The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries

Do we understand today the depth of the contradictions between the so-called Western civilization and Russia, between the traditions "there" and ours? Today one can often hear the voiced idea that Russia is a de facto part of Western civilization. We wear the same costumes, often listen to the same music, and travel in the same cars. But no. For the West, Russia was alien and remains so, although it would seem that we are already "flesh of flesh ..."

To answer questions about the rejection of Russia as part of the collective West, one can look at history... Even when our country was headed by monarchs who had direct family ties with European monarchs, and then Russia was presented as some kind of terrible place, which, by definition, cannot be united with Europe. Even when world-class universities were created in Russia, our country “there” was considered not far off. Uneven.

In the letters of the European kings already 400-500 years ago, a "code" is spelled out, which Europe actually observes today - "Anyone, but not Russia." Panic fear interspersed with ostentatious disgust is one of the pillars of Western attitudes toward Russia.

Nikita Mikhalkov talks about this in his "Besogon", noting that centuries pass, but the situation does not actually change. He also notes the fact that today and within Russia there are enough people who treat their own country with ostentatious disdain.

Comments

[Svarog]

Personally, I am purple on the opinion of the West .. I think that this opinion is treasured by the United Russia people and all those who bought real estate there .. and money with children who have there. I believe that it is unacceptable to look around, and even more so to adapt to someone ... for a self-respecting state ... Russia has given the world no less scientific discoveries, culture ... and other values ​​of civilization ... and indeed ... recently saved this civilization .. the truth is not Russia specifically, but the USSR.
And therefore ... you need to look not around ... but in yourself ... you need to concentrate on your own development and on what hinders it ... The only problem is that Westerners rule the Russian Federation ... and as long as there are no patriots and statesmen in power ..we are doomed.

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

I believe that looking around, and even more so adjusting to someone, is unacceptable ... for a self-respecting state ... Russia has given the world no less scientific discoveries, culture ... and other values ​​of civilization ...

Without any doubt. But here's the weird thing. Many of our people copy, and unconsciously, both the Western way of life and precisely Western values. I emphasize - unconsciously. They verbally abuse the "amerikosov", but they themselves behave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY DO. Now I am just working on material on this topic using the example of a book by an American Jewish woman living in France. She compares all the time American culture, French, elements of Jewish and ... surprisingly, our people copy the bad American, but the good that we have, and the French (!!!), are discarded. A real phenomenon. But it is.

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

A real phenomenon. But it is.

Of course there is ... and it will be until we start creating ourselves. Exactly to create .. The West wins over with an interesting product in a beautiful package. This applies to literally all areas. That we can't do this? That we can't make a sandwich and serve it beautifully? Or create a really nice car? We can do everything .. The main thing is to change - managers. Our specificity is that it is not the most intelligent, talented, gifted people who make their way to the top ... but the most cynical, arrogant and thieving. The system is like that ... and it needs to be changed.
A small example from life. For a long time he worked in the largest American corporation. In the 2000s .. the commercial director there was an Indian .. the general American. And at that time, it was the best place to work in all my 25 years of work. I will not go into details for a long time .. but in 2005 the leadership in the Russian Federation changed and came to the place of the general-Pole, and our compatriot took the place of the commercial .. and away we go .. Blat, nepotism .. clannishness .. well, as a result, data falsification , theft ... and a lot of related problems that negatively affected the results ..
Several defining conclusions can be drawn from this:
-The fish rots from the head ..
-Corruption, nepotism decompose any, even the healthiest and strongest organism, kills creativity, creativity .. well, the organism itself.

[Andrey Moskvin]

So it turns out that the Slavs are to blame?

[Svarog]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

So it turns out that the Slavs are to blame?

No, the fault is the system that allows people with a low level of spiritual development or mentality to manage. There are certain tests that can indicate this .. thereby preventing the entry of such people .. But in conditions of total corruption and theft, no one needs such a test .. because you need your own .. the system of "alien" will spit it out .. So the system is to blame ...

[Andrey Moskvin]

Sorry, but I didn't understand a little. Everything was fine in the system until a Pole and a Russian appeared. Why did the system not spit out "strangers", because it needs "its", in your opinion? Completely confused.

[Svarog]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Sorry, but I didn't understand a little. Everything was fine in the system until a Pole and a Russian appeared. Why did the system not spit out "strangers", because it needs "its", in your opinion? Completely confused.

The system worked, with the "correct" management .. with gouging no system will work. Under Stalin, socialism developed in unprecedented tepes. Under Khrushche, everything began to fizzle out. Well, I don’t know how else to explain it ..

[citizen]

Quote: Svarog

Under Stalin, socialism developed in unprecedented ways ... under Khrushche, everything began to rot ...

Strongly controversial. Under Khrushchev, they stopped starving, citizens began to move en masse to individual apartments. The USSR became a real superpower capable of destroying the United States.

[Shurik70]

I don’t remember who, but I said correctly:
"You don't have to fight the facts. You have to use the facts."
Europe has never accepted and will not accept Russia as an equal partner.
Well, don't fight it. This should be used.
Any contract with them to negotiate every position, always hard to demand compensation, and never help them to their detriment.
A good, downright classic example is the French Mistrals. A little less than 1 billion euros were demanded from France for the violation. This is how it should be.

[citizen]

Quote: Shurik70

Europe has never accepted and will not accept Russia as an equal partner.

I think you are wrong. Throughout the XNUMXth century, Russia was a member of the club of great powers, and in the first half the "gendarme of Europe" was almost a superpower. From the time of WWII they talked with the USSR on equal terms. "Yalta World" in your opinion is not a treaty of equals?

Quote: Shurik70

A good, downright classic example is the French Mistrals. A little less than 1 billion euros was demanded from France for the violation.

And what kind of inequality did you see in this story?

[Shurik70]

Quote: burger

Throughout the XNUMXth century, Russia was a member of the club of great powers, and in the first half the "gendarme of Europe" was almost a superpower. From the time of WWII they talked with the USSR on equal terms. "Yalta World" in your opinion is not a treaty of equals?

Russia could take everything for itself.
But SHARED out of respect for allies

Quote: burger

Quote: Shurik70

A good, downright classic example is the French Mistrals. A little less than 1 billion euros was demanded from France for the violation.

And what kind of inequality did you see in this story?

The fact that France promised not to terminate the contract, but did not fulfill the promise

[citizen]

Quote: Shurik70

Russia could take everything for itself.
But SHARED out of respect for allies

Don't make idiots out of the Russian leadership. They took as much as they could take. According to the economic weight of the countries.

Quote: Shurik70

The fact that France promised not to terminate the contract, but did not fulfill the promise

Did she promise? Do you see inequality in this? I do not understand the essence of your claims.

[Shurik70]

Quote: burger

Did she just promise?

It was PROMISED.
Their president, personally.
Not long before the failure.
Respected partners are not deceived

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

Under Stalin, socialism developed in unprecedented ways ..

Do not deceive anyone by this B today. One opportunity to get into the camp on the denunciation of an envious neighbor will scare everyone away.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

So it turns out that the Slavs are to blame?

Straight song; "... Am I to blame?" According to my personal impressions of life, Russian people are generally not able to nominate their leader from their midst. Therefore, they are always forced to rally around a non-Russian. What's the matter, I don't know. All I see is what is called an "empirical fact."
Are you guilty? No, this is probably the worst part. If someone realizes his guilt, he can improve ... And in this case, there is only a premonition of the inevitable ending. It is very bad if the largest people of Russia are the most defenseless, and it does not even occur to him that it is he who is responsible for its History, and not Jews and Caucasians or Bolsheviks with liberals or someone else.

[lucul]

Exactly to create .. The West wins over with an interesting product in a beautiful package. This applies to literally all areas. That we can't do this?

No we can not )))
The basis of the Western mentality is personal egoism, elevated to an absolute, to a cult. But tightly controlled by the secretive clans that govern them.
The basis of the Russian mentality is mutual assistance and self-sacrifice. These are two extremes, and it is extremely difficult for them to get along together.

[Svarog]

Quote: lucul

The basis of the Western mentality is egoism, elevated to an absolute, to a cult. But tightly controlled by the secretive clans that govern them.

This is the basis of a person, not of a Western mentality .. or rather, not a basis, but a set of qualities, but these qualities also include

The basis of the Russian mentality is mutual assistance and self-sacrifice.

And in the Western system they also take place ..
As for the modern Russian mentality, it practically does not differ from the Western one.
I'm sure we can create. For this, you just need to create conditions.

[lucul]

This is the foundation of man

Are you seriously ? )))

[Svarog]

Quote: lucul

This is the foundation of man

Are you seriously ? )))

Yes, quite .. a person consists of good and bad qualities, the environment determines which qualities are more profitable at the moment to use .. and they are used for survival. The system rules. And it depends on it which quality is preferable to use by the individual. But on the other hand, each individual rules separately, in other words, the more mentally developed people in a society, the more comfortable it becomes to live in it ... Duality is in everything and this is the most mysterious and curious phenomenon ..

[lucul]

Yes, quite ... a person consists of good and bad qualities, the environment determines which qualities are more profitable to use at the moment ... and they are used for survival

Hmm ....
Since ancient times, in the tribes there was a punishment when a member of the tribe was expelled from the tribe, and he ALWAYS died alone. Only mutual assistance contributed to the survival of the tribe, and the more aggressive the environment was, the more the unity of the tribe was required. This is actually the norm.
But selfishness is more the exception than the norm. This is why the natives never understood the Anglo-Saxons. Do you remember what the Indians said to the Anglo-Saxons?
Only when the last tree is cut down,
only when the last river is poisoned,
Only when the last fish is caught,
Only then will you understand that you cannot eat money.

[Svarog]

Quote: lucul

Since ancient times, in the tribes there was a punishment when a member of the tribe was expelled from the tribe, and he ALWAYS died alone. Only mutual assistance contributed to the survival of the tribe, and the more aggressive the environment was, the more the unity of the tribe was required. This is actually the norm.

Then how did the Europeans and the British survive? Are they selfish?
Your theory is flawed ..

[lucul]

Then how did the Europeans and the British survive? Are they selfish?

Well, how, how - under the control and supervision of the faithful sons of Israel)))

[Stas157]

Quote: Svarog

There is duality in everything and this is the most mysterious and curious phenomenon ..

For correct duality

[citizen]

Quote: lucul

The basis of the Western mentality is personal egoism, elevated to an absolute, to a cult.

Quote: lucul

The basis of the Russian mentality is mutual assistance and self-sacrifice.

And how did you measure it? Is charity a marker of mutual aid?

[Van 16]

"General American"

A friend for a long time and from the very foundation worked at Ford in Vsevolozhsk. He told about the same thing. As long as the directors and bosses were Americans, everything worked fine. But they worked their way out and left, our locals, so to speak, became the chiefs. And so it began .. Corruption, rudeness and so on. Who knows, it's not for nothing that there were so many strikes there ..

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

The system is like that ... and it needs to be changed.

You have a good example, but the wrong conclusion. The Hindu and the American were the product of what system? And the Pole and our compatriot were "homo sovieticus" weren't they? Or their children, which is one. So what are we changing for? Homo sovieticus to homo capitalis or vice versa? And what kind of people are the product of what system?

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

You have a good example, but the wrong conclusion. The Hindu and the American were the product of what system? And the Pole and our compatriot were "homo sovieticus" weren't they? Or their children, which is one. So what are we changing for? Homo sovieticus to homo capitalis or vice versa? And what kind of people are the product of what system?

No ... your theory doesn't work. Although you are trying to fit nicely. It is not a matter of "homo sovieticus" and it will not work to vulgarize the socialist system. The fact is that the Hindus have corruption, clannishness and other attributes exactly the same as ours ..
I didn’t mention one more important detail .. the Indian was hired in the USA .. that is, he was interviewed and evaluated there .. but the domestic commercial was already accepted in the Russian Federation .. HR Director. Which again speaks about the importance of the quality of selection. In general, the HR Director is perhaps the main person in the organization .. But in the Russian Federation, very little attention is paid to this position, as well as to the person who is responsible for hiring employees. It was not in vain that I gave an example of tests to identify the level of mentality or spiritual development. But in addition to tests, the interviewer himself must be with a high level of development .. In general, it's all about personnel and personnel selection ..
And the essence of a person is the same at all times and in any country .. yes there are certain differences, but the basis is the same ..

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

And the essence of a person is the same at all times and in any country .. yes there are certain differences, but the basis is the same ..

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

it will not work to vulgarize the socialist system

That's why I got everything then, and now I buy everything ... I got it with difficulty. Easy to buy!

[lucul]

-Corruption, nepotism decompose any, even the healthiest and strongest organism, kills creativity, creativity .. well, the organism itself.

You do not understand the very essence)))
Read Parkinson's Laws:
"NOT PRIZED (in another version of the translation - IMPOSITION)
Consists of three stages.

1. A person appears among the employees who combines complete unfitness for their work with envy of others' successes. Its presence is determined by external actions, when a given person, unable to cope with his work, always pokes into someone else's and tries to enter the leadership.
2. The carrier of the infection, to some extent, breaks through to power. Often everything starts right from this stage, since the carrier immediately takes a leading position. It is easy to identify him by the persistence with which he survives those who are more capable of him, and does not allow those who may be more capable in the future to advance. The result is that states are gradually filling up with people who are stupider than their boss. The signs of the second stage are complete complacency. The tasks are set simple, and therefore it is possible to do, in general, everything. The bosses achieve what is planned and becomes very important.
3. In the whole institution, from top to bottom, you will not find a drop of reason. Signs - complacency is replaced by apathy.
Treatment:

In the first stage, the disease can be treated with injections. “Intolerance works very strongly, but it is not easy to get, and the danger in it is great. It is extracted from the blood of army elders and it contains two elements: 1) “but it can be better” (MP) and 2) “no excuses” (NO) ”.
The second stage requires surgery. The patient and the surgeon should not be combined in one person, therefore "a specialist is needed, sometimes - the largest of the large ones, Parkinson himself."
The third stage is incurable yet. Therefore, “employees must be provided with good recommendations and sent to the institutions you most hate, things and affairs must be immediately destroyed, and the building must be insured and set on fire. Only when everything burns out, you can consider that the infection has been killed. " "
)))
The Anglo-Saxons have successfully used this technique for centuries in relation to other countries - it is enough to push one such person into the structure (vertical of power), and then he will do everything himself (remember Gorbachev). You just need to know the laws of the development of society, and the Anglo-Saxons knew them.
)))

[Svarog]

You do not understand the essence)))

Well, we are about the same thing .. but you painted everything cheerfully))

[lucul]

Well, we are about the same thing .. but you painted everything cheerfully))

Well, the main thing is to burn out this infection with a hot iron)))

[Ross xnumx]

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Quote: lucul

1. A person appears among the employees who combines complete unfitness for their work with envy of others' successes. Its presence is determined by external actions, when a given person, unable to cope with his work, always pokes into someone else's and tries to enter the leadership.
2. The carrier of the infection, to some extent, breaks through to power. Often everything starts right from this stage, since the carrier immediately takes a leading position. It is easy to identify him by the persistence with which he survives those who are more capable of him, and does not allow those who may be more capable in the future to advance. The result is that states are gradually filling up with people who are stupider than their boss. The signs of the second stage are complete complacency. The tasks are set simple, and therefore it is possible to do, in general, everything. The bosses achieve what is planned and becomes very important.

I had to experience all this on my own experience. Oh, how I share the correctness of the above.
After the third stage, the enterprise presents a zombie institution, in which they do what the boss says. It doesn't matter that there are more rational methods and solutions. The chief ordered ...

[WIKI]

Quote: Svarog

Or create a really nice car? We can do everything.

We will be able to do that, only who will buy it all. The main car in Russia is Lada. Why? Because the income of the population is enough for it.

[Svarog]

Quote: WIKI

Quote: Svarog

Or create a really nice car? We can do everything.

We will be able to do that, only who will buy it all. The main car in Russia is Lada. Why? Because the income of the population is enough for it.

The price of Lada is greatly overstated, its cost is about 250 tons .. everything else is the margins of the plant, dealers, taxes .. (VAT in every detail) .. so the issue of regulating margins and taxation is serious. BUT, of course, with today's cap model, it will not be possible to change this

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: WIKI

We will be able to do that, only who will buy it all. The main car in Russia is Lada. Why? Because the income of the population is enough for it.

And in your own country it is easier to organize service. It is almost time to move away from the Western model, when any product is produced with a predetermined service life.

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And a domestic car can become attractive if the problems of body corrosion disappear, the chassis will correspond to our roads, the comfort of the cabin will meet the climatic conditions, and the fuel consumption will stop hitting the pocket ... There is no need to doubt - we will be able to. Only in production it is necessary to revise the criteria for appointment to leadership positions.

[Siberian54]

andrei moskvin \ "our compatriot" is quite a Jew, or if hypothetically, then some of the 180 autohon nationalities ...

[Andrey Moskvin]

Maybe, although I doubt that a Russian Jew would be taken from the outside into an American corporation. If there are any left at all.

[Moore]

Quote: Svarog

Our specificity is that it is not the most intelligent, talented, gifted people who make their way to the top ... but the most cynical, arrogant and thieving. The system is like that ... and it needs to be changed.

Such a system changes only with the change of "elites" (please do not find fault with the definition of what is, such is), thinning out these very "elitists", a ban on inheritance by the offspring of any position in the civil service and the main sectors of the country, already occupied by their older relatives. Who among us is ready to "sprinkle the snow with reds", even if in a partially figurative sense? Supreme? How long will he live after the promulgation of such a paradigm, especially since he has never been an IVS? People? He chews popcorn and watches Malakhov in the evenings, sometimes going out with his young and, accordingly, stupid part of hanging out at the rallies of various Gapons.

[atalef]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Svarog

I believe that looking around, and even more so adjusting to someone, is unacceptable ... for a self-respecting state ... Russia has given the world no less scientific discoveries, culture ... and other values ​​of civilization ...

Without any doubt. But here's the weird thing. Many of our people copy, and unconsciously, both the Western way of life and precisely Western values. I emphasize - unconsciously. They verbally abuse the "amerikosov", but they themselves behave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY DO. Now I am just working on material on this topic using the example of a book by an American Jewish woman living in France. She compares all the time American culture, French, elements of Jewish and ... surprisingly, our people copy the bad American, but the good that we have, and the French (!!!), are discarded. A real phenomenon. But it is.

And the bad is very easy to copy, for the good you need to strain yourself - and who wants it?
In general, it is much easier to condemn than to try to do better.

[Grandfather]

Chicken Kiev on a piece of black bread, much tastier and healthier than a "burger", but it is an infection, in a beautiful box ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kalibr

They verbally scold "amerikosov", but they themselves behave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY DO

Nonsense full.

[kalibr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

They verbally scold "amerikosov", but they themselves behave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY DO

Don't say "gop" until you've jumped! There will be a detailed article about this.

[Mordvin 3]

Let's go. I will be happy to express myself.

[kalibr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I will be happy to express myself.

I hope so!

[Hypertension]

Quote: kalibr

Many of our people copy, and unconsciously, both the Western way of life and precisely Western values. I emphasize - unconsciously.

And someone and consciously. St. Petersburg is our cultural capital, built not without European (Italian) architects. The Italians also had a hand in the Moscow Kremlin. During the Patriotic War of 1812, the aristocracy spoke French, almost more often than Russian. Tolstoy's "War and Peace" is not normal to read without a dictionary / footnotes. In the Union they were chasing European consumer goods. As well as for Japanese (which was essentially a copy of European / American). Since the time of Peter the Great, Russia has turned in the direction of Europe, and to this day it has not turned.
You are right when you say that they are scolding, but they themselves are almost indistinguishable. It must be admitted that in the ideological and cultural confrontation we are inferior. Hollywood dictates the agenda, and we only "answer" awkwardly. All our "stars" of Tiktok, YouTube, stage, in fact - a surrogate for the West. With rare exceptions.

[hagen]

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Quote: kalibr

Now I am just working on material on this topic using the example of a book by an American Jewish woman living in France. She compares all the time American culture, French, elements of Jewish and ... amazing - our people copy the bad American,

We are two different local civilizations with the West. The border between us runs along the line between Catholic Christianity and Orthodoxy. The United States is part of Western civilization. Since Western civilization inherited the achievements of ancient civilization (there is such an opinion), the West acquired and until the twentieth century retained its primacy in both civilizational and technological development. Today, to a large extent, the West still has technological superiority. We, as a civilization adjacent to the West, have been following its achievements throughout our history and, in principle, have succeeded quite well in this matter. This technological race has led to the fact that the West has become attractive to us in many ideological directions. By the way, the ideas of communism and socialism are also taken from Western sources. Today the West is showing "fatigue" in the development of philosophical thought, and in general there is a feeling that it is going through a period of breakdown, turning into decay. And we are not going anywhere from the neighborhood, and some of this decay will certainly pass to us. The conflict between West and East is eternal. And we, being a local civilization between East and West, are constantly experiencing pressure (no less conflicting) from both sides. Actually, this is the reason for our being in constant "tone" (tension). This tone will disappear, and our civilization will begin to disintegrate. And all these questions about the "system" from the evil one ... are shallow and incomprehensible even to those who are discussing. In general, this topic is very extensive and so ambiguous that for at least the last three centuries eminent philosophers-historians have been breaking spears on it, but they cannot come to a consensus. I do not think that it is possible to somehow disclose the topic within the framework of the VO format. Toynbee explained the basics of this belief system in 12 volumes. Gumilyov wrote no less books on the same topic. Their critics were also very prolific. How can this be summed up in a couple of hundred sentences? Want to try? Well, good luck to you ..

[Crowe]

Personally, I am violet to the opinion of the West

Join.

[Cat Kuzya]

Oh, Nikita "woke up". And what did he sing 20 years ago? Did you see it now? And what prompted our "genius" to do this? Maybe they added him to the sanctions list? Or did he, on a command from above, connect to strengthen the braces (so that they would not be excommunicated from the trough) - "bad west", "enemies all around", "Englishwoman crap", "let's rally around the Orthodox tsar", etc.?

[Covid]

Do you have a clear idea of ​​what the West is? Otherwise, wherever you stick your nose, the West is something that I don’t LIKE and the second option is that the Kremlin told me to call it that. The world is almost 200 states and it is necessary to compare the comparable state with the state. After all, Norway is completely different from the United States. And England is not like the previous two. Is Australia the West? And Turkey? She is a NATO member and is still eager to join the EU.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Covid

Is Australia the West? And Turkey? She is a NATO member and is still eager to join the EU.

Everyone who plays in the Champions League is the West.

[Covid]

Agree. All science and technology is there. There, the first to understand what is in time not to take up the mind, then Humanity will be the end.

[ultra]

Quote: Covid

We are the first to understand what is in the time not to take up the mind, then Humanity will end.

Can you give examples? And then I have big doubts about the validity of your statement.

[Covid]

Find and read documents on GXNUMX climate solutions. The other day it ended. I think a week is not very long for you?
On my own behalf, I will add the world's leaders in the implementation of Green technologies are China, the USA, India and the EU.

Do you think that someone will stop listening to you?

[Grandfather]

Quote: Svarog

Personally, I feel purple about the opinion of the West ..

it is worse when the authorities treat the people like cattle.

[wow]

But shouldn't they (west) go to ... with "their" civilization !?

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Yeah. Let's stop selling them gas! What kind of money will our "elite" pay for buying summer cottages in Miami and teaching children in Cambridge?

[Covid]

Besides gas, Russia also sells a lot. But these are mainly raw materials. Oil, fertilizers, ores, coal, metals, wheat. But you need to buy much more and mostly high-tech. Smartphones are all junk for computers. You also need to know that Russia does not have a monopoly on any product. This means that if they do not sell, they will find a replacement in the world.

[atalef]

Quote: yo-mine

But shouldn't they (west) go to ... with "their" civilization !?

In vain, smart people take the best, dumb ones scold and stay on the stove.
In Western civilization, there is a lot to learn, their achievements, personal freedom, change of power.
The success of the model and social protection.
The model does not fit in absolutely everything, but its success is unequivocal

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

social protection.

And what is better there than in the USSR?

[atalef]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: atalef

social protection.

And what is better there than in the USSR?

Well, in general, almost everything.
You de know what it was like to get sick leave in the USSR or to go through the WTEC, let alone about disability benefits, I generally keep quiet

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

You de know what it was to get a sick leave in the USSR or go to the wtek,

I know. They gave me a ticket to the Crimea, only because someone messed something up in my medical record. Refused freebies. Could?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

and I'm not talking about disability benefits at all

And be quiet. You don't know today's realities, but I live here. By hook or by crook, people with disabilities are removed from disability, or the group is lowered. I worked at the UPP VOS, and so, in the USSR, they built houses with handrails to the store, trash can, enterprise, bus stop, post office. Now everything is fucked up, and they live in communal apartments, without any hope for the social state.

[atalef]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: atalef

and I'm not talking about disability benefits at all

And be quiet. You don't know today's realities, but I live here. By hook or by crook, people with disabilities are removed from disability, or the group is lowered. I worked at the UPP VOS, and so, in the USSR, they built houses with handrails to the store, trash can, enterprise, bus stop, post office. Now everything is fucked up, and they live in communal apartments, without any hope for the social state.

Well, this is with you, but in the decaying west everything is not so.
Here even alcoholism / drug addiction is recognized as a disease with the right to disability. Good or bad, I don’t know, but. Like this

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

Here even alcoholism / drug addiction is recognized as a disease with the right to disability. Good or bad, I don’t know, but. Like this

I am not writing about drug addicts. In my presence, the girl changed her disability from the second group to the third, asking two questions, to which she answered in the affirmative. Can you light a column? And fry the eggs? Yes I can. Everything, cured, fly-fly!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

[quote = atalef] hi Sanka ...!

[atalef]

[quote = andrei yurievich] [quote = atalef] hello Sanka ...! [/ Quote]
Hey!!!!!

[Egoza]

He also notes the fact that today and within Russia there are enough people who treat their own country with ostentatious disdain.

And in order for the country to be treated not with disdain, it is necessary 1. For people to live better than in the West, ie. leave the capitalist path of development. 2 To cultivate love and respect for the Motherland from childhood. And this should be done not with the films that this master makes.

[Xlor]

removes this master

He is not a master, but an ordinary opportunist ...

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries," says the prophet, who has worked with Western actors and directors all his life, half of his relatives are in the West for permanent residence, and who loves dollars more than anything else.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Xlor

He is not a master, but an ordinary opportunist ...

He's not ordinary. He is elite ...

[Andrey Moskvin]

What a simple recipe you have. To live well and love the Motherland, the whole world will respect.

[Proxima]

Quote: Egoza

And this should be done not with the films that this master makes.

And who generally makes normal films ?! Take Shakhnazarov, on all talk shows, well, just a refined patriot quilted jacket. And then he shoots "White Tiger", where a German tank throughout the film shoots our Thirty-fours in packs like a herd of sheep. Okay, if this was the "harsh truth of war", and these are stupid fantasies , and probably for public money ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Authors 28 Panfilov, offhand.

[Proxima]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Authors 28 Panfilov, offhand.

An exception confirming the rule, can you advise something else, maybe I missed something?

[Victor Tsenin]

Star, in August 44th coming up? But your thesis about the exception is certainly true. However, even these three films inspire optimism, we can, if we want, and straight arms, coupled with the right thinking, of course)

[Proxima]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Star, in August 44th coming up?

Good movie Just one little BUT. It was filmed by Belarusians. I can still cite good modern films about the war, but they were filmed again by the BELARUSIANS! You know, it is very unpleasant and upsetting for our cinema, which is financed from the pockets of Russian taxpayers ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Yes, I know, only recently there was a dialogue about the sponsorship of Solzhenitsyn's filth. In connection with these pernicious tendencies, let us be sensitive to the forces of change.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Proxima

It was filmed by Belarusians.

And exactly according to Bogomolov. However, "Edinichka" came to me. A normal film, if you do not find fault.

[citizen]

Quote: Egoza

1. For people to live better than in the West, ie. leave the capitalist path of development.

Not a single non-capitalist country has been able to raise the standard of living of its citizens above the level of developed caps. countries.

[atalef]

Quote: burger

one non-capitalist country was unable to raise the standard of living of its citizens above the level of developed cap. countries

Fuck, what a deep message.
Let's just say that no socialist country has been able to raise the standard of living of its citizens to the standard of living of developed capital countries.

[atalef]

Quote: Egoza

1. For people to live better than in the West, ie. leave the capitalist path of development

Any examples?
When did you leave capital development and begin to live better?

Quote: Egoza

2 To bring up love and respect for the Motherland from childhood

Love for the homeland does not need to be brought up, it comes from the whole process of life in the country, no matter how many times you say halva - it will not become sweeter in your mouth.
In the USSR, this was repeated from morning to evening and even at night.
But the USSR collapsed in 3 days and no one stood at the barricades.

And this should not be done with the films that this master makes.

Well, his films are definitely patriotic

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

In the USSR, this was repeated from morning to evening and even at night.

Where did they tell you at night? At night, you, Sashka, I suppose you listened to the BBC under the covers.

[atalef]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: atalef

In the USSR, this was repeated from morning to evening and even at night.

Where did they tell you at night? At night, you, Sashka, I suppose you listened to the BBC under the covers.

Well, in general, as a rule, sevu Novgorodtsev, and not under a blanket, but on the ocean 205,
I liked it.
He was young, he loved music

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

and on the ocean 205,

The rogue ... And my Ocean 209 is still working.

[atalef]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: atalef

and on the ocean 205,

The rogue ... And my Ocean 209 is still working.

[Victor Tsenin]

The lofty thoughts of Mikhalkov, the opportunist to the core, the author of famous film masterpieces - are you serious?))

[Svarog]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

The lofty thoughts of Mikhalkov, the opportunist to the core, the author of famous film masterpieces - are you serious?))

You definitely gave the definition to Mikhalkov)) But he identified this "problem" because it worries him and his environment .. Because they have everything there ..

[Luminman]

Mikhalkov's thoughts

The well-known family of jo.polizov for a long time! They will be at any power!

[Victor Tsenin]

So yes, but a serious man absolutely distances himself from THIS) This humming only to the detriment of reputation, my classmate was carried away by the mantras of Besogon TV, since then he is known by the nickname Nikitos.

[Crowe]

For a long time I have such an association with him:
"And our master, as soon as he gets drunk, orders to take out a chair on the porch and, well, communicate with the serfs." N.V. Gogol

[Victor Tsenin]

Gogol, it turns out, is mentally retarded, degenerated, in the deepest opinion, of such an apologist for the wnau as Farion.) And that's all, because, as it turns out, he wrote in Russian.
But, honestly, this physiognomy, I mean Mikhalkov, evokes nothing, except for pity about the spending of state money, of course.

[atalef]

Quote: Luminman

Mikhalkov's thoughts

The well-known family of jo.polizov for a long time! They will be at any power!

Therefore, to accuse him of unpatriotism is simply stupid, whoever he is.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

The lofty thoughts of Mikhalkov, the opportunist to the core, the author of famous film masterpieces - are you serious?))

Well, of course - it is necessary to listen diligently to the master's moral admonitions, sir. The whole abomination of this redneck is that he in vain (and obviously) stands up for autarchy, in which the plebeians will break their caps in front of him. Oh you, damn west ... oh you, all sorts of Carbonari ... and with a broadsword ... and a whip ... and bloody snot in the neighborhood ... But it's too early. While to preach to the people. Monarchy, castes, estates - this is the fate of the Rossiyushka, yeah. And an iron curtain for slaves.
All my life in the image of Paratov, a scoundrel. And the people listen.
Anthelmintic.
Ugh.

[Victor Tsenin]

Let him stand up, for you, for me and many of those present, this is nothing more than a clown showing how not to)

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

for you, for me and for many of those present, this is nothing more than a clown

Not at all. He is the herald and conductor of a new ideology. However, of course, not so new) This redneck with lordly arrogance has already divided everyone into patricians and plebeians, and the focal grassroots audience, drooling from their lips, listens to his aperitifs about the damned West (with its surroundings) and is quite ready to perceive the main dishes with class-class delights. I wonder if the term "serfs" will soon return to the vocabulary of our politicians? Vulnerable post-industrial feudalism is the ideal of Worms. And, apparently, those whose paw he sucks.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

... I wonder if the term "serfs" will soon return to the vocabulary of our politicians

Already ... I returned a long time ago .. I heard somewhere that he tried to justify and write down the most patriotic serfs ..

[Victor Tsenin]

I see this moment in the key that on VO there is a true and impartial attitude to this, as to a substance well-known to everyone. You can, of course, discuss, but everything is clear and so, let Nikitos, along with bars (in the sense of a gentleman), plebeians and other anachronisms go further, my opinion)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Let him stand up, for you, for me and many of those present, this is nothing more than a clown showing how not to)

Wait, little Migalkin will grow up, everything will be a little different.

[Luminman]

Conchita is a woman with a beard or an effeminate man, I don't even remember his / her gender - this is the face of the West! Showcase of his civilization!

[75 Sergey]

And we still want to please them, we love everything imported, And we must love Russia and ourselves.

[Gardamir]

But you need to love Russia and yourself

For this you were given a minus. How many Russophobes are here!

[75 Sergey]

Do not worry.
There are plenty of them everywhere.
The most interesting thing is that Russians are all peoples living on the territory of Russia, because this is an adjective.
And the Russians are guys with dual or more citizenships.

[Victor Tsenin]

You live in realities, how did you turn Russian into an adjective?)

[75 Sergey]

And so, there was a story.
But there was a story, I hope you understand.
Once at a court ball, Emperor Nicholas I asked the French Marquis Astolphe de Custine, who was visiting Russia at that time:

- Marquis, do you think there are many Russians in this hall?

“Everyone except me and the foreign ambassadors, your majesty!

- You are wrong. This one close to me is a Pole, here is a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.

- Then where are the Russians? Custine asked.

- But all together they are Russians ...
Russian is international in nature.

[kalibr]

Quote: 75Sergey

But you have to love Russia and yourself.

That is, to buy a Lada, not a Toyeta? I love myself, so I buy the best ...

[75 Sergey]

Yes, buy what you like ... Just don't forget your neighbor too.

[Victor Tsenin]

Yes, we do not want and we love the Motherland and ourselves, this belongs to a certain stratum, what you wrote, I think, suits this cohort, as they used to say - rootless cosmopolitans.

[Gardamir]

When it was necessary to destroy the Soviet regime, we were told that the West is good, it just does not like us, because we have communists. And now the canned capitalists are in power. And why does the West not love us again?
But here the split of consciousness begins. God bless him with the West, our own government does not like us either.

[Cat Kuzya]

And here you need to understand a simple thing - any state no longer needs its citizens. It was in the era of nation-states that the strength of a state depended on the size of its population, economic development, and the number and strength of the armed forces. In the modern era of globalization, these parameters cease to play their role because the global economy is replacing national and international law is replacing national. The state from a supranational regulatory structure serving for the development of the nation has become a structure that integrates territories into a common world economic and political system that suppresses national interests. But this is not all. The transformation of the state into an instrument of control of the world's elites over the population, in conditions of overpopulation and limited resources, led to the fact that states began to carry out genocide of their populations in order to free up space, reduce pollution and excessive consumption. The modern state, which serves the world oligarchy, no longer needs its citizens, because it no longer needs to create a gross social product by the hands of people in the coming era of robotization, digitalization and artificial intelligence.

[No name B]

The transformation of the state into an instrument of control of the world's elites over the population, in conditions of overpopulation and limited resources, led to the fact that states began to carry out genocide of their population in order to free up space, reduce pollution and excessive consumption.

And that is why Europe is hosting hundreds of thousands of Arabs and blacks, is it so worried about space?

[Ross xnumx]

The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries

Crap! Nikita Sergeevich, it's time to understand that men in Russia do not like men, and men wear women's clothes only for humorous performances. We have no middle sex, and men do not give birth to children. Tolerance to absolutely everything is also not observed. And there are no gay pride parades. And the title of the honored homosexual of Russia was considered a stigma for the whole family.

[Gardamir]

We don't have a middle sex

You are wrong. we have a middle sex and it sounds like a shameful monster.

[Keyser soze]

What nonsense - Russia has always been a part of European civilization. This ... ъъъ ... narrow-minded person was paid to propagandize the difference between the Russians and the braces. Cheap propaganda of the lake neo-feudal cooperative. They say we are like everyone else and are surrounded by enemies.

[rocket757]

[/ quote] [quote] The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries

Who bothers ... it's his problem.

[Andrey Moskvin]

This is how it strained our intelligentsia for centuries.

[rocket757]

Ha, our fat pussies, modern, have outdone their ancestors in striving, imitation and worship of those there.
Alas, alas, people, for the most part, without national pride and a complete lack of morality.

[Codett]

Our people do not care that the West does not consider us its part, but the oligarchs and officials who withdraw capital from our country, buying up yachts and palaces there, often have passports of Western countries, well, at least a residence permit, and if they resolve issues among themselves, then in the courts of Western countries, they are worried about it

[s.adviser]

We, the swami, understand that only the oligarch's yacht evokes a sense of pride in a real Russian.

[rocket757]

Are you saying on behalf of "real Russians"?
Or the sense of humor is ...

[Aleksandre]

Quote: rocket757

Are you saying on behalf of "real Russians"?
Or the sense of humor is ...

There is such a word - sarcasm.

[rocket757]

Maybe so ... Well I asked, but not a label hung.

[s.adviser]

Well, thirty years ago I sang something completely different. A capable family with all the rulers at the pie.

[Codett]

Here's an example

[Evil troll]

MBH media

Also a noble patriot

[rocket757]

Well, who chose those? They didn’t themselves fall on our heads.
Alas, alas, the passive majority coughs, then, in kitchens, in smoking rooms, and now in social networks ... LATE, they have already made a choice for them.

[Diviz]

asses and souls thats the difference

[Borisych]

West, kingdom of shadows. The shadows of the Inquisition are on his heels. Shadows of the burned and crucified No way, just because one priest thought ... A vile lie accompanies the rotten world of the West. It was. That's it. Humanoid beings, sexless and morally crippled. Hence all their gender abomination. A man a man ... Spit and grind.

[Clochard]

"Moral authority" of the nation, "unsinkable" under any power (you know what the common people call it)

[Basarev]

In the letters of the European kings already 400-500 years ago, a "code" is spelled out, which Europe actually observes today - "Anyone, but not Russia."

For simple survival, Russia also needs a similar maxim - with anyone, but only not with China.

[Evil troll]

Well, then throw out your Oscar, which the bad West gave you.

[Yang yangov]

"We wear the same costumes, often listen to the same music, drive the same cars. But ... No."

Well, yes .. the argument is still) but what about gay pride parades? Same sex marriage? Parent # 1 and Parent # 2 ?? Well, I just can't be a part of them))

[rocket757]

Westerners will not back down anyway! It is holding them back until, paradoxically, all your bonds, our culture and upbringing, while still at the state level ... fight.
But the tentacles of foreign corruption have already crawled through, in many places, we have. Alas, alas, this is so. This does not bother the rich at all, they could, for the sake of their ITERs, betray them ... they are also held back by our conservatism, rejection of the newcomer, absolutely godless.
In general, everything is still ahead !!!

[Che Prague]

The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries

Wow! ... Not really? Did it even come to Nikita Sergeevich? Nope, this is what he tells us. He himself does not think so. You want to eat, but he sat down on the presidential wave. Who pays, sings on that wave.
Clown.

[Krasnodar]

Expert of the West - the most popular in the States, for example, foreign writers Tolstoy and Chekhov

[Maks1995]

Yes. I do not care and the opinion of the West and the opinion of the changing owners Mikhalkov.

I remember they taught in the USSR - everyone was always friends through one.
Spain condemned the entire Netherlands to death, England for 100 years was cut with France, France with Germany, the Swedes - with everyone around, Poland - similarly, everything with all 100 years for the Spanish inheritance, they sank ships, cut cities, drove away peasants ...

Really, both culture, and the visits of the nobles and modern travel-congresses to work goes exactly with the West. Some families of officials do not go to China or to the Arabs. (unless the children of Muslim officials from the regions). Both Russian artists and musicians are quite famous in Europe. It's just that there are fewer of them, the country is less populous, poorer, and cooked in their own juice ...

[citizen]

Where did Mikhalkov get that the West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization? How is this expressed? In general, in the scientific world, the concept of Russian civilization, Western civilization, Chinese civilization and other civilizations is considered almost anti-scientific, since there are no specific criteria for distinguishing such civilizations.

[Motorist]

Quote: burger

Where did Mikhalkov get that the West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization? How is this expressed?

A small example: when entering the Federal Republic of Germany, he presented a GamKovidVak vaccination certificate, said "Impfnachweis nicht anerkannt"; and in Turkey - the rules. Maybe this is just an exception? .. No, it is.

[bihola]

you have to love your homeland.

[restless]

In the 18-19th centuries, people traveled from Europe to the Russian Empire to earn money, this was when the gold pieces were gold and everyone considered Russia the strongest, but when the gold pieces were gone and the economy became weak, everyone began to shit on Russia. Conclusion: it is necessary to become a strong economy, but as long as the Jews in power no one makes it like that, the conclusion; it is necessary to pass the laws of the Russian Empire, for the Jews the qualification of residence, whoever says that it was not the Jews who destroyed the Russian Empire and staged a revolution, let them throw a stone at me ...

[Gips]

"Fascism is our emanation."
Shchulgin.
By the way, few people know, but the Russian nationalist monarchists taught Hitler's "right to hate" Jews. And in general, Russian emigrants from among the lovers of the monarchy greatly influenced the ideology of the NSDAP. And the Nazis initially did not have ideological hatred for the "Jews". This is Russian influence.

✌️ Come on, Black Hundred, urine of all the underdogs.

And on May 9, are you also proud of the Victory of the grandfathers? Oh well))

[Bolt cutter]

This is Russian influence.

Adolf Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf why he became an anti-Semite. There is no Russian influence there.

[Gips]

https://vk.com/wall-31871956_58819

[citizen]

Quote: restless

whoever says that it was not the Jews who destroyed the Russian Empire and staged a revolution, let him throw a stone at me ...

Well, if Nicholas II was a Jew, then we will not throw stones at you.
And yes, fascism will not work.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: restless

output; it is necessary to adopt the laws of the Russian Empire, for the Jews the qualification of residence,

And what to do with them?

[Gips]

Absolute nonsense). If this cunning word "civilization" is replaced by the word "bourgeoisie", then the picture becomes clearer.
And a simple, but quite natural question arises: why should the Western bourgeoisie consider the Russian part of it? These are competitors, and they are obliged to gnaw each other. They bit off each other's pieces of pie, even being blood relatives, centuries ago, and today, in general, "God himself commanded."
Mikhalkov is a crazy metaphysician who can cloud the brain of any nationalist patriot. Mikhalkov is unscientific.
Mikhalkov is a servant of the national huckster.

[onstar9]

And how can Russia be considered "a part of Western civilization"? There are normal democratic states where laws and human rights are observed, and in Russia at all times there have been various despotisms and people have never had any rights. That under tsarism, that under Stalin. Then there was the "Brezhnev" regime, when everyone in poverty was kept behind the "iron curtain." Then, when the USSR collapsed and everyone thought that we would "finally live", a dictatorial regime came, which crushed everyone and took all the wealth for itself. And the rest ..... "Rosgvarliya and batons in the teeth" .....

[nickolai.maliugin]

Now we want to correct what we were planted in the 90s, but whole generations have grown up on this, and many have become teachers. And even by political scientists. Even in noble impulses the devil is hidden. When the truth is presented one-sidedly. Until the mistakes of Yeltsin's rule are officially recognized, we will stumble over this log.

[Terran ghost]

Now we want to fix what we were planted in the 90s.

First, who are the "you" you are talking about?
Secondly ... do you personally think that the building of communism by THESE METHODS (this is very important), with which it was built by the RCP (b) -VKP (b) -KPSS, is possible and would you like to resume this very construction?

[voyaka uh]

Exactly the opposite.
The West, once again, considers Russia to be a part of Western civilization.
But the ruling elites of Russia are inclined towards a special Eurasian path.

[Mikhail3]

Something I did not understand. Yes, Yemana, the West does not consider us as its part! And he is terribly afraid! What did you guys want ?!
Look at the map, Yemana)) More than anything else, the West is afraid that Russia will one day swallow Europe. And that's all. We jumped. So Europe, throughout its existence, has been inventing ways not to become Russia. This war will continue until either Europe is finally absorbed, or the Russians are destroyed, thereby destroying the source of danger.
At the moment, the second option is closer to being implemented than ever.

[Knell wardenheart]

We love to blame the West for what we are often the initiator of. It is not the West that does not want us to be a part of it - it is we, historically, that we do not want to be a part of the West. When we manage to bend our line, this question does not bother us from the word at all, it seems to us that we are occupying a worthy place, and so on .. the fact that the West hates us, does not want to consider us as equals, to see us as its part, etc.
The key problem here is that we really DO NOT WANT to be part of the west. Our elites have historically believed that we are kakbe cooler, bigger, more spiritual and so on, so that "they are there" should get sick of this, slowly see the light and fall down before our overvalued ideas. Whether it is our civilizational and religious model or the model of the European system (such as the conservation of monarchies at one time), or, finally, the idea of ​​a world revolution. So, now we are also bending our idea - we are not satisfied with their idea, we did not want to integrate into it - now we have a "in words" manichka about a "multipolar world" as opposed to some "Western hegemonism". Before that, we were against Western colonialism. And before that, we were against Western imperialism, against Western pernicious ideas, etc., and so on, and so on until the darkness of the centuries. Instead of focusing on what unites our civilizations, we constantly try to measure ourselves with a causal place, just waiting for the moment when we can aggravate an already cool relationship.
Why are they cool? So_historically_ it happened. We are in a big illusion that we WHY SHOULD LOVE US - despite the fact that there is nothing to love us for. The West, for all its viciousness, has been a generator of ideas and technologies for centuries, a space for growth opportunities for those who want more. It was these people who sang his valor and vices - because they had the RIGHT to sing it, they had the means and environment that made it possible to live the way they lived and live. Rejecting any details of this design, we have always envied this in its essence. The question "what, so it was possible ?!" regularly appeared with us in contact with Western civilization - because in matters of freedom of thought and freedom of action, we have always been inferior to it. At times, this realization pissed off our elites - they saw in this a threat to their traditionally authoritarian, semi-sacred power over minds and souls. From their point of view, they should be loved and respected already, "by default", automatically - BECAUSE BECAUSE. And here there is always some kind of rational west dangling on the horizon and seducing people like a tempting snake, and people begin to ask questions and be oppressed from scratch.
Our system has always been a kind of cage, a kind of petri dish, inside which conditions were perceived as ideal (for the elites) because the alternatives were carefully etched away. But the conditions were never objectively like that. And this was always pointed out to us by "this very West", stupidly by its existence, by its dynamics.
Of course, it will be difficult for many here to agree with this idea - because in our society the influence of such a thing as PRINCIPLE is very strong. This is the very rudiment that prevents us from developing normally - we really love to spite our mother to freeze our ears instead of just quietly learning from other people's mistakes and getting better - just like they know how to study in the same Asia. No, we will grab on the fly, and from half a turn assume that we understand better - after all, we are the coolest, not that they are "filthy"! And then we will compose fairy tales about the fact that everything would be fine, but "THE ENGLISH WOMAN FUCKED".

[No name B]

They wrote everything right. What I would like to add is that the West is private property, through wars and catastrophes, the West has come to respect private property, life and culture. Respect for a person, life, feelings, needs has brought the West to a leading place in the world. And in our entire history, people were driven into a herd and this experiment ended in failure and even now continues

[Nafanya from the sofa]

This nasal "prophet" who regularly confirms the anecdote "hesitated along with the party line" personally just annoys me.
"I am smart, and all of you, but I will teach you a little bit anyway."

[demo]

VoklahiM otch, from onnarts enM
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[Radical]

The West does not consider Russia a part of its civilization, and this has been going on for centuries

What a "fresh" thought ....

[Terran ghost]

Russia is a de facto part of Western civilization

Because that's the way it is. Russia is part of European civilization.

Even when at the head of our country were monarchs who had direct family ties with European monarchs, and then Russia was presented as some kind of eerie place, which, by definition, cannot be united with Europe.

Evidence, of course, will not be presented. Without them, this is just another unfounded demagoguery.

In the letters of European kings already 400-500 years ago, a "code" is spelled out, which Europe actually observes today - "Anyone but Russia."

In the letters of what exactly "European kings"? And what kind of "letters" are we talking about?

[Illanatol]

He thinks correctly. Russia is not the West or Europe. You just have to accept it and not get complex about it.
And do not count frantically pennies, saving up for a ticket to the doomed "Titanic".