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Moral revival of civil society in Russia

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Sociologist Talcott Parsons (1902–1979) defined society as a system of relationships between people based on the norms and values ​​that form culture.

The main thesis of T. Parsons is that society is a complex system of social elements (groups, institutions, individuals) in a state of active interaction, guided by value systems that have a priori origin.

T. Parsons believed that the sources of social self-movement should be sought in non-economic factors, the dominant among which is morality (morality, spirituality). It is the system of moral values ​​shared by people that allows them to integrate into society, which at the next stage turns out to be represented in the interaction of social institutions, while production activity is only a particular aspect of this interaction.

The relations of structural units are built on the basis of functions that ensure the survival of society as a whole, T. Parsons identified four types of such functions:

1. Adaptation (the problem of rational organization and distribution of resources).

2. Goal orientation (the problem of defining goals).

3. Integration (the problem of maintaining the internal unity of the system - mandatory norms, rules, etc.).

4. Maintaining a model (the problem of motivation and alignment of personal motives with the goals and values ​​of society).

At present, the adaptation period has ended in our country. The period of goal-orientation and integration has not yet begun, which obviously explains the stagnation (crisis) in all spheres of people's lives.

I propose that the goal of society be defined as moral revival.

So, what is the technology of the moral (spiritual) revival of civil society in Russia?

Justification, formulation and essence of the problem


The rationalism of our century and time in its historical movement "neglected" the moral values ​​developed by previous generations. It got to the point that adults began to forget, and children could not and cannot acquire the traditions of the people, which destroys the connection of times and weakens the nation.

So, a Russian person has always lived, solved the problem transmitted to him from the depths of centuries like this: "How to live in order to be holy?"

Why is this understanding of the essence of being, saving for every person, disappeared from life, remaining in the past?

And if “on the march” of economic transformations the secondary importance of morality was not perceived as a danger, then in the last decades of the XNUMXth and early XNUMXst centuries the social and moral infrastructure turned out to be the weakest and most vulnerable.

The lack of attention to the social and moral training of the younger generation and adults fully explains the economic and social difficulties of our time, which are recorded in all countries: the decline in morality, the increase in crime and drug addiction, a decrease in interest in intellectual development, a lack of understanding of the salvation and nobility of any labor society needs , the manifestation of the motives of apathy, parasitism, nihilism, dependency, infantilism, hedonism, etc.

Management of upbringing is necessary to create such an infrastructure that would be most conducive to increasing the spiritual potential of the child and adult population of a single educational space, the central institution of which is the state, represented by television. The start of the implementation, including the constant maintenance, management of education in our time is possible only through a modern means of mass communication (television), including through the speeches of the top officials of the state.

When managing social and humanitarian systems, correctly implemented target forecasting is of fundamental importance, on the basis of which the system is modeled (life, human behavior in a given environment and situation), technologies are selected to achieve a result determined by the criteria for its assessment.

In the upbringing of people, this approach has not yet received sufficient practical application, which does not allow the purposeful formation of such relations between people that would allow the individual to behave steadily in the time measured by his birth, to overcome trials in life and gain strength in serving the cause and people.

In practice, there is generally no approach to educating people, just as there is no education process itself (moral / spiritual development). By upbringing, we mean care and examination.

It should be noted that the reason for the death of previous human civilizations was the decline in morality.

The expectation that morality will arise from somewhere on its own leads nowhere.

Retreat


Historical Over the past decades, Russia's path has kept a course in only one direction of the development of cultural heritage. So, in the life of generations, information and experience of spiritual education of citizens by religion, which is an integral element of the social culture of mankind, was completely excluded. Therefore, in our country secular methods, means and norms of education and upbringing have been mastered. On this occasion, one can rejoice and grieve, admire and be indignant, but such is the given.

It was irrational to hope that “having destroyed to the ground” over the decades it was possible to create without connection with the past something more significant than the centuries-old experience of mankind, it was irrational, but it happened.

Goal


Creation of a moral infrastructure for the development of the spiritual and intellectual potential of children and adults of a single educational space, including the population of the country, entering into business and personal relations at various levels of interaction. In this aspect of problems, a single system-forming factor * (invariant) is the universal human moral goals (morality, values, categories) of the behavior of an individual in society (an example of a moral category in the end).

Management of the upbringing of a stable social position of the individual is based on universal human moral values.

Strategic results


Television is the center of a single educational space - by managing the education system, it turns the practice of human existence into a progressively developing infrastructure of moral interaction between people.

Tactical results


The presence of a national idea.

Proposal of a variant of the peaceful development of human civilization.

A significant decrease in crimes in all types of human activities (constant in each subsequent time interval).

Elimination of mistakes in the education system (upbringing and training) at all levels. Development of science / culture / sports (constant in each subsequent time period).

A significant increase in the results of education and upbringing of children and adults in the context of the formation of an intellectual and moral infrastructure on a national scale (constant in each subsequent time period).

A significant increase in professionalism and labor productivity in all sectors, including the accelerated development of innovative components of the economy (constant in each subsequent time period).

The ability of the adult population to transfer the skills of moral / spiritual and intellectual experience to the younger generation (the ability to educate and teach).
An end to attacks on Russia by Western countries.

Russia is the unconditional world leader in moral (spiritual) and intellectual development.

The longest possible existence of Russian civilization.

Practical application


I offer all films and programs, incl. news, put on moral goals. The moral category is chosen in accordance with the goals of the program (today, unfortunately, there is not a single program that would be based on the corresponding moral values, the news is presented without evaluating moral actions).

The first stage is the informational aspect, the assimilation of the composition of the field of choice (components of moral categories).

The second stage is the motivational aspect, predicting an adequate emotional response to moral goals, the ability to recognize the components of moral values ​​in an ongoing event and give them an adequate assessment.

BUT, there are no moral values, they are either lost or completely lost ... None of the programs / films / books make it clear to the population what moral values ​​are in question, and even more so it is not clear what assessment they are given if they are intuitively present.

And it makes no sense at all to talk about whether the viewer will adopt the foundations of morality broadcast from the screen into his own behavior. Moreover, the intuitive propaganda of a positive attitude towards the negative components of moral categories is already yielding tangible negative results in the life of society.

It should also be noted that films and programs based on positive constituents of moral categories remain popular timelessly. But without the assimilation of the constituent moral categories and the ability to recognize them, the conditions for the transfer of moral experience to people are not presented. It is obvious that the high popularity of certain films / programs / literary works is caused by a person's instinctive craving for morality.

The third stage is the operational aspect, modeling creative behavior by self-education, transferring to the population of the country the skills of modeling their daily activities on the basis of moral values, subject to freedom of choice.

In this regard, the task is to form public opinion based on moral values, which, in turn, is the basis of the existence of a civil society.

The technologies for information, motivation and operations are field proven and surprisingly simple.

An example of a moral category.

Patriotism (definition) - a field of good:

• Taking care of the interests of the country (city, enterprise, family, planet).
• Taking care of the historical fate of the country.
• Willingness to self-sacrifice.
• Loyalty to the Motherland in the fight against the enemy.
• Empathy for the suffering of the people.
• Respect for the traditions of the people.
• Respect for the historical past.
• Affection for the place of residence.
• Fight against the antipodes of morality.
• Pride in social achievement.
• Pride in cultural achievement.
• Anxiety for social vices of society.
• Activity in work and social and political activity.

Delusions (field of evil):

• Public passivity.
• Hatred of parasitism.
• Hatred of exploiters.

Also, please take into account that there is a moral heritage of mankind accumulated over 5 thousand years - about 2 thousand moral categories (goals, values) and their definitions, for example:

• Respect.
• Freedom.
• Conscientious work for the benefit of society.
• Fulfilling public duty in good faith.
• Caring for the preservation and augmentation of social wealth.
• A responsibility.
• Integrity.
• Conscience.
• Modesty.
• Truthfulness.
• Honesty.
• Vanity (field of evil).
• Parasitism (field of evil).
• Careerism (field of evil).
• Friendship.
• Humanism.
• Love.

PS


Expanding the topic to the paragraph "Purpose". There are also:

• A single system-forming factor of such a global infrastructure as human intellectual development.
• A single system-forming factor of such infrastructure as the economy.
• A single system-forming factor of social infrastructure, which is the key to the progress of human civilization. Now the key is turned towards the regression of civilization.
• A single system-forming factor of the economic crisis.
• A single system-forming factor that regulates the birth rate.

The practice of human development shows that without knowledge of a single system-forming factor of the infrastructure (system), the management of any infrastructure is doomed to failure. Moreover, the failure in the moral infrastructure does not allow the development of the intellectual infrastructure.

You need to learn to see moral goals. They are everywhere. They are leading in any human activity.

To begin with, try to correlate the constituents of the field of good in the moral category of patriotism with the words and actions of the protagonist and other characters of the film "The Diamond Arm" and with the meaning of the song of the group "LYUBE" - "Roads".

When you have the desire and the opportunity to get acquainted in more detail, you will be sincerely surprised how simple everything is. And that THIS has been lying under our feet for centuries. And we (humanity) are engaged in the "invention of the bicycle" that does not go anywhere.

*Appendix:
About the concept - a single system-forming factor.

The idea of ​​a backbone factor worries philosophers from the time of the emergence of philosophy to the present day. It originated already in ancient times. Plato (428 or 427–348 BC) represented the world as a created creator (demiurge) who gave it a soul. The latter ensures its order.

The system-forming factor, on the one hand, seems to be an objective phenomenon, because it characterizes the ability of matter to acquire and manifest systemicity. But, on the other hand, it acts as a means for the researcher to isolate the system from the environment, that is, it is an instrument for checking whether there is something that is determined by the system. Thus, the system-forming factor is one of the manifestations of the activity of matter in the aspect of realizing its ability to form systems. At the same time, the search for system-forming factors reflects the ability of the human brain to see the world in a systemic dimension.

The problem of searching for system-forming factors is one of the main problems of science, since, having found a factor, we find a system. And this leads to a dramatic increase in the cognitive effect.

Suffice it to recall, for example, the leap in science thanks to the discovery by D. I. Mendeleev (1834-1907) of the periodic law and the construction of the periodic table of elements. The system-forming factor of the periodic table of elements is the relationship between the atomic weight and the properties of the elements. The discovery made it possible to combine all the elements into a strict periodic system, created the opportunity not only to describe the properties of existing elements, but to predict the appearance of new ones.


Использованная литература:
Dictionary of Ethics, edited by I. Cohn, 1981
Yu. P. Surmin, Systems Theory and Systems Analysis.
Talcott Parsons (1902–1979), The Social System, Sociological Theory and Contemporary Society.
MN Skatkin, Secondary School Didactics.
Yu. K. Tatarenko, Technology for predicting an adequate emotional response to moral goals (education).
Yu. K. Tatarenko, A systematic approach to the management of training and education (education).
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  1. Kronos
    Kronos 18 November 2021 18: 03
    +12
    Another dreamer to prohibit everything and force people to be good.
    1. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 16
      +6
      Why so? One can argue about the methods (their acceptability, effectiveness, etc.), but the fact that morality in our country, in contrast to the same USSR, is not in vain, is he wrong? You need to educate people. Soviet art and education is a vivid example of this.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 18 November 2021 18: 19
        +21
        So there is no Soviet power now, who will do all this? In modern realities, this will simply result in a ban on YouTube, Western films, then they will start to shove the church everywhere, they will sigh about the spirituality of the times of the Russian empire.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 22
          -2
          In modern realities, this will simply result in a ban on YouTube, Western films, then they will start to shove the church everywhere, they will sigh about the spirituality of the times of the Russian empire.

          If you think like that, you can do nothing in this direction at all. You sit to yourself, sip a beer and talk about how bad everything is around. The author suggested, to the best of his understanding, how to correct the situation. I agree, in disputable ways. But what can you suggest? This is not a ready-made recipe, but an invitation to dialogue, as I understand it.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 18 November 2021 18: 24
            +5
            The author can propose to build colonies on Mars, now it will be just as real. It reminds of the economic proposals of Khazin, which he offered to Putin all the time.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 26
              -9
              You have been asked a specific question. Is there anything specific you can suggest? If not, your comments are worthless. Ordinary grumbling, nothing more.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 18 November 2021 18: 28
                +8
                I am not making empty proposals that no one will implement.
                1. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 32
                  -2
                  These are not so much suggestions as reasoning. It is already important to start a conversation on this topic.

                  And following your logic, you just need to fold your legs and grumble. Everything is lost, nothing will work. Well, also practice criticism in the comments. I agree, it's easier. But the principle "do you criticize? Offer!" nobody canceled.
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 18 November 2021 18: 35
                    +12
                    In order to start implementing something, at the beginning there must be a developed economy, people's confidence in a bright future, and not the knowledge that they will be robbed all the time by prices and taxes. With this it is necessary to start, and not morality, when, on the contrary, they do it means robbery is justified.
                    1. Artyom Karagodin
                      Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 36
                      0
                      You see, the conversation is already moving in a more or less constructive direction. I can only agree. Although it seems to me that it is necessary to act in parallel here.
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 18 November 2021 18: 35
                -5
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                You have been asked a specific question. Is there anything specific you can suggest? If not, your comments are worthless. Ordinary grumbling, nothing more.

                support!
                1. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 37
                  -5
                  Thanks to. But the person is correcting)))
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 18 November 2021 19: 26
                    +14
                    Dear author!
                    The motivational program of behavior of the citizens of the country is laid through the state IDEOLOGY.
                    First, in Russia, officially, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, there is no STATE ideology.
                    And secondly. Ideological education in the Russian Federation has long been "sour". Namely.
                    Dominant in the Russian Federation and in the world bourgeois ideology of the American economist M. Friedman. described by him in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" in the first 20 pages, is no longer called "bourgeois", but is called abstractly class "market" with elements of the so-called. "Monetarism" (i.e. bourgeois pursuit of financial profits).

                    In this case, you can not equalize the concept of real capitalism with all its flaws with M. Friedman's doctrinaire idea in the form of a SPECIFIC social PROJECT, brought to life, to build a supposedly ideally fair capitalism on Earth all over the world. Due to what?
                    Due to the alleged existence in the world of some anarchist absolutely "free" from everyone and every world market, which is supposedly absolutely "clean" from profanities and dishonesty both on the part of the participants in the capital market, goods (services) and labor, and from pressure on them a nation state. And at the same time, Friedman naively assumes that all market participants free from the state are initially at all times equal in their life start and can always become rich if they just want it. This is pure utopia and bluff!
                    Behind this attempt by Friedman to whitewash capitalism lies a very definite goal taken by Washington's apologists. Namely.
                    Purpose of this american bluff is, hSo that the sovereign countries "native" for the United States, without control and duty-free by their governments, mistakenly, free and defenseless from competition, opened access for US multinational companies to their domestic markets for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase by foreigners of "native" wealth, enterprises and natural resources.
                    In this case, the reduction of native state property to the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good. For the state supposedly does not need to control anything, there is no need to punish anyone, and there is no need to regulate trade and production either. That at the same time all members of society will become such honest and law-abiding entrepreneurs that therefore it will no longer be necessary to protect the population from swindlers, thieves, robbers and murderers. AND therefore, the alleged national state, as an anachronism, will disappear by itself as unnecessary, and there is no need to defend it at all. For the distribution of material goods "from above" at the state level is not required, because everything will be regulated by this "ideal" capitalist market. Well, those who did not fit into the market are already their problems. Let, they say, they survive on their own, as they can. These include, in particular, all the so-called. "superfluous" people: pensioners, disabled people, children, etc. - all those who "did not fit into the market." But they should be "happy" with their freedom from the centuries-old, fattening abstract-bureaucratic state, which has always been dreamed of by the anarchists for centuries.
                    Incidentally, and corruption, money-grubbing, hedonism and other vices of society are also latently embedded in the ideology of M, Friedman.

                    TOTAL. All this Milton Friedman's ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market with its pursuit of profits is an anarchist propaganda of the American establishment to disintegrate the national security of sovereign states to their complete elimination and subjugation of their resources in favor of US multinational companies.
                    Unfortunately, this ideology unofficially adopted by the Russian ruling elite as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. And the HSE is the forge of bourgeois young cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
                    1. Serge-667
                      Serge-667 23 November 2021 19: 32
                      +1
                      Bravo! Instead of an article, you can leave only your comment.))
                      The only thing you categorically define the word "anarchist" as an abusive one, while the idea itself is quite ancient and very significant historical figures have dedicated their lives to it. In particular, I am personally impressed by Pyotr Alekseevich Kropotkin, who was not at all an idealist and deeply understood / studied the problems of social development. Anarchy is not debauchery and permissiveness. And the same Kropotkin defined the prosperity and progress of society as free expression and consideration of the interests of each individual. What is this if not an attempt, through the moral qualities of a person, to obtain a vector for the development of an ideal society?
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 November 2021 20: 43
                        +1
                        Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the works of Krapotkin, but anarchy as such - the absence of the state as such, I do not recognize for sure, since it leads exclusively to civil war and the dictatorship of the strong. over the weak.
                        Everything else in it, when it is put into practice, is only an ideological utopia.
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Pyotr Alekseevich Kropotkin, who was not at all an idealist and deeply understood / studied the problems of social development. Anarchy is not debauchery and permissiveness. And the same Kropotkin defined the prosperity and progress of society as free expression and consideration of the interests of each individual.

                        Kropotkin died in 1921, did not participate in the revolution. He had no practical historical experience of following anarchy among people with different mental personality types.
                        At that time, psychology itself as a science had just begun to form. And now psychology says one thing, that anarchy in its idealized form is, by and large, just a social utopia.

                        Thank you for the tip! I will definitely look at Kropotkin ..
                      2. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 23 November 2021 21: 18
                        0
                        because it leads exclusively to civil war and the dictatorship of the strong. over the weak.

                        Here, just no. Kropotkin saw the reasons for the confrontation in the state, in the conflict between the individual and the state. Agree, the state, as a tool, averages personal interests. Inevitably, a conflict arises.


                        In general, read it. you will find a lot of interesting things. I myself am not an anarchist by conviction, for me such a formation is a problem of the distant future, but some elements are quite interesting.
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 November 2021 21: 36
                        0
                        The state should not be underestimated as a form of public administration in matters of property.
                        And the concept of property is an attribute of humanity - i.e. an inalienable property of humanity in its various manifestations. Therefore, the state, as a necessary derivative of property, is also an attribute of humanity, since it organizes, distributes and protects the property of the members of society in an organized way.
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 18 November 2021 19: 14
                  +12
                  Quote: Flood
                  support!

                  Well, let me propose .. if you deigned to fantasize .. it is fantasizing, because Kronos is right, there is no practical application in today's realities.
                  So .. Morality cannot exist without social justice, the rule of law, and most importantly, without ideology .. What morality can there be under capitalism? It’s not funny ourselves .. no for cattle, of course they want to introduce it .. because it should be more tolerant .. just like that and nothing else ..
                  Well, now fantasies ..
                  You need to start with the ideology ... the ideology of a just society ... differently socialism.
                  I am not a dogmatist .. and I believe that in communism, there is one significant omission .. namely, the essence of a human being. For thousands of years, a person has not changed and is a bearer of both good and bad qualities ... which are present in everyone and are manifested depending on the situation and being. The history of man suggests that it will not be possible to remake his essence .. (it can be seen that the universe is so conceived) .. and therefore, it is necessary to give a person the opportunity to show their best qualities ..
                  To have such an opportunity, you need to create conditions ..
                  I believe that we need to "cross" the two models .. take the best from capitalism and the best from socialism .. Dogmatists will say that this is not real. I believe that it is possible, provided that the laws and the system of checks and balances are strictly observed.
                  In this system ... all the largest enterprises and natural resources must be nationalized and given to the state. At the same time, leave small and medium-sized businesses.
                  This is very brief .. but when a socially oriented state emerges .. it will be possible to talk about the promotion of morality.
                  I began to write and realized ... that in order to put everything on the shelves, I would have to write until tomorrow morning))
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 18 November 2021 19: 22
                    -4
                    Quote: Svarog
                    .koly you deigned to dream up.

                    no, I didn’t deign
                    why are you so careless about words?
                    I supported Karagodin that criticism without constructiveness is the way to nowhere
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 18 November 2021 19: 34
                      +5
                      Quote: Flood
                      why are you so careless about words?

                      You have a very keen perception and obviously distorted laughing What's wrong with fantasizing? In fact, fantasy develops mental potential. For this reason, I myself decided to dream up laughing
                      Do you find it offensive to "have your fancy"? wassat
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 18 November 2021 19: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        You have a very keen perception and obviously distorted

                        it would be very interesting to know how you came to this conclusion
                        Quote: Svarog
                        What's wrong with fantasizing?

                        absolutely nothing
                        but if I wasn’t fantasizing, why should I play along with your fantasies?
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Do you find it offensive to "have your fancy"?

                        already answered above
                        I love accuracy
                        can't stand jerking
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 18 November 2021 19: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: Flood
                        I love accuracy

                        Your preferences are of little interest to me .. you are free to love anything .. Just like I am free to interpret your comments, where you regularly and quite often look for specifics and suggestions from commentators ..
                        In this case, you supported Artyom .. who was looking for a dialogue .. by itself this dialogue .. pure fantasy .. Accordingly, you deign to fantasize ..
                        It’s surprising that you don’t understand yourself .. I don’t think that I will be clear to you. For this I say goodbye for flood nezya.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 18 November 2021 20: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Your preferences are of little interest to me.

                        I didn’t try to interest you
                        I explained that for me in your words addressed to me, it is unacceptable
                        Quote: Svarog
                        It’s surprising that you don’t understand yourself .. For this I say goodbye for flood nezya.

                        two opposite sentences
                        first you flood, then write that ayyayay is not allowed
                        you can. you don't ask permission.
                        flood your health.
                    2. Uncle lee
                      Uncle lee 19 November 2021 03: 43
                      +9
                      Ballad of struggle
                      Among the faded candles and evening prayers,
                      Among the spoils of war and peaceful bonfires
                      Lived book children who did not know the battles,
                      Disheartened by her petty catastrophes.

                      Children are always annoyed
                      Their age and way of life -
                      And we fought to the abrasions,
                      To mortal grievances
                      But the clothes were patched up
                      We are mothers on time
                      We swallowed the books,
                      Drunk from the lines.

                      Lipli hair to us on sweating foreheads,
                      And it sucked in the spoon sweetly from the phrases,
                      And the smell of struggle circled our heads,
                      From the pages of yellowed flying to us.

                      And tried to comprehend
                      We who did not know wars
                      For war cry
                      Those who took the howl -
                      The secret of the word "order"
                      Border Assignment
                      The meaning of attack and clank
                      War chariots.

                      And in the boiling pots of the former slaughterhouse and confusion
                      So much food for our little brains!
                      We are on the role of traitors, cowards, Judas
                      In their children's games, they assigned their enemies.

                      And the villain's footsteps
                      Not allowed to cool
                      And the most beautiful ladies
                      They promised to love;
                      And calming friends
                      And loving others
                      We are the heroes
                      Introduced yourself.

                      Only in dreams you can't run away for good:
                      A short age of fun - so much pain around!
                      Try to unclench the palms of the dead
                      And take the weapons out of their worn hands.

                      Test capturing
                      With a warm sword
                      And wearing armor, -
                      How much, how much!
                      Figure out who you are: a coward
                      Or the chosen one of fate,
                      And taste
                      A real fight.

                      And when a wounded friend collapses nearby
                      And over the first loss you'll make out, grieving,
                      And when you are suddenly left without skin
                      Because they killed him - not you -

                      You will understand that you learned
                      Distinguished, found
                      I took it by my teeth -
                      This is a grin of death!
                      Lies and evil - look,
                      How rude their faces
                      And always behind
                      Crows and coffins!

                      If meat with a knife
                      You didn’t eat a single piece,
                      If hands are idle
                      Watched down on me
                      And did not enter the fight
                      With a scoundrel, with an executioner, -
                      So in life you were
                      Nothing to do with anything!

                      If the path is cut through with my father’s sword,
                      You salty tears on the mustache wound,
                      If in a hot fight I experienced how much, -
                      So, you read the necessary books as a child!
                  2. Artyom Karagodin
                    Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 19: 33
                    -2
                    I practically agree on all points. Therefore, it is necessary to talk about such topics as often as possible. "An idea that engulfs the masses becomes a material force."
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2021 20: 57
                      -3
                      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                      Therefore, it is necessary to talk about such topics as often as possible.

                      Yeah, chat more. And do not do nichrome. So Pobedim!
                  3. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 20: 18
                    0
                    Hello Vladimir!
                    Quote: Svarog
                    For millennia, a person does not change

                    Here I disagree with you. A person is changing, and changing for the better, though not as quickly as we would like. Quite recently, by historical standards, we (people) ate our own kind, rejoiced at public executions, lived according to the principle of talion, etc. Humanity has softened a lot over the past several thousand years. Over time, it will grow to communism, the choice is still not great, either communism or barbarism.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 18 November 2021 20: 39
                      +10
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Humanity has softened a lot over the past several thousand years.


                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      More recently, by historical standards, we (people) ate our own kind, rejoiced at public executions, lived according to the principle of talion

                      Oh, don't tell me ... For nothing, they don't eat. And so ... In the Karabakh conflict - mockery of the corpses and genuine joy from a shell hitting the enemy group. And that's just what the camera got on and leaked into the network. ISIS * in the field of murder, too, was noted in all its colors. How do young people fight today? They don't beat him when he is lying down? No matter how it is! They beat and jump on the head.
                      So we still have to work and work to improve the moral qualities of mankind. But, again, one would not go too far and create tolerant greenhouse hamsters.
                    2. Svarog
                      Svarog 18 November 2021 20: 56
                      +6
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Here I disagree with you

                      I will be glad to discuss Alexey hi
                      Quite recently, by historical standards, we (people) ate our own kind, rejoiced at public executions, lived according to the principle of talion, etc. Humanity has softened a lot over the past several thousand years. Over time, it will grow to communism, the choice is still not great, either communism or barbarism.

                      And I believe that the essence of a person has not changed. Do you think at least one of the listed commandments has left a person? And 2000 years have passed since their writing.
                      The fact that humanity has softened .. the conditions of life have softened .. and then, yes, a person really became softer .. but at the same time more vulnerable .. But this is reversible .. and what if it took 2000 years for a person to become more humane .. then humanity can return back in two weeks .. For this, it is enough to create conditions. But it can also work in reverse ... this system. Create conditions for a person and he can move to a higher quality level of development. This is the trick.

                      Over time, it will grow to communism, the choice is still not great, either communism or barbarism.

                      Communism was the beginning of humanity .. and this beginning allowed it to multiply and survive. When the hunters went after the prey, leaving their wives, the children of the elderly in the caves .. and bringing the prey, they shared with everyone and got everything according to their work .. Isn't this communism in a simplified form. I absolutely agree that only socialism can save us .. Communism is very far away .. but socialism is quite real to itself.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 21: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And I believe that the essence of a person has not changed. Do you think at least one of the listed commandments has left a person? And 2000 years have passed since their writing.
                        The fact that humanity has softened ..

                        Well, yes, if you read the Sermon on the Mount, then mankind is very far from the elimination of sins in the understanding of Christ: "But I tell you: whoever looked at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." But we no longer see such harems as those of King Solomon or Genghis Khan. In the Middle Ages, the entertainment of the townspeople was public executions, such as quartering, wheeling, etc. (I must say they were great entertainers at that time), they went there with their wives and children. With all my "respect" to Chubais, I, like the overwhelming majority of the country's population, wives and children, would not drag this show with this character in the lead role, and I myself do not know whether I would watch it or not. I believe that there is a gradual transition from quantity to quality, i.e. today there is an accumulation of quantitative changes.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Communism was the beginning of humanity .. and this beginning allowed it to multiply and survive.

                        Yes, this is so, sooner or later we will have to come to him again, or we will disappear as a species. Too great tasks and dangers are facing humanity, otherwise they cannot be overcome.
                      2. Artyom Karagodin
                        Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 23: 07
                        -1
                        Alexey, I will support Vladimir. Although he himself would not have gone to the burning or quartering of not only Chubais, but even Hitler, but that softening of morals, which you are talking about, will quickly end if you deprive a person of those conditions in which he is now placed. If some serious turmoil or world war breaks out, we will not recognize ourselves. It's just that before the war, other cataclysms were in the order of things, but now they are not.

                        And about the spectacles. Gay parades are not auto-da-fe, of course, but also a show of such aesthetics. Moreover, wait, they are already seriously discussing that pedophilia is okay, one of the varieties of gender. And it would be nice to teach children political correctness in this regard. Some of our emigrants wrote about this, now I don’t remember the name. And such scientists as Peter Singer and Richard Dawkins (respected in scientific circles) say that there is nothing wrong with cannibalism. Unless you personally killed the person whose meat you eat. Google at your leisure. The hair on my head left from what I read did not just move - it marched in a solemn march. This is all I mean, "dashing trouble is the beginning."

                        Let me summarize. Former vices in a person have not gone anywhere, they just became more refined, on the one hand, on the other - more disguised, or something. The same Singer and Dawkins are firmly convinced that they do not say anything immoral. This is "scientifically" grounded.

                        As for communism, in Lenin's version it was based on an absolute belief in progress. In principle, in the 100 years preceding Lenin, man had changed the world around him so much that the conclusion that everything in himself could be changed also suggested itself. And, accordingly, build a society of general prosperity. But this is a utopia, that is, self-deception. People have not changed. They have become more educated, more civilized, yes. But in the same USSR, from 1960 to 1990, 4 ml of abortions were performed per year. If this is moral progress, then I am the Pope of Rome.
                  4. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2021 20: 55
                    -9
                    Quote: Svarog
                    I am not a dogmatist ... and I think that in communism, there is one significant omission

                    You are not a dogmatist Sharik. You are a dunce. You do not understand what capitalism is, or what communism is. Not that such hybrids are not viable.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 18 November 2021 21: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      You are not a dogmatist Sharik. You are a dunce.

                      Do not poke Makar first .. and secondly, there is a chance to defend your opinion .. state .. we will discuss ..
                      The question is why?
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2021 13: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        The question is why?

                        Are you asking me this question? Have you tried asking yourself? And what about the pseudo-communist? Because these systems cannot get along in any way, they are fundamentally different systems. At a certain stage, certain elements of a market economy may exist, but there can be only one dominant economic system. And market elements, as the productive forces develop, should wither away and become a thing of the past. Take finally read what the classics of Marxism wrote, turn on your brains. Stop broadcasting all sorts of nonsense and slogans. Human nature interferes with them, you know. It's not nature, but chronic stupidity that hinders you. With such communists, no spies and saboteurs are needed. You will bring the system to the zugunder yourself.
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 19 November 2021 13: 43
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And market elements, as the productive forces develop, should wither away and become a thing of the past. Take finally read what the classics of Marxism wrote, turn on your brains.

                        I read that .. only I did not hear the arguments .. the link to the classics is not an argument. I want to hear your own conclusions, and most importantly the justification .. Why these systems can not get along? What's in the way?
                        And market elements, as the productive forces develop, should wither away and become a thing of the past.

                        You need to be realistic .. nothing dies out and does not go into the past, but if it really should, then the system that I propose .. will allow it to be done in the future.
                  5. evgen1221
                    evgen1221 21 November 2021 07: 55
                    0
                    Ok, after a while, for example, a startup which grew from a firm on a windowsill into a giant and became something like Google 3.0. What to do about it? Nationalize just because he became big? Or artificially strangle the potential out of fear of nationalization?
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 19 November 2021 09: 07
          +4
          Quote: Kronos
          ? In modern realities, this will simply result in a ban on YouTube, Western films, then they will start to shove the church everywhere, they will sigh about the spirituality of the times of the Russian empire.

          That is exactly how they try to prohibit, shove, sigh ... Under the capitalist system, where some grow rich due to the exploitation of others, where everything is bought and sold, where a person's success is measured only by his bank account, in principle, there can be no high morality, culture and humanity. ...
          Therefore, everything like this is just utopian fantasies.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol 20 November 2021 07: 20
            +1
            Under the capitalist system, where some get rich through the exploitation of others, where everything is bought and sold, where a person's success is measured only by his bank account, there can be, in principle, high morality, culture and humanity ..


            Falling into an abyss can be easier and more enjoyable than climbing up.
            The illusion of flight may even arise.
            But the end result can be very sad.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 18 November 2021 18: 27
        +10
        With a moral population you cannot steal much .. It will not allow. As in the early USSR. So why then all this to the nonesh tops?

        And Soviet art and education was based on personal examples of worthy people who surrounded everyone in those times .. On whose examples should we educate people? On the Soviet? So the power is fierce anti-Soviet and enemies of the people. And we simply have no other examples.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 18 November 2021 18: 47
        +1
        You need to educate people. Soviet art and education is a vivid example of this.

        Morality is the ability to take responsibility for your thoughts and actions. Morality is a value, a person's inner state, his life attitude, which allows him to take any actions based on conscience.
        But the fact that morality in our country, unlike the same USSR, is not taught in vain, is he wrong?

        To teach someone, you need to be an example yourself. A thief is unlikely to educate a highly moral person .. just like capitalism is a bad educator .. because the moral is different ..
        First, a socially just society. I always say and I will repeat .. that ideology is the first thing to start with.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 56
          0
          Nobody argues with this. Although the author wrote about, let's say, the unacceptability of "hatred of exploiters." What exactly he meant remains a mystery to me, but if this means that I should stop disliking creatures like Chubais, then it is said, of course, strongly. Strongly stupid. It's not that I hated this public outright, I just understand that they are the enemies of my country.

          If they really begin to wipe them off the authorities and even if they are not forced to answer for everything, but at least they say, they say, don’t rock the boat, otherwise we will remember everything, my "hatred" will be satisfied. I think that the majority also thinks about it. And if no one takes such steps, then everything proposed by the author is nothing more than manilovism. But it is necessary to start a conversation on such topics. And the fact that without ideology, that is, a clear project of building a state for decades to come, it will not work to educate people in morality is an obvious fact. In my opinion, there is nothing to argue about.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2021 13: 44
            +1
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            If they really begin to wipe them off the authorities and even if they are not forced to answer for everything, but at least they say, they say, don’t rock the boat, otherwise we will remember everything, my "hatred" will be satisfied.

            It's not even funny. Well, they will be removed from power, so what? Wake up already, all these attempts to build correct capitalism are bullshit. Even in the best developed capitalist countries, where capitalism is not as wild and boorish as ours, life is not so good. The only exception is Israel. Which just confirms the rule.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 19 November 2021 16: 53
              0
              Well, they will be removed from power, so what?

              I have not fully expressed the idea, my jamb. Of course, simply removing the collective Chubayskakudrin from power is not a solution. Without changing the model of state structure, there is even no point in undertaking this. It's just that instead of some Chubais there will be others the same - we replace the pig for a goose, and that's it.

              A planned economy, the return of all strategic industries (I think there is no need to provide a full list of them here) under state control and other steps towards socialism are a path that will be supported by the absolute majority of the people. Here at "VO" Andrey from Chelyabinsk very competently painted the contours of the system that is really capable of providing the country with normal development. Many other serious publications on this topic can be found. Even more literate.

              True, there will be no heaven on earth in any case. He was not even in the USSR. It's just that a person should be sure that if he is not lazy and is ready to work, then he will be able to provide for himself and his family and at the same time, sorry, not bend at 50, ditching himself in three jobs. If we don't move in this direction, all talk about raising people is just idle talk. Only the people will get even more angry.
        2. Old Michael
          Old Michael 18 November 2021 19: 10
          +2
          ideology is the first thing to start with.

          The problem is that it won't work. Ideas are hard to digest on an empty stomach.
          You need to start with everything at once and at the same time. True, it takes longer than Moses did. Well, Moses needs to match the current realities.
          (And dragging us across the desert is no longer worth it, and nationalization with industrialization in the spirit of the 20s and 30s will not work today).
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 18 November 2021 19: 27
            +2
            Quote: OldMichael
            The problem is that it won't work. Ideas are hard to digest on an empty stomach.

            At the beginning of any action, a thought ... and at the beginning of any creation, an idea .. A hungry stomach will not allow you to be moral, but it will make you think ..
            1. Old Michael
              Old Michael 18 November 2021 19: 38
              +2
              At the beginning of any action, a thought ... and at the beginning of any creation, an idea ..
              I absolutely agree with you!
              A hungry stomach will not allow you to be moral, but it will make you think ..
              And the results of these reflections will be different for everyone. Someone will start to start a revolution, and someone will simply go robbing their neighbors.
              hi
          2. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 19: 36
            +3
            Here, the main thing is not to hit the other extreme. And then after all, "a well-fed belly is deaf to the doctrine." As long as we are building a consumer society, everything will go exactly as it is. Well, once again they will imitate some kind of movement, and that's it.
          3. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 18 November 2021 23: 40
            -4
            Quote: OldMichael
            ideology is the first thing to start with.

            the truth will have to start with a change in the constitution
            Article 13

            1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.

            2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

            3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.

            4. Public associations are equal before the law.

            5. It is forbidden to create and operate public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred.

            so for now in our American colony it is forbidden even to think about ideology with morality, Gays are equal with the Orthodox in the ideological context, and only Don Quixote = Milonov is still struggling with this ...
        3. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 19: 15
          +6
          And it seems to me that morality needs to be revived from ... a mirror! Well, not an optical device, but from myself.
          Even here in the VO comments, take a look at what everyone writes.
          How much bile, intolerance, aggression in some of the arguments! With rudeness, glory to the moderators, they are still struggling.
          But these words are our whole nature. Which will indirectly pass on to our children, and in some cases even distort!
          No. To revive morality, to begin with, you need to in yourself, and not write new commandments. The wizard who comes will wave his wand and everyone will not be better. Everyone is such a magician. For yourself, your children, your environment.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 18 November 2021 23: 49
            -5
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And it seems to me that morality needs to be revived from ... a mirror! Well, not an optical device, but from myself.

            you write beautifully but deeply mistaken, it is useless to start with yourself because a person does not have such a mirror in himself that would be better than him and in general nothing really good comes from within a person, man = animal. You will have to look and take an example not from yourself or another person, but from some IDEAL better than just a person, that is, from the saints .... learned from God ... so this is another proof of the meaninglessness of morality outside of religion. Based on the second principle (axiom of the postulate) of physics

            Spontaneous transfer of heat from a cold body to a warm one is impossible. (1)

            No engine can convert heat into work with 2% efficiency. (XNUMX)

            In a closed system, entropy cannot decrease. (3)

            so a person is a typical example of the constant growth of disorder (entropy) and he needs a certain guiding Ideal (that is, God), looking at which and obeying which a person would become better
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 18 November 2021 18: 40
      +3
      Quote: Kronos
      Another dreamer to prohibit everything and force people to be good.

      I also read it ... and did not see any speech about social justice ... Fantasies that have no real basis.
      You show a person at least some films, but if he lives in poverty and sees total inequality around him ... where some people go to golden toilets behind high fences, and pensioners (and not only) go through the trash heaps .. except for even more hatred there is nothing get ..
      Being determines consciousness. Try to be highly moral .. when you are hungry, whoever went hungry at least once .. that will understand .. when the smells are exacerbated and the scent becomes like a dog's .. a man, when he is constantly malnourished, when he only does that he is fighting for survival .. to morality. We are not far from animals, and in critical situations, an animal will always overcome morality in a person ... well, or almost always. Even the Union failed in the upbringing of a person, although society was much fairer, kinder and more correct .. and under today's system .. even to talk about it is ridiculous.
      Morality and ideology must go together .. First, a socially just society, fair elections, observance by all of the Constitution and laws, and then the education of morality .. well, or it must be implemented in parallel.
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 18 November 2021 19: 42
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Try to be highly moral .. when you are hungry, whoever went hungry at least once .. that will understand .. when the smells are exacerbated and the scent becomes like a dog's .. a man, when he is constantly malnourished, when he only does that he is fighting for survival .. to morality.

        Everything is correct. First - the satisfaction of basic physiological needs, and only then - morality and other higher matters.

        What kind of morality can we talk about when:
        The Central Bank warned of the risk of food price hikes in 2022.
        Russia was in last place in health care spending among large countries.
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 18 November 2021 19: 43
        -1
        you said great about the upbringing of a person, this is the main reason for the collapse of the USSR, human consciousness did not grow up to build real socialism
    3. knn54
      knn54 18 November 2021 19: 12
      +6
      "To destroy the people,
      you have to corrupt their women.
      Then they cannot
      educate real warriors. "

      General, Alexey Petrovich
      Ermolov.
    4. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 18 November 2021 23: 35
      -2
      Quote: Kronos
      Another dreamer to ban everything and make people be good

      I liked the title, but in fact it’s just water, it’s not clear who and why will carry out all these absurdities 1 postulates of the article = empty pro-American words such as achievements, agenda, you know there is no point in translating this because the words themselves are meaningless .... Here the author writes " raise the intellectual level "... but how can you raise the unknown what?" first decide what your "intellectual level" is ... you don't know yourself! 2 if we are talking about morality, avoiding morality as a religious concept based on the commandments given by Almighty God, then we .... just mindlessly stir the air ... for without objectively from the beginning of Jehovah God, without faith and religion = there is no morality! and it cannot be, but only howls in favor of the poor, with some indefinite words without meaning
    5. Illanatol
      Illanatol 20 November 2021 07: 17
      0
      Any morality and ethics - a system of prohibitions: "do not kill, do not steal ..."
      Unfreedom is the driving force of progress.
      And freedom - turns a person into the likeness of a beast.
      Freedom (alas, alas) is often accompanied by the dominance of instincts over reason.
      Which is clearly, albeit in a very specific way, shown by the Marquis de Sade in his work.
  2. Alexga
    Alexga 18 November 2021 18: 10
    +8
    Moral revival of civil society in Russia

    Author, where is it?
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 18 November 2021 18: 15
    +6
    Well, for this program, you can "master" many hundreds of billions, and they will report - all the points are fulfilled. And the fact that the "society" itself is dying out (by a million a year) - then you have to think, and statistics need to be corrected, and people need to give money -Let it die out, we better deal with morality. laughing hi
  4. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 18 November 2021 18: 15
    +2
    In my opinion, the thesis "How to live in order to be holy." incompatible with civil society.
    1. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 17
      -3
      And which one is compatible, if not a secret?
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 18 November 2021 18: 44
        0
        Not that you are asking. A traditional society approaches this thesis, as it was in Russia, and to some extent in the USSR.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 47
          0
          Just how is moral purity contrary to civil society? It's about that.
          1. Andrey Moskvin
            Andrey Moskvin 18 November 2021 18: 56
            -1
            No way, but I'm not talking about that. In my opinion, today's atomized society may well be called civil, and morality, rights and obligations have nothing to do with it.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 19: 00
              0
              Now it is clear. I just didn't immediately understand what you meant. I agree. To invite Milokhin to an international economic forum is quite a civic position of a member of civil society. And morality clearly has nothing to do with it)))
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  5. paul3390
    paul3390 18 November 2021 18: 22
    +9
    What morality of the population can we talk about in a country whose leaders have stolen from the people everything that belonged to them, including the future? After all, morality must be revived first of all with the restoration of justice, and it requires the return of the stolen and the punishment of the thief, isn't it? It does not happen that scum ruled pure and bright people ..

    As for civil society - where did you see it here? In the current Russian Federation there are no citizens, only subjects .. For a citizen is a whole complex of rights and obligations, the holders of a Russian Federation passport are practically absent ..
    1. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 18: 28
      +2
      After all, morality must be revived first of all with the restoration of justice

      I will support. Without this, all attempts to educate morality will result in banal hypocrisy. More precisely, even in imitation of the process.
    2. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 18 November 2021 18: 38
      +4
      Quote: paul3390
      What morality of the population can we talk about in a country whose leaders have stolen from the people everything that belonged to them, including the future?

      Yes, everything is very simple, it just requires the term "morality" to give a new, more modern meaning. After all, if "yylita" are those who are ready to eat everything around with their mouths and zappa, the "patriot" is a thieving official from Edra, and day and night obscenely curses the cursed Omerigans, then why shouldn't a "moral" man be the defender of this whole circus with horses. Anyone who visits the local church from time to time automatically receives "deeply moral" badges and +100 to PST.
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  6. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 November 2021 18: 26
    +4
    The author, you are essentially offering to FORGET EVERYTHING, to put on an unctuous smile and to the whole society to start playing together with enthusiasm in the near-religious splint. Do you really think that this can replace philosophy? I see the problem of our society in the fact that it is practically IMPOSSIBLE to justify the past century for a modern person from the point of view of what is called "national self-consciousness" without lying to one degree or another.
    Usually the national myth from which healthy patriotism grows says that this or that nation is moving along the right or wrong path, some segment of the path in the past is chosen for "approaching the ideal" or even an ideal. Movement along the wrong path is identified with disasters, failures, losses. Movement in the right way - with acquisitions, growth.
    In the 1980s, the USSR was, according to some indicators, almost at its peak (1983, the peak of our GDP), according to others, it was in a deep crisis, the peak of stagnation and passed the point of no return, society was completely unhealthy, saturated with crime, a decline in morals, nationalism, and decline. We take Stalin's times - according to some indicators we have an increase in industry and military power, according to others, arbitrariness, fear, losses in demography from hunger and repression, poverty of the population. We take the times of Khrushchev - and we have successes in space and the peaceful military atom, an increase in prosperity and at the same time an external crisis after crisis, the unsuccessful Caribbean crisis, Novocherkassk, damage to ideology inside and outside of the XX Congress.
    In all these epochs, all these personalities "in words" said that we are moving towards something good, all the sacrifices and efforts were brought under it - and as a result, not only did we come to a fiasco (1991), so also not one point on this vector of the path to fiasco cannot be called unequivocally successful. Everywhere success was accompanied by losses and falls, everywhere it came out strained and on the verge of the border. It seems like the peak generation of some "Stalinist efforts", the generation of the 1940s-1950s, people who cannot be blamed in any way for having inherited the "damned vices of tsarism" - lead the country to that madness of acquisitiveness and demagoguery that was observed in the 1970s-1980s and in ultimately, which resulted in the disintegration of morality, social relations, and that is the collapse of everything. What happened in the 90s? What happened in the 2000s? No revival of religion has revived morality even close. People, officials, go to church and this does not stop them from stealing. They give oaths and promises, and this does not prevent them from breaking, deceiving, fiddling, rewriting. What kind of moral revival can we talk about - if we have diametrically opposed points of view in society on almost all issues? If our common property was made private in an instant. If the utopia promised to generations has remained a fairy tale, and the sacrifices have sunk to nowhere? Nothing gives an answer to these questions - we exist in a space that carefully avoids them, in a space of total lies. This is not the environment in which you can start a moral revival) And the people who could launch it are not the same people, the author ..
    1. Flank
      Flank 18 November 2021 19: 06
      -2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      No religious revival has revived morality even close

      This is because there has been no revival of religion. Nowadays there are very few church people, maybe five percent. They are very moral.

      And in general, morality is a consequence of Christianity. The most direct.
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 18 November 2021 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Flanke
        And in general, morality is a consequence of Christianity. The most direct.

        Socrates? Plato ?? Aristotle ???
        No, son, this is fantastic ... (c)
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 19: 39
          +1
          So it is not for nothing that they are called "Christians before Christ." And they got to the idea of ​​the Demiurge, that is, the One Creator of the Universe. More precisely, Plato got it.
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 18 November 2021 19: 52
            0
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            So it is not for nothing that they are called "Christians before Christ."

            That is, they seem to be followers, but at the same time ahead of the beginners, did I understand everything correctly? wassat
            And they got to the idea of ​​the Demiurge, that is, the One Creator of the Universe. More precisely, Plato got it.

            Still, you shouldn't twist the words so awkwardly, even if you have a very strong desire to pull the owl onto the globe. The creative principle of the philosophers of the pre-Christian era is not so close to the Creator. And again the question is - who came from whom and whose reflections came from?
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 20: 27
              0
              Answer: the grain fell on fertile soil. But Plato and Aristotle do not have the same depth and completeness as the Christian commandments.
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 18 November 2021 20: 38
                -1
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                But Plato and Aristotle do not have the same depth and completeness as the Christian commandments.

                More specifically, please, preferably with examples.
                1. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 21: 52
                  0
                  I think it will be a fruitless argument. More precisely, I'm almost sure.
                  1. Aleksandre
                    Aleksandre 18 November 2021 21: 54
                    -2
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    I think it will be a fruitless argument. More precisely, I'm almost sure.

                    That is, do you think that such a loud statement should not be supported by any justification?
                    1. Artyom Karagodin
                      Artyom Karagodin 18 November 2021 22: 44
                      0
                      You might think it will convince you of something. This time.

                      Further. What kind of loud statement you mean is not clear. That the Gospel moral postulates are deeper than those reached by Plato, Socrates and Aristotle, or that they were called "Christians before Christ"?

                      The second option is easy to answer. This expression has been around in Christian theology for a good one and a half thousand years. I can be mistaken for a couple of hundred years - either in one or another hundred years, but not the point.

                      And if I mean the first, then why should I say something when I can pick up the primary sources and compare myself? To grasp the essence of the issue, the comment, let's say, is a little too little))). If your conclusions differ from those that I drew, great. But these will be your conclusions drawn on the basis of a serious acquaintance with the material.

                      And the question of the superiority of the moral tenets of the Gospel over the ancient classics, or vice versa, is not a topic for discussion in the comments under the Internet publication. I probably shouldn't have started a conversation on this topic.
                      1. Aleksandre
                        Aleksandre 19 November 2021 00: 36
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                        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                        You might think it will convince you of something. This time.

                        Did I ask to convince me of something?
                        This expression has been around in Christian theology for a good one and a half thousand years.

                        It would be more logical for Christians to be called some "late pathetic-Platonists" then, since there was a need to emphasize continuity, no?
                        To grasp the essence of the issue, the comment, let's say, is a little too little))).

                        For a person who owns materiel, over which he also had a chance to think hard - a matter of a couple or two sentences, after which you can send your opponent along a known route with a clear conscience. But if knowledge is limited "I've heard that these are deeper, and these are simpler" then yes, the topic is complex, it will not be possible to squeeze out a intelligible text out of the blue.

                        PS Minus, by the way, is not mine. I'm too lazy to put the pluses.
                      2. Artyom Karagodin
                        Artyom Karagodin 19 November 2021 01: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        But if knowledge is limited "I've heard that these are deeper, and these are simpler" then yes, the topic is complex, it will not be possible to squeeze out a intelligible text out of the blue.

                        Okay, so be it. I'm not worried about the cons.
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 18 November 2021 19: 27
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        What prevents this? Maybe we have few churches, or maybe the clergy are suppressed? No, society is rather indifferent to religion. Already, as it were, and not against, but at the same time and not for. And the fact that the government has been in hand with the official church for 30 years now does not solve this problem. That is, there is no obstacle for a long time, the encouragement seems to be observed (there is the Spas TC in the digital broadcasting branch, they are building 3 churches a day, church shops have been selling assortments outside the purely religious boundaries for a long time, broadcasts of large services on state channels, etc.) - but the crocodile is not caught, the coconut does not grow - neither morality is growing, nor the number of carriers of this morality, given that society continues to stagnate or degrade. From this I conclude that these values ​​are not that dead now, but definitely do not have some kind of vital force that can raise or inspire something. They have fairly stable boundaries + -, a sort of get-together.
        1. Flank
          Flank 18 November 2021 19: 53
          -3
          The high level of consumption hinders the churching, creating an essentially satanic ideology of the golden calf. By themselves, traditional values ​​have no meaning without religion. For example, how do you explain that stealing is bad? The believer understands that this is a sin. Or one atheist said that if her son is good to be gay, then she will support him if only he feels good. Higher pedagogical education, by the way, has.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 18 November 2021 20: 09
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            That is, the very essence of human nature prevents this decision. Here we come to the well-known conflict - if the essence of a person prevents him from being happy - one of the options sounds like let's remake his essence. And then he will be happy. Perhaps. But what if in the process of this much more people become infrequent, if they do not want to rework, "break" under a system that LIKE HOW cares about their happiness? It turns out that this concern is carried out in isolation from the interests of the one who is being cared for. As if this is a completely incapacitated person. Tell me, does this idea have to be so attractive, if you think about it a little? As for me, no. And it is for this reason that humanity is trying in every possible way to crawl away from totalitarianism (often into no less destructive formations, alas) in all its forms.

            For my modern society, I see a cure not in another "unshakable" myth, but stupidly in a stable, qualitative growth of indicators of the growth of well-being and the perfection of the internal structure, not from some abstract standpoint, but from a purely utilitarian one. There are jambs - they are patched. Once a year or two, those who patch up gather and thoroughly reflect on what needs to be changed fundamentally so that it is the "systemic" jambs that do not rub the eyes. There are no unsolvable problems, turning a blind eye to them or calling them something else for the sake of morality or morality is not even close to a solution.

            Z. If a person in his action does not carry a DIRECT threat to society and DIRECT indignation for specific members of this society, then I do not consider this a question beyond the PERSONAL. In the world around us there will always be enough unpleasant things PERSONALLY FOR US, without a doubt everyone would in one way or another remake the world for themselves. But our freedom ends where the freedom of others begins, and theirs where ours begins. Oppression of rights and freedom is a very dubious path, on which it can lead both towards the majority and towards the minorities. History tells us that many vices exist as long as the human race. Pass through eras, empires, beliefs. Fighting them is like fighting a sunset or sea waves. The unnaturalness, illogicality, in some places the abomination of what is happening around is, apparently, the world as it is, and what it was. How the higher powers created it. We can make it better, but we can hardly do it IMMEDIATELY. For a start, much more egregious things are enough, having coped with them, you can aim at something more, if it remains by that time and does not disappear by itself. Something like that Oo
          2. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 18 November 2021 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: Flanke
            The high level of consumption hinders the churching, creating an essentially satanic ideology of the golden calf. By themselves, traditional values ​​have no meaning without religion. For example, how do you explain that stealing is bad? The believer understands that this is a sin. Or one atheist said that if her son is good to be gay, then she will support him if only he feels good. Higher pedagogical education, by the way, has.

            Several questions arise. They are, of course, rhetorical, they do not require a direct answer, but you can think about it.
            Adepts of asceticism and completely impoverished non-silver people who have neither an extra change of linen, nor a piece of bread for tomorrow, and sometimes neither stake nor yard contribute to churching? Not at all.
            Stealing, of course, is bad; both religious people and atheists understand this. From the fact that a believer knows and understands that this is a sin, nothing changes. Otherwise, believers would never steal, and reality tells us something completely different, alas ...

            Now, about the atheist mother.
            Let's leave the gays.
            This is a sore subject in Russia.
            It seems that straight people are already dangerous to walk down the street. That and look, in broad daylight on the street some perverts will be raped.

            Imagine that, God forbid, this mother, with a pedagogical education, has a son turned out to be a robber and a murderer.
            For her, he will still remain a son.
            She will love him and support him in prison, believe that his bad people have drawn in, slandered, etc. A mother's love is blind.
            When, on the way to a bright future, "enemies of the people", "Trotskyists", "deviators", "spies" of all stripes and shades suddenly blossomed in terry color, who, through the efforts of the Relevant Bodies, went to the camps and execution ditches in orderly ranks - mothers were forced to renounce their children , and children from their parents. Was it right? Has it benefited society? No, it didn't. You cannot demand from mothers today to refuse to support their children.
      3. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 19 November 2021 00: 05
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        Quote: Flanke
        This is because there has been no revival of religion. Nowadays there are very few church people, maybe five percent. They are very moral.

        And in general, morality is a consequence of Christianity. Most direct

        absolutely right! even worse, they draw libels on church fences, go out to rallies against the church, hang a castle on the church fence at night and scream about the ephemeral clock of the patriarch ... but they don't seek God ... After all, that's why the USSR died ....... but it taught nothing ...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV3Ew4-PUM

        Enter by the narrow gate, because the gate is wide and the path leading to destruction is wide, and many walk by it; 14because the gate is narrow and the path that leads to life is narrow, and few find it.
  7. Plufik
    Plufik 18 November 2021 18: 29
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    1. Adaptation (the problem of rational organization and distribution of resources).

    At present, the adaptation period has ended in our country.

    "What all?". Are there no chances for "re-election of the subject of the meeting" and "redistribution of production sites"?
  8. nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 18 November 2021 18: 39
    +5
    When a person pays his money for food, and knows that this money will go to the common piggy bank, he becomes involved in the affairs of the state. Now the country is divided into elites who have lost not only connection with the people, but also their own landmarks. Sport has always been the country's defense reserve. But today's athletes love their bodies too much to take risks. They got used to the big salaries. They are insured before the competition. Of course, not all athletes are. And mass sports do not exist. After a patriotic lecture, a person goes out into the street, where life is completely different. Everything seems to be as it should, but everyone is on his own.
  9. Type 63
    Type 63 18 November 2021 18: 40
    -7
    The supermoral culture of the Soviet Union gave birth to the brothers of the 90s and Chechen terrorists
    1. Flank
      Flank 18 November 2021 19: 08
      +1
      How many lads and Chechens, in percentage terms, relative to the population of the USSR? And in a figurative sense, yes - since the time of Khrushchev, such a vector has been.
    2. tatra
      tatra 18 November 2021 20: 29
      -5
      Here, the 30-year-old cowardly ideology of the enemies of the Communists, and your "history" of your country and people in the Soviet and your anti-Soviet period, always blame others for what YOU did yourself, including the fact that YOU crawled into the CPSU in droves, pretending supporters of the communists for the sake of profit, and for what YOU, "liberated" by Gorbachev, created during your anti-Soviet / anti-communist Perestroika, and for 30 years after your capture and dismemberment of the USSR.
      And it was YOU who created completely immoral and immoral States on the territory of the USSR you had seized, where you, since Perestroika, have been totalitarianly implanting religion, proving yourself that you don’t give a damn about all the “God's commandments”.
  10. Old Michael
    Old Michael 18 November 2021 18: 45
    -2
    sources of social self-movement must be sought in non-economic factors, the dominant among which is morality (morality, spirituality).

    Morality, morality, spirituality - do not confuse these concepts.
    Yes, morality and ethics are almost synonymous. However, the bearer of morality is society, or some community, while the bearer of morality is a person, an individual.
    Literally the following phrase of the article is just about this:
    It is the system of moral values ​​shared by people that allows them to integrate into society.

    Spirituality is more difficult. I think that everyone will find historical examples of how the dominant morality in society became a set of completely soulless relations, without difficulty and to their liking.
    And this happened because spirituality, the basis of which is inner harmony and harmony with the surrounding world, was replaced in this case by a set of dogmas and rituals.
    Perhaps it is the level of spirituality that determines the maturity of civil society and its morality.
    hi
    1. Flank
      Flank 18 November 2021 19: 09
      -1
      Quote: OldMichael
      spirituality, the basis of which is inner harmony and harmony with the surrounding world

      You wanted to write harmony with god.
      1. Old Michael
        Old Michael 18 November 2021 19: 15
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        You wanted to write harmony with god.

        No, I wrote exactly what I wanted to write.
        But for a person who believes in God, these concepts are equivalent.
        1. Flank
          Flank 18 November 2021 19: 48
          -3
          And for an atheist there is no concept of harmony with the outside world.
          1. Old Michael
            Old Michael 19 November 2021 21: 57
            +1
            ... spirituality, the basis of which is inner harmony and harmony with the surrounding world

            Flanke:
            You wanted to write harmony with god.

            No, I wrote exactly what I wanted to write.
            But for a person who believes in God, these concepts are equivalent.

            In the Abrahamic ones, God is omnipresent and eternal permeates and embraces all that exists (the world around, a person, his soul ... unless, of course, you cursed and sold it). Therefore, everything that exists is also one of the hypostases of God.

            Flanke:
            And for an atheist there is no concept of harmony with the outside world.

            First of all, what is it here for ?!
            Secondly, why did you decide so?

            PS Interestingly, and the adherents of what religion minuses quietly stumbled?
  11. smaug78
    smaug78 18 November 2021 18: 47
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    Yes, it's better to have such nearby sponsors of the site ...
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2021 18: 49
    +3
    "I will force you to be free!" (C) And then I will force you to be moral in a capitalist society.
  13. KSVK
    KSVK 18 November 2021 19: 02
    +8
    What an extremely utopian article. We are for all good against all bad. Something had to be done yesterday. It's too late today.
    Look at the youth. Take a closer look. Nobody wants to live in this country. No, not like that, with this power. And our power is irreplaceable. And the last elections proved it. Without a CARDINAL change of power along with its course of stagnation, NOTHING will happen. In my opinion, everyone already understands that our "anointed of God" from the Kremlin will only be carried forward with our feet. So relax and enjoy the process as much as possible.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 18 November 2021 20: 38
      0
      And the authorities do not want to live in the country, they make money here.
  14. Undecim
    Undecim 18 November 2021 19: 19
    +8
    May the author forgive me for being straightforward, but his creative efforts are best characterized by shots from Bulgakov's immortal work. It also formulates the tasks facing him.

    The author could not even figure out the basis of his article - the Parsons theory. Further, there is already a continuous manilovism of a person who is far from understanding society as a social system.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 November 2021 20: 35
      +2
      In a word - a nightmare! And I am also asked from ... other states: "Anton, what's going on in the heads of your compatriots" ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 18 November 2021 20: 54
        +3
        what's going on in their heads


        Pallas, casting out vices from the garden of virtues, Andrea Mantegna. Louvre
        Just from time to time, some individuals try to join the ranks of great spiritual reformers - teachers of mankind like Confucius, Buddha, Moses, Jesus Christ, or at least moral philosophers like Socrates or Leo Tolstoy.
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  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 November 2021 19: 52
    +5
    Congratulations to the new author on his initiative!
    In fact, he took up a very difficult and painful topic.
    Unfortunately, the world around us is much more material than spiritual. This is the reality and we have no other.
    In our area they say: "The word" halva "will not make your mouth sweet." What kind of spirituality can a hungry person talk about? (I am deliberately exaggerating.) ...

    Today in society (any) "educators of morality" have practically disappeared.
    Once upon a time, schools were involved in education issues, there were departments in party bodies, worse or better, but engaged in educational work, culture and education. Today, it is the parish of religious communities. The influence of the State on them is very indirect. In other words, everything is on its own.
    there is a moral heritage of mankind accumulated over 5 thousand years - about 2 thousand moral categories (goals, values) and their definitions

    The moral heritage (collected and consolidated into at least some kind of system) is much younger.
    It is at least 3,5 thousand years old.
    It's called "Ten Commandments".
    As is generally known, they were given to Moses by the Almighty, in the presence of the children of Israel, on Mount Sinai on the fiftieth day after the Exodus from Egypt. For those who do not know: Ex. 20: 2-17; Ref. 34: 14-26; Deut. 5: 6-21.
    I will not list them. We all know them, although we do not always fulfill them, alas ...
    Apparently, the L-rd considered humanity - his children - to be better than we actually turned out to be.

    How do you like the "Moral Code of the Builder of Communism" (1961)?
    Could people actually live by it?
    Commitment to the cause of communism, love of the socialist homeland, to the countries of socialism.

    Conscientious work for the benefit of society: who does not work, he does not eat.

    Everyone cares about preserving and multiplying the public domain.

    High consciousness of public duty, intolerance to violations of public interests.

    Collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one.

    Humane relations and mutual respect between people: a person is a friend, friend and brother.

    Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and private life.

    Mutual respect in the family, concern for the upbringing of children.

    Resistance to injustice, vagrancy, stupidity, dishonesty, careerism, greed.

    Friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial dislike.

    Intolerance towards the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples.

    Fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples.


    How about the Eight Virtues and Eight Vices - the official system of core values ​​or the eight virtues and vices, a set of moral concepts developed by former Secretary General Hu Jintao for the citizens of the People's Republic of China in 2006. Its official name in China is "Socialist Concepts of Honor and Disgrace." Personally, I really like it. No fancy, crisp and clear.

    Love your homeland; do not harm her.
    Serve the people; never betray him.
    Follow science; don't be ignorant.
    Be diligent; not lazy.
    Be responsive, help everyone; do not profit at the expense of others.
    Be honest and decent; do not compromise principles for profit.
    Be disciplined and law abiding; no - chaos and lawlessness.
    Live simply, work hard; do not wallow in luxury and pleasures.


    We wish the author success and look forward to his new articles. hi
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2021 21: 15
      -2
      All this ethical morality of yours is derived from economics. Therefore, you can at least hang everything from head to toe with these commandments and learn so that they bounce off your teeth, but in the mass people will not live according to the commandments, but because it is economically profitable.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 November 2021 21: 24
        +5
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        All this ethical morality of yours is derived from economics. Therefore, you can at least hang everything from head to toe with these commandments and learn so that they bounce off your teeth, but in the mass people will not live according to the commandments, but because it is economically profitable.

        Well, what's new here? Above, I have already said that a hungry person has no time for reasoning about spirituality, but Karl Genrikhovich clearly enlightened us:
        “The mode of production of material life determines the social, political and spiritual processes of life in general. It is not the consciousness of people that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being determines their consciousness. " 
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2021 09: 06
          -3
          This is me just in case. To warn. Otherwise, I got the impression that Comrade Privalov fell a little into idealistic deviationism.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 19 November 2021 09: 29
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            This is me just in case. To warn. Otherwise, I got the impression that Comrade Privalov fell a little into idealistic deviationism.

            I do not know what kind of beast this is - "idealistic deviation". But in my age you can only fall into insanity.
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 19 November 2021 00: 24
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        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        All this ethical morality of yours is derived from economics.

        you are clearly an admirer of Marx (who set the golden calf as God under the guise of economics) (he lived on Engels's support and squandered everything that he sued from his mother and let his wife and daughters go around the world) and Mayakovsky (Ethics, aesthetics. and other nonsense - just - his. feminine servants.) both were beggars did not know how to make money, while receiving for the lines Mayakovsky guessed to write a few words there, but .... shot himself in poverty ...... but what about love? (or are you consistently, at the instigation of Freud (who died in a mental hospital), remaking your brain crazy by replacing Love with sex?) ... but what about Truth = Truth (or you, at the instigation of the false scientist Darwin, rejected even by Darwinists, think that everything worked out by itself ) ... it seems to me that your teachers did not show an iota of confidence in themselves with their lives, but in fact were

        three unclean spirits, like toads:
        14 these are demonic spirits that do signs; they go out

        can a blind man lead a blind man? will not both fall into the pit?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2021 09: 08
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          Your nonsense is not interesting to me.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 19 November 2021 08: 25
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      Quote: A. Privalov
      What kind of spirituality can a hungry person talk about?

      In the early 70s, he often went with his parents to agricultural work in sponsored collective farms. While my parents were working in the fields, I played with the local boys. I remember how I was very surprised by the lack of locks in the village houses, to my question ... why don't you close the houses? An even more surprising answer followed ... why? If a stick is inserted in the latch, then there is no one at home ... why then go there?
      And by the end of the SATISFIED 70s, locks on village doors were already ubiquitous ... why? People then began to live more satisfying .... but with morality problems began!
      Why did it happen, and Privalov?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 19 November 2021 08: 32
        +1
        Quote: Serg65
        And by the end of the SATISFIED 70s, locks on village doors were already ubiquitous ... why? People then began to live more satisfying .... but with morality problems began!
        Why did it happen, and Privalov?


        It was necessary not to let people live better. Then, there would be no moral problem. Right?
        Sorry, overlooked. I confess. This will not happen again. hi
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 19 November 2021 11: 15
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          It was necessary not to let people live better

          No, just your theory
          Quote: A. Privalov
          What kind of spirituality can a hungry person talk about?

          Failed where, according to your, failure should not have been. Spirituality does not depend on satiety or not satiety!
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 19 November 2021 12: 31
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            Failed where, according to your, failure should not have been. Spirituality does not depend on satiety or not satiety!

            This is your way: they say, the hungry did not steal, but the well-fed steal.
            They do not steal from a lack of spirituality.
            Both highly spiritual people and complete scoundrels stole.
            Yes, and not those "hungry" in the 70s were. They had nothing to steal. And if someone would steal, everyone in the village knows what color someone's panties are - they would instantly figure it out. That's the whole secret.
            And for morality, now you need to watch out for it. I've already been tracking my own. hi
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 19 November 2021 14: 31
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              Quote: A. Privalov
              they say, the hungry did not steal, but the well-fed steal

              what Privalov, it feels like you are measuring through your stomach in life!
              Morality is not brought up by the stomach; the beginning of upbringing is laid in the family with the help of a belt and a word. In the 70s, the centuries-old family structure was violated! With the beginning of issuing passports in the village, the happy collective farmers, abandoning their satisfying lives, rushed to the cities. And in the city of lafa, the working day is from 8 to 17, neither you morning milking, nor you round-the-clock sowing and harvesting, you don't need to heat the stove, you don't need to carry water from the well. Sit on the couch in the evenings and spit at the ceiling! An excess of free time has been created, but where to put it? Beer, vodka, drinking companions, dominoes, cards ... there is no time for children. Fathers distanced themselves from raising children, mothers took up the upbringing and that's it! What morality is there when an 18-year-old fellow cannot brush his teeth without the help of his mother!
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 19 November 2021 16: 07
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                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: A. Privalov
                they say, the hungry did not steal, but the well-fed steal

                what Privalov, it feels like you are measuring through your stomach in life!
                Morality is not brought up by the stomach; the beginning of upbringing is laid in the family with the help of a belt and a word. In the 70s, the centuries-old family structure was violated! With the beginning of issuing passports in the village, the happy collective farmers, abandoning their satisfying lives, rushed to the cities. And in the city of lafa, the working day is from 8 to 17, neither you morning milking, nor you round-the-clock sowing and harvesting, you don't need to heat the stove, you don't need to carry water from the well. Sit on the couch in the evenings and spit at the ceiling! An excess of free time has been created, but where to put it? Beer, vodka, drinking companions, dominoes, cards ... there is no time for children. Fathers distanced themselves from raising children, mothers took up the upbringing and that's it! What morality is there when an 18-year-old fellow cannot brush his teeth without the help of his mother!

                That's right!
                Namely, through the stomach.
                Man is a material essence. She demands food.
                The body should be fed first. For the nightingale, as you know, is not fed with fables, and the soul has a habit of living in the body.
                He does not work on an empty stomach, does not sing and does not live with his wife. He is not up to morality, not to spirituality.

                I remember well how collective farmers fled to the cities "from a well-fed, happy and prosperous life in the villages". As mentioned above, there was no need to let people live well and prosperously. While they were working on soldering, they looked into the hands of the bosses, and when the nuts were released and the fry felt better, they immediately began to loosen up, you panic!

                By the way, it is quite possible to drive people back to the village.
                There is historical experience.
                Take the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, for example. All who yearn for the times of "true socialism", when collective farmers were not given passports, would love it very much. hi
    3. Vladimir27
      19 November 2021 10: 29
      +1
      Thanks! I will continue the topic in the near future.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 19 November 2021 10: 33
        0
        Quote: Vladimir27
        Thanks! I will continue the topic in the near future.

        "We are waiting, sir!" (S) hi
  17. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 18 November 2021 20: 10
    +2
    The use of the word "spirituality" in the text makes it meaningless.
  18. north 2
    north 2 18 November 2021 20: 10
    -2
    about the national idea.
    "And you signed up for Judas." When the nation determines what is the appropriate intonation for pronouncing this slogan and what punctuation mark will be placed at the end of this slogan, only then after 1991 can we talk about one of two possible ways of the national idea ...
    about patriotism.
    Those who have just recently got used to getting everything out of the under-floor, in special stores, or to buy it by pull will disappoint, since patriotism is not sold as a load of berets, boots or coats. And the author thinks that if not tomorrow then after tomorrow, these too will get patriotism from somewhere.
  19. hermit
    hermit 18 November 2021 20: 37
    0
    “The bourgeoisie, wherever it achieved domination, destroyed all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. In the icy water of selfish calculation, she drowned the sacred thrill of religious ecstasy, chivalrous enthusiasm, philistine sentimentality. political illusions, it replaced exploitation with open, shameless, direct, callous.
    The bourgeoisie stripped the sacred halo of all activities that until then were considered honorable and which were looked upon with awe. She turned a doctor, a lawyer, a priest, a poet, a man of science into her paid employees.
    The bourgeoisie tore off their touchingly sentimental veil from family relations and reduced them to purely monetary relations. "
    Actually, that says it all. And you don't have to pull the owl over the globe.
  20. KSVK
    KSVK 18 November 2021 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: Kronos
    And the authorities do not want to live in the country, they make money here.

    Are you surprised? For some reason I don't. request
    And not only the authorities, but also the kids. Those have been there for a long time. As far as I remember, the daughters of "our everything" also got lost somewhere in the decaying west?
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 18 November 2021 23: 19
    +2
    The author is a demagogue, and a manipulator. If he is here on the site, it means that it is profitable for someone .... sad
  22. Vladimir27
    19 November 2021 09: 21
    +1
    Citizens !!! Thanks for everything, without exception, comments !!!
    To begin with, try to correlate the constituents of the field of good in the moral category of patriotism with the words and actions of the protagonist and other characters of the film "The Diamond Arm" and with the meaning of the song of the group "LYUBE" - "Roads".
    If you manage to do this, YOU WILL SEE moral categories / spiritual values ​​(which are the same). It has to happen.
    Choose the component of the NK Patriotism (in the text of the article) to the scene where the hero of Mironov takes the character of Nikulin away from the woman of easy virtue with the words: "Russo tourist, look to morality!"
    Listen to LYUBE "Roads", pick up the component from NK Patriotism ... THIS IS THE MAIN THING, YOU MUST SEE THAT IN THE FILM AND IN THE SONG THERE IS A MORAL (SPIRITUAL) VALUE !!! As soon as you see, all questions will be removed)))
  23. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 November 2021 10: 10
    +4
    Moral revival of civil society in Russia

    Well, well ... Let's give a moral assessment to the capitalist grin, that insatiable mug, which justifies any means of obtaining material benefits ... Together we will determine a happy life at the minimum wage and a pension of 14 thousand ...
    Civil society in Russia is not destined to revive on the basis of today's moral principles, laws and rules. It is unlikely that it will appear at all, with half civilian (48%) "do not care".
    1. Vladimir27
      19 November 2021 10: 11
      +1
      Let's hope !!!
  24. Chack wessel
    Chack wessel 19 November 2021 10: 19
    +1
    By the way, brevity is the sister of talent. :)
    1. Vladimir27
      19 November 2021 10: 23
      +1
      Yes that's right. But, she is just a sister)))
      1. Chack wessel
        Chack wessel 19 November 2021 19: 37
        -1
        I am ashamed. :)
        1. Vladimir27
          21 November 2021 17: 06
          0
          Sorry! It happened by accident!
          1. Chack wessel
            Chack wessel 3 December 2021 07: 31
            0
            Not a problem. :)
  25. tacet
    tacet 19 November 2021 10: 27
    +4
    Initially, the author chose the wrong (outdated) instrument - television, why not print or rock paintings? How much time per week does a person under 35 watch TV? This indicator tends to zero.
    Reading further, you understand that these are good intentions (where is the road from them?). The first thing that came to mind was "Inhabited Island" (perhaps because I re-read it a month ago).
    1. Vladimir27
      19 November 2021 10: 28
      0
      And what do you suggest? If not TV, then what?
      1. tacet
        tacet 19 November 2021 10: 45
        +1
        There are options, but I don't see any good ones.
  26. place
    place 19 November 2021 13: 14
    0
    The main occupation of a civilized person is housekeeping. In Russia, it has always had its own peculiarities. They create the characteristic image of the people and the characteristic morality. Which never had anything to do with the picture drawn by the author.
    When the people moved from the industrial economy of the USSR to the extractive economy, a huge number of professions disappeared in the Russian Federation. Therefore, the psychology of the people has also changed. Society has become wilder. And it will no longer be different.
  27. place
    place 19 November 2021 18: 15
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Take the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, for example. All who yearn for the times of "true socialism", when collective farmers were not given passports, would love it very much.

    Any label putter who is confident that they know "who is yearning for what" would like to look for other arguments besides their own confidence. We got it already .....
    Your "arguments" are the same primitive propaganda materials that happened in the 30s of the last century. Only turned upside down.
    About "collective farmers without passports";
    1. In the Empire until 1917, passports were just the means of attaching peasants to the land ... Did you know?
    2. Not all urbanites in the USSR had passports before the war. And all the collective farmers received their passports only by 1974, and presented themselves somehow until 1974! In the United States, and now there are no internal passports, and they also live ..... You should agitate them for passports !!
    3. From the beginning of collectivization to the beginning of the Second World War, about 20 million moved from villages to cities, since the country objectively needed an influx of urban population, industrialization was underway ..
    4 Cities in those days were also not "new Israel", where everyone aspires ...
    but where "not even all Jews are allowed". And far from all the collective farmers were eager, especially if they had no prospects of getting a job in the city .... And who had the prospects, they went and worked. Or would you rather like the picture when 40 million move from the countryside to Moscow at once? You can see something vaguely similar in big cities today. and what do you like a lot?
  28. viktor_47
    viktor_47 21 November 2021 11: 04
    0
    In all this nonsense, there is no main thing: an assessment of the determining influence on the morality and morality of society of the system of economic relations in this society. The moral of the elite: property owners and power in the country are so contrary to the task of forming social harmony that not only does it not promote such harmony, but directly destroys it.
  29. tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 November 2021 19: 31
    -1
    Take and read the moral code of the builder of communism, at the same time and get acquainted with the moral commandments of Christianity of which there are 80%.
  30. Dmitry Antonov
    Dmitry Antonov 22 November 2021 10: 00
    0
    The ideas are good, but this is not a tactic, but a strategy.
    To understand what we want to build in Russia, we need to understand what we have at the moment.
    And we have:
    1. power = business, business = power. Capital has merged with the state. This means that at the moment the state is engaged in only one thing - getting the maximum profit. But that would be half the trouble. The fact is that our capitalist is no match for Savva Morozov. Our, modern, he is not a patriot, he is a globalist. He does not live in Russia, he makes money here. If you look at all the industries in which the Russian industry shows good performance, then there is a significant share of foreign investment. Let us remember how recently the United States bent Deripaska. That is, in fact, all "Russian" oligarchs are the very sellers of our Motherland. And the so-called state institutions - the State Duma, the Federation Council, is this legal? elected bodies that help the oligarchs calmly plunder (because only a small part of the profit settles in the budget) Russia's natural resources: timber, oil, gas, metal. For the same purposes, domestic production was destroyed (and now they are simply not allowed to rise).
    That is, the meaning is this: all minerals should be sold abroad.
    Moreover, foreign capital can now (and does) determine the domestic and foreign policy of Russia.
    2. complete degradation of the media, the education system. In fact, this is a stream of advertising and propaganda mixed with gruel and shows for cattle. They actively dilute the Russian language with thieves' jargon and borrowed foreign words. Note that this is complete even on the central channels. So the authorities need it so.
    It was sad to hear the ugly rap playing along with Anthem on the line at school on September 1. Moreover, as it was noted, the winners of the rap battle performed it. А ведь рэп - это из культуры грязных нигеров, которые ничего, даже петь, не умеют, а только колоться, курить и грабить. What are they generally related to Russia ???
    That is, there is a course of the authorities towards fooling the population, turning into a herd looking into a box with flowing saliva.
    3. There is a slow, neat division of Russia into separate states. The President demonstrates this well, shifting decision-making "to the regions." Also, there is a constant exaggeration in the media of national and religious differences. People of different nations and different religions are constantly artificially colliding with each other.
    4. Complete lack of responsibility of the authorities for their actions. No one from the government has resigned at any event. Look at Rogozin. Is this our power? Are you sure you voted for that? On the contrary, they raised their retirement age in order to safely sit in grain places until the brain completely softens.

    To summarize, we can briefly say: Russia is no longer a single state. This is a formation with territories moving away from each other. The sole purpose of the superstructure over society is to control the extraction of natural resources, collect taxes and enforce decisions from Washington and London. Soft destruction of everything original, kind, fair, intelligent and strong that can appear among the people. The imposition of small household values ​​as the highest level of success. That is - the destruction of Russia so that gradually the memory of it is erased. Then, as usual, they will correct the history and it's done - we were never with you.

    And who benefits from it, decide for yourself. Definitely not for me.
    1. Vladimir27
      23 November 2021 10: 50
      +1
      Let's hope for the best!
      American predictor Danton Brinkley foresees the following: "Look, which way Russia will go, the rest of the world will go the same way!"
      1. Dmitry Antonov
        Dmitry Antonov 23 November 2021 12: 08
        -1
        Russia itself will not go anywhere. You need to lead it by the handle. How the Bolsheviks did it. And they pulled me out of the agrarian-monarchical stagnation. The victory in the Second World War raised the spirit of the peoples of the USSR as never before - much has been done and much could have been done. But the Cold War was lost, and the son or daughter of a worker and a peasant woman will never be able to become great designers, scientists, poets, singers and actors.
        Now Russia is being led to the grave. This is not a panic "we are all going to die !!", this is a conclusion from our own observations.
        All this IMHO, of course.
        1. Vladimir27
          23 November 2021 14: 15
          +1
          To be honest, the article was published because of the panic "we are all going to die !!!"