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Errors of Armenia and the success of Azerbaijan ("Journal of Turkish Weekly" Turkey)

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Errors of Armenia and the success of Azerbaijan ("Journal of Turkish Weekly" Turkey)Armenia and Azerbaijan became independent states, as well as other former Soviet republics - after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Some of the republics were really ready for a “happy end,” while for others the collapse of the USSR was a long-awaited event that did not come at all. In other words, many of them were not ready for independence - economically, politically and, most importantly - mentally. Two of these republics: Armenia and Azerbaijan.


Armenia was not able to be independent in New Time, except for the period of the First Republic (1918-1920). The Armenians of the First Republic had no idea about how to enjoy independence, nor about government. Before World War I, Armenians lived under Ottoman, Russian, and Iranian sovereignty. And it was the First World War that turned Armenians into a nation of the diaspora. Armenians have departed around the world, and due to commercial, political and other reasons, they have become more romantically and idealistic, breaking away from Turkey. The difficulties of living in a foreign land affected all aspects of the life of the Armenian people. The conflicts between the Turks and the Armenians were greatly exaggerated, and 1915 was idealized for a year and became something of a legend. Hatred of the Turks became a cement that rallied them in the diaspora. The fact that they could not create their own state, to succeed, if only to defend their dignity in the fight against the Turks, as well as failures in achieving unity in other areas of activity, did not allow Armenians to treat themselves critically. Whereas the Greeks, for example, by creating their own state and having won a number of important victories over the Turks, became less romantic and established more or less normal relations with the Turks. The Armenians, on the contrary, unfortunately, remained in a fantasy world. In fact, one of the main reasons for such a short stories The first Armenian state was the extreme idealism of the Armenians. Armenians preferred the killing of Turkish diplomats to establishing normal relations with their new neighbors. The adventure called “Retribution” in a sense, distracted Armenians from real problems. While the Turkish Republic created on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire did not incite its people to attack the Greeks, Armenians or any other neighbors during the same period, the leader of the young Republic Mustafa Kemal Ataturk said to his people: “We have just left the war. But the real and greatest war is still to come. And this war is a war for development. ” In his opinion, to be truly independent is to be able to back up your independence with development and economic independence. Therefore, Turkey should not waste time on solving past problems. In accordance with this course, Atatürk tried to build its relations with Greece and other countries that were part of the Ottoman Empire in a new way. Armenia was among them, but it could not respond positively to this bold step.


Ter-Petrosyan: failed attempt of the Armenian revolution

The important point was that Armenia reappeared on the historical arena in 1991 year. Having received a new state, Armenians could take a more realistic path. Turkey also expected to get a partner with whom it was possible to establish relations to resolve the Armenian issue. Similarly, the first President of Armenia, Levon Ter-Petrosyan, and some of his advisers believed that they should not repeat the same mistakes. According to Petrosyan, the first major mistake of the Armenians was that they set themselves tasks far beyond their capabilities. Knowing that they themselves would not be able to succeed in relying on their own strength, they hoped for help from Russia and revolted against the Ottoman Empire in order to create a separate state on Ottoman territory. According to them, Russia will support the Armenians, while Great Britain, the USA, France and other Christian states will put pressure on the Turks in the international arena and force them to recognize the demands of the Armenians. The only thing they need to do is to continue their demands as long as possible. In accordance with this, Armenians resorted to terrorism, unrest and other similar methods throughout the 20 century. In the First World War, they even fought against the Ottoman Empire on the side of France and Russia. But in the end, it was the Armenians who always lost. They lost their people and their lands, on which they lived for centuries. It seems that the Armenians did everything that Russia or even England and France spoke to them. In 1915, they revolted against the Ottoman Empire in the eastern part of the country, when the Allies sent the most powerful fleet of all previous world history to the Dardanelles (Western Front). But the Armenians could not achieve any success. France was the first to remove its troops as soon as they encountered difficulties. Russia has never fully supported Armenia, and after the First World War it supported the new Turkish state. If these countries actually supported an independent Armenia, the Ottoman Empire would never have been able to withstand the pressure of these great powers. The first conclusion of Levon Ter-Petrosyan: Armenians should count their own forces. It was the greatest mistake of the Armenians to fully rely in their policies on the assistance of other states.
The second conclusion reached by Levon Ter-Petrosyan: Armenia is a small, poor country, cut off from the sea, not having any significant natural resources, surrounded by Turkic peoples. Turkey is in the west with its 75 million population, while Azerbaijan is in the east with 7 millions, and in the south - by some estimates - 30 millions of Azeri-Turks of Iran. On the other hand, the Georgians in the north have always been allies of the Turks for many centuries. Armenia has no common border with Russia. Under these conditions, the only way to live is to establish good relations with neighbors, especially with the Turks. The third important conclusion reached by Mr. Petrosyan: if Armenia wants real independence, it must disperse from Moscow. Yerevan, which for decades has been so dependent on Moscow, should break this bond and get on its feet.

Conclusions Petrosyan, ultimately, the following:

1. Armenians should not rely on the support of other states in achieving goals that go far beyond their own strengths and capabilities.
2. It is necessary to develop relations with neighbors, especially with Turkey.
3. It is necessary to quickly reduce dependence on Russia and create a fully independent Armenia.

Petrosyan and his team were close to making a revolution in the Armenian consciousness. However, the desire for independence does not mean readiness for it. They were still entirely in nationalism, which was so romantic and fixated on the territory. By “Motherland”, Armenians understood, first of all, territories and unrealistic dreams. They considered the seizure of Karabakh (Azerbaijan), Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan) and Javakheti (Georgia) and their inclusion in Armenia as a priority task. Even before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Armenian ultra-nationalists began the struggle to annex Karabakh to Armenia. Thus, even before the implementation of the Petrosyan plan, the Karabakh issue became dominant in the region. In addition to this, there was unrest in Azerbaijan, and thanks to direct support from Moscow, the Armenians not only captured Karabakh, but also cities and villages in which only Azerbaijanis lived. They attacked Nakhchivan, but as a result of Turkey’s immediate warning, hostilities were limited to the eastern front.

Due to these events, Petrosyan lost chances of a compromise with the Turks. The occupation of Karabakh and its surrounding territories caused a break with Azerbaijan and Turkey. Although Turkey was one of the first countries to recognize Armenia, it broke off diplomatic relations with Armenia and closed its borders. This is completely normal, as both Azerbaijan and Turkey are Turkic states. During the war, the streets of Turkish cities were filled with protests. Turkey, more than any other country in the region, has been striving to maintain the status quo since 1923. The main principle of Turkey’s foreign policy is that there can be no change of borders in the region with the use of force. Turkey has been opposing forcible changes in borders for many decades and sees the Armenian occupation as an attempt to illegally change borders.
Despite this, Turkey is looking for ways to avoid a stalemate in solving the problem. Turkish leaders expect Armenia to liberate at least territories outside Karabakh. If Armenia takes steps in this direction, Turkey is ready for even greater steps to meet. Armenia has repeatedly been sent proposals in this direction during the 1990s. Turkey even sent food to the Armenian population after the war during periods of aggravation of an already dramatic situation. Moreover, aid and subsidies sent from European and American states can be delivered to Armenia only through Turkey. As a gesture of goodwill, Turkey opened its airspace to the Armenians and opened regular flights between Turkey and Armenia. However, Petrosyan understood that as long as he did not take any steps on the Karabakh issue, he could not solve a single problem. He intended to take radical steps in recent days at his post, but Russia and the ultra-nationalists came to the fore and displaced Petrosian. It is known that the Dashnaks, which were banned under Petrosyan, played a major role in this process.

Kocharyan period

After Petrosyan, the extreme romantic Robert Kocharyan came to power. He was not even a citizen of Armenia when he became president. He passed the election through fraud and had no idea what a state was. He was a militant in the full sense of the word and understood the task of the Armenians so that everything captured by Armenians must be protected. In his opinion, the Turks are bad, the Armenians are good, Russia is a friend, and Azerbaijan and Turkey are enemies. His ideas do not go beyond that.

Thus ended the era of Petrosyan, and with it faded hopes for peace. Kocharyan’s policies and principles were the exact opposite of previous conclusions.
1. Relations with Russia deepened, and many Russians and supporters of Russia took key positions in Armenia. During this period, at the same time when other former Soviet republics were economically and politically moving away from Russia, Armenia began to depend on Russia even more than it was in Soviet times. Especially in the energy sector of Armenia, Russia has become a monopolist. Having taken a dominant position in the economy, Russia began to control Armenian politics. Armenia has become the only stronghold in the Caucasus, although it cannot receive substantial assistance from Russia.
2. Kocharyan’s team has made tremendous efforts to develop relations with the Diaspora. She especially hoped to find loans and sources of financial assistance in the diaspora. The diaspora was able to provide economic and political assistance. However, the expected economic assistance came very late, and it was significantly less than expected. Moreover, extremists seized a monopoly on relations with Armenia and even established control over the country's internal policy. Armenia has never been able to become an independent country on its own feet.

3. The Kocharyan government almost declared war on the Turkish people. A campaign has begun on the so-called genocide bill in parliaments around the world. It was assumed that in this way Turkey would find itself in a difficult situation in the international arena and would be forced to accept Armenian demands. In other words, Kocharyan once again began to use classical Armenian tactics. Not relying on its own strength, but relying on support from outside, Armenia damaged its relations with its neighbors.

4. Finally, Armenia under Kocharyan began an uncompromising policy on the Karabakh issue. It was stated that Karabakh is an independent state and will never be returned to Azerbaijan. For the other regions under the Armenian occupation, no concessions were made either. Being from Karabakh himself, Kocharyan hired security guards from Karabakh Armenians to protect his presidency and personal security. Thus, the Karabakh issue took control over Armenia’s foreign and domestic policy.

Who won, who lost? Azerbaijan or Armenia?

Returning to its former policy, Armenia thinks that it won a decisive victory over Azerbaijan. But in reality, the Azerbaijanis truly won.

Of all the former Soviet republics, perhaps, Azerbaijan was the most unprepared for independence. There was no concept of national identity. On the one hand, the Communists did everything to bind Azerbaijan to Moscow, on the other hand, the nationalists were so romantic and idealistic that they intended to create a large Turkic state, including Central Asia, Iran and Turkey. In the end, as a result of internal conflicts and feuds, with the direct support of Russia provided to Armenia, Azerbaijanis lost 20% of their land occupied by Armenia. About a million Azerbaijanis have become refugees, and this problem continues to this day. Azerbaijan, at least temporarily, has lost its territory, but has gained national unity, development, and an economy included in the world market.

Let's see what Azerbaijan has achieved in the conflict with Armenia:
1. Azerbaijan became a real national state after the attack of Armenia and as a result of the attack of Armenia. Without the Armenian aggression, the period of formation of the national consciousness would be delayed for a long time.
2. Azerbaijan has become a more homogeneous country. During the war, about 500 000 Armenians left Azerbaijan, and all Azerbaijanis left Armenia. Azerbaijani Armenians were the richest and most influential people in Baku. Their departure from the country meant Azerbaijan’s real independence. Even in Karabakh, Armenians were relatively richer, and they enjoyed the same rights as everyone else. The Armenians, having occupied the Azerbaijani territories, lost their privileged position in the Azerbaijani economy, but received only territories.
3. Without war, Azerbaijan would have remained a puppet of Moscow and would never have been able to achieve real independence. The war led to the breaking of ties so that they would never be restored to their former form. If now Azerbaijan is a truly independent state, then this is due to Armenian aggression.
4. Due to its uncompromising and aggressive attitude towards Armenia, Azerbaijan managed to isolate Armenia in the region. In fact, Baku is happy with the policy pursued by Armenia towards Turkey and Azerbaijan. As a result of this policy, Armenia was left out of all regional cooperation and integration projects.
Having rich oil and gas resources, Azerbaijan is becoming stronger and stronger, and Armenia is suffering losses economically. In a conflict with the neighbors is really difficult to get on their feet. Occupied Karabakh is not a region worth such losses. It does not bring any benefit to Armenia, but it has become a heavy burden for the Armenian economy.

In this situation - conclusions for Azerbaijan:

1. It is obvious that he will not be able to return Karabakh by military means right now. Main reason: Russia supports Armenia. When in the 1999, the Azerbaijani army intended to seize Karabakh, Russia warned that “if you insist on this, you will lose Ganja”.
2. Secondly, the US and the EU do not adequately respond to the occupation of Azerbaijani territory by Armenia. Thanks to the activities of the Armenian diaspora, primarily in France and the United States, these countries are pursuing a policy of procrastination. Karabakh and other areas remain under Armenian occupation, while Western states only promise to do something. Azerbaijan understands that the West will not put enough pressure on Armenia as the country of the occupier, at least in the near future.
3. The United States and Europe are interested in Azerbaijani oil and gas, but this has not yet become a factor of political support.
4. Turkey itself can not stop the occupation.

In these circumstances, instead of wasting time, Azerbaijan decided to strengthen its army while simultaneously driving Armenia into a difficult situation. To solve the problem from the standpoint of Azerbaijan, it is necessary to pursue a dead end policy for some time. During this period, Azerbaijan will grow stronger, and Armenia will weaken. In other words, extending the existence of the problem of the occupied territories in the interests of Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijan turned out to be right, taking such an uncompromising and extremist position that the Armenians cannot even slightly move away from the territory they occupied. Instead of wasting time in the occupied territories, Azerbaijan ousted Armenia from all regional development projects. The most important of them: the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. It is clear that this pipeline would go through Armenia if the Yerevan government would soften its position at least a little. Either the project would not have taken place at all, or it would have gone through a shorter and cheaper way through Armenia. Since it was the United States and Europe that could provide capital for the project, Azerbaijan could not have prevented this if Armenia acted smarter in 1990 years. Then the gas pipeline passed by Armenia, and now the railway will bypass it. The railway, which passes through Armenia, cannot be used, which forced Turkey and Azerbaijan to build another through Georgia. Armenians tried to prevent this by acting around the world, including the US Congress and Europe. They even tried to provide guarantees for the trains that will pass through the territory of Armenia. But this was already too little and too late. At the same time, it is very important that cooperation between Azerbaijan and Turkey is becoming more intense and covers all areas, from military to economic. Armenia is completely isolated in the region, and political support from Russia does not contribute to the economic development of Armenia. Due to the lack of a common border with Russia and because of Russia's mercenary, rather than strategic partnership, Armenia was in a potentially dangerous situation. Over 15 years, the population of Armenia decreased from 3 to almost 2 million people. They are going around the world again. Only for work, about 50-75 thousands of Armenians from Armenia arrived in Turkey already.

Another success of Azerbaijan is that step by step it attracts more and more attention of the United States and European countries. Armenians are still influential in these countries, and Azerbaijan remains Azerbaijan. However, Azerbaijan is involved in close cooperation with Western companies on energy issues and other issues, and these countries are gradually beginning to understand the importance of Azerbaijan. For example, on issues of energy security of the European Union, Azerbaijan is of key importance. The BTC oil pipeline connects the oil resources of the Caspian basin with the European and Mediterranean markets. Italy is a country that has taken advantage of this more than others. BTC is an important alternative for the European markets of Russian and Middle Eastern oil. Also, gas supplies to Europe through Georgia and Turkey, and the accession of Kazakh and Turkmen gas to them will be the same alternative for Europe. But even now, in the current situation, European companies have a significant share in the Azerbaijani energy resources, and in this regard Azerbaijan is not a country that could be sacrificed as easily as before. The situation looks the same from the point of view of the USA. They want to break the rule of Russia in the region, and are very interested in oil. Azerbaijan and Central Asia can not only become an important alternative to Russia, but they themselves will be able to get out of the influence of Russia if they become independent energy players and get rid of Russia's control. For this reason, the US pays much attention to Azerbaijan and other Central Asian republics. Another important factor contributing to the importance of Azerbaijan is its proximity to Iran and the 30 million Azerbaijani population in this country. The United States expects a great deal from Azerbaijan in destabilizing Iran and countering Russia. The aspiration of Azerbaijan to the West in cooperation with Georgia and Turkey corresponds to the fundamental interests of the United States. However, the consequences of such an approach are not noticeable in the Karabakh issue. The Armenian lobby is very influential in the US and the EU, therefore in some aspects it blocks the cooperation of these countries with Azerbaijan. In particular, it is precisely on this issue that the US and the EU have a much smaller field of maneuver than they would like. Despite this, they wonderfully cooperate in the economic sphere, and this will continue in the future. Azerbaijan on this occasion is still holding back its expectations. He does not hope that the West will end the occupation. Azerbaijan understands that it takes time to achieve this result. In fact, the current situation is in the interests of Azerbaijan. If pressure is put on Armenia and under its influence Armenia leaves the occupied regions, the demographic and political balance will quickly change in Azerbaijan, which can lead to internal instability. In addition, hundreds of thousands of people who left Karabakh and other occupied territories have already moved into their homes and left the tents where they used to live. Some of them have already gotten a job and in a certain sense have accepted the existing situation. A sudden change in the existing situation can trigger some extreme expectations. Therefore, in the current situation, gradual changes are much preferable. At the same time, Azerbaijan maximally exploits the role of Armenia as an “occupier” to the end. He also eliminates Armenia from all regional projects, and Armenia, wasting time in the occupied territories, can not join either the world or the regional economy.

The real success of Azerbaijan is, of course, its economic development. Especially after the start of operation of the BTC pipeline in Azerbaijan, a real boom began. Growth in 2005 was 26.4%, in 2006, this growth was surpassed (around 30.6-32.5%). Albeit with a slight slowdown, the same growth is expected in 2007 year. The share of oil and gas prevails in this growth, however, the non-oil sector also grew by 9.5%, which is also a very rapid growth. It is easy to assume that the influx of income from the energy sector to other sectors will lead to further growth in the non-oil sector of the economy. In parallel with this, the budget deficit was sharply reduced. Sharply increased exports and imports. It is not difficult to notice signs of prosperity on the streets of Baku. GDP per capita exceeded $ 7.300 in 2006 year, and will continue to grow. The unemployment rate fell to 1.2%.
At the same time, Armenia is going a different way. Although the growth rate in 2006 was about 12%, these figures somewhat distort the understanding of the state, as small as in Armenia, of the economy. An economy that barely survives thanks to foreign aid and transfers is not enough to keep the population in the country. The construction sector makes a dominant contribution to the growth of the Armenian economy. Diaspora transfers significant amounts of money into the country. These monetary resources and cause economic growth. However, this growth cannot be considered as a stable and solid economic growth. The Armenian economy cannot create an internal development engine and needs more help and remittances. Unemployment in Armenia reaches 30%. Investments in the private sector mainly come from the diaspora. This means the dominance of the diaspora in the economy, and hence in the policy of the country. At the same time, Russia established control over certain sectors of the economy, such as energy. Despite the fairly rapid growth of the economy, per capita income is $ 1.513. Even considering that in terms of PPP it exceeds $ 5000, it is very strange that per capita income remains so despite the sharply decreasing population. The main problem for investment in the Armenian economy is uncertainty related to the Karabakh problem. Even some companies of the Armenian diaspora are cautious in investing in the country. In addition, the closed borders with Azerbaijan and Turkey and the lack of access to the sea increase dependence on Georgia and Iran. Accordingly, this increases the customs costs of Armenia.

Conclusion

Summing up, one can briefly say that Armenia thinks that it won in Karabakh and other occupied areas. She believes that in time she will force other countries to forget about the occupation, it is not clear, however, why. It threatens the whole country because of Karabakh. Armenia cannot adapt to changes in the concept of a national state. She still lives with old-fashioned ideas about statehood from the 19th century. Only because of the territories, Armenia endangers its people and its statehood, which it finally gained. Armenians are building their policy against the Turks, although they are surrounded by 110 by millions of Turks. Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink was in the position that Armenian identity should not be built on conflict with the Turks. According to his opinion, this is precisely the poison in Armenian blood. And regardless of where they are, Dr. Dink thought, Armenians should be cleansed of this poison and enter into a sacred union with Armenia. This alliance should serve to preserve the life of Armenia, and not serve personal or ideological interests using Armenia.

Citizens serve their state and try to glorify it. However, Armenians strive to satisfy their feelings and aspirations by sacrificing Armenia. Regarding their troubles in the past, I cannot understand whether they want to glorify their country or satisfy their personal political ambitions in the struggle against the Turks.

They did not make an assessment of the history of the first Armenian state. At first, the Dashnaks used this state to take revenge, and then transferred it to the Bolsheviks. Let's hope that the story does not happen again. Maybe it will surprise them, but we will be the first to be bothered most. Turkey and the region need a stronger and more independent Armenia than the one that the diaspora needs.
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  1. bask
    bask 16 September 2012 08: 05
    +6
    Russia benefits from the frozen state of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The new Karabakh war may cause a split in the Russian elite. From the article, the Armenians look, “not smart”, backward. This is certainly not true. But Azerbaijan and especially Turkey have made a technological breakthrough over the past 5 years. Especially in the production of modern weapons. The saturation of modern weapons in the Azerbaijani army is already about 80% according to various sources. But Russia plans only 70% by the year 20, and that’s not the fact that it will turn out. With the help of Israeli technology, modernization of Sov .. equipment, the purchase of their latest drones is being carried out. I think that if negotiations do not lead to an acceptable result, there will be a 2nd Karabakh war, if not a pitiful population.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: bask
      how not sorry.

      there is no longer a civilian population !!
      1. Neutral
        Neutral 16 September 2012 22: 27
        -2


        The creature in the photo is called Shahin Talib oglu Tagiyev. He was the commander of the "Gurtulush" battalion. He bears personal responsibility for the atrocities of nonhumans in the Armenian village of Maragha on 10/04/1992. Many peaceful people, mostly old people, died then. They were burned alive, dismembered bodies, hammered nails into their heads, dragged them, tied to tanks, carved crosses on their bodies. Many were taken prisoner, including young children.
        For his bloody crimes, Tagiyev received the title of "National Hero of Azerbaijan". Hiding in Sweden for many years. Recently, he grew bolder and began to move around the world, not so long ago he came to Azerbaijan.

        LIST OF KILLED IN MARAGA APRIL 10, 1992
        1. Melkumyan Zarvard, b.1922
        2. Arakelyan Levon, b. 1972
        3. Hayrapetyan Parandzem, b.1919
        4. Hayrapetyan Seda, born in 1926
        5. Simonyan (Babayan) Sasha, b. 1912
        6. Badalyan Serezha, b. 1927
        7. Markosyan Anahit, b.1915
        8. Barseghyan Gurgen, b. 1926
        9. Stepanyan Nora
        10. Bagiryan Kim
        11. Ohanyan Bagrat, b.1915
        12. Ohanyan Maroussia, b. 1928
        13. Barseghyan Rose
        14. Bayramyan Isabella, b.
        15. Osipyan Vigen, b. 1937
        16. Osipyan Rimma
        17. Osipyan Hersilia, b. 1905
        18. Sargsyan Misha, b. 1960
        19. Hovakimyan Alik, b. 1950
        20. Gabrielyan Misha, b. 1947
        21. Minasyan Vardan
        22. Khachatryan Vardan, b. 1963
        23. Vardanyan Borik, b. 1931
        24. Vardanyan Zarya, born in 1930.
        25. Vardanyan Caro
        26. Badalyan Edik, born 1931
        27. Badalyan Ofik, born in 1939
        28. Hayrapetyan (Karapetyan) Vardanush, b. 1922
        29. Ananyan Ruben, b.
        30. Ananyan Maria, b. 1927
        31. Anna Harutyunyan, b. 1910
        32. Grigoryan Tamara, b. 1912
        33. Mseryan Tsovik
        34. Gabrielyan Yervand, b. 1911
        35. Lalayan Asya, b. 1935
        36. Papikyan Olenka, b. 1905
        37. Zakaryan Tamara, b. 1921
        38. Hovakimyan Yervand, b. 1909
        39. Ilyasyan Anush, b. 1903
        40. Allahverdyan Armen, born 1960
        41. Allahverdyan Valerik
        42. Martirosyan Zhora, b. 1926
        43. Avetisyan Lena, born 1940
        44. Mseryan Varia, b. 1937
        45. Mseryan Shura, b.1939
        46. ​​Sagiyan Kamo
        47. Hakobyan Ruben, b. 1925
        48. Hakobyan (Antonyan) Masya, b. 1928
        49. Khachatryan Laurent
        50. Aleksanyan Ararat, b. 1957
        51. Aleksanyan Grant, b.1934
        52. Galstyan Andranik
        53. Sahakyan Jura
        54. Soghomonyan Haykaz
        55. Sargsyan Valery
        56. Movsesyan Bakshi, b. 1928
        57. Sargsyan Gagik
      2. Arminian power
        Arminian power 7 May 2013 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        there is no longer a civilian population !!

        vi oshi baytes
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: bask
      I think that if negotiations do not lead to an acceptable result, there will be a 2nd Karabakh war, if not a pity.

      I think so too!
      The civilian population has been expelled by the Armenians for a long time!
      1. Bismark
        Bismark 16 September 2012 11: 15
        +7
        In 2011, he was in Karabakh peacefully, quietly and very calmly. Did you participate in the Karabakh conflict? If so, then your bias is understandable.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 25
          +1
          Quote: Bismark
          In 2011, he was in Karabakh peacefully, quietly and very calmly. Did you participate in the Karabakh conflict? If so, then your bias is understandable.

          It has never been calm since 1988 !!
          And who did not participate ??
          What kind of bias is this ??
          This is my Homeland and of course I am now ready at the very first call of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to be where he orders me and I don’t even have a bit of doubt that we will win !!
          1. Bismark
            Bismark 16 September 2012 11: 35
            +8
            My relatives participated, if you are of course interested, some of them did not return alive, but I don’t allow myself the audacity you allow yourself in most of the comments here.
            And please do not judge what you did not see.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 20
              +4
              Quote: Bismark
              And please do not judge what you did not see.

              Sorry of course, but somehow you didn’t hit !!
              Saw, participated, but dissatisfied with the quality of his participation!
              1. Bismark
                Bismark 16 September 2012 12: 31
                +1
                Sorry of course, but somehow you didn’t hit !!

                I take my words back.
                No offense. But after the fight they don’t wave their fists.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: Bismark
                  I take my words back.
                  No offense. But after the fight, they don’t wave their fists

                  Yes, there are no offenses!
                  and the fight didn’t end for me !!
                  1. Bismark
                    Bismark 16 September 2012 12: 44
                    +3
                    Wait and see.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: Bismark
                      Wait and see.

                      unconditionally !!
                  2. nycsson
                    nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    and the fight didn’t end for me !!

                    In vain you start it again !!!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: nycsson
                      In vain you start it again !!!

                      Well, this is your opinion, I have another !!
                      I do not sell my homeland!
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 September 2012 17: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Well, this is your opinion, I have another !!

                        This is normal! As one proverb says, measure it seven times, and then cut it off!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I do not sell my homeland!

                        In my thoughts, even this was not .......
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 38
                        +4
                        Quote: nycsson
                        As one proverb says, measure it seven times, and then cut it off!

                        but you think for 20 years I’ve just been sitting there))) of course I measure, but I intended)))))))
                      3. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 September 2012 21: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        but you think for 20 years I’ve just been sitting there))) of course I measure, but I intended)))))))

                        Get ready for 20 years !!! My fears are not in vain! You only confirmed the correctness of my thoughts to me! Well, look do not miscalculate!
                  3. dima1970
                    dima1970 21 September 2012 16: 28
                    +3
                    We have a lot of such people. The crowd is so talkative and arrogant, and one by one they even somehow begin to hunch and smile, like friends. On the Internet, like a crowd ...
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 24
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Saw, participated, but dissatisfied with the quality of his participation!

            Yeah! Do you obviously want to improve this quality ?!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 27
              +2
              Quote: nycsson
              Yeah! Do you obviously want to improve this quality ?!

              Do you think this is the right question ??
              what answer do you expect from me ??
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 16 September 2012 17: 35
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Do you think this is the right question ??

                I think it’s quite, since you’ve started talking about the quality of your participation!
                Quote: Yarbay
                what answer do you expect from me ??

                That you are preparing for war! Well, to the attack on Armenia, of course .......... hi
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: nycsson
                  Well, to attack, of course

                  to the liberation of their homeland!
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 16 September 2012 21: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    to the liberation of their homeland!

                    Thank you for your honesty! In vain ............ Well, you know better ....... hi
        2. mongoose
          mongoose 17 September 2012 08: 58
          0
          he is a Muslim and, accordingly, he is always "right", it is their duty to kill non-Muslims, they are really afraid to die
          1. Ataturk
            17 September 2012 09: 03
            +3
            Quote: mongoose
            he is a Muslim and, accordingly, he is always "right", it is their duty to kill non-Muslims, they are really afraid to die


            Maybe then explain to us why when you killed civilians of Karabakh of Azerbaijani nationality, then you were silent?
      2. VAF
        VAF 16 September 2012 11: 37
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        This is my Homeland and of course I am now ready at the very first call of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to be where he orders me and I don’t even have a bit of doubt that we will win !!


        Dear AlikBek, +! soldier
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 16 September 2012 14: 20
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        It has never been calm since 1988 !!

        Dear Yarbay, I often watch your fights on the Karabakh issue. I'm not good at this. but, looking in the net, I was convinced that it was never calm there. In support of this assumption, brief excerpts from the article: "The formation of the borders of the modern sovereign states of the Caucasus took place mainly in the period from 1918 to 1921. With the proclamation in May 1918 of independent states - Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia, the question of the ownership of certain The territorial disputes of this period were based on the inconsistency of the pre-revolutionary administrative-territorial structure of the region with the ethnic composition of the population. In fact, after the Sovietization of Azerbaijan, Soviet Russia, using the territorial issue, tried to win over to its side other Caucasian states, in this case Armenia. This is evident from the words of Stalin, who on November 9, 1920 in Baku made a report at the uniteda meeting of the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP (b), the Central Committee of the AKP (b), the Revolutionary Committee of the AzSSR, the Baku Party Committee on the nearest party and Soviet work in Azerbaijan. To one of the written questions, Stalin gave the following answer: "There is a (Dashnak) uprising in Zangezur. We are fighting them. If they want to know who the (controversial) Zangezur and Nakhichevan should belong to, then they cannot be transferred to the present government (of the Dashnaks) of Armenia, the Soviet , then it will be possible "On August 15, 1921, the plenum of the Caucasus Bureau, having heard the question of the borders between the Soviet republics of the Caucasus, decided: to propose to the chairmen of the Council of People's Commissars and the Revolutionary Committee of Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia to sign an agreement defining the borders between the three republics, and instructed the commissions consisting of Lukashin, Huseynov , Svanidze, Orakhelashvili to develop a draft agreement33. In the future, a similar general agreement between the governments of the Caucasian republics was not signed. And the territorial issue continued to be acute all 1920-1930s.
        At a meeting of the Presidium of the AzCEC on April 15, 1922, it was decided: "To eliminate controversial issues on the border between the ASSR and the SSRA, form two mixed commissions: one for the Kazakh, the other for the Karabakh region." This resolution was sent by the chairman of the AzCEC Agamaly oglu to the Union Council with a request to notify the CEC of Armenia about this decision. The CEC of Armenia notified about this by a telegram dated April 27, 1922, reported the following: "By the resolution of the Presidium of the CEC of Armenia, two commissions were organized to clarify controversial border issues between the Delizhan and Kazakh districts .... At the meeting of the Union Council on May 8, 1922, it was decided Of the Union Council and the Central Executive Committees of the ASSR and the SSRA to clarify disputes in the border area between the mentioned Republics "
        Without getting into the history of the 19th and 18th centuries and deeper, we can assume that the conflict is long-standing. militarily unsolvable. Can't you "mothball" it? Well, Russia and Ukraine are not fighting for the Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk, part of the Kharkov, Sumy and Chernigov regions, which during the creation of the USSR (and later) passed to Ukraine from the RSFSR! Our most star-studded ultranationalists are also shouting, "Give us the Kuban," since some of the Zaporozhye Cossacks moved there at the time of Ona (to which these zvedenuty have nothing to do). And what, do you think someone takes them seriously? And what is interesting, about the territories beyond the Danube, where the Cossacks also moved, no one stutters ... only about the Russian ones. Well, find a compromise, after all, in the Caucasus, people are not only hot, but also wise, IMHO,
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Kaa
          I am not strong at this. but, searching in nete, I was convinced that there was no peace

          If you read my comments, then I wrote a lot about this !!
          I will try briefly!
          Armenian party “Dashnaktsutyun”: founded in Tiflis in 1890. The main goal is the creation of “great Armenia” in the territory of Azerbaijan occupying the Nakhchivan and Karabakh regions, as well as the Anatolian lands of Turkey. At the first congress of this party held in Tiflis in 1892, it was decided to carry out a series of assassinations directed against the Turkish population. After this congress, the party adopted a decree “Avenge, kill every Armenian traitor who will not follow the idea of“ Everywhere and whenever possible kill a Turk, kill a Kurd ”
          ! 892 year for which MSTI ??
          After the collapse of the empire, there was the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic !! And what state did Armenia have ??
          They tried to conquer the territory of the war, but were defeated!
          After the revolution, at the request of Soviet Russia and world powers, Azerbaijan transferred Zangezur at the repeated request of Russia, and so that Armenia had a capital and Yerevan to create an Armenian conscience republic, but in exchange for Peace !!!
          And that after 70 years, next terretorial priteniya, blood, massacre, and after another 70 will be new pritenzy ??
          After all, the President of Armenia Sargsyan addressed his young eagles in the sense that we have done our job, but your generation should continue our work !!
          Quote: Kaa
          Well, Russia and Ukraine do not fight for Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk, part of the Kharkov, Sumy and Chernihiv regions, which, when the USSR was created (and later), moved to Ukraine from the RSFSR!

          And they didn’t take it away from you !! Your leaders agreed and now they don’t take it !!
          Quote: Kaa
          Well, find a compromise, after all, in the Caucasus, people are not only hot, but also wise, IMHO,

          I do not know!!
          I saw mass graves in the city of Guba, there were killed by Dashnaks, Azerbaijanis, Jews, Lezgins in 18 !!
          Many just got nails in the head !!
          So I don’t want my descendants, after many years, to hammer their heads with nails!
          Therefore, the sooner we put the final point, the better!
          IMHO
          with respect!
      4. Karish
        Karish 16 September 2012 16: 02
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        This is my Homeland and of course I am now ready at the very first call of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to be where he orders me and I don’t even have a bit of doubt that we will win !!

        Alibek (+)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 06
          +1
          Quote: Karish
          Alibek

          Happy Sanya !!
          Tonight we play or holiday ???)))
      5. Arayikus
        Arayikus 18 September 2012 01: 05
        -1
        I greet everyone, including the militant "victorious enemies" smile
        Firstly, everything is possible, of course, your victory is possible (although this is very, very doubtful) ... well oh well, that’s not the question!
        And so what do we have?
        1) The densely populated Azerbaijani border territories with Armenia and the NKR. Nearly one and a half million people live. This population will certainly be in the thick of the event. Chaos will begin and this will lead to an outflow of a huge number of people and not the fact that there will not be hundreds, or even a thousand victims among the same population. The condemnation will not be from the world community, as this is an initiative on your part and the West will hang all the dogs on Aliyev. Even do not hesitate. And this is the mass that will certainly hinder your army, which means that you will not see a quick victory. I have in mind a kind of lightning blitz.
        2) Armenia will start hitting not at the reservoir, but at the oil-extracting and oil-refining enterprises, including the transportation routes to the West. This will lead to an "explosion" in the EU, NATO and the USA. They will also demand direct intervention as soon as oil and gas stop flowing! And it doesn't matter if Russia interferes, or the West, just to stop immediately (for this, the UN will immediately give its sanction to intervene, DO NOT HESITATE, WE WILL NOT BE AWAY TO THE END)!
        3) All the dominant heights are in the hands of the Armenians. You will incur enormous losses, given the geography and defenses, on which the Armenians did not stint and built for 20 years! Is your society ready for such sacrifices? Not a fact !!!
        4) Do not write off the Karabakh Army either. It is well-armed, modern weapons, air defense, with more than 300 modernized tanks, with Grad multiple launch rocket systems, missiles with a range of up to 300 km and more, etc. (now look on the map 300 km from Karabakh, where does it go?)

        can these facts be listed in a couple of dozen, but I think that you will answer so far? What do you think on these points? Let us leave Russia alone for now.
        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 18 September 2012 01: 07
          -4
          Question to Yarbay.
          1. Neutral
            Neutral 18 September 2012 01: 14
            0
            Brother.
            Yarbay and others like him knock on the keyboard with all their might.
            Bizirdim - yes bizirdim.
            Aliyevs weaned their people to think.
        2. Ataturk
          18 September 2012 09: 35
          +3
          Quote: Arayikus
          Nearly one and a half million people live. This population will certainly be in the thick of the event. Chaos will begin


          I understand that you are threatening the 2nd genocide of the Azerbaijani people.

          Quote: Arayikus
          , as this is an initiative on your part and the West will hang all the dogs on Aliyev


          If they wanted to judge Aliyev, they would have long hung labels of the aggressor, but there are 4 resolutions, there is a resolution of the European Parliament, and most importantly, according to international rules, we have the right to restore the territorial integrity of our country. We have a mandate for this. PLUS, the whole world knows even dogs on the street that the OSCE has no options for solving this problem.

          Quote: Arayikus
          . And this mass will certainly hinder your army, which means that you will not see a quick victory

          This mass, as you say, will also fight against you. Including me. And if something happens to me, my mother and father will avenge me, as our mothers did more than once. So don’t worry about it. It is not the army that is against you, but the whole people will fight. Do you know why? Because you have not left PLACE for reconciliation.

          Quote: Arayikus
          Armenia will start to peel not on the reservoir, but on oil producing and oil refining


          Than? Scud? And did we buy the S-300 Favorit and Barak-8 for beauty? Plus, what do you think, if you take a million from Anglo-Saxon, your diaspora will help you after that? ))))) Azerbaijan has $ 40 billion of reserve reserves, plus there are tons of gold in reserve. Doesn't that say anything to you? And this says that in economic terms, we can wage a long war. This is if necessary.

          Quote: Arayikus
          This will lead to an "explosion" in the EU, NATO and the United States. Direct intervention will also be required.

          That's right !!! This is what we are achieving. So that everyone wakes up.

          All US presidents showed how they threw you. All the rest! What makes you think that they will be on your side, given that your country is an outpost of Russia. If you still have not understood, then the return of Ramil Safarov, it was the hands of the United States, but why didn’t you understand? If not, tell me, I'll explain to you !!
          1. Ataturk
            18 September 2012 09: 46
            +1
            Quote: Arayikus

            3) All the dominant heights are in the hands of the Armenians. You will suffer enormous losses, given the geography and defenses, on which the Armenians did not skimp and built for 20 years!


            21st century, the era of point weapons. I can’t tell everything, just give you one piece of advice, look on the Internet for a list of what Azerbaijan bought from Israel and then look at their prices, put it on the net for 500 million, for the remaining billion and a couple of hundred million, not listed . And in your opinion what could it be?

            Quote: Arayikus

            Is your society ready for such sacrifices? Not a fact !!!

            What do you think, if our hero single-handedly went to the Armenians and wreaked havoc there, do you think we are ready? Do you recognize him?




            Quote: Arayikus

            4) Do not write off the Karabakh Army either. It is well-armed, modern weapons, air defense, with more than 300 modernized tanks, with Grad multiple launch rocket systems, missiles with a range of up to 300 km and more, etc. (now look on the map 300 km from Karabakh, where does it go?)


            For us, that the Armenian Armenians that the Karabakh Armenians are the same. We have a method of struggle about your obsolete missiles. Don’t worry about it
            1. Neutral
              Neutral 18 September 2012 09: 50
              -5


              Omar, do you recognize him?

              So your Mubariz, thanks to this simple conscript, will not recognize anyone.
            2. Arayikus
              Arayikus 18 September 2012 13: 17
              -2
              Quote: Ataturk
              What do you think, if our hero single-handedly went to the Armenians and wreaked havoc there, do you think we are ready? Do you recognize him?

              This is not a hero at all, but another vile night killer. Like Safarov, who was destroyed as a criminal. Although, for you, they are heroes, despite the indignation of the entire civilized world! It’s hard to imagine a Turk from a suitable hero! TFU ,,, (((
              1. Ataturk
                18 September 2012 13: 33
                +2
                Quote: Arayikus
                This is not a hero at all, but another vile night killer.


                For you, all losers, only you are brave, such as you are not found in the world.
                Milk money from the west, and hide behind the skirt of Mother Russia. It's them
                brave men? Is sitting in Russia and Karabakh very convenient?
                What is it like to feel like that, in words the country is and in real life dependent
                from bones to hair to the Kremlin. Are these warriors?
                1. Arayikus
                  Arayikus 18 September 2012 13: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Is sitting in Russia and Karabakh very convenient?
                  What is it like to feel like that, in words the country is and in real life dependent
                  from bones to hair to the Kremlin. Are these warriors?

                  Dear, the first days of trouble from June 4 to 8, this year (in just 4 days), we received more than 6 responses from Russian Armenian volunteers. Does this mean something? Our contacts are there, where you have no doubt , many of us will be there. This is already a matter of HONOR!
                  1. Ataturk
                    18 September 2012 13: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Arayikus
                    The first days of the mess from June 4 to June 8 of this year (in just 4 days) received more than 6 responses from Russian volunteers. Does this mean something?


                    Yes it says! As you have the number of victims measured every year, the further you go, the more zeros are, and now. 6300 responses? And do you believe? I do not believe. Yes, especially from Russia. These are probably those Armenians who already have nothing to lose. Only who pays for them is interesting? Probably every Armenian poked 10 times. If you were so brave, you would not have put your country in such a deplorable state. Not only that, you have experience shattering the country's parliament, imagine your president is conducting anti-Turkic propaganda, but his people, especially women, 75 illegal immigrants from Armenia flee from Armenia, more than 000 are women. Spit in the Turkic well and eat Turkic bread does not mean zapadlo?
                    Che you do not shoot such a government that makes proud Armenians work in Turkey in the land of enemies. look after Turkic children as nannies, I’m silent about other professions, hourly for 10 bucks.

                    Also proud of me !!!
                2. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 7 May 2013 20: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  in real life dependent
                  from bones to hair to the Kremlin.

                  nu -nu ne vam ob etom rasujdat.
            3. Arminian power
              Arminian power 7 May 2013 20: 17
              +1
              tureckaya propaganda odnako
          2. Arayikus
            Arayikus 18 September 2012 13: 11
            -2
            Quote: Ataturk
            I understand that you are threatening the 2nd genocide of the Azerbaijani people.

            no, my friend, in no case! These are the realities of a possible war (if you even think about military affairs, you could analyze before calling for war. And so, you are just another Aliv cub, brainwashed, to earn your bread troll)

            Quote: Ataturk
            If they wanted to judge Aliyev, they would have long hung labels of the aggressor, but there are 4 resolutions, there is a resolution of the European Parliament, and most importantly, according to international rules, we have the right to restore the territorial integrity of our country. We have a mandate for this. PLUS, the whole world knows even dogs on the street that the OSCE has no options for solving this problem.

            Aliyev is well aware of the hopelessness of his situation. Not the implementation of the UN resolution, that’s a confirmation to you. Forget about Karabakh, it’s lost for you, and the United States and the Council of Europe and the UN understand this, etc. The best solution to the Karabakh problem is its absence!

            Quote: Ataturk
            This mass, as you say, will also fight against you. Including me. And if something happens to me, my mother and father will avenge me, as our mothers did more than once. So don’t worry about it. It is not the army that is against you, but the whole people will fight. Do you know why? Because you have not left PLACE for reconciliation.

            We saw from the 4th to the 8th of June. What panic was at the border villages and how the people beat your warriors with a shovel, for provocation on the border! laughing

            Quote: Ataturk
            Than? Scud? And did we buy the S-300 Favorit and Barak-8 for beauty? Plus, what do you think, if you take a million from Anglo-Saxon, your diaspora will help you after that? ))))) Azerbaijan has $ 40 billion of reserve reserves, plus there are tons of gold in reserve. Doesn't that say anything to you? And this says that in economic terms, we can wage a long war. This is if necessary.

            What Armenia has besides what was shown at the parade, only God knows. (Do not forget the supplies from its ally, Iran)

            Quote: Ataturk
            That's right !!! This is what we are achieving. So that everyone wakes up.

            continue to strive for a flag in your hands. Only you speed up, otherwise 20 years your whole world will burst over your blah blah blah!
            1. Ataturk
              18 September 2012 13: 41
              +4
              Quote: Arayikus
              no buddy

              I'm not your friend! You won’t be a friend either!

              Quote: Arayikus
              earned his bread by troll)

              :) You know, usually suspects of low deeds exclusively
              those who are capable of it themselves. Proven!

              Quote: Arayikus
              Aliyev is well aware of the hopelessness of his situation. Not the implementation of the UN resolution, that’s a confirmation to you. Forget about Karabakh, it’s lost for you, and the United States and the Council of Europe and the UN understand this, etc. The best solution to the Karabakh problem is its absence!

              Aliyev knows very well that when the Armenian region of the Russian Federation acquires real independence, then it will solve the issue by war. And so
              your economy, your people, we have turned into a deplorable state. It is too
              war if you do not know. The blockade and all that. Depriving you of all contracts
              achieved that nothing Armenian remained in "ancient Armenia".
              From one increase in gas prices, your hysteria began. they say how do we differ from another region of Russia)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) your deputies say this. And what about the USA, every year they throw you with recognition, just like the French threw you. And from time to time, a couple of Armenians extradited from the United States, then a thief in law, then scammers who robbed pensioners. Wherever you go, there are problems.

              Quote: Arayikus
              What Armenia has besides what was shown at the parade, only God knows. (Do not forget the supplies from its ally, Iran)


              Iranian metal? If you ask well, we will finance you, and then send Steel Company to Baku, metal is always needed there. And so we buy. Just ask us well.

              Quote: Arayikus
              Only you speed up, and then 20 years over your blah blah

              20 years of blockade are not enough for you? )))))))))) is there anything else to offer Russia? ))))
              1. Arayikus
                Arayikus 18 September 2012 13: 47
                -3
                Quote: Ataturk
                :) You know, usually suspects of low deeds exclusively
                those who are capable of it themselves. Proven!

                FORGET WHAT YOU AVATAR? IDOLATER laughing


                Quote: Ataturk
                And from time to time, a couple of Armenians extradited from the United States, then a thief in law, then scammers who robbed pensioners. Wherever you go, there are problems.

                But not in the ranks of Al Qaeda, like yours)

                Quote: Ataturk
                your economy, your people, we have turned into a deplorable state. It is too
                war if you do not know. The blockade and all that. Depriving you of all contracts
                achieved that nothing Armenian remained in "ancient Armenia".

                Nothing, but we will fight in the shade!
                1. Ataturk
                  18 September 2012 14: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Arayikus
                  But not in the ranks of Al Qaeda, like yours)

                  Given the imagination of the Armenians, I won’t be surprised if you raise your howl tomorrow that there are only Azerbaijanis in the bass terrorist detachment. If you don’t know, I mean Spain and Barcelona. The only truth is that, the largest number of terrorists around the world, these are Armenians. Those who like to shoot in the back are hiding under the skirt of Mother Russia, behind the lobby, or should I list your Asal Masal ... Dashnaks Mashnaks ... in general.

                  Quote: Arayikus
                  Nothing, but we will fight in the shade!

                  You are not fighting in the shadows but behind the skirt of Russia

                  1. Arayikus
                    Arayikus 18 September 2012 14: 14
                    -1
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    You are not fighting in the shadows but behind the skirt of Russia

                    What would Aliyev Desyrtyr oglu do without the go-ahead named Russia laughing


                    Quote: Ataturk
                    Given the imagination of the Armenians, I won’t be surprised if you raise your howl tomorrow that there are only Azerbaijanis in the bass terrorist detachment. If you don’t know, I mean Spain and Barcelona. The only truth is that, the largest number of terrorists around the world, these are Armenians. Those who like to shoot in the back are hiding under the skirt of Mother Russia, behind the lobby, or should I list your Asal Masal ... Dashnaks Mashnaks ... in general.

                    Not basovsky, but basky.))))
                    But this is not a fantasy. You were near Raduev, Basayev, Khattab, and Doku Umarov’s side and in the ranks of Al Qaeda, and in the North Caucasus ... You can find all sources without intelligence. Just google, and you will find out about your "heroes")))
                  2. Ataturk
                    18 September 2012 14: 17
                    +1
                    Everything is clear with you))))))))
                2. Phlegmatic person
                  Phlegmatic person 19 September 2012 14: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  fight and for skirt of Russia

                  Hmm hm ...
                3. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 7 May 2013 21: 57
                  +1
                  a vi pod yubkoy turcci wink
      6. kNow
        kNow 18 September 2012 09: 52
        +3
        Quote: Arayikus
        1) The densely populated Azerbaijani border territories with Armenia and the NKR. Nearly one and a half million people live. This population will certainly be in the thick of the event. Chaos will begin and this will lead to the outflow of a huge number of people and not the fact that there will not be hundreds, or even a thousand victims among the same population.

        The same thing will happen to you.
        Quote: Arayikus
        The condemnation will not be on the part of the world community, just as it is an initiative on your part and the West will hang all the dogs on Aliyev. Even have no doubt

        I completely agree. But recent events have shown that Aliyev does not care about the opinion of the "world community". There is still a lot of oil ...
        Quote: Arayikus
        ) Armenia will start to peel not on the reservoir,and for the oil producing and refining enterprise, including routes of transportation to the West. This will lead to an "explosion" in the EU, NATO and the US. They will also require direct intervention as soon as oil and gas stops flowing! And it doesn't matter if Russia intervenes, or the West, if only to stop immediately (for the sake of this, the UN will immediately give its authorization to intervene, DO NOT HESITATE, WE WILL NOT GIVE TO THE END TO Fight)!

        Well done, if you dare. But even during 08,08,08, Russia did not touch the oil pipelines. By the way, there are pipes for you too. From Iran.
        Howl in the West will be scary laughing But who will let them into their territory? You? We definitely won’t let it go.
        Quote: Arayikus
        3) All the dominant heights are in the hands of the Armenians. You will incur enormous losses, given the geography and defenses, on which the Armenians did not stint and built for 20 years! Is your society ready for such sacrifices? Not a fact !!!

        The fact of underestimation by the Armenians of their opponents is obvious. Look carefully at what equipment Azerbaijan is purchasing and you will understand how long your fortifications will last ...
        Losses never stopped us
        Quote: Arayikus
        The Karabakh Army should not be written off as well. It is well-armed, with modern weapons, air defense, with more than 300 modernized tanks, with Grad multiple launch rocket systems, missiles with a range of up to 300 km and more, etc. (now look at the map 300 km from Karabakh, where does it go?)

        Good trophies laughing
        1. Neutral
          Neutral 18 September 2012 09: 57
          -4
          Losses never stopped us


          That's for sure.
          Until now, on the border of Azerbaijan and NKR, thousands of askers lie in nameless graves. As well as in the mountains of Karvachara.

          And what do you reckon with the losses?
          According to the custom established by the Transcaucasian Turks, you send primarily Lezghins, Talyshs and other indigenous peoples to death.

          what equipment does Azerbaijan buy

          Good trophies laughing
          1. kNow
            kNow 18 September 2012 10: 02
            +3
            Quote: Neutral
            According to the custom established by the Transcaucasian Turks, you send primarily Lezghins, Talyshs and other indigenous peoples to death.

            Are you stirring up again? True, they somehow do not care about your worries about them laughing
            Quote: Neutral
            Good trophies

            We will throw you shells for trophies, and you carefully store them. If you catch on approach laughing
            1. Neutral
              Neutral 18 September 2012 10: 12
              -4
              True, they somehow do not care about your worries about them


              National-popular protests, which, according to the authorities and ideologists of the Republic of Azerbaijan "do not exist in nature," began to gain momentum. Indigenous ethnic groups: Lezghins, Talyshs, Avars living in the Republic of Azerbaijan, today have become a direct threat to the existing state system and the Turkic idea of ​​universal Azerbaijanization of the people. Consequently, on the territory of the republic, according to the laws and concepts of the Turkic conqueror, the ethnic groups sentenced to destruction revolted! In this regard, the agitprop of the Azerbaijan Republic began to intensively promote the idea of ​​the hopelessness of the Lezgi issue. It is not surprising that such propaganda is partially voiced from the lips of Lezgins, weakened by faith in their own strength and with the withdrawn hope of their own homeland. Reason, suppressed by an environment of aggressive influence, inclines them to a forced error, building their luck by betraying their own.

              Azerbaijani Turks with unprecedented impudence closed the main temple of the Sunni religion "Lezgi Mosque" in Baku and thereby threw a glove to Lezgins. Not only that, declaring SADVAL LND a terrorist organization, imprisoning and killing activists in prisons, under the pretext of “Wahhabism and Wahhabi,” they began to criminally prosecute Lezgi youth. For the Lezgi population in the republic, the issuance of permission to build houses in the private sector was complicated many times and imposed a tribute, hinder the development of language and writing, and actively privatize history, culture, historical heritage and land. And the worst thing is that they have achieved the division of the united Lezgin land into two parts by the border, and they still have a lot of destructive, but still incomplete plans to the end.
              “There are no Armenians and there is no Armenian question” - this is how, in due time, the Anatolian Turks (Young Turks) ordered to solve the Armenian question. What happened next, everyone knows. They are trying to do the same with Lezgins, only in a different format - they want to dissolve, assimilate, repress us! There will be no Lezghins, the threat will disappear for them. It’s impossible not to see it ....

              extension http://lezgistan.tv/novosti/lezgivi-moi-zametki-borba-lezgin-s-azerbajdzhanstvom


              -chast-3 /


              All the issues raised above are being prepared for discussion and programmatic approval for the next congress of the Lezghin People's Movement SADVAL.

              Do you plan to speak? laughing
              1. kNow
                kNow 18 September 2012 10: 19
                +2
                Neutral,
                Well, what do you suffer from the long-suffering? would understand military affairs - would discuss with you. Here is your fellow countryman Arayikus at least something reasonable says.
                And you, the net is retreated to Russia, escaped, the reputation of a haunter and srach-catalyst.

                I suggest that my fellow countrymen simply ignore you. Fortunately, there was no naive on the forum.
                1. Neutral
                  Neutral 18 September 2012 10: 24
                  -3
                  What is it, Amadeus.
                  You feel the spinal cord from where it will arrive.
                  Get ready, my friend, you will be a welcome guest at the congress laughing
                2. kNow
                  kNow 18 September 2012 10: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: Neutral
                  What is it, Amadeus.
                  You feel the spinal cord from where it will arrive.
                  Get ready, my friend, you will be a welcome guest at the congress

                  Dismiss, Janik No. have gathered idiots from all over the world? money AR bazaar on garbage smile Yes, and Russia once will give you a head on, for the incitement to separatism
                  Quote: Neutral
                  faith in one's strength and with withdrawn hope for one’s own homeland
              2. Ataturk
                18 September 2012 10: 37
                +4
                Quote: kNow
                I suggest that my fellow countrymen simply ignore you.

                Pay attention, it is only for TRAITORS and it refers to links.
                How can they not know those who betrayed the Turks.

                In general, he is ignored.
              3. Neutral
                Neutral 18 September 2012 11: 02
                -2
                Of course in ignore. And then, not even an hour, I’ll tell you:
                - About the largest scam that took place on August 3 in Ankara, in the Gulkhan hospital. Let me remind you that day a group of fraudsters, having entered into a conspiracy against Jalal Aliyev, the brother of Heydar Aliyev, who scared them all, committed fraud and faked a decree on the appointment of Ilham Aliyev as prime minister - the acting president of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
                - The fact that the signature on the “decree” was falsified by the head of the Azerbaijani state security service Beylyar Eyubov.
                - I will mention the names of accomplices and witnesses of this crime at the bedside of the dying Heydar Aliyev: Ilham Aliyev, Kamaletdin Heydarov, Ali Insanov, Farhad Aliyev.
                - I will mention the circumstances of the death and the epic of the corpse of Heydar Aliyev, kept secret from the population from August 4 to December 12, 2003.
                - I will write that Heydar Aliyev and Ilham Aliyev are ordinary deserters. In 1941, the 18-year-old Heydar, who managed to complete two courses of the Faculty of Architecture, received a piece of paper stating that he had tuberculosis and was appointed head of the department in the NKVD (KGB) of Nakhichevan. And, of course, I’ll write about the fact that Ilham Aliyev spent all the years of Azerbaijan’s aggression against Artsakh in Moscow and Turkish casinos.
                - I will call Talyshstan “the southern region of Azerbaijan”, I will call Vartashen the ugly word “Oguz”, Lankon - Lankaran, Bilkan - Bialakyan, I will not say anything about the vile murder of a Talysh national leader Novruzali Mammadov in a Baku prison. I will not say anything about how hundreds of Avar and Lezghian patriots are arrested in Azerbaijan, how an Avar teacher is thrown into jail only because he ... studies Avar linguistics and writes a book on this subject.
                - I’ll write about the destruction of the ecology of the Lezghin regions of Azerbaijan and the deprivation of water for its inhabitants, about how Lezgins, Avars, Talysh are deprived of their language, history and Motherland, the theft of ancient and medieval Talysh tombstones and their transportation to Nakhichevan, and the renaming of the XII Lezgi mosque bowls ”in Ashurbeyli, on the expulsion from Azerbaijan of Avar and Lezgi dibiri. And, of course, I will not say anything about the fact that in the armed forces of Azerbaijan more than half of the deaths are caused by representatives of indigenous peoples, which, according to official statistics, are less than 4 percent of the total population of the republic.
              4. kNow
                kNow 18 September 2012 11: 18
                +4
                Quote: Neutral
                will tell

                Quote: Neutral
                I will name

                Quote: Neutral
                Mention

                Quote: Neutral
                I will write

                Quote: Neutral
                I will name

                Quote: Neutral
                I will write

                In short - pour gamma out of voskanapat here recourse continue to rage in proud loneliness, long-suffering ...
              5. Ataturk
                18 September 2012 11: 25
                +3
                Quote: kNow
                In short - pour gamma out of voskanapat here

                and most importantly, what can be expected from them when they support them ....
                show a friend I'll tell you who you are

              6. Neutral
                Neutral 18 September 2012 12: 00
                -2
                The truth of Woscanapath is like holy water to vampires for you laughing
                Omarushka, why do you immediately run to the administration, "erase, erase".
                Could refute - wrote.
                Are you afraid that people will read the truth about the "bright and immaculate" Transcaucasian Turk?
          2. Neutral
            Neutral 18 September 2012 12: 43
            0
            Of course in ignore. And then, not even an hour, I’ll tell you:
            - About the largest scam that took place on August 3 in Ankara, in the Gulkhan hospital. Let me remind you that day a group of fraudsters, having entered into a conspiracy against Jalal Aliyev, the brother of Heydar Aliyev, who scared them all, committed fraud and faked a decree on the appointment of Ilham Aliyev as prime minister - the acting president of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
            - The fact that the signature on the “decree” was falsified by the head of the Azerbaijani state security service Beylyar Eyubov.
            - I will mention the names of accomplices and witnesses of this crime at the bedside of the dying Heydar Aliyev: Ilham Aliyev, Kamaletdin Heydarov, Ali Insanov, Farhad Aliyev.
            - I will mention the circumstances of the death and the epic of the corpse of Heydar Aliyev, kept secret from the population from August 4 to December 12, 2003.
            - I will write that Heydar Aliyev and Ilham Aliyev are ordinary deserters. In 1941, the 18-year-old Heydar, who managed to complete two courses of the Faculty of Architecture, received a piece of paper stating that he had tuberculosis and was appointed head of the department in the NKVD (KGB) of Nakhichevan. And, of course, I’ll write about the fact that Ilham Aliyev spent all the years of Azerbaijan’s aggression against Artsakh in Moscow and Turkish casinos.
            - I will call Talyshstan “the southern region of Azerbaijan”, I will call Vartashen the ugly word “Oguz”, Lankon - Lankaran, Bilkan - Bialakyan, I will not say anything about the vile murder of a Talysh national leader Novruzali Mammadov in a Baku prison. I will not say anything about how hundreds of Avar and Lezghian patriots are arrested in Azerbaijan, how an Avar teacher is thrown into jail only because he ... studies Avar linguistics and writes a book on this subject.
            - I’ll write about the destruction of the ecology of the Lezghin regions of Azerbaijan and the deprivation of water for its inhabitants, about how Lezgins, Avars, Talysh are deprived of their language, history and Motherland, the theft of ancient and medieval Talysh tombstones and their transportation to Nakhichevan, and the renaming of the XII Lezgi mosque bowls ”in Ashurbeyli, on the expulsion from Azerbaijan of Avar and Lezgi dibiri. And, of course, I will not say anything about the fact that in the armed forces of Azerbaijan more than half of the deaths are caused by representatives of indigenous peoples, which, according to official statistics, are less than 4 percent of the total population of the republic.
      7. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 2 July 2013 02: 23
        0
        As the eastern wisdom says "Speaking Halva Halva in the mouth will not be sweet))))
  2. Ataturk
    18 September 2012 10: 05
    +4
    Quote: Neutral
    According to the custom established by the Transcaucasian Turks, you send primarily Lezghins, Talyshs and other indigenous peoples to death.


    And these people have an Azerbaijani passport, they love Azerbaijan, they don’t feel feelings for your country, if you think what to do from a Azerbaijan to a country, then you are deeply mistaken. Our strength is in our unity.

    Quote: Neutral
    Good trophies

    And we'll see it later))))
    1. Neutral
      Neutral 18 September 2012 11: 10
      -2
      The moral where all went)))))))))))))))))))))))))
  3. Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 21: 03
    +4
    Quote: Neutral
    According to the custom established by the Transcaucasian Turks, you send primarily Lezghins, Talyshs and other indigenous peoples to death.

    It’s been driven into your head, as it’s in our head in Azerbaijan that Heydar Aliyev’s savior of the nation))
    If you were in Baku, then going into the building of the Ministry of Defense your eyes would have climbed. 90 percent of them are all Lezghins, well, the truth is that our Lezghins are not perceived as a separate nation, it’s like Eraz, Nakhchivan, Ganja. And your arm drives you into head other info well oh well we will not focus.
  • Arayikus
    Arayikus 18 September 2012 13: 24
    -1
    Quote: kNow
    But who will let them into their territory

    YOU WILL NOT ASK ASK !!!
    Quote: kNow
    The fact of underestimation by the Armenians of their opponents is obvious. Look carefully at what equipment Azerbaijan is purchasing and you will understand how long your fortifications will last ...

    And in the first war, they had 11 wagons of excellent weapons, and so, they threw everything and fled along with the current Moscow Region Abiyev!
    Quote: kNow
    Losses never stopped us

    so why then did Aliyev kneel for peace in Bishkek? Did Yeltsin’s grandfather ask the Armenians to stop?


    in short, good luck!
    1. kNow
      kNow 18 September 2012 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: Arayikus
      YOU WILL NOT ASK ASK !!

      Wah wah! take and occupy? the maximum that they can arrange is a color revolution, but during the period of hostilities the people will be sharply dissatisfied with this revolution.
      Quote: Arayikus
      And in the first war, they had 11 wagons of excellent weapons, and so, they threw everything and fled along with the current Moscow Region Abiyev!

      In the first war you fought well, you must pay tribute to. By the number of officers you took third place in the USSR after the Russians and Ukrainians. You skillfully used your small forces, maneuvered well, did not pay attention to difficulties, sat without gas, electricity, food, were united, your politicians didn’t get together, etc.
      They usually say that Russians fought in your place, but this is not true. Yes, at critical moments they turned a shoulder, but you won the daily war yourself.
      We had a lot of shortcomings. Lack of preparedness for conflict, leapfrog with a change of power - presidents changed twice a year, lack of personnel, refugees, etc.
      But do you really think that the situation has remained at the level of 20 years ago?
      Quote: Arayikus
      so why then did Aliyev kneel for peace in Bishkek? Yeltsin’s grandfather asked the Armenians to stop

      You have not been to Karabakh either. Would - would not carry nonsense laughing
      There is no peace at all, there is a truce. Secondly, Aliyev did not ask, but Yeltsin threatened - they say do not stop - you will lose Ganja.
      By that time, your troops, having occupied all the mountainous positions, had reached the plains, and here the tactics of your troops began to fail. On large open plains, yours began to suffer heavy losses and ran out of steam ...
      And it turns out as if you are terribly kind, Aliyev regretted it, and only because of this they went to a truce ...
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 September 2012 21: 06
      +3
      Quote: Arayikus
      And in the first war, they had 11 wagons of excellent weapons, and that, they threw everything and fled along with the current Moscow Region Abiyev

      They didn’t just turn it around because they were afraid. At that time, the political situation in Azerbaijan was completely different. What is the order of Heydar Aliyev in 93 to disband 33 battalions. WHY IT IS IT? To keep power.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 20: 54
    +3
    Quote: Arayikus
    All the dominant heights are in the hands of the Armenians. You will suffer enormous losses, given the geography and defensive structures on which the Armenians did not skimp and built over 20 years

    Listen, this is not the last century, of course, the nature of the area plays a huge plus for the Armenians, but don’t you think the soldiers will stupidly run in a straight line to these heights? We have a lot of modern weapons. I was very pleased with the purchase of the Mi-35M from the Russians, this is purely a machine for fighting in Karabakh. But until the Russians support the Armenians there will be no attack on them. It will be war if we know for sure that the Russian Federation will be neutral, or the Arab spring will approach Aliyev unexpectedly and he will start a war for some time to hold on to power or world players will provoke this war. In the current geopolitical realities, I think starting a war is unnecessary.
    Quote: Arayikus
    No need to write off the Karabakh Army

    What do you think, we divide the Armenians into the Karabakh army and the Armenian army ?? When we say the Armenian army we mean all of them !!
  • Predskazamus
    Predskazamus 2 July 2013 02: 06
    0
    Amendment since 1987. Started with Gafan!
  • VAF
    VAF 16 September 2012 11: 37
    +8
    Quote: Bismark
    Did you participate in the Karabakh conflict? If so, then your bias is understandable.


    But do not you think dear that you asked such a wrong question that .... in general there are no words !!!! negative

    It's like what you would ask me, and you participated in ........ "hostilities to protect the constitutional order and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation on the territory of the Chechen Republic and the adjacent regions of the North Kavzaz" ??? ???


    Quote: Bismark
    If so, then your bias is understandable.



    And this .... in general ... beyond my comprehension !!!! request

    In short, you have MINUS from me! negative
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 43
      +4
      Yes, how to say. I think the question is quite correct. Personally, I do not know any of those who would hate Chechens as a nation.
      1. VAF
        VAF 16 September 2012 11: 50
        +5
        Quote: DIMS
        Personally, I do not know any of those who would hate Chechens as a nation.


        And you do not unite the nation and the militants, this is the first, but the second ... I do not want to offend anyone ........ but maybe ... you do not know everyone ..... "who participated"? soldier
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 58
          +3
          Not all, but enough to draw such a conclusion. Moreover, those who shouted loudest about the fact that "the Czechs are enemies and they need to be punished" ended up being far enough away from the places where they were shooting. One papa already moved to the Arbat district out of harm's way before entering.
          1. VAF
            VAF 16 September 2012 12: 15
            +9
            Quote: DIMS
            "Czechs are enemies and they need to be punished"


            And I still think that both spirits and Czechs are enemies, well ...?

            though beyond the river not in the forefront ... I was in another place, but only in 1982 ... I got to the place, but in the "Czech Republic" ... in the very first ranks ..... December 11, 1994 (we take only the official beginning!) and was already .... "far from a boy", could calmly with the KDP or the command post ... "lead" !!!!

            So let everyone leave their conclusions to themselves, and even more so in matters relating to .... national interests ?! soldier
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 16 September 2012 13: 37
              +3
              Like he wrote in Russian that our "radicals" considered ALL Chechens to be enemies. Well, and accordingly, we tried to stay away from them.
              In addition, there is a big difference between "consider the enemy" and "hate".

              National interests? Do you know that the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia will begin, these national interests will force Russia to get on the side of Armenia, otherwise all the treaties on the Collective Security Treaty Organization can be safely thrown into the trash? And you are plus the one who will shoot at ours, in accordance with the order of your Supreme.
              1. Ataturk
                16 September 2012 13: 56
                +1
                Quote: DIMS
                Do you know that the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia will begin

                war will go on in the territory of Karabakh. And not Armenia and Russia. Apart from Russia, no one will help Armenia. Not Belarus, not Kazakhstan, none of the CSTO.

                And if Russia intervenes in Karabakh, it will not be very good.
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 06
                  +5
                  The war will spread to both the territory of Armenia and the territory of Azerbaijan. And Russia will be forced to intervene.
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: DIMS

                  The war will spread iron

                  These are just assumptions, the theater of operations in the zone itself is rather big !!
                  Of course, Armenia may try to provoke, but it is unlikely to succeed!
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 14: 17
                  +8
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Of course, Armenia may try to provoke, but it is unlikely to succeed!

                  No, Alibek, probably not Armenia, but the United States will provoke Georgia, such a story is also possible, and then by notes.
                4. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  No, Alibek, probably not Armenia,

                  It is also possible, everything will depend on what interests anyone will have at that moment !!
                  I mean world powers!
              2. DIMS
                DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 31
                +1
                This is not an assumption, it is an urgent need to prohibit the approach of reserves, supplies, etc. The war spread to the territory outside Karabakh on the first day
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 58
                +1
                Quote: DIMS
                it is an urgent need to prohibit the approach of reserves, supply, etc. The war spread to the territory outside Karabakh on the first day

                where does the approach of reserves, the army of Armenia in my territory, God give us a drive !!
              4. DIMS
                DIMS 16 September 2012 15: 03
                +3
                The Armenians will begin to beat on your reserves and supply routes, you on them. It is as inevitable as winter after fall.
              5. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 21
                +2
                Quote: DIMS

                The Armenians will start to beat on your reserves and supply routes, you on their

                Yes, I have no other plan))))))))
              6. Yeraz
                Yeraz 18 September 2012 21: 38
                +4
                no, there will be such a tacit agreement between the parties, the theater will be limited to Nagorno-Karabakh and 7 districts around.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 40
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          Of course, Armenia may try to provoke, but it is unlikely to succeed!

          We will be forced to intervene without any provocation! Your country has taken a pro-Western position. Well, and anti-Iranian!
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 42
          +1
          Quote: nycsson

          We will be forced to intervene without any provocation! Your country has taken a pro-Western position. Well, and anti-Iranian!

          Ok Nixon, thanks for the warning, I will mean you))))
        4. nycsson
          nycsson 16 September 2012 17: 30
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Ok Nixon, thanks for the warning, I will mean you))))

          It's not about me! laughing The point is geopolitics! hi
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 18 September 2012 21: 42
        +3
        Nixon, why did we take a pro-Western position (although I don’t think we have such a pro-Western position) If you supported the Armenians, it would be foolish that we went along the same path with you. You yourself determined this path by supporting our enemy. But this is natural You respected your national interests. And we are looking for our allies in other places.
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 14: 14
    +5
    Quote: DIMS
    The war will spread to both the territory of Armenia and the territory of Azerbaijan. And Russia will be forced to intervene.


    If the war transfers to the territory of Armenia, then it will be fair if Russia intervenes. NO CLAIMS.

    This can happen only if they hit rockets in the Mingachaur reservoir or in Ganja the second city in the velechina. Then 2% of Azerbaijan will hit Armenia. But in this case, Armenia will lose its face. There will be a real mess. I hope this does not come to this.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 21: 28
    0
    Quote: Ataturk
    If the war transfers to the territory of Armenia, then it will be fair if Russia intervenes. NO CLAIMS.

    So it will be, believe me! Maybe your leadership will change their minds and will not get to this! hi
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 21: 35
    +3
    Quote: nycsson
    So it will be, believe me!

    I repeat again, this will be possible provided that
    Armenia will hit the reservoir in Mingachur, as they say,
    (but then imagine what the whole world will think about them) as it will wash away
    2-3 cities with a population. Then Azerbaijan will hit Yerevan for sure.

    what we have in the end.

    the occupier not only took 20% of the land, but also hits the cities.
    nobody will support them. They will become outcasts.

    And if everything is limited to Karabakh, then attack in Armenia
    we do not need.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 17 September 2012 10: 25
    0
    Quote: Ataturk
    I repeat again, this will be possible provided that
    Armenia will hit the reservoir in Mingachur, as they say,
    (but then imagine what the whole world will think about them) as it will wash away
    2-3 cities with a population. Then Azerbaijan will hit Yerevan for sure

    God forbid such a scenario! And if they just send their troops to Karabakh? Why would they do what you write about?
    Quote: Ataturk
    And if everything is limited to Karabakh, then attack in Armenia
    we do not need.

    Do you think that they will just watch you mutate Karabakh? I doubt it very much! hi
  • Ataturk
    17 September 2012 10: 57
    +4
    Quote: nycsson
    And if they just send their troops to Karabakh?

    Their troops are both in Karabakh. The bulk of their troops in Karabakh. You protect the south. God forbid, but we don’t throw this option into the back seat, therefore we bought from Russia an upgraded S-300 Favorit and Barak-8 Israeli air defense systems. Although I am not special in air defense, they say the S-300 will even cope with the Scuds.

    If there is an expert in air defense here, I will be glad if I write, can I do it, the S-300 FAVORITE and Barak 8 together against the Scuds?



    and if God’s DON’T get into the reservoir, our military already said they would hit the Armenian nuclear power plant. Believe me, they will do it.

    Quote: nycsson
    Do you think that they will just watch you mutate Karabakh?


    Well, no one says that the war will be sweet.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 16 September 2012 19: 27
    10
    Quote: DIMS
    The war will spread to both the territory of Armenia and the territory of Azerbaijan. And Russia will be forced to intervene.


    If the war does not spread to the territory of Armenia and if Turkey does not enter the war, Russia will not intervene in the conflict under any circumstances I assure you. Even legally (although some countries have not given a damn about this recently) Russian intervention in case of resumption of hostilities in the zone of the Azerbaijani-Karabakh conflict not provided for by agreements between Armenia and Russia
    Mutual assistance obligations extend to signatory countries, of which the Karabakh party, which is not recognized by anyone, is not, but if Azerbaijani aggression against the NKR will affect Armenia, then Russia, following your contractual obligations must intervene on the side of Armenia. . But even in this case, plans for this matter exist at our headquarters, but the real policy is not so unambiguous, because relations between Armenia and Russia do not always correspond to the declared strategic level. . There are many positive and negative factors that in the event of war will inevitably worsen. Russia is extremely disadvantageous with this conflict, as well as direct participation in it on any side.
  • DIMS
    DIMS 16 September 2012 19: 36
    0
    Quote: Ascetic
    If the war does not spread to the territory of Armenia

    And it will spread for sure. This is required by the very logic of this kind of conflict. Armed groups of NGOs are not able to fight the Azerbaijani army alone. This means that reserves from Armenia will be suitable, troops will be provided from the territory of Armenia, airplanes will fly from its territory. The Azerbaijani army will have to block this flow, otherwise the war will turn into a bloody meat grinder.
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 20: 55
    +2
    Quote: DIMS
    So reserves from Armenia will be suitable

    Believe me, Azerbaijan will somehow stand up to the country's reserve with a population of no more than 2 million. This article is really weak, but with what? Because it is written 2007. So everything that is written there, as for Armenia, divide those by 5 and in the case of Azerbaijan, multiply. You wrote about the transfer of reservists and all that. Stop comrade. There people run away every day. The population is decreasing. 2 MILLION they were 2007 and now 2012 and moreover, the author of the article did not write other heights that Azerbaijan reached. If in 2007, ABOUT 80% of the technology was modern (A LITTLE EXCEEDED IN THE ARTICLE), then imagine what Azerbaijan now has, considering 2012, 5 years later.
    What kind of aircraft are you talking about? Armenian Air Force counting up to 2 aircraft. Are you aware of the air fleet of Azerbaijan?
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 21: 33
    +3
    Quote: Ataturk
    Are you aware of the air fleet of Azerbaijan?

    Oh Ataturk, your militancy will not bring you to good! Stop before it's too late! stop
  • Predskazamus
    Predskazamus 2 July 2013 02: 55
    +1
    Nixon, by God I don’t want a war !!! But it can’t go on. I was a patriot who was at the forefront and I assure our guys that they’ll stand for our homeland. We don’t want to return all our lands now called Armenia. We want to return a million People to their lands, to your homeland. This is a limited policy of the Countries which, by and large, do not give a damn about how much grief we had, that the USA in Moscow will not bring to good! And if you need to die for your homeland, then without a shadow of doubt. and like me most!

    I walked in the mountains, I looked between the meadows
    In the cranes of native springs;
    From afar listened to the noise of reeds
    And the nightly Araks slow motion ...
    Here I learned friendship, and love, and honor.
    Can I steal a soul from my heart? -Never!

    You are my breath, you are my bread and water!
    Before me, your cities opened wide.
    I'm all yours. Forever given to you as sons.
    Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan!

    On the mountains of your curls whiter milk
    Like a veil, clouds cover you
    Centuries rushed over you without count
    Your head turned gray from adversity ...
    How much you endured - and is alive again.

    And the ignorant have defamed your name
    And the madmen prophesied your grief
    And hope tormented your heart
    But your noble glory has come
    Great are your daughters and sons!

    Let Baku, my unknown guest visit:
    Millions of suns his night hit.
    If the north wind is buzzing in the towers,
    The sandy expanse echoes,
    Midnight mountains are talking ...

    Is it possible to steal a mother from a child? - never
    You are my breath, you are my bread and water!
    Before me, your cities opened wide.
    I'm all yours. Forever given to you as sons,
    Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan!

    In the silver Caspian, the winds whistle
    Emerald feathers of ducks glisten ...
    Let the travelers in love visit us
    Let them drink wine in Shamakhi and in Shamkhor!
    Ah, how life is short, how long the road!

    I’d like to admire for a thousand years,
    How does diffused light play in gorges ...
    A deer runs, a fawn follows
    And calls, and under a stone finds shelter,
    And the bulls on the eylag are silent and chew ...

    Early in the morning, poet-traveler, get up!
    Astara is in front of you, Lankaran is in front of you.
    From Egypt, From India to Early Early
    Birds flock to us, exulting, screaming,
    It was as if they had come out of the hands of an executioner!

    Here lemons of collective farm gardens turn yellow
    Branches bend under a load of fruit
    And the one who worked here is ready to rest ...
    Brew and pour golden gull

    Oh bride, for my old mother.
    In Lankaran, flowers are fresh and slim,
    And beautiful, like the women of our country.
    And the collective farm barns are full of bread,

    White cotton shines like snow on the mountains
    Grapevine juice boils in the cellars. "

    Drink it in the morning when the sea is still dark
    This juice, not yet transformed into wine,
    Your whole body will be full of strength!
    The power of the sun is our faithful ally in the struggle
    And in work she may help you!

    Sit in Kazakh on a red horse with a spark,
    Caress him, keeping good friendship!
    He will carry you past a noisy day
    To the peaks of Kapaz, where the cold is sharp
    Look at Geigel, Queen of the Lakes!

    O my country, the birthplace of music - you!
    Your songs, like summer fruits, are poured!
    You are the silver cradle of beauty!
    Clots of music - thousands of our hearts
    In every small village there is a favorite singer.

    Do not die Nasimi, do not die Fizuli -
    Dear poets of the ancient land,
    Like misty stars flicker in the distance ...
    But a lot of people like them will be born here,
    These are close, these are earthly fires!

    Can I steal a song from my throat? - Never!
    You are my breath, you are my bread and water!
    Your cities opened before me ...
    I'm all yours. Forever given to you as sons,
    Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan!
  • GP
    GP 16 September 2012 22: 28
    +1
    Quote: Ataturk
    ... the population is decreasing. 2 MILLION they were 2007 and now 2012 ...


    here http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_pop.php

    1950g
    Armenia - 1,354 million
    Azerbaijan - 2,896 million
    Russia - 101,438 million

    2011g.
    Armenia - 3,263 million
    Azerbaijan - 9111 million
    Russia - 142,865 million

    The dynamics of population growth in Armenia and Azerbaijan is approximately equal, while more than 2 times higher than in Russia.
  • Rustem1000
    Rustem1000 26 January 2013 01: 43
    +1
    In the early 90s, the population
    Azerbaijan - about 7 million
    Armenia - about 4 million
    2011 as you wrote
  • Kamilla
    Kamilla 16 September 2012 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    Mutual assistance obligations extend to signatory countries, of which the Karabakh party, which is not recognized by anyone, is not, but if Azerbaijani aggression against the NKR affects Armenia, then Russia, following its treaty obligations, should intervene on the side of Armenia.


    that's right ... Azerbaijan is not going to attack Armenia .... military operations will take place on our territory ... and if any third party intervenes, then this is direct interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state ..... . who needs this? Russia? I don’t think ... no matter how ally Armenia is ... Russia will intervene, Turkey will intervene ... and Turkey is NATO ... Russia does not need this headache, and it will do everything to prevent the conflict at all.
  • Arayikus
    Arayikus 18 September 2012 01: 26
    -1
    Quote: Ascetic
    If the war does not spread to the territory of Armenia and if Turkey does not enter the war, Russia will not intervene in the conflict under any circumstances I assure you. Even legally (although some countries have not given a damn about it recently), Russian intervention in the event of resumption of hostilities in the zone of the Azerbaijani-Karabakh conflict is not provided for by the agreements between Armenia and Russia
    Mutual assistance obligations extend to signatory countries, of which the Karabakh party, which is not recognized by anyone, is not, but if Azerbaijani aggression against the NKR affects Armenia, then Russia, following its treaty obligations, should intervene on the side of Armenia. . But even in this case, plans for this matter exist at our headquarters, but the real policy is not so clear, because relations between Armenia and Russia do not always correspond to the declared strategic level. . There are many positive and negative factors that in the event of war will inevitably worsen. Russia is extremely disadvantageous with this conflict, as well as direct participation in it on any side.

    Bravo!
    Weighed and competent post. And as for the comrade who is hinting at a nuclear strike ... this is nonsense. smile The result of this disaster will be the liquidation of Azerbaijan as a state.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 07
    -1
    Quote: Ataturk
    And if Russia intervenes in Karabakh, it will not be very good.

    Clear business that intervenes! It will be bad for everyone! hi
  • tekinoral
    tekinoral 16 September 2012 16: 20
    0
    Russia will not interfere in the open
  • DIMS
    DIMS 16 September 2012 16: 28
    0
    The phrase in the Georgian style.
  • tekinoral
    tekinoral 16 September 2012 16: 34
    +1
    no, in real style
  • Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 16 September 2012 20: 35
    +1
    And if Russia intervenes in Karabakh, it will not be very good.


    Why?
  • tekinoral
    tekinoral 16 September 2012 20: 48
    0
    in a bol global war will turn
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 58
    +2
    Quote: DIMS
    that start a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, these national interests will force Russia

    That is, the occupation of the territory of my country meets the national interests of Russia ??
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 04
      +3
      Do not care.
      But the hostilities against Armenia will strain Russia so much that the state will be forced to intervene.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 12
      +3
      Quote: DIMS
      Do not care.

      in terms of??
      Quote: DIMS
      But the fighting against Armenia
      )) ridiculously right, but there is nothing for the army of Armenia to do in my territory))))
      Quote: DIMS
      that the state will be forced to intervene.

      time will tell!!
      I think our leadership will be able to make Russia an offer which it cannot refuse !!
    3. DIMS
      DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 35
      +2
      In the sense of Russia, it does not matter who owns Karabakh.

      Quote: Yarbay
      I think our leadership will be able to make Russia an offer which it cannot refuse !!

      But this is unlikely.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: DIMS
      But this is unlikely.

      not the first time)))
    5. DIMS
      DIMS 16 September 2012 15: 04
      -2
      This time this is inevitable. Russia will not go to the collapse of the CSTO.
    6. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: DIMS
      Russia will not go to the collapse of the CSTO.

      And the collapse?))) It goes in and out and nothing falls apart !! Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, this is the important thing in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the rest are a blazer, for strength !!
    7. Kaa
      Kaa 16 September 2012 17: 24
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, this is important in the CSTO, the rest are a blazer, for strength !!

      CSTO + TS = USSR = Russian Empire, adapted to the realities of the 21st and (I hope) the 22nd century, and then we'll see. So that
      Quote: Yarbay
      Blazir, for strength !!
      - will not work. As there is in the joke about Little Red Riding Hood - choose, Hat. merger or acquisition!
    8. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 34
      +3
      Quote: Kaa
      CSTO + TS = USSR = Russian Empire, adapted to the realities of the 21st and (I hope) the 22nd century, and then we'll see

      there is no idea !!! when there is no idea, there is no sincerity!
      Quote: Kaa
      - will not work. As there is in the joke about Little Red Riding Hood - choose, Hat. merger or acquisition!

      I could be wrong too!
    9. Kaa
      Kaa 16 September 2012 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Yarbay
      there is no idea !!! when there is no idea, there is no sincerity!

      Why not, dear, there is, and very important and noble - opposing forces advocating the implementation of controlled chaos theory, primarily with the participation of the United States on YouTube on June 1), only circulated on TV by the anniversary of September 11, protests of Muslims in countries with a total population of 2 billion people. There is an idea, and there is an embodiment - even weak Russia still does not intervene for Libya - bombing and asshole dagger, sorry, broke, stands up for Syria - Assad’s counter-terrorist operation against Euro-Saudi mercenaries is more or less successful. Rahmon in Tajikistan already understood this. 1 month ago, we discussed his impudent demands for money for renting 201 bases, now for God's sake, for 29 years, and for nothing. Here is an idea, a purpose and an awareness, which will gradually reach, if not all, then the majority.
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 15: 05
    +6
    Yarbay,
    Hello everybody! I think there will be no war, in the near future. The first Russia until the Sochi Olympics will not allow the outbreak of a big war in the Caucasus, so as not to lose the Olympics themselves and the money invested in it, but the sluggish flowing conflict would not be blasphemous, the sale of weapons, etc.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 22
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    Hello everybody! I think there will be no war, soon

    Alas, I think so too !!
    Moreover saddened by this !!
    How are you ?? how to prepare for the holiday ??
    In the evening Tequila ??)))
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 15: 26
    +3
    Yarbay,
    Yes, I warm up for two days! Today a little bit! My friend did not grieve today we have a holiday and you are a bit with honey for peace drinks
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 47
    +4
    Quote: igor67
    Today a little bit! My friend did not grieve today we have a holiday and you are a bit with honey for peace

    Azer told me about yours a little bit)))))))))))))))))))
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 15: 50
    +1
    Yarbay,
    Well, we are a little bit, sorry you weren’t, but I think soon we will catch up drinks
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 16
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    sorry you were gone

    I am always with you, but I still can’t, I’ll only bother you)))))))))
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 16: 37
    0
    Yarbay,
    You’re not going to interfere with your brother, you can also support tea,
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 41
    +2
    Quote: igor67
    You’re not going to interfere with your brother, you can also support tea,
    So I will compass your brains about the harm of alcohol))))))))))))
    That’s why they don’t take me to parties))))))))))))
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 16: 46
    +1
    Yarbay,
    Correctly there must be at least one normal person who must remind us of the dangers of abuse, without you in any way, I will only be glad, and you are fine with me ....
  • Karish
    Karish 16 September 2012 16: 08
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    Yes, I warm up for two days! Today a little bit! My friend did not grieve today we have a holiday and you are a bit with honey for peace

    Well, not you alone. now I’m writing, but smells from the kitchen !!!! You can lose consciousness. Today we have a big gathering, so the wife has been rustling for the second day. 16 people ---
    (and this is without children) And I go and rub the pieces --- life was a success. Happy New Year, another 4 hours and will begin drinks good
  • igor67
    igor67 16 September 2012 16: 17
    +2
    Karish,
    Sanya, we’re going to visit, after an hour and a half, but I want to eat, share with a friend drinks
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 17
    +2
    Quote: Karish
    And I go and rub the pieces --- life was a success.

    I agree!!!!!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 02
    +3
    Quote: igor67
    and sluggish fluid conflict, as blasphemous sounds profitable, the sale of weapons, etc.

    Gold words)))
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: DIMS
    But the hostilities against Armenia will strain Russia so much that the state will be forced to intervene.


    But I have a different question. Although I am not an expert in economics, I hope you can answer me.

    If the war is within Karabakh and Russia intervenes, what could be the consequence?

    Is Russia ready to receive 2nd Georgia under its BOC?
    Is Russia ready to lose billions of energy contracts?
    Is Russia ready to lose billions in arms contracts from Azerbaijan?
    Russia is ready to side with the one who is NOT RIGHT and whose only benefit is a base in Gyumri with spits? And the people of Armenia are against this base.

    What do you think in the Kremlin are ready for this? I am already silent about the fact that Azerbaijan will join NATO.

    I THINK in the Kremlin understand this and therefore Moscow is doing everything to leave it frozen.

    What can you say about this?
  • DIMS
    DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 39
    +2
    Yes, my friend, ready. For the CSTO still has the prerogative.
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 14: 55
    +1
    Quote: DIMS

    Yes, my friend, ready. For the CSTO still has the prerogative.


    I really hope that I communicate with an adult and a reasonable person.
    I do not take seriously the organization of the CSTO, there is RUSSIA and the point !!!

    What kind of prerogative are you talking about when no one supported Russia on the Georgian issue? NONE.
    The Uzbeks are gone. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan in the Türkic Union, and Armenia, what about NATO fees plus all Russian C300 shows Americans? Then I wish the prosperity of such an organization.

    I’m silent about Bath I’m not writing about him yet, if necessary, I will write to you too
  • DIMS
    DIMS 16 September 2012 15: 05
    -1
    Nevertheless, Russia needs such a military bloc.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 05
    +4
    The CSTO is a show-off. And what the Russian Federation needs, it separately concludes 2 third-party agreements. Because if the CSTO would be at least something of the Russian Federation and Armenia did not additionally sign an agreement on the protection of Armenia’s borders by the Russian Federation))
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 21: 36
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    That is, the occupation of the territory of my country meets the national interests of Russia ??

    Of course not! Is this not a decision of the people inhabiting Karabakh?
  • Kamilla
    Kamilla 16 September 2012 21: 42
    +1
    Quote: nycsson
    Of course not! Is this not a decision of the people inhabiting Karabakh?


    and that only the Armenians inhabited the Nagorno-Karabakh ...? among the Azerbaijanis who inhabited Karabakh and turned into internally displaced persons ... do they have no right? they do not solve anything in your opinion?
  • nycsson
    nycsson 17 September 2012 10: 20
    0
    Quote: Kamilla
    and that only the Armenians inhabited the Nagorno-Karabakh ...? among the Azerbaijanis who inhabited Karabakh and turned into internally displaced persons ... do they have no right? they do not solve anything in your opinion?

    I think no! There are rights! Of course they decide! I respect the people of Azerbaijan, I just think that now is not the time for a fight! hi
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 00
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    That is, the occupation of the territory of my country meets the national interests of Russia ??

    Well, yes. Alibek you surprised me straight)
    With the help of this, the Russian Federation made Armenia its outpost, and directed all the attention of Azerbaijan there by limiting the field of activity. This conflict is beneficial to everyone.
    The Russian Federation is beneficial in that Azerbaijan would introduce a more impudent and powerful policy in the North Caucasus and in the region as a whole than now.
    Iran because if it weren’t for this conflict, all of Azerbaijan’s resources would be directed to solving the problem of South Azerbaijan.
    Well, the West does not need strong Islamic countries, especially if this conflict were not for oil contracts would be signed on completely different conditions for them.
  • VAF
    VAF 16 September 2012 14: 26
    +2
    Quote: DIMS
    And you are plus the one who will shoot at ours, in accordance with the order of your Supreme.


    So I, dear, I will shoot at anyone whom he orders the VGK-to protect the interests of our country !!!

    And you? Come to the State Department .. give up ??? wassat
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 31
      +5
      Quote: vaf
      So I, dear, I will shoot at anyone whom he orders the VGK-to protect the interests of our country !!!

      here is a hundred + dear Sergey to you!
      Honestly, I don’t care, the Mongols will attack us, Arabs, Americans — I will fulfill the order of my VG even if I know that there is no chance !!
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 07
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Honestly, I don’t care, the Mongols will attack us, Arabs, Americans — I will fulfill the order of my VG even if I know that there is no chance !!

      I almost agree with the orders of the current VGK, I won’t follow it, I’ll just go to defend my homeland, but if the commander gives a clearly dumb and murderous order I will shoot him)) And there will be)))
    3. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 2 July 2013 03: 08
      +1
      SAYQI VƏ HÖRMƏT.
  • DIMS
    DIMS 16 September 2012 14: 41
    -2
    Quote: vaf
    And you? Come to the State Department .. give up ???

    Yeah. Irregular in 3-4 airborne

    Quote: vaf
    So I, dear, I will shoot at anyone whom he orders the VGK-to protect the interests of our country !!!

    And will you consider Alibek an enemy and hate?
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 56
    +6
    Quote: DIMS
    And will you consider Alibek an enemy and hate?

    if the question were to me, then I would consider Sergey a worthy enemy and would regret that I had to shoot in his direction!
    I would constantly hope that my bullets passed him!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 21: 37
    +5
    Quote: DIMS
    otherwise can all the CSTO treaties be safely thrown into the trash?

    Yes, they could have been thrown out a long time ago after its "allies" in the CSTO reacted to Russia's participation. And secondly, fatal shootings occur not only on the Karabakh front, but also on the direct border of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Armenia says we are shelling them, but I don’t remember that some important politician in Russia made a speech at least somehow, and not that according to the letter of the CSTO law this is direct aggression against one of the members.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 57
    +4
    Quote: DIMS
    Personally, I don’t know any of those who hated Chechens as a nation

    Yes, I don’t have hatred for Armenians as a nation !!
    there is simply hatred for the enemy, for what they did !!
  • Bismark
    Bismark 16 September 2012 11: 52
    +2
    Yes, at least two minuses, I somehow ...

    And this .... in general ... beyond my comprehension !!!!

    In short, you have MINUS from me!

    If beyond your understanding I will explain. My relative, who participated in the Karabakh conflict, is a very successful entrepreneur in Armenia today, forbids all relatives to buy Turkish or Azerbaijani products. If this example of bias is not enough for you, then I can write about a few more examples if you wish.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 00
      +5
      Quote: Bismark
      My relative,

      I understand you, I also will not buy anything Armenian, except cognac and then as a gift))
      1. the gray wolf
        the gray wolf 16 September 2012 12: 18
        +1
        not a gift like a trophy wassat
    2. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2012 12: 05
      +5
      Quote: Bismark
      If this example of bias is not enough for you, then I can write about a few more examples if you wish.


      I do not need to give such examples, I'm not your relative, thank God!

      This article is clearly provocative and aimed at inciting the next round of national and interstate hostility!

      In general, today everything is "interesting" on the site ...... some obscenities in the open rinsing, articles come out with such content "ardent pro-Western" and even counting 6 years ago ???

      Aw, administrators ???? Where are you????? The consequences of the Sabbath affect ..... or where ???? (Sorry for the frivolity) !!!!!!!


      Quote: Bismark
      I can write about a few more examples if you wish.


      I can write the same to you so many examples about ..... "love for the Russians" that ..... you will not take away !!!!

      So I propose to close this topic !!!
      1. Bismark
        Bismark 16 September 2012 12: 20
        0
        I can write the same to you so many examples about ..... "love for the Russians" that ..... you will not take away !!!!

        But I don’t have to take anything anywhere, I can go over this too.
        And I agree to close the topic.
      2. smile
        smile 16 September 2012 13: 02
        +1
        VAF
        Hello.
        I agree, and hands and feet - for! The article is provocative, which, given authorship, is not surprising (although for Turks it is surprisingly tolerant).
        It amused me. that everyone got here from the Turks! Well. Armenians understand. That. that we were accused to our heart's content is also understandable. Even in spite of the fact that they did not make up their minds there, they accused us of that. that we, the insidious, betrayed the Armenians, did not justify their hopes, in fact contribute to the conflict, almost conquered Karabakh for them and they exist only thanks to us, etc. one gets the impression that they wanted to blame everything in a row, but could not dodge, so that it came out consistently ... But who can explain to me. Why did the Azerbaijanis get it from the Turks, who were actually accused of ... so to speak, "immaturity" !? In general, the most intelligent, peaceful, civilized, mature and, finally, beautiful ... in the jungle are the Turks!
        Guys, let's not swear here!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 04
          +3
          Quote: smile
          I agree, and hands and feet - for! The article is provocative, which, given authorship, is not surprising (although for Turks, it is surprisingly tolerant

          Dear Vladimir!
          The thing is, this is also a position!
          I’m not saying that everyone should accept it, but in order to understand the point of view of Azerbaijanis, it’s a useful article, and if for the next srach, I agree with you!
          Just do not shoot with all the guns at once)))))))
          1. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 14: 05
            +2
            Yarbay
            Yes, I agree. To correctly determine the distance - it is advisable to look with two eyes. And this article. perhaps it’s useful here ... but provocative - the logging is already in full swing ...
            And I’ll only shoot at the presumptuous ... and not with guns, so there’s enough guns! :))))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 14
              +3
              Quote: smile
              And I’ll only shoot at the presumptuous ... and not with guns, so there’s enough guns! :))))

              But is it worth it to rub your nerves with ours, the pain is severe in them and the wound does not heal!
          2. dmb
            dmb 16 September 2012 14: 59
            +2
            Alibek, good afternoon. I got the impression that both the author, who wrote the article already in the 2007 year, and the gentleman who posted it on the site, were least of all concerned about conveying someone's position. Well, you will not argue that Armenians are fools who do not understand their happiness, which, judging by the article, consisted in their living exclusively under the sovereignty of Turkey. And if the article begins with this, then its author is clearly the least concerned about a peaceful settlement. I understand your position on Karabakh. It remains only to find a peaceful way to resolve it. By the way, the status of Karabakh that Adjara had had could well have become such a way. Fundamentally, I do not want to talk about the past so as not to raise another wave of hatred. Tu and without us enough ... s. I only note that I said earlier that I do not see any difference between Ter-Petrosyan, Elchibey and Yeltsin.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 30
              +2
              Quote: dmb
              I got the impression that both the author, who wrote the article already in 2007, and the gentleman who posted it on the site, were least of all concerned about reporting someone else's position. Well, you will not argue that the Armenian fools do not understand their happiness, which, judging by the article, consisted in their living exclusively under the sovereignty of Turkey.

              I think the author didn’t mean it !!
              The article is very long, but it shows the look of the opposite side!
              I’m not saying that it is perfect, no, there are also distortions about Turkey, but I wrote the Turks and wrote their look, which is close to mine!
              Quote: dmb
              And if the article begins with this, then its author is clearly the least concerned about a peaceful settlement.

              Sorry but I do not see a peaceful settlement!
              Quote: dmb
              I understand your position on Karabakh.

              Thank you, but I want to remind you that the territories that are larger than Karabakh are also occupied with Karabakh !!
              Quote: dmb
              By the way, the status of Karabakh that Adjara had had could well have become such a way.

              So we offer even more than that !!))))) We agree to provide the highest level of autonomy, under international guarantees !!
              Quote: dmb
              I only note that I said earlier that I do not see any difference between Ter-Petrosyan, Elchibey and Yeltsin.

              I see that Elchibey was a good person, but a mediocre politician, and they only elected him because of this conflict !! His subordinates ignored him because of his weakness and much more !!!
              Yeltsin was a good intriguer, a strong-willed, vindictive person when he did not drink !!
        2. Kamilla
          Kamilla 16 September 2012 13: 12
          +2
          Quote: smile
          In general, the most intelligent, peaceful, civilized, mature and, finally, beautiful .... in the jungle - these are Turks!


          you don’t want to swear .... but you’ll hurt the first one ... and then they will answer you and do it right.
          1. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 14: 10
            +3
            Kamilla
            Aaaaaa. !!! Camilla, don't beat me. you are welcome! :))))) Well, I just had a little fun, I didn’t seriously bit a bite, I pulled into a fight ... :))))
            even more so, but I lied to her - I want to swear, but I restrain myself .. :)))))

            Camille, I’m just in a good mood and I really don’t want to make a fuss. Honestly. And especially not with you. Don't be offended by me, okay?
        3. Kaa
          Kaa 16 September 2012 17: 37
          +3
          Quote: smile
          I was amused. what everyone got from the Turks!

          Well, with this position, they definitely play into the hands of those who create such cards. And these are not Russians, not Armenians. And then they will be offended that Turkey somehow ... decreased. or something ... to be honest. I don’t want this for the neighbors.
          1. tekinoral
            tekinoral 16 September 2012 18: 18
            +1
            you would know what cards we saw, we wait empty try, dreams dreams and only dreams
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 16 September 2012 22: 51
              0
              Quote: tekinoral
              would you know what cards we saw
              So share the info, put the cards on table The site, honestly, is very curious. Turkey still has the sea there, otherwise they are already used to resting, good acquaintances are wound up, it will be a shame if the cards do not lie ...
              1. tekinoral
                tekinoral 16 September 2012 22: 55
                0
                I don’t want people to be angry; you worry about Ukraine and Crimea for western Ukraine, otherwise Russia has shed so much blood there, but you got it
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 17 September 2012 00: 14
                0
                Quote: tekinoral
                worry about Ukraine for Crimea and western Ukraine, otherwise Russia has shed so much blood there, but you got it

                And I'm Russian. although I live in Ukraine, and it was just my grandfathers who shed blood here. And I’m worried about this Belovezhsky mayhem redistribution. the section that blew everyone, the section razul ended faster, and I see no significant difference, apart from the dialect, between the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. As for western Ukraine, you won’t wash off a black dog, they love Poland and Hungary - they hold a red-black flag in their hands and ... feather. But Turkey is sorry, if you saw SUCH cards, it means someone is printing them, someone needs it ...
        4. smile
          smile 16 September 2012 22: 35
          0
          Kaa
          I agree, there is something ....
      3. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 16 September 2012 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: smile
        I was amused. what everyone got from the Turks! Well. to the Armenians - I see. That. that they accused us ad libitum is also explicable

        Well, as usual, as soon as somewhere between the former in the USSR, it means that Russia could not do without it. Here is the ubiquitous hand of Moscow.
        1. smile
          smile 16 September 2012 22: 39
          0
          olegyurjewitch
          Yeah, sometimes it even becomes a shame - well, it’s not so ubiquitous ... and not as long as some paint it .... and as we would like. Probably many would have lived calmer and more whole. if the horror stories about Moscow’s hand were true .... unfortunately, many do not understand this .......
  • Karish
    Karish 16 September 2012 16: 03
    0
    Quote: vaf
    In short, you have MINUS from me!

    Hi Seryozha !!!
    And you from me (+)
  • Kortik
    Kortik 16 September 2012 17: 19
    +1
    I would like to hear the points of view of 2 sides.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 11: 31
    +9
    Boo ha ha, Alibek was bombarded, I’ll add from myself one for the company wassat
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 42
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov

      Boo ha ha, Alibek was bombarded, I’ll add from myself one for the company

      by the way, I think that it’s good, that sometimes they minus it is often to the benefit !!
      sobering))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay

        by the way, I think that it’s good, that sometimes they minus it is often to the benefit !!

        Alibek, cons are useful, the main thing is not up to skulls laughing
  • Kortik
    Kortik 16 September 2012 17: 17
    +2
    And if, in fairness, whose historically is this land in general? Each side pulls a blanket over itself and as a result, nothing is clear. Armenians say that bad warriors in Azerbaijan and they don’t know how to fight, they say they are 3 times less, and they kicked their ass. Azerbaijan is told that Russia, which provided assistance to the Armenians, is to blame. Where is the truth about land and war?
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 21: 02
      +2
      Quote: Kortik
      And if, in fairness, whose historically is this land in general?


      Kara (translated into Azerbaijani) means BLACK
      Bug (from translation into Azerbaijani) means SAD

      Those. translation of the name Karabakh means Black Garden!
      And this name is exactly 5th century worth a minimum!

      Is this information enough for you?
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 11
      +2
      Quote: Kortik

      And if, in fairness, whose historically is this land in general? Each side pulls a blanket over itself and as a result, nothing is clear. Armenians say that bad warriors in Azerbaijan and they don’t know how to fight, they say they are 3 times less, and they kicked their ass. Azerbaijan is told that Russia, which provided assistance to the Armenians, is to blame. Where is the truth about land and war?

      It’s better not to touch this topic here, no one will prove anything to anyone))) They believe that it is them we that it is ours)))
  • Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 16 September 2012 11: 32
    -5
    Dear Administration, I do not understand your actions in relation to the visitors of the site Evil Tatarin and Ataturk. I don’t understand why they banned the first, and the second did not even receive a warning? After all, this scum Ataturk insulted Izu and the Evil Tatar. Izyu insulted In a particularly cynical form. I enclose the text

    Ataturk post:

    bitch is your mom who gave birth to such a you !!!
    bitch your father who, in the light of such a crop, created a seed.
    you yourself, who, not knowing me, offends me !!!
    bitch your bl = poison-clan !!!

    and now your mother, my shallow [email protected]
    I’ll give you my address, come, I’ll fuck you in a pose
    running Egyptian. I give my word. Will be your whole life
    smell my socks, I'll keep you in the carrion like a dog !!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: Oleg0705
      I enclose the text

      did you change your generation?)))))))))))))))
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Oleg0705
      It's scum Ataturk

      Right now, Omar will come and tell you everything about this. And he’ll do it right, if a person is not interested in articles and does not express his points of view on topics, why does he come to the site? I will write in a personal yesaul, let him talk to you, maybe he can calm your anger.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Right now, Omar will come

        Already come)))))))))) pipets)))))))))
      2. Ataturk
        16 September 2012 12: 11
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Right now, Omar will come and tell you everything about this.

        Dear Alexander. Good afternoon.
        Yesterday I sat and talked. Not for no reason, they write to me, you're with ... ka.
        I cheated. I don’t even know who Izya is.
        Of course, I was shocked and admit and ready to suffer the punishments of our forum.
        I admit I insulted. Since my rage was very big.

        And so God sees, there was a spender and others, everyone saw everything.
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 16 September 2012 12: 19
          +4
          Ataturk,
          And so God sees, there was a spender and others, everyone saw everything.

          Good afternoon, dear Omar!
          I saw that Izya wrote yesterday. Really out of the blue, and suddenly such a comment and in bold black.
          You answered correctly, if you hadn’t at once piled on, but started on the good one, he would have sat on his head.
          By the way, thanks to the Site Administration for promptly responding to the comments of Evil Tatarin and Izi.
          1. Ataturk
            16 September 2012 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: Odessa
            By the way, thanks to the Site Administration for promptly responding to the comments of Evil Tatarin and Izi.


            SHALO Esther)))))

            thank you and the administration and thank you for the fair position, +
            I love good people. the soul rejoices. by golly.

            It is on such people that this fragile world stands.
            1. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 16 September 2012 12: 47
              -2
              Ataturk (2)



              For this post, Izya called you with uk and m ogue and I join.

              I'll tell you one case. I had a friend of mine. At one time I did not behave myself well. This man thought he was smarter than everyone, I won’t find him.
              I found him. Sitting outside of Russia, I printed out his phone for 3 years. I found the address on the database of the STSI and on the database I had a passport number, credit cards all that is possible. Believe me, you can find a person, a matter of time. It depends on what kind of sin it is. And so I arranged for this person that to this day it cannot seem to people. And he sent his relatives to prison for insulting and running into me. From the house of his native man pulled out drugs. This man sold the apartment and pulled out his relative after 3 years. Now this man has nothing left.
              TICKY REGISTRATION IN PETERS, gastrailer in one word. Avenged in full, LITTLE this man did not seem.
              1. Ataturk
                16 September 2012 12: 56
                +3
                Quote: Oleg0705
                For this post, Izya called you with uk and m ogue and I join.


                Heard the saying EAGLES don't prey on ANTS? I hope I understood the hint.
                YOU ARE IN IGNOR.

                Goodbye take 2.

                And by and large, the man who did it is being killed in Baku for this and not only in Baku, throughout the Caucasus.
                In short, the topic is closed with you.

                1. Oleg0705
                  Oleg0705 16 September 2012 13: 11
                  -5
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Heard the saying EAGLES don't prey on ANTS? I hope I understood the hint.


                  You are not one of those Eagles that fly, but those that crap rocks. I hope I understood the hint?

                  I tell you, Izzy will not leave you like that. Well, where is he and I. There you rightly said that they do not forgive anywhere, unless of course you are Caucasian.

                  And here's another thing you insulted the late parents of Izi. Remember that.

                  The topic is not closed.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 16 September 2012 13: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Oleg0705
                    You are not one of those Eagles that fly, but those that crap rocks. I hope I understood the hint?

                    I tell you, Izzy will not leave you like that. Well, where is he and I. There, you correctly said this is not forgiven anywhere. Unless, of course, you are Caucasian and not a mishandled Cossack from Turkey.

                    The topic is not closed.
                  2. Ataturk
                    16 September 2012 13: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: Oleg0705
                    I hope I understood the hint?


              2. Apollo
                Apollo 16 September 2012 13: 10
                0
                Quote: Oleg0705
                For this post, Izya called you with uk and m ogue and I join.
              3. Apollo
                Apollo 16 September 2012 13: 12
                +3
                Quote: Oleg0705
                For this post, Izya called you with uk and m ogue and I join.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 16 September 2012 13: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Apollon
                  I join.


                  Apollo, +! You ... like a god! drinks Just look and everything is clear ..... without words! True for ... sawdust ... this .. fool

                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 16 September 2012 14: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: vaf
                    Apollo, +! You ... like a god! Just look and everything is clear ..... without words! True for ... sawdust ... this ..



                    hi ALL SUPER SERGEY !!! good
                  2. Kaa
                    Kaa 16 September 2012 14: 43
                    0
                    Respected VAF, with a demotivator it somehow strange turns out, are you against FC Shakhtar Donetsk? It’s a matter of taste, but in our country in Ukraine they only portray them as tsiki and ultra-dynamo Dynamo, and Dynamo wins less and less ...
              4. Averias
                Averias 16 September 2012 17: 29
                0
                If this is a reason for pride, then there is a reason to go to a psychiatrist. Since wishful thinking can only be a sick person.
          2. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 13: 12
            +3
            Odessa
            Esther! Yesterday I went to the site and ran into a beating ento Tatar. I didn’t get in - I was afraid to fall under a hot hand, you still wave without looking, but on the neck ... :))))) I didn’t even greet ... forgive me? :))))
            I found the battlefield on the first floor .... there were already only dead bodies there. Frankly, I was not too lazy, I read everything, but still did not understand what was the cause of the unprovoked attack of the Tatar ... If not disgusting - in a nutshell, eh?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 27
              +3
              Quote: smile
              If not disgusting - in a nutshell, huh?

              You haven’t been there for a long time. The reason is that a man by nature is a boor and thinks that he is an authoritative bully, and with close examination he can be seen that he is a cheap dude, arrogant, boorish!
            2. Odessa
              Odessa 16 September 2012 13: 41
              +5
              smile,
              I didn’t even greet ... forgive me? :))))

              I saw your `` not greetings '', I thought I would answer in the morning. hi
              1. smile
                smile 16 September 2012 14: 16
                +4
                Odessa
                And I thought that the moderators managed to chop off all the comments before someone answered my voice crying in the desert ... and after all, that they didn’t respond characteristically :)))) therefore I thought. that no one heard anything and went on a second run .....
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: smile
                  and went on a second run ...

                  what pleases Vladimir, that after the trip you became even more energetic))))
                  It means good !!))
                  1. smile
                    smile 16 September 2012 14: 50
                    0
                    Yarbay
                    Thank. But it was not a business trip, but a vacation. And I just missed you all, hence the energy, here! :)))
              2. igor67
                igor67 16 September 2012 14: 42
                +3
                Odessa,
                Esther Happy New Year! Health to you family and the world!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 14: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: igor67
                  Esther Happy New Year!

                  Hi Igor, with a holiday, you’re broadcasting from the Christmas tree for an hour laughing
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 16 September 2012 14: 55
                    +4
                    From under the palm trees! Hi Romanovich, we have a new 5773 year
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: igor67
                      we have a new 5773 year

                      Here everywhere you do not like everyone else))))))))))))))
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 17: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: igor67
                      we have a new 5773 year

                      And we only have 2012 laughing
                    3. igor67
                      igor67 16 September 2012 17: 33
                      +2
                      You’ll be late for a young man, in half an hour I’ll go to celebrate 5773, and then after 3 months and 2013, and then Mai lied about the end of the world good
              3. Odessa
                Odessa 16 September 2012 15: 17
                +5
                igor67,
                Igor, thank you dear, and you and your whole family the very best this year!
                1. igor67
                  igor67 16 September 2012 15: 22
                  +2
                  Thank you !!!!!!!! I love honey !!! You can still eat honey, don’t confuse the current; you yourself know with whom and whose name you can’t call
                  1. smile
                    smile 16 September 2012 22: 16
                    +1
                    igor67
                    Igor, and you have a holiday .... however, you are clearly in a hurry to live (two and a half times faster than us)! :))))) Be smart no less than this year, but more happy and strong! Good luck in the new year!
                2. Kamilla
                  Kamilla 16 September 2012 19: 03
                  +2
                  oh ... already all 5773 ?? and in the picture are grenades ... are there grenades in Israel? I didn’t know ... I really want to go to Israel! I will definitely do it! Happy Holidays !! drinks
                3. smile
                  smile 16 September 2012 22: 12
                  +1
                  Odessa girl (
                  In. damn, but I did not know. that you have a new year ..... CONGRATULATIONS without compensation ..... that is, for nothing .... well, I clamped the gift and offer not even an arm and a leg :))))) but just my respect ... without :) ... live long, Esther, happy holiday !!!!!!
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 19
                +1
                Hi Igor, and congratulations to you !!))))
                1. igor67
                  igor67 16 September 2012 15: 21
                  +2
                  Thanks buddy!
          3. VAF
            VAF 16 September 2012 13: 47
            +5
            Quote: smile
            I found the battlefield on the first floor .... there were already only dead bodies there. Frankly, I was not too lazy, I read everything, but still did not understand what was the cause of the unprovoked attack of the Tatar ... If not disgusting - in a nutshell, eh?


            Volodya, hello +! I yesterday for a beer ... I took time off, and the same ... did not have time!

            But in brief I’ll tell you if Ester doesn’t mind .... or rather I won’t tell, but will show ....

            I hope you will understand everything yourself, +!



            earlier on the site there was one ........ on which the reflex, like that of Pavlov’s dog, immediately MINUS is Pooh (aka Izya. aka Shtiloits .... aka ...... Ella Katsmelbogen wassat ).

            And now there is the second Evil Tatar-eternal MINUS !!!! am True Tranzhira, as always, ahead of him, he was the first. well, and only the second !!!

            Insulting in an open (and not open) woman who does not deserve it at all, but just do it from hell not to do this FRAUD and PASKASTIE !!!!

            I ask administrators not to delete, all words from the dictionary of Dahl !!! soldier
            1. smile
              smile 16 September 2012 14: 19
              +4
              VAF
              Thank you.
              Everything is very clear. Although for me, in principle, there was enough attack on the Odessa.
            2. Ataturk
              16 September 2012 14: 22
              +4
              Quote: vaf
              Insulting in an open (and not open) woman who does not deserve it at all, but just do it from hell not to do this FRAUD and PASKASTIE !!!!


              thank. Thank you so much for being a real person.
              especially thanks to your parents for raising an honest son.
              YOU PLUS and my hand of friendship.
              1. Izzy
                Izzy 17 September 2012 00: 41
                -2
                ATATURK donkey son get yours back now from me, you scum and

                bitch is your mom who gave birth to such a you !!!
                bitch your father who, in the light of such a crop, created a seed.
                you yourself, who, not knowing me, offends me !!!
                bitch your bl = poison-clan !!!
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 14: 28
              +4
              Quote: vaf
              And now the second Evil Tatar-eternal MINUS has appeared !!!

              MINUS means MINUS am
            4. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 16 September 2012 16: 13
              -5
              VAF,

              hemp you are, BARANS IN ONE WORD IF YOU SUPPORT THIS, as Izzy said, this son of the Donkey, then you are no different from him.
              We, too, and Zey do not slurp soup, we see and understand everything that is happening on the site, but we won’t be upset. LET EVERYONE DECIDES HIMSELF.
              Those prersons listed above have nothing to do with us.
              We have the honor.
              Oleg, Izzy.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 16 September 2012 16: 25
                +4
                Quote: Oleg0705
                hemp you are, BARANS IN ONE WORD IF YOU SUPPORT THIS, as Izzy said, this son of the Donkey, then you are no different from him.
                We, too, and Zey do not slurp soup, we see and understand everything that is happening on the site, but we won’t be upset. LET EVERYONE DECIDES HIMSELF.
                Those prersons listed above have nothing to do with us.
                We have the honor.
                Oleg, Izzy.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 28
                  -3
                  Quote: Apollon
                  We have the honor.

                  have ??? it seems to me if they had, then already lost!
              2. Ataturk
                16 September 2012 16: 29
                0
                Quote: Oleg0705
                If you continue this way you will only communicate with each other.


                To wisely live life, you need to know a lot.
                We remembered two important rules, for starters:
                We'd rather starve than anything horrible
                And we’ll be better alone than with anyone

                We will try to somehow survive this tragedy.
              3. Kamilla
                Kamilla 16 September 2012 19: 06
                +1
                Quote: Oleg0705
                We, too, And Zey do not slurp cabbage soup we see and understand everything that is happening on the site, but we won’t be upset; LET EVERYONE DECIDES HIMSELF


                ohhh ... uhass ... this is serious .. there is a diagnosis, a split personality ... you too entered the role .. ((
              4. smile
                smile 16 September 2012 22: 31
                +2
                Oleg0705 (
                I have a question ... no tricks.
                Your wars with Ataturk do not touch me and I do not evaluate them intentionally, but what ... bald one-eyed cat, was it unreasonable to run into Odessa? No, really. what for? For what purpose? After all, she did not provoke anyone ......
                enough to swear ... eh?
                And what did you see on the site of such a terrible thing? Share it? I’m also interested ..........
                I suppose you understand very well that you don’t scare anyone with threats (I understand that you don’t scandalize) ..... but make fun of that! :))))
                You are strange .... maybe answer, huh?
            5. Ascetic
              Ascetic 17 September 2012 00: 19
              +7
              Quote: vaf
              Insulting in an open (and not open) woman who does not deserve it at all, but just do it from hell not to do this FRAUD and PASKASTIE !!!!

              Everything is correctly said, we recommend the following recipe for similar types
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 17 September 2012 01: 25
                +3
                Ascetic,
                Everything is correctly said, we recommend the following recipe for similar types

                this is for ish.a.k.o.v. goes, and pour salt on the tail. wassat
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 16 September 2012 13: 53
          +5
          Quote: Odessa
          Good afternoon, dear Omar!
          I saw that Izya wrote yesterday. Really out of the blue, and suddenly such a comment and in bold black.
          You answered correctly, if you hadn’t at once piled on, but started on the good one, he would have sat on his head.
          By the way, thanks to the Site Administration for promptly responding to the comments of Evil Tatarin and Izi.
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 11: 46
    +3
    Quote: Oleg0705
    Dear Administration, I do not understand your actions in relation to the visitors of the site Zloy Tatarin and Ataturk.

    And why didn’t you say that you and your gang did NOT call me FIRST, with ... oh?
    What wrong have I done to you and that Izu? Which I don’t even know.

    Do you know why you are doing this? Because you are provocateurs. Because
    you know that I will not be silent when insulting, and I will get a BAN.

    You are not even Russian, you are not even human. Man, real man
    will live honestly and correctly.

    MY RESPECT FOR ADMINISTRATION FOR JUSTICE. PLUS FOR TOPIC.
    Swear with you and insult you for this word

    Quote: Oleg0705
    It's scum Ataturk


    since, don’t touch something, it won’t stink!
    Bye.
  • Kamilla
    Kamilla 16 September 2012 11: 55
    +4
    Quote: Oleg0705
    Dear Administration, I do not understand your actions in relation to the visitors of the site Evil Tatarin and Ataturk.


    Do not understand???? angry Tatar provocateur ... ignoramus, boor! yesterday he impudently hurt a woman, and for no reason !! and you saw it perfectly !!

    Quote: Oleg0705
    After all, this scum Ataturk insulted Izu and the Evil Tatar. Izyu insulted In a particularly cynical form. I enclose the text


    and who first began to insult ... not an izya ?? not Tatar ?? they said a ... tell and b ... what’s the matter to you?
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 12: 08
    +3
    Quote: bask
    The Karabakh war, if not sorry.

    And what to do dear?
    Accepts the loss of land?
    Can you offer something?

    Dear in the 00s, alas, many of our civilians died. And nobody thinks about them. It is very painful and insulting!
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 12
    0
    Quote: bask
    there will be a 2nd Karabakh war,

    Yes, it will be anyway! All this comes from the reports of military activity on the border!
  • mongoose
    mongoose 17 September 2012 09: 14
    -2
    of the majority of Azerbaijanis, war is not better than Georgians, so that no matter how many weapons they have, the result will be the same.
    ps The Turkish article itself caused me such a historical analogy.
    1950, this article is published in Franco-Spain, where Germany appears instead of Azerbaijan, and the USSR of Armenia laughing
    1. kNow
      kNow 17 September 2012 10: 01
      +3
      Quote: mongoose
      of the majority of Azerbaijanis, war is not better than Georgians, so that no matter how many weapons they have, the result will be the same

      It seems that in the first and second world wars, and in Afghanistan, Azerbaijanis fought no worse than others ...
      Karabakh was a surprise for us. We were not ready for this conflict. Yet 30.000 dead are not an indicator of cowardice ....

      And stick the comparison of Azerbaijan with Nazi Germany much deeper ....
      1. Arayikus
        Arayikus 18 September 2012 12: 52
        -3
        Quote: kNow
        And stick the comparison of Azerbaijan with Nazi Germany much deeper ....


        believe me, no difference!
  • Phlegmatic person
    Phlegmatic person 18 September 2012 18: 03
    +2
    Provocative article. Down with inciting ethnic hatred. We lived together for 70 years, and then democracy came. Give friendship of peoples in the post-Soviet space (and preferably all over the world). That's all I wanted to say. soldier
    1. Ataturk
      18 September 2012 19: 25
      0
      Quote: Phlegmatic
      Down with inciting ethnic hatred. We lived together for 70 years, and then democracy came. Give friendship of peoples in the post-Soviet space (and preferably all over the world).


      Write correctly. And most importantly, humane. We just don't need their friendship.
      Make friends with those who deserve friendship, make friends with those who value friendship,
      I have more than enough facts that we are never friends
      were not and will not be.
      1. Phlegmatic person
        Phlegmatic person 19 September 2012 14: 24
        0
        Quote: Ataturk
        they are never friends to us
        were not and will not be.

        Russia has always been able to warm hostile peoples under its wing, we have 1000 experience in this.
  • woland05
    woland05 16 September 2012 08: 10
    +2
    Good article, thanks to the author. On the topic of the occupied territories - Belokans and Kusars - to return to Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 September 2012 08: 38
      +4
      Quote: woland05

      Good article, thanks to the author.

      It will be interesting to read the comments on this article by all interested parties.
      1. woland05
        woland05 16 September 2012 09: 11
        +4
        There will be no construct in the comments. There will be another Azerbaijani-Armenian srach, this is obvious ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 22
          +3
          Quote: woland05
          There will be another Azerbaijani-Armenian srach, this is obvious ...

          I really would not want this !!
          1. woland05
            woland05 16 September 2012 09: 24
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            I really would not want this !!

            And who would like? ... Is that to the Turks ...
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 40
              +4
              Quote: woland05
              Is that the Turks.

              Well, I am a Turk !!))))
              1. woland05
                woland05 16 September 2012 12: 48
                +1
                I mean the government)))
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: woland05
                  I mean the government)))

                  I basically understood))) so I wrote for discharge, but the truth)))
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 15
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It will be interesting to read the comments on this article by all interested parties.

        Honestly, I was very surprised at this article on this site !!!
        I’ve been here a long time, but I haven’t seen anything like it !!
        In principle, a lot has been written correctly, but there are also inaccuracies!

        ** Of all the former Soviet republics, perhaps Azerbaijan was the most unprepared for independence. There was no concept of national identity ** - absolutely true!
        If not for this war, then Azerbaijan would be like Kazakhstan !!
        As for Petrosyan, too ideolized!
        He was one of the leaders and founder of the * Krunk * movement!
        After the war, he realized that everything was going to a big defeat, as he said, we won the battle, not the war !!
        many of the author’s predictions are utopian !!
        *** The Armenians, having occupied Azerbaijani territories, lost their privileged position in the Azerbaijani economy, but gained only territories. ** - The same is true, if not for aggression on their part, then many high positions in companies and government structures were held would they !!
        "" Without war, Azerbaijan would have remained a puppet of Moscow and would never have been able to achieve real independence. ** - if not a puppet, then the first and executive ally for sure !!
        1. Ergenekon
          Ergenekon 16 September 2012 09: 30
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          The Armenians, having occupied Azerbaijani territories, lost their privileged position in the Azerbaijani economy, but gained only territories. ** - The same is true if it were not for aggression on their part, they would have occupied many high positions in companies and government structures! !

          sheltered vipers at one time, and that in return they received a stab in the back. And vipers should always be crushed. They will not leave the land in good condition, completely destroy the ban formations in Karabakh - soak in the toilet, who wants to die for the Aramyan - please, write wills)
          1. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 13: 21
            +3
            Ergenekon
            Damn, this is called - from a gun to a puddle!
            What, indeed, do you really want to poke? But who needs you, a brawler is kind of .... formidable to, God forgive me and the moderators .... outrage.
      3. Neutral
        Neutral 16 September 2012 10: 47
        +1
        Sanya "Romanov", hello.
        And what is there to comment?
        Now, if the article was called "Errors of Azerbaijan and Victories of Armenia" by a Turk, then it would be possible to comment)))
        And so - the same mugam
        1915 - idealized
        It’s somehow forgotten between the case how Lenin betrayed the Armenians
        Armenia is poor, in the meantime it is forgotten that despite the blockade, the country continues to develop.
        Azerbaijan is kind and glorious. The warriors are the coolest, the technology is full, but poor Russia does not allow liberating Karabakh.
        An article from February 2007, now in the yard September 2012, and things are still there.
        So the conclusion is one - NOTHING.
        1. Kamilla
          Kamilla 16 September 2012 11: 37
          +1
          Quote: Neutral
          Armenia is poor, in the meantime it is forgotten that despite the blockade, the country continues to develop.


          aha ... therefore, soon there will be no Armenians left there ... because "development is in full swing."

          Quote: Neutral
          Article of February 2007, now in the yard September 2012, and things are still there


          if in 2007 everything looked so ... now it’s even worse for Armenia ... sad
          1. the gray wolf
            the gray wolf 16 September 2012 15: 55
            -2
            Quote: Kamilla
            if in 2007 everything looked so ... now it’s even worse for Armenia ... sad

            Armenia is a country without a future ("Slate.fr", France)
            http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20120915/199115253.html
        2. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 16 September 2012 18: 58
          -1
          Quote: Neutral
          So the conclusion is one - NOTHING.

          No, someone wanted to disturb the old corn.
    2. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 2 July 2013 03: 28
      0
      maybe vice versa will return Derbent
  • RUSmen
    RUSmen 16 September 2012 08: 32
    +1
    This week, the Armenians paved the sidewalk near our house: = frankly, some bullshit was being played. Conclusion: send them all out of Russia and let them "asphalt" their independence there.
    1. woland05
      woland05 16 September 2012 09: 14
      10
      The question arises, why aren’t you paving the sidewalk near your house, huh? The sidewalk is yours, the house is also yours, so pave yourself! I, too, the Queen of England was found here ...
  • kNow
    kNow 16 September 2012 08: 45
    +2
    It turns out we should be grateful to Armenia for the occupation of Armenians))) this war threw us back for decades, although it rallied the people
  • Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 16 September 2012 08: 55
    +3
    An interesting point of view, oh Armenians such romantics and idealists do not want such villains to cooperate with Turkey. fool Kurds probably also romantics and idealists want their own state, but the evil and pragmatic Turks do not give! wink
    1. smile
      smile 16 September 2012 13: 30
      +2
      Alexander-Tomsk
      Gorgeous comment !!!!
      Kurds are so romantic that mature, but civilized Turks forbade them to call themselves Kurds, invented a cunning nationality for them - "Mountain Turks" and periodically do not forget to look into Iraq in order to smite their romanticism ... they, however, also do not remain in debt and contribute to the wisdom and maturation of the Turks to the best of their ability .... in general, everyone is happy.
      Although the mention of the immaturity of Azerbaijanis in the article would have insulted me, if I were an Azerbaijanian, and secondly, because of the not very clear, but clear sending of the article - only under the Turkish yat ... oh - wing, they will finally mature .... and fall from the pear! :))))))))
      1. tekinoral
        tekinoral 16 September 2012 13: 52
        0
        we even had the president as a Kurd, full of Kurdish deputies and ministers
        1. smile
          smile 16 September 2012 14: 23
          +1
          tekinoral
          come on - don’t be offended, I’m scoffing at the article, you yourself don’t agree with everything?
          And we had Georgians in the leadership, both Germans and Ukrainians .... something this doesn’t really help us in life ... :)))))))
          1. tekinoral
            tekinoral 16 September 2012 14: 35
            0
            I’m not offended, but we were very pleased from the Kurdish president, it’s a pity that he died early, if all presidents were like him
    2. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 13: 44
      +2
      Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
      Kurds must be romance too


      Didn’t you know? What do you think, the Kurds are dying of hunger there? Poor live? They live as they should! They are given loans on the most favorable terms. They do a lot of things. But they saw independence come on. Are you ready to give yourself?

      DO NOT CARE!

      THERE IS THE MOST FAMOUS TURKEY KURD. MILLIONAIRE!

  • Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 16 September 2012 08: 56
    13
    An article by a Turkish political scientist, therefore, I do not think that it is written with an open mind. Very peaceful Turkey is obtained. And the latest events in Syria show what kind of country it is. It will devour Armenia at any opportunity, and Azerbaijan will not choke.
    1. woland05
      woland05 16 September 2012 09: 14
      +2
      I agree with you, +
    2. von_Richten
      von_Richten 16 September 2012 09: 25
      +1
      Yes, it was. Go and start building the new Ottoman Port.
    3. tekinoral
      tekinoral 16 September 2012 09: 42
      -8
      Kurdalagon. Turkey and should get in the way to Syria there 2 miles of Turks live,
      1. Kurdalagon
        Kurdalagon 16 September 2012 10: 24
        +4
        Quote: tekinoral
        Kurdalagon. Turkey and should get in the way to Syria there 2 miles Turks live

        Let's say. But why is there a reason to upset peace in Syria and contribute to war? Do you think Assad decided to cut out 2 million Turks, and now they need to be saved?
        1. tekinoral
          tekinoral 16 September 2012 10: 47
          -2
          in Bulgaria there were about 2 mil Turks until 1989, now there are about a million of them left, everyone emigrated to Turkey, we don’t want the same thing to happen, recently the Syrians bombed a village with Turks no matter what you read about it in Russia, 3.5 Turks in Iraq sweet whoever represents them there.
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 16 September 2012 11: 56
            +6
            in Bulgaria there were about 2 mil Turks until 1989, now there are about a million of them left, everyone emigrated to Turkey, we don’t want the same thing to happen, recently the Syrians bombed a village with Turks no matter what you read about it in Russia, 3.5 Turks in Iraq sweet whoever represents them there.

            Why are they to Bulgaria? This is a foreign land for you Turks, I think the problem is different in your ambitions. You all dream of creating your own empire, as it is called "the great Turan". Until there is Russia, this will not happen.
            recently the Syrians bombed a village with the Turks no matter what you read about it you in Russia

            Bombing means it’s not in vain that there is nothing to support terrorists, or we will call your diversionary groups differently. Unlike you, the Syrians do not consider you enemies and hope for good neighborly relations.
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral 16 September 2012 12: 02
              -7
              southern Bulgaria is inhabited only by Turks, respectively, Bulgarian citizens lived there for centuries, and Syria always helped the PKK in their own bases, and they bombed women and children
              1. in reserve
                in reserve 16 September 2012 12: 58
                +3
                the south of Bulgaria is inhabited only by Turks, respectively, Bulgarian citizens lived there for centuries


                Conquest by the Ottomans of the Balkan Peninsula

                In the XIV century. from Asia Minor the offensive on Europe of a strong and dangerous enemy - the Ottoman Turks (the Turkish Kayi tribe got its name from the founder of the Sultan dynasty Osman).
                The states of the Balkan Peninsula were weakened by internecine wars and mutual struggle. In 1389, a large army of Ottomans attacked Serbia. In a bloody battle on the Kosovo field, the Turks defeated the Serbs and subjugated them. The conquest of Bulgaria was soon completed: in 1393 the Bulgarian capital Tarnovo fell, and in 1396 the last Bulgarian city of Vidin.
                Organized against the Turks in 1396, a crusade led by the Hungarian king Zhigmont (in the future, Emperor Sigismund I) ended in complete disaster. In the battle of Nikopol on the Danube, the Christian army was defeated.
                At the beginning of the XV century. only the miserable remnants of the Byzantine Empire remained: Constantinople with a narrow strip of the Bosphorus coast, several islands of the Aegean Sea, part of Middle Greece and the semi-independent Morean despotate (the Russian Grand Duchess Sophia, wife of Ivan III was from there). As early as 1362, the Turks took possession of Adrianople (in Turkish - Edirne), making it their capital. The invasion of the troops of the Central Asian ruler Timur in Asia Minor temporarily delayed the fall of Byzantium. But in 1453, after a 63-day siege, the Turks captured Constantinople. The last Byzantine emperor died in battle on a city street. Sultan Meh-honey II moved his capital to Constantinople, renaming it Istanbul.


                and Syria always helped the PKK in Bekaa their base was, and they bombed women and children

                The Kurds have struggled for independence all their lives because they do not even have autonomy, and there are about 8 million of them in Turkey.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: in stock
                  in Turkey, about 8 million.

                  and how many in Iran, in Syria, in Iraq ??
                2. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 16 September 2012 13: 04
                  -3
                  the same can be said about the coasts of the Black Sea and Crimea, that the Russians are there
                  1. in reserve
                    in reserve 16 September 2012 13: 28
                    +3
                    Yarbay
                    and how many in Iran, in Syria, in Iraq ??

                    Well, now the Kurds have autonomy. Assad has made a fuss and this is a threat to Turkey, perhaps even the collapse of the country. You yourself are to blame, the Assad regime will fall Syria will fall apart. Next Turkey.
                    the same can be said about the coasts of the Black Sea and Crimea, that the Russians are there

                    Yes, in general, at first the Greeks lived and there were no state there, and Bulgaria as a state already formed when you conquered it. And all our former republics were part of Russia on a voluntary basis and on equal terms in order to protect yourself from your attacks.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: in stock
                      Well, now the Kurds have autonomy Assad fussed

                      the Kurds have long had autonomy, or rather, almost a state in Iraq, and in Syria it’s such a tactic !!
                      1. in reserve
                        in reserve 16 September 2012 13: 50
                        0
                        Yarbay
                        the Kurds have long had autonomy, or rather, almost a state in Iraq, and in Syria it’s such a tactic !!

                        Well, tactics are not tactics, and there will be no turning back, even if Syria doesn’t fall apart, the Kurds don’t give up autonomy. And if the Kurdish state falls apart too, Turkey will have a piece left.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: in stock
                        Well, tactics are not tactics, and there will be no turning back, even if Syria doesn’t fall apart, the Kurds don’t give up autonomy

                        surrender !! there is nowhere to help them wait !!
                        Crush them!
                  2. tekinoral
                    tekinoral 16 September 2012 13: 40
                    +1
                    but you ask the Crimean Tatars, Circassians and the rest of all Caucasians, voluntarily entered or not
                    1. in reserve
                      in reserve 16 September 2012 14: 55
                      0
                      tekinoral
                      but you ask the Crimean Tatars, Circassians and the rest of all Caucasians, voluntarily entered or not

                      So, the process of the integration of the peoples of the North Caucasus into Russia and the subsequent extension of its military-administrative power to it was lengthy and went through several stages. Since the middle of the XVI century. and until about the 70s of the XVIII century. The voluntary acceptance of Russian citizenship by a number of peoples and rulers of the North Caucasus was accomplished. A distinctive feature of this time was that Russia remained still separated from the North Caucasus by the unpopulated and undeveloped vast steppes of the Ciscaucasia. The southwestern part of this space was included in the scope of the aggressive policy of the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate, and in the southeast, near the Caspian Sea, Shah Iran claimed the North Caucasus region. At the end of this period, the advance of Russia towards the South, towards the Black and Azov Seas and the North Caucasus began to intensify.

                      Around the 70s of the XVIII century. there came an acceleration of the development of the Ciscaucasia by Russia, its settlement by Cossacks and peasants. The Ottoman Empire, and then Shah Iran, suffered crushing defeats in wars with Russia.

                      The adoption of East Georgia (according to the St. George Treatise of 1783) and its final accession in 1801 had a huge impact on Russia's Caucasian policy.

                      Since the 70s of the XVIII century. in the North Caucasus, military lines were built in the form of a chain of fortifications and some settlements. The strengthening of Russia's positions was accompanied by a further consolidation of the orientation of the peoples and rulers of the North Caucasus and the voluntary acceptance of Russian citizenship from the 70s of the 1829th century on. until XNUMX, however, a small part of the feudal lords and communal feudalized upper classes tried to resist, attracting part of the peasants, and tried to take advantage of the wars of the Shah of Iran and the Ottoman Empire with Russia. At the heart of the process of joining Russia at that time remained voluntary and was secured by numerous acts and oaths of citizenship. Along with this, Iran and Ports were compelled to give up claims to supremacy over the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia as a result of the defeats suffered and recognition of the ownership of these lands by Russia.

                      By the 20s of the XIX century. in the politics of Russia new phenomena have been outlined. There is a decisive turn towards the spread of its military administrative authority to the North Caucasus by methods of feudal policy, which provoked strong resistance from a significant part of local feudal lords, part of the communal elite, Muslim clergy, and peasantry (especially in Chechnya, Dagestan, and the Trans-Kuban), as a result of which 1818 began the so-called Caucasian warrior.

                      A source:
                      The history of the peoples of the North Caucasus (end of the 1917th century - 1988) .- M.: Science. 659 .-- XNUMX p.
                    2. tekinoral
                      tekinoral 16 September 2012 15: 25
                      0
                      why then there were so many immigrants to the Ottoman Empire?
                    3. in reserve
                      in reserve 16 September 2012 15: 35
                      +2
                      And why to you then Chechen fighters run away.? If Turkey didn’t stir up water, everything would be all right, otherwise you are sleeping and see how to join the NORTH CAUCASUS, but we are geopolitical opponents.
                    4. tekinoral
                      tekinoral 16 September 2012 15: 53
                      -1
                      Russia also helps the PKK, even their village in Novgorod eats you, and the Wahhabis muddy the water there. That’s S. arabia,
                    5. olegyurjewitch
                      olegyurjewitch 16 September 2012 19: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: tekinoral
                      you even have their village in Novgorod

                      We not only have a village, in the Saratov region there is a very large Kurdish diaspora, but also Meskhetian Turks, a large number of Azerbaijanis, so what, there is no smell of Wahhabism there. They live, work.
                    6. tekinoral
                      tekinoral 16 September 2012 19: 31
                      0
                      Turks and Kurds and not Wahhabis
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 16 September 2012 16: 03
            0
            Quote: tekinoral

            but you ask the Crimean Tatars

            Ask now. in 250 years, there is no one, but entry is an ambiguous process.: "In the conditions of the struggle for power and differences in the political orientation of Muslim nobility. The protege of Russia Shagin-Girey was proclaimed by the Crimean Khan. Russia is conducting a series of events to make the Crimean state completely dependent. One of these acts was the resettlement of the Christian population from Crimea in 1778. The causes of this process are still not well understood. One thing is certain: during the Russo-Turkish war, the Christian population openly expressed sympathy for the Russian troops, saw their defenders in them and had every reason to fear reprisals, both from the Tatar authorities and from the Turks, who could resume military operations at any time and land in the Crimea. This is evidenced by the report of the commander of the Russian troops in the Crimea, Lieutenant General A.V. Suvorov to Prince G.A. Potemkin of June 25, 1776: “... I can’t quite describe to Your Grace the grave danger of the local Christians. Many were already locally under the Tatar guards - the imminent execution belonged to them. ”The Christian population of the peninsula played an important role in its economic life: as a rule, these were artisans, traders, and farmers. Their relocation was supposed to contribute to the economic weakening of the Crimean Khanate, strengthening its dependence on Russia. In turn, Shagin-Girey pursued the goal of creating an ethnically homogeneous state, consisting mainly of Crimean Tatars, and was interested in resettlement from the peninsula non-Muslim population.
            1. N. Dubrovin. “Accession of Crimea to Russia: Rescripts, Letters, Relations, Reports”, vol. 2 St. Petersburg
            Unlike his position, the reaction to this of the Tatar feudal nobility was extremely negative. We must pay tribute to A.V. Suvorov, who was entrusted resettlement of the Christian population of Crimea to the Azov province. Within the framework of his authority, he did everything to help the immigrants and not aggravate already tense relations with the Muslim population of the peninsula. A.V. Suvorov had to pay monetary compensation to the Tatars for the departing Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, representatives of other nationalities and religions. So, in 1779, Shagin-Giray received 50 thousand rubles. The same amounts were intended for bay, murza and khan's officials.
            As a result of the resettlement, 31386 people left Crimea, and the proportion of the Tatar population has increased significantly,http://wiki.tarhancut.com.ua
            I’m just wondering when the Ottomans came to Byzantium, Crimea, Bulgaria, Rumelia, Wallachia, etc., did they also pay compensation to the local population, or vice versa?
          3. tekinoral
            tekinoral 16 September 2012 16: 58
            -1
            During the Caucasian War, the cleansing of the territories of Cherkessia was carried out intensively and the captured population (Adygs, Ubykhs, Abazins and Abkhazians) was sent to the Black Sea coast for a short time for subsequent eviction to the Ottoman Empire, while the occupied territory was settled by Cossacks, Armenians and immigrants from the central part of the Russian Empire [5]. have they been paid too?
  • smile
    smile 16 September 2012 13: 38
    +1
    tekinoral
    Oh, we don’t only have to fill in about the good Ottomans, which, quite recently, on a historical scale, were shook hands and stopped their favorite pastime - reducing the population of conquered lands. By the way, what’s stopping you
    send your bandits and weapons ... oh - to defend democracy in Bulgaria?
    1. tekinoral
      tekinoral 16 September 2012 13: 50
      -1
      Bulgaria is already a democracy, and now the Turks are participating in the political life of the Bulgarians there if the Ottomans were so bloodthirsty as you say, if they couldn’t have exterminated for 500 Bulgarians, for 1000 years of Armenians?
      1. smile
        smile 16 September 2012 14: 32
        +1
        tekinoral
        They answered perfectly, right in the eye ... unfortunately - in mine :)))))
        But, nevertheless, I hope you will not argue that the Ottomans have long been a bloody nightmare of Europe and not only? And the most severe policy of assimilation and Islamization seems to be recognized by all but them. But that’s okay - the thing is past. But the good Turks got into Syrian affairs before decisive action by his power structure. I understand - you have your own scores. but then he also has a claim to you, right? By the way, I doubt it. which will greatly benefit you if Syria goes wild like Libya ..
        1. tekinoral
          tekinoral 16 September 2012 14: 38
          +1
          of course there we don’t need a big mess, everything would end sooner for turnover, so that the trade goes
          1. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 20: 21
            0
            Another good answer ..... Pleased ....
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 52
      +3
      By the way, I remember a conversation with an Arab who said that the Arabs lived best with the Turks)))
      1. smile
        smile 16 September 2012 14: 32
        +1
        Yarbay
        Well, I definitely won’t argue with that.
  • smile
    smile 16 September 2012 13: 32
    0
    tekinoral
    And in Canada, Ukrainians are not much less, can you advise you to look for Ukrainian land there?
    1. Kamilla
      Kamilla 16 September 2012 13: 45
      +4
      Quote: smile
      And in Canada, Ukrainians are not much less, can you advise you to look for Ukrainian land there?


      it’s well said ... there are also a lot of Armenians everywhere .. and give autonomy to them everywhere?
      1. smile
        smile 16 September 2012 14: 36
        +1
        Kamilla
        God be with them, with the Armenians - I'm not going to talk about them at all. It’s just that I showed with this example that the right to Turkey’s participation in fomenting war in Syria is, to put it mildly, indisputably, really disagreeing?
        1. Ataturk
          16 September 2012 14: 39
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Turkey in fomenting war in Syria


          Honestly, Azerbaijanis do not meddle in this topic. Although from the part I agree that the attack on Assad by Turkey is not true.

          I ADMIT.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 50
    +6
    Quote: Kurdalagon
    An article by a Turkish political scientist, so I don’t think it is written with an open mind

    You know so far on these issues and on Turkey in general, here and on many other resources, articles were mainly published by Armenian political scientists and such as Stanislav Tarasov and no one was indignant that this was biased and biased !!
    I think the article is interesting as a point of view, especially since the inhabitants of Azerbaijan agree with 90 percent of the written!
    This is one of the points of view !!
    1. Kurdalagon
      Kurdalagon 16 September 2012 10: 33
      +2
      And 90% of the residents of Armenia most likely will not agree. Although I would like to know their opinion too. Dear Igor is right - politics.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 39
        +4
        Quote: Kurdalagon
        And 90% of the residents of Armenia most likely will not agree. Although I would like to know their opinion too. Dear Igor is right - politician

        I agree, but their opinion is constantly being printed, despite the obvious falsifications, and here for the first time they brought the opposite point of view !!
  • bask
    bask 16 September 2012 09: 27
    +2
    Yes, it’s not possible to try on Armenians and Turks in principle. This hatred at the genetic level is absorbed with mother’s milk. But there is still a chance to solve the Karabakh problem through the mediation of Russia, although objectively and not very much.
    1. kNow
      kNow 16 September 2012 10: 38
      +6
      Quote: bask
      But to solve the Karabakh problem, with the mediation of Russia there is still a chance, although objectively and not big.

      No chance at the moment. Russia will lose in any solution to the Karabakh problem, no matter in whose favor the conflict will be resolved.
  • Igarr
    Igarr 16 September 2012 09: 43
    +6
    I read it.
    Probably, the venerable Sedat LACINER (Sedat Lachiner), it would be necessary to go to the culinary.
    Because I haven’t read such a pocketbook yet.
    He believed that I could, at the very least, perceive the twists and refinements of the verbal balancing act of the East.
    It turns out - was wrong. Strong.
    I read Sedat L. - and realized ... I still have to grow and grow.
    ....
    Although - all these tricks ... Turkey is ready to reconcile you - Azerbaijan and Armenia. Ask only - mediation.
    And Turkey will reconcile you, warm, wrap you.
    Takes hands.
    "A tender calf sucks two queens" - right?
    ....
    So I saw.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 53
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      ... Turkey is ready to reconcile you - Azerbaijan and Armenia. Ask only - mediation.
      And Turkey will reconcile you, warm, wrap you.

      Hello dear!!
      Isn't the USA and Russia doing the same tricks?
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 16 September 2012 09: 57
        +5
        Not ... it's not about us and the States now.
        .
        and so - I agree.
        Dark days ago, Dark informed me - this is politics.
        I agree. Policy.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: Igarr
          Dark days ago, Dark informed me - this is politics.
          I agree. Policy.

          +++++++ I support!
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 16 September 2012 10: 07
    +2
    Turkey actually got involved in the Syrian conflict, which means the beginning of the end of Turkey as a state.
    1. tekinoral
      tekinoral 16 September 2012 10: 50
      0
      you think so, no one is beneficial to the collapse of Turkey, even Russia
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 16 September 2012 12: 03
        +2
        you think so, no one is beneficial to the collapse of Turkey, even Russia

        Russia is generally not interested in what is happening in Muslim countries, judging by these ORANGE revolutions, chaos begins. Not without the help of the Arabs and the Americans who should be given a "hat" long ago.
        1. tekinoral
          tekinoral 16 September 2012 12: 09
          -3
          it’s not profitable for us either, but my opinion is that dictators should leave, and you will get financial benefit from what is happening in the Arab world
          1. Ataturk
            16 September 2012 12: 31
            10
            Quote: tekinoral
            but my opinion is dictators should leave

            Stalin was called a dictator, like all the chief secretaries of the USSR.
            But thanks to them, in an iron curtain, they protected us from any Western
            dermis!!! We did not know much. Came humpbacked and the result? war, debauchery and all.

            Saddam alone held the whole country and what is now in Iraq?
            Gaddafi united all the tribes and what is now in Libya?

            Who asked the people of the USSR to scold the KGB or the Central Committee or communism?
            Learn and work, Sochi min.water provided. And they lived like people.

            And now we survive (((((((((((((

            If the USSR was a DICTATURE, then with my hands and feet for such a dictatorship!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 35
              +2
              Quote: Ataturk
              Stalin was called a dictator, like all the chief secretaries of the USSR

              I can’t forgive Stalin for the fact that after him, approval began in the USSR!
              Criticism was not welcomed and the critic became an enemy of the people and anonymous letters also spoiled the face of socialism !!
              1. Ataturk
                16 September 2012 12: 46
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                I can’t forgive Stalin for the fact that after him, approval began in the USSR!


                MY RESPECT TO KHRUSHCHEV AND ANDROPOV AND BREZHNEV.
                These people are great PEOPLE.

                Let the earth be down to them. As our grave says, let them be NURLA DOL OLSUN.

                They have done quite a lot for us.
            2. tekinoral
              tekinoral 16 September 2012 12: 48
              +1
              I was born in Bulgaria, in 84-85, all Turks and Pomaks forcibly changed their names, they couldn’t speak Turkish, otherwise they immediately gave us a head, they forced us to say that we are Bulgarians, circumcision was forbidden, burial was forbidden according to our custom, the mosques were demolished, the Turks were sent to the army only to the construction battalion, even the hunting weapons were not given to the Turks, and those who resisted were immediately sent to Belene, is this not a dictatorship
              1. in reserve
                in reserve 16 September 2012 14: 02
                +1
                tekinoral
                I was born in Bulgaria, in 84-85, all Turks and Pomaks forcibly changed their names, they couldn’t speak Turkish, otherwise they immediately gave us a head, they forced us to say that we are Bulgarians, circumcision was forbidden, burial was forbidden according to our custom, the mosques were demolished, the Turks were sent to the army only to the construction battalion, even the hunting weapons were not given to the Turks, and those who resisted were immediately sent to Belene, is this not a dictatorship

                Of course, I had no condolences to you, but your ancestors themselves were to blame, they seized someone else's land from the massacre of modern genocide and how you wanted you to be treated.
                1. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 16 September 2012 14: 10
                  0
                  if we had such a massacre, how did they survive, how did we preserve our religion?
                  1. in reserve
                    in reserve 16 September 2012 14: 40
                    +2
                    tekinoral
                    The conquest of Bulgaria by the Turks at the end of the XIV century. doomed the Bulgarian people to five centuries of hopeless slavery. The time of Turkish rule is the most difficult period in the history of Bulgaria, a period of fierce and unequal struggle of the people for their lives, their language, their national culture. The Turkish conquerors, depriving the Bulgarian people of independence, disrupted the normal historical development, delayed the development of the productive forces of Bulgaria. After several centuries of Turkish rule, the Bulgarian people turned out to be one of the most economically and politically backward peoples of Europe.


                    And so they kept their religion.
                    You may be surprised, but even among the few people have heard about the Year of Russia in Bulgaria. The history of the Russian-Turkish war of liberation is undergoing Russophobic revision, fast-moving advocates of political correctness, sparing no effort, trying to free the Bulgarians from the burden of memory of Turkish slavery, suggest installing a monument to Suleiman Pasha and his relatives on Shipka. Fortunately, these attempts are repulsed by honest and objective people. In 2008, Bulgaria: 130 years have passed since the end of the Russo-Turkish war, which at the cost of 200 thousand Russian lives put an end to five centuries of slavery of the Bulgarian people.
                    1. tekinoral
                      tekinoral 16 September 2012 14: 54
                      -1
                      not only the Bulgarian economy was bad, the weight of the Ottoman Empire was bad, and thanks to the countless wars that were fought over the monument, Turkey and Russia agreed to build monuments to the Russians to Turkey and the Turks in Russia, this is a normal story
            3. sichevik
              sichevik 17 September 2012 09: 58
              +2
              Ataturk, a huge plus !!! Great comment. You can’t say better.
              1. Ataturk
                17 September 2012 10: 19
                +4
                Quote: sichevik
                Ataturk, a huge plus !!! Great comment. You can’t say better.


                and thank you too drinks
            4. Bekzat
              Bekzat 17 September 2012 11: 29
              +2
              Greetings to all and you, dear Ataturk.
              I would not be against such a dictatorship either, at least there would be order, and there would be no ethnic strife, we would solve everything quickly and in a timely manner. And as for the article, I think that the article is clearly provocative, perhaps even custom-made.
              1. Ataturk
                17 September 2012 11: 37
                +2
                Quote: Bekzat
                at least there would be order, and there would be no ethnic strife, they would solve everything quickly and in a timely manner.


                That's right!

                Quote: Bekzat
                And as for the article, I think that the article is clearly provocative, perhaps even custom-made.


                The article is not provocative and far from being ordered. This is the reality and the truth!
                This is a regular article! They just wrote the truth! Weak truth, but truth and reality
          2. in reserve
            in reserve 16 September 2012 13: 03
            +1
            Firstly, there is no benefit, and even they begin to climb towards us, they export their religion of terrorists, they send us shorter troubled waters in Russia, and we need it, of course, we don’t have a sweet life.
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral 16 September 2012 15: 01
              0
              Monument in Turkey Australians
          3. in reserve
            in reserve 16 September 2012 13: 56
            +2

            tekinoral
            it’s not profitable for us either, but my opinion is that dictators should leave, and you will get financial benefit from what is happening in the Arab world

            But what is Assad a dictator, a very democratic leader who coexists with different religious communities and the Svets order and you should think about it because if Syria falls you will remain the only Svets state if you certainly want to be like that, and not live in a radical Islamic world .
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral 16 September 2012 14: 05
              0
              I don’t want to live in radical Islamic and Sharia law, we are not Arabs. Since 1963 there was a state of emergency in Syria, in connection with which there were expanded powers of law enforcement agencies. And where did you see democracy here

              It is also known that about 300 thousand Kurds are not able to obtain Syrian citizenship.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 15
                +1
                Quote: tekinoral
                Since 1963, a state of emergency has been operating in Syria, in connection with which there were expanded powers of law enforcement agencies. And where did you see democracy here

                and it is canceled this year ????? or earlier ??
                1. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 16 September 2012 15: 02
                  +1
                  canceled this year
  • Stasi.
    Stasi. 16 September 2012 10: 11
    +5
    Whatever the relationship between Armenia and Azerbaijan, it is not for the Turks to judge this. It is better for the Turks to deal with the Kurdish issue and not to meddle in relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Previously, there was still the opportunity for diplomatic negotiations and some options between the two countries. But after the vile, you cannot say otherwise, the murder in Hungary at the NATO courses of the Armenian Gurgen Margaryan by the Azerbaijani Rafal Safarov, there can be no talk of any diplomatic negotiations. Honestly, the fact that this murderer was honored as a national hero is a shame on Azerbaijan. If Safarov killed Margaryan in a fair fight, then no one would say anything. It can also be said that the West has once again shown its policy of double standards.
    1. kNow
      kNow 16 September 2012 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Stasi.
      at the courses of NATO Armenian Gurgen Margaryan

      Actually, the Russians were supposed to kill him for this. What does an Armenian officer, an officer of a country that Russia defends do at NATO courses?
      1. Kamilla
        Kamilla 16 September 2012 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: kNow
        Actually, the Russians were supposed to kill him for this. What does an Armenian officer, an officer of a country that Russia defends do at NATO courses?


        and in fact, why is no one asking? what did the officer of the country, a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization .. at NATO courses ???
        1. Ataturk
          16 September 2012 13: 11
          +3
          Quote: Kamilla
          what did the officer of the country, a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization .. at NATO courses ???

          when they and NATO are necessary, when they and CSTO are necessary. And while both are happy. Well done. So breed more and need to be able to!
          Although it may be they are bred. Everyone has their own interest.
        2. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 16 September 2012 19: 27
          0
          Quote: Kamilla
          and in fact, why is no one asking? what did the officer of the country, a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization .. at NATO courses ???

          And what did an Azerbaijani citizen do at NATO courses? Or maybe they both had US citizenship?
    2. tekinoral
      tekinoral 16 September 2012 10: 54
      -2
      And why Russia judges Serbia, not because they are your brothers
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: Stasi.

    No matter what the relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan are, it is not for the Turks to judge this
    And who can be judged ??
    Quote: Stasi.
    But after the vile, you cannot say otherwise, the murder in Hungary at the NATO courses of the Armenian Gurgen Margaryan by the Azerbaijani Rafal Safarov is out of the question

    what is the meanness ?? the murder happened 9 years ago, why did the negotiations continue? And the murders of thousands of civilians, women, children of the elderly, was the heroism of the Armenians ?? What did Margaryan do on the courses ??
    Quote: Stasi.
    Honestly, the fact that this murderer was honored as a national hero is a shame on Azerbaijan

    Safarov killed an enemy officer, not a civilian!
    That's right and did !! not for you to judge!
    and that the Armenians killed the inhabitants of Khojaly in an honest duel ??
    why are you unperturbed?
    1. Stasi.
      Stasi. 16 September 2012 10: 29
      +9
      The relations between the two countries should be examined by the Armenians and Azerbaijanis themselves, they should be judged. Margaryan studied in the framework of the partnership with NATO and there is nothing to say here what he did there. And as for the murder of an enemy officer, I will say one thing: killing an enemy in battle is valor. Killing an enemy in a sleeping and unarmed state is meanness and a war crime. This has long been recognized in all countries and always killing an unarmed man in a war was considered a war crime. I repeat once again: if Safarov killed protecting his life or protecting the life of another person, no one would say anything.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: Stasi.
        Killing an enemy in a sleeping and unarmed state - meanness and war crime

        The enemy was not asleep !!
        This is an Armenian propaganda !!
        Insulted the flag and insulted Safarov and received, rightly so, it’s a pity that he didn’t cut the second one !!
        Quote: Stasi.
        meanness and war crime.

        Do you consider killing women and children, scalping old people to be valor and heroism ??
        It was with the form of Margaryan that the Nazis burned civilians alive !!
        Quote: Stasi.
        I repeat

        Correctly done hacked !!
        The enemy, the military and his destruction was right!
      2. kNow
        kNow 16 September 2012 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Stasi.
        Margaryan studied in partnership with NATO

        You have awesome allies laughing
      3. Ergenekon
        Ergenekon 16 September 2012 10: 41
        +1
        Quote: Stasi.
        in a sleeping and unarmed state

        nonsense, he was not sleeping, because before breaking the door with an ax, an Azerbaijani officer tried to persuade him to scream for about five minutes after another Arabian-main instigator of the brawl didn’t open the door, or rather, the Lithuanian to whom the second went Aramian, because the Azerbaijani officer promised to deal with them both at night after class, this is the first.
        and secondly, villainy and war crime is when Budanov raped and killed an 18-year-old girl, so do not drive about valor here.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 16 September 2012 10: 51
          +5
          That is, you consider it valor. And the same actions of an Armenian against your fellow tribesman would approve of?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 57
            +1
            Quote: DIMS

            That is, you consider it valor. And the same actions of an Armenian against your compatriot would approve

            I think this is correct !!
            When you shoot a cannon at an enemy, do you think that suddenly a shell killed a child or civilian ??
            Do not consider valor poisoning a terrorist by letter or killing him in a toilet ???
            What do you mean would approve ??
            Are you out of your mind ?? Death comrade fighting how can I approve ??
            The fact that the Armenians disapprove, I understand, but I do not care their opinion !!
            Just like them mine !!
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 06
              +4
              I did not see the answer to my question: will you also relate to the actions of the Armenian towards the Azerbaijani.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 21
                +1
                Quote: DIMS

                I did not see the answer to my question: will you also relate to the actions of the Armenian towards the Azerbaijani.

                You didn’t want to see the answer !!
                I wrote clearly there !!
                Reread !!
                We are enemies !!
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 24
                  +4
                  That is, you protect your own only because he is his own, and not because he was right. What can we talk about then
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: DIMS

                    That is, you protect your own only because he is his own, and not because he was right. What can we talk about then

                    He is right in any way !!
                    Because the war !!!
                    He did not kill a civilian, did not kill a child!
                    He killed an officer of the enemy army!
                    If you are happy to kill enemies in the toilet, then what do you not like ??
                    I defend him, because the enemy is those who killed women and children in that form !!
                    killed the enemy, we will have less work !!
                    1. DIMS
                      DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 34
                      +1
                      Where is the war? In Hungary? From what date?
                      1. the gray wolf
                        the gray wolf 16 September 2012 11: 47
                        +1
                        and you read how many Turkish diplomats Armenians killed in the United States, France, Argentina, etc., was there a war? so the question is where the war is inappropriate.
                      2. DIMS
                        DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 50
                        +2
                        Well, they, as I understand it, killed enemies, if your logic is followed?
                      3. the gray wolf
                        the gray wolf 16 September 2012 11: 55
                        +2
                        this is their logic, Turks are their enemies everywhere, all over the world, and even children and women killed in Khojaly.
                        And they are enemies to us for the occupation of our lands, for the murder of our children and women.
                      4. Ataturk
                        16 September 2012 12: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Well, they, as I understand it, killed enemies, if your logic is followed?

                        Enemy consul and ambassador?
                        They call for a visit and when they eat at the back, they shoot in the back. Is it an enemy?
                        For God's sake.

                        French tourists, Swedes, at the airport they are enemies ??????
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: DIMS

                    Where is the war? In Hungary? From what date?

                    War is everywhere and even here!
                2. in reserve
                  in reserve 16 September 2012 12: 16
                  +7
                  He is right in any way !!
                  Because the war !!!
                  He did not kill a civilian, did not kill a child!
                  He killed an officer of the enemy army!
                  If you are happy to kill enemies in the toilet, then what do you not like ??
                  I defend him, because the enemy is those who killed women and children in that form !!
                  killed the enemy, we will have less work !!


                  I think if the opportunity arises, you will not spare non-Armenian women, not children.
                  If you are happy to kill enemies in the toilet, then what do you not like ??

                  We wet them on the battlefield and the enemy also has weapons, which would be under equal conditions if the Armenian also had weapons and he would kill an Azerbaijani. On your part there would be exclamations that not a good armenin killed a good man.
                  And so you are trying to justify "MURDER".
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: in stock
                    I think if the opportunity arises, you will not spare non-Armenian women, not children.

                    why was there such an opportunity more than once !!
                    Moreover, both soldiers and officers were taken prisoner !!
                  2. Ataturk
                    16 September 2012 12: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: in stock
                    I think if the opportunity arises, you will not spare non-Armenian women, not children.

                    3 times fought with them. Not once have we Azerbaijanis not killed children.
                    And they killed only ours. This is also a fact.
                  3. in reserve
                    in reserve 16 September 2012 13: 09
                    +2
                    3 times fought with them. Not once have we Azerbaijanis not killed children.
                    And they killed only ours. This is also a fact.

                    Something I doubt. You do not need the Armenians in Karabakh, you only need land. As Georgians, South Ossetians do not need only land.
                  4. Ataturk
                    16 September 2012 13: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: in stock
                    Something I doubt. You do not need the Armenians in Karabakh, you only need land.

                    Have you read the article? Have you seen how they lived? Tell the truth please.
                  5. in reserve
                    in reserve 16 September 2012 14: 11
                    +2
                    Ataturk
                    Have you read the article? Have you seen how they lived? Tell the truth please.

                    What truth is written by a Turk who supports Azerbaijan and actually considers it his province, this is true for you in the article, because it reflects your interests.
                    And they killed only ours. This is also a fact.

                    Provide the facts.
                  6. Ataturk
                    16 September 2012 14: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: in stock
                    Provide the facts.

                    Here is an Armenian singing about Baku. I think this is more than enough !!!

                3. in reserve
                  in reserve 16 September 2012 14: 31
                  +1
                  Ataturk
                  From Wikipedia, here is the link http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
                4. Ataturk
                  16 September 2012 14: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: in stock
                  From Wikipedia, here is the link http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/

                  what is it?

                  Azerbaijan has never been a mono-national country. This is a very important aspect and everyone knows about it. Fortunately, it has not become such in our days of mass "quartering" of people according to their national-ethnic niches. After all, Baku is a unique city. He is a conglomerate of good and, thank God, not lost traditions of national and confessional tolerance. And in it, as you said, Russians, Jews, Georgians, Ukrainians, representatives of a dozen other large and small nations live comfortably "side by side with Azerbaijanis".
                  Our city is like a big, smoking and life-giving oriental cauldron, which will feed the fill and warm with its heat.
                  And the Armenians were included in this environment in all respects and criteria of public life. No one will deny that most of the Baku Armenians lived well, worked in key positions, and sat in parliament.
                  In a word, they were actively included in the orbit of the public and business life of the republic.
                  But, unfortunately, those who started the conflict least of all thought about the fate of the Baku Armenians.
                  In Baku, there were no problems between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Lived, worked, talked, were friends, got married. How many mixed marriages were.
                  I can say that more than 30 thousand Armenians live in Baku today.

                  WATCH THIS VIDEO. WELL DONE. He is Armenian!

                5. in reserve
                  in reserve 16 September 2012 15: 08
                  +1
                  Ataturk
                  Well, if you are so friendly then let go of Karabakh and let it join Armenia. I gave you a reference above read whose earth it is.
                6. Ataturk
                  16 September 2012 15: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: in stock
                  Well, if you are so friendly then let go of Karabakh and let it join Armenia.


                  For me, my land is my home, my mother, my honor and my conscience. And now again repeat what you suggested to me and on this topic and the conversation with you will be closed!
                7. in reserve
                  in reserve 16 September 2012 15: 46
                  +1

                  Ataturk
                  For me, my land is my home, my mother, my honor and my conscience. And now again repeat what you suggested to me and on this topic and the conversation with you will be closed!

                  In my opinion, I expressed myself clearly let go of Karabakh and let it join Armenia.
                8. igor67
                  igor67 16 September 2012 15: 52
                  +2
                  in reserve,
                  Not right, that is, in your opinion, should Russia give up the islands of Japan?
                9. in reserve
                  in reserve 16 September 2012 19: 33
                  +1
                  igor67
                  Not right, that is, in your opinion, should Russia give up the islands of Japan?

                  The issue of ownership of the southern Kuril Islands (я 領土 問題 Hoppo: ryo: do Mondai ?, “The problem of the northern territories”) is a territorial dispute between Japan and Russia, which has been unsettled since the end of World War II. After the war, all the Kuril Islands were included in the USSR, however, the ownership of the Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan islands and the group of Habomai islands is disputed by Japan. The issue of ownership of the southern Kuril Islands is the main obstacle to the full settlement of Russian-Japanese relations and the signing of a peace treaty.

                  You will find the rest at this address http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%F0%EE%E1%EB%E5%EC%E0_%EF%F0%E8%ED%E0%E4%EB%E5%E
                  6%ED%EE%F1%F2%E8_%FE%E6%ED%FB%F5_%CA%F3%F0%E8%EB%FC%F1%EA%E8%F5_%EE%F1%F2%F0%EE%
                  E2% EE% E2
              2. Ataturk
                16 September 2012 16: 33
                +2
                Quote: in stock
                In my opinion, I expressed myself clearly let go of Karabakh and let it join Armenia.


                Armenia has proved that as a country they cannot exist.
                They had nothing left to pay off their debts with.
                Give them all Eurasia, all the same they will be head over heels in debt.

                If you love distributing lands so much, can you give your house to other nations?
                In short, everything is clear with you !!!

                I will not give my land and home to ANYONE !!!!
                Do not return for good, return for bad !!!
              3. GP
                GP 16 September 2012 17: 33
                +2
                Quote: Ataturk
                Armenia has proved that as a country they cannot exist.
                .


                It may not seem pleasant to you, but the facts show this.
                Armenia:
                1. the border with Turkey is closed,
                2. the border with Azerbaijan is closed,
                3. international sanctions against Iran,
                4. closing the border of Russia with Georgia,
                5. Armenia has 4 borders with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkey,
                6. Georgia-Armenia trade is cheap, as is trade with Iran with the risk of international sanctions.
                Bottom line: exemplary economic isolation, Armenia exists, there are no hunger riots. Naturally, there is no development, due to the banal lack of normal trade. A strength test is underway, for now; and the reasons that fall apart are not visible.

                For comparison, Azerbaijan:
                1. the border with Armenia is closed,
                2. international sanctions against Iran.
                Result: own sources of resources, partially limited trade (not critical in view of previously not significant trade relations with Iran), normal trade with the Caspian countries, Russia’s sanctions against Georgia do not apply to Azerbaijan (not a lot, but they play into the hands, making Georgian products the main intermediary to the Russian market). It is logical that Azerbaijan took place as a state, is slowly developing.
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 43
                +3
                Quote: GP
                international sanctions against Iran

                they do not prevent Iran from trading with Armenia and provide invaluable assistance to Armenia!
                Quote: GP
                closing the border of Russia with Georgia,

                this does not mean the closure of the border with Georgia and the world!
                No military supplies are coming!
                There is a separate agreement between Armenia and Georgia !!
                Why did Sargsyan after the 2008 war award Saakashvili with the Order of Honor of Armenia ??))
                The population of Armenia has already decreased almost three times, out of almost 5 million, one and a half remain and immigration continues!
                So your data and therefore the conclusions are not true !!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 28
    +4
    Quote: in stock
    Something I doubt. You do not need the Armenians in Karabakh, you only need land. As Georgians, South Ossetians do not need only land.

    In the war, everyone kills everyone, it’s not necessary to idealize someone here, but to lower someone. Personally, I would never be able to kill a child or an old woman. But starting 16 years old, yes. Yes, now we don’t need them there. And we need ours land.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 September 2012 23: 25
    +4
    Quote: DIMS
    That is, you protect your own only because he is his own, and not because he was right. What can we talk about then

    Personally, I can say for myself that I welcome the fact that a specific officer of the Armenian army died who could kill our soldiers and civilians in the future. How this was done and all that is not interesting was the specific threat eliminated)
  • the gray wolf
    the gray wolf 16 September 2012 10: 59
    +2
    you must answer for the insults - that is, the Aramite answered for his insults.
    Yes, valor, stood up for himself and punished for insulting the people, nation, flag.
    Arymanya our enemies - killing the enemy is a matter of principle.!
  • smile
    smile 16 September 2012 13: 49
    +2
    Ergenekon
    I greet you and congratulate you with the title of gynecologist-distantist! According to all materials, there was no rape case. But you somehow found out about him ... weren't you from a lifetime photo of Kungaeva? I do not want to comment on the rest, so as not to arouse the people against the Czechs. But I’ll ask the question: Dear, you are sure. that defloration doesn’t come from your sight? Can I let you out on the street? If you do not want to answer. just admit that you lied in the heat of the dispute, we will understand and we won’t bob.
    1. smile
      smile 16 September 2012 15: 01
      +1
      smile
      Sooooo. What gynecologists are already two? One more was found who, with a glance at the photographs, not only makes diagnoses, but also investigates? Well, so answer. buglers! Awww! Can you justify your awareness? Or at least be designated. so that I know who else claims such a high rank ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Sooooo. What gynecologists are already two?

        ))))))))))))))) bad profession)))))))))))
        1. smile
          smile 16 September 2012 20: 18
          +1
          Yarbay
          A profession found out ... I have a cousin - a proctologist ... also not far gone ... :))))), but REMOTE gynecologists cannot be pleasant to anyone ..... this person brazenly lied, with a very definite purpose .. ... therefore in this case is an insult! This scum should be aware that it was not crushed by real facts ... so to speak, ambiguously exposing his compatriots .... without any lies .... from the peace of mind on the site and not only ... but it started brazenly lie .... Alibek, can you do this? .... By the way, otherwise. as a gynecologist, I propose not to call this liar!
        2. Odessa
          Odessa 16 September 2012 22: 46
          +3
          Yarbay,
          Quote: smile
          Sooooo. What gynecologists are already two?
          ))))))))))))))) bad profession)))))))))))

          Well, not everyone can be counter-therapists. bully
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 12: 01
    +2
    Quote: Stasi.
    Killing an enemy in a sleeping and unarmed state is meanness and a war crime.


    I agree with you. But you can show me the criminal case of this process and I will double-agree with you.

    and also tell me how he got to a sleeping Armenian?
    1. How did the climber go down from the roof and break the window and enter?
    2. He chopped and chopped the door until it opens? Since the dormitories have card doors.
    3. Or did they engage in magic and at once find themselves in a room?
    1. Kamilla
      Kamilla 16 September 2012 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Ataturk
      and also tell me how he got to a sleeping Armenian?
      1. How did the climber go down from the roof and break the window and enter?
      2. He chopped and chopped the door until it opens? Since the dormitories have card doors.
      3. Or did they engage in magic and at once find themselves in a room?


      or maybe he was bitten by a radioactive spider?))) you never know .. winked
    2. Stasi.
      Stasi. 16 September 2012 12: 36
      +5
      Dear Omar! I did not read the criminal case that the Hungarian investigators were conducting, I do not know how Safarov was able to get into Margaryan’s room, the fact that he committed a crime. If Margaryan did this, I would say the same thing as a crime. Now we need to answer the following questions. 1. Why did the leadership of the NATO courses conduct joint training of an Armenian and an Azerbaijani, one cannot believe that the Hungarians are not aware of the nature of the relationship between them. 2. Why measures to prevent conflict have not been taken. 3. Where is the evidence that Gurgen Margaryan insulted Safarov and provoked a conflict. These certificates were not presented in court. Honestly, I have one opinion: the leadership of the courses, knowing the nature of relations between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, did not specifically take any measures to prevent a possible conflict, regardless of who could initiate it. It turns out that the West is profitable to strengthen the destabilization of relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan, to add fuel to the fire. If this were not so, then the NATO would have organized separate training, in which Margaryan and Safarov would not have crossed at all.
      1. GP
        GP 16 September 2012 12: 44
        0
        Quote: Stasi.
        1. Why did the leadership of the NATO courses conduct joint training of an Armenian and an Azerbaijani, one cannot believe that the Hungarians are not aware of the nature of the relationship between them. 2. Why measures to prevent conflict have not been taken. 3. Where is the evidence that Gurgen Margaryan insulted Safarov and provoked a conflict


        There is such a thing as a neutral territory (not to be confused with nobody's territory), from which it has been believed from time immemorial that any strife on it ceased by definition. It is not surprising that the NATO did not even think of isolating anyone from anyone. Hungary is nowhere neutral for the NKR conflict.
      2. Ataturk
        16 September 2012 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: Stasi.
        that he committed a crime.

        I agree and suffered a punishment of 9 years.

        BEFORE answering your questions, tell me how much time is given in Russia for murder motivated by passion (and there are many reasons for it to be in a state of passion)?

        Quote: Stasi.
        1. Why did the leadership of the NATO courses conduct joint training of an Armenian and an Azerbaijani, one cannot believe that the Hungarians are not aware of the nature of the relationship between them.


        NATO is silent, as it burns with shame for inviting two Armenian officers to the courses who did not receive proper education as a child, were not taught decency and did not understand that NATO courses in Budapest are not a place for village ridicule, cynical remarks to a colleague, abuse of the flag of a program mate and other provocations! NATO is fully aware that evil begets evil.

        Where is the evidence that Gurgen Margaryan insulted Safarov and provoked a conflict.


        If the ethnicity of the victim was a real motive for the murder, then Ramil had no reason to go so far to Europe. To this day, tens of thousands of Armenians live quietly in Baku. Many compatriots met our compatriot in Izmir, where he studied. Why kill an Armenian and end up in a Hungarian prison when there is a Turkish prison ?! Gurgen Margaryan was not punished for his nationality. A hand raised to the Azerbaijani flag will be cut off!

        further

        And the West certainly benefits the war. They want to let their peacekeepers in Karabakh closer to Iran. This is so clear!


        In the materials of the criminal case there is not a word that the victim at the time of the murder was dreaming. This is another myth of Armenian propaganda, which does not find confirmation in the materials of the criminal case. To kill Gurgen in a sleeping state, Ramil had to either fly into the room through the window, like a sparrow, or Gurgen had to sleep with the door open wide. No other way, Ramil could not get into the room of Margaryan, who enjoyed the seventh dreams. Again, those who for many years spread the myth of the “sweetly sleeping Armenian officer” never saw the criminal case materials in their eyes and never even visited the hostel where the drama was played, if only for the sake of interest. Otherwise, they would have known that the locks on all the doors in this hostel since 2000 have been replaced with conventional key locks with electronic card keys, as in most hotels.

        1. Stasi.
          Stasi. 16 September 2012 13: 11
          +1
          If the NATO leadership realized that evil begets evil, there would be no NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. I do not believe that the NATO leadership has any sense of shame in relation to anything. I also do not believe that the invited Armenian officers were so rude and wild, completely ignorant and not able to behave. After all, they represented their country and knew perfectly well that they could judge the whole country.
          1. Ataturk
            16 September 2012 13: 25
            +5
            Dear Paul
            Armenia in the CSTO. This was already a betrayal by going to NATO exercises.
            I am already silent as they passed the codes to the American military and showed the S-300 in more detail.

            What else can you expect from them ?????????????
      3. kNow
        kNow 17 September 2012 08: 31
        +3
        Quote: Stasi.
        Where is the evidence that Gurgen Margaryan insulted Safarov and provoked a conflict. These certificates were not presented in court.

        Quote: Stasi.
        I did not read the criminal case


        I would like to clarify the issue with Safarov a little. For some reason, he is considered a hero in Azerbaijan. There is the highest degree of distinction in Azerbaijan - "National Hero". Safarov was not awarded this title. So - not a hero.
        Safarov committed a crime in neutral territory. I will not touch on the psychological state of Safarov.
        If only Hungary had been involved in the business - and it would have condemned Safarov in its laws - Azerbaijan would not have intervened. After all, there are Azerbaijanis in the same Russian prisons - and no one pulls them out of there.
        But Armenia intervened and tried to arrange an indicative international flogging of the Azerbaijanis with the accompanying propaganda.
        Safarov was soldered the maximum punishment - a life sentence. Again, a comparison with Breivik - for 77 people - 22 years.
        Armenia's intervention has shifted common crime to the plane of Armenia vs Azerbaijan. Here the principle - "friend or foe" already began to work, it became unimportant what exactly happened, it was necessary to pull out his spite to the enemy.
        And the glee at Safarov’s return is not a delight for his heroism. This is the joy that the authorities do not abandon their own, this is the joy of the moral defeat of the Armenians ...
        1. Ataturk
          17 September 2012 08: 46
          +4
          Quote: kNow
          moved a common crime to the plane Armenia vs Azerbaijan.


          And the world has witnessed yet another loss of Armenian diplomacy. Obviously, the Hungarians would not, on their own initiative, for no reason at all release the convicted Azerbaijanian, - This is a consequence of the demarche: Azerbaijan for Hungary is not a diplomatic value for which one can go to a scandal. But Turkey and Israel - yes. Someone suggested to Baku that now is the time to strengthen its positions by returning the convict home, "making a goat" to Yerevan. And "the hint could have come, most likely, from Washington" or NATO. “No matter how surprised Obama was, he was indignant at the public afterwards. His initiative is flat, or someone who stands above him. Since Washington will never show a hand in such a matter, mediators come in further. Turkey and Hungary are not only both NATO members, they are friends. Hungary and Turkey are friends on the basis of pan-Turanism. At the same time, Turkey is an ally of Baku. Israel has a serious lobby in Budapest and interests in Baku. "
          From here we draw conclusions about the power of the Armenian lobby. Baku support for Ankara and Tel Aviv is an occasion to improve their own relations. He also explained that Armenia - the only Moscow ally in the South Caucasus - supports Iran and, accordingly, Assad.
          The moment has been chosen when Assad begins to break in his favor, "- In the whole story with Ramil Safarov, Washington's cowardly hypocrisy is especially worth noting: he wants to eat an Azerbaijani fish and sit down ... in general, you understand.
  • Averias
    Averias 16 September 2012 10: 47
    +3
    The article is both interesting and controversial. Here, I don’t see the point of giving comments, I need to listen to the parties concerned. Just not in the style of who owes how much and who is cooler, not poking old insults but real proposals that imply mutual agreement on this issue. Although in my opinion this is utopia.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 10: 52
      +4
      Quote: Averias

      The article is both interesting and controversial. Here, I don’t see the point of giving comments, I need to listen to the parties concerned. Just not in the style of who owes whom and who is cooler, not poking with old insults, but real proposals that imply mutual agreement on this issue. Although in my opinion this is utopia

      I agree with you!
      But mutual agreement on this issue is impossible!
      Armenia wants too much, but Azerbaijan will not give !!
      War is inevitable, unless of course in Armenia they understand that their views on this problem and further occupation lead them into the abyss from which they will no longer be able to get out !!
  • Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 16 September 2012 11: 06
    +5
    Another custom article aimed at driving a wedge into the already fragile world between the three countries ... Slowly, but confidently, bigwigs of the international oil business through the CIA are dripping on the brains and teaching life to fragile sovereign states ....
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Gorchakov
      Another custom-made article with the goal of driving a wedge into the already fragile world between the three countries ..

      What kind of world are we talking about? Every day a shootout. Every day, people die.
      1. Gorchakov
        Gorchakov 16 September 2012 14: 27
        +1
        Shootings - this is not a war .... You and people like you still read the war in Syria with an act of disobedience, and several shots on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border - with a war! Do not wait !!! But the article is custom-made, and although the wedge between these countries has been driven for a long time, only provocateurs dream of war ....
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: Gorchakov
          Skirmishes are not a war ..

          and you tell the mothers of the dead!
          Quote: Gorchakov
          only provocateurs dream of war ...

          I dream about her, the desire to free my homeland is a provocation ??
  • Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 16 September 2012 11: 25
    +2
    "On the other hand, the Georgians in the north have always been allies of the Turks for centuries."
    laughing laughing when were Georgia and Turkey allies?
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 11: 57
      +2
      Quote: GEOKING95
      when were Georgia and Turkey allies?

      Given your mocking smile, you shouldn’t be friends with you. Along the way, you forgot that your economy is kept 2 TURKISH country! They help you not to starve.
      The truth is that Kama says that you don’t slaughter us, just keep quiet as we save your economy and you are dependent on us.

      DO NOT BE GRATEFUL.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 16 September 2012 13: 11
        +2
        Quote: Ataturk
        Given your mocking smile, you shouldn’t be friends with you. Along the way, you forgot that your economy is kept 2 TURKISH country! They help you not to starve.
        The truth is that Kama says that you don’t slaughter us, just keep quiet as we save your economy and you are dependent on us.

        DO NOT BE GRATEFUL.

        sorry but you misunderstood me!
        according to history, Georgia and Turkey had an allied relationship. Georgia’s relations with Turkey improved 20 a year ago when Georgia became an independent country!
        Quote: Ataturk
        Kama tells me the truth that you don’t slaughter us,

        I have many friends Turks! but there are Turks who think that everything is allowed to them! in truth, Turkish residents have more rights than ours in Adjara. but everyone has such people!
      2. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 16 September 2012 13: 28
        0
        according to history, Georgia and Turkey did not have an allied relationship.
        don't listen etu georgia tames
        she was the most propogindechish sayit katori commissioned by the Kremlin) well, maybe not the Kremlin, but it justifies the Putin regime!
        1. smile
          smile 16 September 2012 14: 43
          0
          Geokingxnumx
          So you answer - in all our textbooks at all levels, the point of view is firmly upheld that the Georgian principalities were never allies of the Turks (except under duress), for what reason, the evil Kremlin, which, it’s clear the stump, was bought by all the bad Putin, who would blackmail everyone with oil would suddenly begin to pay heresy, which, who is to the detriment of Russia?
    2. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 16 September 2012 12: 17
      +3
      you look, are you Georgians? there are no such Georgians. forgot whose oil you live gas, ingratitude is only with primates. wassat
      1. Ataturk
        16 September 2012 12: 42
        +1
        Quote: Boz Qurd
        you look, are you Georgians? there are no such Georgians. forgot whose oil you live gas, ingratitude is only with primates.


        The Kremlin, or rather GAZPROM, forced us to raise the price of GAZ for Georgia.
        They froze there in the winter. Aliyev then said that ours live there, I can’t raise the price. And so they are in a deplorable state.

        as a result, relations deteriorated with Russia, as they raised the price of gas for Azerbaijan, we bought gas from them and transferred the same gas to Georgia for this price, not earning a penny. And you had to leave them freezing !!!

        I, as an idiot, defend them here, but this is what he writes. My father’s relatives live in Georgia. Our gas is mainly consumed in Tbilisi, while ours are LIVED with firewood there. By God. They live poorly. Not able to pay for GAZ.

        They need to raise the price of gas, they will know how to talk next time.
        Camilla told me, RUSSIANS respect us more than Georgians, They are silent because of projects. Here is their real face

        Listen to what a 15 year old girl says. Ash is disgusting. So I want to raise the price of everything. They will know !!!

      2. smile
        smile 16 September 2012 14: 00
        +1
        the gray wolf
        You know, I argued quite a bit with GEOKING95. But you can argue with him normally. And now I can only sympathize with him - as soon as he at least hinted that the Ottomans were crushing the Georgian principalities. For centuries they had to maneuver, then fight to survive ... and on you - the closest allies instantly screamed - whose bread do you eat. whose tea you drink, and in general - who are you !!!!! ..... What are you, about Georgians, how to treat useful pets - drink. feed, but give a bark only on command? Good soyuznichki, nothing to say ....... this your run over, to admit. made a painful impression ....
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 14: 04
          +2
          Quote: smile
          You know, I often argued with GEOKING95

          You are right from the ship to the Volodya ball)))))))))
          Quote: smile
          Are you to the Georgians

          Who are you talking about ??))))
          to them that everyone began to relate like that except us))))))))
          1. smile
            smile 16 September 2012 15: 10
            0
            Yarbay
            Alibek, I was really skewed that it was worth GEOKING95 to blather correctly non-aggressively. As you gently reproached him for living at your expense, Boz Qurd mixed him up with Mr. General. Are you like allies? I dont know. why Azerbaijan and Turkey, in your words, contain Georgia, but from this episode it follows that you treat it like a kept woman - who feeds the girl - that’s her and ... dancing ... in my opinion, after that the country is called not an ally, but a satellite ....
            By the way, then the question arises - if you keep them on a short leash, then you influence politics ... so it’s, Mishiko sniffed from behind, or you also put your hand here :)))) (I personally can’t believe it) , and if not, so chegozh you do not pull it ... :))))))
            1. Ataturk
              16 September 2012 15: 32
              +2
              Quote: smile
              Alibek, I was really skewed that it was worth GEOKING95 to blather correctly non-aggressively.


              Maybe I got too excited, maybe I shouldn't have talked in such a harsh form, he didn’t put it right, and I got too excited.

              Quote: smile
              I dont know. why Azerbaijan and Turkey, in your words, contain Georgia


              1. because they are our neighbors
              2. because ours live there.
              3. we do not want to quarrel with our neighbors.
              1. smile
                smile 16 September 2012 19: 55
                0
                Ataturk
                yeah ...
                1. because they are our neighbors
                2. because ours live there.
                3. we do not want to quarrel with our neighbors.
                that’s why you reproach the Georgians you dance with a piece of bread? ... these are not neighbors ... these are pets ... the Georgians feel sorry .... sad story ... you realize that you are destroying the joint mythology about evil Russian and good Turks ? .... by the way, those Georgians who were led ... not sorry ...
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 37
              +2
              Quote: smile
              Alibek, I was really distressed that it was worth GEOKING95 to blather correctly non-aggressively. As you gently reproached him for living at your expense, Boz Qurd mixed him up with Mr. General.

              I have seen))))))))))))
              Quote: smile
              I dont know. why Azerbaijan and Turkey, in your words, contain Georgia,

              Well, in terms of politics, Georgia also needs Azerbaijan, just as Azerbaijan needs Georgia !!
              I mean, without Georgia, many economic projects would have failed !!
              Quote: smile
              if you keep them on a short leash, then you influence politics ..
              I would not say on a short leash, but I think that ours can influence politics, but not on global issues!
              Quote: smile
              Mishiko sneezed from behind.

              I don’t know))) but when the President of Armenia awarded him the Order of Honor of Armenia immediately after the war, I thought !!))
              Saakashvili is said to be Armenian, has he really started this war on purpose to lose?)))))
              1. smile
                smile 16 September 2012 20: 05
                +1
                Yarbay
                Alibek, what .... seriously, their president awarded Mishiko? !!!! If yes, then I did not know .... very much did not know ......
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 September 2012 11: 35
    +4
    Armenians and Azerbaijanis need to remain calm and not to heat up the situation! On one of the sites I read a summary of combat activity in Nagorno-Karabakh! There, they do not lightly water each other! God grant them reason!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: nycsson
      God grant them reason!

      You know, I certainly understand you, but what is the reason ??
      I once wrote here that 20 years ago I dreamed of returning alive!
      Now I dream to die three times, but to win!
      I regret that I survived, if I knew that then everything would be so, then it would be better if I died !!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 56
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        You know, I certainly understand you, but what is the reason ??

        The reason is not to start a war!
        Quote: Yarbay
        Now I dream to die three times, but to win!

        If you die, you won’t celebrate the victory! What kind of belligerence do you have ?! How do you hate each other! I do not understand! Probably this is already at your genetic level ...........
        Quote: Yarbay
        I regret that I survived, if I knew that then everything would be so, then it would be better if I died !!

        Agree that these are not normal thoughts! If you don’t think about yourself, think about your children! Well, now the war will begin between you and Armenia, there will be a number of countries drawn into it. Suppose you win, but at what cost?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 11
          +3
          Quote: nycsson
          The reason is not to start a war!

          you know a hundred times the same thing I do not want to write!
          If you read my comments carefully, you would not say these words to me !!
          You do not understand us!
          Your grandfather would understand!
          Quote: nycsson
          If you die, you won’t celebrate the victory! What kind of belligerence do you have ?! How do you hate each other! I do not understand! Probably this is already at your genetic level ...........

          Because you know little about what happened and is happening!
          Quote: nycsson

          Agree that these are not normal thoughts! If you don’t think about yourself, think about your children!

          I and my son will definitely take !!
          He is still small, but cooking !!
          and at what cost did we win the Second World War ??
          We will not stand for the price, remember the song ??
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 September 2012 17: 24
            0
            [quote = Yarbay] You don’t understand us! [/ quote]
            That's for sure! I will never understand! [quote = Yarbay] Your grandfather would understand! [/ quote] And your grandfather would not understand!

            [quote = Yarbay] Because you know a little about what happened and is happening! [/ quote
            Probably! That you are there! You know better. I am only content with information from the media!
            [quote = Yarbay] I and my son will definitely take it !!
            He is still small, but cooking !! [/ quote]
            First prepare ........

            [quote = Yarbay] and at what price did we win WWII ?? [/ quote]
            Invalid comparison! They attacked us! Now you want to attack ...
            [quote = Yarbay] We will not stand for the price, remember the song ?? [/ quote]
            Of course!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 47
              +2
              Quote: nycsson
              Invalid comparison! They attacked us! Now you want to attack .....

              we were also attacked and occupied by our territories, we want to free them !!
              I don’t need a centimeter of a foreign land, but I won’t give my span too !!
      2. Bekzat
        Bekzat 17 September 2012 11: 45
        0
        Alibek I welcome you, and still I would like you (Azerbaijanis and Armenians) to resolve the issue peacefully !!!
        1. Ataturk
          17 September 2012 12: 14
          +2
          Quote: Bekzat
          Nevertheless, I would like you (Azerbaijanis and Armenians) to resolve the issue peacefully !!!


          Who returned the land peacefully?
          20 years of negotiations is not enough for negotiations?
    2. DIMS
      DIMS 16 September 2012 11: 46
      +1
      The same thing happened in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia before the war. How, damn it, the snow will melt, they began to bullet into each other. And so on until late fall. So far, have not reached the good war with all the consequences.
  • 416sd
    416sd 16 September 2012 11: 49
    +6
    Colleagues, the article is written in the right direction, but it is weak. Sedat Lachiner - this is the name the experts at least say nothing.

    As for those who dispute the fact that without the Armenian aggression there would be no push for nat. self-awareness - one should agree with the author. Moreover, it was not he who came up with it and this is not his idea - in Azerbaijan and Armenia itself they have been writing for a long time (Muradyan, for example, wrote in Armenia more than once) that the main mistake of Armenia was that the strike in Karabakh should have been such as to destroy the Azerbaijani state, destroy it. But they didn't. Failed. Instead, the collective psychological trauma did a lot for the monolithization of Azerbaijanis, set a goal for the nation - the return of Karabakh, in short, there are a lot of advantages, as stupid as that sounds. Even JV Stalin, referring to VI Lenin, said - "The defeated nations learn quickly." Now, in a long-term sense, the Armenians have complete hemorrhoids - the enemy is stronger than you, bigger than you, richer than you, who still remembers what you did to him when he was an "ugly Azeri".

    But in general - weakly. Could reveal the wider systemic weaknesses of Armenia, the weaknesses of the Armenia-Diaspora relationship model, could write about the evolution of Azerbaijani-Russian relations. Superficially like that.
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 12: 23
      +3
      Quote: 416sd
      weaknesses of Armenia-Diaspora relationship model


      HERE IS A LETTER FROM DIASPORA TO THE AUTHORITIES OF ARMENIA

      Letter from the Syrian Armenian: The people of Armenia, happily stay! ..

      My mother and two sisters with their children have been held at the airport in Yerevan for more than 40 hours. The reason is that they are ordinary people. My sisters, despite the fact that they are Armenian, and my mother, who has been an Armenian wife for 40 years, have not received visas. First they said: "Prove that you are Armenians." They were baptized in the church, and all the baptismal documents were faxed to Yerevan, they specially phoned from the Armenian embassy in Damascus and sent a letter confirming that these people belong to the Armenian community of Syria and that they are Armenians.

      CONTINUED



      And Turks say the enemies of the Armenians. Rave!!!
      1. Kamilla
        Kamilla 16 September 2012 12: 33
        +5
        Quote: Ataturk
        And Turks say the enemies of the Armenians. Rave!!!


        no, of course ... how many Armenians live there ... there are schools in Armenian ... newspapers are published ... there are radio ... some kind of broadcast) businessmen, politicians, journalists, teachers ...
  • Ataturk
    16 September 2012 11: 54
    +7
    Frankly, I’ll say that I have everything. I'm from 1990 for January,
    very strongly held a grudge against the Kremlin. All Russian annoyed me.
    He was young and hot. Over time, I made Russian friends, matured,
    I realized that the Russian people have no reason. My ardor, resentment slowly erupted.
    Today I read one article, for which I bow to those Russians, to those people who live with honor and justice. Over the past 8 years, 2 people of Russian nationality have repeatedly rescued me. From Pskov and Moscow.
    My thanks to them. I do not forget the good. I remember everything. I have a friend Ivan from St. Petersburg, a psychologist, hello to him. He is reading our forum.

    And most importantly, I want to say THANKS to Vadim Smirnov. For his position, for his justice. There are jambs who do not have them, if the plates do not break in the family, then something is wrong.

    GLORY OF RUSSIA, GLORY TO MY COUNTRY, GLORY TO OUR FRIENDSHIP !!!!

    PLEASE READ THIS NEWS !!!



    THANKS to the organizers of the RUSSIAN FORUM.
    By God, I’ll write to our president all this, even our site,
    I’ll ask you to think about the radar. Russia is already adhering to fair politics.

    And at the end. GUYS, thank you all for your support, for a fair position, for your posts to my country and people.

    DOORS OF OUR COUNTRY OPEN FOR OUR FRIENDS.
    Yesterday in Astrakhan, our oil fund helped RUSSIAN CHILDREN.

    I am for the peace and friendship of our peoples.
    For me, Russian is closer than NATO or the best American.

    Thank you all.
    Regards, Omar.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 09
      +6
      Quote: Ataturk
      And at the end. GUYS, thank you all for your support, for a fair position, for your posts to my country and people.

      DOORS OF OUR COUNTRY OPEN FOR OUR FRIENDS.
      Yesterday in Astrakhan, our oil fund helped RUSSIAN CHILDREN.

      I am for the peace and friendship of our peoples.
      For me, Russian is closer than NATO or the best American.

      I subscribe to your every word!!
      Thank you Omar !!
    2. Kamilla
      Kamilla 16 September 2012 12: 10
      +4
      Aramais .... SULEYMANYAN)))))))) HERE DIES !! and you know, Omar, we have a friend, he has a son in Austria, he became friends with one ... Baku ... his name is MIRZYA ALLAHVERDI-OGLU)))) I thought that it’s Azerbaijani ... then it turned out .. Armenian! well, they talked generally normally .. until the moment the Armenian found out that Safarov was released ... that’s what happened to him ((all sorts of threats started ... the Armenian began to behave inappropriately ... well, boy, tried to somehow curb him ... they say, you don’t need to interfere with politics, we get along well and so on ... but, then I realized, it’s impossible ... as if we had changed ... although the Bakuer, like ... well, he broke with him any relationship ...

      so, why am I ... have you ever met a Turk, an Azerbaijani with the surname Gevorgyan, Avanesyan ... and so on? who will claim that they are Turks ?? no! and you will not meet ... because we are not changing for anyone ... we are attached to our land! to its roots .. this once again proves that we have lived on our land for centuries! and the Armenians didn’t have it ... in Russia they are the Ivanyans ... in Azerbaijan Allahverdyans ... in America Michael, Scotia ... and so on ... like chameleons ...
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Ataturk
      Thank you all.
      Regards, Omar.

      Mutually!!! good drinks hi
  • Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 16 September 2012 12: 11
    +2
    yes, in the 90s the whole Caucasus and all the former republics in that region burst into flames of burning villages. cities. villages .... a terrible time ... tension still remains ...
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 17
    +5
    Quote: sasha 19871987
    yes, in the 90s the entire Caucasus and all the former republics in that region burst into flames with burning villages. cities. villages .... a terrible time ... tension still remains ..

    So it was not without reason!
    Remembering those times and analyzing the past, I clearly understand that without these conflicts the USSR would have collapsed impossible!!
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 16 September 2012 12: 27
      +1
      it was just the wrong way of forming a republic-national, it is clear that the conflicts were ripe before that, just when the red giant began to crack, everything was going on, but it climbed out .... and it’s still climbing, let’s recall the events of 2008, August and kind of 8 numbers ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 September 2012 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: sasha 19871987

        there was simply the wrong way of forming a republic-national

        I do not agree !!
        Attempts to shake have always been in the republics, but the party and law enforcement agencies quickly eliminated the source of instability, by the way, dissidents appeared in the republics!
        The measures taken at the wrong time and, moreover, it seems to me that the conscious unwinding of these conflicts led to a sad event !!
        If 5-10 people were arrested in time, everything would have calmed down !!
  • GP
    GP 16 September 2012 12: 31
    +5
    Article from the Evil One.
    And the Safarov case put such a pig on his fellow tribesmen. Despite the fact that he was also awarded a medal as approval of his actions by the authorities. The Azerbaijanis here on the site, those present and approving, should seriously think about it. After all, what is this case if not the approval of "conduct of hostilities anywhere", i.e. the murder of Armenians in any country in the world. And the battlefield is not only the territory of the NKR and the adjacent ones, but also all the places that are neutral. Moreover, the Armenians are being handed permission to retaliate "military actions" against Azerbaijanis in a frame with a blue border.
    I’m kind of smiling a little, so that they start cutting the neighbor in my country or the Azerbaijanian in the neighboring house, just because they are not able to resolve territorial disputes at home.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: GP
      And Safarov’s affair put such a pig to his fellow tribesmen.

      a person has accomplished what he accomplished in a state of deep emotional experience because of this he served almost 9 years !!
      Quote: GP
      ... After all, what is this case if not the approval of "conduct of hostilities anywhere", i.e. killing Armenians in any country in the world

      If this were so, then Armenians would not live in Baku!
      Quote: GP
      Moreover, the Armenians are being handed permission to retaliate "military actions" against Azerbaijanis in a frame with a blue border.

      and they never shunned it !!
    2. kNow
      kNow 17 September 2012 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: GP
      he was also awarded a medal

      where did you get this? recourse
      Quote: GP
      Moreover, the Armenians are handed permission in a frame with a blue border to retaliatory "hostilities" against Azerbaijanis.

      Armenians never stopped the border. You do not know how they hunted Russian military and political figures who at the dawn of the Karabakh conflict tried to restore order there?
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 16 September 2012 13: 38
    +1
    I think this is stupid, they want it, but as the GDP said, from a dead donkey's ears.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 16 September 2012 14: 54
    0
    Russia is now like a ship embarking on a long voyage, which has to sail through a large number of floundering and drowning people. Those who fail to sail to the side, so as not to interfere with the movement, will be crushed. Sailing to the side and weakened will be picked up and saved, who will sail too they will sink far and long and hard. A metaphor that has ears, let it hear.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: baltika-18
      Russia is now like a ship embarking on a long voyage,

      Just need a good repair and a team selflessly loving the motherland !!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 September 2012 16: 47
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        Just need a good repair and a team selflessly loving the motherland !!

        That's for sure! However, in the light of world events, you will have to make repairs and recruit a team! From hopelessness ...... hi
  • Magadan
    Magadan 16 September 2012 15: 50
    -2
    Quote: vaf
    This article is clearly provocative and aimed at inciting the next round of national and interstate hostility!

    Gold words. It’s sad that this anti-Armenian qual is coming. I have an Armenian best friend.
    Yarbay and Ataturk! All respect to you guys, but if Russia does not stand up for Armenia, I will consider this a betrayal. And the CSTO has nothing to do with it, I wanted to put it on these blocks. We do not have many original friends, and the Armenians, whatever one may say, are one of those few.
    He bleeds his heart seeing this hatred between the two peoples we respect, but still we have brotherly feelings for the Armenians and if Putin silently makes a run over the Armenians, then this will be his big mistake.
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 16: 36
      +3
      Quote: Magadan
      and the Armenians, whatever one may say, are one of those few.

      I am glad that you have a friend and he is Armenian. Best friends are like finding a real treasure. But in general terms, I have repeatedly laid out their friendship.

      So you think that my land should be given to Armenia?
  • MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 16 September 2012 16: 03
    +1
    We don’t need either Armenians or Azerbaijanis, and we don’t need to support anyone, a tight border and a visa regime, we have so many opportunities that are breathtaking, only a strong Russia, a sovereign and self-sufficient, successful country with a developing titular nation, then who we will be interesting, and now a cash cow, in which all the former are trying to bargain for something. The word geopolitics sounded here, today Russia should have one vector of geopolitics building the Russian state, not tinting the facade, but really restoring and creating a new one, neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis can help us, only the Russian people can do this as the foundation of the Russian Federation has been doing for centuries Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. GP
      GP 16 September 2012 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: MI-AS-72
      We don’t need either Armenians or Azerbaijanis, and we don’t need to support anyone, a tight border and a visa regime, we have so many opportunities that are breathtaking, only a strong Russia, a sovereign and self-sufficient, successful country with a developing titular nation, then who we will be interesting, and now a cash cow, in which all the former are trying to bargain for something. The word geopolitics sounded here, today Russia should have one vector of geopolitics building the Russian state, not tinting the facade, but really restoring and creating a new one, neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis can help us, only the Russian people can do this as the foundation of the Russian Federation has been doing for centuries Everything else is from the evil one.


      Russia developed historically due to the fact that it needed Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Poles, Germans, Swedes, and Kazakhs ... etc., especially doctors, teachers, architects, builders, scientists and others ... It was thanks to the careful attitude towards this kind of "non-Russians" that it became a strong, sovereign and self-sufficient, successful country with a developing titular nation. And again he is on the same tracks. Which I am generally glad about.
      1. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 16 September 2012 20: 53
        +2
        Don't just fantasize, the role of these peoples and their place in the life of Russia in tsarist and Soviet times were different, and teachers and other intelligentsia appeared in large numbers, including because the USSR invested a lot of money there often at the expense of Russians, there was even a limit on admission to the universities of the peoples of the USSR, only there is such a tendency, not very these nationalities were eager to go to flight schools, there were even whole meetings and decisions about this, as soon as the boy appeared from there, even with the 3rd group of psychoselection and with 2 They took them, but they were not there and were not eager to write about the time of the late 70s and early 80s. And I don't want that again, at our expense they lived and developed, they have their own land, their own economy, God help them and good luck in everything. But only by ourselves. And I hope that your conclusion "about rails" will remain only yours, and God forbid Russia to fight on someone's side.
        1. GP
          GP 16 September 2012 23: 09
          +1
          The contribution of these peoples to the life of Russia was quite consistent with their capabilities. Moreover, one should not forget that the Ottomans-Turks and Persian-Iranians passed through those lands, the very developed peoples in those days and their education and culture left its mark. The Russians found themselves south of sowing. The Caucasian ridge, by virtue of a series of Russian-Turkish and Russian-Persian wars, simultaneously liberating the peoples of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, who very vigorously fought on the side of Russia. And the contribution is made by people, natives of those places, many of whom are rightfully proud of.

          So, by the way, Azerbaijan flies on aircraft designed by an Armenian (MiG)laughing
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 September 2012 16: 04
    +2
    Quote: Magadan
    All the guys respect you all, but if Russia does not stand up for Armenia, I will consider this a betrayal

    Dear Magadan!
    Here we share our views, opinions and none of us condemns you for your personal position !!
    Friendship is friendship !!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 16 September 2012 16: 21
    0
    It’s somehow wrong to compare different states. Turkey is sitting on treason, according to the results of the first world war it should give Armenia the final part of the territory. To compare the success of the economies of Armenia and Azerbaijan is the same, from the realm of fantasy one state has oil and access to the sea, another nothing like that does not have.
    1. Ataturk
      16 September 2012 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      To compare the success of the economies of Armenia and Azerbaijan is the same, from the realm of fiction, one state has oil and access to the sea, the other has nothing of the kind.


      And who is to blame?
      1. pogis
        pogis 16 September 2012 17: 30
        +1
        geography:)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: pogis

          geography:

          perhaps I agree, but not only that !!
          1. pogis
            pogis 16 September 2012 18: 32
            0
            More Mr. Nobile!
  • pogis
    pogis 16 September 2012 16: 58
    0
    It seems to me that Azerbaijan is now capable of repeating what Croatia has done with the Serbian extreme in 1995! And then Serbia did not twitch much (given the common border), but it could!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 September 2012 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: pogis
      It seems to me that Azerbaijan is now capable of repeating what Croatia has done with the Serbian extreme in 1995! And then Serbia did not twitch much (given the common border), but it could!

      I think I could not twitch !!
      And behind Croatia stood powerful forces that secured that victory with their weapons and diplomatic influence !!
      1. pogis
        pogis 16 September 2012 18: 27
        -1
        But they don’t stand behind Azerbaijan ?!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 September 2012 18: 33
          +3
          Quote: pogis

          But they don’t stand behind Azerbaijan ?!

          Not yet, unless Turkey and some circles in Israel, but this is not enough for a quick military solution !!
  • pogis
    pogis 16 September 2012 18: 47
    -1
    1. Turkey is the strongest regional power with all the consequences ....
    2. Azerbaijan does not care about Russia like the rest of the world thanks to its bowels and developed infrastructure!
    3. The whole world of Russia Turkey does not care about Azerbaijan (read p. 2) And the whole world does not spit on Armenia (read p. 2)! In the modern world, the Jewish and even more so the Armenian lobby is losing credibility!
    1. Butterfly net
      Butterfly net 16 September 2012 21: 43
      +1
      1) Russia is the strongest regional power. Iran, for example, I think Turkey is not inferior.
      2) Azerbaijan didn’t spit on anyone so long ago that the United States started the war with Armenia as allies.
      3) How to see Armenia is an Orthodox country and that’s why we can’t surrender it. This is our stronghold among Muslim countries. Therefore, there is our military base. But no profit came from Azerbaijan
      1. tekinoral
        tekinoral 16 September 2012 21: 52
        0
        where is religion, you forget that in Russia 20% of the population are Muslims
        1. GP
          GP 16 September 2012 23: 38
          +2
          Quote: tekinoral
          in Russia, 20% of the Muslim population


          Does fear have big eyes?) 10% are "ethnic Muslims" - Ingushetia, Chechnya, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kabardino-Balkars, Karachay-Cherkessia, they were classified as Muslims due to their nationality. Up to 5% are migrant workers from Central Asia. Nobody considered atheists in their midst, unlike Russians smile
          Recent events in Moscow are almost a complete census of all active Muslims in the country.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 16 September 2012 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: Net
        But no profit came from Azerbaijan

        I think that Azerbaijan has chosen the same path as Georgia! The scenario will be about the same as in South Ossetia! I won’t be surprised that they will act in tandem with Georgia! Georgia is again armed + statements by Mishiko! It’s a clear anti-Russian policy !!! How Russia will react to these actions, one can only guess !!!
        1. tekinoral
          tekinoral 16 September 2012 22: 28
          0
          I think that Azerbaijan has chosen the same path as Georgia! The scenario will be approximately the same as in South Ossetia
          Russia will not risk not attacking Azerbaijan if the treaty with Turkey comes into force, first Turkey will block the Bosphorus for Russian ships, stop buying gas, and Russia will send warships to break through the blockade, then NATO is entering, then Georgia will seize the opportunity again Abkhazia will enter, militants in Chechnya and Dagestan will attack logistics convoys to Armenia will not be able to transfer troops since airspace will be closed
          1. Butterfly net
            Butterfly net 16 September 2012 22: 40
            0
            Here, besides Russia, another player is Iran. It is not strange that they can support Armenians. They have the main enemy of the United States now. and the USA are friends of Azerbaijan and Turkey. And in general, where did this article come from? It seems that in other media about the Caucasus is silent.
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral 16 September 2012 22: 44
              -1
              player Iran has more than half the population of Azerbaijani Turks!
              1. Butterfly net
                Butterfly net 16 September 2012 23: 33
                0
                Well, more than half wink This is also why the strong Azerbaijan will support the Armenians. As far as I remember, in the first conflict they supported the Armenians and supported, I won’t say for sure.
                Now in Google looked from 18 to 42 percent is somehow vague.
          2. kNow
            kNow 17 September 2012 08: 46
            +3
            Quote: tekinoral
            Russia will not take risks, will not attack Azerbaijan


            Georgia thought so too
        2. kNow
          kNow 17 September 2012 08: 45
          +3
          What is the matter with you Nixon? wink Come to Azerbaijan, everything is much nicer wink
          Quote: nycsson
          I think that Azerbaijan has chosen the same path as Georgia!

          If you mean the pro-Western orientation of Georgia to the detriment of territorial interests, then you are deeply mistaken. Azerbaijan will never do this.
          Quote: nycsson
          The scenario will be about the same as in South Ossetia!

          The authorities are doing everything to avoid such a scenario
          Quote: nycsson
          I won’t be surprised that they will act in tandem with Georgia!

          We will not see open support from Georgia.
          Quote: nycsson
          There is a clear anti-Russian policy

          Where on the face? belay facts, facts ... where?
          Quote: nycsson
          How Russia will react to these actions, one can only guess!

          Russian foreign policy is like the ways of the Lord, inscrutable wink
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 17 September 2012 10: 14
            0
            Quote: kNow
            What is the matter with you Nixon?

            Yes, everything is fine with me!
            Quote: kNow
            If you mean the pro-Western orientation of Georgia to the detriment of territorial interests, then you are deeply mistaken. Azerbaijan will never do this.

            I mean the pro-Western attitude of your power! And this attitude has not brought anyone to good! Or do you think that in the West they worry about the well-being of Azerbaijan?
            Quote: kNow
            The authorities are doing everything to avoid such a scenario

            Above, read my correspondence with Yarbay! Your government is doing everything to prepare for the war in Karabakh, and overseas "friends" are pushing it to do this, just like Georgia again! You can also add the Iranian factor here! You were promised the north of Iran, where ethnic Azerbaijanis live !?
            Quote: kNow
            We will not see open support from Georgia.

            They will act in their own direction, and you in your own way! As I see it!
            Quote: kNow
            Where on the face? belay facts, facts ... where?

            I think Gabala is enough for you! You can even say a few words about the provision of airfields for striking Iran!
            Quote: kNow
            Russian foreign policy is like the ways of the Lord, inscrutable

            This is the only thing I agree with you! Eccentrics at the helm ....... hi
            1. kNow
              kNow 17 September 2012 10: 22
              +3
              Quote: nycsson
              Or do you think that in the West they worry about the well-being of Azerbaijan?

              We don’t think, we know for sure, we are sure that their well-being is up to them. We are building our foreign policy on this.
              Quote: nycsson
              Your power does everything to prepare the war in Karabakh

              I agree. The entire economy, foreign and domestic policy is aimed at restoring territorial integrity.
              Quote: nycsson
              overseas "friends" are pushing her to do this, just like Georgia again

              Hold Nixon, hold. We are without allies. And their support is worth little.
              Quote: nycsson
              They promised you northern Iran, where ethnic Azerbaijanis live !?

              Are we so naive? laughing
              Quote: nycsson
              I think Gabala is enough for you! You can even say a few words about the provision of airfields for striking Iran!

              Why do you think Azerbaijan is interested in Russia leaving Gabala? interested in your opinion
              I will not say anything about airfields - there are no reluctance to comment on rumors.
              1. Ataturk
                17 September 2012 11: 02
                +2
                Quote: kNow
                Why do you think Azerbaijan is interested in Russia leaving Gabala?

                can I say)))))))))))?
                1. kNow
                  kNow 17 September 2012 11: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  can I say)))))))))))?

                  Sure. But I will listen to Nixon
                  1. Ataturk
                    17 September 2012 11: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: kNow
                    Sure. But I will listen to Nixon

                    Russia benefits from this situation. FROZEN. And he eats an oil fish from Azerbaijan, both gas and armed contracts, and as Medvedev said PARTNERSHIP relations and Armenia under GAPAZ (ending in the hands of the economy from the beginning to the beginning of his presence) thereby protecting the outpost and earning money for us, plus the main point is in Azerbaijan represented by the Gabala radar station.

                    This is beneficial for Serge too, maybe everyone will forget about Karabakh over time, but the people are not happy with them, which was in some articles. Like why Russia wants to raise the price of gas for Armenia, when they themselves said with their mouth that we AREA of Russia and the price should be like those who live in Russia. But the Dashnaks want a war. MAIN THINGS BY OTHER HANDS. Because if Azerbaijan starts a war, their howl from America to Kamchatka will be heard. From here Azerbaijan is an aggressor, and Karabakh gains independence and the dream of a great Hai state will be slowly realized.

                    Everyone knows and understands this in Azerbaijan. And also the fact that it is impossible to spoil relations with Russia openly, but it is necessary to make Russia feel that it can lose in the person of Azerbaijan. We do not need 300 million, we need the Russian troops to leave Azerbaijan. This is the first step in losing influence and presence in Azerbaijan. And to make it look cultural, we traders raise the price and say why the radar should be used against Turkey, our brotherly country, and at the same time we look like traitors in the person of Turkey. The pretext is not bad. Accordingly, the Kremlin will not like this. Since this loss is not small. And Azerbaijan wants this step to achieve 2 goals.
                    1) This is to wake up from the frozen conflict of Russia, or decide or do not intervene.
                    2) Azerbaijan needs a war. Revenge for Karabakh is number 1. And number 2 is already our land.

                    If Russia does not wake up, the next will be next, Azerbaijan begins to build a trans-Caspian pipeline, which will hit the pockets of GAZPROM strongly + Armament will be purchased not from Russia but from Izpail, a double blow. then Russia will definitely wake up. The question is what Russia will do.

                    Let's consider these parties.
                    1. Ataturk
                      17 September 2012 11: 28
                      +1
                      In no case should Russia have second Georgia under it. Since if Azerbaijan becomes the 2nd Georgia, the whole Caucasus will be shaken. Plus, Azerbaijan will sponsor from the Tatars for self-determination, and will not issue any Chechens. And militants from the Arab countries will not only pass through Georgia but also through Azerbaijan. For this reason, the head of Russia, the prime minister, are silent about the Safarov case. That is, a quarrel with us is excluded. For this reason, this conflict is in this state. If Russia declares independence of Karabakh, no one will recognize it, well, the maximum of Handuras. In real life, we already lost him. There are none of ours. From this, Russia will lose a lot. In terms of economics, even then Azerbaijan is already joining NATO and the whole WEST will be in Azerbaijan.
                      Although this topic is like a hemorrhoid in Russia, there is no longer any benefit from Armenia. All that could be taken has already been taken. Of course, Russia would exchange Armenia for Azerbaijan with arms and legs, only Azerbaijan is not Armenia. Azerbaijan is unlikely to give a free base for 50 years. Azerbaijan is not possible to rule. It is literally an independent country and Armenia is completely and dependent on Russia. In short, an outpost of us will not work. And I do not want to leave the Caucasus either. Therefore, Russia will do everything in order not to lose Armenia as an outpost and Azerbaijan as a PARTNERSHIP country.

                      And how much Azerbaijan can go further is a moot point. The radar is already real, the TRANS-CASPIAN PIPELINE is already chatting about it. I do not know.
                      But one thing I know, Russia turned out to be in the same KAPKAN which we and Armenia overwhelmed. And so it can’t go on either.

                      I hope my post does not offend anyone. I just expressed my point.
                      1. kNow
                        kNow 17 September 2012 11: 35