, both men and women.


Before us are typical bres (the figure of a young man on the right), and they were worn by both the poor and the rich (1); shirt (2) was also a universal garment of all classes; highway (3) - were the clothes of warriors and nobility and were most often sewn of cloth or thin suede; chain mail chausses (4) had a lining of suede or thin leather, while the early ones had chain mail weaving only in the front, and the later ones were one-piece chain mail stockings, moreover, often covered with fabric on the outside!

But the bras had a relatively short length, so that the main role of covering, so to speak, of the lower extremities in the Middle Ages and partly in modern times was assigned to the highway! What it is? And here's what: stockings cut along the leg, which were sewn from fabric, for example, from cloth or knitted from woolen yarn. Each half of the chausses was worn separately, tucking bras into them. The chaos were fastened to the belt with the help of garter cords, of which there could be from one to three, and with ceremonial clothes they put on chaos with three garters decorated with bows!


Here they are - typical highways of the Middle Ages!

Traditionally, they were of dark colors - red, brown, green. But since the fabric dyes were based on natural dyes, the colors were not very bright. However, the beauty of the clothes was delivered by the gold plaques sewn on it with multi-colored stones, the embroidered border, and, of course, furs, which were used both as a lining and for decoration ...

Blio elegant
I ordered to get it for her,
II purple-bordered cloak,
What was cut for her here.
Everything was brought to them at once:
Here is delicate fur, brocade, satin,
Here dresses silk shines smooth
Ermine lined.
On the collar and cuffs
I won't let him lie to myself -
Gold plaques are sewn
And in them precious stones -
Green, scarlet, blue -
They are enchanting with a magnificent game.
Although the outfit was dear,
On a cloak, luxurious and rich,
He did not yield to him in the least.
The strings, however, were not enough ...
C. Trois. Erek and Enida, circa 1162


The stone trim on the dress is taken directly from this description. Scene from the film "Wonderful Times in Spessart" (1967)

Structurally, the tracks consisted of a sock and a long leg warmer. This form of chausses existed from the time of Charlemagne and up to the XNUMXth century, when they thought of stitching them together into one piece with the help of wedges in the front and back. Interestingly, the track shoes very often served as footwear, since a leather sole was sewn on them from the bottom of the foot.


"Portrait of the Arnolfini couple" (1434). Jan Van Eyck (c. 1385 or 1390-1441). At that time, due to frequent wars and epidemics, there was a fashion for pregnancy, so a dress gathered on the belly was very often just a tribute to fashion, and not at all a consequence of the lady's "interesting position". The man is dressed in surcoat. National Gallery, London

Very early, namely at the end of the XII century in Western Europe, there was a fashion for miparti clothes, that is, "of two colors." The mipartis were two-colored: one, for example, half white, the other red. There were a lot of options, and not only the highway, but all the clothes as a whole were often divided in half!


Miparti clothing worn by Venetian soldiers of the late XNUMXth century. Artist Christopher Rochero

Since we have a Military Review, let's look at the military highways. At first they did not differ from ordinary clothes, but already on the "Bayesian Tapestry" we see that, at least for kings, a strip of chain mail already covers the leg up to the knees in front, and it is held on with ties at the back. Then, in the XII century, chain mail highways appeared. They are worn over the usual ones made of cloth. But the metal wipes the cloth too quickly, so there are leather tracks on which chain mail tracks are pulled. But the chain mail highway, as well as the chain mail hauberk, are too unpresentable. Therefore, they put on surcoats over the hauberk - a caftan with or without sleeves, but on the legs - one more chaussie made of fabric, over the chain mail chaussure with a leather lining, worn in turn on linen chaussie and the same bra!

As for the stockings, then ... they were also known in Ancient Egypt, where, however, they were not sewn, but knitted. In the V century. knitting of stockings flourishes in the East and around the XI century. ends up in Europe, where until that time stockings were sewn from linen and thin leather. They differed from chaussses in length - slightly above the knee, so that they could be fastened with garters.


XNUMXth century soldiers also wore stockings ... Artist Richard Hook

The Renaissance was a time of many discoveries. Fashion was no exception. It was then that such a toilet item as calce appeared - narrow pants-stockings made of thin cloth or suede, tied with ribbons. Leather soles were also sewn onto them and worn like shoes. Attached them to the tunic with laces and loops. In 1500-1550 on their feet, noble people wear thin stockings made of wool or silk. Above, they put on eaux-de-chausses - short top pants that look like pumpkins or balls.


Hercule-François de Valois, Duke of Anjou and Alencon (1555-1584). Unknown artist, c. 1580 Kunsthistorisches Museum Vienna


Leather tunic. Materials: leather, silk, linen, cotton. Western Europe, circa 1580 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

By the way, it was calze that gave rise to (and the name!) Pants, which were first knitted. Well, knitted stockings, as is commonly believed, were the first in England to be worn by Queen Elizabeth. At that time, women's pants were sewn from ... gold and silver brocade and supplemented with silk stockings! So even in a negligee, a woman, at least outwardly, continued to be the same noble lady!

But the homeland of knitted stockings with embroidered color inserts is considered to be Spain. In the XVI century. the products are so highly valued that they are presented to the English king Henry VIII as an expensive gift. Stockings are luxury goods, and their wearing is limited by decrees.


Knitting machine by William Lee. Ruddington Knitting Museum, Nottingham

In 1589, the Galverton master of philosophy, William Lee, invents the first knitting machine capable of making twelve hundred stitches per minute instead of a hundred in conventional hand knitting. The mechanism could have become a unique achievement of its time, but Queen Elizabeth refused to grant the master a patent, since she considered the stockings knitted on such a machine to be coarser than those sewn from silk. In addition, the queen was concerned about the fate of the English artisans, who would be out of work if the production of stockings was concentrated in the hands of one person. Soon, Lee presented a machine for knitting silk stockings, but again did not receive approval and left for France. In Rouen, he then founded the first mechanized knitwear workshop, where mainly Protestant artisans who were hiding from persecution by the French Catholics worked.

The final introduction of the hosiery machine dates back to 1656. Much of the credit for the development of the machine-made production of hosiery belongs to the Minister Colbert, who created a manufactory in Boulogne, which consisted of two hundred knitted machines.


Having a manufactory, it would be strange not to put stockings on your soldiers! French Royal Guardsman of 1670. Illustration from the book: Gerhard Forster, Peter Hoch, Reinhold Muller. "Uniformen europaischer Armeen", DDR, 1978


And this is a 1682 Bavarian musketeer in flirty striped stockings ... Illustration from the book: Gerhard Forster, Peter Hoch, Reinhold Muller. "Uniformen europaischer Armeen", DDR, 1978

The invention of the circular knitting machine, knitting fabric in the form of a tube, took place at the end of the XNUMXth century. in France. Since that time, handicrafts have practically fallen out of use, since machine production required much lower costs at a high production speed.


"Toilet" by Francois Boucher (1703-1770), painting 1742. Private collection. The artist skilfully shows how rococo women's stockings were worn with garters ...

During the Great French Revolution, long pants almost completely supplant stockings and culottes (short pants to the knees), but revived in the period of the Napoleonic empire along with a court costume, and after 1815 men get by with just socks and pantaloons.

At the end of the XIX century. silk ladies' stockings, decorated with delicate embroidery, appear. As the skirts are shortened, the stockings become more and more flirtatious: women of fashion wear fishnet, lace and fishnet stockings. After the First World War, stockings made of rayon and synthetic fibers are in great demand. In the middle of the XX century. the textile industry begins to produce nylon tights in flesh or tan. In the second half of the XX century. stockings are replaced by tights and socks.


Costumes for girls and women. Mordva Moksha. Late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth century Penza province. Chembarsky district. The village of Karsaevka, Pichevka. Pretty women, to be sure. But pay attention to the legs! Especially the one on the left ... Photo of the Mordovian Republican United Museum of Local Lore in Saransk http://mrkm.ru/kollektsii/etnografiya


Women's festive suit. Russians. The beginning of the twentieth century. Tambov province. Spassky district. The village of Studenets. Kotman. Photo of the Mordovian Republican United Museum of Local Lore in Saransk http://mrkm.ru/kollektsii/etnografiya


Women's boots. Tatars. Mid-twentieth century Colored morocco, leather mosaic. Photo of the Mordovian Republican United Museum of Local Lore in Saransk http://mrkm.ru/kollektsii/etnografiya

In Russia, stockings, despite their western origin, receive an eastern name - translated from the Tatar "cholgau" means "footcloths", "onuchi". In the XVI century. Soft shoes are also called stockings in Russia. In the XIX century. in Russian villages a strange fashion for thick legs is spreading. To achieve the desired result, women pull on six pairs of woolen stockings, collecting them on their legs with an accordion, poorer peasant women wrap their legs with onuchi, and put on stockings on top. Rustic stockings were usually black and white, with patterns concentrated at the bottom. The Ufa and Samara provinces are famous for their elegant woolen stockings with distinctive multi-colored patterns, popularly known under the most unusual names: “hand-written stockings”, “dolls”, “sparrow”, “eight-legged”, “burdock” and even “invigorating pans”.

To be continued ...
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  1. +10
    27 November 2021 06: 11
    It's all interesting, colorful, but I was hooked by something else. I remembered the film "Bringing the Spessart Castle" from my childhood. Dispersed for quotes among children.
    1. +14
      27 November 2021 06: 48
      And for some reason I remembered the film "Chasing Two Hares"
      "Brooks should stand like a pipe. Put it differently - the face is gone."
    2. 0
      27 November 2021 08: 02
      Gentlemen! Have you noticed that women's underwear is without lace ?! What about Europe without lace ?! lol
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    3. +7
      27 November 2021 08: 24
      Yes, Andrey hi I also liked "Ghosts" and remembered much more than the second series "Beautiful Times. Yes
  2. +8
    27 November 2021 06: 16
    Well, Vyacheslav ... well, you give ... Saturday began great with your article ... I looked at the men's stockings ... on the bra ... I immediately thought which amber would be heard during the feasts and balls of the European nobility. what... these are not our pants with flys.
    How the soldiers ran to the toilet if they urgently need it.
    Thank you for the article ... I learned a lot for myself.
    1. +7
      27 November 2021 06: 54
      This is not our pants with fly

      Theirs soldier soldiers ran with codpiece

      .
      Why the codpiece is the most important armor of the warrior
      - So, you say, - said Pantagruel, - that the most important military armor is a codpiece? The doctrine is new and highly paradoxical. It is generally accepted that weapons begin with spurs.

      - Yes, I affirm it, - announced Panurge, - and I affirm not without reason
      ...

      - And now pay attention to how nature gave man the idea to arm himself and from which part of the body he began his arms, - continued Panurge. - He began, I swear by all the saints, with the testicles.
      And Priapus himself, having hung them,

      hi

      The army is the main mod at all times.
    2. +13
      27 November 2021 06: 55
      Well Vyacheslav ... well, you give ...
      So "at the numerous requests of workers"
      The topic "clothing history" seemed to many readers of VO to be quite deserving of their interest, and it is understandable, in particular this applies to its female audience
      By the way, where is she, the female audience? So on your street, a gingerbread truck turned over! "Damn you, bank!" © Your day!
      Еnjoy the moment, dear Ladies!
      1. +10
        27 November 2021 11: 04
        By the way, where is she, the female audience?

        Yes, here it is, I am crying (((
        Khe! .. Khe! ...
        Dubnyak, sir! There is nothing better for me now and more fashionable than thick woolen socks knitted by Moldovans. I'm warming myself! And you are all fashion, fashion! What they sell in the market in tents is what the people dress up.
        The topic is interesting, but purely masculine.
      2. +1
        16 February 2022 17: 42
        Yes, there is. Where are you without us. Behind you an eye for an eye.
    3. +9
      27 November 2021 07: 37
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      How the soldiers ran to the toilet if they urgently need it.

      Perfectly! They loosened up, untied their laces, unfastened the buttons on the flap at the back and sat down without taking off their pants. The same thing in the front ... comfortable! The sailors still have it, in front ...
      1. +8
        27 November 2021 08: 00
        Modern tank overalls have an extensive codpiece at the back. More often on the "zipper". Precisely for a great need. At one time we could only dream of this ...
        1. +10
          27 November 2021 10: 02
          The landing jumpsuit of the times of the USSR had a detachable stern for this purpose (on 4 buttons) :)
          1. +5
            27 November 2021 12: 21
            The overalls have always had such a "door" with buttons and ties. My father told me about a standard joke at a winter field airfield - when someone stepped aside for a "big deal," a joker with a shovel would follow. He carefully took the product on a shovel and threw it far to the side. The manufacturer of the "product" looked around in surprise in search of the "product", but finding nothing, he fastened the valve and went into the building. And then the conspiring people started talking about "something smells bad here." The object of the joke was brought to white heat.
            1. +5
              27 November 2021 12: 43
              Well, yes, this bike has been around at all times :)
            2. +1
              27 November 2021 16: 16
              Quote: Aviator_
              followed by a joker with a shovel.

              Didn't the snow crunch underfoot?
          2. +12
            27 November 2021 12: 23
            Present to you the perfection in this plan
            Over the centuries, changes in the tailoring and materials of the work dress have been minimal. The modern look was finally established in 1951.
            During work and studies on ships, in units, docks, factories and workshops, foremen, sergeants and sailors are allowed to wear the established working dress. A work shirt is worn over a marine sweatshirt - a vest with the obligatory release of the uniform collar outward. Work shirt is not tucked into trousers. When wearing a working dress, foremen and sailors on ships, instead of a cap, are allowed to wear a blue beret (if applicable) with a star of the established pattern.
            - Order of the Navy Minister of the USSR No. 170 of September 12, 1951
            Work dress trousers consist of front and back halves and a belt. Front halves with side pockets and a lapel fastened to the waist of the back halves of the trousers with two buttons. This is primarily in order to quickly remove when God forbid you are overboard, but also for what you said it fits perfectly.
            1. +11
              27 November 2021 12: 27
              Work dress trousers have non-standard tailoring, keeping the style of the XNUMXth century.
              Under the tsarist regime, everything is the same. Now sailors will use vodka - all in the same uniform. Perfection cannot be improved - it just is. For 300 years.
              1. +3
                27 November 2021 14: 18
                Perfection cannot be improved - it just is
                took two years soldier and also pulled the kit to the civilian life. In a sailor I went to couples. The "form three" was put in, but I and my friend scored a couple of sea demobels! And we went to cotton. And I also left the epaulettes with "f" -shki laughing Than brought our company to white heat from time to time)))
            2. +3
              27 November 2021 21: 12
              Quote: Crowe
              I present to your attention the perfection in this regard.

              My dad, from 1952 to 56, served twice at the KBF and in the photo, especially where the tidy on the ship is, or what other work, he is dressed exactly as in the photo you have given. good Now, unfortunately, I can not upload a photo.
      2. +15
        27 November 2021 08: 15
        Vyacheslav, I wonder if it seemed to me alone, or what? bully

        1. +10
          27 November 2021 08: 17
          I don't have anything "just like that". That is why it takes so much time to select illustrations ... Articles "about tanks", where all the drawings are there and there is practically no need to select anything for me to rest ...
          1. +6
            27 November 2021 08: 37
            I don't have anything "just like that".

            Well, I have already noticed this. Yes
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          1. +5
            27 November 2021 09: 03
            Alas, I have not been to those parts. request
        3. +4
          27 November 2021 10: 15
          Uncle, Kostya. This is not the first time Vyacheslav Olegovich has used this photo and the striking similarity was noticed even earlier!)) laughing
        4. +5
          27 November 2021 15: 53
          If we consider the spouse - she also looks like Solntselikogo, there is even a "receding hairline".
        5. +1
          28 November 2021 20: 49
          Not for you alone! This picture, which no one knew about 20 years ago, has recently become very popular precisely because of the extraordinary similarity ..................... but what is there to darken - on it depicts a medieval Putin !!! lol
      3. +4
        27 November 2021 08: 45
        Oops! The French Royal Guardsman of 1670 is again the spitting image of the author. Mystic...
        1. +5
          27 November 2021 10: 18
          And indeed, it is similar. Yes
  3. +14
    27 November 2021 06: 40
    "The lace on the pantaloons rose more magnificently than the foam on the Don. Daria went to bed in pantaloons on the first night after her husband's arrival.

    Petro, before extinguishing the fire, grinned condescendingly:

    - Did you pick up the Muschinsky underwear and wear it?

    - They are warmer and more beautiful, - Daria answered dreamily. “You won’t understand them: if they were Muschinsky, they would have been longer. And lace ... What are they for your brother?

    - Must, the noble title of the men with lace wear. What is it to me? Wear it, ”Petro answered, scratching sleepily.

    But in the following days he lay down next to his wife, already moving away with fear, looking at the lace with involuntary respect and concern, fearing to touch them in the slightest and experiencing some alienation from Daria. He was never used to underwear. On the third night, angry, he decisively demanded:

    - Throw off your pants! It is not appropriate for a woman to wear them, and they are not at all female. You lie like a lady! Azhnik is some kind of stranger in them! "


    And the denouement-

    "
    In the morning he got up before Daria. Coughing and frowning, he tried to try on the pantaloons on himself. For a long time and warily he looked at the ties, at the lace and at his bare, hairy legs below the knees. He turned and, by chance, saw in the mirror his image with lush folds back, spat, cursed, and crawled out of his wide trousers like a bear. Big toe caught in the lace, almost fell on the chest and, already furious in earnest, tore the strings, got out into the wild. "
    lol

    No wonder they gave the Nobel Prize for this good
  4. +14
    27 November 2021 07: 06
    The article is interesting. for broadening one's horizons, that's it. Thanks. The picture shows a pregnant lady or not. Maybe after registering sir, he is blackmailing him, getting married, otherwise I’ll go to the cop and to Malakhov’s program, on the square near the town hall near the first channel. The man after such a statement is clearly sad. The face reminds me of someone, and, for sure, the elf Dobby from Harry Potter. Tuzik is also interesting, like sobachevichi of about this breed are still produced. Moreover, this is an adult dog. I remember my grandmother knitting winter stockings from wool. And on the hip ended with knitting with an "elastic", whether it was necessary to tie them up I do not know. Bast shoes were not worn because of a good life. Fashion for thick legs, well, excuse me at any gate. The woman roamed in the village for seven. the peasants often attacked the gentlemen. The same Peter. The building season is from April to November. Foundations, piles, walls, etc., that is, exterior work. And it was not "masons, free masons" who worked at all, but serfs, albeit for three months, but this way you need to get there back. And the women pulled the strap on themselves. I think up to 25 years old girls' legs were quite kissable. Well, then swollen legs, varicose veins, swollen joints. swelling. Everything from hard work. and not from overeating cellulite. Clothes were wrapped around their legs for warmth, not for plumpness. ... Although, during the war in the occupied lands, many women tried not to show their beauty, they cut their hair somehow, or even barely, their faces were soiled. That would not be an object for the Nazis, or not be hijacked to Germany. Maybe, and then they shook everything to their feet, so that the old goat master would not want the young beauty.
  5. +6
    27 November 2021 07: 29
    Thank you, Vyachesla Olegovich.
    Not in the technology section, so at least I found you here)
    Informative and as usual with good, easy to understand illustrations.
    But I don’t entirely agree with the epigraph - I personally don’t mind when a woman walks around the apartment in a man’s shirt. It's teasing or something. And not disgusting in any way)))
    But this is a matter of taste)
    1. +8
      27 November 2021 07: 41
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But this is a matter of taste

      Well, this is the opinion of the ancients! Not ours ...
      1. +7
        27 November 2021 07: 44
        Other times, different customs) ...
      2. +9
        27 November 2021 08: 50
        Vyacheslav, and the fashion for Bikini hasn't gone away since then?
        1. +11
          27 November 2021 09: 05
          Much earlier, from Ancient Rome.

          And the name of the style, from July 5, 1946. The advertising slogan of the swimsuit: "Bikini - divided atom!"
          1. +11
            27 November 2021 09: 10
            I remember about the atoll, but the swimsuit looked a little different than on the fresco.
            The panties look more like the ones I posted.
          2. +6
            27 November 2021 11: 56
            Interestingly, the hand is not a flower, but a real impeller. Why? recourse
            1. +5
              27 November 2021 11: 59
              This is a fragment of a mosaic from Pompeii depicting jugglers. What exactly is in the hands of a woman, I cannot say.
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 13: 30
                If they are jugglers, then it is understandable. I think it's ancient Roman ..... spinner. Probably even then some inadequate citizens were fascinated by this revolving circle.
              2. +2
                27 November 2021 19: 04
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                This is a fragment of a mosaic from Pompeii

                This is a villa in PIAZZA ARMERINA, Sicily
                1. +3
                  27 November 2021 19: 06
                  Thank you!
                  My cant, it was necessary to clarify before ranting.
          3. +5
            27 November 2021 15: 33
            In Miloslav Stingle's childhood, I read in the book "On an Unfamiliar Micronesia" that from the local Micronesian dialects the word "bikini" was translated as "stinker".
      3. +11
        27 November 2021 09: 04
        Fashion is said to be cyclical.
        But the multicolored pants never became the object of the fashionistas' dreams.

        1. +6
          27 November 2021 10: 30
          I wonder if the fashion for masculinity for men and femininity for women will return? Will I live?
          1. +4
            27 November 2021 10: 35
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            I wonder if the fashion for masculinity for men and femininity for women will return? Will I live?

            as relevant
            but you must admit that a man in hosiery can hardly be called the standard of masculinity
            like the flat-chested representatives of the Spanish nobility, the standard of femininity

            I think we can assume that the problem did not arise today or even yesterday
            1. +6
              27 November 2021 11: 25
              I believe that displaying strong, muscular legs is an attempt to demonstrate masculinity. I won't say anything about flat-chested Spanish beauties - I don't know.
              Long hair in ancient times was also considered a sign of a warrior, that is, a sign of masculinity, for it was used, being tied in a bun, as a shock absorber for a helmet, while for other activities it was a hindrance.
              The question is not how people will show their masculinity or femininity, respectively, the question is whether they want men to look masculine again and women - feminine.
              1. +1
                27 November 2021 11: 34
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                I believe that demonstrating strong, muscular legs is an attempt to demonstrate masculinity.

                agree with you in motives

                but still it is closer to the narcissism of bodybuilders than to the masculinity of warriors, the origins of which should be sought in the simplicity and artlessness of the common people rather than the mannerism and courtesy of the nobility.
                1. +1
                  27 November 2021 11: 52
                  If we are talking about the Middle Ages, then the warriors were precisely the representatives of the privileged estates. The common people worked, not fought. Unless you mean a pre-class society, where every man is a worker and a warrior. But then the concept of fashion as such, I think, did not exist yet. You can pay attention to your appearance only at your leisure, of which the peasant does not have a lot of it.
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2021 11: 58
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    If we are talking about the Middle Ages, then the warriors were precisely the representatives of the privileged estates. The common people worked, not fought

                    if we are talking about the Middle Ages, then the privileged class got the least military burdens and risks.
                    it just so happened many times that this knight was needed safe and sound for further redemption.
                    Slept in a tent, not under a cart.
                    I was not grubbing with porridge from the common cauldron.
                    the common people got it most of all.
                    that's why I say that the roots of masculinity must be sought deeper.
                    and not admire the flowering twigs.
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2021 12: 10
                      History speaks, rather, that the peasants did not fight at all, and if they were involved in the war, it was exclusively for the production of black work. The peasant militias, with rare exceptions, had no military value. Unless the Swiss could fight, pile on someone and return to their business, and that, not all.
                      Knights fought with their retinues
                      1. +1
                        27 November 2021 12: 16
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        History says, rather, that the peasants did not fight at all

                        1.
                        they did not fight, but it was they who suffered the most
                        Why do we subconsciously associate courage with direct participation in battle?
                        Is it not the highest valor to take a pitchfork and die defending a wife raped by mercenaries?
                        although they will not sing the praises of the troubadours of the death of an unknown peasant
                        2.
                        isn’t most of the professional hired soldiers (and the same warriors) commoners by origin, for whom the military path is the only way to "break out into the people"?
                      2. +1
                        27 November 2021 13: 23
                        Suffering from war and participating in war are two different things. The feudal lords had a seryad. And she also reproduced herself. From the peasants, yes, they took strong boys ... but rarely.
                      3. +1
                        27 November 2021 13: 28
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Suffering from war and participating in war are two different things

                        it's not about participation in the war, but about courage and masculinity

                        Well, if about participation, all of Europe was spike in detachments of mercenaries that were by no means of noble origin.
                      4. +1
                        27 November 2021 13: 55
                        Agree. The concepts of "warrior" and "courageous man" are not at all identical. Anyone can show courage. But you will agree that simplicity and artlessness are also not an integral sign of courage. The sophistication and courtesy of masculinity is not at all a hindrance.
                      5. +2
                        27 November 2021 14: 01
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        But you will agree that simplicity and artlessness are also not an integral sign of courage.

                        agree
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        The sophistication and courtesy of masculinity is not at all a hindrance.

                        I think it's just a hindrance
                        it is they who become one of the reasons for the phenomenon of male femininity.
                      6. +1
                        27 November 2021 14: 12
                        Quote: Flood
                        they become one of the reasons for the phenomenon of male femininity.

                        I disagree. Among the people who actually proved their courage there were many, both rude and courtly, and in all ages.
                        And the reason for male femininity, and vice versa, should, in my opinion, be sought in something else, and this other thing is already growing from modernity.
                      7. +2
                        27 November 2021 15: 28
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Among the people who actually proved their courage there were many, both rude and courtly, and in all ages.

                        in general, without going into details, there is no point in arguing
                        because in general you are right
                        and in the details, as you know, there is a lot of interesting
                        I think it's all about Babylonian confusion
                        what was previously available to a few and were distinctive features, at once became available to everyone without the obligatory internal content.
                        in the subject with humor
                      8. +1
                        27 November 2021 16: 17
                        I thought about the reasons for this "mixing of the sexes". Puchkov, which the Goblin calls one of the reasons for this garbage, is the lack of proper upbringing: a very small number of male teachers in schools and a large number of single-parent families where a woman is forced to perform the functions of a man.
                        I don’t know, maybe he’s right. You can also speculate about the absence in the modern world of the need to be physically strong in order to survive, about the propaganda of a parasitic lifestyle in the media, etc.
                        But it is certain that this misfortune is the wind of our time.
                      9. +1
                        27 November 2021 15: 01
                        Unless the Swiss could fight
                        I disagree. In the centuries-old butting of the Guelphs, all estates fought with the Ghibellines, except for the first.
                        Michael! hi
                      10. +1
                        27 November 2021 18: 26
                        Greetings, Anton.
                        I know woefully little about the Guelphs and the Ghibelins. And what was it that the commoners really decided something? It's somehow difficult for me to imagine this.
                      11. +3
                        27 November 2021 18: 44
                        The fact is that the very concept of class boundaries in Medieval Italy was rather vague. Can you imagine a representative of the d'Artois family engaged in usury?
                      12. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 22
                        All sorts of miracles happen. Therefore, I ask.
                      13. +3
                        27 November 2021 20: 31
                        Bardi, the oldest Florentine family, the coat of arms is simpler and more ancient than that of some Angevins will be.
                      14. +3
                        27 November 2021 21: 22
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        History speaks, rather, that the peasants did not fight at all, and if they were involved in the war, it was exclusively for the production of black work.
                        The townspeople fought. The Prague citizens crushed 4 crusades against them during the time of the Hussites.
              2. 0
                27 November 2021 21: 20
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Long hair in ancient times was also considered a sign of a warrior, that is, a sign of masculinity, for it was used, being tied in a bun, as a shock absorber for a helmet, while for other activities it was a hindrance.

                I remember reading about the ancient Slavs so they did not cut their hair because. it was believed that power is concentrated in the hair and the one who cuts them loses strength, again Samson and Delilah, cut off his sleeping hair, he lost strength.
              3. 0
                28 November 2021 00: 15
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                I believe that displaying strong, muscular legs is an attempt to demonstrate masculinity. I won't say anything about flat-chested Spanish beauties - I don't know.

                In nature, males are usually prettier, more elegant and brighter than females. They are often larger and more noticeable than females. Well, more active.
                And the fashion for demonstrating muscles has not disappeared anywhere. Yes, and subconsciously sits in females to look for a strong and tall male for mating (especially during ovulation). It's just that the values ​​have changed (resources-money-status in society)
                Females are now privileged and can taste all the masculine, which may enhance her status.
                But on the contrary, it belittles the status of men (it is not for nothing that there is an expression - you behave like a woman, and this is what women say mostly, putting themselves below the bar)
                In peacetime, demonstrations of masculinity are suppressed (such as aggression and violence against women)
                But everything will return to the military.
              4. 0
                28 November 2021 15: 20
                Bravo. It's not about how you look, but who you really are ...
        2. 0
          28 November 2021 10: 11
          This is a chicken. It’s scary to drive up to such a tank.
        3. +2
          1 January 2022 23: 17
          An old article caught my eye
          Believe it or not, right now, this year, it has become fashionable.


          1. 0
            2 January 2022 04: 00
            Quote: Avior
            Believe it or not, right now, this year, it has become fashionable.

            well, finally we waited smile
    2. +13
      27 November 2021 09: 15
      I do not mind when a woman walks around the apartment in a man's shirt
      bikini fashion
      Eh, you ... There is nothing more beautiful than a woman in a vest

      And you shirts, bikinis ...
      1. +12
        27 November 2021 09: 47
        To be honest, without the vest it is much prettier, if there is a corresponding figure, of course. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, I cannot post a photo. bully
        If only from the "Shadow Theater".
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 21: 24
          "The skirt looks best on the back of a chair!"
      2. +1
        1 December 2021 07: 01
        not my type. flat at all.
  6. +9
    27 November 2021 08: 17
    Women's festive suit. Russians. The beginning of the twentieth century

    What the Russians and their costumes looked like at the beginning of the 20th century is unlikely to show anything better than photographs of Prokudin-Gorsky's contemporary [b] [/ b] ...
    .
  7. +7
    27 November 2021 08: 23
    In the next article it will be written how bad things were with stockings in the USSR)))))
    1. +2
      27 November 2021 10: 12
      Quote: Million
      In the next article it will be written how bad things were with stockings in the USSR)))))

      Everything was going well in the USSR. It was destroyed by internal traitors and external Americans, once again deceiving the people. Buratino was sold for Coca Cola, for Toyota Moskvich, for Chanel - Red Bolshevik negative
      Now the people are slaves of mortgages, not having the happiness of standing in line for 10 years for an apartment, through the fault of the communist doctors, they pay the banks Judeo-Interest .. Long live the PRC, the country of the victorious oligarchic communism! Hands off Rashkin, the elk himself is guilty!
      פ.ס.
      Soviet stockings were the most Soviet in the world! fellow
      1. +8
        27 November 2021 10: 58
        sold Pinocchio
        Pinocchio himself sold the alphabet, for a ticket to the Moulin Rouge
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 11: 04
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          sold Pinocchio
          Pinocchio himself sold the alphabet, for a ticket to the Moulin Rouge

          For a piece of Nicole Kidman ... feel
          1. +5
            27 November 2021 11: 30
            What to do, the time has come. bully
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 15: 24
              And where did Malvina get splinters? request Greetings, Konstantin! hi
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 15: 32
                ... where did Malvina get splinters?


                Poorly "sanded", probably. bully But in extreme cases, Pope Carlo Pinocchio drove a carnation, as it was to Malvina, I really don't know. wassat


                Hi Albert! drinks
                1. +2
                  27 November 2021 15: 50
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Badly "sanded", probably

                  Because the Kunislavs died in a small town on the Mediterranean Sea. angry
                  1. +2
                    27 November 2021 16: 28
                    Because the Kunislavs died in a small town on the Mediterranean Sea.

                2. +4
                  27 November 2021 15: 59
                  dad Carlo Pinocchio drove a carnation


                  Nothing human is alien to him at all fellow
                  1. +1
                    27 November 2021 16: 20
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter

                    Nothing human is alien to him at all

                    There is Navalny, and there is Nosalny fellow
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2021 16: 22
                      Body-in-business Yes
              2. +2
                27 November 2021 16: 10
                Where did Malvina get splinters from?

                The question is not so simple wassat
                1. +2
                  27 November 2021 16: 23
                  Angina is not scary to me ...
        2. +1
          28 November 2021 15: 38
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          sold Pinocchio
          Pinocchio himself sold the alphabet, for a ticket to the Moulin Rouge


          according to the latest data. - this is a moulin rouge bought by Buratino))
          1. 0
            28 November 2021 17: 15
            Rulin Husband bought her Buratina?
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    2. +2
      27 November 2021 11: 08
      Exactly! For nylon they strangled, nylon ones did not immediately learn to do in sufficient quantities. And I'm not talking about children's tights. Their deficit was noted even by Voitsknsky and Lukodyanov in their novel "Ur-Son of Sham".
    3. +1
      27 November 2021 16: 25
      I propose a bet: next will be: weapons (he often gives them).
      Out of fashion is likely to choose: Shirts
  8. +7
    27 November 2021 09: 23
    Van Eyck's painting also attracts attention. And from his "Madonnas" is very different. And if a man is wearing a surcoat. That on a woman - a pelison.

    I liked the word. In general, I don't understand anything about these clothes.

    “But pantaloons, a tailcoat, a vest -
    All these words are not in Russian ”(c).
    1. +6
      27 November 2021 10: 09
      Hello, Sergey! hi
      Here, I found another amusing fragment from the picture of "pre-ancient times".
      1. +5
        27 November 2021 10: 25
        Hi Konstantin. What's going on in the picture? Options for helping your neighbor?
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 10: 46
          Yes, it looks like undressing, but the question is, does the client need this "help"? bully

          1. +5
            27 November 2021 10: 57
            So I have the same associations.

            “The bandit loved his neighbors - he doesn’t want a soul
            And if something weighs down their pocket
            He approaches them like an intellectual
            He squeezes out a smile - and makes it easier for his neighbors in a moment ”(c).
      2. +6
        27 November 2021 11: 33
        Here, I found another amusing fragment from the picture of "pre-ancient times".

        This is an illustration from Boccaccio's Decameron, which was printed in 1430 by Jean Mansel.
        The plot is called "Matteuzzo pulls off Judge Nicola's underpants while the latter settles a feigned dispute between Ribi and Mazo del Saggio."
        For what purpose do they take off their panties - you have to read Boccaccio.
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 11: 37
          By the way, "Decameron" for some reason did not catch on.
          1. +5
            27 November 2021 11: 56
            By the way, "Decameron" for some reason did not catch on.

            Probably the erotic and tragic aspects of love in the XIV and XXI centuries are seen in different ways. Still 700 years old, after all.
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 12: 14
              Indeed, it is difficult to understand Boccaccio's feelings for Beatrice, whom he saw twice in his life.
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 12: 38
                Beatrice is kind of Dante's beloved who wrote The Divine Comedy, isn't Boccaccio?
                1. +3
                  27 November 2021 12: 42
                  Crap! I always confuse the subjects of the platonic sighs of medieval writers! We need to make a list somehow or some mnemonic ...
                  1. +4
                    27 November 2021 12: 44
                    In Boccaccio - Fiammetta, the character is even more ephemeral.
                    1. +4
                      27 November 2021 12: 46
                      Petrarch has Laura, but the plague saved him from this addiction.
                      1. +3
                        27 November 2021 13: 00
                        Or the plague, or her husband, who managed to make 11 children in twenty years. What organism can withstand?
                      2. +5
                        27 November 2021 13: 06
                        Having given birth to ten, Alienora, at the age of eighty, cheerfully led the defense of the castle.
                      3. +1
                        28 November 2021 00: 18
                        not all women are capable of such a feat.
                        However, the strongest survived. Natural selection in action.
                    2. 0
                      27 November 2021 16: 22
                      I didn't read Boccaccio at all and didn't even know his name for a long time
                2. +2
                  27 November 2021 14: 16
                  Victor Nikolaevich, I have always believed that Biatrice is Dante's muse.
                  1. +4
                    27 November 2021 14: 22
                    We thought correctly.
              2. +4
                27 November 2021 13: 25
                "To understand the beauty of Leila, you need to look at her through the eyes of Majnun" - an oriental proverb.
          2. +3
            27 November 2021 14: 53
            Quote from Korsar4
            By the way, "Decameron" for some reason did not catch on.

            because it was necessary to read at the age of 16, and not in the "over 30" lol
        2. +4
          27 November 2021 13: 08
          For what purpose do they take off their panties - you have to read Boccaccio.


          Let's turn to François Rabelais again, then they were funny too.

          Once, noticing that a Franciscan monk was going to celebrate Mass in the Great Courtroom, Panurge volunteered to help him dress and don, but, equipping him, he contrived to sew his robe to his cassock and shirt, and as soon as the members of the court sat in their places in anticipation service, he hastened to leave. And when the poor frater uttered Ite, missa est began to take off his robe, he took off his robe and shirt together with her, since all this was tightly sewn to one another, and, stripping himself to the shoulders, he discovered in front of everyone his ornaments, must to believe of impressive size. And the more decisively the frater pulled all this off himself, the more he exposed himself, until finally one of the members of the court cried out: “What is this? kiss in the ass! " Since then, the poor honest fathers were ordered to expose themselves only in their sacristy, but in no case in front of everyone, especially not in front of women, so as not to lead them into temptation. When someone asked why the fraters had such long ouds, Panurge solved the problem perfectly every time.

          “Donkeys have long ears,” he explained, “because their queens, as De Alliaco states in their Suppositiones, don’t put a cap on their heads. For the same reason, the causal place among the holy fathers is so long that they do not wear underpants.
          fellow
        3. +1
          27 November 2021 14: 20
          "while the latter settles a feigned dispute" so he will think next time: to settle the dispute or not.?
    2. +5
      27 November 2021 10: 39
      What surprises me most about this picture is the absence of a crucifix on the wall.
      1. +5
        27 November 2021 11: 01
        In my opinion, the situation is full of allegories. If I may say so.

        By the way, if you look at the mirror in close-up, then on the frame are sons from the life of Christ, including the crucifixion.
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 11: 10
          Yes, it shouldn't, until Bosch is still half a century
          1. +2
            27 November 2021 11: 20
            There were allegories even before Bosch. For example, Giotto has a whole cycle.
            1. +2
              27 November 2021 11: 27
              Probably, we put different meanings into the concept itself.
              1. +2
                27 November 2021 11: 33
                Yes. It is important to give a definition here when discussing.
                And so - just the mood is caught.
        2. +3
          27 November 2021 11: 27

          I tried it, I can't see anything.
          1. +4
            27 November 2021 11: 31
            Look on the net where a separate mirror from this picture is located.
            1. +3
              27 November 2021 11: 36
              Found, there is a crucifix.
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 11: 38
                Yes. There can be no "Passion of Christ" without crucifixion.
          2. +2
            27 November 2021 11: 46
            that's where you can see two in the reflection (four in total)
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Van_Eyck_-_Arnolfini_PortraitFXD.jpg
        3. +5
          27 November 2021 11: 43
          I am not talking about that. Arnolfini are depicted in the interior of the bedroom, the crucifix must be present in it, and not far from the bed.
  9. +6
    27 November 2021 11: 20
    I can't remember asking for an article about fashion. I would prefer a review article about outstanding women of the Early, Middle and Late Middle Ages. Well, almost nothing is known! But surely there were poetesses, writers, artists and scientists among them.
    Fashion turns a woman into a toy for a man, thanks to which he evaluates a woman by texture, and this becomes part of his mentality. To see this, take a look at the photos posted by the men in the comments above.
    1. +5
      27 November 2021 11: 30
      I would prefer a review article about outstanding women of the Early, Middle and Late Middle Ages. Well, almost nothing is known!
      It is known, and a lot! It is not possible to write a review article there, but a series of articles.
      1. +3
        27 November 2021 11: 37
        Anton, I am grateful to you for understanding me.
        And if we talk about clothing, then exclusively about its transformation over time, when the needs of convenience give rise to industrial technology of embodiment, then production brings out new types of clothing, more fully satisfying the needs for convenience, and so - along the spiral of development, when the interconnection of technologies and needs gives rise to progress.
        1. +2
          27 November 2021 11: 51
          Anton, I am grateful to you for understanding me.
          It's just that I myself have been interested in this topic for several years. And it turns out an interesting thing: the Middle Ages was one of the most convenient historical eras for women.
          1. +3
            27 November 2021 12: 25
            The Middle Ages was one of the most comfortable historical eras for women.

            Yes, I remember, you already said that once, but the matter did not go beyond the statement, and it’s a pity, I would have read the proof with great curiosity. Just as one example.
            1. +3
              27 November 2021 12: 29
              Well, I will try, unless of course Vyacheslav Olegovich the blanket pretends to be. However, this is a matter of gentlemen's agreement.
              1. +3
                27 November 2021 13: 43
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                the blanket does not pretend to be.

                Will not outweigh. I will only be glad if you, Anton, take up this topic. In the 90s, at a book fair in Moscow, I saw a French gender history textbook of the Middle Ages, where it was written as a history of women, not men. But since fr. I don't know the language, I just looked at the pictures. But they also impressed. I wanted to repeat it in Russian, but ... it didn't work.
                1. +4
                  27 November 2021 13: 49
                  gender history textbook of the Middle Ages,
                  Outrageous feminism causes only negative emotions in me. However, like any other obsession.
                  1. +3
                    27 November 2021 16: 08
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    gender history textbook of the Middle Ages,
                    Outrageous feminism causes only negative emotions in me. However, like any other obsession.

                    Well, I am not calling for extremes. But the "extreme" and our textbook for the 6th grade, in which there are almost no women at all, and their role is minimized.
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2021 16: 09
                      This despite the fact that it was written by a woman!
                      1. +2
                        27 November 2021 18: 42
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        This despite the fact that it was written by a woman!

                        These are the best textbooks that we used to receive the "best in the world" education. By the way, girls in school have a subject: "Service Labor". And boys don't have it ... What is this if not gender discrimination? Why should a girl be able to cook and a man not? Such patriarchal imbalances in education still exist in our country! In the 21st century!
                      2. +1
                        27 November 2021 18: 55
                        Yes, I’m not in general claims to Abigalova. It is clear that she had to keep within the framework of "historical materialism", in which there was no place for women, but only for comrades-in-arms in the struggle. But now, you are right, the pendulum has swung in the other direction.
                    2. +1
                      27 November 2021 21: 37
                      Quote: kalibr
                      But the "extreme" and our textbook for the 6th grade, in which there are almost no women at all, and their role is minimized.
                      The number of mentions of women in this textbook corresponds to the number of reasons for this created by women of the Middle Ages. Joan of Arc is there, several queens are mentioned. Who did you not find information about (time range 5-15 centuries)? I've not read only about the woman-dad (from what I learned later).
      2. +2
        27 November 2021 15: 13
        "The whole cycle" I would read with pleasure.
        The Middle Ages and the Renaissance are very interesting topics.
        In the Middle Ages, as it were, they competed in savagery.
        I would not have survived there for more than a day.
        And Vozrozhdenie this period is more pleasant to me. I would not have ended up living at that time at the court of the Duke of Milan
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 15: 26
          In the Middle Ages, as it were, they competed in savagery.
          1. A very common misconception.
          2. At the court of Visconti or Sforza, you would not last even a couple of hours.
          1. +1
            27 November 2021 17: 39
            His Excellency did not have reliable replacement adjutants.
            1. +1
              27 November 2021 17: 41
              And methods against Kostya Saprykin.
          2. +1
            28 November 2021 00: 27
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            At the court of Visconti or Sforza, you would not have lasted even a couple of hours.

            Well, I would have to eat a lot of sweets and always take iron hydroxide .. (arsenic / cantarella)
            Wear dagger mail and swim well ..
            Better yet, get away from the major cities of Italy.
            Popadants in that Italy have nothing to do .. It was certainly possible to go to Cesare, but not the fact that he understood you.
            1. 0
              28 November 2021 00: 36
              Katya will not pass the elementary test for the subject to cross correctly. Two mistakes on this simple action, committed a hundred times a day, and hello Dominican brothers!
    2. +3
      27 November 2021 11: 52
      he evaluates a woman by texture,


      But what else ?! Something I have not met men who married a "crocodile" with a degree. request
      1. +5
        27 November 2021 12: 16
        I met.
        And I met such people who married crocodiles in order to get a Moscow residence permit.
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 13: 15
          [quote] to get a Moscow residence permit. [/ quote

          Well, there are as many of them as you like, and they marry the janitor's dog. hi Not an example.
          1. +5
            27 November 2021 13: 31
            Kostya, you are not agreeable today drinks )))
            What does "not an example" mean? In my memory, the most beautiful girls usually remained unmarried and were unhappy in life. Maybe because the "crocodiles" agreed to put on vests and men's shirts on their naked bodies, but the beauties did not? wassat )))
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 14: 23
              Kostya, you are not agreeable today

              Already accommodating - I was fed.
              In my memory, the most beautiful girls usually remained unmarried and were unhappy in life.

              So it happens when brains are not attached to beauty, thank God all women are different, some for life, others for spending time. drinks
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 14: 45
                Kostya! love )))
                This "I was fed" caused an attack of emotion. Do you feel the flow of heat in your direction? Envelopes? This is from me! )))
                I always feel sorry for hungry men. In men, the energy is higher, they are nervous because of hunger. And then the siege of Genoa seemed to be out of place, and Masséna was besieged. Soon the famine began and it was so strong that the guards were allowed to sit - they could no longer stand! And they stopped sending guards to the prisoners. Because the prisoners had already eaten their leather packs and began to eat their boots. This is who they were. ..
                Yes, a hungry man is angry, a very hungry man is weak. But the most hungry becomes the most dangerous - forces come from somewhere wassat )))
                1. +4
                  27 November 2021 14: 50
                  But the most hungry becomes the most dangerous - the forces of wassat come from somewhere)))

                  But this is already a completely different kind of hunger. bully
                  1. +4
                    27 November 2021 15: 37
                    this is already a completely different kind of hunger

                    If you think about it, there are many varieties of hunger - spiritual, stomach, sexual ...
                    And you can't tell which one is more harmless wassat )))
                    1. +3
                      27 November 2021 15: 43
                      brass,


                      Spiritual famine! wassat bully
                      1. +4
                        27 November 2021 16: 08
                        Spiritual famine!

                        And then the glued spines of books and the leather covers of tomes are eaten? How much spiritual food has been eaten in recent centuries!
            2. +5
              27 November 2021 15: 37
              In my memory, the most beautiful girls are usually

              It also happens Yes
        2. +4
          27 November 2021 14: 31
          My grandmother said that in the post-war period, nonresident students willingly married Muscovite models in order to have an apartment with a residence permit.
          Allegedly, this was a ditty among students.
      2. +4
        27 November 2021 13: 44
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Something I have not met men who married a "crocodile" with a degree.

        It happens, it happens, Constantine ...
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 13: 52
          Of course it happens. Unfortunately, I cannot cite here an anecdote about a fisherman who married a beggar scarecrow. It’s painfully physiological, or something, anecdote, I mean. drinks
        2. +2
          27 November 2021 16: 34
          Quote: kalibr
          It happens, it happens, Constantine ...

          And more often than it seems)).
    3. +3
      27 November 2021 14: 24
      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I asked Vyacheslav Olegovich to continue the cycle
    4. +3
      27 November 2021 16: 03
      "so I ask for an article about fashion" You are not the only woman on the site
    5. 0
      28 November 2021 00: 22
      Quote: depressant
      But surely there were poetesses, writers, artists and scientists among them.

      There are articles on warhed about women of that time.
      About their exploits. Well, or business. Those are still persons. Well, except for Jeanne.
      I especially remember Lady Macbeth and the duelist. Loved everyone. And Shakespeare vulgarized the first.
  10. +5
    27 November 2021 11: 39
    By the way, women, striving to give spirituality and sophistication to their appearance, in the XI-XII centuries. they began to shave their foreheads, pluck their eyebrows and wear high caps.
    ...I do not even know request and where is spirituality and sophistication with a shaved head sad unless the lice start winked

    "Portrait of a Lady" by the Dutch artist Rogier van der Weyden, 1460
    1. +5
      27 November 2021 12: 03
      The Maya considered one of the signs of female beauty to be squint ...
      1. +4
        27 November 2021 12: 06
        strabismus was considered.
        laughing
        Anton hi
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 12: 08
          My respect, Sergey! hi
          A ball was specially tied to a lock of hair for its development, even in infancy.
      2. +4
        27 November 2021 13: 27
        And in the mumbo-jumbo tribe, teeth were grinded, or like this:
        1. +3
          27 November 2021 13: 38
          Neck rings are no less spectacular.
          1. +3
            27 November 2021 13: 49
            Exactly! There is generally a complete ATAS. bully

        2. +5
          27 November 2021 14: 50
          or like this:

          I have been familiar with this "or like this" for a long time from the illustrations. And the question is always: how do they eat? Maybe this plate is removable? I have no idea how to live with it. And the lady looks rather bleak.
          1. +3
            27 November 2021 14: 53
            how do they eat?

            They put food on this plate, throw their head back and swallow. wassat A big plus - no need to wash the dishes. bully
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 15: 41
              A big plus - no need to wash the dishes.

              You think they salivate on a plate, and then stick out their long, long tongue and lick the rest? wassat )))
          2. +5
            27 November 2021 15: 43
            Quote: depressant
            Maybe this plate is removable? I have no idea how to live with it. And the lady looks rather bleak.

            The plate is removed. But it's indecent without her. Therefore, he rides, covering his mouth. The worst thing is to run. You have to support with your hands. And if it bursts, it's a disaster!
            1. +4
              27 November 2021 16: 03
              The plate is removed. But it's indecent without her.

              It's like wearing a pajack, with a tie, but in shorts - they forgot to wear trousers.
          3. +1
            27 November 2021 21: 46
            Quote: depressant
            I have no idea how to live with it. And the lady looks rather bleak.
            This device made it possible to avoid being taken into slavery.
        3. +3
          27 November 2021 16: 35
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And in the mumbo-jumbo tribe, teeth were grinded, or like this:

          Lip no fool
          1. +4
            27 November 2021 16: 46
            But there are problems with the brains. wassat

            1. +3
              27 November 2021 16: 48
              Quote: Sea Cat
              But there are problems with the brains. wassat


              Well, when Voronezh, say, businessmen want to cheat, for example, Milanese, it looks about the same)).
              1. +3
                27 November 2021 17: 55
                Skomorokhov will be offended, he seems to be from Voronezh. Yes
                1. +4
                  27 November 2021 18: 38
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Skomorokhov will be offended, he seems to be from Voronezh. Yes

                  Well, Krasnodar lol
      3. 0
        28 November 2021 00: 34
        "Lotus leg" China.
        Yes, every nation has its own cockroaches about beauty.
        In Russia, they are thigh-strong and the braid is long ..
        Miniaturization then came from China and Japan. (By the way, fashion change)
        Thanks to the global world, we have mixed the canons of the world's beauty and received a modern standard of beauty.
    2. +3
      27 November 2021 12: 06
      unless lice start winked

      So this was the same problem.
    3. +4
      27 November 2021 12: 20
      Well, if you want sophistication and spirituality to the fullest, check out the masterpieces by Carlo Crivelli.
      1. +5
        27 November 2021 12: 37
        Crivelli with models is clearly more fortunate than Eik laughing
        1. +4
          27 November 2021 13: 05
          Oh, you are using a new smiley!)))
          And here I am thinking with concern: God forbid, they will replace my favorite funny smiley ---> wassat )))
          And what I will do?
          As for Crivelli, it's the same - Venice, the city of money, means wealth, from where the whole modern banking system came from, and not at all some sniffed province. They took the most beautiful and well-behaved wives, the money allowed them to buy beauty.
          1. +4
            27 November 2021 13: 10
            Nevertheless, looking at the faces in his works, one involuntarily thinks about Buratino's mother ...
            1. +2
              27 November 2021 13: 25
              Well, in what form were the Madonnas supposed to appear? Looking at the men depicted on the same icons, should a resemblance to Pope Pinocchio come to mind? )))
              However, I noticed the type: the male faces, although well-behaved, resemble the faces of those characters from medieval chronicles who murdered enemies with voluptuousness. Hence the conclusion: in different situations, medieval persons took different expressions, as required by tradition. Even now, in many cases, this is the case, and only the most ill-mannered do not understand this, for which they grab a lulla. Well, or they are snatched away from them.
              1. +2
                27 November 2021 13: 37
                Well, in what form were the Madonnas supposed to appear?
                In different ways.

                Patroness of Catalonia.
                1. +2
                  27 November 2021 13: 40
                  Patroness of Catalonia.

                  Has the silver turned dark? )))
                  1. +3
                    27 November 2021 13: 45
                    No. The sculpture is carved from wood (poplar). She is more than eight centuries old. This is not the only depiction of the Black Madonna.
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2021 14: 28
                      She is more than eight centuries old. This is not the only depiction of the Black Madonna.


                      So the tree darkened or was it specially painted black? Or, judging by the shine, the varnish has darkened over time?
                      1. +3
                        27 November 2021 14: 37
                        specially painted black
                        This one, yes. In the image and likeness of its predecessor, which was newfound.
                      2. +3
                        27 November 2021 15: 21
                        In the image and likeness of its predecessor, which was newfound.

                        I asked about the question.
                        In 1095, an Ecumenical Council was held in Claremont-Ferrand, and Pope Urban is now said to have found impressive words to encourage huge masses of armed men to march to the liberation of the Holy Sepulcher. The society was extremely inspired by this - both for religious reasons and, one must think, for purely utilitarian reasons, and the campaigns were started. And it was at this time, first in Spain, and then in France, black Madonnas began to spread, and now there are 150 of them. And no one can say for sure whether the appearance of black Madonnas is connected with the idea of ​​the Crusades. In any case, they are credited with tremendous healing properties. I believe there were healings. Due to the internal reserves of the body, mobilized by a deep belief in a miracle.
                      3. +3
                        27 November 2021 15: 31
                        And it was at this time, first in Spain, and then in France, black Madonnas began to spread
                        In Russia too?
                      4. +2
                        27 November 2021 15: 45
                        And what about Russia? I always believed that the faces of the Russian Madonnas were darkened by candle wax and lamp oil. In any case, in our chapel (not in the church) they sell icons with quite bright faces of Madonnas.
                      5. +2
                        27 November 2021 15: 48
                        At least one dark-faced icon of the Virgin is known
                      6. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 18
                        Well, at least about ten dark-faced Russian Mothers of God. I had a bunch of postcards. The Mother of God is all tanned, not black, the features are Slavic. Postcards of the Soviet era. They are packed somewhere. Ocher. She gives that look. Again, in temples there is evaporation from candles, lamps, human bodies.
                        I’m looking, in my western room the white walls at the top have slightly turned yellow. Tobacco smoke, I smoke there)))
                      7. +1
                        27 November 2021 16: 21
                        in the west room
                        Are you intensifying the greenhouse effect in Western Europe?
                      8. +1
                        27 November 2021 16: 27
                        Are you intensifying the greenhouse effect in Western Europe?

                        No, Anton, in Russia! To warm the climate. And he went crazy - swing! It is warm, then cold. It will be necessary to adjust the time of smoking sessions in order to equalize the climate. I confess I'm guilty! wassat )))
                      9. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 30
                        It will be necessary to adjust the time of smoking sessions in order to equalize the climate.
                        Do not forget to inform the St. Petersburg "Spetstrans".
                      10. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 43
                        Do not forget to inform the St. Petersburg "Spetstrans".

                        By all means! ...
                        What for? )))
                      11. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 48
                        This office is engaged in cleaning the streets here. The winter before last was snowless and these female dogs were so relaxed that they managed to steal that little money allocated for last year's winter. And winter has suddenly come!
                      12. +2
                        27 November 2021 17: 07
                        We have the same story. There was an office that regularly took out the garbage, everything is fine, we changed the office, put other containers. And now they are filled up to the top and around with bags of garbage, because they began to take out once every two weeks. Presumably, one ride a week is real, and in the second week - on paper, the municipality puts money in its pocket, rolling part of it to the cleaners. Everything went haywire. And no matter how much I smoke, I can't cope with kickbacks and theft. Neither in my case nor in your (((
                      13. +3
                        27 November 2021 17: 11
                        “- ... the scoundrels Eskimos do not want to learn the German language, - continued the volunteer, - although the Ministry of Education, Mr. Corporal, not stopping at expenses and human sacrifices, built schools for them. Then five architects-builders froze and ...
                        “The bricklayers escaped,” Schweik interrupted him. “They warmed themselves up by smoking pipes.
                        - Not all, - objected the volunteer, - a misfortune happened to two. They forgot to inhale, their pipes went out, the poor fellows had to be buried in ice ”(c).
                      14. +3
                        27 November 2021 17: 17
                        Sergey, appreciated! love )))
                        Hasek is immortal, like his Svejk. Here I had a conversation with Anton about which works are immortal. You have resolved the dispute. Those that are always relevant.
                      15. +3
                        27 November 2021 15: 56
                        The monastery on Montserrat, dedicated to the Black Madonna, was founded 70 years before the first crusade
                      16. +1
                        27 November 2021 16: 20
                        founded 70 years before the first crusade

                        So, maybe the monastery and urged Pope Urban to the idea of ​​the Crusades? )))
                      17. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 26
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you will at least decide for yourself what happened at the beginning, the Black Madonnas or the Crusades, the reasons for which I have already told.
                      18. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 32
                        You will at least decide for yourself what was in the beginning, the Black Madonnas or the Crusades

                        As follows from various sources, for a thousand years, experts have not decided, and you demand from me such mental stress in the process of determination, which I am simply not capable of wassat )))
                      19. +1
                        27 November 2021 16: 38
                        Did I demand something? Just noted that you wrote two comments with mutually exclusive theses.
                      20. +1
                        27 November 2021 17: 00
                        You wrote two comments with mutually exclusive theses.

                        Well. Let's head on 25 April 2018 to an article on the VO website titled "Montserrat. A Monastery on the Split Mountain". No attribution is given where I found this article. Therefore, I apologize in advance if I incorrectly attribute this article to Vyacheslav Olegovich.
                        Here's what it says:
                        The Benedictine monks also built the first basilica there, and when it was consecrated, the statue of the Madonna "agreed" to leave its cave and move to a more appropriate place for it.

                        Even then, Madonna’s face and hands were of a dark color, but the Baby in her lap and the sphere in her right hand, which could be touched to fulfill her cherished desire, was not yet at that time. Both the baby and this sphere were made only in the XVIII century. But why is it dark? Was it really Madonna was a black woman? Negretta - “little black”, as the Catalans call it, owes its appearance to antiquity. Then, in pre-Gothic time, the Christian basilicas were small, with low arches. And it is clear that in such premises soot from candles all subjects covered with a thick layer. But if gold can be washed from gold and silver, then it is eaten tightly into porous wood. So, over time, the wooden parts of this sculpture and acquired its own characteristic dark color.


                        If we count the date of the foundation of the monastery from the moment the cave basilica was opened, which in fact was not a monastery, and the monastery was gradually being completed, then we can assume that the healing effect of the black Madonna was really known earlier, as well as the fact that it was not known. And it became known exactly when the holy throne needed it, and the monastery received the name of the Black Madonna.
                        So experts are racking their brains over this. The secret of the church.
                      21. +1
                        27 November 2021 17: 11
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you may not have noticed, I already wrote that this sculpture is a copy of an earlier image and is deliberately executed in black. The original was lost at the turn of the X-XI centuries.
                        And Shpakovsky really did have an article about Montserrat Monastery.
                      22. +1
                        27 November 2021 17: 26
                        The original was lost at the turn of the X-XI centuries.

                        And let's dwell on your opinion as correct? I’m not a bore, and I’m not ready to insist on my own conclusions, which are just speculative, hence idle. I rely on your historical instinct, since you were substantively engaged in the history of the Middle Ages, and I did not drinks )))
                      23. +1
                        27 November 2021 17: 38
                        The Lord is with you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I do not at all insist that my opinion is the a priori truth in the last instance. On the contrary, what I thought was true yesterday is refuted by what I read today. Cognition is not stasis, but a continuous process, especially in historical science.
                      24. +1
                        27 November 2021 17: 54
                        How can I understand that, Anton! Well, imagine, for a month I was finalizing one of the intermediate theorems, Lemma 4. All the last week I was carefully copying it onto sheets, and tonight it suddenly struck - but that's how it should be! I got up at half past three, wrote it down hastily, but today I stupidly look: how much to rewrite! How many reference positions to place differently, it means that everything created is on the side, how much paper is gone, but it is no longer being sold ...
                        And that's how historians are. They will build a building, and then some fact is revealed, which crosses out all the previous works. Once I thought that the thorny path of knowledge is thorny because the brain doesn’t call, it’s hard to think. And he is thorny because the mocking noosphere and fortune do not spare the researcher, they wait when they make a mistake, gigglingly observe when, gaining confidence, he accelerates along the chosen path, and, glancing at each other and nodding their heads at each other, throw a fact or idea onto the road. And now the stunned researcher, stumbling over the thrown, groans agonizingly: "Bli-i-in! But how is that?!?"
                        And life is short!
                        Hmmm ...
                      25. +1
                        27 November 2021 19: 03
                        Suddenly it became curious, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, have you ever been interested in the development of mathematics in Medieval Europe?
                      26. +1
                        27 November 2021 19: 50
                        I was interested. In my opinion, German universities have made the greatest contributions to mathematics. They systematized concepts, gave them designations and clearly defined their meaning. Only after this did mathematics as a whole move forward, as they say, by leaps and bounds. Because before that there was no general clear idea of ​​what this or that concept meant. Mathematicians seemed to speak different languages. And not because some were Germans, others were French, and so on, but because they did not agree in the meanings of concepts. Here I am now, developing something new, which was not there before, and I will stop at this. The most important thing is to introduce a number of clear definitions, show how they work, and only then move forward. And I was in a hurry - "After! After! The main thing is to develop an idea!" Well, I did. And now I get stuck at every step. For without a rigorous rationale for every little detail, mathematicians simply do not exist. And this general contribution of Germans to the world mathematical school is colossally underestimated.
                      27. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 03
                        In my opinion, German universities have made the greatest contributions to mathematics.
                        Italian. The first more or less intelligible textbook of mathematics was written by Fibonacci, at the very beginning of the XIII century.
                        Until then - complete darkness!
                      28. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 14
                        The first more or less intelligible textbook of mathematics was written by Fibonacci, at the very beginning of the XIII century.
                        Until then - complete darkness!

                        I will not argue, knowing your addiction to Fibonacci and its numerical sequence, which still works. But then mathematics approached new horizons, and it was here that there was complete darkness. And with the Germans it happened because the natural sciences were in a complete enclosure, the funding went on a leftover principle. They taught mainly theology and economics, so mathematicians did what was allowed, because they did not encroach on the foundations of theology)))
                      29. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 25
                        Is mathematics a natural science? Now you just surprised me!
                      30. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 53
                        And where did I say that mathematics belongs to the natural sciences?)))
                        I simply abbreviated the comment on the basis that you understand what is at stake. They banned the teaching of chemistry, physics, biology, etc., which cannot exist without mathematics, which means that it is necessary only on a leftover principle, if only it was a servant of economic calculations.
                      31. +1
                        27 November 2021 20: 58
                        Oh wei! Sorry missed the syllogism ...
                      32. +1
                        27 November 2021 21: 05
                        You Anton, you didn't miss the syllogism, you dropped it wassat )))
                      33. +2
                        27 November 2021 21: 13
                        I crashed, probably into fine crystal splashes ... What can I do, I'm so clumsy ...
                      34. +2
                        27 November 2021 21: 45
                        It's hard to find a black cat in a dark room ... especially if it's not there
                      35. +2
                        27 November 2021 21: 49
                        I did not promise anyone that it would be "easy and profitable" to communicate with me. On the contrary, I always warn you that it will be difficult, sweaty and penniless.
                      36. +1
                        27 November 2021 21: 59
                        On the contrary, I always warn you that it will be difficult, sweaty and penniless.


                        He made me smile from ear to ear! )))
                      37. +1
                        27 November 2021 21: 57
                        What can I do, I'm so clumsy ...

                        Come on, Anton! Your syllogism was quite viable for itself. My fault is that the picture is not fully depicted. This is how sitcoms are built in cinema. Actually in the plays.
                        I remember that this caused me wild discontent when watching Brazilian and Mexican TV shows. How the heroes do not trust each other, I thought. As if they are deliberately looking for excuses to delightfully indulge in mistrust and resentment. And everyone is dressed in fashion - in white wassat )))
                      38. +1
                        27 November 2021 21: 50
                        Everyone draws from themselves. For example, here are oriental icons:

                        And this one is western:
                      39. 0
                        27 November 2021 22: 04
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Everyone draws from themselves. For example, here are oriental icons:

                        And this one is western:

                        "Western" is Apache madonna and child
                      40. +1
                        27 November 2021 22: 08
                        Quote: Liam
                        "Western" is Apache Madonna and Child
                        Well, yes: "Wild West", where to the west.
                  2. +3
                    27 November 2021 15: 45
                    No! That was how she was. Therefore, it is called the "Black Madonna". There is a hole in the glass for a hand to kiss!
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2021 15: 54
                      There is a hole in the glass for a hand to kiss!

                      How many microbes have accumulated there ...
                      Or maybe it was so?
                      They ordered a sculpture of the Madonna, the masters cut it out, and the painters mixed up the colors, or the mixture turned out to be such because of an unaccounted impurity, the Madonna darkened, the customer was indignant, and then they came to the conclusion that the thing was holy, it was impossible to dispose of it, and announced that healing madonna. The people rushed and further healing according to the principle of faith in them. This is how the fashion for black faces went - among the Madonnas, of course. I don't think any of the women started smearing their faces with soot.
                      1. +1
                        27 November 2021 18: 49
                        I was in a number of holy places, both in Spain and Cyprus, but I did not touch the surfaces with my lips. k- that's all. And some of them lick straight - mmm. Ugh!
                      2. +1
                        27 November 2021 19: 59
                        but did not touch the surfaces with his lips. k- that's all.

                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, someone does not approve of you)))
            2. -1
              28 November 2021 00: 41
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              faces in his works, you involuntarily think about Buratino's mother ...

              yes there is a lot to see if you want. UFO though
        2. +5
          27 November 2021 13: 24
          Crivelli with models is clearly more fortunate than Eik

          How to say it, in terms of models. Here, for example, a model named Giovanni, probably all the same "working name" like "Eustace", which is "Alex". bully
          1. +3
            27 November 2021 13: 49
            No matter what forum I just go to read, even the Publicist, even Zen and others are the same, everywhere I am haunted by this face - both in the form of pictures from pictures, and in the form of cartoons. And already reproduced twice in this discussion. That's how it is --- "fashionable"!
            Interestingly, the fashion for faces manifested itself through accessible reproduction of details. For example, tendrils of unwanted mention or sideburns of someone.
            1. +5
              27 November 2021 14: 19
              I don’t get along on Zen and other things, only when the men give a tip to something.
              And as for the fashion for faces and everything else, this is pure monkey, did not suffer from this even in his youth, there were no flares, no hooves on the platform. And in general, when it comes to fashion, the first thing that comes to mind is you, lovely ladies. Yes
              Like Masyanya.
              1. +4
                27 November 2021 14: 33
                Yes, I have seen one of the cartoons about Masyanya. Either because of the poor mind, or something seriously distracted me, I still did not understand what the attractiveness of this character is, what is its generalizing direction. I decided that watching this is not respecting myself, a waste of time. Therefore, references to Masyana as a reinforcing argument of your thought do not work for me, use heavier weapons wassat )))
                1. +3
                  27 November 2021 14: 47
                  attractiveness of a given character

                  It's not about attractiveness, but about "coolness", Masyanya is a rather funny and witty parody of those who thoughtlessly follow fashion and do not know a sense of proportion.
                  If you were struck by the beauty of a woman, but you cannot remember what she was wearing, then she was dressed perfectly. (Ungaro)
                  Source: https://www.diets.ru/post/674774/
                  1. +4
                    27 November 2021 15: 33
                    Masyanya is a rather funny and witty parody of those who thoughtlessly follow fashion and do not know a sense of proportion.

                    I won't be mistaken if I admit that Masyanya appeared when the shelves and hangers of the shops began to empty.
                    Ungaro's aphorism liked good )))
                    On the other hand, ideal does not mean excessively fashionable. Not so long ago I had a chance to look at a photograph of the Warburg family. Their clothes have come into sharp conflict with their own status in this world - they can afford any luxury! But they are not dressed "perfectly" because they are modest. Therefore, I remembered what they were wearing)))
                    1. +3
                      27 November 2021 15: 36
                      Why are they chasing fashion? They are already quite self-sufficient.
                      1. +4
                        27 November 2021 15: 59
                        They are already quite self-sufficient.

                        Still not self-sufficient! The personal trillions of these people, interested people are not even able to count. And what does this mean? What really matters is not fashion, but progress in the implementation of convenience. In different versions. So that they do not look alike.
                      2. +2
                        27 November 2021 16: 34
                        it is not fashion that matters, but progress in the implementation of convenience.

                        That's right! Yes
    4. +2
      27 November 2021 14: 49
      I totally agree with you: it's scary to look at her. She appears to have undergone chemotherapy.
      I have a friend who took 2 courses of radiation. The husband left, and then took away his daughter. Hoped that she would commit suicide. We conspired and stole the girl from him
      1. +3
        27 November 2021 14: 56
        stole a girl from him
        Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 126
        1. +2
          27 November 2021 15: 26
          If you know the CC well, perhaps say: before vision before suicide. It's good?
          Then daughters are better with their mother than various stepmothers
          1. +5
            27 November 2021 15: 35
            This is article 110.
  11. +3
    27 November 2021 14: 07
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, Colleagues, good afternoon.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for not forgetting women's interests.
    I'm surprised the thick legs were trendy. In our class, EVERYTHING threw Zharikova Lenka: she had thin and slender legs, and we called her Fat from the start.
    About eight years ago, I met her by chance and even though they practically did not speak at school, they met and could not stop talking
  12. +3
    27 November 2021 14: 34
    I wish everyone a good day and good mood.
    Thank you for the material. I liked the illustrations very much.
    My mom has a photo and she's wearing such boots.
    She said that she only had such boots. She was very proud
  13. +1
    27 November 2021 15: 51
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, probably in the 16th century, printed books were not expensive? A soldier with a book
    1. 0
      27 November 2021 18: 47
      Most likely it is a prayer book. They - yes, they were already published in huge quantities, especially in England and Italy.
  14. +1
    28 November 2021 15: 16
    To the author +, but the theme of the codpiece is not disclosed wassat
  15. 0
    11 February 2022 16: 37
    Stockings came to Europe with the Huns. Like the equipment of an equestrian warrior. Well, a knight on a horse at the same time. Therefore, commoners wear pants, and respected people wear stockings.