Minsk: Ukraine has requested "emergency assistance" in the supply of electricity

Due to the catastrophic shortage of electricity, Kiev did not take unprecedented measures. For the first time in recent years, Ukraine has made a request for so-called emergency assistance from a foreign state. It is noteworthy that this state is Belarus.

In the summaries of the Belarusian Energy Ministry it is said that a request came from Ukraine to provide "emergency assistance" in terms of electricity supplies. The contract is urgent. It was signed today at 15:00 Moscow time.

The Belarusian side, which had previously refused Ukraine to sign a large contract for the supply of electricity, agreed to a short-term supply of 500 MW of electricity to the neighboring country. Deliveries are reportedly in progress at the moment.

The Belarusian side emphasizes that there is no talk of long-term supplies of such products as electricity to Ukraine.

Minsk noted that the Ukrainian Ministry of Energy sent a special letter to colleagues in the Belarusian Ministry with a request for "emergency assistance" to resolve the crisis.

Now for Ukraine itself, the question arises: what will happen after Minsk supplies the aforementioned 500 MW? The problem is deeply rooted. The fact is that there is less and less so-called thermal coal at Ukrainian thermal power plants. At most stations, the reserve is no more than 7-9 days. Russia earlier refused to supply energy coal to Ukraine.

Against this background, it became known about Kiev's request for so-called emergency assistance for the supply of electricity from Slovakia.

Comments

[Vaўkalak]

They are not yelling will not buy "dictatorial" electricity! Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vaўkalak

They are shouting will not buy "dictatorial" electricity? Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

Wait a bit - the pan-headed ones will ask for gas for "emergency" purposes. And, which is typical, our "emergency" will give.

[Vaўkalak]

I have no doubts. In general, I got it. They spoil us (and Russia) so much, but we and again Russia all feel sorry for them, brotherly people, we need help, etc. If only once to show the character. Although, it's all about money, most likely, it is simple in a beautiful wrapper, they say, you need to help.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vaўkalak

but we, and again Russia, all feel sorry for them, brotherly people, we need help, and so on. If only once to show the character.

Show character once and there will be a new Maidan. Only now THESE, who crap, with a portrait of Bandera across the dupa, will race across London-America-Israel. And then the St.George ribbons from the zagashniks will fit and fasten. They are no strangers to changing shoes in flight.

[Rubi0]

Obviously, in the money, the usual deliveries are 1.7, and such emergency supplies are already at 5 per kilowatt

[Tigerrr]

And the Belarusians could offer 50 and a 50% discount. Old Man does not learn to do business from Zela.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vaўkalak

Although, it's all about money, most likely, it is simple wrapped in a beautiful wrapper, they say, you need to help.

This hat is ready to help, always comes out sideways.
The junta will not appreciate it anyway, but as soon as the burning in the fifth point passes, it will certainly shit under the door of the savior in double size. At the very least, Minsk had to set conditions for the delivery - Kiev's recognition of the results of the presidential elections in Belarus, which has not been done to this day.

[Letun]

Quote: Nyrobsky

At the very least, Minsk had to set conditions for the delivery - Kiev's recognition of the results of the presidential elections in Belarus, which has not been done to this day.

Or let them turn to Tikhanovskaya for help

[isv000]

Quote: Letun

Or let them turn to Tikhanovskaya for help

Everything was with the cutlet, I took off the greenery in a quiet way and - to the bottom ...

[Artyom1979]

Urgently turn on the light, otherwise it is not visible under which door to shit.

[isv000]

Quote: Artyom1979

Urgently turn on the light, otherwise it is not visible under which door to shit.

By mistake, as it were, the panamas do not inflate, they will flog then ...

[Alexander 3]

Ours need to be given emergency gas on the condition that they fill the Rada with gas. Then call Klitschko and ask him to smoke in the hall.

[Rex]

“There is one moment,” as in the joke about Chapaev. Emergency supplies are much more expensive than under a regular contract + they will also come up with a gasket along the chain ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Rex

Emergency supplies are much more expensive than under a regular contract + they will also come up with a gasket along the chain ...

From our hucksters it will become ... They will come up with ...

State speed !!! When we already there, NAVIRKHU, will think about the honor and dignity of the Motherland, and not just about bablos?!? As the drunken "guarantor" blurted out in the 90s (the earth is glassy for him): "Get rich!" Enriching ...

[Runoway]

When we already there, NAVIRKHU, will think about the honor and dignity of the Motherland, and not just about bablos?!?

This is who you expect from then ??? From those who in the 90s divided the country by privatizing, then the era of change and partition ended and the lads began to think about how to live on, the divided factories started working, the army was put in order so that the good that was obtained from the outside would not be taken away, but no one changed on the ground (Mr. Babylon , which made a splash last week, clearly demonstrates an example of people badly needed for the country)
Erdogan's tomatoes, lockdowns in the country and open, as well, unkillable resorts in Turkey, an amnesty for 300 thousand deported migrants.
The list is endless. They won't think and hope is not worth it

[Rex]

As if a factor of influence ... not to sell under a contract - to supply in an emergency. To the layman to the "female genital organ" why such a payment for housing and communal services. He hears / sees how they “fight”. But there are less and less food in the refrigerator. And here, one way or another, the understanding comes that someone to protect-enrich (in slums, with a broken infrastructure) is so-so an undertaking. The fight for the minds so to speak ...

[Alexey Kostyukov]

eggs turned gray a lot, and maybe bald ... unfortunately ...

[isv000]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Wait a bit - the pan-headed ones will ask for gas for "emergency" purposes. And, which is typical, our "emergency" will give.

In 2014-15, Genichesk requested gas from Crimea. Dali. Is free. Guess - did they say thank you?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Vaўkalak

Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

The pose was changed to kneeling

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Wah, wah, wah! How can that be? Where is the pride of the great Europeans? How can you ask for something from the accursed dictator with whom you quarreled to death?

[Seryoga64]

What pride is there. They have it only in words
Never encountered them?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

How did you not come across? Collided. Many times. And even today. I have been living in the Russian city of Novorossiya (temporarily - Ukraine) for 60 years. Normal people. Both Russians and Ukrainians. The same as in the Far East, where he worked, as in Russia. If you want to know more, read the articles that I published on VO.

[Finches]

To hell with them - there are mostly normal people suffer, but they need help not with megawatts, but "The artillerymen, Stalin gave the order! The artillerymen, the Fatherland is calling us! Of the many thousands of batteries For the tears of our mothers, For our Motherland - fire! Fire!" That is why Putin is still very far from Joseph Vissarionovich ...

[Rusticolus]

To hell with them - mostly normal people suffer there,

Khataskrayniks are no longer normal people. Where were they when they burned people in Odessa? So let them spend the winter in their hut somehow themselves.

[ammunition]

Quote: Rusticolus

Khataskrayniks are no longer normal people. Where were they when they burned people in Odessa?

Yes, there they were ... where we were ... when in October 1993 people were burned and killed in the White House and in the stadiums.

[TUNISIA]

All of Ukraine is solid khataskrayniki. And Bandera was there all my life, including the times of the USSR. My father studied in the early 80s at the Kiev school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Before graduation, he was offered to go to Ivano-Frankivsk. But smart people warned against this. Parents met Bandera in Kiev even then everywhere: in the market, in public transport ... I went to kindergarten then, and then, a Bandera educator, a girl of 25, while Ukrainian children slept in a quiet hour, they put me in a corner for 2 hours for the fact that I could not learn the poem "dnipro" in an unfamiliar language. I was 5 years old. Scum and filth.

[ammunition]

Quote: Finches

To hell with them - there are mostly normal people suffer, but they need help not with megawatts, but "Artillerymen,

Alas ... unfortunately ... we do not have the strength and political will to free Ukraine from external control. Or rather, from the occupation .. Ukraine is now .. in something worse than under the Gauleiter in 1943.
We ourselves then .. only hold on .. with difficulty .. but do not advance.

[alexmach]

Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

Well, sort of like a week already. And not only "dictatorial" but also "bloody Gebnev" will be.

And in the article something strange is written

The Belarusian side, which previously refused Ukraine to sign a large contract for the supply of electricity

When did Belarus refuse? Yes, neither Belarus nor Russia refused to supply electricity. Moreover, there is something to supply and options not to supply especially, and as far as I understand, Ukraine is still in a single energy system with Russia and Belarus.

[Dart2027]

Quote: alexmach

Yes, neither Belarus nor Russia refused to supply electricity.

Since November 1, deliveries have stopped.
https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/fa5a146a

[alexmach]

This is some kind of misinformation from the Ukrainian maydanutyh for internal use. There will be supplies, for without them the scribe will come right now.

There will be no electricity imports from the Russian Federation from November 1, Inter RAO announced an auction for the sale of electricity on October 20, but on October 21 the corresponding auction was canceled. Also, from November 1, there will be no electricity imports from Belarus, the corresponding auctions for the sale of electricity have been canceled.

Well, that is, formally, yes, it will not be from November 1, it will be from the third. And with the cancellation of auctions there is something interesting - they were canceled on the initiative of the Ukrainian side, there is just some kind of technical overlap ... Well, they canceled then - they will hold it this week.

[TUNISIA]

It is a pity if there are supplies. This reptile should have been strangled 7 years ago.

[Dart2027]

Quote: TUNISIA

This reptile should have been strangled 7 years ago

The question is what to do with her corpse.

[TUNISIA]

Dig behind the bath.

[alexmach]

The question is what to do with her corpse.

It would be ideal to disassemble it into several parts. The only question is where to draw the lines.

[Dart2027]

Quote: alexmach

The only question is where to draw the lines.

And this issue cannot be easily resolved.

[isv000]

Quote: alexmach

It would be ideal to disassemble it into several parts. The only question is where to draw the lines.

Why would it be a substitute for giving to anyone what our ancestors had collected for centuries ?! Yes, you will have to invest in a major overhaul, yes, you will have to reeducate those who are difficult to educate, this is the planid of Russia, helping the poor and sire ...

[alexmach]

will have to reeducate difficult

What for?
Reeducate? West? Suma gone? Why reeducate outspoken enemies? There adequate people live only in Transcarpathia. The border along the Dnieper + Odessa with Nikolaev must be definitely taken away. Everything else, including Kiev, should be sent on an independent voyage for 20 years, and one more border along the Zbruch, all that is trapped let the Poles take if they want.

[alexmach]

Although, maybe not everything will be so smooth - I reread the news, it turns out that Ukrainian companies bought up capacities for supplies from Belarus and Russia. Those who covered these events also reported that both Russia and Belarus agree to deliveries. Although on the basis of what they made such a conclusion, I do not know. Here they seem to write that Belarus promised them only a small emergency support.

And without this, there will be rolling blackouts, because they have very, very bad energy resources. Got fun and add bicotted.

[Russian jacket]

Deliveries are coming. From 480 MW to 980. Depending on the time of day, the last 4 months…. Data from the WECM website. Regardless of the rulings are happy, and the type of our refusal. So there is no hope for the determination of our Russian authorities.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Deliveries are coming. From 480 MW to 980. Depending on the time of day, the last 4 months…. Data from the WECM website. Regardless of the rulings are happy, and the type of our refusal. So there is no hope for the determination of our Russian authorities.

Now Belarus will complete the construction of the nuclear power plant, and where do you think it will sell electricity? Poland and the Baltic states have already announced that they will not buy

[alexmach]

Poland and the Baltics have already announced that they will not buy

Well, to declare that this is one thing, it is of course important. But both in Poland and in the Baltics there is now a shortage of generation, and against the background of a pan-European deficit, they will not go anywhere. Moreover, Poland seems to be separate there, and the same Baltic states are in the same energy system with Russia and Belarus :). They wanted to turn off for a long time, but it's not a fact that they will decide on this at all in the current situation.

As for the supplies - yesterday there were emergency supplies, to maintain the pants, at emergency prices, but according to reports, negotiations are underway about regular supplies with Belarus and Russia, and it is likely that they will agree there and there.

[mitroha]

Quote: Vaўkalak

They are not yelling will not buy "dictatorial" electricity! Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

And how many here shouted that we do not answer, only concerns. Oh well...

[Russian jacket]

Deliveries are coming. Above I wrote a post with dimensions. Data from the WECM website. So they blatantly lie to us about the beginning of the response to Ukrainian lawlessness.

[mitroha]

Do not attach a link to the "wholesale electricity market" site, otherwise the Internet does not know about it

[Russian jacket]

Service site. There is no Internet access.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vaўkalak

They are not yelling will not buy "dictatorial" electricity!

shitty not what they asked, but what they will be given

[Russian jacket]

They have been giving it for a long time. It remains only to increase. Above, I wrote about the sizes.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Vaўkalak

They are not yelling will not buy "dictatorial" electricity! Shaw happened, changed your shoes again?

It is not they, this is the "friend of Russia", the multi-vector Lukashenko changed his shoes. Once again !!!

[Asad]

And what should he do with the capacity of the new nuclear power plant?

[Maz]

One word - Sumerians jumped!

[TermNachTer]

Tse klyata Moskalska zrada and nonsense))) reactors at Bandera NPP have already been transferred to Carpathian dung))))

[Vlad Pervovich]

moreover, the other day dad was called a "self-proclaimed" president, read the Pretender

[evgen1221]

If only the Belarusians could roll out the answer, send all those who out of 404 shit with Belarus in a sealed garbage truck, then we will send emergency help.

[Vadim Zhivov]

That's it ... Old Man melted ... Not for a long time he was enough ...

[Puler]

Old Man is not ... and far away ... but the Ukrainians pissed him off a lot, I think he will send them a reply ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Puler

Old Man is not ... and far away ... but the Ukrainians pissed him off a lot, I think he will send them a reply ...

Instead of 220 volts, it will send 380.

[210ox]

To be honest, all this is not worth a damn. What is 500MW?. XNUMX hours pants to support. It's another matter if they agree on a long-term basis.

[Oleg1263]

This is not about buying kW / h. And about the power of the source. BUT it is very little even to maintain the pants. This is the consumption of a small town of 30-50 thousand people. A drop in the bucket for such a territory.

[210ox]

I agree very little. But in the article about the supply, not the connection of the installed power source. This is somewhere in the peak period to support, and then a little bit.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: oleg1263

This is not about buying kW / h. And about the power of the source. BUT it is very little even to maintain the pants. This is the consumption of a small town of 30-50 thousand people. A drop in the bucket for such a territory.

Ukraine has nuclear power generation, there is a problem with fast power regulation. Typically, thermal power plants and hydroelectric power plants perform this function. Because there is little coal from the CHPP there can be problems. Therefore, they can lose not only generation at the CHPP (due to the lack of coal), but also get an emergency stop at the NPP power units and a total shutdown at the power system (not to be confused with planned blackouts).

The requested capacity of Belarus is 500 MW, Slovakia is 100 MW, which corresponds somewhere to the electrical capacity of one NPP power unit. This is not much, but to reverse the power in addition to its own hydroelectric power plants, it may be sufficient to keep the power system from completely collapsing.

For uninterrupted round-the-clock power supply, most likely this will not be enough, you will have to do scheduled outages.

Well, or buy gas and electricity from Russia, but the water supply will not allow them.

[maksbazhin]

Thanks. It is because of such commentators that I read VO.

[isv000]

Quote: Puler

Old Man is not ... and far away ... but the Ukrainians pissed him off a lot, I think he will send them a reply ...

It remains to wait when the main negotiator from Russia - Grandfather Frost - comes with him, as a rule, everyone compromises ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Old Man is glad to live a penny!
Nothing personal just business.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Duck! And you, probably, batskin's dream book are reading? Is it too loud a statement?
For real money, you can see more rosy dreams.

[alexmach]

Why not? Batka's just a new power plant will come in handy. Is it okay that Russia is also going to supply electricity there, albeit in smaller volumes?

PS: yes, and they refused to sell coal at all, not out of malice, but simply because it is much more profitable to sell it to Europe and to China now - they rake out all the surplus they can for a good price, plus they themselves need to pass the heating season.

[Alexander Vanichev]

China's rejection of Australia's coal came sideways.

[alexmach]

I think they can show flexibility and "change their shoes in a jump" a few more times. Look at the Poles at least :)

[Polite Moose]

Quote: VadimLives

That's it ... Old Man melted ... Not for a long time he was enough ...

I wouldn’t feel sorry for him. After all, these tomorrow will say that Old Man has made a fortune on someone else's misfortune. Couldn't free email. give energy, bastard.
Damn, well, I can't understand this, well, there is a chance to stifle all this anti-Russian formation while energy prices in the stratosphere and winter are ahead. So far, p-himself and euro-himself are not up to the problems of Independent. No b - leave a crack for breathing.

[Alexander Vanichev]

I wonder what Ukrainian compressors are powered for pumping Gazprom's gas to Europe?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Alexander Vanichev

I wonder what Ukrainian compressors are powered for pumping Gazprom's gas to Europe?

According to the mind, they should work on the pumped gas. But who are they - the great ukrov will disassemble ...

[TUNISIA]

There, deliveries lasted only 6 hours. And that's all. The main thing is not to melt away and really don't start supporting this scum again.

[Russian jacket]

He followed in our footsteps. On the WEEM website, it can be seen that the flows to Ukraine have been going steadily from us for the last 4 months.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

If only the author of the note would tell us, is this energy "supplied" for money or for free? And for normal money or for a minuscule amount? Otherwise, it is difficult for readers to draw their conclusions from the information provided. Either laugh at the dad, or rejoice for him?

[Anarchist]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

If only the author of the note would tell us, is this energy "supplied" for money or for nothing?

In principle, I said.

The contract is urgent. It was signed today at 15:00 Moscow time.

It is unlikely that such an agreement does not contain a payment clause.

[nnm]

Why laugh? In Belarus, I think, there is RSV, at these prices, +/- overflows + VAT and will be sold. Although ... for the sale of Ukraine there will be another crossroads (more precisely, it will not be) and Belarus will enter the price with all its heart. In Europe, Ukraine will still not be able to buy.

[SKVichyakow]

The age state of Ukraine is great. Ask for emergency help from your patrons, your western neighbors. Why ask for help where it will cost you cheaply, and not from your "any friends", but where it will not cost you cheaply, and you know that. But turn on the fool, and ask your enemies, according to your own terminology, I remember here and I don’t remember anything here. You do not remember your debts, but you think that everyone owes you.

[alexey alexeyev_4]

Beggars ... not an ounce of pride

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_4

Beggars ... not an ounce of pride

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_4

Not an ounce of pride

when it was there pride, they lay down on everyone - Turks, Pshek, Muscovites, Germans and with the same success betrayed

[Xlor]

Now the most convenient moment has come for Old Man to pinch the tail of the horses ...

[tralflot1832]

In 30 minutes, the delivery will end, 500 megawatts is to maintain an operating frequency of 50 hertz. There is an energy security specialists on the website that it was. And then I only have shipboard experience, where we stopped everything we could, but usually it was a refinery.

[nnm]

Colleague, this is so the power, not the amount of energy. To put it quite simply, they buy energy produced by generation sources with a capacity of 500 megawatts.

[tralflot1832]

Thanks, I understand! And what kind of grief they have, does it really take so long for steam boilers for a turbine generator to be brought up to operating power.

[nnm]

No. This is not the main problem. I will try to explain schematically. NPPs are brought to one, constant generation power. And the day / night consumption correlates as 30/70%, therefore, during the periods of peak consumption, the lack of generation capacity of the NPP must be covered from other sources of generation. There is no coal for this at the TPP in Ukraine. And the only way out is to buy the electricity itself.
My forecast for the situation: when the heat and power plant will develop all the coal and Ukraine will not be able to maneuver power at all, Belarus will simply cut off the supply of electricity and Ukraine has every chance to go into rolling blackouts (not to be confused with blackout).

[tralflot1832]

Blackout is enchanting in the states. In Murmansk, the year is probably 199Z, February, lightning struck the central electrical substation (February is the month, from where the lightning came from, but the thunder was out and everything went out. In the morning all of Murmansk on foot to work who could get there. The buses did not come out either, about the full power accessories (trolleybuses), you can not say. It was a bit like 1942, the darkness is hellish. Fortunately, the steamers in the port were illuminated, on their diesels. Probably it was blackout (classic).

[nnm]

This is not blackout. This is a rolling shutdown. Blackout is the way it was recently in Canada. This is when there is no single system and the load on one substation disables the entire system. In the USSR, Ukraine, etc., the successor of GOELRO - UES operates and if it takes out the substation from one side, then along the remaining branch, electricity will go from the other entrance.
Then, in a similar situation, a huge part of Canada ended up without electricity at all, and we only have a section cut off from the UES. And you gave an example when there was only one branch and ODEs were not able to switch supplies.

[tralflot1832]

For humor, in 96, Kolenergo turned off the Northern Fleet base Severomorsk for debts and garrisons too. An hour passes, and a helicopter with marines lands on the square in front of Kolenergo's office (the site is very limited, on one side a building, on the other side a monument to Kirov), who enter the building and urge the management of Kolenergo to attend the "banquet" of the commander of the Northern Fleet. He very flamboyantly explained to them what would happen to them after the next shutdown. There were no more blackouts.

[nnm]

Yes, in those years there was general chaos. Then, to avoid this, they created "oboronergosbyt" (the office has no words, how muddy it is), but now no one can turn off the HF.

[tralflot1832]

The layer for this is created, like at the beginning for good intentions, and then ...

[tralflot1832]

Yes, I am not in the subject, it seems that only the right-bank Murmansk turned off, there was light on the left bank.

[nnm]

Colleague, it depends on the power supply scheme. If there was a common TP, both banks would be cut down, and so only one. But you have the final branch of the UES. If, conventionally, a transformer were cut down in the Tambov region one line at a time, then, uh, they would be allowed to go along the line of the neighboring region in a couple of minutes. This is the essence of the EEC

[tralflot1832]

The left-bank part could be fed to Tulomskaya, Verkhne Tulomskaya hydroelectric power plants and cascades of hydroelectric power stations on the Finnish border. After all, we smelted nickel at that time, Pechenga nickel (though now it is stopped) And in the north, Serebryanskaya HPP worked for Murmansk and Severomorsk. Probably all the same a problem in the central power substation. Everything was fine with the production of electricity on the Kola Peninsula. home, but still everywhere the light is on in the evening, a habit.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nnm

during periods of peak consumption, the lack of generation capacity of the NPP must be covered from other sources of generation. There is no coal for this at the TPP in Ukraine. And the only way out is to buy the electricity itself.

There is also an emergency reservation for industrial enterprises. If it does not help, then only rolling shutdowns remain. And this, as a rule, will hook the residential sector. We can then the Ukrainian people take up the pitchfork.

[nnm]

There is no such thing, colleague. An emergency reservation is a power supply scheme from two lines (roughly speaking). If you have burned out one TP, then at least make a reservation, but physically it is impossible to deliver. Therefore, lines from 2 suppliers are brought up to special objects. And if one "falls", the second turns on. (This is me in general).
And so, yes, when there is no power maneuver, then no UES will save - there will simply be nowhere to take electricity.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nnm

lines from 2 suppliers are brought to special objects.

This is called ATS (automatic transfer of reserve). And emergency reservation is an individually calculated minimum possible power consumed by the enterprise, which is enough only to maintain the continuity of the technical process, the serviceability of equipment, etc. When the company is put on an emergency reservation, then all secondary consumers of e-mail. energy, up to outdoor lighting and secondary industries, are temporarily turned off and the responsible persons strictly monitor that the power consumption does not exceed this very value of emergency armor. Otherwise, a big fine. (Well, you know )

[nnm]

Colleague, this is when there is a shortage of ee (m), and not when the line "falls".
In fact, there are categories of energy consumption, and the highest category is precisely the duplication of input lines. This applies to military and critical facilities.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nnm

and the highest category is precisely the duplication of input lines

It would be more correct to call it "Special category of power supply". So for her, in general, the presence of a UPS is required.
PS I mean the categories adopted in the Russian Federation.

[nnm]

There is no such thing. There is a "first category", according to which consumers from several suppliers are recorded
For example, there is such "object 100", it is recorded from as many as 4 suppliers ee.
UPS is a consumer issue and it has nothing to do with the power supply system

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nnm

There is no such thing. There is a "first category"

There is. A special category stands out from the first. It implies full uninterrupted supply of email. energy per object, i.e. presence of voltage even in the interval of the ATS operation. And the first category implies, or rather, allows a short-term interruption of power supply for the duration of the automatic transfer switch. But this is all inspired by the term "highest category" and takes our conversation away from the topic of the article. I believe that not everyone is interested in these subtleties of ours.

[tralflot1832]

We have two lines for each object. Olympics.

[nnm]

Quite right. Separate strategic objects are also recorded. Now the Universiade is underway according to the same standards.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nnm

And so, yes, when there is no power maneuver, then no UES will save - there will simply be nowhere to take electricity.

If ukroenergetiki did not go to emergency booking (a very unpopular measure among the population), and even Old Man was persuaded to "pump up" the power system a little, then not everything is so bad with them. Although, all the charm of winter is yet to come. And if the system consumes more than it generates and / or infuses power from the outside, then the substations will start extinguishing or burning (as luck would have it) like New Year's lights. Here I completely agree with you that without maneuvering the power system kirdyk (a matter of time).
PS The minus is not mine.

[210ox]

From the cold state of 6-8 hours, while they warm up, they will twist the turbine generator through the barring device for now and then. There is a whole program there.

[tralflot1832]

This is called before saving. Prospective dialogue. Ze, Vetrenko: How do you hold on there. Yes, we hold on, jump and jump. In 1100. Vetrenko Ze: We jump and jump, but the frequency does not rise, but falls. In half an hour: Vetrenko, me that with Lukashenka, unconventional sex. Vetrenko Ze: I'll have to, brush your teeth, practice on a ball, if you don't want to wake up tomorrow on a pitchfork. not LGBTeshnik, once does not count, the most important thing is not to like it.

[Rusticolus]

For example, Moscow consumes about 10000-12000 MW. 500 .. This is real only so that the power system does not collapse right now. They will not find energy until tomorrow, with any outages it will still be like a dead poultice.

[nnm]

Moscow's lateral consumption is about 8 MW, but for Ukraine, this purchase is more likely for capacity maneuvering, and not for consumption. And mind you, winter has not begun yet ...
On the other hand, the peak power load for the whole of Kazakhstan is 12 MW

[Rusticolus]

Well, maybe I'm not entirely accurate, but mind you we are talking about a figure in the region of 10 GW. And neither how, not about some miserable five hundred MW. Even if this is a power maneuver, and how will they maneuver nuclear power plants tomorrow? Second Chernoble?

[nnm]

Colleague, it's not scary (I'm talking about accuracy). If you are interested, then I described the situation a little higher in the answer to one of our colleagues.
It's just that now Ukraine still has the ability to maneuver its capacity, but when the coal at the CHP plant runs out ... then the most interesting will begin.

[Rusticolus]

You're right. If they do not find the generation before tomorrow, the day after tomorrow (suddenly someone else will throw them), then they blackout, i.e. the collapse of the power system is the next thing that awaits them in the very near future. Or, if they succeed, then it remains for them to encapsulate the regions with their own generation from others. By the way, "my hut on the edge" is the best fit here.

[nnm]

And in this they have a problem, the frequency in the EU and in our systems is different. Therefore, they cannot buy in the west.

[Rusticolus]

And not to buy in the EU for technical reasons, and if it came to the point that there is already nothing to maneuver ... Oh, what awaits them. You can't get a coal in a day, even if they suddenly find it somewhere.

[tralflot1832]

Excuse me, I will wedge into your conversation professionals, and what is wrong in the EU power lines, why they are not suitable. It seems that in Europe there is one frequency of 50 hertz.

[Rusticolus]

It would be so simple, the Balts would not have delayed so much with the transition to the EU energy system. But this requires huge investments. And for the sake of Baltic Russophobia, the European Union does not want to pay this money out of its own pocket. Although they had plenty of time for this.

[tralflot1832]

And as the Slovaks are now throwing in 100 megawatts of power, I understand that this is a poultice for the dead. Tomorrow we are expecting rolling blackouts or stoppages of energy-intensive production.

[Rusticolus]

And how the Slovaks are now throwing up 100 megawatts of power,

It's not that simple. Slovaks can only throw in the Transcarpathian, and partly Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. This, of course, can free up coal for other regions, but the Slovaks are not technically able to help the rest of Ukraine directly. But they may well support this power system. But this is far from the whole of Ukraine. Maybe this is why Europe has invested in these regions in advance, hoping that sooner or later, they will move from Ukraine to European countries.
By the way, this situation can add more fun to this circus. When the Westerners will panuvat with the light, and the rest will burn the dung.

[Rex]

Physically, there is no power transmission line and TP. Since the time of the union, nothing has been done in this regard.

[Oleg1263]

Sorry, a small amendment "at the beginning of 2021, 41 power plants with a total capacity of 10 MW were in operation on the territory of Moscow"
And this is only "on the territory"

[nnm]

Colleague, do not forget that we have the UES and the supply of Moscow is carried out not only at the expense of local sources of generation.

[Oleg1263]

Let's take a small house with 150 apartments, its consumption will be (according to the most conservative estimates) 150 kW. This is 0.15 MW. 8.6 MW. divided by 0.15 will be 57 apartment buildings. If we assume that 2 people live in each apartment (on average), then we get (57x 150 = 8550 apartments) 8550x2 = 17700 inhabitants. And this is without enterprises, housing and communal services and other things.

[Rusticolus]

Oleg, you are mistaken in the values. It was about 8.6 GW, which is 1000 times more than 8.6 MW. Multiply your 17700 * 1000 and you get about 18 million population. This is approximately how it is in Moscow, taking into account the enterprises. Housing and communal services and other social and cultural life back and forth.

[Oleg1263]

While the answer was drawing - you corrected the numbers!

[nnm]

I try so hard not to lie. I wrote it, and then noticed that I divided it by 1000 in my mind, but not in the commentary

[Rusticolus]

I was mistaken only by an order of magnitude, instead of 500 I wrote 50. but yes, my cant is.

[Rusticolus]

But with regards to the topic of conversation, even if you give them 5GW, it is still about nothing. Unless they have time to come up with something very urgently ... But I can't imagine what. Again, to give such power urgently and for a short time, well, let's say Belarus can probably due to, again, maneuver with its own resources, but again for a short time. Russia can be 10 times more. But the question is why? And in honor of what? The rules of decency were respected, thrown once so that they would not die right here. And then why should you suddenly feed them?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rusticolus

even if you give them 5GW, it is still about nothing. Unless they have time to come up with something very urgently ... But I can't imagine what.

As an option - to unleash large-scale databases in the Donbass, and ideally also to incite Russia into them. And this can be attributed to the emerging EE deficit or blackout.

[Rusticolus]

As an option - to unleash large-scale databases in Donbass

I'm afraid it won't help. Combat does not generate energy by itself. Europe, with all its will, purely for technical reasons, will not be able to help them in the near future. And with the collapse of the energy system, when half of the country sits without electricity, the logistics of warheads will be sharply disrupted. It is difficult to maintain a database when there is no need to bring not only ammunition, but also regular food. And hungry ... Ukrovoyaks will definitely not fight.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rusticolus

I'm afraid it won't help. Combat does not generate energy by itself.

This is undeniable. I suggested that such a thing could be invented in the short term, when it was not possible to agree with the "aggressor", the market price for kosher European energy resources is too tough, from day to day there will be CHP plants and there will be a big oop. Alarming reports from the front are a good excuse for torches and firewood with dung.

[Rusticolus]

Alarming reports from the front are a good excuse for torches and firewood with dung.

Perhaps you do not really understand the seriousness of the situation. Bulletins from the front corny may not reach the addressee due to the inoperative zombie box. And people, in the absence of an info phone ... Suddenly suddenly start to think for themselves, and not always what the authorities want.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rusticolus

Perhaps you do not really understand the seriousness of the situation.

I am not stating anything specifically, I just expressed a hypothesis about possible motives for Nezalezhnaya's actions and tried to answer your question

Quote: Rusticolus

why? And in honor of what? The rules of decency were observed, thrown once so that they would not die right here. And then why should you suddenly feed them?

[Oleg1263]

Look at the arrows for the answers. This is what I answered to the respected nnm. It was just that at first there was a figure of 8.6 MW.
I will delete my answers so that there are no questions.)

[Rusticolus]

I apologize from the phone, I have all the arrows in a bunch. You can't understand without quotes.
I myself do not really pay attention to the values. Here, as if by itself, it is clear what the speech is about, there is too much difference. I thought you had time to notice my mistake by an order of magnitude. It can be more confusing.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rusticolus

I'm sorry from the phone

Don't break your heart over this. This is from the category "three nuts (500 MW for Nezalezhnaya) - is this a bunch or not a bunch?" The question is more important: will we push it or not? Of course, it is a pity for the common people, but except for him no one will stop all this g-shit going on there. With a positive end result, of course.

[Rusticolus]

The question is more important: will we push it or not?

I think we'll find out in the next few days. Colleague nnm correctly noted, if they do not have the capacity to maneuver, this is already a very serious situation, one might say critical. And as he noticed, winter has not yet begun. Here, after all, what is another problem, NPPs cannot technically maneuver. Ukraine needs coal in any case. Well, either this "emergency aid" should turn into a stable source. The Ukrainian authorities are now in a terrible time trouble.

[Rex]

Nuclear power plants are the basic generation (like hydroelectric power plants). But shunting power without fuel, coal - a little, gas - expensive, fuel oil - stupidly not.

[Avior]

HPP - covers peaks, shunting power.
Thermal power plants, too, are not all able to operate in half-peak mode.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rusticolus

Here, after all, what is another problem, NPPs cannot technically maneuver.

Well, it's not that they can't at all ... In 1986 they "maneuvered". I hope they won't repeat it. Or we, together with Europe, will not allow it.

[210ox]

8600MW at peak loads in Moscow

[Russian jacket]

Most likely, a powerful block has disconnected, this is if the request was really abnormal. Or an accident on the networks, which led to the separation of the system. If for a day x-2,3,4, then there are a lot of options. From planned shutdowns of power plants to imbalance in the market due to the inclusion of a powerful consumer.

[Luminman]

You can exchange electricity for Tikhanovskaya

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yeah, you can! Here are just Sveta-cutlet, Kazich, not in Kiev. Although, you can arrange a complex exchange, triple, quadruple. Awl for soap, elderberry for uncle.

[210ox]

She will not pull that much.

[Prisoner]

Arrogant, shameless and ready to drop to their knees when they press. Unlucky neighbors with power. They swagger like a slave in a commander's chair, but they steal. But only

[sergo1914]

As far as I understand, Zelensky just signed up for the Belarus national KVN team?

[BISMARCK94]

Ukraine every winter, since 2014, predict a cold and inevitable death) now the cold will come and will give contracts for resources to maintain statehood, no more.
As they say - "button accordion"))

[beeper]

Semyonchenko and his gang "heroiiv ATO" to account for the blockade of coal from Donbass!
Zeltsa with a gang of "servants of the enemies of the people" to account for the ruined good-neighborly relations with Russia and Belarus!

[Observer2014]

Bam! Pennies don't stink, so mow the loot You yourself understand that with a machine gun in a helicopter it was still that nonsense But it’s a pittance to love us!

[nnm]

Interestingly, colleague, what will you write when we will start selling them uh (m)?

[Observer2014]

Interestingly, colleague, what will you write when we will start selling them uh (m)?

What did you write now? I don't even care what you write later ...

[nnm]

Well, you don't give a damn about your big mind. I wonder why you are commenting on a highly specialized issue, since you don't even know what ee (m) means - electrical energy (power)? I think it's a waste of time to explain to you the difference between one and the other.
And I don’t understand the reasons for your rudeness, dear colleague.

[Observer2014]

Well, you don't give a damn about your big mind. I wonder why you are commenting on a highly specialized issue, since you don't even know what ee (m) means - electrical energy (power)?

How is the current measured?

[O. Bender]

This is in one place with the palm of your hand, this will be enough for 10 ... 15 days During this time they hope to beg for coal, perhaps even from Russia. Nobody will give gas, and they will not sell it. They look at Moldova. What if it gives a ride? ...

[valera75]

Already you bliiin. Only November 2 is on the nose (the third autumn month) and the Ukrainians are already begging for megawatts at the daddy. And what will happen in December-February? In general, write - it's gone. Winter that pancake has not even begun, in 28 days it will begin, and you are already boiling.

[rocket757]

So the Kukuevskys call the elected president of Belarus self-proclaimed!
Now they should send messengers to Svetka cutlets, ask this and that ...
There was, more recently, a survey they had there about e-mail. energy and gas ... there are quite a few of those who believe that they have their own heaps, why 'suddenly, they will not have enough "partners" to help ...
How can such people be brought down to earth?
And most importantly ... our politicians and leadership will stop thinking and drawing lines that I ignore ... they will clearly define themselves, declare and act accordingly. Everything must be clear ... and carried out not in words, but in deeds.

[Simfy]

It is a pity for people, especially those who survived the 90s ... poverty, hundreds of thousands of broken destinies vs several hundred "oligarchs" type "who rose on the Maidan" .... and the "lost" (of course obscene hunting) country, territory, people, a net loss (thanks Bor), in geopolitics (... like Georgia, like Asia, like Moldova ... except the Baltic states, let them feed them themselves.)

P. S. Winter is coming (

[Voenoboz]

Ukraine has fallen into the pit of the West, and how to break out of these clutches only through suffering and loss.

[Simfy]

And the exit and all this "fifth point" ... War (((
Involve Russia, complete the task of the State Department (
Get humanitarian aid, loans ... and dump to live, to the patrons (

[zwlad]

Why didn't they ask the Poles?
Or Brussels?

[svoit]

Not quite sure what 500MW means? Can anyone explain?

[Avior]

This means that at the time of the half-peak load surge on the power system, for some reason in Ukraine, they did not have time to raise the capacity at the power units. This is a purely technical issue and such a flow of energy from one power system to another can be used mutually if the power systems are synchronized. Indirect reasons for this are known - when they divided the unified energy system of the USSR, half-peak blocks of thermal stations in the European part, capable of relatively quickly increasing the generated power (conventional thermal or nuclear cannot quickly change the generated power due to thermal imbalances in the equipment), remained in Belarus. Therefore, Ukraine has an agreement on mutual assistance in such cases with Belarus, the unified systems are synchronized. This has nothing to do with politics, or a shortage of electricity in general, or coal reserves, it is a purely technical problem with the rate at which the unit is gaining capacity. Each operator of the power unit has an album with power-up schedules; the set-up speed is limited, as it can lead pipes. the rate of power gain with a conventional heat block can be hours.
The most acute load peaks are covered by hydroelectric generators, they have a very short load change time, but they are not enough for half-peaks.

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

Therefore, Ukraine has an agreement on mutual assistance in such cases with Belarus, the unified systems are synchronized.

With Moldova too

[Avior]

Yes, with Moldova too, you are right.
I don’t know why they didn’t take power from Moldova either. Maybe the moment was not suitable and in Moldova the peak of consumption also dropped, and the scale of the energy system in Moldova is noticeably smaller than in Ukraine.
There is, by the way, synchronization with Russia, but, as far as I know, there is no agreement.

[Liam]

Due to the gas crisis. In October, Moldova received only 60% of the required gas and the Kuchurgangan CHPP operated only half of its capacity. Ukraine covered the missing electricity to Moldova all month. Gas began to flow in the required quantities only from November 1, but the CHP plant had not yet reached full capacity. . With "technical" gas to maintain the necessary pressure in the system, Ukraine also helped with Romania

[tarakan]

Interestingly, and if you ask "emergency" to give water to the Crimea, how will they get out?

[Evil troll]

And under the Yanyka oath, Ukraine even bargained for capacities.

[dub0vitsky]

If you want to live, you will not be so upset. But father shouldn't have given more than a kilowatt hour. It would be enough to publish in print an apology for the dirty tricks that these Belarusians have ...

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: svoit

Not quite sure what 500MW means? Can anyone explain?

You, brother, had to study according to the USE system, then you would not ask such clever questions.

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: zwlad

Why didn't they ask the Poles?
Or Brussels?

At the godfather. He would have promised to help bring them by tankers.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Rubi0

Obviously, in the money, the usual deliveries are 1.7, and such emergency supplies are already at 5 per kilowatt

And maybe there will be a request for an emergency delivery on credit ...

[Avior]

Rather, with the return of electricity. Overflows can go in both directions.

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

Rather, with the return of electricity

That's right.When the systems are synchronized back to back, there are
not purchases for money. But "on debt."

[Sands Careers General]

They threw the bone to the dog so that it would not die of hunger.
Which is to be expected.

[Mavrikiy]

Against this background, it became known about Kiev's request for so-called emergency assistance for the supply of electricity from Slovakia.

And now the landing net, on my knees for coal to the LDNR ...

[victor_47]

Providing assistance to Ukraine with its current government is the same as helping Nazi Germany during the war. An ally of Russia should not do this either ...

[Esaul]

"Give as much as you can, otherwise you want to eat so much that there is nowhere to spend the night."

[svoit]

Quote: Avior

this is a purely technical problem with the rate of power gain by the block

In this case, one unit operates at each CHPP, and they have already gained capacity, or, more precisely, they did not reduce it and simply cannot do it anymore. There is little coal left, well, perhaps to increase production, but this is unlikely, all that remains is to reduce consumption, but this is possible

[Nadrub]

As there is in the joke….
Let the neighbor eat it in an emergency, otherwise there is nothing to shit under the door :)

[GAndr]

I don’t understand why they asked for it in Belarus, and not from their owners? Disorder ...

[Alex Justice]

Time to reactivate the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.

[singless]

parents need to be respected

[Fitter]

Lukashenka shouldn't have done it. They shit on us, and we forgive them. This is wrong.

[alystan]

Khokhlostan has actually declared Belarus and Russia to be his enemies, and how do you order to understand this urgent aid (even from the Republic of Bashkortostan, at least from the Russian Federation) to your enemy? We criticize the Rothschilds (or anyone else there) for their financing of the 3rd Reich, and how are we different from them? They "helped" with money, but did our 5th columns financially?

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: alexmach

Although, maybe not everything will be so smooth - I reread the news, it turns out that Ukrainian companies bought up capacities for supplies from Belarus and Russia. Those who covered these events also reported that both Russia and Belarus agree to deliveries. Although on the basis of what they made such a conclusion, I do not know. Here they seem to write that Belarus promised them only a small emergency support.

And without this, there will be rolling blackouts, because they have very, very bad energy resources. # DIV / 0! Have been bicotted.

and then, really ... now, at least, with a black sheep ... otherwise you will have to give it for free again ...