Turkish edition: Russia should be admitted to NATO instead of the United States

Brussels hosted a regular NATO summit, at which the defense ministers of the alliance countries again discussed Russia's "aggressiveness" and ways to defend against it. However, behind the confrontation with Russia, NATO is trying to hide its main problem - disunity within the bloc, writes the author for the Turkish edition of Sabah.

The NATO bloc, created to confront the Soviet Union and neutralize the threat to the "democratic countries" first from the USSR and then from the Warsaw bloc countries, lost its very purpose of existence in the early 90s of the last century due to the collapse of the main enemy. Subsequently, the countries of the former socialist camp themselves joined the alliance. Currently, there is no Soviet threat, and in order to justify its existence, NATO invented a new enemy - Russia.

At the same time, many countries of the bloc have excellent relations with Russia, and terrible ones within the alliance. As the author notes, there are more disputes within the bloc than fighting external threats.

He cites relations between Turkey and the United States as an example. The author is convinced that Washington supports Turkey's enemies, while being the main one in the alliance. In addition, Turkey and Greece, which are NATO members, are almost at war and there is enough spark to ignite it.

On the other hand, Turkey has excellent relations with Russia, which, according to NATO, is the main enemy of the alliance. This does not prevent Ankara and Moscow from conducting a constructive dialogue and establishing cooperation in various fields.

In the author's opinion, it makes sense to create a new military-political NATO bloc, compatible with modern world conditions, into which Russia must certainly enter. And in order to eliminate instability in the Middle East, Israel must also be admitted there. But the United States should not be admitted there, there will be no stability with them, he sums up. A sort of NATO bloc without the United States, but with Russia. Original proposal ...

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[Woodman]

it makes sense to create a new military-political NATO bloc, compatible with modern world conditions, into which Russia must certainly enter. And in order to eliminate instability in the Middle East, Israel must also be admitted there. But the United States does not need to be admitted there, there will be no stability with them.

A very unexpected opinion ... Although I agree with the fact that the United States and international stability are incompatible.

[mitroha]

Original proposal ...

More than, given the fact that Turkey itself, as well as a bunch of countries, does not fit there due to the absence of the North Atlantic nearby.
But seriously, this alliance has long outlived its usefulness, but if the hamsters pay, then the officials will not deprive themselves of work and the hegemon will snatch weapons

[credo]

Why does Russia need NATO, or have we already forgotten how all the costs of maintaining the Warsaw Pact countries were borne by the USSR.
For Russia, a common military alliance with the countries of Western Europe can be useful only if we are in charge there and behave like the Anglo-Saxons, providing our military-industrial complex with orders from the "allies." But this is unlikely to happen.
Russia already has its own union, called the CSTO, and that's probably enough. The same so-so so-so.

[Tatyana]

In the author's opinion, it makes sense to create a new military-political NATO bloc, compatible with modern world conditions, into which Russia must certainly enter. And in order to eliminate instability in the Middle East, Israel must also be admitted there. But the United States should not be admitted there, there will be no stability with them, he sums up. A sort of NATO bloc without the United States, but with Russia.

An interesting idea from this Turkish author, but some not completed yet. Namely,.

What is behind this proposal of the Turkish author on the organization and development of a new NATO - i.e. Is NATO without the USA concretely conceived? This is not entirely clear.
After all, the Pentagon NATO is NOT a DEFENSIVE military bloc at all, but the OFFENSIVE bloc of the United States and the collective West against Russia! And now against China!

But the proposal of the Turkish author in the form of Turkey's PRESSURE on Washington and the EU as a propaganda PR move - in an oriental way - is quite suitable for Turkey.

[fif21]

Quote: Tatiana

OFFENSIVE bloc of the USA and the collective West against Russia!

There is no collective west! And Turkey's statement is another confirmation of this. There is the United States and its sixes, yapping based on the situation. The enemy in the person of Russia, NATO invented to justify its budget. No more .

[Tatyana]

Quote: fif21

Quote: Tatiana

OFFENSIVE bloc of the USA and the collective West against Russia!

There is no collective west! And Turkey's statement is another confirmation of this. There is the United States and its sixes, yapping based on the situation. The enemy in the person of Russia, NATO invented to justify its budget. No more .

This is your simplified understanding of the essence of NATO and the "collective West".
Moreover, with regard to the existence or non-existence of the "collective West", as such, against Russia.
In addition, the Pentagon budget for NATO and NATO countries is not an obstacle to Washington at all!

Don't underestimate the enemy! This ends badly for the naive side in the confrontation with the enemy.

[fif21]

Quote: Tatiana

Don't underestimate the enemy!

But it's not worth it to catch up. Or do you need an enemy like NATO?

[Tatyana]

Quote: fif21

But it's not worth it to catch up. Or do you need an enemy like NATO?

The enemy is not needed, but he already exists and stands at the borders of our Russia!
What kind of a strange conciliatory position do you have?

[fif21]

Quote: Tatiana

What kind of a strange conciliatory position do you have?

I take it calmly. Because I am confident in the victory of the Russian Federation over any aggressor.
They know our position. It is useless to persuade them, so we will be ready for any scenario of the development of events.

[bashkir]

Russia does not need anyone, Israel and America even more so. I think all normal people understand this.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Paris needs money, c'est la vie!
And he needs knights

even more so.

But what is a knight without love?
And what's a knight without luck?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yes, Russia should join NATO. And everyone else needs to be expelled from there in FIG! Except for Luxembourg.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

Yes, Russia should join NATO. And everyone else needs to be expelled from there in FIG! Except for Luxembourg.

No, that won't work!
Monaco and San Marino will be offended! Again, Andor is sorry ... How can you build a block without her, honey !?

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

Then the Vatican goes there too! And what ? And to the father of Rome, the senior warrant officer, shoulder straps on a cassock! The beauty !

[Cat Alexandrovich]

No, the main Catholic is not allowed, his pedophilia blooms there, like a bird cherry in the spring, and these are not our values. No place for dad in our NATO!

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

So we gave him epaulettes "well, very much a senior ensign" - and behind enemy lines! To carry out "sabotage"!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: credo

The same so-so so-so.

What allies are good for you? Those who will sacrifice their interests for the sake of Russian ones?

[Bat]

Turks troll NATO.

[Finches]

Have the Baltic States already made Turkish ambassadors persona non grata?

[den3080]

Turks are sending 10 ambassadors of NATO countries and nearby. Threatened anyway.
Led by the United States.

[Finches]

Yes, I am aware, but I mean that the limitrophe countries must urgently go to Turkey! For the USA to notice their zeal!

[Vend]

NATO has already outlived its usefulness. It's time to disband this organization.

[poquello]

Quote: Wend

NATO has already outlived its usefulness. It's time to disband this organization.

it is difficult, to reform if only

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Wend

NATO has already outlived its usefulness. It's time to disband this organization.

It turns out like in a joke.
The mice conferred and decided that it was time for the cat to leave.
For fun, write to NATO headquarters and tell them it is time for them to be disbanded.
I'm curious what they'll answer you.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Lesovik

A very unexpected opinion ...

But the idea is interesting - the Middle East military bloc AND WITHOUT the USA !!!
Poor correspondent ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Starover_Z

Middle Eastern military bloc ...

STE you mean NATO, what is it ???
Or do you like in that joke: - Yes, I see that it is not bananas, but the box says - there are no peels!

[Real Pilot]

Not feasible in the short term ...
But we generally like his train of thought!

Although, it makes sense for the time being to refrain from creating new military blocs, while disassembling NATO into parts. After all, with the collapse of the ATS, the process did not end - NATO as a bloc did not cease to exist ... Accordingly, maybe the UN toolkit would be sufficient in the form of a system of sovereign countries? After an adequate reform.

And should Russia harness itself instead of the United States? To feed everyone again ... They will strangle them in their arms, since the war does not work!

[credo]

NATO, first of all, was created by the United States itself to control vassals and make money on vassals and their fear, this is the postulate that Turkish "comrades" should proceed from, and not hover in the clouds with unrealizable dreams.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

NATO is primarily created by the United States itself to control vassals and make money on vassals and their fear

Everything is so, the United States has created a bloc to keep the slaves in check, constantly pitting them against each other so that one of them does not feel like "alpha males". Everything works according to "Parkinson's Law".

[Ros 56]

Sound thought, striped, the source of all geopolitical problems in the world.

[dzvero]

They survived ... the Turks are trolling the hegemon and want a military alliance with Russia ... Interesting times are outlined ...

[Bat]

Quote: dzvero

Lived ... the Turks are trolling the hegemon and want a military alliance with Russia ... Interesting times are outlined.

And NATO has surrendered to Turkey? NATO members did not help the air defense. The United States did not sell its air defense separately. The US supports the Kurds against Turkey. Greece and France against Turkey. They refused to sell the plane. Well and what a fig for them this sharashkin's office?

Turkey to the CSTO with Azerbaijan.
It will be power!

[Shket53]

Hello ... I can imagine what a cold sweat from your proposal has now broken through the entire leadership of Armenia ... but as a joke ... then offset. Sincerely

[tihonmarine]

And in order to eliminate instability in the Middle East, Israel must also be admitted there. But the United States should not be admitted there, there will be no stability with them, he sums up.

The guy does not hold humor, although in some ways he is right. You can create everything, but without the United States.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tihonmarine

You can create everything, but without the United States.

I would like to, but it will not work ...
The USA is now the rusty sword of TNK. It is on the States that they have all their hope and support throughout the world. International capital has long risen above national governments and pushes them as obedient lackeys.
So, without the States, it will not work out now: TNCs will not allow this to happen.

[Wedmak]

Can it be easier to dissolve NATO, and put the United States on bread and water? Until they come to their senses, well, obviously they have the balls for the rollers left. And the very idea of ​​making friends with a bloc against someone is already a thing of the past.

[HAM]

It seems that all the "solidarity" of NATO rests precisely on the bayonets of the Americans (or the wallet) ... at least this impression is created ..... the states will lose interest in NATO and everyone will scatter (it is unprofitable to pay for the "ballet" themselves) ... and that interest is falling is evident from the creation of only the Anglo-Saxon alliance.
And the Turks want Russia to pay for the "ballet" ....

[Incvizitor]

NATO is so dirty and low shobla that for the world it is like the Axis, why should the Russian Federation get dirty by getting there?

[Andobor]

Quote: Incvizitor

NATO is so dirty and lowly shobla that for the world it is like an Axis

This shobla cannot live without a master - the slave nature is already at the genetic level,
here are the Turks and offer to change the owner - the decrepit US for the gaining power of Russia.

[Incvizitor]

I mean, this is pronounced with hatred, it is like a swastika that causes disgust and contempt. The name in any case should be different.

[zwlad]

A sort of NATO bloc without the United States, but with Russia

No no no. Let Ukroinu take then instead of the United States.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: zwlad

Let Ukroinu take then instead of the United States.

They won't take it. They do not want a war with Russia and are openly afraid.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zwlad

Let Ukroinu take then instead of the United States.

Beggars are not even allowed into the bathhouse, and you are here instead.

[Al_lexx]

Turkey and Israel are allies, and even in company with Russia? I've never heard anything more delusional. In fact, it turns out to be a bloc against Iran and partly against Syria. Russia will never agree to this. And Israel will never enter into an alliance with Turkey.
Some sort of sofa marshal wrote ..

[Basarev]

Such a union of Europe, Israel and Russia excludes Turkey's membership in it. Rather, it will be counter-Turkish: Turkey should be punished for the many military adventures and boundless ambitions of the Sultan. For the sake of this matter, you can even negotiate with the States, it will not be superfluous to accept Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Tiwan, Australia and New Zealand ... Such is the planetary union of enlightened nations, who is the only one who is able to put an end to the expansion of Islam and poverty that has been going on for five hundred years. , backwardness and devastation.

[Vinnibuh]

Yes, there is half of Israel Russian, nude like Russians, in quotes)))) and the Turks are great, they bend their line.

[Vinnibuh]

We support all sorts of countries. Odkb, are you not funny yourself? Of the "partners", only Kazakhstan and Belarus represent something.

[rocket757]

According to the author, it makes sense to create a new military-political NATO bloc, compatible with modern world conditions.

... Come on, as "friends" you don't sit down ... you still get a commercial project, where everyone has their own interests.

[alystan]

The NATO bloc, created to confront the Soviet Union and neutralize the threat to "democratic countries" first from the USSR and then from the Warsaw bloc countries, lost the very purpose of existence in the early 90s of the last century - in connection with the collapse of the main enemy.

Yes, they did not lose their "goal" in the form of the USSR and the entire socialist camp, but contributed with all their might to their destruction and destruction. "The goal disappeared," and without hesitation, they introduced a new meaning into the reason for NATO's existence, then "augmented" it with new members, and then "geographically" expanded their zone of presence in the rest of the world.
They say "evil tongues" that theirs are already Southeast Asia and Lat. America is interested !?

[Clear]

But the United States should not be admitted there, there will be no stability with them, he sums up.

So the United States and the task, through NATO, is to create chaos, devastation and instability, preferably in all countries.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Over the past 118 years, all so-called. The "allies of Russia" demanded at least money from her. And basically they betrayed her at the first opportunity. Therefore, Russia should firmly remember Tsar Alexander III.

Russia has only two allies - its army and navy

J. Rodari said about the rest of the "fellow travelers":

God save me from friends and from enemies I myself will be saved

[75 Sergey]

Well, our officials will forgive Turkey for everything from such words - the owner called them his beloved wife!

[north 2]

not even the word NATO should be mentioned in such a sentence. It may be possible in the future to create such an alliance or bloc, but it should exclude even fragments of NATO philosophy, from its creation to the present day, because NATO was created to fight against Russia. And it doesn't matter what Russia was called - the USSR or the Russian Federation. The modern expansion of NATO, when the Warsaw bloc disappeared, proves that when NATO was created, Russia of any state system was in mind.
First of all, such a new bloc should be created as a political organization, and then a military component may not be needed either. Russia has already gotten tired of repeating that let's talk and negotiate without fail taking into account Russia's interests. I mean somewhere that such proposals of Russia will soon reach the heads of Turkey and Israel, Iran and Palestine, Germany, France and China, but how and when such proposals of Russia will reach the heads of England and the United States and their European lackeys, it is difficult submit it. Well, it's time not to ask the lackeys for an opinion, and that there would be no blood, today's NATO should be destroyed by political, not military means.
The proposed new bloc headed by Russia should be created by Turkey in the same way.

[Sands Careers General]

Turkish edition: Russia should be admitted to NATO instead of the United States

Russia is not nafig rattled your Nata.

[Ross xnumx]

Decent military responses of Russia to the manifestation of aggression on the part of NATO countries and other "sycophants" will raise its authority in the eyes of the world community. The world respects truth, justice and strength. If the Russian authorities are able to demonstrate this in deeds, and not in words, respect and respect her!

[Raven 95]

Come on to the bathhouse, jokers.

[Leonidych]

Great offer. Many would agree with this. Probably the overwhelming majority.

[Sergei Khukharev]

It's much more complicated. Russia has no friends, but there are partners who are ready to betray at any moment, but not out of spite, but for the sake of money in their pockets.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: credo

Why does Russia need NATO, or have we already forgotten how all the costs of maintaining the Warsaw Pact countries were borne by the USSR.
For Russia, a common military alliance with the countries of Western Europe can be useful only if we are in charge there and behave like the Anglo-Saxons, providing our military-industrial complex with orders from the "allies." But this is unlikely to happen.
Russia already has its own union, called the CSTO, and that's probably enough. The same so-so so-so.

I do not understand one thing, why Arabs are not remembered with their lards of money

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: North 2

not even the word NATO should be mentioned in such a sentence. It may be possible in the future to create such an alliance or bloc, but it should exclude even fragments of NATO philosophy, from its creation to the present day, because NATO was created to fight against Russia. And it doesn't matter what Russia was called - the USSR or the Russian Federation. The modern expansion of NATO, when the Warsaw bloc disappeared, proves that when NATO was created, Russia of any state system was in mind.
First of all, such a new bloc should be created as a political organization, and then a military component may not be needed either. Russia has already gotten tired of repeating that let's talk and negotiate without fail taking into account Russia's interests. I mean somewhere that such proposals of Russia will soon reach the heads of Turkey and Israel, Iran and Palestine, Germany, France and China, but how and when such proposals of Russia will reach the heads of England and the United States and their European lackeys, it is difficult submit it. Well, it's time not to ask the lackeys for an opinion, and that there would be no blood, today's NATO should be destroyed by political, not military means.
The proposed new bloc headed by Russia should be created by Turkey in the same way.

I repeat, the war is not against Russia, but against religion !!! Catholics against Orthodox - eternal war !!!

[Bradley]

And what is the point in this, considering that NATO was created as a counterbalance to the USSR and its successor - the Russian Federation? If Russia joins NATO, then it can be safely disbanded, there will be no sense in it.
But again, the United States will be able to create a new alliance, many wanting, and these are not third world countries.

[tolmachiev51]

What a "counterbalance" -NATO was created for the safety of Europe itself, so as not to squabble among themselves, like those tobaccos. But a military bloc must "necessarily" have an enemy, otherwise its existence is unjustified.

[Mwg]

Turks do not burn childishly.
So, you see, the United States will create the Warsaw Pact in a new composition (USA-Poland-Lithuania-Latvia-Estonia-Ukraine)

[Diverter]

This cannot be done !!!
If this is done, then in fact there will be a massacre with the pollution of vast territories! In the outskirts, Georgia, the Tribaltic, he will tear off the head and part of the body below the back from such an act!