Vladimir Putin canceled Yeltsin's decree on the regions of the Far North

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Karelia loses the status of a territory equated to the regions of the Far North. The corresponding decree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, the document has already been published on the portal of legal information.

Putin canceled the 1993 decree signed by the first President of Russia Boris Yeltsin, who equated some regions of Karelia with the regions of the Far North. The new document comes into force on January 1, 2022. It is explained that the decree was signed as part of the change in the development strategy of the Arctic zone until 2035. In addition to Karelia, changes have affected Buryatia, Komi and the Komi-Permyak Autonomous District of the Perm Territory.



So far, nothing is clear from the signed decree, there are no official explanations. However, the document caused a violent reaction on social networks. As some network portals write, people are afraid that since part of Karelia has lost the status of regions equated to the Far North, then northern allowances, long vacations and other benefits granted to northerners are automatically removed.

As stated by the deputy of the State Duma Valentina Pivnenko, who has been dealing with the problems of the North in general and Karelia in particular for a long time, this decree came as a "surprise" for her. At the same time, she does not think that it is somehow connected with the deprivation of citizens of any benefits. According to her, the document can be adopted within the framework of clarifying the regulatory framework.

In Karelia itself, to news they reacted with bewilderment about the deprivation of part of the territory of the status equal to the regions of the Far North. The thing is that the authorities of the republic have recently, on the contrary, increased the number of such regions. Today 38% of the territory of Karelia belongs to the Arctic zone, the remaining 62% are equated to the regions of the Far North.
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  1. +77
    15 November 2021 12: 40
    And Moscow would not hurt, otherwise the employees of the central office receive more than (for example) from Novy Urengoy, even taking into account the "northern" ones.
    1. +40
      15 November 2021 12: 44
      I warned. For the poor results of United Russia, the regions will be punished. This is just the beginning. Of course, I understand that there is a well-fed and contented Finland nearby, there is something to compare with, but this is not a reason to undermine the foundations of the Russian state. By the way, you can see that in Buryatia and the districts, too, the unimportant results of the EP.
      1. +10
        15 November 2021 12: 45
        This is just the beginning.

        I have a feeling that this is the end.
        1. +31
          15 November 2021 12: 48
          Quote: Svarog
          This is just the beginning.

          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          Far from it. Not even close. Robert Mugabe, even having brought his Zimbabwe to complete economic and political collapse, is still extremely popular among impoverished Zimbabweans. Are we worse?
          1. +3
            15 November 2021 12: 52
            Quote: Civil
            Far from it. Not even close. Robert Mugabe, even having brought his Zimbabwe to complete economic and political collapse, is still extremely popular among impoverished Zimbabweans.

            Tin of course. But judging by the mood of the people, we still cannot be made Zimbabweans. No, I certainly don’t know, maybe I only come across sensible people around me, but in the last year I really haven’t met anyone who was at least neutral about everything that was happening. (I don't take into account local commentators laughing )
            Hatred and anger from people in the direction of power goes. Although under Bor, the drunk was also .. but the people tolerated .. But Boria was not popular. Putin, of course, is popular with "Putin's troops" .. but the troops are no longer very young .. but like their leader.
            In general, there is a feeling that he has withdrawn or pulled away ... or has withdrawn himself ..
            1. -7
              15 November 2021 13: 04
              Hatred and anger from people in the direction of power goes.

              We know they passed. I was in this life lesson. In words, all Lions are Tolstoy. laughing But as soon as these "disaffected" are gathered in one place, everyone becomes an "aggressively obedient" majority, completely loyal to the authorities. And two - three "screamers" do not make the weather. It’s even if you’re lucky enough to get people together to hear their opinions. laughing this is the kind of people in our country) in peace and safety - he is a brave lion, in the crowd - a quiet coward. It works in business, politics and administration.
              1. -5
                15 November 2021 13: 10
                Quote: Civil
                Hatred and anger from people in the direction of power goes.

                We know they passed. I was in this life lesson. In words, all Lions are Tolstoy. laughing But as soon as these "disaffected" are gathered in one place, everyone becomes an "aggressively obedient" majority, completely loyal to the authorities. And two - three "screamers" do not make the weather. It’s even if you’re lucky enough to get people together to hear their opinions. laughing this is the kind of people in our country) in peace and safety - he is a brave lion, in the crowd - a quiet coward. It works in business, politics and administration.

                This is true. I read an interesting article on this topic, where the author (I don't remember F, I, O) tried to understand and reason about the Russian mentality. So, he came to the conclusion, in the course of his reasoning, that as long as the generation of those who lived under the USSR does not leave, there will be no fundamental changes. Explains by the fact that the passionaries were strongly bred during the first and second world wars and revolutions .. they were replaced by opportunists. In general, I agree with this conclusion, although not pleasant. But how else to explain this paradox, I don't really understand.
                1. -4
                  15 November 2021 13: 13
                  Quote: Svarog
                  But how else to explain this paradox, I don't really understand.

                  Again the USSR is to blame? And the fact that over 400 years of serfdom, the nobles, by the method of ordinary selection, brought out a new breed of people, obedient and cowardly, did not the author consider this in any way?
                  1. 0
                    15 November 2021 13: 17
                    Quote: Civil
                    Again the USSR is to blame? And the fact that 400 years of serfdom, when the nobles, by the method of ordinary selection, brought out a new breed of people, obedient and cowardly, did not the author consider this in any way?

                    No, of course .. not the USSR .. the author largely referred to Gumilyov's theory of passionarity, which says that all empires, countries go through cycles of ups and downs. So ups depend on the percentage of passionate individuals, the more, the greater the progress.
                    1. +3
                      15 November 2021 13: 24
                      So ups depend on the percentage of passionate personalities, the more, the greater the progress.

                      And why do you deny the passionarity of the crowd of crooks who privatized all sectors of the economy and occupies an absolute majority in legislative bodies of power at all levels, councils of rural settlements up to the State Duma? They came out of the people.
                      1. +5
                        15 November 2021 13: 29
                        Why do you deny the passionarity of that crowd of crooks to

                        A passionary is a person endowed with excess energy, the impulse of which exceeds the impulse of the instinct of self-preservation, as a result of which the passionate is able to sacrifice his life for the sake of an idea.

                        That is why. The above-mentioned characters are not able to sacrifice their lives for the sake of an idea .. They are opportunists. And they have no idea. (I don't think personal enrichment can be an idea)
                      2. +1
                        15 November 2021 14: 14
                        Quote: Civil
                        And why do you deny the passionarity of the crowd of crooks that privatized all sectors of the economy and occupies an absolute majority in legislative bodies of power at all levels, councils of rural settlements up to the State Duma?

                        And therefore, as 99-100 percent of this crowd falls under the classical definition of sub-passionaries.
                      3. 0
                        15 November 2021 20: 24
                        Civil (Vadim), Today, 13:24 - "... And why do you deny the passionarity of that crowd of swindlers ... They came out of the people ..."

                        .... here in the Russian Federation, the Russian people are many nationalities. Colleague, Specifically read out the entire list of applicants ... please belay
                      4. +1
                        16 November 2021 07: 08
                        Quote: boni592807
                        Civil (Vadim), Today, 13:24 - "... And why do you deny the passionarity of that crowd of swindlers ... They came out of the people ..."

                        .... here in the Russian Federation, the Russian people are many nationalities. Colleague, Specifically read out the entire list of applicants ... please belay

                        The Forbes list for Russia is open to everyone. Nobody is hiding anything.
                        The composition of all legislative assemblies too. With income, real estate, cars. Everything is quite accessible.
                    2. +1
                      15 November 2021 13: 42
                      The most active part has always been the youth due to maximalism, and now I don’t undertake to assess which part of them is for and which is against. I believe that most of them sympathize with the authorities, but I cannot say.
                      1. +20
                        15 November 2021 14: 12
                        Most of them are generally apolitical. I would even say amoebna. But they are not to blame for this, alas. They have no opportunity for development. There is no possibility of comparison and there is no systemic analysis. For the last 20 years, the State has been making ordinary consumers out of young people with a minimum demand.
                      2. +29
                        15 November 2021 14: 30
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        For the last 20 years, the State has been making ordinary consumers out of young people with a minimum demand.

                        And this trend is noticeable all over the world. If you look without prejudice, Russia, despite the apparent confrontation with the West, is actually keeping pace with it. This can be seen in the reforms in education and medicine, the implementation of the IMF recommendations, support for coronavirus hysteria, and the introduction of QR codes.
                        So these are global processes, stupefaction of the population, followed by its reduction. hi
                      3. +12
                        15 November 2021 14: 33
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And this trend is noticeable all over the world. If you look without prejudice, Russia, despite the apparent confrontation with the West, is actually keeping pace with it.

                        I would say that the Russian Federation is being led wherever they are told.
                      4. +21
                        15 November 2021 14: 40
                        Yes Volodya.
                        By the way, did you notice yet another star of the authorities when they recently reported on the results of the population census? 97% of the population was officially interviewed! wassat
                        But the question is, whose population did they interview? Almost no one came to see anyone, and people themselves were not questioned in public services! laughing
                      5. +7
                        15 November 2021 14: 43
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        97% of the population was officially interviewed!
                        But the question is, whose population did they interview? Almost no one came to see anyone, and people themselves were not questioned in public services!

                        I heard it on the radio today. And I thought the same .. Mastered the funds ..
                        And the joke is that according to preliminary census data, the population is growing strongly in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
                        Lies all around.
                        And yes, I have not seen any of those who rewrite at all .. In '10 we went from door to door. This time no one noticed the census.
                      6. +11
                        15 November 2021 15: 14
                        Personally, I have not corresponded with the whole family. Even electronically. And most of the acquaintances also scored a bolt on this matter. There is a chance that there are three times more of us than the statistics say)))
                      7. -2
                        15 November 2021 15: 29
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        There is a chance that we three times more, what the statistics say)))

                        You are now in the swamp lol lol they threw a stone - right now they will croak "Russia is dying out, dying out, dying out ..."
                      8. +6
                        15 November 2021 15: 31
                        No, well, in fact, yes. It is dying out and quite intense. But this process is natural in 50 percent. Because the previous demographics and social sphere let us down. It's not even a matter of modern politics.
                      9. +6
                        15 November 2021 20: 44
                        Quote: your1970
                        You have thrown a stone into the swamp - right now they will croak "Russia is dying out, dying out, dying out ..."

                        Isn't that so?
                      10. 0
                        16 November 2021 06: 16
                        Quote: veritas
                        Quote: your1970
                        You have thrown a stone into the swamp - right now they will croak "Russia is dying out, dying out, dying out ..."

                        Isn't that so?

                        If the population is growing - then yes, it is not dying out.
                      11. +6
                        15 November 2021 15: 35
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        says statistics

                        There are lies, there are big lies and there are statistics
                      12. +1
                        15 November 2021 18: 14
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Personally, I have not corresponded with the whole family. Even electronically. And most of the acquaintances also scored a bolt on this matter. There is a chance that there are three times more of us than the statistics say)))

                        in the sense that the rewriters were refused or the rewriters did not come? if you didn’t receive a request, send it like this, maybe the local organizers of the census are dryukanut that IMHO it will be very useful for them
                      13. +4
                        15 November 2021 20: 48
                        in the sense of denied rewriters


                        The rewriters did not come. But they bombed with calls from state services. Like, go through an electronic census, get a good thing and a million dollar competition. And I am a principled fighter with razhym. I sabotage all great ideas and undertakings)
                      14. -1
                        15 November 2021 21: 08
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        in the sense of denied rewriters


                        The rewriters did not come. But they bombed with calls from state services. Like, go through an electronic census, get a good thing and a million dollar competition. And I am a principled fighter with razhym. I sabotage all great ideas and undertakings)

                        Duc census does not seem to be electronic, here's a reason to rezhymu brain to bite
                      15. +3
                        15 November 2021 21: 18
                        We have electronic everywhere. Maybe they don't walk on this. Like, additional stimulation of all in electronic form to translate. True, I had to register for state services. There is no alternative.
                      16. +1
                        15 November 2021 21: 25
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        We have electronic everywhere. Maybe they don't walk on this. Like, additional stimulation of all in electronic form to translate. True, I had to register for state services. There is no alternative.

                        damn it, discrimination, we like it was possible this way and that
                      17. +2
                        16 November 2021 03: 10
                        I think that many did not notice the "census" because they are also registered with public services. And the "scribes" had enough data from this site. And now there are many. They didn’t rewrite me or even bombard me with agitation, but I think that they took me into account in their statistics in this way.
                      18. +2
                        16 November 2021 11: 27
                        What a laugh ...
                        I registered on gosulugs about 5 years ago.
                        For some reason, my passport was registered there, which has already changed two or three times, as well as the place of registration.
                        The scribe came to me. Was sent through a closed door. Politely said goodbye and left.
                        And you call me Sebastian Pereira, the ebony merchant. :)
                      19. +2
                        15 November 2021 23: 59
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        There is a chance that there are three times more of us than the statistics say)))

                        Emae !!!
                        We are half a billion ????? belay ... belayno words
                      20. +2
                        15 November 2021 15: 27
                        Quote: Svarog
                        The population of Moscow and St. Petersburg is growing rapidly.

                        Doesn't it grow there? Toto had to add New Moscow ...
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And yes, I haven't seen any of those rewriting at all.

                        I corresponded on public services, was on vacation - so there were calls from scribes 4 times. "We can't find you !!!" - although my wife explained to them that I was not
                      21. +2
                        15 November 2021 16: 04
                        Quote: your1970
                        I corresponded on public services, was on vacation

                        None of my neighbors corresponded. At work, only 1 in 9. Is it too much for 3%? wink
                      22. +9
                        15 November 2021 16: 57
                        I went to the State Services, but the code was not sent and there was no copyist. Will draw 146%
                        Deputy Head of Rosstat Smelov said that the number of correspondents in Russia exceeded 100 percent
                      23. +3
                        15 November 2021 17: 09
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: your1970
                        I corresponded on public services, was on vacation

                        None of my neighbors corresponded. At work, only 1 in 9. Is it too much for 3%? wink

                        You are in desire Kick power - a little lol winked fellow overdone ......
                        It w not elections lol lol - "Yes, they attributed a bunch of dead people, threw them in, turned them around, etc."
                        It's all here strictly the opposite - now even if the authorities show only 100 million of the population - I can always say - referring to You (!!!!!!!!!!) what's in the country at least another 150-200 million population because according to you
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        No one from my neighbors did not correspond. At work only 1 of 9.
                        - that is, according to your statement, at least half of the country NOT corresponded ...

                        I should have written lol - "at work they made me write three times, the neighbors all corresponded five times - to hide the extinction !!!" ""
                      24. +1
                        15 November 2021 18: 48
                        Quote: your1970
                        You want to KICK the power - you overdid it a little ...

                        It’s you who’re trying to talk about the obvious lies of the authorities.
                      25. +1
                        16 November 2021 06: 08
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: your1970
                        You want to KICK the power - you overdid it a little ...

                        It’s you who’re trying to talk about the obvious lies of the authorities.

                        Not a bit trying ...
                        I'm just stating facts - that you (and I) have acquaintances who did not participate in the census.
                        Means the population in any case more what the authorities will count - in fact ...

                        As usual, you read on the opponent's diagonal
                      26. +2
                        16 November 2021 06: 53
                        Quote: your1970
                        So the population in any case is more than the authorities will count - in fact ...

                        By what criterion are you selected? laughing
                        The people are dying out, and you have more population! fool
                      27. 0
                        16 November 2021 07: 37
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: your1970
                        So the population in any case is more than the authorities will count - in fact ...

                        By what criterion are you selected? laughing
                        The people are dying out, and you have more population! fool

                        Again - YOU (!!!!!!) claim that almost no one corresponded with you
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        None of my neighbors corresponded. At work, only 1 in 9.

                        So?
                        I also have friends who have not been rewritten.
                        This means that how minimum by 10% the population will be UNDERTAKED from ACTUAL (!!!)
                        Therefore, no matter how many authorities now count - ACTUALLY (including your neighbors and uncounted colleagues) population will MORE!!!!

                        Therefore, to scream about extinction, one must scream
                        Quote: your1970
                        at work they made me write three times, the neighbors all corresponded five times - to hide the extinction !!! "" "
                      28. 0
                        16 November 2021 16: 56
                        He means that in this census they duplicated the data of the old census and added it to government services. Here's the population growth.
                      29. 0
                        16 November 2021 20: 21
                        Quote: klimalekc
                        and added to the state services.
                        -on which is registered, God forbid, if 1/4 of the country. The bulk of the population from small towns (up to 500 population) is absent there.
                        Following the example Ingvara 72 - "my mother-in-law and father-in-law are not there, there is not one of their neighbors. Even at my work there are 2 people who are not registered with state services."
                        If a person does not change his passport, does not sell an apartment, lives without fines from cameras, does not receive benefits, does not change the site before the elections, then it may well be that he is not registered with the State Services.
                        Even Quarkodes from State Services are still relevant only for large cities.
                        Our traders hung at the entrances - "Current input with kuar!" belay phone ??
                      30. +8
                        15 November 2021 18: 34
                        Not certainly in that way! As the deputy head of Rosstat Pavel Smelov said on Sunday, 14.11.2021/100/146, the number of correspondents was MORE than XNUMX%! Let's go further to XNUMX%!
                      31. +6
                        15 November 2021 20: 45
                        Quote: vadim dok
                        As the deputy head of Rosstat Pavel Smelov said on Sunday, November 14.11.2021, 100, the number of correspondents was MORE than 146%! Let's go further to XNUMX%!

                        This result is no longer surprising. Today you can only surprise with the truth.
                      32. +2
                        15 November 2021 20: 31
                        Svarog (Vladimir), Today, 14:43 - "... I heard it on the radio today. And I also thought .. We mastered the funds .... And the joke is that according to the preliminary census data, the population in Moscow and St. Petersburg is growing strongly ..
                        Lies all around .... "


                        In the matter of mastering. I see no obstacles .. feel .And the fact that the number of "new Russians and guests of the capital" has grown considerably, it is hard not to notice ... and the true truth. or do you have doubts ???. bully

                        hi
                      33. +4
                        15 November 2021 17: 40
                        More than 100 percent of Russians who took part in the census
                        The number of citizens who took part in the All-Russian Population Census was more than 100 percent. Such preliminary data were given by the deputy head of Rosstat Pavel Smelov in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper.
                        He explained that this figure should not be intimidated, since at present it consists of an estimate of the population according to the data of the previous census, operational information from a number of departments and contains many errors.
                        Smelov stressed that in the next two months, the data obtained "will be cleaned up", and by the end of January Rosstat will announce the first preliminary results.
                      34. -2
                        15 November 2021 18: 07
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        and people themselves were not interviewed in public services!

                        in dear, people are just there, it's convenient
                      35. 0
                        15 November 2021 18: 26
                        Not exactly: It was said that MORE THAN 100% have already been calculated!
                      36. 0
                        17 November 2021 10: 49
                        Moscow and St. Petersburg apparently.
                      37. +2
                        15 November 2021 14: 55
                        I would say that the movement for the leader has always been our feature. And our results have always been more successful with a strong leader. The factor of the leader's strength is more important here. And now it turns out that we live well as a leader.
                      38. +3
                        15 November 2021 15: 18
                        There is still a question of where to go. Hitler, too, was a strong leader ... Actually, not even him can be cited as an example. Here, rather, a combination of direction, structure and management efficiency, respectively, and leadership.
                        I think if they had introduced firing squad for sabotage and sabotage, the defense industry would have shown a giant leap forward. And not only the defense industry.
                      39. -3
                        15 November 2021 17: 14
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        I think if they had introduced firing squad for sabotage and sabotage, the defense industry would have shown a giant leap forward.

                        In China, they shoot for 25 years - corruption as it was and is
                      40. +9
                        15 November 2021 17: 17
                        In China, a day a frigate is cut and a week a submarine. Conventionally, of course, but in a dozen years they will crush the entire Pacific Ocean.
                      41. +6
                        15 November 2021 17: 55
                        However, the results in the economy in China and in Russia are, as they say in Odessa, two BIG differences.
                      42. -4
                        15 November 2021 19: 24
                        Of course, there are two big differences: we have a population of 147 million and they have almost 1.5 billion and an economy 10 times larger than this, and they are a world production factory in which the capacities of all world offices are concentrated.
                      43. +5
                        15 November 2021 20: 50
                        However, the results in the economy in China and in Russia are, as they say in Odessa, two BIG differences.

                        Of course, there are two big differences: we have a population of 147 million and they have almost 1.5 billion and an economy 10 times larger than this, and they are a world production factory in which the capacities of all world offices are concentrated.

                        But thirty years ago, everything was different. Although the number of inhabitants in China has not changed much. Maybe it's not the quantity, but the quality of management and purpose?
                      44. 0
                        16 November 2021 13: 51
                        Indeed, 30 years ago, everything was reversed - we have a planned distribution economy with a state administration for the production of obsolete trash and buckets with bolts, not according to demand, but according to the plan so that they could supply half of the world for free and barter, and China has a market economy into which the West pushed huge funds transferred production equipment patents technologies and China worked for grandmothers for no barter and thanks for the money due to which they rose in the 90s 2000s and are still rising, and in the 90s we fell into a ditch due to the lack of private business thanks to the same idiotic planned a distribution economy with a military-industrial complex in the first place, the lack of competition of competitive goods with Western ones and in general the absence of any stash for a rainy day and got out of this state only in the mid-2000s, and then with a creak, but in 2008 hello crisis and in 2014 a new crisis and sanctions due to which we have economic growth at the level of 2 - 3% so far, but fortunately now Russia has a loan Achka is decent for a rainy day, and there is a minimum national debt - we live within our means.
                      45. +3
                        15 November 2021 20: 47
                        Quote: AlexGa
                        I would say that the movement for the leader has always been our feature. And our results have always been more successful with a strong leader. The factor of the leader's strength is more important here. And now it turns out that we live well as a leader.

                        It turns out that the best of all was Brezhnev?
                      46. +1
                        15 November 2021 15: 29
                        And this trend is noticeable all over the world. If you look not biased ...


                        Agree. But the fact that nothing is being done to solve these problems is alarming. From all the irons we are told that Soviet education was not very effective, Soviet medicine sucks, and propaganda killed objectivity of judgment and freedom of thought.
                        But let’s say, I lived here and there. As for me, the current propaganda, with its declared absence, will not crawl through any gate at all. As for the watered dissidents, who were now Kammunyak under the bloody regime, so, excuse me, these are two big differences. For all my dislike for all the Novodvorskys, Sakharovs and Solzhenitsyn, they were interesting people. Yes, it was possible to disagree with them, or vice versa - to think and check what they mean. But they were pillars. The giants of their time, who were paid attention to. Who is it now? Talking heads and toothless psychos.
                      47. +12
                        15 November 2021 16: 53
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        If you look without prejudice, Russia, despite the apparent confrontation with the West, is actually keeping pace with it.

                      48. 0
                        16 November 2021 19: 34
                        It must be remembered that it was the young people who married Navalny. And it seemed that there was nothing serious, but no, all the "progressive" media went berserk. On all TV channels, young people were cursed and accused. The siloviks were caught up against the children, they were forbidden to gather, they demanded deductions. Our problem is not that there are passionaries or not, but that there are no Augusto Pinochet and Francisco Franco among our generals.
                      49. 0
                        17 November 2021 08: 36
                        About 90 percent of young people in general, all the side.
                      50. 0
                        17 November 2021 09: 04
                        For the last 20 years, the State has been making ordinary consumers out of young people with a minimum demand.
                        Children of corn (canned) ............
                  2. AUL
                    +12
                    15 November 2021 14: 18
                    Quote: Civil
                    And the fact that over 400 years of serfdom, the nobles, by the method of ordinary selection, brought out a new breed of people, obedient and cowardly, the author did not consider in any way?

                    But, nevertheless, there were Stenka Razin, and Emelyan Pugachev, and Ivan Bolotnikov, and other less well-known leaders of popular uprisings - and all of the "peoples of people, obedient and cowardly (the author's spelling is preserved wink )"
                    And "at the dawn of Soviet power" there were also attempts to speak out against the opinion of the authorities. But soon the people were weaned from stupid thoughts - they began to beat painfully on those who "leaned out".
                    Who wants to go to Kolyma?
                    Come one at a time!
                    There the moment will come
                    Enlightenment in the mind!
                    Therefore, no one leaned out, because he knew that there were a lot of "drummers" around, and big troubles could be scored even for a political anecdote.
                    Now the technique has changed. They don't press too much for jokes (like, well, bang ... for now), but the National Guard and other security officials are inflated beyond any reasonable (in the light of the declared tasks) limits!
                    1. -3
                      15 November 2021 14: 46
                      Thick and not very aunt at the entrance of the plant is also the Russian Guard. And such "minions of the bloody regime" are, as it were, not half in the Russian Guard
                      1. 0
                        15 November 2021 15: 08
                        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
                        Thick and not very aunt at the entrance of the plant is also the Russian Guard. And such "minions of the bloody regime" are, as it were, not half in the Russian Guard

                        Yes, there is one Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Okhrana" already occupies a third of the state. smile
                        FSUE "Okhrana" at the time of its inclusion in the WG in the state totaled 53 thousand people. Having become FSUE "Okhrana" RG, the company began to expand, absorbing departmental security structures, such as:
                        - Departmental protection of industrial facilities of the Russian Federation - 18 thous.
                        - Communication-security - 15 thousand
                        - Departmental security of the Ministry of Energy - 18 thous.
                        Plus, the WG included non-departmental security units.
                      2. +1
                        15 November 2021 20: 51
                        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
                        Thick and not very aunt at the entrance of the plant is also the Russian Guard. And such "minions of the bloody regime" are, as it were, not half in the Russian Guard

                        Are the aunt also beating the protesters with truncheons?
                      3. 0
                        15 November 2021 23: 43
                        Fat and not very women at the entrance of the factory ...


                        It is a sad but necessary duty - to have reserves of energy at the expense of beauty, in case of something like that.
                        In factory shelters, for example, gas masks are kept here and there - it’s impossible to defend the exhausted walls of the factory’s relatives from the barriers without such extraordinary measures. You, as it were, did not watch movies with Mila Jovovich - first, exhaust the enemy in the months-long defense of the Brest Fortress and then, having lost weight and prepared, drive away uncompromisingly. Again, it is difficult to cross the polar waters without supplies, hiding the factory flag and a package with production secrets from the enemy - not to swim otherwise ...
                    2. +2
                      15 November 2021 15: 20
                      Stepan Razin and Emelyan Pugachev are actually Cossacks, not serfs. And both primarily relied on the Cossacks. Ivan Bolotnikov is a character more to Troubles. There were all sorts of things.
                  3. +14
                    15 November 2021 14: 24
                    Quote: Civil
                    Again the USSR is to blame?

                    In part, yes, because under the Union, people were used to relying completely on the authorities, which in all spheres showed concern for their citizens. In this regard, a generation has grown up in a relaxed state, educated, but absolutely unable to defend their rights. That's all the fault of the Union.
                    And according to the article - today, every day, every hour, the state infringes upon the rights of people, and a change in administrative terms is one example. hi
                    1. +3
                      15 November 2021 20: 52
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And according to the article - today every day, every hour, the state infringes upon the rights of people

                      Infringes is a very mild word.
                  4. Qas
                    0
                    15 November 2021 15: 07
                    How did this breed of people make several revolutions, the last in 1917?
                    1. -4
                      15 November 2021 15: 22
                      Quote: Qas
                      How did this breed of people make several revolutions, the last in 1917?

                      Are they really peasants? And not the workers with the soldiers who later joined?
                  5. +3
                    15 November 2021 23: 51
                    Quote: Civil

                    Again the USSR is to blame? And the fact that over 400 years of serfdom, the nobles, by the method of ordinary selection, brought out a new breed of people, obedient and cowardly, did not the author consider this in any way?

                    Complete nonsense. According to the revision on the eve of the abolition of serfdom, there were about a quarter of serfs in the Republic of Ingushetia. This is certainly a lot, but after all, three-quarters were not serfs.
                    In addition, the greatest respect for rank and unwillingness to protest and defend one's rights can be seen precisely in the national subjects of the Russian Federation. Nuka, remember, where do they vote in unison for the Party of Power, with an almost 100% result? This is also a consequence of serfdom, or what? So these peoples did not have it at all. You are looking in the wrong place, alas.
                2. +1
                  15 November 2021 14: 31
                  “That was not and again.” Your passionarity arises when the number of people from 18 to 25 crosses the line of 30-35% of the population and everything old is torn to shreds. attributed by propagandists to the class teacher Leonid Brezhnev "stagnation "And no war is to blame for this,guilty are the men who women at the inxtint level did not want to give birth But for whom to give birth, traitors to the motherland? most of us took the oath to protect! If we didn’t dare to the Moscow 1989-1993 get-together, we’re worth a penny, and the women are right!
                  1. +1
                    15 November 2021 16: 00
                    Quote: Siberian54
                    and women are right!

                    women put an end to the Russian nation?
                    so what? give birth then when will they start and from whom?
                    just right to bring the ideal hero to the tribe.
                3. +3
                  15 November 2021 14: 56
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Explains by the fact that passionaries were strongly bred during the first and second world wars and revolutions .. they were replaced by opportunists.

                  this name is one hundred percent right
                  "opportunists" raised the country from ruins after the war
                  how could it be otherwise?
                  but those countries that did not fight or surrendered to the mercy of the invaders-passionaries saved their own!
                  that is what, it turns out, explains the standard of living in Switzerland and France!
                  Quote: Svarog
                  In general, I agree with this conclusion, although not pleasant. But how else to explain this paradox, I do not really understand.

                  Why look for another explanation?
                  it may seem much more unpleasant to you
                  1. -1
                    15 November 2021 15: 24
                    Quote: Flood
                    Why look for another explanation?
                    it may seem much more unpleasant to you

                    Yes, I didn’t want to disclose it either. So it will be calmer.
                4. -2
                  16 November 2021 09: 46
                  Quote: Svarog
                  This is true. I read an interesting article on this topic, where the author (I don't remember F, I, O) tried to understand and reason about the Russian mentality. So, he came to the conclusion, in the course of his reasoning, that as long as the generation of those who lived under the USSR does not leave, there will be no fundamental changes. Explains by the fact that the passionaries were strongly bred during the first and second world wars and revolutions .. they were replaced by opportunists. In general, I agree with this conclusion, although not pleasant. But how else to explain this paradox, I don't really understand.

                  And in 91 butchu against the current government did the newcomers start, or those born before 1917? lol And ask Grazhdansky Vadim: where and what did he go through? and what does it know about?
              2. +1
                15 November 2021 14: 05
                So why don't you write a dear man under your own name? You can also see it iron. Do not level people on sebe. Judging by the fact. As described in detail the feelings of these same "screamers" and "lions" - you yourself are just that!
                1. 0
                  15 November 2021 15: 24
                  Quote: Pavel cockroaches
                  So why don't you write a dear man under your own name? You can also see it iron. Do not level people on sebe. Judging by the fact. As described in detail the feelings of these same "screamers" and "lions" - you yourself are just that!

                  Never denied. This is true.
            2. +2
              15 November 2021 13: 14
              Quote: Svarog
              Tin of course. But judging by the mood of the people, we still cannot be made Zimbabweans. No, I certainly don’t know, maybe I only come across sensible people around me, but in the last year I really haven’t met anyone who was at least neutral about everything that was happening. (I don't take into account local commentators)

              Here, on the site, in recent years, pink-eyed people, kremlebots and other narrow-minded people have increased.
              1. +6
                15 November 2021 13: 36
                Quote: lis-ik
                Here, on the site, in recent years, pink-eyed people, kremlebots and other narrow-minded people have increased.

                Oddly enough, yes. Paradox ... the worse things are in the country, the louder some try to shout that everything is fine. I think this is paid.
                1. +7
                  15 November 2021 14: 05
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Here, on the site, in recent years, pink-eyed people, kremlebots and other narrow-minded people have increased.

                  Oddly enough, yes. Paradox ... the worse things are in the country, the louder some try to shout that everything is fine. I think this is paid.

                  I think that it is not a matter of paying, people want to believe in the best, and most importantly they do not want to admit to themselves that, in fact, there is no longer any strong country.
                2. AUL
                  +8
                  15 November 2021 14: 25
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Here, on the site, in recent years, pink-eyed people, kremlebots and other narrow-minded people have increased.

                  Oddly enough, yes. Paradox ... the worse things are in the country, the louder some try to shout that everything is fine. I think this is paid.

                  Well, what's so strange about that? Clackers were invented 200 years ago! And the worse the play, the more claqueters are required!
                3. 0
                  15 November 2021 14: 27
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Here, on the site, in recent years, pink-eyed people, kremlebots and other narrow-minded people have increased.

                  Oddly enough, yes. Paradox ... the worse things are in the country, the louder some try to shout that everything is fine. I think this is paid.


                  I do not think so.
                  "People of serfdom
                  Real dogs sometimes
                  The harder the punishment
                  That is how dear they are, gentlemen. "
                  / N. Nekrasov /
                  Our estates were canceled only 104 years ago. And they say that for the custom to be forgotten, it takes 7 generations.
                  1. +2
                    15 November 2021 15: 57
                    Quote: ivan2022
                    Our estates were canceled only 104 years ago. And they say that for the custom to be forgotten, it takes 7 generations.

                    you lead your family from the noblemen of the pillar, I suppose?
                4. -7
                  15 November 2021 14: 39
                  I think this is paid.

                  You may be paid, but from a different cash desk.
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              1. -9
                15 November 2021 13: 44
                "Everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving." Still, in my opinion, the glass is half full)))
            4. 0
              16 November 2021 11: 10
              "Judging by the mood of the people." Well, what kind of attitude? In fact, not in words. Here recently the oligarch Leontyev called the people rams. And I agree with him and myself from the rams, i.e. from the people, I do not separate. There are many examples. The same pension reform. In France, they also wanted to increase the exit age. So what? The people did not allow it. And we have...
          2. -5
            15 November 2021 13: 11
            Quote: Civil
            Quote: Svarog
            This is just the beginning.

            I have a feeling that this is the end.

            Far from it. Not even close. Robert Mugabe, even having brought his Zimbabwe to complete economic and political collapse, is still extremely popular among impoverished Zimbabweans. Are we worse?

            And that's no worse, we are now cooperating with them, but not anywhere, but in space.
            1. -2
              15 November 2021 13: 13
              Quote: lis-ik
              And that's no worse, we are now cooperating with them, but not anywhere, but in space.

              Junior partners?
              1. +3
                15 November 2021 14: 11
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: lis-ik
                And that's no worse, we are now cooperating with them, but not anywhere, but in space.

                Junior partners?

                Neither. Equal!
                1. +5
                  15 November 2021 14: 26
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  And that's no worse, we are now cooperating with them, but not anywhere, but in space.

                  Junior partners?

                  Neither. Equal!

                  So they got up from their knees ...
                  1. +6
                    15 November 2021 14: 48
                    Quote: Svarog
                    So they got up from their knees ...

                    Yeah. And it would be okay to just ride a Negro on a "rocket", even for free, but these idiots managed to state this with aplomb at the time when Rogozin, along with Roscosmos, was sent to ...... by the still leading space powers. In less than thirty years about ... everything, it really needs to be contrived in a country with enormous opportunities and a free reserve for centuries. Bravo!
                    1. +1
                      15 November 2021 20: 54
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      In less than thirty years about ... everything, it really needs to be contrived in a country with enormous opportunities and a free reserve for centuries. Bravo!

                      Locusts, she quickly knows how to manage food.
          3. +1
            15 November 2021 13: 49
            Quote: Civil
            Quote: Svarog
            This is just the beginning.

            I have a feeling that this is the end.

            Far from it. Robert Mugabe, even having brought his Zimbabwe to complete economic and political collapse, is still extremely popular among impoverished Zimbabweans.

            They are warm all year round and bananas do not need to be watered!
        2. -12
          15 November 2021 13: 12
          Quote: Svarog
          This is just the beginning.

          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          No, it's okay. Savings and again, as it is fashionable to say here now, this is a kind of marketing policy.
        3. -6
          15 November 2021 13: 24
          Do not hang yourself only. Otherwise, you won't wash yourself off at the trial in heaven)))
          1. +1
            15 November 2021 14: 15
            Quote: Lisa90
            Do not hang yourself only. Otherwise, you won't wash yourself off at the trial in heaven)))

            Who would say about heaven, there is definitely no place for false patriots from the United Russia.
        4. +5
          15 November 2021 13: 28
          Quote: Svarog
          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          What?
          1. -3
            15 November 2021 13: 32
            Quote: Overlock
            Quote: Svarog
            I have a feeling that this is the end.

            What?

            End of the era of Putinism.
            1. 0
              15 November 2021 15: 45
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Overlock
              Quote: Svarog
              I have a feeling that this is the end.

              What?

              End of the era of Putinism.

              No Vladimir, it's not over yet. Even if they literally do it on the head, there will still be a majority who will say that this is how it should be. Anomaly.
        5. +13
          15 November 2021 13: 31
          Quote: Svarog
          This is just the beginning.

          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          Thirty years ago, sometimes there was such a feeling ... But no. The country lives on. But people are sorry ...
          1. +2
            15 November 2021 13: 39
            Quote: Doccor18
            Quote: Svarog
            This is just the beginning.

            I have a feeling that this is the end.

            Thirty years ago, sometimes there was such a feeling ... But no. The country lives on. But people are sorry ...

            End of the era of Putinism. There is a feeling that the power and control of the country now belongs to Golikova, Siluanov, Nabiulina, Khusnulins .. And this is the beginning of a new era. But judging by the beginning, everything will be even sadder.
            1. 0
              15 November 2021 21: 01
              Quote: Svarog
              End of the era of Putinism. There is a feeling that the power and control of the country now belongs to Golikova, Siluanov, Nabiulina, Khusnulins .. And this is the beginning of a new era. But judging by the beginning, everything will be even sadder.

              Perhaps you `re right. Or perhaps this is another multi-move. The tsar left the anger of the people, at this time his associates trample all laws, earn money. But soon the king may appear and deliberately reprimand and discipline the bored ministers. The people are pleased and applauded. The ministers are defeated. Life goes on. Budgets are cut. Q codes are canceled.
              1. 0
                15 November 2021 21: 17
                Quote: veritas
                Q codes are canceled.

                Kyu is afraid with us forever ... They have nothing to do with the virus, this is control and coercion, as in a concentration camp .. personal number. And this is a symbol, a symbol of the fact that the time has come for complete lawlessness ...
        6. -20
          15 November 2021 13: 33
          Why did everyone raise the panic again? You even follow the news in your country ... by the end of 2021, it is planned to create a new system of social guarantees for residents of the Arctic.
          The main directions will be solving social problems, creating comfortable conditions and improving the quality of life of northerners, stimulating industrial production, attracting investors and ensuring state security. For residents, the standards of medical care will be improved, medical institutions will receive aviation and other necessary transport, proposals for the provision of high-tech medical care in the Far North are being considered. The supply of goods to remote settlements will be adjusted, special standards for the development of the urban environment will be developed, taking into account the natural and climatic features.
          We have arranged another tent here ... the strategies for the development of the Arctic zone until 2035 and the foundations of state policy in the Arctic are beginning to be implemented. Religion does not allow to wait for explanations before yelling everything is lost?)
          1. +9
            15 November 2021 13: 46
            And you heard, heard about this zvizdesh. Twenty years they have been singing, it only gets worse.
            1. -9
              15 November 2021 14: 09
              For God's sake. Is it just that instead of yelling is it worthwhile to get into the situation itself first? I am not saying good or bad. And I'm just showing you the reason for these actions.
              1. +6
                15 November 2021 14: 33
                Quote: carstorm 11
                For God's sake. Is it just that instead of yelling is it worthwhile to get into the situation itself first?

                To begin with, you should delve into the fulfillment of all promises. For in our country, instead of the promised improvements, it always gets worse.
                1. 0
                  15 November 2021 15: 58
                  I am deeply lilac on promises. I'm not a 15 year old girl to believe in them. I will repeat once more to judge before execution and result. Moreover, even without knowing the mechanisms of everything that should happen.
                  1. +4
                    15 November 2021 16: 08
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    I am deeply lilac on promises.

                    You are constantly here drowning for power. Isn't it dumb for a balobol with a mathematical bias to drown? For those who do not keep promises, and are not responsible for words, this is what the people call it. And you, justifying them, become with them of the same sort. bully
                    1. +1
                      15 November 2021 23: 17
                      If I am against you, this does not mean I am for power. By the way, I never drowned for her. I just got used to sorting out the questions and not barking at every bush. And who do you think I am becoming in general on the drum. There is a clear explanation for this decree. I shared it.
                      1. -2
                        16 November 2021 04: 28
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        By the way, I never drowned for her. I just got used to sorting out questions and not barking at every bush

                        Whaha ha! laughing
                        Well, don't tell me, okay?
                      2. +1
                        16 November 2021 08: 23
                        And this was not in my thoughts. It's just that all of you have been here for a long time - not with us means against. And since I will never stand next to you, then I am for your power. Logic is not enough, but it's up to you
                      3. -2
                        16 November 2021 14: 54
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        And this was not in my thoughts.

                        It is just that people who are constantly led on promises (and repeatedly not fulfilled) are usually called by the people with one short word. That is why you will never stand next to me. wink
                      4. 0
                        16 November 2021 14: 56
                        It's even easier) I don't expect anything from the state. I do not believe in your socialist blessings because your experiment destroyed itself and will be the same if you repeat it. And I ignore the losers. That's all.
                      5. -1
                        16 November 2021 15: 00
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I do not expect anything from the state.

                        Then why are you paying taxes? Are you a passive masochist or a thousandth level altruist? Then help me, I really don’t have enough money to raise three young children. wink
                      6. +1
                        16 November 2021 15: 06
                        In addition to rights, there are responsibilities. Do you think it is strange to be law-abiding? This is not altruism. Taxes for what? Well, for example, my city is very beautiful. One of the most comfortable cities in the country. Isn't it an investment for my taxes? My army is one of the most serious in the world and I sleep well. Etc. etc.
                      7. -2
                        16 November 2021 15: 08
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        In addition to rights, there are responsibilities.

                        So far, I only see requirements to fulfill duties.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        My army is one of the most serious in the world and I sleep well.

                        An optimist, damn it. laughing
                      8. +2
                        16 November 2021 15: 16
                        I’m not convincing you. Believe what you want. Do you think she is weak? Well, this is your sorrow, not mine. For me, my knowledge is enough for such an opinion received during my service in its ranks. As for the requirements to fulfill them, you either fulfill them or not. I am. And I have enough rights and basic ones. The rest I am able to achieve myself. My dad raised me as a man.
                      9. -2
                        16 November 2021 15: 19
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        My dad raised me as a man.

                        Men are entitled and able to ask for their money. wink And taxes are money that we all pay for a clearly defined list of state obligations. This is me for the promises mentioned above. wink
                      10. +2
                        16 November 2021 15: 22
                        To this I have already answered you above. I am satisfied with what they are doing at this stage of my life.
                      11. -2
                        16 November 2021 15: 24
                        Everyone is satisfied with different poses. request
                      12. +2
                        16 November 2021 15: 52
                        Obviously. Everyone has his own path.
              2. -8
                15 November 2021 14: 40
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Is it just that instead of yelling is it worthwhile to get into the situation itself first?

                It's too complicated. For many, just a phrase is enough to create their own opinion.
                So far, nothing is clear from the signed decree, there are no official explanations.
                1. +3
                  15 November 2021 14: 56
                  The authorities will always be able to say that this is halva for rotten meat, only it will not become halva from this.
              3. +9
                15 November 2021 15: 38
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Is it just that instead of yelling is it worthwhile to get into the situation itself first?

                We penetrated and felt it. Again promises
                1. -2
                  15 November 2021 15: 59
                  Well, good. It's better than just yelling.
              4. +6
                15 November 2021 17: 00
                Quote: carstorm 11
                For God's sake. Is it just that instead of yelling is it worthwhile to get into the situation itself first? I am not saying good or bad. And I'm just showing you the reason for these actions.

                Of course, I would like to hope that this NEWS is only "half" of the news and the abolition of the law on the Far North will end with the adoption of the law on the Far North in a new edition, within the framework of the same development strategy for the Arctic zone. Without this, you can get an "Arctic income", since within the framework of this "reform" the last population will be blown away from the North.
                Today, there are practically no incentives for northerners to freeze their health in the conditions of "9 months of winter, polar night and total dependence on" delivery before delivery, " The only bonus that still operated in the territories equated to the regions of the Far North was early retirement - 50x55 (55x60) versus 55x60 (60x65) in other regions of Russia. will accelerate the outflow of the able-bodied population. In 1991, 1 million 250 thousand people lived in the Komi Republic, and today 800 thousand. Along the railway dozens of abandoned stations and settlements along the streets of which wolves and bears are already roaming with might and main. liberalism, "almost half a million people have dwindled. If the strategy of the" development "of the Arctic zone is carried out precisely in this vein, without Amena of outdated laws with new ones that take into account the interests of the population, then the remnants of the northerners in the next decade can be safely halved, and it will not be possible to drag people back.
                1. -2
                  15 November 2021 19: 32
                  People's priorities have changed now, more and more people are looking for a better life with a developed infrastructure and favorable climatic conditions - alas, the regions of the north and far north do not belong to them and they will not relate at least how much money to development there.
                  1. +4
                    15 November 2021 21: 03
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    People's priorities have changed now more and more people are looking for a better life with a developed infrastructure and favorable climatic conditions

                    Did you care about the climate and infrastructure before?
                    1. +1
                      16 November 2021 13: 55
                      And before that people were brought there to construction sites and they stayed there - now if they go there, then only work on a rotational basis, and yes, the infrastructure there, as well as transport links, always left much to be desired.
                  2. +4
                    15 November 2021 22: 52
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    People's priorities have changed now, more and more people are looking for a better life with a developed infrastructure and favorable climatic conditions - alas, the regions of the north and far north do not belong to them and they will not relate at least how much money to development there.

                    In general, you have not written anything new, since the main essence of the priorities is reduced to the meaning of the proverb - "A fish is looking where it is deeper, and a person is where it is better." However, until 1991 the population of the northern regions was growing steadily, and therefore the people were satisfied with the living conditions, which cannot be said about the current day. I don’t presume to say 100%, but it seems like figures were given that at the time of the collapse of the USSR, 18,5 million people lived in the North, and by 2010, only 4,5 million.
                    The development of the infrastructure of this region directly depends on the state interest, which over the past 30 years consisted only of two types of pipes through one of which flows of oil, and through the other flows of gas. The rest was abandoned. Now, really, don't invest how much dough there, but to convince a person who warms his belly under the sun, eats fruit from his tree and earns more than a northerner with a "northern premium", it is unlikely that you will succeed in changing all this to taiga "romance". I have lived in the North for half a century and, to be honest, I miss the taiga and the people. Despite the difficulties, the northerners are friendly people and more open than the Russian man in the street. It seems that the infrastructure here is acceptable, and the climate is favorable, but everyone is angry and constantly dissatisfied with everything. I would come back, but I won't be able to move. Here, as in a joke - "I rode on the bus and thought -" Beauty will save the world! - I looked at the faces of the passengers in the cabin and realized that tomorrow the war will begin "... We will finish for thishi
                    1. -1
                      16 November 2021 14: 03
                      And what else is there to do besides mining gold nickel silver gas oil fishing and transporting goods - the Northern Sea Route can be established there, sort of like the climatic conditions coolness allows, but again, where is there so much electricity to take floating nuclear power plants to build so-so for this idea.
                      1. -1
                        16 November 2021 16: 42
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        And what else is there to do besides mining gold nickel silver gas oil fishing and transporting goods - the Northern Sea Route can be established there, sort of like the climatic conditions coolness allows, but again, where is there so much electricity to take floating nuclear power plants to build so-so for this idea.

                        Do you not admit the idea that the extracted minerals can be at least partially processed on the spot and sold a finished product, and not raw materials? If there was a state interest, there would be electricity.
          2. +16
            15 November 2021 14: 17
            Quote: carstorm 11
            The main directions will be solving social problems, creating comfortable conditions and improving the quality of life of northerners,

            On the principle of solving the problems of the FIU? No retirees - no problem? laughing
            1. -14
              15 November 2021 14: 20
              Are we playing a guessing game?) I repeat, I just pointed out why this solution grew. How do I implement it without a clue.
              1. +2
                15 November 2021 17: 14
                But this is very simple. It ONLY gets worse.
          3. +14
            15 November 2021 14: 27
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Why did everyone raise the panic again? You at least follow the news in your country ... by the end of 2021 is planned creation of a new system of social guarantees for residents of the Arctic.
            The main directions will solving social problems, creating comfortable conditions and improving the quality of life of northerners, stimulating industrial production, attracting investors and ensuring state security. For residents improve standards of medical care, medical institutions get aviation and other necessary transport, considered proposals for the provision of high-tech medical care in the Far North. Will get better delivery of goods to remote settlements, will be developed special standards for the development of the urban environment, taking into account the natural and climatic features.
            We have arranged another tent here ... development strategies Arctic zone Until 2035 year and the foundations of state policy in the Arctic begin to execute. Religion does not allow to wait for explanations before yelling everything is lost?)

            Really. What kind of irresponsible people have gone? No matter how much you promise them a bright future, everything is not enough.
          4. +11
            15 November 2021 14: 30
            ... by the end of 2021, it is planned to create a new system of social guarantees for residents of the Arctic.
            The main directions will be the solution of social problems, ...

            And how does this concern Karelia, if it was expelled from the SeverOv?
            The article seems to be about it.
            Who served there, tell me, Polarians in areas "equated" how did they go?
            1. -12
              15 November 2021 14: 34
              Regulations. One will be replaced by another for example. Or something similar. I have no idea.
              1. AUL
                +10
                15 November 2021 16: 33
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I have no idea.

                but disciplined - "for!"
                1. -5
                  15 November 2021 23: 29
                  Where did I say FOR? In which place? You just have to think and then be indignant.
          5. -13
            15 November 2021 14: 42
            Religion does not allow to wait for explanations before yelling everything is lost?)

            Well, what are you here with appeals to reason, immediately minus. This is an excuse for pouring slops around everything, as if all the participants were not involved in everything that was happening.
          6. +10
            15 November 2021 14: 48
            Quote: carstorm 11
            by the end of 2021, it is planned to create a new system of social guarantees for residents of the Arctic.

            As well as 25 million new jobs laughing
            1. +5
              15 November 2021 14: 59
              Quote: Silvestr
              As well as 25 million new jobs

              The authorities are preparing other jobs now. Even a new GOST was accepted on the graves.
              1. +3
                15 November 2021 15: 05
                And some in Siberia are already training in advance to dig graves for speed and quality, and even hold competitions ...
                1. -1
                  15 November 2021 19: 35
                  In the meantime, some are simple and from Siberia - for the distillation of graves, the rest of the normal people are digging new factories, factories of GOK and HPP GRES gas pipelines railways bridges roads and the entire infrastructure.
              2. +2
                15 November 2021 21: 04
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The authorities are preparing other jobs now. Even a new GOST was accepted on the graves.

                They insist on disposing of the population.
            2. AUL
              +4
              15 November 2021 16: 35
              Quote: Silvestr
              As well as 25 million new jobs

              Duc it covid, cursed! This is all because of him, hateful!
              1. +4
                15 November 2021 17: 15
                Quote from AUL
                Duc it covid, cursed! This is all because of him, hateful!

                In such a situation, even if it did not exist, they would have invented it
            3. +5
              15 November 2021 17: 16
              25 million jobs! This should be recorded in the Guinness Book of Records! Like the most blatant lie.
              1. -4
                15 November 2021 19: 40
                This is not a blatant lie, just Putin did not understand what he read in the May decrees, these 25 million jobs are recorded as individual entrepreneurs created and created until 2024. To create 25 million highly qualified jobs, you need to find 25 million highly qualified unemployed in Russia and 100000 cannot be found since all of them are already working.
                1. +2
                  15 November 2021 20: 46
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  This is not a blatant lie, just Putin did not understand what he read in the May Decrees

                  So it was not Putin who wrote the May decrees?
                  1. +1
                    16 November 2021 14: 05
                    He alone does not painfully compose Maiski's voluminous decrees for one person.
                    1. -1
                      16 November 2021 19: 00
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      He alone does not painfully compose Maiski's voluminous decrees for one person.

                      He read. Moreover, he made these promises before the 2012 elections.
                2. 0
                  16 November 2021 06: 16
                  And what is IP? It seems that there was something like that, BEFORE Putin's rule.
                  1. +1
                    16 November 2021 14: 07
                    Individual entrepreneurs - the development of small private business 25 million in the decrees just about this.
          7. AUL
            +6
            15 November 2021 16: 27
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Why did everyone raise the panic again? You even follow the news in your country ... by the end of 2021, it is planned to create a new system of social guarantees for residents of the Arctic.

            Really! They have already been promised so much, but they are all unhappy!
        7. +5
          15 November 2021 13: 39
          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          Stirlitz put his hand into his pocket. "This is the end, but where is the gun?"
        8. +11
          15 November 2021 13: 49
          Quote: Svarog
          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          Rather, it is just the beginning.
          And the day-day former uncle of their sea cursed, Although he had his own plot near Moscow.
          You calm down, calm down, longing in my chest, This is just a saying, a fairy tale ahead.

          Be optimistic, there is still much to be desired, the hold of the sinking ship is half empty, and the bottle of spilled vodka is still half full.
        9. +15
          15 November 2021 13: 53
          ...... some regions of Karelia were equated to the regions of the Far North.

          What caused the decision of the GDP? There, the tropics appeared. I was in Karelia for 3 years: frosts under 40 degrees, mosquitoes in summer and very bad water (a lot of iron). Now people are scampering from Karelia to Moscow to earn money. And why shouldn't Moscow be deprived of its status as a capital and deprived of all benefits of the local population, the local officials and thieves who are snuffed up?
          1. +6
            15 November 2021 14: 01
            Quote: frruc
            And why not deprive Moscow of its status as a capital and deprive the local population of all benefits?

            The authorities are afraid to joke with Muscovites .. because 15 million is a force. And if she wakes up, then it will not seem a little. Although in defense of Muscovites, I can say that living in Moscow is less comfortable, traffic jams, crowds of people in the subway .. half a day before work, real estate is very expensive, migrants are all around .. but of course there are positive moments, but to feel them you need to earn good money I lived there for five years.
            1. +11
              15 November 2021 14: 08
              Nowadays it is impossible for an ordinary mortal to buy housing in Moscow. All thieves flock there from all over the country and live on stolen money. With regard to a good salary, such a job (highly paid) can be found either for a large bribe, or on the principle of nepotism. After all, the fish rots from the head.
              1. +7
                15 November 2021 14: 10
                Quote: frruc
                Nowadays it is impossible for an ordinary mortal to buy housing in Moscow.

                Yes, not only in Moscow .. In Kazan, prices are already close to Moscow .. With real estate, some kind of tin ... despite the fact that the walls are getting thinner every year.
                Here Vesta is already worth a million ... soon people will not be able to buy a car for themselves, given that incomes are only falling.
            2. +10
              15 November 2021 15: 46
              Quote: Svarog

              The authorities are afraid to joke with Muscovites ... because 15 million is power

              Revolutions take place in capitals, in provinces - only riots.
            3. +3
              15 November 2021 16: 06
              Earning good money I would never go to this gadyushnik (Moscow). There are many regions that are comfortable for life (although they are all in the European part of the country).
          2. +8
            15 November 2021 15: 44
            Quote: frruc
            What caused the decision of the GDP?

            What do you want from a person who is familiar with geography.
            He simply confused the southern coast of the White or Barents Sea with the northern coast of the Black Sea. It happens to everyone request

            1. +6
              15 November 2021 16: 05
              the southern coast of the White or Barents Sea with the northern coast of the Black
              we used to joke like that. The South Coast of Crimea is better than the South Coast of the Barents Sea.
              And yes Omsk 54 north latitude, Krasnodar 44 degrees.
          3. AUL
            +6
            15 November 2021 16: 49
            Quote: frruc
            all the benefits of the local population, there are snickering officials and thieves?

            Well, Moscow officials and thieves (in fact, the same thing) will not disappear without benefits!
          4. 0
            15 November 2021 18: 38
            Because revolutions take place in the capitals, and on the outskirts there are only riots.
          5. +2
            15 November 2021 20: 49
            Quote: frruc
            What caused the decision of the GDP? There, the tropics appeared.

            Global warming, I guess. Soon tangerines and lemons will grow there.
        10. -1
          15 November 2021 13: 59
          laughing Probably hard to live with the feeling of the end?
          1. -8
            15 November 2021 14: 44
            Probably hard to live with the feeling of the end?

            And for them it is the meaning of existence with a "sense of the end," so they see their struggle for the right cause, or for the left.
            1. -6
              15 November 2021 15: 04
              Yeah. winked There would be a reason, but there will be those who want to "feel". Especially among the impatient and nervous. "Residents of Komi were agitated by the information about the abolition of northern allowances in the region. However, the Government explained that in fact this is just a misunderstanding. Everything will remain the same as before." (C)
              1. +8
                15 November 2021 15: 47
                Quote: Captive
                The government was told that this was actually just a misunderstanding.

                "Misunderstood", "taken out of context". We know, we heard
          2. 0
            15 November 2021 19: 21
            Hard!!!!! Airat depends on where in his body to get this end. Vasily Ivanovich, do you smell a grenade in your anus? And the ring is here it !!!!
          3. +1
            15 November 2021 19: 42
            Most schizophrenics suffer from this.
        11. +1
          15 November 2021 23: 04
          Quote: Svarog

          I have a feeling that this is the end.

          The Vertical's brain flew into a parallel world and does not get in touch. laughing
          Naturally. After the cleansing of the real opposition and any protest, it could not have been otherwise.
    2. +10
      15 November 2021 12: 50
      And why should we be surprised? At Novy Port and Sobet, many employers are already cutting wages with yelps. that you are already rolling on the asphalt. Purpe and Novy Urengoy are generally the middle lane (Big land, however). The daily allowance on Vishera is 600 rubles (this is together with the route), while a business trip, not a watch. Us -------, and we are getting stronger.
      1. +12
        15 November 2021 13: 00
        Very cleverly cut. Gas and meat offices and others like them received and received. And everything beyond the doorsteps of the offices is outsourced, 90% of which belongs to the bosses.
        And it's good if you're lucky to get a job in the first contractor, and not to a subcontractor
        1. +4
          15 November 2021 18: 27
          The Yamal theme can be twisted for a long time. Spetsgaztarantas (30 years on the pipe) was removed from the run. Several more old "blacks" who were raising the deposits were removed. How many animals are now driving small contracts, it's even scary. All catering and food-Caucasian. You are Mikhail, apparently in the subject, it is not profitable to work with gas workers, it is not enough that they lay their own materials (basically TU instead of GOST, so also the execution of dynamites up to a year). Let it. ONLY MAT IN TEN FLOORS.
          1. +3
            15 November 2021 18: 36
            Another project with Gazprom - and another ass for payment. Of course, in the know. Laughter through tears while working with national treasure.
            In addition, any purchase over 500 rubles is decided through a tender. This is where the fun begins))) The whole point of Gazmyas is in an anecdote:
            “I'm afraid I won't be able to win your company's tender.
            - And we argue about 20% that you can?
            1. +2
              15 November 2021 19: 13
              Continuation of the anecdote - after the signing of the tender on the spot - the papers go to Maskvobad - return unilaterally 0.68. In case of refusal to work, the black list of Gazmyas. I'm better at home)))) Especially since the girl designer-estimator is not greedy (holy man). We tried a new scheme (15% without trade for small businesses) you drown in muculature, approvals, training, admissions. Many offices are already trying to give their podstabashit-28% you the rest of the guys cash give-execution on the first whistle. Just lifted. The director (owner) decided - you can at home and in the snout. Houses and walls decide questions)))))
      2. -4
        15 November 2021 13: 55
        At 15g in Sabetta, one doctor was and then came to him - he to me - you are in what organization - I told him so-and-so, well, go to the trailer and have some pills you have
    3. +13
      15 November 2021 12: 50
      wink To be fair, it is necessary to send employees of the central office to the Far North. Let them get it.
      1. +11
        15 November 2021 13: 30
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        it is necessary to send employees of the central office to the Far North.

        to felling
      2. +2
        15 November 2021 18: 38
        Don't worry about them. They do not get out of business trips from the North and do not forget to add northern experience to their business trips. So, working in Moscow and St. Petersburg, you can retire earlier
    4. +7
      15 November 2021 14: 31
      It is easier to remove all offices from Moscow (and not only) to the same place where their departmental enterprises are located, having previously "optimized" them.
    5. +6
      15 November 2021 14: 51
      What is Karelia? 200 km from Peter begins (as a subject). Also for me the Far North.
      North of Kostomuksha it's still so and so, with a stretch ...
      Here, in non-rubber Moscow, it would be possible to eliminate the possibility of tax registration of various kinds of Rosneft and other Lukoil. And oblige them to pay taxes at the location of the main production.
      Nobody forbids having a head office in Moscow, but at least 10. But the money must be in the regions.
      1. 0
        15 November 2021 19: 47
        They do not pay taxes to Moscow, they pay taxes to the federal budget Moscow, the federal budget does not give anything, since Moscow and the region are not subsidized regions.
        1. 0
          16 November 2021 01: 04
          Quote: Vadim237
          They do not pay taxes to Moscow, they pay taxes to the federal budget Moscow, the federal budget does not give anything, since Moscow and the region are not subsidized regions.

          Well hello ... we arrived.
          Regional taxes:
          Transport, property tax.
          Local taxes:
          Land tax
          This is the city of Moscow, the capital of our Motherland, receives. Quite to the full program.

          1. 0
            16 November 2021 14: 11
            All these taxes that you have listed and Moscow itself transfers to the federal budget. You do not confuse Moscow and its budget with the federal budget, the regions pay just the latter.
    6. 0
      15 November 2021 23: 09
      And Moscow would not hurt, otherwise the employees of the central office receive more than (for example) from Novy Urengoy, even taking into account the "northern" ones.


      A city of our common bright and unprecedented future is being built there, so it is not surprising that there have long been "Martian" ones, instead of the outdated, antediluvian and small "northern" ones. It is difficult to build an unprecedented dream city in an uncomfortable and hostile environment, lifeless outside the Moscow Ring Road ... but they said that the pure impulses of the architectural soul ended in the 20s - but no, the souls of our construction officials and tycoons are burning, burning like a torch , lead, like Danko, they persistently us, picking up the clean banner of the "builders of communism", in their vision and understanding of the future.
  2. +18
    15 November 2021 12: 44
    Northern payments are being cut, there is no "but maybe something else, but good." The gentlemen who make such decisions would have lived in these "suddenly warmer" regions fool
    1. +3
      15 November 2021 12: 48
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      Northern payments are being cut, there is no "but maybe something else, but good." The gentlemen who make such decisions would have lived in these "suddenly warmer" regions fool

      They are generally purple on people. More precisely not so .. it used to be purple, but now they already hate.
      1. +5
        15 November 2021 13: 10
        I don’t know, I don’t know. Drugan went to build a port of "Putin" from the sea on Taimyr, 220 thousand a month, ballast material will be transported from Murmansk and Arkhangelsk.
  3. +3
    15 November 2021 12: 48
    Maybe someone from Murmansk will comment. Northern at the discretion of the employer, and travel on vacation once every 2 years for free? But what about the sea? 12,5 years of sea and sitting waiting for a pension on the shore? This is no longer?
    1. +6
      15 November 2021 13: 15
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And what about the sea? 12,5 years of sea and sitting waiting for a pension on the shore?

      It's easier for you, and I had to plow for 25 years to retire, although then I plowed for another 24 years anyway.
      1. 0
        15 November 2021 13: 30
        And if I say that if you have been sailing on the same ship for years, then vacations are included in the sailing experience, until 2007 it was a tricky option, but it was so, not many knew about it.
        1. +4
          15 November 2021 14: 45
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And if I say that if you have been sailing on the same ship for years, then vacations are included in the sea experience, until 2007 it was.

          Everything was fine with us, I got it every day, although the Union had already collapsed, but the law worked for another 5 years. And then under the flag.
  4. +12
    15 November 2021 12: 53
    State Duma deputy Valentina Pivnenko said dealing with the problems of the North for a long time in general and Karelia in particular, this decree came as a "surprise" to her.

    It will be unexpected if they begin to deal with all the problems of the history of the EBN government ...
    1. +6
      15 November 2021 14: 40
      I fully agree with the period of the pseudo-reign of the false Boriska.
      If for Pivnenko this decree was a surprise, then for me it was a complete surprise how she imitated such creative activity in the State Duma for a long time? And how long is he going to be engaged in his petty-making? Why are these deputies not dismissed under the article "Service inconsistency"?
  5. 0
    15 November 2021 12: 55
    The trend however ... climate warming and ... brain thinning is somehow connected.
  6. +13
    15 November 2021 13: 00
    Everything is logical! After increasing the retirement age, the state will also get rid of another financial burden aimed at social benefits! And as for people - when were we asked?
    1. +12
      15 November 2021 13: 16
      Quote: ioan-e
      State after increasing the retirement age

      Not the state, but pseudo-power, which, apart from its selfish interests, does not want to know anything.
      1. -4
        15 November 2021 13: 45
        Quote: lis-ik
        Quote: ioan-e
        State after increasing the retirement age

        Not the state, but pseudo-power, which, apart from its selfish interests, does not want to know anything.

        Call it what you want, it doesn't change the essence of the matter.
    2. +6
      15 November 2021 13: 33
      Quote: ioan-e
      The state, after increasing the retirement age, gets rid of

      Is it okay that in a year 1.5 million pensioners "licked their tongue"?
      What is already here
      Quote: ioan-e
      ... the financial burden on social benefits

      when you need to steal - the Titanic sailed
      1. 0
        15 November 2021 13: 49
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: ioan-e
        The state, after increasing the retirement age, gets rid of

        Is it okay that in a year 1.5 million pensioners "licked their tongue"?
        What is already here
        Quote: ioan-e
        ... the financial burden on social benefits

        when you need to steal - the Titanic sailed

        Unfortunately, I did not understand you. hi
        1. +7
          15 November 2021 13: 57
          Quote: ioan-e
          Unfortunately, I did not understand you

          Everything is simple - the vertical is crumbling, each region is on its own. The system is supported by bayonets. How long can you sit on bayonets?
          1. -1
            15 November 2021 14: 41
            Quote: Overlock
            How long can you sit on bayonets?

            If you are an Indian yogi, then a little longer! laughing
    3. +2
      15 November 2021 21: 33
      Quote: ioan-e
      gets rid of the other financial burden aimed at social benefits!

      And here you can think of a lot. Abolish the Chernobyl zones with benefits, for example. 35 years have passed, the radiation has already evaporated.
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      2. +12
        15 November 2021 13: 33
        Quote: lis-ik
        His classmates called him a moth

        Well this is necessary, the moth ate the country request
        1. -1
          15 November 2021 15: 14
          Naphthalene not long to wait laughing
      3. -1
        15 November 2021 14: 01
        moth so all the Bear observes
      4. +3
        15 November 2021 15: 44
        Outwardly yes laughing soul and in deeds and actions are still rat undertakings.
        1. +1
          15 November 2021 15: 46
          Quote: kitpit
          Outwardly yes laughing soul and in deeds and actions are still rat undertakings.

          There are fucking assistants there.
  8. +4
    15 November 2021 13: 01
    We first throw out some information, and then explanations and explanations begin. Usually they do the opposite. I wonder how artificial intelligence will work in Russia? It would be nice to rely on common sense after all.
    1. +5
      15 November 2021 13: 21
      "At first they throw out some information, and then explanations and explanations begin. Usually they do the opposite."

      But why?
      On the contrary, it makes sense to do only if you are going to discuss, ask, take into account, etc.
      And if no one is interested in the opinion of the inhabitants, then they report it after the fact!
    2. +7
      15 November 2021 13: 34
      Quote: 1536
      I wonder how artificial intelligence will work in Russia?

      No way! Tangerines will not be born from aspen
    3. 0
      15 November 2021 13: 49
      Quote: 1536
      I wonder how artificial intelligence will work in Russia?

      Like Skynet from a famous film - to get rid of the entire population in one fell swoop without warning, and then, according to Russian tradition, a glass for a mention without clinking glasses ...
  9. +7
    15 November 2021 13: 06
    In Karelia I looked, 5 districts are the regions of the Far North, and the rest are equated to it. And these are two big differences. And they are not graded in latitude. Under the USSR, the Far North ended in the Murmansk region in Kandalaksha.
  10. +1
    15 November 2021 13: 08
    First - supply and northern delivery in the Far East, now this is also .. the diesel engine is peddling along the way ..
  11. +6
    15 November 2021 13: 10
    And I immediately remembered "there is no money, but you are holding on" ..
  12. +5
    15 November 2021 13: 15
    Something like this.

  13. +3
    15 November 2021 13: 18
    This is necessary, what does global warming do to the country ?! belay
    And in fact, what is there to do in the north, let's go to Moscow!
    Or is it not global warming, but ordinary insanity?
    1. +6
      15 November 2021 14: 03
      it has already been occupied by Caucasians and Central Asians
  14. 0
    15 November 2021 13: 22
    Perhaps the matter is in the export of timber. I don't know for sure, but maybe there were some restrictions on felling, but now they are gone
    1. 0
      15 November 2021 14: 51
      Perhaps the matter is in the export of timber.

      From 2022, the export of round timber will be banned. Only recycled wood.
      1. +7
        15 November 2021 15: 05
        Quote: Stepan S
        From 2022, the export of round timber will be banned. Only recycled wood.

        That is why timber export for 10 months this year exceeded timber export by one and a half times last year. laughing
        1. -2
          15 November 2021 19: 55
          Globally, this felling will not in any way affect the forest resources of Russia, which will be enough for 500 years if you cut every year in the same way as now. And a new enterprise for 30 billion rubles for wood processing in Karelia will be built by the end of 2023 and with its appearance and work, the republic's GDP will grow by 10%
          1. -2
            15 November 2021 21: 43
            Quote: Vadim237
            Globally, this deforestation will not in any way affect the forest resources of Russia.

            Plucking your hair out in clumps will not affect your head on a global scale. laughing
            1. 0
              16 November 2021 14: 20
              And here is my hair, and here are the shreds - we are talking about the forest and the figures are available at the moment the forest fund in Russia will be enough for 500 years of felling if every year 150 - 190 million cubic meters are cut down as it is now. And fires for the renewal of the forest fund are useful and laid down by nature for the permafrost territories, since without them many species of trees and plants will disappear.
  15. +2
    15 November 2021 13: 25
    Karelia loses the status of a territory equated to the regions of the Far North.

    Remembered
    You will learn that in vain they call the Extreme North

    You will see, it is endless, I give it to you ...
    It's okay that there are blizzards, it doesn't matter that the cold

    If you love the north, you will never stop loving ...

    Why in a blanket? The heating does not work, did Gazprom turn off the gas in the building for non-payment? smile
  16. +3
    15 November 2021 13: 30
    Karelia cannot get out of the crisis anyway, but here is such "help"
  17. +4
    15 November 2021 13: 31
    Yes, in Russia everything that is higher than Titterburg is the Far North. Few people know that the north is not a climate, it is remoteness, savagery and backwardness. And Titterburg is the last city with a relatively normal life. And in Norway, even almost on Svalbard, it is gratifying to live.
    1. 0
      15 November 2021 14: 09
      Where is "Titerburg"? If we are talking about the northernmost metropolis, then please do not offend my small homeland.
  18. +1
    15 November 2021 13: 33
    10.11.2021/0,5/2 Governor of the Murmansk Region Andrey Chibis signed an order according to which from 2022 million to XNUMX million will be received by medical workers who will move in XNUMX to work in settlements in the Far North and equivalent territories, as well as in the Arctic zone.

    Here, the little chest just opens. This was done in order to bring down an unheard-of influx of doctors (almost wrote migrants) who rushed to find a job. They say so many doctors the Murmansk budget does not pull, and soon there will be no one to treat, so they closed the loophole for "greedy" medical workers.
    1. +2
      15 November 2021 23: 39
      Something I am a frenzied influx of doctors in the closed city of Aleksandrovsk, Murmansk region. did not notice. Really qualified honey. help can be obtained only in Murmansk, and even then to a greater extent from private medical companies.
  19. +1
    15 November 2021 13: 40
    Fools. NATURALLY, you will not see the benefits as your ears!
  20. +1
    15 November 2021 13: 45
    What can I say, first of all it will hit the state employees. With their tariff scale 30% of the regional coefficient is significant, this is for the former regions equated to the Far North. And this is 68% of the territory of Karelia, I myself live in Petrozavodsk. For the regions of the Far North, everything remains the same, 30% of the regional coefficient plus 80% of the Poles, but this is again for state employees. In private business, no one has bothered with northern allowances for a long time. The bad news is that vacations will be cut.
  21. +3
    15 November 2021 13: 52
    I don’t know how in Karelia, but there are very few people in the north of Buryatia. Is that Severobaikalsk will hurt. It will be a shame and so fewer and fewer fools fight with nature for a pittance.
  22. +4
    15 November 2021 14: 01
    I wonder why under the USSR Karelia was not included in the "extreme north"? Maybe the Gulf Stream is to blame? It brings warmth to Europe. In the same Far East, in these latitudes, it is winter - Mama do not cry. What really, if Vladivostok is at the latitude of Sochi, but there is clearly no smell of subtropics. Maybe it was worthwhile to separate the concepts of "just a dummy" and "a scribe what a dummy ... such that it is impossible to live" .. In general, you need to take the graphs of temperature statistics and compare. If the temperatures in Karelia correspond, for example, to the Northern Urals or the Amur Region (where frosts are down to -50), then what kind of "northern coefficients" can we talk about? They were generally invented in order to drag people to the most uncomfortable territories for living.
    1. -1
      16 November 2021 02: 54
      Your sensible reasoning is not needed by those who are looking for any reason to turn against the authorities, this is a delight of the soul for them and these people do not need anything else, they are so sharpened. These will die out, others will replace them and continue to exercise under any power and under any circumstances.
  23. 0
    15 November 2021 14: 04
    Curious. Two years +, for length of service, in Karelia. Will it be taken away or not?
    1. +1
      15 November 2021 14: 16
      No. They will be removed to the current warriors.
  24. -2
    15 November 2021 14: 07
    It is interesting to leave comments on a known controlled resource! :) Straight to the point of laughter! The only pity is that you already want to cry from what is happening in the country.
    1. 0
      15 November 2021 14: 09
      But this is Russia. When did she live well? Literally a couple of decades under the USSR. Nothing else comes to mind from the course of history.
  25. +1
    15 November 2021 14: 10
    And privileges will be removed, in connection with this decree, from those who live in these regions that have fallen under the reduction ...
  26. -4
    15 November 2021 14: 22
    Quote: Svarog
    This is just the beginning.

    I have a feeling that this is the end.

    Not the end.
    It's just that VVP wants to install dredging and bottom cleaning equipment.
  27. -1
    15 November 2021 14: 44
    How many times have I been to Karelia, but I still do not understand where the "North" is from. Tiksi, Dixon, Novaya Zemlya, Murmansk - I understand that this is "North". But "Karelia" - I don't understand ...
    1. +7
      15 November 2021 15: 39
      You probably went there on a voucher: Ruskeala, Valaam, Ladoga, Onega, mushrooms, berries ... and you will understand all the charm of the romance there.
      1. -2
        15 November 2021 18: 11
        You shouldn’t tell me about the delights of local romance. From 5 to 16 years old I lived on Novaya Zemlya. My father served there. I can hardly be convinced that Karelia is the North.))) Slightly cooler than in the middle lane.
        1. +1
          15 November 2021 19: 49
          In the middle lane, apricots grow, and there are cloudberries in the swamps, houses are lower, and the asphalt is thinner. And so it is almost the same thing. hi
          My father went there to replace, probably a service with double odds. and served there 11 years = 22 years of service. Not bad. I was kicked from Kamchatka after 3 years, I would have served there. I mean the local population, what is it like for them? On Novaya Zemlya, the local population is polar bears and arctic foxes?
          1. +2
            15 November 2021 20: 42
            You have stated everything correctly. How then, Finns, Norwegians, live in a similar climate? They, too, are the polarians paid?
            1. +2
              15 November 2021 21: 08
              They have the Sami in Lapland. I was not there, I wonder how they live, I have to read it.
              1. 0
                15 November 2021 23: 29
                So I was not there, but interesting. But my opinion is, as long as the North keeps on the polar regions, there will always be an outflow of the population. And not only the polar companies need to be supported, but also with subsidies for construction (private), to develop other industries, except for mining. And I didn’t understand the vacation for two months. Two weeks to sunbathe in the south and there is nothing more to do there. Pulls home. That I have not seen the sea? .. My godson lives in the North. Works. Satisfied with the climate and salary. (he was born and raised in the North) He says himself, in the middle band of the salary, only to feed the cats. What to do there? By the way, my classmate is serving in Kamchatka. Satisfied - as hell. He is an avid fisherman. He himself is from Ryazan, but from the Far East, as I understand it, he does not even think about leaving.
  28. +5
    15 November 2021 14: 45
    Of course, at the request of the workers?

    I will stand at the window at night.
    And stand all night without sleep
    All worried about Rasee,
    How is she, poor woman? ©
  29. +1
    15 November 2021 15: 08
    Well ... with one stroke of the pen, he deprived the hard workers every year of spending hard-earned tugriks! .. now they will need to save up for 2 years wassat to take out the whole family
  30. +5
    15 November 2021 15: 17
    Well, what Yeltsin decrees should be canceled? Privatization? What for? We deprive people of northern benefits, so it is more economical.
  31. -12
    15 November 2021 15: 19
    Good whine, nothing will change. Following the presidential decree, a decree of the Russian government "On approval of the List of regions of the Far North and localities equated to regions of the Far North" will be signed, preserving all the benefits. It's simple, since that time, many subjects have changed their names and boundaries.
  32. +5
    15 November 2021 15: 25
    The actions of the administration, a person imitating the guarantor and leader of a nuclear power on television, who for more than 20 years has been telling us the same thing, what he must do to make everyone feel good, together with incomprehensible feeding organizations for ghouls engaged only in imitating violent activities and organs such as some kind of democracy, the actions of the corrupt nobility by chance came to power, they all already represent a direct and obvious threat to the Russian state.
    The owners of money, through 3 second-hand girls, began at an increased pace to purposefully destroy the economic, scientific and other potential through the Central Bank's policy of withdrawing funds and gold from under the jurisdiction of the state into hostile economies to solve their problems. And 2 more are engaged in purposeful and methodical physical destruction and cleansing of the country's territory from the indigenous population according to the WHO methods, one prepared the "soil" by destroying medicine and the most "stubborn" ones, acquiring the appropriate factories, and the second organized terror, the orders of which are higher than the constitution and laws, Gestapo babble on sophistication with this lady. To the delight of the survivors of the Sberbank, to the delight of the head of Sberbank with his London accomplices and sidekick, the mayor of the capital metropolis, to brand the brand like cattle in front of the slaughterhouse, for accounting and control All this is accompanied by the irrepressible screams of the completely degraded media from every iron, in the fragments of programs inserted into advertising "horror, horror, tomorrow we will all die" between the news about snow in Siberia and the Arctic in winter, even about horror in the capital. And the guarantor, who is already ignored even by his own dog and the whole environment, everything is fine, the TV is working, the people on the screen are joyful, the boyars obediently nod their heads.
  33. 0
    15 November 2021 15: 25
    This is due to global warming, eh? what
  34. -3
    15 November 2021 15: 42
    ... the remaining 62% are equated to the regions of the Far North.

    Maybe there was no need to be a greyhound in due time then and would not be so bitter now?
  35. 0
    15 November 2021 16: 34
    While nothing is clear from the signed decree,


    But to see who will sing what about this is extremely entertaining ...)))
  36. 0
    15 November 2021 20: 11
    The more I look at all this, the more I remember the Soviet cartoon Chippolino based on the tale of Gianni Rodari, so we expect :)))
  37. 0
    15 November 2021 23: 17
    Why are the servants of the people doing everything to make their people live worse than Africa ???
  38. 0
    16 November 2021 02: 41
    Quote: Civil
    And we are the worse

    What are you talking about! YOU are better, much better than some Zimbabweans.
  39. 0
    16 November 2021 04: 02
    Quote: Svarog

    Lies all around.
    And yes, I have not seen any of those who rewrite at all .. In '10 we went from door to door. This time no one noticed the census.

    Should I tell you about lies? Well, I, for example, saw. I was just visiting a friend in the village. We went to all the yards.
  40. 0
    16 November 2021 04: 11
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Yes Volodya.
    By the way, did you notice yet another star of the authorities when they recently reported on the results of the population census? 97% of the population was officially interviewed! wassat
    But the question is, whose population did they interview? Almost no one came to see anyone, and people themselves were not questioned in public services! laughing

    I don’t know how about 97%, but otherwise you are 100% liar. I especially liked "people themselves were not questioned in public services." Well, how do you know about this? Aren't you ashamed to lie?))
  41. 0
    16 November 2021 05: 49
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    97% of the population was officially interviewed!
    But the question is, whose population did they interview? Almost no one came to see anyone, and people themselves were not questioned in public services!

    I heard it on the radio today. And I thought the same .. Mastered the funds ..
    And the joke is that according to preliminary census data, the population is growing strongly in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
    Lies all around.
    And yes, I have not seen any of those who rewrite at all .. In '10 we went from door to door. This time no one noticed the census.

    They walk.
    We went recently.
    And the most interesting thing, show them the passport and the QR code.
  42. +3
    16 November 2021 09: 46
    Now the northerners do not need to move to the South. South goes to them.
  43. 0
    16 November 2021 10: 08
    I'm embarrassed to ask why he dressed up in this lapserdak request
  44. +1
    16 November 2021 10: 47
    Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
    I'm embarrassed to ask why he dressed up in this lapserdak request

    Etiquette.
    I suspect that it has survived from the old days, when such events were held in semi-open buildings or even in the open air. "Towels" - this is so that birds do not shit on rich clothes .. well, and so that everything looks not like at a fair, but in a single color scheme.
  45. +1
    16 November 2021 11: 13
    The guarantor secretly signed this document. Previously, this document did not appear anywhere. Like the 18th year of the pension reform. This means that all this will definitely affect the local people. In our country, everything that affects the people in a bad sense is done in chihara. They always trumpet for beggarly handouts for the early.
  46. 0
    16 November 2021 12: 15
    Then it would not hurt Moscow to give the status of Uryupinsk
  47. +1
    16 November 2021 16: 09
    About 25 years ago Sakhalin lost the same status. Some clever guy from the State Duma ran his finger over the map and discovered that Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is on the same parallel with Sochi.
    Nobody explained anything to him about snowstorms and 2 meters high snowdrifts a day. Well, the prices for food in that region (for example, when a dozen eggs on the mainland cost 10 rubles, there it cost 25)
    As a result, the people from Sakhalin began to dump en masse. Apartments were sold for a penny and left for the middle lane or the Krasnodar Territory
  48. -1
    17 November 2021 02: 37
    The West is twisting his arms and brain to Putin! Putin mocks the Russians in response! Putin suffers, and therefore the people will tolerate.
  49. 0
    17 November 2021 08: 55
    The list of regions equated to the Far North has been reduced
    From January 1, 2022, the Republic of Karelia will be excluded from it, as well as the following territories:

    Barguzinsky, Kurumkansky and Okinsky regions of the Republic of Buryatia;
    Pechora, Izhemsky, Ust-Tsilemsky, Knyazhpogostsky, Koygorodsky, Kortkerossky, Priluzsky, Syktyvdinsky, Sysolsky, Ust-Vymsky, Ust-Kulomsky districts and the city of Syktyvkar of the Komi Republic;
    Gainsky, Kosinsky and Kochevsky districts of the Komi-Permyak Autonomous Okrug.
  50. 0
    17 November 2021 10: 24
    Can he sign something for the people? Anti-people comprador power ... a shame
  51. 0
    17 November 2021 11: 50
    Earlier, President Putin canceled Boris Yeltsin's decree. In a document from 1993, certain regions of Karelia were equated to living conditions in the Far North as part of changes to the Development Strategy of the Arctic Zone. The Kremlin called the changes in the decree technical.

    The government emphasized that the list of territories has not changed in terms of geography. All residents of territories who previously received bonuses will continue to receive benefits and the compensation and government guarantees that they are entitled to.