"Within the approved schedule": State tests of the T-14 "Armata" tank continue

Serial deliveries tanks T-14 on the Armata platform will begin next year after the end of state tests. So far, the troops received only an experimental-industrial batch of new tanks.

The Russian military-industrial complex once again reminded that the state tests of the T-14 "Armata" tank will be completed in 2022. According to a source in the defense industry complex, at present state tests are in full swing, with a positive result and within the framework of the schedule previously approved by the Ministry of Defense. According to plans, tests of the new tank should be completed next year.

(...) as part of the tests, the tactical and technical requirements of the Ministry of Defense for the new vehicle are consistently confirmed

- leads RIA News source words.

The fact that serial deliveries of the new T-14 tank will begin next year has been reported more than once and was confirmed by both the military and the developer and manufacturer of this tank, Uralvagonzavod. However, in the Western media, and in some Russian ones, it was repeatedly written that the tests of the tank were too long and the Russian army was unlikely to see the new tank, as well as the fifth generation Su-57 fighter. The reasons for this are different, up to the lack of funds for the purchase of new equipment "because of the sanctions."

This year the Russian army received an experimental-industrial batch of T-14 "Armata" tanks in the amount of 20 vehicles. Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of two battalions of T-14 tanks and a battalion of BMP T-15 on the Armata platform.

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[rocket757]

The fact that serial deliveries of the new T-14 tank will begin next year has been reported more than once.

... When the process, the case, goes according to plan ... this is exactly what is normal.

[Vladimir_2U]

However, in the Western media, and in some Russian ones, it has been repeatedly written that the tests of the tank are too long and the Russian army is unlikely to see the new tank, as well as the fifth generation fighter Su-57.

Compared T-14 and Su-57.
Teshek almost immediately 20 pcs. not counting the BMP and BREM delivered. An excellent base for testing. Although, in my opinion, the iron part can already be driven grossly. It's much easier to stuff it with electronics later.

[rocket757]

Doesn't "burn" yet. There is time to finalize everything according to the mind!
So, for comparison, where and what was done well when they drove not just ahead of everyone, but even ahead of the optimal time frame necessary for a thorough check of what they were doing?

[mark1]

Well, just a gathering of ruddy patriots-optimists! And he seems to be ready to join your slender ruddy ranks, but delays lead to a loss of advantage, the enemy does not sleep, over time a lot is leveled.
Which year is 2015 or 2021 on schedule?
Anyway, I got the feeling that all our prospects for large series depend on a foreign order (a kind of partnership co-financing)

[rocket757]

Do we have an army that does not have modern weapons?
The prospect, guns instead of butter, does not inspire everyone ...
If you look at it, the strategic component of the Armed Forces is developing at a sufficient pace to contain the aggressor.
Those. priorities are ranked according to the importance of weapons.
This is normal.

[mark1]

Quote: rocket757

Do we have an army that does not have modern weapons?

It has...

Quote: rocket757

The prospect, guns instead of butter, does not inspire everyone ...

Long away...

Quote: rocket757

If you look at it, the strategic component of the Armed Forces is developing at a sufficient pace to contain the aggressor.

Enough ..

Quote: rocket757

Those. priorities are ranked according to the importance of weapons.
This is normal.

This is normal...
It is not normal to announce promising weapons many years before their adoption on the balance sheet of the Armed Forces with the disclosure of their appearance and TTD (the unforgettable Serdyukov declared - ... "what a ..." Armata "! As a result, we have launched counteraction programs and image losses.

[rocket757]

Quote: mark1

It is not normal to announce promising weapons many years before their adoption at

It's true. Ours have adopted the manner of announcing, advertising something that is simply not ready for use.
They have adopted a bad habit ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: rocket757

Do we have an army that does not have modern weapons?

It depends on who you listen to ...
If the Ministry of Defense, then we are simply mired in modern weapons, and if you listen to those who serve in the troops, then they have very few modern weapons. And this is one of the main contradictions in our Army.

[rocket757]

Analytics from all sides ... sofa, i.e. we, too, contribute.
All this is not easy ... as long as vigorous arguments play and replay everything else, this is a fact.

[Raven 95]

Quote: Bez 310

if you listen to those who serve in the troops

Have you been from Russia for a long time?
Or are you talking about the promised one?

[Barberry25]

I will reveal a terrible secret - no one will mass-produce the T-14 yet ... 500-600 vehicles will be delivered to begin with .. And yes, the T-14 is tested in the same way as the T-72 ... a modern tank is a complicated thing

[mark1]

Quote: Barberry25

T-14 will not be mass-produced yet. 500-600 vehicles will be delivered to begin with.

Up to 25 years about 100 pcs

[Barberry25]

possible, but this is only one contract

[ammunition]

Quote: rocket757

Doesn't "burn" yet

Tank T-34 - development began in 1937. Discontinued - 1948 Released 35 330 (not including the issue of T-34-85).
Tank T-14 - development began in 2009. Tests are ongoing - 2021 ....-)) comrade. Stalin would have gone into a rage

[rocket757]

Then there was nowhere without such a tank!
Now, the arguments are diverse, there are serious ones ... everything rests on them.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Compared T-14 and Su-57. fool
Teshek almost immediately 20 pcs. not counting the BMP and BREM delivered. An excellent base for testing. Although, in my opinion, the iron part can already be driven grossly. It's much easier to stuff it with electronics later.

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As for the comparison of a tank with a fighter, I agree, but about the fact that already now to cook the hulls ... cars on its base are now being driven "in the tail and in the mane"! They are trying to identify and eliminate all the shortcomings and "bloopers" to the end: there are too many innovations there, and we are not in a situation to launch a "raw" car into a series, and then spend money on reworking an already built one ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venik

I would not be in a hurry: Firstly, the hulls are exactly the fastest, and secondly: "Armata" and other cars on its basis are now being driven "in the tail and in the mane"!

I don't quite agree. A tank is not an airplane and, roughly speaking, wiring and sighting systems can also be installed in a vehicle in the army. But the "hardware" in the troops cannot be made. Well, in terms of hardware, our designers have just vast experience, the engine, as far as I know, is not at all crude and has long been run-in on experimental machines.

[Barberry25]

but the point? everything rests on the filling and the production rate is still more than 90-100 cars a year can not be surpassed ... then the filling itself is generally interesting in terms of adaptation to the t-72/80/90

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

but the point? everything rests on the filling and the production rate is still more than 90-100 cars a year cannot be surpassed

A tank without a computer is still a tank, albeit a bad one, but a computer without a tank is a pile of worthless boards. And I think that a finished tank with limited combat capability is better than no tank at all. Moreover, the quick repair of armored vehicles, which means the installation of equipment, is the basis of combat effectiveness.

Quote: Barberry25

Here, in general, the filling itself is interesting in terms of adaptation to the T-72/80/90

The T-90M is the limit for the modernization of the T-72 base, both in terms of protection and in terms of armament due to weight, and only sighting systems can be reached up to the level of the Armata.

[Barberry25]

uh ... but it's okay that now ANY tank is a mountain of boards, especially since we are talking about a tank with an uninhabited turret? therefore, as they assembled 90 pieces a year, they will continue to assemble them despite the number of hulls .. about the T-90M- you can install a weapon, control system, remote control and adapt the elements of the KAZ ..

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

uh ... but nothing that now ANY tank is a mountain of boards, especially since we are talking about a tank with an uninhabited turret?

Nothing is a mountain, do not exaggerate, but the cost is already very high, up to half in the last century. And now, in a finished tank, for half the cost, you can install simplified electronics, with the subsequent increase in capabilities if there is not enough money for everything at once. And why the confidence that an uninhabited tower gives a sharp increase in the required electronics? Roughly speaking, the loops are longer than steel and the contact device is more complicated and EVERYTHING.

Quote: Barberry25

about the T-90M - you can install a gun, control system, remote control and adapt the elements of the KAZ ..

Those. do you suggest equipping a obviously weaker tank at the expense of a stronger one? Or in parallel? By the way, I do not mind, just a little bit on the contrary, first saturate the Armat iron with simplified electronics (for Armata, of course), then, as funding and production go with a fully functional one, replace and transfer it to the T-90-80-72. Not everything is clear, it is clear that much simply will not fit on old cars, but what is possible.
Once again, it is relatively inexpensive to produce iron, and if something happens, tanks can be equipped with old LMS. The opposite will not work.

[Barberry25]

oh yeah .. let's rivet 100 pieces of ersatz, then spend 100 million on a car to bring it to mind .. About the "obviously weak tank" .. it's not a matter of weakness, but of mass scale ..

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

then to spend 100 million on a car to bring to mind

The mechanics have already been finished! Iron finished! The engine is finished!

About the "obviously weak tank" .. it's not a matter of weakness, but of a massive scale ..

Is the T-90M massive? Nothing like this.

[Barberry25]

1) until the vehicle is completed, you can get a problem at any time, 2) there are no problems with the production of components, but there is a production process, 3) we are talking about the whole family of tanks, in order to eventually get more powerful equipment in a short time. ..and about the t-14-and development, equipment, where will you go? brought you everything)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

1) until the car is completed, you can get a problem at any time,

The engine, suspension and AZ are just licked, what else?

Quote: Barberry25

) there are no problems with the production of components, but there is a production process

What is this for? Immediately they are crucified, not you, that there is not enough money. And the design of tanks implies quick assembly and disassembly of equipment.

Quote: Barberry25

we are talking about the entire family of tanks, in order to eventually get more powerful equipment in a short time.

Which family of tanks? The T-72-80-90 is not one family, the T-90M is definitely.

Quote: Barberry25

and about the t-14-and development, equipment, where will you go?

The mastering of tanks is going on in the training unit, schools and for them tanks in full equipment can already be assembled, since their number is small. And what about the equipment?
I will write again, a tank in iron can be retrofitted with electronics, if not in a linear workshop, but at a tank repair plant for sure. And a tank with only a command panorama, or only a sight or without a KAZ is still a combat-ready tank. But all the most sophisticated electronics and optics and KAZ without a tank are just wildly expensive rubbish.

[Barberry25]

1) what is the point in riveting hulls if the current process of their production also meets the needs for the assembly of tanks?
2) Suppose that we act "brilliantly stupid" and put into production the ersatz version of the T-14 ... And then what? as planned? And yes, not a single tank repair plant will undertake the alteration of a new tank, They first need to send employees for training, get access, etc., etc., to put it simply, all the fuss will not cost a damn, since the tanks seem to be delivered, but they will not be capable of fighting. so also, by their accelerated delivery, we will stimulate NATO to speed up the delivery of their new tanks, and they will deliver them in FULL complete set ... Even during the Second World War, no one is such nonsense as "let's put a half-finished tank into a series and then bring it to mind "did not study

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

disassemble the tank and put what is supposed to be done according to the plan?

Everything is clear, but I’m crucifying.

[Barberry25]

and you don’t be cruel, but think that you are writing, otherwise it’s nonsense about “let them put tanks without a KAZ, without sights, it's a tank after all! local kulibins will then install radars themselves, and you can also supply ships without radars and rocket launchers ... they will still remain ships! and then drive them back to the plant and let them put them ... well, when they decide ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

and then the nonsense about "let them put tanks without a KAZ, without sights, this is a tank after all

The vast majority of Russian tanks are without KAZ.
This is nonsense:

Quote: Barberry25

we will also stimulate NATO to speed up the delivery of their new tanks by their accelerated delivery.

And this is just ignorance of either the basics of repair or the military modernization of the BTT:

Quote: Barberry25

disassemble the tank and put what is supposed to be done according to the plan? And yes, not a single tank repair plant will undertake the alteration of a new tank.

What a rework ?! What kind of disassembly ?! Tanks are adapted for the fastest possible repair, which means that it is necessary to remove, and if necessary, cut, and set up sights, survey optics and sensors, and even more so, KAZ is obliged to regular repair shops.

Quote: Barberry25

Even during the Second World War, no one was engaged in such nonsense as "let's put a semi-finished tank into a series and then bring it to mind"

You don't know a damn thing about that either.
How does it not reach you that the mechanical, iron part of the Armata is ready and licked, and saturating the finished housings with electronics and optics, with installed communications, this is a matter within the competence of tank repair plants, and not just the only tank plant in the country.

[Barberry25]

and for the sake of what incomprehensible crap? for the sake of a theoretical gain in the form of 1 battalion? and the extra 50-70 million for one tank is probably a penny?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

the iron part can already be driven grossly. It's much easier to stuff it with electronics later.

And turn on the "smart"? For "pieces of iron" you still have to pay money, if you got them ...! And what do you think turns out? there are "pieces of iron", the money is "consolidated"; and the tanks are dumb! And secondly, there is such an "experience": if you put some equipment "in storage", then when you need it, you have to start with the "restoration stage"!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And turn on the "mind"?

Consideration is needed to wade through your verbal mess.

[Nikolaevich I]

So turn it on! And why are you with the "off", "pushing through"?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

So turn it on! And why are you with the "off", "pushing through"?

So for a start you cook your "porridge" better, and not just at random.

[tralflot1832]

Let them be calm, everything is fine with the money, the state will receive from Gazprom this year, in addition to taxes, $ 7 billion in devident shares per share, and there will be enough for Armata for SU 57 with Zircons and Sarmats.

[AnderS]

the state this year will receive from Gazprom, in addition to taxes, $ 7 billion in devident shares for shares

It will receive what it will receive, and how many subsidies will it allocate to Gazprom, for "depletion of deposits", for "support due to sanctions", and so on. counted?

[tralflot1832]

Gazprom this year alone will spend $ 1 billion from its funds on the investment program.

[AnderS]

Gazprom this year alone will spend $ 1 billion from its funds on the investment program.

and where will it invest? To the northern and other streams? And how much will the Russian people benefit from such "investments"?

[tralflot1832]

Read what, gasification is not in the last place. They have already finished with flows.

[Skipper]

The West from the United States and the internal ghouls in Russia always give out their illusions ... desires and wishes for reality, and therefore if something is not done with lightning speed in Russia, then immediately roll on Western sanctions and blow in your ears about how the West bends Russia.

[rocket757]

Suppose the Western sanctions have shown where we are thin and can break!
A double edged sword!
If in our minds, we will correct, thicken and show, subsequently, to everyone that we have Kuzma's mother and if we presented her to them, they will not like it very much!

[Yrec]

The car was built entirely from scratch. Naturally, her tests will be lengthy. Plus, the requirements of the Ministry of Defense are changing and you also need to adapt to them.

[kostavit]

Object-477, Object-775 and Object-640 are experimental tanks of domestic designers, which never went into production. But their unusual solutions became the basis for the development of the newest combat vehicle of the Russian army "Armata". Who benefits you? Are they the same ignorant? Sorry for the harshness, but you can't mislead people. It's a shame for the designers who laid the foundations for the T-14. And you should definitely remember Object 195!

[bashkir]

Plus those who minus you. You take too much on yourself, calling people ignorant. And yes, the presence of other projects that were the forerunner of the T-14 is not a guarantee that there will be no problems with the T-14, which must be identified and eliminated. And yet, the objects you listed were conceptual prototypes of the T-14, but not constructive. Therefore, the expression "from scratch" is very appropriate here.

[bashkir]

I would like to receive a detailed answer from the minusers. Or can we just press the buttons?

[kostavit]

Unfortunately, the predecessors of the T-14 are not that important now. More important than the words of Yuri Borisov: the Armata tank and the Su-57 are too expensive and their mass production would now be necessary only if the existing Russian armored vehicles were critically inferior to competitors. Instead, the modernization of the T-72. I hope Borisov knows more than all the sofa experts put together. And RIA Novosti reports that state tests of the latest Russian T-14 tanks on the Armata platform should be completed in 2022. Hopefully not later.

[kostavit]

The power plant "Armata" is made on the basis of the 12N360 engine (also known designations A-85-3A and 2B-12-3A), produced by the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant "ChTZ-Uraltrak". Curiously, the engine is several years older than the universal platform. According to some reports, such an engine was created for the promising Object 195 tank, but this project did not progress beyond testing. https://topwar.ru/181987-platforma-armata-i-ee-dvigatel.htmlhttps://topwar.ru/181987-platforma-armata-i-ee-dvigatel.html

[bashkir]

"The power plant of the" Armata "is made on the basis of the 12N360 engine", probably it is Yes, Okay. On power not special.
"It is curious that the engine is several years older than the universal platform."
And what is there to be surprised at, "performance characteristics for the future" first came up with a designer, and then the military pulled up their Wishlist. That was the time when they began to work for the future "maybe they will notice)))"

[venik]

Quote: Yrec

The car was built entirely from scratch. Naturally, her tests will be lengthy.

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I would even say more: there are generally a bunch of new solutions that have never been used in our (and even in the world) tank building before! And who knows HOW these decisions will behave in the future? So they drive cars in a variety of conditions. And rightly so. The good news is that the tests are on schedule: it means principal there were no problems, and those that do arise are promptly eliminated!

[bashkir]

I support. A bunch of new solutions is just a phrase. There EVERYTHING is new. Who does not know, he does not know. Therefore, it constitutes a state secret.

[Stepan S]

The reasons for this are various, up to the lack of funds for the purchase of new equipment "because of the sanctions."

Serious reason is called "our partners". There is already nowhere to store the reserve fund from all these sanctions, even the colonels' apartments have to be rented for storage, so there will definitely be enough money.

[AnderS]

There is already nowhere to store the reserve fund from all these sanctions, even the colonels' apartments have to be rented for storage,

"There" is where, can you tell me? And also educate, please, why add something to this reserve fund at all?

[75 Sergey]

That is why, at first, we only advertise equipment that is only going to be tested, because their result may be such that it will not be suitable for operation?
Maybe the PR should have already been put into production?

[Rubi0]

Why us? This is a global trend. The states have not yet made a layout and are already showing sketches of what kind of super hypersonic rocket they will have.

[T.A.V.]

I wonder if he visited Syria?

[Zaurbek]

I would like to see the 2a82 gun on the T90M tanks

[Dimon-chik-79]

You did not notice that from year to year the same thing repeats itself, that at 15, at 16, at 18, and today they hang on our ears that next year there will certainly be a serial production of T-14, SU-57, MS-21, IL-114, etc., etc., now they promise to release the same chess soon. But everything is dragging on, plans are thwarted, no one bears responsibility for this. And it is not surprising that many foreign partners simply refuse to cooperate, but yes, we are losing India, we are losing Egypt, and this is a loss not only for our economy, but also for defense.

[Disant]

they hang on our ears that next year

it is not for us, but for them, first of all, for their ears.
everyone to whom we understand everything, wait and do not rush.

[Dimon-chik-79]

no matter whose ears! The need for new types of weapons is ours!

[Yrec]

Quote: kostavit

Object-477, Object-775 and Object-640 are experimental tanks of domestic designers, which never went into production. But their unusual solutions became the basis for the development of the newest combat vehicle of the Russian army "Armata". Who benefits you? Are they the same ignorant? Sorry for the harshness, but you can't mislead people. It's a shame for the designers who laid the foundations for the T-14. And you should definitely remember Object 195!

It was necessary to start the transfer from MS-1. You, apparently, have a bad idea of ​​the development of a tank (and, in general, it does not matter, any machine) from a conceptual idea to mass production. Therefore, they pulled on "objects" that were practically unrelated to each other. I have a higher technical education and I was engaged in the development of mobile systems (not tanks) from concept to implementation. Divorced sofa experts who compare figures in performance characteristics. What unites your "objects"? The fact that they are not suitable for mass production.

[Sands Careers General]

Received when received. It makes no sense to rivet them like hotcakes, given that the army is already full of tanks.