Short routes along the coast: US Navy Zumwalt stealth destroyers are not yet at risk of being sent on long voyages

The US naval command is struggling to decide which format to use its latest Zumwalt-class stealth destroyers. These are warships, each of which is valued at approximately $ 1,4 billion. At the moment, the US Navy has two such destroyers - USS Zumwalt (the lead ship of the series, after which the entire series is named) and USS Michael Monsoor.

Noteworthy is the fact that the command of the US Navy is afraid to send these ships to carry out tasks (including patrolling) in the open ocean - thousands of nautical miles from the American coast. Recently it became known that the new generation destroyer USS Michael Monsoor appeared in the area of ​​the Canadian island of Vancouver. A US Navy warship was spotted near the Canadian port of Nanaimo in the Georgia Strait.

It is reported that the "stealth" destroyer entered the Canadian naval base Esquimalt, located on the said island.

Thus, we have to admit that at the moment the destroyers of the new generation of the US Navy make relatively short transitions between their bases or between the bases of the US Navy and the main continental ally - Canada. Short routes along the coast, from base to base.

At the same time, attention is drawn to the fact that such a course is being laid for the Zamvolts so that at any point they would be at a distance of no more than 60 nautical miles from the coast. This gives reason to say that, despite the statements about the confirmation of data on high seaworthiness, these warships are not yet trusted with truly long voyages. They are not included in the US Navy strike forces. While they are making single voyages, even outside the framework of combat patrols.

Recall that some time ago, the US Navy subsequently proposed to arm the Zumwalt-class super-destroyers with hypersonic missiles. However, those hypersonic missiles that are still being developed in the United States do not fit the dimensions of the silos at Zamvolty. Rebuilding the launch cells can take a long time and again require impressive costs.

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[Grandfather]

Short routes along the coast: US Navy Zumwalt stealth destroyers are not yet at risk of being sent on long voyages

they are "stealth" ... even their own people are afraid not to see again ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dead Day

even their own people are afraid not to see again ...

It (the tree) does not sink!
(His superstructure is made of balsa, from which the Kon-Tiki raft was made)
In general - a log is a log!

[Yuri V.A]

Indeed, a plastic superstructure (not to mention the entire hull) is a completely different matter. Or is the aforementioned log in someone not only in the eye, but also in the brain?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Yuri V.A

Indeed, the superstructure is made of plastic

very precise wording. one superstructure. the one that was first released. on the other two money, bye bye, and expensive Chinese composites had to be (funny ) replace what was at hand. I have not heard the version with a tree. wrote that they replaced it with steel. surely the most positive effect on secrecy

[Alex777]

The first two destroyers have plastic / balsa superstructure.

Balsa (or Balsa) (Ochroma) is a fast-growing tree, reaching a height of 30 meters in the first 10 years of life. His homeland is South America, the main suppliers: Ecuador, Burma. This wood is prized primarily for its incredible lightness, the density of balsa is 120-160 kg / m³, in comparison with alder (525 kg / m³), ​​which is classified as a low-density species, balsa weighs practically nothing.
Due to its properties, balsa has found a fairly wide application in thermal insulation, vibration isolation, aeromodelling, surfboards and areas where high strength of parts, coupled with minimum weight, is required.

On the third, to save money, they installed a metal one.

These are warships, each of which is valued at approximately $ 1,4 billion.

The author burns. There are completely different numbers. Absolutely.

As of 2016, the cost of building all three ships was estimated at 12,73 billion dollars... At the same time, the total cost of the program, which includes research and development costs, is up to 22,5 billion dollars.

[Alex777]

For the main carriers of the CD (destroyers of the "Arley Burke" class and the cruisers "Ticonderoga") ... EPR is in the range from 5 to 10 thousand square meters, which turns them into excellent radio contrast objects for direction finding at a distance of 300 km using onboard radars included in the electronic architecture of the search and sighting complexes PPM "Novella-P-38" anti-submarine aircraft Il-38N.
Another thing is the first two sisterships of the "Zumwalt" class, the angular superstructure of which is assembled from radio-absorbing elements (balsaic basics and cork panels with a 3-mm Kevlar size), and the hull is represented by reverse debris of the sides and stem with sharp oblique ribs for "dumping" electromagnetic waves emitted by enemy sea and air-based radars into space.
Thanks to these design features, the RCS of "Zamvolt" and "Michael Monsur" amounted to about 100-150 sq. m. As a result, the range of their detection in comparison with EM class "Arley Burke" decreased by 4-4,5 times: for "Novella-P-38" - about 70 km, for the onboard radar N035 "Irbis-E" multipurpose fighters Su -35С - about 90 - 110 km. The indicator is quite good.

https://topwar.ru/152917-balsa-i-probkovoe-derevo-ne-spasut-kakie-kozyri-est-u-morskoj-aviacii-vmf-rossii-v-shvatke-s-zamvoltami.html

[knn54]

"Three wise men in one basin
Set sail on a thunderstorm.
Be stronger
Copper basin
My story would be longer. "
Translated by S. I Marshak

[Region-25.rus]

they are "stealth" ... even their own people are afraid not to see again ...

I remembered the saying - "ashamed when seen "
call. could not resist)))

[voyaka uh]

"they are" stealth "... even their own people are afraid not to see them again ..." ///
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You have hit the mark!
Fishing schooner captains complained about Sumvolt. On their radars, it flashed like a boat of equal size.
And when it appeared visually, there was a shock:
a bulk the size of a multi-storey building.
Therefore, the Zumwolts are now attaching radio magnifying lenses to the superstructure.

[I am not a robot]

but it was highlighted, on weak radars of fishermen

[voyaka uh]

On the screen of the enemy destroyer's strong radar, Zumvolt will also light up.
From a much greater distance. But also, like a small ship. Is not dangerous.
This is the point. Lull the enemy's vigilance.
Therefore, almost all modern ships are built with stealth elements.
And the Russians too.

[I am not a robot]

that is, if a lightning-type missile boat approaches the ship, it will not look dangerous on radars, and the crew will lose their vigilance

[voyaka uh]

In the open ocean?
RTOs do not run there.
The Zumvolt can fire 80 CR from the middle of the ocean. Not shining himself on the radars.

[Alex777]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Zumvolt can fire 80 CR from the middle of the ocean.

I doubt very much about 80 CD.
This is the total number of Mk-57 TLUs on ships.
If you think so, then Burke 96 CD can release.
But in fact, on Berks only up to 56 CR can be.
Have you already learned how to launch CDs on the Mk-57 US NAVY?

[Avior]

On Berks and Tikanderogs, all slots can be filled with Tomahawks. It happened in Iraq - they shot in the first wave and immediately went to reload

[Alex777]

Quote: Avior

On Berks and Tikanderogs, all slots can be filled with Tomahawks.

In theory, they can. But so that it was practically so - I did not hear. For launching the KR, the VPU must have the appropriate fittings. And installing it is not easy. Only on the base is it possible.
The same shelling of Syria under Trump - 56 KR one destroyer released, then the second continued.

[Avior]

On Berks and Tiki there are 2 TLUs each, all cells are in the "shock" (Strike) version, on both TLUs the Tomahawk launch equipment is installed. 56 can be with some type of load, so that there is a sufficient supply of other missiles and immediately after the shooting of the Tomahawks it is not necessary to leave for reloading, but to continue service.
But there is a possibility, if necessary, to load all cells with Tomahawks, both starting and all cells are suitable for this.

[Alex777]

Quote: Avior

But there is a possibility, if necessary, to load all cells with Tomahawks, both starting and all cells are suitable for this.

I guess we're talking about different things.
The fittings for the SAM and KR containers are different.
Even the ground-based Mk-41 missile defense systems.
To put the KR in the cell instead of the SAM, the fittings in the cell must be changed.
And then - yes, you can put it.

[Avior]

containers for missiles, the so-called Canister, differ, they come with a missile of a certain type, this is a replaceable element, it is installed or changed if necessary when loading missiles into cells.
Tomahawks require Canister Mk 14.
The VPU cells themselves are distinguished by their longest, the longest of them are shock, VLS Strike-Tomahawks are placed only in them, on Berks and Tiki there are all cells of this type. Canister is placed in the cell, and a rocket is placed in it. All Berks and Tiki slots can contain Tomahawks in Canister Mk 14 containers.
There are even shorter cells VLS Tactical and SDLS (they do not include Tomahawks), but they are not on Burks and Tiki, there are only long Strikes.
To launch a certain type of missiles from a TLU, in addition to the cells with containers themselves, launch preparation and launch equipment is needed for each specific type of missile - it is put in common for the entire TLU.
Thus, there are not the slightest technical obstacles to the full loading of all the launch cells on Berks and Tiki with Tomahawks, another thing is that after that the ship needs to be sent to the base for reloading, so usually all the cells are not loaded with Tomahawks.
shl
Ground installations do not have such launch equipment for Tomahawks, so they cannot be launched from them, although there are long VLS Strike cells, the same as on Berks.

[3danimal]

I met the data that the new Berks carry 64 cells for KR / anti-ship missiles and long-range missiles (Mk-41 "Strike")
Accordingly, the remaining 32 are occupied by ASROCK and ESSM PLUR.
In any case, the resulting arsenals are capable of launching 2 Tomahawk missile launchers or 2 LRASM / TASM anti-ship missiles per second (from the bow and stern UVP, the rate of fire of each is 1 large missile in 2s).
There are many of them and are being built at an enviable speed.

[3danimal]

About Mk-57: they seem to be universal (of the same size) and capable of launching all modern missiles in service with the fleet, both missiles and strike missiles. The main thing is that there is compatibility in electronics.

[I am not a robot]

if you launch rockets from the middle of the ocean, then why stealth there

[tralflot1832]

Let the fishermen complain about a civilian radar station. At one time, a warrant led by the aircraft carrier "Kirov" passed by us, its mark on our radar was no different from the fishermen.

[Evil troll]

Of course it will be a shame if it gets wet or turns over. It should be done slowly.

[tralflot1832]

Imagine if, on a distant passage, they again slip through the heat exchangers of oil refrigerators, as when they were passing the Panama Canal !???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

[NDR-791]

Quote: tralflot1832

will the heat exchangers of the oil coolers go through again, as during the passage through the Panama Canal !?

Come on. The second time is no longer so embarrassing!
The rockets don't fit ... how are the Gauss cannons doing? Is it empty under the covers?

[mojohed2012]

Well, they drag the iron across the seas. And let them spend taxpayers' money. So after all, the iron does not pose a threat to anyone - only to the sailors themselves, who carry it, tk. drown at any moment.

[3danimal]

The cannons are successfully firing on the shore so far. There are no analogues ..
And under the covers are a pair of 155mm AGS.

[Avior]

... They are not included in the US Navy strike forces.

It is not clear what specific strike groups are talking about, but in any case, what should they do there?
In the form in which they have weapons, any Arlie Burke blocks their capabilities many times over.
Now, if missiles are developed for new cells with enhanced capabilities, then we can talk about some kind of their place in the AUG.

[tralflot1832]

And who neglected you, for a sensible idea?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: tralflot1832

And who neglected you for a common idea?

and where is there health? there are few missiles on it and the proud berks will not take such a group into the AUG flock? what kind of kindergarten?
They are afraid to let them go far because, due to the small crew and the high degree of automation, in the event of a breakdown, on-site repair is impossible. only at the base. to include in the AUG a trough that can stand in the middle of the ocean and it will have to be dragged to the nearest base due to the fact that there is no repair on the spot, an extremely dubious idea, even for the Americans. and the presence or absence of missiles on a trough with questionable navigability will not affect its navigability in any way. the campaign received three more flawed LCS but very expensive.

[Avior]

And what should he do in AUG, and even in the middle of the ocean? Tell me, it's interesting

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Avior

And what should he do in AUG, and even in the middle of the ocean?

absolutely nothing, but it has nothing to do with the presence or absence of missiles.
this is what you fantasized here recently:

Quote: Avior

Now, if missiles are developed for new cells with enhanced capabilities, then we can talk about some kind of their place in the AUG.

[Avior]

absolutely nothing, but it has nothing to do with the presence or absence of missiles

it is connected.
Due to the fact that from the new Mk57 cells it is possible to use only part of the missiles from the arsenal available in the Mk41 TLU installed on Berks and Tiki, and also taking into account the fact that the radar station on Zamvolty is cut off, Zamvolt is limited in the use of missiles, thus the use Zamvolta as part of AUG does not make sense - any of its functions can be performed by Berks, and besides, they are more functional, they have much more capabilities.
The Mk57 Zamvolt cells are larger than the old Mk41, and it was originally planned that new, longer-range and more powerful missiles, long-range high-precision shells for guns and new types of weapons would be developed for them. But this did not happen, they limited themselves to the fact that the missiles adapted some of the existing ones with other containers, and that was all. Therefore, the use of Zamvolt in the presence of Berks is simply a pointless exercise.
And yes, if new types of missiles for Mk57 cells are developed for Zamvolt, it's another matter. Zamwolt will have new features not available to Burks. Then it will make sense to use them.

[Nexcom]

And why do Americans allow their "irons" to walk so close? Are they afraid that the Chinese will steal and copy?

[zwlad]

To be afraid that the Chinese will see them and die laughing. And this is already fraught with an international scandal with China.

[usr01]

stealth destroyers coastal voyages ...
For smugglers - it is!

[voyaka uh]

Zumvolt went to Hawaii (Pearl Harbor), and he also went to Alaska (not along the coast) to check seaworthiness in a storm.
There were no breakdowns.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

There were no breakdowns.

just were. and with these breakdowns, it turned out that it was impossible to eliminate them in revenge and it was necessary to drag the iron to the base. once they pulled up and decided that was enough. now along the coast and not far from the base

[voyaka uh]

It turned out near Alaska that the iron-like Zumvolt is resistant to large waves and can launch rockets from vertical cells, when neither the Burke nor the Ticonderogs are capable of this anymore.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

It was found near Alaska that the iron-like Zumvolt is resistant to large waves.

this is great! the truth is, why is this a ship that can only be repaired at the base and scared to release into the ocean

[Mole13]

Do you want, like the "Titanic" - in the first voyage drowned?) Wait, he just started looking for his "iceberg" ...

[voyaka uh]

The third Sumvolt enters the fleet in a few months.
He will live and see.

[Galleon]

US Navy Zumwalt-class stealth destroyers are not yet at risk of being sent on long voyages

I would understand and share this banter if it came from the Soviet Navy. But in today's Russia, trying to laugh at the fleet, whose ships do not get out of the seas ... It's funny when a Russian ship goes to an inter-fleet passage with a tug and support transport, because it's dumb to let it go alone - that's really funny. The Soviet Navy did not go like that - neither combat, nor PM-ki, nor scouts.
Everyone knows the saying about the neighbor's cow, but let's not start living by this saying!


It may be that with the advent of new weapons, these ships will pose a serious threat. Don't laugh at the little one and the old man. I remember how the entire Baltic Fleet in the eighties got cancer when the battleship Iowa entered the Baltic. There was nothing to take him: the armor belt of the citadel is 60 cm! And several dozen Tomahawks that reach Moscow. That's the old man, only there was no laughing matter.

[Serg65]

Quote: Galleon

It's funny when a Russian ship goes to an inter-fleet passage with a tug and support transport, because it's dumb to let it go alone - that's really funny. The Soviet Navy did not go like that

Come on? Take a look at the official voyages to the USA and Canada ... battleship, tanker and tug! This is the first "
And secondly, a Soviet warship from the North Sea to Vladivostok could get fuel and help for two days, now only in Mediterranean! And why?

[Galleon]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Galleon

It's funny when a Russian ship goes to an inter-fleet passage with a tug and support transport, because it's dumb to let it go alone - that's really funny. The Soviet Navy did not go like that

Come on? Take a look at the official voyages to the USA and Canada ... battleship, tanker and tug! This is the first "
And secondly, a Soviet warship from the North Sea to Vladivostok could get fuel and help for two days, now only in Mediterranean! And why?

This is your "first" when it happened? Did the "Excellent" and "Ustinov" go to Norfolk with a tug? No. The tug is a trend of the new time, you must agree.
Secondly, before Vladik, they refueled in Mediterranean near Crete, in Aden at 17 OPEsk, near Sri Lanka and in Kamran, some with boilers on fuel oil. Who on diesel probably never refueled)) (just kidding)
But at the same time, they did not carry the tanker with the tug with us.

[Serg65]

Quote: Galleon

"first" when did it happen?

1975 visit to Boston, BOD Boikiy, BOD Zhguchiy, tanker Dniester, operated with them MB-5 based on Cienfuegos.
1982 BPK Timoshenko visits Congo, Principe, Angola. Technical support by the tanker and the SB was provided by the Atlantika UOR.

Quote: Galleon

"Excellent" with "Ustinov" went to Norfolk with a tug?

There was no tug, there was only a tanker ... and a tug in Cienfuegos, ready to help at any time!

Quote: Galleon

But at the same time, they did not carry the tanker with the tug with us.

And why carry it when there is a PMTO or ships and AUXILIARY ships of squadrons nearby? So that modern military men do not carry tugs behind them, it is necessary to recreate all the OPEK and PMTO from the North Sea to Vladivostok!

[I am not a robot]

if you do not have bases around the world, then you have to carry a tanker with a tug with you - this is normal

[I am not a robot]

you could get cancer, for example, but not the whole Baltflot
6000m of armor what to diminish
why can't you laugh, because the American

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Galleon

I remember how the entire Baltic Fleet in the eighties got cancer when the battleship Iowa entered the Baltic. There was nothing to take him: the armor belt of the citadel is 60 cm!

In fact, the Iowa's side was actually twice as thin, and the deck was twice as thin as the side.
As for "nothing to take" - but where did the 57th mrad go with its carriers of monstrous almost six-ton ​​anti-ship missiles?

[Galleon]

Quote: Alexey RA

In fact, the Iowa's side was actually twice as thin, and the deck was twice as thin as the side.

Here you are right, thanks for the amendment.

[rotmistr60]

US Navy Zumwalt stealth destroyers until they risk being sent on long hikes

For them, the main task was planned to support the ground forces by attacking coastal targets with 80 Tomahawks and destroyer artillery systems. How now to land on the enemy's shore without the support of such an expensive miracle? How many expensive American projects were either not resolved, or after the development of the money turned out to be not viable in the quality that was originally proposed. For businessmen and swindlers, creative thought works faster than that of the military.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: rotmistr60

How now to land on the enemy's shore without the support of such an expensive miracle?

Well, they came up with the MLRS to the deck of the landing ships to fasten. of course they are not the first, but somehow they get out.

Quote: rotmistr60

For businessmen and swindlers, creative thought works faster than that of the military.

and here is a mistake in the United States, businessmen and the military are one and the same people.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: SanichSan

in the United States, businessmen and the military are one and the same people.

But at different times. There, in general, the cycle between business and power is established - just remember Dick "Halliburton" Cheney.

[Shket53]

Saw Shura (Pentagon) ... she (it) golden (golden)

[Prisoner]

Let them drink there. It will be calmer both for crews and aborigines on distant islands. All the same, serious people cannot be frightened with these vessels.

[Kushka]

- Well, who are you?
- Parrot!
- Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!
- What are you doing ?!
- Well, you said yourself - a parrot!