The Libyan revolution reached its ideologues (anti-American actions throughout the Muslim world)

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Strange deja vu must have been experienced by those people who saw the image of the American ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, which had been replicated by AFP, which was being dragged away by a crowd of people. As recently as last October, the whole world was discussing amazingly similar shots made in Libya. Only the protagonist was the overthrown Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Is bitter irony stories still has a place to be. So then do not believe in fatalism and the irony of fate ...

11 September 2012, the American ambassador to Libya Stevens arrived in the so-called eastern capital of new Libya - the city of Benghazi. His arrival from the diplomatic mission of the United States, located in Tripoli, was timed to the opening of the cultural center. However, instead of the cultural action in the city, a real bloody drama broke out, the causes of which are still the subject of wide discussion.

The original version, which is considered official, looks like this. In Benghazi, thousands of people took to the streets for a rally, which was organized so that local Muslims expressed their indignation at the recently released film by the American director Sam Besil “The Innocence of Muslims” or “Mohammed, the Prophet of Muslims”. The trailer for this film can now be found on the vast expanses of the Internet. In his film, Basil decided to show the Prophet Muhammad the most real asocial type, which leads in fact an immoral way of life, is gay and calls on his supporters to violence. It is reported that one of the co-authors of this clearly scandalous film is the equally scandalous pastor Terry Jones, who once had time to cause resentment of Muslims to himself by having publicly burned the Quran. The pastor himself says that the film was shot not at all to discredit Muslims, but to show the “destructiveness” of their religion ... Director Basil said that the film was shot with the money of a certain Jewish community in the USA and shows that “Muslim faith is a cancer "...

For obvious reasons, a new insulting attack on Islam by certain US citizens caused a real storm of indignation throughout the Muslim world. Benghazi was among those cities where it was decided to hold a speech against the release of the movie “The Innocence of Muslims” in the rental and in general against the very idea of ​​attacking the Islamic faith.

The initial information from Benghazi was reduced to the fact that the crowd, infuriated after the information processing, literally rushed to the American consulate, where by tragic accident was Ambassador Chris Stevens. What exactly happened inside the building of the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi is not reported, but the victim of this entire action was the American ambassador, who died on the way to one of the local hospitals. According to the Associated Press, the cause of death was severe asphyxia. Dr. Abu Zeid said that this reason may be related to carbon monoxide poisoning.
If we consider all the events described in Benghazi, it turns out that the ambassador was the victim of the crowd by pure chance. This is the version that the American authorities put forward. They say that the “peaceful” Libyans, who had finally ’democratised themselves definitively since October of last year, didn’t intend to kill Chris Stevens at all. They say that this is all a fatal accident, connected exclusively with the protests of civilians, who “made some little noise”, as a result of which Mr. Stevens became an accidental victim.

It is obvious that such official explanations only fueled interest in the tragedy, especially from American citizens from among Republican supporters. The pro-republican press in the United States described the tragedy in Benghazi as a complete failure of the policy of the current American administration.

After a detailed study of personnel with the very "peaceful" Islamic demonstrations in the second most significant Libyan city, it turned out that among the "peaceful" Libyans there were suspiciously many people in whose hands were machine guns and grenade launchers. This makes it possible to say that the attack on the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi was fairly well planned. Obviously, the demonstration itself for certain forces served only as a background. The background on which the main action was unfolding was the murder of an American diplomat. And after all, the militants have thought everything over to the smallest detail: the organization of the action against the film directed by Besil is one, the indignant crowd is two, the arrival of the US ambassador to Benghazi is three. Indeed, everything looks like a fatal accident, but for coincidence there are too many coincidences.

It should be noted that Chris Stevens is a man who at the time of the start of the revolution in Libya was the main functionary of the United States in his plans to connect the American authorities with the armed opposition. In fact, Stevens can be considered a key figure who provided direct assistance to armed anti-government forces in Libya to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. The opposition, as is known, overthrew Gaddafi (not without the help of the United States). Frames with a bloody colonel, whom a crowd raging with delight drags somewhere along the streets of the city, saw billions of people around the world. But here - they dealt with Gaddafi ... American democracy in Libya triumphed ... Freedom of speech, human rights and everything else ... And again we see a person on the screens with blood on the head and lips that Libyans are dragging somewhere ... Only this person - “The winner”, the ideological inspirer of the Libyan people, who aimed this people to fight the “bloody tyrant” Gaddafi. As the saying goes, "and everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds ..." Yes, not to subtract, not to add.

Apparently, the American political elites who started the car of regional revolutions did not know well how these revolutions usually ended. If they sat down at least for school textbooks on the history of world revolutions, they would see that very often a revolution is inclined to grind not only those against whom it was organized, but then also those who organized it. The case of US ambassador Chris Stevens is a good example.

Washington, realizing that he was in a very ambiguous position, began to look for ways to solve the emerging problem. On the one hand, the Obama administration cannot abandon the “democratic achievements” in Libya by calling the victorious terrorist rabble, but on the other hand, it (the administration) will have to demonstrate its readiness to defend the “democratic values ​​won by the Libyan people.” Apparently, it was to protect such “values” that two American warships (destroyers McFaul and Laboon), fifty marines from the FAST unit (special forces soldiers designed to protect American diplomatic missions), unmanned aerial vehicles and the FBI investigation team were sent to Benghazi. UAVs and FBI agents, according to Washington's plan, will have to identify the organizers of the action and the direct killers of Christopher Stevens ... Now the announcement that the terrorists who attacked the American consulate in Benghazi have been found is a matter of honor for the current US President Obama.

By the way, it will not be surprising if in the near future we are presented with a photo of a certain terrorist who was accompanied by the text that it was he who 11 of September 2012 had killed the American ambassador to Libya, strangling him with carbon monoxide. And now, they say, this outcast, whom the Libyan democratic people literally cursed for killing the ambassador of a friendly state, was destroyed by American marines in his closet, well, or in the bedroom ... Then the body of this man will be dumped into the sea. And again deja vu ...

It is obvious that after this, the current American president may again crawl up the rating. But this growth is really very necessary for Obama today ... So, both Republicans and Democrats can play Ambassador Stevens’s card in the United States today.

And the closer the elections are in the most democratic country in the world, the more terrible it becomes from such a democracy ...

PS While this material was being prepared, information was received that the wave of anti-American actions literally overwhelmed the Muslim world. They attacked not only the diplomatic mission in Libya, but also the US embassies in Egypt and Yemen. In the city of Sana'a (Yemen), at least one person was killed as a result of pogroms, several were seriously injured. Around the US Embassy building burned cars of American diplomats. By the way, Yemen is another country of the "victorious" democracy, to which the Americans put their hand.

More than five hundred people picket the embassy of Switzerland in the capital of Iran. The Embassy of Switzerland was not chosen by chance: it is this country that represents the interests of the United States in Tehran today.

The grindstones of the Arab revolutions spun in full swing, but in the opposite direction.
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  1. +75
    14 September 2012 09: 02
    At least someone from those who let gin out of the bottle fell back on completely.
    Considering who squeezed the under-mattress ambassador, the latter was lucky that he was not put on a stake before the consulate.
    PS I would like to soon see similar shots with Gila Clitors in the title role.
    1. Redpartyzan
      +40
      14 September 2012 09: 12
      May everyone be rewarded according to his deeds, the very words in the article are given. It’s a pity, of course, as a person, but if you play a dangerous game, be prepared to pay the highest price if you lose. Paid ...
    2. mongoose
      -5
      14 September 2012 09: 17
      no, I don’t understand what Muslims don’t like? did not the one whom they consider to be a prophet allow them to be bestiality? or not "e..l" 9-year-old Aisha? laughing
      in addition, Muslims themselves were noted in the destruction of other people's shrines and insulting the Christian Faith, so that a retaliatory strike is natural
      1. +35
        14 September 2012 09: 25
        Quote: mongoose

        no, I don’t understand what Muslims don’t like? did not the one whom they consider to be a prophet allow them to be bestiality? or not "e..l" 9-year-old Aisha?

        If you wouldn’t go into religion, a respected, characteristic example for you in photography. You have a well-deserved minus.
      2. +28
        14 September 2012 09: 33
        mongoose sorry brother join Romanov. Minus. Do not pour kerosene where it is not necessary.

        you see it yourself. that the word sometimes shoots harder than the gun.
        1. +7
          14 September 2012 12: 43
          Sparrow, about kerosene, although off topic. The familiar pilot, now a senior citizen, was telling. Not far from their airfield on the collective farm, a club caught fire. there’s no part, it’s far from the district center, they contacted the military, they sent a car from the airfield, began to extinguish, such a firework began. It turned out that the guys prepared fuel for export to the tank, but they didn’t tell the changers, apparently greedy.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +8
            14 September 2012 13: 06
            Quote: sergey32
            about kerosene, although off topic.


            The namesake, hello! I confirm, there were many such cases, especially in the dashing 90s !!! bully +! drinks
        2. mongoose
          +1
          17 September 2012 08: 26
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LytE1DH-BhE
          do you speak kerosene? he is already poured and not by us
      3. +30
        14 September 2012 09: 41
        Quote: mongoose
        didn’t allow them zoophilia? or not "e..l" 9-year-old Aisha

        Just did not allow it! Do not take the sectarian scumbags - which distort the concept of Islam. (Christians also have them) - and it’s generally not necessary to provoke people on the site — here different nationalities communicate. about the 9 year old is the same.
        1. mongoose
          0
          20 September 2012 11: 16
          Kotdavinci you probably didn’t read the Koran
    3. +32
      14 September 2012 09: 23
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      PS I would like to soon see similar shots with Gila Clitors in the title role

      I hope to see such a report from the United States soon, sowing the wind, reaping death. And this is just the beginning!
      1. Imyaerogliff
        +14
        14 September 2012 10: 07
        May this bright day come soon !!!
        1. +1
          17 September 2012 20: 19
          Not soon before these bright days, right now the jackals will take security measures for the most do not spoil, but the message reached the whole world, they are not gods ... And even when you pour a bucket of gasoline in the room, it is not a fact that your legs will not light up ...
      2. Denzel13
        +7
        14 September 2012 11: 20
        If they logically continue the line chosen by official Washington, then they should send an even more significant official of the state apparatus to Libya - to show that "everything is fine with us," "democracy is flourishing." Maybe the truth will send Clinton - but dreams.
      3. +7
        14 September 2012 16: 27
        Something this S_U_Chka is silent about this incident. I heard about freedom and human rights in the Arab East ... Now I suppose I’m thinking ... They told them, freaks, don’t go to the East with your de_rmokraty ... In the same way, in 2005, Putin spoke about the events in Uzbekistan, “nobody of you does not understand the internal processes that take place there. " Only here Karimov, a downright prostitute, did not appreciate the support of the GDP and went back to P_I_Ndos ...
    4. +23
      14 September 2012 09: 24
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Considering who squeezed the under-mattress ambassador, the latter was lucky that he was not put on a stake before the consulate. PS I would like to soon see similar shots with Gila Clitors in the title role.


      In addition to your words, Sergei, I want to remind you that Clinton smiled when all the news channels showed the mockery of the crowd at Gaddafi. She stated that such a fate awaits any "dictator" (read the head of an independent state objectionable to the American regime).
      Now let him smile, looking at the last moments of the life of the American ambassador and think about his fate. What goes around comes around. Americans sow hatred all over the world, and here they reap the benefits.
      Hatred of the USA is cultivated by the USA itself, suppressing the independence of other countries and bringing them "freedom and democracy" by bombing.
      1. Ortrega
        +4
        14 September 2012 18: 32
        Quote: 1tankist
        US hatred is cultivated by the USA itself, suppressing the independence of other countries

        If you have a million slaves afraid of you, then you have a million enemies that you must be afraid of.
    5. +4
      14 September 2012 10: 45
      For that fought for it and ran
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +9
        14 September 2012 13: 09
        Quote: Rustam
        For that fought for it and ran


        Rustam, I greet you +! .. Yes, to repay "everyone" for their "works" ........ what they sowed, they reap ... now .... request
    6. seal7887
      +12
      14 September 2012 12: 08
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      At least someone from those who let gin out of the bottle fell back on completely.

      It backfired, but there is nothing to rejoice at, it seems to me. Do you really think that these "Libyan terrorists" killed this ambassador on their own initiative? I'm 200% sure that they are directed and controlled from Washington. And all these "Muslim disturbances" in other countries are organized and controlled from there. The only thing that I do not yet fully understand the ultimate goal of this action, but it is possible that indeed, as it is written in the article, these are banal showdowns for the presidency between the American clans. If so, then we are unlikely to see Clintonich in the role of a victim (at this level, physical violence is too problematic even for them), but individuals with a lower rank (like this ambassador) will probably still be used up.
      1. +3
        14 September 2012 17: 00
        We will not see Clintonich as a victim, even if Washington does not have a hand. She is impudent, but she is not stupid to go where it is dangerous. She can only come from a safe distance.
      2. +8
        14 September 2012 19: 19
        The purpose of such provocations is to anger Muslims to the extremes to force to attack and destroy everything European, and even better everything Christian. It is necessary to prepare public opinion in Europe and America, to convince of the inevitability of war with the Muslim world. The more Muslims have such reactions, the better it is for Western rulers, it is easier to convince the backward elector of the need for such a war - but this war will not be the same as before, but total for the destruction of Muslim peoples and the seizure of liberated lands! Therefore: they try to bring radicals, religious fanatics to power so that they, by their actions, more quickly give rise to the West to aggression IMHO.
        1. Ataturk
          +4
          14 September 2012 20: 22
          Quote: meta
          The purpose of such provocations is to anger Muslims to the extremes to force to attack and destroy everything European, and even better everything Christian.

          quite right and they will have a reason to start a war with Muslims.
          1. +1
            15 September 2012 02: 52
            Omar! waiting for an answer ! unfortunately the admins once again deleted all comments as if this could solve the question sorry what I am writing here but this is the first where I found you
            1. Ataturk
              0
              15 September 2012 08: 40
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Omar! waiting for an answer ! unfortunately the admins once again deleted all comments as if this could solve the question sorry what I am writing here but this is the first where I found you


              Hi Ruslan. Everything is fine. What question are you waiting for an answer to? My position on the Karabakh problem?
      3. Kshatriy
        0
        17 September 2012 22: 43
        Quote: seal7887
        This is a banal showdown for the presidency between the American clans.

        The chair has long been divided ..... elections in pin-dostan -fars and polit.show ....
    7. Nir
      Nir
      -5
      14 September 2012 13: 01
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      At least someone from those who let gin out of the bottle fell back on completely.

      May I ask you? And how did the ambassador as a person as a family man and just a person, as they put it, deserve this retribution? Than? You dear, it seems he has already been condemned for all the US leprosy in Libya? So don’t judge and not be judged, and by what court you judge the same and be given to you.
      ps
      I personally bring deep condolences to the families of the deceased diplomats. And you advice be human beings and not monkeys.
      1. +10
        14 September 2012 13: 25
        Quote: Nir
        May I ask you? And how did the ambassador as a person as a family man and just a person, as they put it, deserve this retribution? Than? You dear, it seems he has already been condemned for all the US leprosy in Libya? So don’t judge and not be judged, and by what court you judge the same and be given to you.
        ps
        I personally bring deep condolences to the families of the deceased diplomats. And you advice be human beings and not monkeys.


        One must be a man to those who deserve it. And that cutie who is carried in dead form by the conductors of democratic freedoms to Libya, also advocated democratization ... well, he was not lucky that he was screwed up first ... it happens, most importantly, that everything is democratic in Libya now.
        By the way, when they mocked Gaddafi’s body in the same way, democracy advocates emitted joyful wow ... so it’s all right, according to his deserts ... I tell him he was lucky, they could put him on the stake, and they squeezed quite humanely ... and family .. well, yes, no luck ... although I didn’t hear any words of condolences when the grandchildren of Gaddafi were killed, therefore my opinion died Nicodemus of Fashington, let’s say friendly H.ren with him!
        1. Nir
          Nir
          -9
          14 September 2012 13: 40
          Quote: Sakhalininets

          Sakhalininsk

          Then how do you yourself differ from those
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          champions of democracy emitted joyful wow ...
          ?
          I think if you think so by anything. I am writing about a person and not a system or a state ... but a person has died.
          1. slas
            +9
            14 September 2012 14: 37
            Quote: Nir
            I am writing about a person and not a system or state

            Et as it is favorable to you and write? Do not make yourself pope and mother Teresa
            1. Nir
              Nir
              -3
              14 September 2012 14: 56
              Quote: slas
              Et as it is favorable to you and write? Do not make yourself pope and mother Teresa

              Hehe me to holiness as to Uranus on Lada Kalina wink But at the same time, in order to be just a person and understand what is "bad" and what is "good" to be the Pope of Rome, I do not have to express my sickness in connection with death and do not accept mocking comments of some in connection with the death of strangers, although not attractive citizens USA because I am not exalted Hillary and others like them. wink
              1. slas
                +3
                14 September 2012 15: 30
                Quote: Nir
                I do not accept mocking comments of which, in connection with the death of strangers, although not attractive US citizens

                UW R&D was not the first thing we started, but we will have the last word. And in connection with what happened in Libya, you need to understand that what you say about
                Quote: Nir
                And how did the ambassador as a person as a family man and just a person, as they put it, deserve this retribution? Than? You dear, it seems he has already been condemned for all the US leprosy in Libya?

                when discussing in his (ambassador's) face, the whole Ame-ry-ko-skunsky state answers. I understand that our opinions are on your side (but we are parallel), but your advice is similar in your arguments to that vegetarian who died of hunger because of the plants in his opinion, you can’t eat and they are alive and have a soul. So you don’t be upset
              2. Ortrega
                +5
                14 September 2012 18: 38
                Quote: Nir
                I express my condolences in connection with death and do not accept mocking comments of some in connection with the death of strangers, though not attractive US citizens, because I am not exalted by Hilary and others like them.

                And when Gaddafi was executed, or Hussein, did you express condolences?
            2. +3
              14 September 2012 14: 59
              Quote: slas
              Et as it is favorable to you and write?

              I support! It is both more profitable and writes.
          2. +8
            14 September 2012 15: 53
            Quote: Nir
            I think if you think so by anything. I am writing about a person and not a system or a state ... but a person has died.


            We’ll all die, someone sooner and someone later ... So don’t have to squeeze a snotty tear about this death ....
            Over in Syria every day for the money that American diplomats carry to children, the elderly, women cut their heads and you do not broadcast something about the universal tragedy.
            1. Nir
              Nir
              -3
              14 September 2012 16: 55
              Quote: Sakhalininets
              So do not crush a snotty tear about the death of this ....

              And no one is pushing, just giving advice not to fall to the level of Clinton, but apparently this is not for you, so to speak, you don’t understand wink
              Quote: mark021105
              Myself say it in the mirror ...

              every morning I remind myself not to turn into someone like you lol
          3. F117
            +1
            15 September 2012 21: 28
            Try to write for each person! Who died in Syria (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan - your choice). This is a war, and in a war "the forest is cut - the chips fly." Something few intercessors were for Gaddafi, who, in terms of politics and economics, could bring his state to the rank of a North African and Mediterranean power (a la GDP). They just didn’t allow it to be completed. And then some kind of ambassador, some kind of the United States.
          4. +1
            15 September 2012 21: 29
            Joyful wow, for information, Khilai published, looking at the footage of the assassination of Gaddafi
      2. +2
        14 September 2012 16: 28
        Quote: Nir
        And you advice be human beings and not monkeys.


        Myself say it in the mirror ...
      3. +4
        14 September 2012 17: 03
        How do you write nicely !!!!!!!!!!!
        Then why did the United States take the right to judge others? And not just judge, but impose your will with fire and sword?
      4. Belarusian
        0
        15 September 2012 17: 08
        Thank God! There are adequate people !!!!!! + I join !!!!! drinks
    8. +1
      14 September 2012 13: 15
      The cat scraped into its ridge hi
    9. Bashkaus
      +3
      14 September 2012 21: 15
      Read the article carefully! in the Russian language, the Goodwill Ambassador died of asphyxia, whether it was carbon monoxide, or something else inserted in one place at the most smooth thereby blocking air access, the FBI group will be sorted out with the support of 500 fur seals and two warships.
    10. Neutral
      +13
      14 September 2012 22: 05

      "I had the honor to serve the Libyan opposition as the American representative during the revolution, to watch with trepidation (elation) as the Libyan people defend their rights. Now I am very happy to return to Libya to continue the great work that we have started ..."

      Even a dog that has served the owner faithfully deserves a few kind words, no matter who the owner is. And Mr. Stevens is still not a dog, but a staff member of the US State Department.

      It turns out you need to.
      Well.


      He had the honor... http://www.gazeta.ru/news/lastnews/2011/05/01/n_1819133.shtml

      He knew the trembling of delight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8KGT17-okM

      He was very happy http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=553560
      and died
      continuing the great work http://warsonline.info/siriya/liviyskie-naemniki-treniruiut-siriyskich-boevikov.

      html,
      which started.

      Not everyone has such a luck.
      1. slas
        +1
        15 September 2012 07: 46
        Quote: Neutral
        He knew a tremor of delight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8KGT17-okM

        Well hto doubted?
    11. phantom359
      0
      14 September 2012 23: 05
      Sakhalininsk,
      I fully agree with you. Wanted democracy in Libyan - get it.
  2. Trance
    +21
    14 September 2012 09: 03
    It is a great sin to mock faith and faith. I won’t be surprised if, among us, those who bow up to worship crosses begin to lynch people right at the crime scene. Believers thank God we have remained.
    1. Ataturk
      +4
      14 September 2012 11: 26
      Quote: Trance
      It is a great sin to mock faith and faith.


      The main thing is that it’s a pity that they don’t write who wrote the script and who financed this video. That is the question.

      The author of the film “Innocence of Muslims” is Sam Basil, an American of Jewish passage. Some “5 Jews”, whose names he refused to divulge, were given him $ 100 million to create the film. The producer was Pastor Terry Jones, who had already publicly burned the Koran in the United States several times. The film mimics the life of the prophet Muhammad, who is depicted as a child molester, womanizer and a ruthless killer. Basil says he showed Islam as a religion full of hate.


      Again, the Zionists muddied the water. Everything goes to the point that there will be a war of religions and no matter how deplorable it looks, the Zionists are on the sidelines, and their sixes will fight.

      Cool. It is also necessary to be able to.


      BUT VILLAIN IS EVEN BETTER FORWARD

      According to the Associated Press, Sam Bacile, the author of the scandalous movie, said that he regrets the death of Americans in Libya, but blames not himself, but the weak security of the consulate.

      He calls himself an American Jew and claims that more than a hundred donors from the Jewish community gave money for the production of the film. In his opinion, the film was filmed in order to "expose Islam" in the Middle East region.


      I have a question for the Hebrews. Why they will not arrange a revolution seeing this achrine?
      There are normal Jews, why are they silent? Why do not they say that it all stopped? Why do they not understand that some of the Nazis are doing everything to hate Jews around the world.

      Why are you silent?
      1. Ataturk
        +9
        14 September 2012 12: 07
        This is scum, the author of the film.



        I’ll go and print his pictures and I’ll hang him in the toilet, and I’ll wipe my ass off his mug !!!
        Scum!
        1. Yarbay
          +6
          14 September 2012 12: 08
          This is not the moron who burned the Koran and killed representatives of the UN in Afghanistan ???
          1. Ataturk
            +1
            14 September 2012 12: 17
            Quote: Yarbay
            This is not the moron who burned the Koran and killed representatives of the UN in Afghanistan ???


            This is him. The same san of bitch !!!
            1. Odessa
              +5
              14 September 2012 12: 22
              Ataturk,
              This is him. The same san of bitch !!!

              Outwardly not pleasant, some kind of drunk or what ?! wassat
              1. Ataturk
                +6
                14 September 2012 12: 29
                Quote: Odessa
                Outwardly not pleasant, some kind of drunk or what ?!

                The gallows cries on it.



                И



                DO NOT SORRY, VERY EDUCATIONAL !!
                1. Karish
                  +3
                  14 September 2012 22: 02
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  The gallows cries on it.

                  Ataturk, remember your statements about Islam and violence. Killing is easy, re-educating or explaining is difficult
                  1. Ataturk
                    0
                    14 September 2012 23: 54
                    Quote: Karish
                    Ataturk, remember your statements about Islam and violence.

                    There are things that cannot be forgiven. For me, my faith, my religion, my family, my country, all that I have listed is the most sacred for me, there is no forgiveness.
                    1. Karish
                      +2
                      15 September 2012 00: 01
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      There are things that cannot be forgiven. For me, my faith, my religion, my family, my country, all that I have listed is the most sacred for me, there is no forgiveness.

                      You can forgive everything (almost everything, if only it can not concern the family). If you watched film 13 (Mikhalkov), then Gaft is there, he said a wonderful phrase. .- It happens, everything happens.
                      1. Ataturk
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 00: 08
                        Quote: Karish
                        If you watched the movie 13

                        You see uv. Karish, in Azerbaijan, the family is sacred, it is not even discussed. Further, after the Karabakh problem, love for the country, patriotism is propagated in our country in the most severe form, God forbid desecration of anything concerning our country, this is also punished severely. Just Karish, if you do not respect yourself, your faith, your religion, your country, others will begin to defile it. And when you give zvizdyule then they quiet down.

                        Alas, in the modern world I understand only the language of power. Concepts and all that are in the past. Only power.
                      2. Karish
                        +3
                        15 September 2012 08: 48
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Alas, in the modern world I understand only the language of power. Concepts and all that are in the past. Only power.

                        Dear Ataturk.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        in our country, in the most severe form, love for the country, patriotism,

                        I - for, only the wording - in the most severe form, I do not like. You can’t love from under the stick, it’s in the shower and drive it is not possible. I look at similar comments by Alikbek. Everything seems to be the same, but without violence. Love should be without violence.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Just Karish, if you do not respect yourself, your faith, your religion, your country, others will begin to defile it

                        These things are not related.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        And when you give zvizdyule then they quiet down.

                        Silent, n, yes .... And as I understand it, they immediately love and respect you, faith, country, etc.
                        I doubt it. I myself live in a region with a high level of violence. Silence - yes, respect - the same thing yes, love - never.
                      3. Ataturk
                        0
                        15 September 2012 09: 02
                        Quote: Karish
                        I - for, only the wording - in the most severe form, I do not like.


                        Or I didn’t put it right or I was misunderstood. I wanted to say that, in the Azerbaijani society, there are big changes. For example.

                        Our people, in the old days, was famous for their hospitality. Fortunately, this remains. We did not have cruelty. Rather, they would have done everything to the guest than their own.

                        After Karabakh, namely the Armenians, in us created those whom you saw the situation with Ramil Syafyarov. To put it more precisely, there is no mercy for the enemies than it is possible, as possible, to achieve the goal. We have created patriots in the most severe form. We were not forced, no, we ourselves became such when we saw the deceitful and hypocritical face of world powers. No fear! There is only hatred of enemies. Even though there will be 10 Armenia, even with the size of their army half a million, this will not stop us to start a war. And sooner or later we will start a war.

                        Many experts did not expect to see patriotism in such an ardent form. I love my country and love my people, I will not allow anyone to say anything about my country. I am currently abroad, I am going home soon, but if someone tells me something about my country, I will repeat the story with Safarov.

                        Can you imagine how great hatred of Armenians is, what our women say, they would strangle them with their bare hands. This is not good, it cannot be fixed, they have one chance to return our lands, or they will really regret it !!!!

                        More precisely, 90% of our people are all Ramil Safarovs. Identical. And Russia should stand in the neutral direction, because there is nothing for the Russian guys to suffer.
                        In fact, we show that we are not afraid of anyone, no one will stop us. Unless the nuclear bomb can be stopped, then it is in question. We will no longer offend our country. And each person who will be in trouble, our president helps him out!
                      4. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 09: 38
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Our people, in the old days, was famous for their hospitality. Fortunately, this remains. We did not have cruelty. Rather, they would have done everything to the guest than their own.

                        I have wonderful friends, 2 couples from Baku, it is simply not possible to find more pleasant, hospitable and well-mannered people.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        After Karabakh, namely the Armenians, in us created those whom you saw

                        What the Armenians have done does not raise a question for me, Karabakh is not an integral part of Azerbaijan. The war leaves its mark on the whole way of life. and for a long time everything will be divided into before and after.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        no mercy for the enemies than possible, how can achieve the goal.

                        I agree. You just need to clearly define the concept of enemies.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        We have created patriots in the most severe form. We were not forced, no, we ourselves became like that when we saw the deceitful and hypocritical face of world powers

                        Here I am about that. it’s not possible to make a patriot by force, you can become one, in general in difficult times * sleeping * inside of each of us patriotism wakes up. He was there, Ataturk, just dozing off to the occasion.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        And sooner or later we will start a war.

                        No doubt
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        but if someone here tells me something about my country, I will repeat the story with Safarov.

                        In general, I’m probably older than you and therefore more tolerant. I can understand it unambiguously and Safarov’s act does not deserve unambiguous conviction
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Can you imagine how great hatred of Armenians is, what our women say, they would strangle them with their bare hands

                        Let the showdown provide men.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        And Russia should stand in the neutral direction, because there is nothing for the Russian guys to suffer.

                        But this you will not wait. would be neutral. Karabakh would have returned to its place long ago
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        . We will no longer offend our country

                        Respect
                      5. Ataturk
                        0
                        15 September 2012 09: 44
                        Quote: Karish
                        What the Armenians have done does not raise a question for me, Karabakh is not an integral part of Azerbaijan. The war leaves its mark on the whole way of life. and for a long time everything will be divided into before and after.

                        This is more than enough for you to put a plus and shake hands and say the doors of my country are always open for you.

                        Quote: Karish
                        But this you will not wait. would be neutral. Karabakh would have returned to its place long ago

                        That is, Russia is ready to lose the radar, is ready to give up the billions that we spend on the purchase of weapons, Russia is ready to see Azerbaijan integrated into the West and for whom? Armenia where there is nothing left Armenian? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know.

                        In ANY case, thank you dear friend for your post, I reread it and it's nice that we are not alone and especially that there is justice in the world. Thank. Very nice!

                        Regards, Omar.
                      6. Karish
                        0
                        15 September 2012 09: 53
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        In ANY case, thank you dear friend for your post, I reread it and it's nice that we are not alone and especially that there is justice in the world. Thank. Very nice!

                        Good luck.
                        Tomorrow, with Alibek I will play backgammon, here it’s for sure luck will be required
                      7. 0
                        15 September 2012 16: 14
                        There are different degrees of forgiveness, agree. You can establish an extreme measure of radicalism in relation to yourself - and then you need to cut out the whole world, respected.
                      8. 0
                        15 September 2012 16: 12
                        12. Jury - 12
                      9. Karish
                        0
                        15 September 2012 16: 23
                        Quote: Pimply
                        12. Jury - 12

                        Well, added one on my own. But the game Gaft is fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      10. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 16: 55
                        Quote: Karish
                        Well, added one on my own. But the game Gaft is fantastic

                        By the way, one of my favorite films that I watched !!
                        There, in general, everyone plays super !! Makovetsky, Garmash .. no, well done !!!))
                      11. 0
                        15 September 2012 18: 14
                        Gaft played poorly there. Caricature And the end is washed away. There are a couple of good roles - the director of the cemetery and Garmash. Another doctor.
        2. Kamilla
          +2
          14 September 2012 12: 56
          Quote: Ataturk
          This is scum, the author of the film


          Omar ... he looks like an idiot (no wonder that he made such a film ... everything is clear. negative
        3. +1
          14 September 2012 15: 10
          Ataturk
          Of course, the person is obscure, but I feel that if he would have attacked the Jews, Orthodox Christians or Buddhists with the same criticism, the reaction would be somewhat different. Actually, being an atheist, I’m not going to discuss the frivolities of religion from any faith, but it seems to me that a normal person who is offended by other people's words goes to court, and does not clutch at the ax, but if the serious seriousness of Christians suddenly blows, what will Islamic world??
          1. Ataturk
            +3
            14 September 2012 16: 47
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            but I feel that if

            While I see the opposite. Alas.
          2. Belarusian
            +1
            15 September 2012 17: 19
            Then they will be kind and smiling - they will call you brother and swear in love and friendship! !!!!! wink I’m telling you as an atheist to an atheist. drinks
          3. 0
            16 September 2012 14: 12
            It will be an alarming paragraph. Just something.
        4. elenasvetlova
          +6
          14 September 2012 15: 49
          an empty skull is visible through the eyes
        5. 0
          14 September 2012 18: 46
          And hto is this in the photo?
        6. bremest
          0
          14 September 2012 22: 36
          This pastor is just a screen (a picture of the cover), and behind it are those who financed the creation of the film, and these are Jewish circles in the USA and Israel. There is a version that US Republicans are behind this film in order to harm Obama and prevent him from being re-elected for a second term.
          1. +2
            15 September 2012 16: 15
            Jewish circles are strong. For some reason, it turns out that behind this stood the Copts, actively humiliated in Egypt.
            1. kNow
              +2
              15 September 2012 16: 18
              Quote: Pimply
              For some reason, it turns out that behind this stood the Copts, actively humiliated in Egypt.

              As soon as the "spring" calms down, people will understand who played them off and they will beat the Americans. Therefore, they will try to do everything as in Libya and Iraq - it is a must-see show ...
              1. +1
                15 September 2012 18: 16
                Dear, do you really think that there were no internal reasons for this "spring"? Do you think this is the first time this happens? The Americans in most cases found themselves on the bandwagon of the outgoing trip - who in FIG needed to exchange obedient Mubarak for Islamists?
        7. vikruss
          +2
          15 September 2012 14: 19
          And for me personally, scum more resembles the one who creates shame and dirt about which this Old Man speaks. But the Old Man is actually talking about inconsistencies in Islam. ... They say we are all so peaceful and good, only facts ... facts ... and facts speak about something else. You see, ... When a 12-year-old girl is dragged into bed by a man with a beard and pray to Allah 3 times a day, in Saudi Arabia, and make her their 5th wife, and then she dies in childbirth ... this is by the way from the news VVS ... is that so Karan teaches? Or killing innocent people in the same Syria, squeak like a pig "Allah Akbar" does your Allah really get glory from such vile deeds, aren't you ashamed of your so-called brethren, for their deeds? Or maybe He i.e. Karan teaches to "fuck" your victims before you kill them .. I doubt Karan teaches this, but this is all too often in the practice of Islam_Jihad. All such scum that creates such crimes and calls itself Muslims, never knew and does not know what it means the True God is and what HE generally wants from people ... this is about this very shame this Old Man says that the affairs of Islam are far from the fact that Karan must teach ....... yes, here's another ... this stupid film this Old One did not create ... <By their deeds you will recognize them> ... said Christ. And the old man is only messenger here and no more.
          1. Yarbay
            0
            15 September 2012 14: 52
            Quote: vikruss
            When a 12_ year old girl

            Aisha’s age has a lot of data, and there are contradictions !!

            In the collections of hadiths of the most respected muhaddis, including Bukhari, Muslim, Nasai, ibn Maj, etc., as well as some historians like Tabari, there are reliable hadiths on the chain of transmitters and other indicators that Aisha at the time of marriage Muhammad was 6 years old. And she moved to his house at the age of 9 (Canan I. Kütüb-i Sitte muhtasari. C. 15. Ankara, 1995, s. 486.).

            However, this data contradicts other reliable reports from the same collections of hadiths, when a chronology of other dates associated with this information is compiled. If we take these data into account, it turns out that Aisha at the time of marriage with Muhammad was actually older. She was 12-13, 17 and even 27 years old.

            Ibn Hisham and some other historians have information that Aisha was among the first people to convert to Islam, which means that at the time of marriage she was 15 years old (Ећakir M. Hz. Ademden bugГјne kadar Islam tarihi. C. 2. Istanbul, 1993, s. 153.). In addition, some historians and researchers provide evidence that, before the Prophet, Jubair Ibn Mutim wore it and she was over 17 years old. “The fact is that many historical chronicles provide information about the sister of Aisha Asma, who died at the age of 100 in the year 73 of the hijra. This means that she was 27 years old during the Hijra (the relocation of the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina). At the same time, it is known that Aisha was 10 years younger than her. And this, in turn, means that by the time of her marriage to the prophet Muhammad she was 17 years old ”(Berki AH, Keskioglu O. Hatemul-Enbiyya MG Mhammet ve ve hayati. Ankara: 1993, s. 211).

            In the collections of the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim, there is a hadith from Aisha who says: "I was a child playing in the street when the verse from Sura Gamar was revealed to Muhammad in Mecca (46)." And this verse was revealed in the 4th year of the Meccan period of the Prophet. That is, a child of 5-6 years old can play on the street. This means that in 614 (4th year of Muhammad's prophecy in Mecca) she was about 5-6 years old. The Prophet married Aisha in 620, and after another 2 years she went to her husband. This means that in 622, when she went to the house of Muhammad, she was 13-14 years old.
            1. +1
              15 September 2012 16: 20
              It is also worth adding that the age of marriage and so on in those days was significantly lower. People lived a lot less. The traditional age of marriage in the same Europe - and in Russia afterwards, was 12 -15 years in the Middle Ages.
          2. +1
            15 September 2012 16: 17
            Allah is prayed 5 once a day. Wives may be 4.
          3. Belarusian
            +2
            15 September 2012 17: 22
            So nobody saw this fil !!! 99% of these zealots of Islam do not have a computer !!!! Wild people what do you want from them ??????
        8. 0
          16 September 2012 13: 37
          In this "most important country in the world" there are practically no normal people.
      2. +1
        14 September 2012 15: 02
        Ataturk
        this is for fans to wave red.
        U.S. federal authorities have identified a Coptic Christian from Southern California, who is on probation following his conviction for financial crimes, as the key figure behind the anti-Muslim film that sparked a wave of protests in the Islamic world and widespread violence against US embassies throughout the Middle East. This was reported to the Associated Press by an official representative of the US law enforcement system.
        According to him, the authorities concluded that 55-year-old Nakula Basseley Nakoula is behind the movie Innocence of Muslims, which contains mockery of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, which provoked a wave of protests in the beginning this week in Egypt, Libya and Yemen. It is unclear whether Nakula will be the subject of criminal prosecution or part of a broader investigation into the death of US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya. US Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed that the Department of Justice is investigating the death of the ambassador during the attack on the US mission in Benghazi.
        The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the details of the ongoing investigation, said in an interview with the Associated Press that Nakula was connected with a certain Sam Bacile, who had previously told AP correspondent that he was the screenwriter and director of the film . However, the mobile phone number from which he spoke led to the owner of the house in Southern California, where the Associated Press correspondent managed to find and interview Nakula.
        This person initially told the AP that he was Jewish and Israeli, but later Israeli officials said that such a citizen does not appear on the registry at the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Other participants in the film stated that his allegations are fiction and that in fact he is a Coptic Christian with a dubious past.
        In an interview that Nakula gave the AP outside of Los Angeles, he said that he was not making the film and that he was not Basil, but he knew him. The documents filed against Nakula in federal court in the 2010 year, when he was prosecuted, noted that he used a lot of pseudonyms, including Nicola Basil, Robert Basil, Erwin Salame and others.
        During a conversation near his home, Nakula showed his AP the driver’s license to prove to his identity, while holding a finger on his middle name - Basseley.
        An AP correspondent notes that he received the mobile phone number of a man calling himself Baisil from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian, a U.S. citizen who has advertised this anti-Muslim film on his website in recent days.
      3. +2
        14 September 2012 19: 18
        Ataturk
        The author and producer of the film found. They have nothing to do with either the Jews or the Zionists, which by the way is often not the same thing. Will apologies for misinformation and lies follow?
        1. Ataturk
          +1
          14 September 2012 20: 26
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Will apologies for misinformation and lies follow?

          But I did not blame the Jew. Never. I say I know many Jews, golden people.
          And if you thought that I blame the Jew, then you are mistaken, and if I wrote this, then I apologize of course!
          1. +2
            15 September 2012 16: 21
            You blamed the Zionists. And which ones - there are many different
        2. amikan
          +4
          15 September 2012 13: 13
          Of course, ordinary Jews have nothing to do with it, but the Zionists had a hand in it
          1. +4
            15 September 2012 13: 49
            Here I am a simple Jew, a Zionist and have nothing to do with this film. tongue
      4. Karish
        +4
        14 September 2012 22: 00
        Quote: Ataturk
        Again, the Zionists muddied the water. Everything goes to the point that there will be a war of religions and no matter how deplorable it looks, the Zionists are on the sidelines, and their sixes will fight.

        Cultivate Atatürk, (in the sense of education) Jews and Zionists are far from the same thing. I already gave you an example about a cat and a pussy.
        I don’t even want to remember about the director. there is a fresh minfa who he is and where from.
        Naturei Karta (also Neturei Karto; Aram. נְטוּרֵי קַרְתָּא; Aram. נָטוֹרֵי קַרְתָּא, Natorei Kart - “city guards”) is a Jewish religious community that sharply speaks out not only against Zionism (like some other ultra-Orthodox movements), but also against the existence of the State of Israel.

        This is so for general development, Adon Atatürk (by the way adon-lord (Hebrew)). It is the same for general development.
      5. Belarusian
        +1
        15 September 2012 17: 14
        Sorry. But you yourself saw this movie ?????????
    2. +6
      14 September 2012 11: 29
      The reaction of our creative intelligentsia to these events, expressed in its (reaction) absence, is interesting.
      Something is not visible next "letter 100" from the pillars of the Russian intelligentsia in support of the freedom of creativity of the creators of this film.
      What is it? Surely smarter? Or just a banal fear for the safety of personal hides?
      1. Ataturk
        +5
        14 September 2012 11: 33
        So the question is, you bastards, about Jesus or Moyaysey at least 1 Muslim said something bad or showed? When they are both one of the revered people in Islam.
        The bastards know that this is a painful topic for Muslims and they know where to push.
        And then they say that Muslims are animals. So who is the beast and the barbarian? Who is subhuman?


        But I have a question for everyone, and who are they? Who are those who insult Islam?
        Who are those who provoke the Islamic world?

        Religious Muslims live in Pakistan, they don’t think that they can seize power, and there NUCLEAR WARS, what will they do if they fly 360 degrees to all sides?

        THEY ARE READY TO DIE IN JIHAD AND YOU?
        1. +14
          14 September 2012 11: 51
          Omar, with all due respect, with jihad, too much.
          1. Ataturk
            +2
            14 September 2012 12: 03
            Quote: vorobey
            Omar, with all due respect, with jihad, too much.

            My dear, what is happening in the world now?

            DER-MO-KRA-TIYU is sought and built in the Muslim world.
            They insult with caricature and films and the burning of the QURAN against Muslims.

            Do you really think that this will pass them so easily? Understand that Muslims love their faith, love their religion, and it is an honor for them to die for their faith and religion, that I will not say about the WEST.

            They are ready to die for faith !!!! They dream of dying for faith. Because, a 100% guarantee that they will go to heaven.

            That's the thing, dear Sparrow
            Why don't they build democracy in a Christian country? why only muslims touch?
            1. Odessa
              +4
              14 September 2012 12: 13
              Ataturk,
              Why don't they build democracy in a Christian country?

              So the country is called Christian only formally. Here, a believer, Colonel Kvachkov who focuses on Russianness and religion languishes in prison. What kind of democracy, dear Omar, do you want to hear?
              1. Ataturk
                +9
                14 September 2012 12: 21
                Quote: Odessa
                What kind of democracy dear Omar, do you want to hear about?

                Esther, my dear, I know that there is no such word as democracy. They just created it. An ideology for the sake of struggle.

                I am stating a fact. That not one Muslim country, not Jesus, does not offend Moyasey, why others allow themselves to do this and say in our country der mo-raciya, freedom of speech, and so on.

                All this suggests that the USSR, with its shield and curtain, where only good could be said, was the best of all that could be created!
                1. +2
                  14 September 2012 15: 16
                  Ataturk
                  I don’t know how Muslims are, and Jews have always loved to laugh at their prophets. Why not? And they were people with disabilities.
                  1. Ataturk
                    +6
                    14 September 2012 16: 50
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    I don’t know how Muslims are, and Jews have always loved to laugh at their prophets. Why not?

                    how can one laugh at a prophet? I won’t even laugh at Moses and Jesus at gunpoint of Kalashnikov. These people said the word of God on earth.
                    If anyone wants to laugh, the cinema world page opens and watches comedies.
                    1. +2
                      14 September 2012 18: 50
                      Ataturk
                      What does it mean how? Fun! fellow In general, as I read from Paul Anderson: "And then I remember that the Enemy lacks a sense of humor. And vice versa, I am sure that God loves to laugh ..."
                      So religious fanatics of any faith will lose because they lack a sense of humor.
                    2. Karish
                      0
                      14 September 2012 20: 39
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      how can one laugh at a prophet? I won’t even laugh at Moses and Jesus at gunpoint of Kalashnikov. These people said the word of God on earth.
                      If anyone wants to laugh, the cinema world page opens and watches comedies.

                      Do not take everything so booze. You can laugh at them and believe me there is something. God is in the heart, and the perception of faith as an unshakable postulate, the rock is not right. The prophets are the same people and the same mistakes and probably laughed at something.
                      In general, one of the rules of Judaism is to check and doubt, it makes you think and, as a result, strengthen in the faith as well. at least be aware of your path. with respect hi
                  2. amikan
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 13: 22
                    Jesus talked a lot about Jews killing their prophets (they probably laughed, killing them)
                    1. +1
                      15 September 2012 14: 04
                      amikan
                      What Jesus said, we cannot know, for words are interpreted by his disciples, who, by the way, were also Jews. But in general I would like a direct quote, albeit on their interpretation.
                      1. 0
                        15 September 2012 16: 52
                        Paul’s Christianity was sufficiently changed - initially, in order to become a Christian, you had to become a Jew
                    2. 0
                      15 September 2012 16: 51
                      It is worth noting: “Do not go to the Gentiles and do not enter the city of Samaryan; but go first to the lost sheep of the house of Israel ”(Matthew 10: 5-6). For all the time of his prophecy, Jesus did not introduce a single Gentile to his faith.
                    3. Belarusian
                      0
                      15 September 2012 19: 54
                      Where is he saying this ?????? fool
                2. 0
                  14 September 2012 15: 43
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  I am stating a fact. That not one Muslim country, not Jesus, does not offend Moyasey, why others allow themselves to do this and say in our country der mo-raciya, freedom of speech, and so on.

                  I ascertain the fact that not one Buddhist will kill a mosquito or a fly, why do Muslims, Jews and Christians kill these cute insects on the right and on the left? DOCLE?
                  No need then do not do Muslims because of their laws, shift to the rest of the world, such laws not having. Jews do not eat pork, but Christians eat, how can that be ???
                  1. 11Goor11
                    +3
                    15 September 2012 04: 22
                    Rumata
                    I ascertain the fact that not one Buddhist will kill a mosquito or a fly, why do Muslims, Jews and Christians kill these cute insects on the right and on the left? DOCLE?
                    It is not necessary, what Muslims do not do because of their laws, to shift to the rest of the world, they do not have such laws. Jews do not eat pork, but Christians eat, how can that be ???

                    Demagogy. For you, the "killing" of mosquitoes and the incitement of religious hatred planned by the special services are the same thing?
                    Some kind of blindness
                    1. 0
                      15 September 2012 16: 53
                      Democracy is a form of government, no more. Moreover, democracy is different. What are you talking about?
                    2. Belarusian
                      0
                      15 September 2012 17: 35
                      so of these pogroms only Iran and al Qaeda benefit !!!!! And speaking of special services, these are Iranian (Muslim country) special services hi
                    3. Belarusian
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 20: 01
                      religious hatred - if some kind of film offends your religious or party feelings - DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM (and you will not be offended fool ) If some kind of caricature also offends you, do not look at this caricature !!!!!! fool If some poem offends you, DO NOT READ THE VERSE fool ------ BUT DON'T ORDER TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT TO SEE READ THEM TO REMOVE !!!!!!!!!!! MORE THAN IF THESE PEOPLE LIVE THOUSAND MILES FROM YOU !!!!!!!! fool
                  2. amikan
                    0
                    15 September 2012 13: 24
                    it is not clear what I wanted to say?
                  3. 0
                    15 September 2012 16: 53
                    Buddhists kill regularly. Recent clashes in Myanmar, for example. Do not kill a mosquito or a fly - this is ideal. In fact ...
                  4. Belarusian
                    0
                    15 September 2012 17: 33
                    And you will defeat the embassy of some country with shouts about the pro-Orthodox insulting the feelings of Jews eating pork! And in general, the Jewish Christ was appropriated to be recorded as Orthodox ????? with or without) drinks
                3. +3
                  14 September 2012 16: 33
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  All this suggests that the USSR, with its shield and curtain, where only good could be said, was the best of all that could be created!


                  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++

                  There is absolutely nothing to add to this !!!
                4. +4
                  15 September 2012 16: 37
                  Dear Ataturk. Jesus and Moses - no. Do you know why? That's right, because they are mentioned in the Quran, and in a very respectful form.

                  But let's recall other cases.

                  Afghanistan, for example. The shooting of statues of Buddha.
                  Scheme, aka Nablus - the destruction of the grave of forefather Joseph. I will not remember about the desecrated and destroyed synagogues and churches - there were too many of them. After the war of the 67 year, the entire Jewish quarter of the Old City had to be restored.

                  In a number of Islamic countries, death is laid for the transition from Islam to another faith.

                  There are severe restrictions on the life and work of non-Islamic communities. Will we remember other things? I have a lot of them.

                  And note - I sharply distinguish religion itself from its interpreters. And those who interpret it as kill and destroy, now there are too many.
              2. +3
                15 September 2012 16: 22
                Colonel Kvachkov, sorry, Esther, a figure extremely controversial
              3. Karish
                +2
                15 September 2012 16: 29
                Quote: Odessa
                from, a believer, Colonel Kvachkov who focuses on Russianness and religion languish in prison. What kind of democracy, dear Omar, do you want to hear?

                Dear Esther, just to understand. You mentioned Kvachkov many times in your posts, he is a relative of you or why such affection. Maybe there are some feats that we don’t know, enlighten.
                1. Odessa
                  +2
                  15 September 2012 16: 42
                  Karish,
                  Dear Esther, just to understand. You mentioned Kvachkov many times in your posts, he is a relative of you or why such affection. Maybe there are some feats that we don’t know, enlighten.

                  Kvachkov has no support on this site. The fact is that, as I read, he wanted to create a party with religious (Orthodox) convictions. So why is there an ANCH (religious party) in Israel and not in the Russian Duma?
                  1. Karish
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 16: 49
                    Quote: Odessa
                    .So why in Israel is there a ShchAS (religious party), but not in the Russian Duma?

                    Esther. Well, why do you want state. Duma such (sorry) HAS type hemorrhoids.
                    1. Odessa
                      0
                      15 September 2012 17: 05
                      Karish,
                      Esther. Well, why do you want state. Duma such (sorry) HAS type hemorrhoids.

                      I don’t think so. If such a truly patriotic prathia ever appears in Russia, then they will knock out the fifth pillar in the bud. They will wipe out the State Department puppets, etc. This is of course in the classic version. Nevertheless, the Cossacks are already objecting to Russia. But new, it's all well forgotten old.
                      1. Yarbay
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 17: 11
                        Quote: Odessa
                        I don’t think so. If such a truly patriotic pratomy ever appears in Russia, then they will knock out the fifth column in the bud. They will wipe out the State Department marianettes, etc.

                        remember the pre-revolutionary period!
                        Certainly, as then, those who take advantage of the patriots have nothing to do with the situation!
                        For me, it is necessary to revive the monarchy in Russia - this is the solution !!
                        Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the most correct way out !!
                      2. Odessa
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 17: 22
                        Yarbay,
                        For me, it is necessary to revive the monarchy in Russia - this is the solution !!

                        The monarchy is a secondary issue, but what Kvachkov is talking about is more interesting, but still the party is better. We have already seen from the example of Israel. Those who stand for their electorate, that is, their electorate, stand up for them.
                      3. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 15
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Nevertheless, the Cossacks in Russia are already reviving. But the new, it’s all well forgotten old.

                        I don’t think there are things lost forever and if there is no chain of transmission of traditions, then this will be ersatz + local conditions. An example. very simple, I have a friend, a millionaire and all the businesses he has in the Kuban. And strangely enough, the Cossacks are protecting his business, and of course he pays them and even brings them to Israel for treatment. For this, he was promoted to Yesaul (Yesaul like it) of the Kuban Cossack army with the delivery of a cloak and checkers. By the way, when I saw this burka, I found out about everything. And now tell me what Borya is a Jew in Israel, Yesaul of the Cossack army, if he can only sit in a burka in the refrigerator.
                      4. Odessa
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 18
                        Karish,
                        And now tell me what Borya is a Jew in Israel, Yesaul of the Cossack army, if he can only sit in a burka in the refrigerator.

                        Karish, tell me, has already begun to celebrate? How do I know what some kind of Borya is doing, and also Esaul in Israel. Maybe it’s easier to ask him directly? winked
                      5. +1
                        15 September 2012 18: 19
                        Celebrate tomorrow.
                      6. Karish
                        0
                        15 September 2012 20: 29
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Karish, tell me, has already begun to celebrate? How do I know what some kind of Borya is doing, and also Esaul in Israel. Maybe it’s easier to ask him directly?

                        It’s a rhetorical question, better explain how it became one (in the light of the revival of the Cossacks) and why they protect them instead of protection.
                    2. 0
                      15 September 2012 21: 10
                      .... It should be added that in our Duma there are more Jews than in the Knesset .... :)
            2. +3
              14 September 2012 12: 29
              die for your faith? say it to the protestant and catholic fanatics from northern ireland

              Muslims in the Arab and North African countries have long taken an extreme form, a detailed happening with Christianity in the Middle Ages. And here there are only two ways out: either similar trends of Islam should be destroyed along with their followers or either reorganized into more cultural forms
              1. Ataturk
                +4
                14 September 2012 12: 47
                Quote: AlexSS
                Muslims in the Arab and North African countries have long taken an extreme form, a detailed happening with Christianity in the Middle Ages. And here there are only two ways out: either similar trends of Islam should be destroyed along with their followers or either reorganized into more cultural forms


                YOU ARE MINUS BOLD!
                Who is killing Afghans and Iraqis and Libyans and Syrians and Somalis?
                and HOW to call it? And in the Middle Ages and in the modern world, Europe and the United States showed that they are worse than the most complete extremes.

                Can you tell us about the delights of the Crusades and the Inquisition?

                Or maybe it's time for the Christian world to respect Muslims? And do not touch them? Maybe you should answer as respectfully to our prophet as you relate to Jesus?

                Quote: AlexSS
                currents of Islam must be destroyed

                Why is there always the word DESTROY in your ambitions? Or maybe dialogue and build a new cultural society that will respect people and their faith?

                Why is the caricature of the Buddha and Moyeysey not shared? Namely, are they attached to Mohamed?

                Why films are shot beautifully about Christianity, especially THE PASSIONS OF CHRIST, about BUDDHA, and as about ISLAM, filth right away is filthy. On the body of pros-ti-tut-ki write KORAN. What normal person will do it?

                From all I come to the conclusion that this is done SPECIALLY !!! So scum!
                1. +4
                  14 September 2012 15: 22
                  Ataturk
                  If you look, then Muslims kill Muslims once in 100 more than Gentiles. The Crusades are a bad thing. I agree, and the Islamic conquest of Africa, BV, Cf. Az and parts of Europe are of course great?
                  Then what is the Jewish world, the Christian world or the Muslim world when it comes to the creativity of a particular person? What did LA Christians or Australian Jews know about this film? I believe that the splash of Salafis is banditry.
                  1. Yarbay
                    +2
                    14 September 2012 21: 10
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    If you look, then Muslims kill Muslims once in 100 more than Gentiles. The Crusades are a bad thing. I agree, and the Islamic conquest of Africa, BV, Cf. Az and parts of Europe are of course great?

                    about 100 times this is of course your lie! But what were the consequences of the crusade, how was it carried out and how did the Islamic conquest take place?

                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    I believe that the splash of Salafis is banditry.

                    Wahhabis call Salafis- ignorance and moral banditry!
                    1. Karish
                      0
                      14 September 2012 21: 27
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Wahhabis call Salafis- ignorance and moral banditry!

                      Good evening Alibek. You are theoretically 100% right. Wahhabis and Salafis are completely different things. But you must agree with me among the Salafists (calling for the practice of early Islam, you can say * pure * Islam) a large number of faithful believers (since the very definition of pure, true, not * polluted * Islam) young people and people with a fragile psyche create quite a few let's say not good things. hiding behind faith and dirtying Sufism.
                      You know, Judgment Day is coming soon, on this day all Jews go to synagogues and pray for forgiveness. All life in the country freezes, transport does not go, everything is closed (we are talking about cities with Jewish populations and the same areas)
                      But in Israel not only Jews live and this day for others, I won’t say that it’s a drum, but life does not end., But SPECIAL REASONERS of the FAITH (who have not heard about it all year, crawl out at intersections and throw stones at passing cars, because they insulted their religious feelings, not understanding (or understanding) that they could just kill. So if you look at the contingent throwing stones on Judgment Day in Israel, at the embassies in Cairo and crowds raging in religious ecstasy, you will find among the socio- economic indicators of the last many about the general.
                      As with backgammon, we can play it somehow. need to find a platform. Regards, Sanya.
                      1. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 07: 54
                        Quote: Karish
                        You are theoretically 100% right. Wahhabis and Salafis are completely different things. But you must agree with me among the Salafists (calling for the practice of early Islam, you can say * pure * Islam) a large number of faithful believers (since the very definition of pure, true, not * polluted * Islam) young people and people with a fragile psyche create quite a few let's say not good things. hiding behind faith and dirtying Sufism.

                        Dear Alexander, if you would study this question more deeply, and not relying on the books of contemporaries, you would take away that this is not at all!
                        Let's leave Sufism aside and not to be confused!
                        Just read about the Wahhabi religious views from the first days !!
                        Al Wahab’s family (and his father was really a sheikh and a religiously literate man) drove him out of the house for him blasphemous looks
                        You see in Wahhabism there is not even a fraction of * pure Islam *!
                        Quote: Karish
                        In the embassy in Cairo and in general crowds raging in religious ecstasy - you will find a lot in common among the socio-economic indicators of the latter
                        Sanya, I agree with you, moreover, I consider these pogroms a common crime!
                        But I am sure that those who make provocative films and do all sorts of provocations are exactly what they count on !!
                        Quote: Karish
                        As with backgammon, we can play it somehow. need to find
                        platform

                        in the face wrote)))
                        With friendly greetings!!
                      2. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 08: 55
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You see in Wahhabism there is not even a fraction of * pure Islam *!

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You see in Wahhabism there is not even a fraction of * pure Islam *!

                        What in my comment went wrong. I don’t touch Wahhabism at all - extremist trend,. Pure Islam I talked about Salafis.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        But I am sure that those who make provocative films and do all sorts of provocations are exactly what they count on !!
                        Quote: Karish

                        In general, the world has gone crazy, and one of the reasons, with the help of the Internet, is to make some muck and get away with impunity.
                      3. Yarbay
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 09: 05
                        Quote: Karish
                        What in my comment went wrong. I don’t touch Wahhabism at all - extremist trend,. Pure Islam I talked about Salafis.

                        I, too, about this Sanya !! Wahhabis call themselves Salafis, and I think so to call them a crime!
                    2. +2
                      15 September 2012 00: 12
                      Yarbay
                      Those. Are not Muslims slaughtering Muslims in Pakistan? And in Iraq, in Sudan, in Somalia, in Turkey, in Western Sahara, and in the North Caucasus?
                      As for conquest, it went with fire and sword. All North Africa, Lebanon, Syria, Ymen were Christian, Jews and Christians lived in Judea50 / 50%. You want to say that they called on Muslims to come, deprive their ancestors of their religion, and turn those who did not break into Zimmis, i.e. Second-class people?
                      1. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 07: 55
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Those. Are not Muslims slaughtering Muslims in Pakistan? And in Iraq, in Sudan, in Somalia, in Turkey, in Western Sahara, and in the North Caucasus?

                        and what is a hundred times more than the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan ???
                      2. +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 10
                        To be honest, yes. For example, I recommend recalling only one of the wars - the Iran-Iraq. And there were many
                    3. 0
                      15 September 2012 17: 07
                      Dear Alibek. Unfortunately, this is not a lie. I can remind. The same Iraq is a Sunni-Shiite confrontation. Iran-Iraq war. Syrian conflict. Lebanese conflict. Strip. I can recall hundreds of historical facts. Hundreds, dear Alibek.

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Wahhabis call Salafis- ignorance and moral banditry!

                      And here, I'm sorry, Aron is right. In this surge there was a considerable influence of the Salafis
                      1. Yarbay
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 17: 14
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And here, I'm sorry, Aron is right. In this surge there was a considerable influence of the Salafis

                        Dear pimple, read my comments please carefully!
                        Who called the Wahhabis Salafis ??
                        Wahhabis themselves and enemies of Islam !!
                        For a Muslim, Wahhabis are not Salafists!
                      2. +1
                        15 September 2012 18: 19
                        Wahhabis are not Salafists - I do not even argue about this.
                2. +1
                  14 September 2012 15: 46
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why is the caricature of the Buddha and Moyeysey not shared? Namely, are they attached to Mohamed?


                  Google to help


                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Who is killing Afghans and Iraqis and Libyans and Syrians and Somalis?


                  as I understand it, you all want to write off to the Anglo-Saxons? count how many Muslims died from the bombs, and how many in the attacks? or how? 10 murdered Muslims say goodbye to one killed infidel

                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why films are shot beautifully about Christianity, especially THE PASSIONS OF CHRIST, about BUDDHA, and as about ISLAM, filth right away is filthy.


                  who pays and orders music!

                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Or maybe a dialogue


                  dialogue needs both sides
                3. -1
                  14 September 2012 16: 03
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why is the caricature of the Buddha and Moyeysey not shared? Namely, are they attached to Mohamed?

                  Thousands of them



                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why films are shot about Christianity beautifully

                  The vast majority of films about the Middle Ages show Christianity in a bad light because of the Inquisition, if examples are needed then
                  "Ghosts of Goya"
                  "Well and pendulum"
                  "Joan of Arc"
                  etc
                  1. Yarbay
                    +1
                    14 September 2012 21: 06
                    Rumata are films about representatives of Christianity, not about the prophets!
                    And I condemn those pictures that you posted!
                    This for me shows your nastiness!
                    Maybe someone will like it, but I feel sorry for you and hands, I would not have succumbed to you!
                    1. Ataturk
                      +3
                      14 September 2012 21: 21
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Maybe someone will like it, but I feel sorry for you and hands, I would not have succumbed to you!


                      How can one mock people who have spoken the word of God on earth?
                      I do not understand. He is a bastard, not a priest, he is a mu-duck, because he does not know that God is one for all.
                    2. 0
                      14 September 2012 21: 23
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Rumata are films about representatives of Christianity, not about the prophets!
                      And I condemn those pictures that you posted!
                      This for me shows your nastiness!
                      Maybe someone will like it, but I feel sorry for you and hands, I would not have succumbed to you!

                      What kind of kindergarten? They wrote above that they do not laugh at the prophets of other religions, I proved that this is far from the case. Then they wrote that about CHRISTIANITY films are soft and fluffy, and about ISLAM, on the contrary. I gave examples where this is not so; there was no talk of films about the prophets. Do you bother to read the comment to which I replied before depriving me of the dubious privilege of shaking your hand ...
                      1. Yarbay
                        0
                        15 September 2012 07: 58
                        Quote: Rumata
                        They wrote above that they do not laugh at the prophets of other religions, I proved that this is far from true

                        I did not write this, do not LIE !!
                      2. 0
                        15 September 2012 12: 14
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I did not write this, do not LIE !!

                        Not you, but a commentator under the nickname Ataturk, there you can clearly see who I quoted and who answered !!!
                      3. Yarbay
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 12: 23
                        Dear you answered my quote or not ??
                        You quoted my quote in your answer!
                      4. +3
                        15 September 2012 12: 31
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Dear you answered my quote or not ??

                        Since 90% of my comments in this thread have been deleted, I will restore the chain of events.
                        1. Ataturk wrote a blatant lie that they only laugh at Islam, but Buddha, Moses or Christ are not touched. Google issued hundreds of thousands of photos, I took off the 3 most peaceful, as proof that this is not so.
                        2. The same commentator wrote that the films show Islam in a bad light, and the other religions are vice versa. I gave as an example an example where Christianity is shown from the bad side, there are dozens of examples. There was no talk of films about the prophets, the conversation was general.
                        And then you burst in and start blaming me for something, without even bothering to follow the chain of discussion.
                      5. Yarbay
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 12: 56
                        Quote: Rumata
                        And then you burst in and start blaming me for something

                        I don’t know what chain you are talking about, I saw under my quote a statement in my address that I didn’t say !!
                      6. +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 56
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You quoted my quote in your answer!

                        Nothing of the kind, my message was deleted, but I quoted the same phrases as Alex above

                        http://clip2net.com/s/2iMnk
                    3. +1
                      15 September 2012 17: 27
                      Dear Alibek. نبي in Islam for the most part coincide with the prophets in Judaism and Christianity. I am wrong? And perhaps this is the only reason. Because both Judaism and Christianity cry out as soon as they can. And I'm not talking about most Muslims. But those that are radical are becoming more and more. It is so simple to hate someone.
                4. +2
                  15 September 2012 17: 01
                  Yes, they did. At that time, Christianity was in its radical stage. Islam, by the way, was not sugar either.
                  A number of countries openly hunted piracy - as, incidentally, the Europeans.

                  Most Islamic countries had strict laws on the life of Jews, Christians, and Gentiles: they included construction, walking along the same street in the rain, clothing patches, special taxes, and much more.

                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why is the caricature of the Buddha and Moyeysey not shared? Namely, are they attached to Mohamed?


                  Caricatures of Moses, of Buddha, of Gd were made repeatedly.



                  The problem is that during the caricature of the Prophet Muhammad, this caused a wave of murders and pogroms, attacks on Christians and Jews, and the threat of death against the cartoonists.

                  Please note - making a movie is not about bad Islam. Specifically, about radical Islamists. Who really tried to earn themselves an appropriate reputation. Because before, the villains in the films were Germans, Russians, Irish terrorists.
            3. +10
              14 September 2012 12: 33
              Quote: Ataturk
              DER-MO-KRA-TIYU is sought and built in the Muslim world. It is insulted with caricature and films and the burning of the QURAN against Muslims.


              All Christians? or more sectarians are perverts. You mentioned Jews and the Jewish community above. but gradually switched to Christians and jihad. Omar is not competent and unprofessional. From this preacher, I’m a Christian like me, a ballerina from me. All the same, let’s thoroughly clean the grain from the chaff. or 90 is not enough for us. Let's start proving again whose faith is more correct?
              1. Karish
                +6
                14 September 2012 20: 46
                Quote: vorobey
                All Christians? or more sectarians are perverts. You mentioned Jews and the Jewish community above. but gradually switched to Christians and jihad. Omar is not competent and unprofessional. From this preacher, I’m a Christian like me, a ballerina from me. All the same, let’s thoroughly clean the grain from the chaff. or 90 is not enough for us. Let's start proving again whose faith is more correct?

                Everything is much simpler, in many Muslim countries the situation because of internal contradictions is tense to such an extent that any minor cause gives an outbreak of violence. Look at which countries are raging, backward, poor with a huge layer of impoverished youth. In the world (if I’m not mistaken, about 60 countries with a predominance of the Muslim population) but all the same rage all the same, why? Because they are more faithful - no. There is simply a very large stratum of unemployed, idle youth with a complete lack of prospects, they need a reason to let off steam, and if the reason is in America, God simply ordered
                1. Yarbay
                  +1
                  14 September 2012 21: 03
                  Quote: Karish

                  Everything is much simpler, in many Muslim countries the situation because of internal contradictions is tense to such an extent that any minor cause gives an outbreak of violence. Look at which countries are raging, backward, poor with a huge layer of impoverished youth. In the world (if I’m not mistaken, about 60 countries with a predominance of the Muslim population) but all the same rage all the same, why? Because they are more faithful - no. There is simply a very large stratum of unemployed, idle youth with a complete lack of prospects, they need a reason to let off steam, and if the reason is in America, God simply ordered

                  You came later than everyone, but in my opinion gave one of the most sensible comments on the topic!
                  I would even say the best!
                  1. Karish
                    +2
                    14 September 2012 22: 21
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    You came later than everyone, but in my opinion gave one of the most sensible comments on the topic!
                    I would even say the best!

                    Alibek, thanks, it’s possible for you for a long time. Regards, Sanya.
            4. Ortrega
              +2
              14 September 2012 18: 50
              Quote: Ataturk
              Why don't they build democracy in a Christian country? why only muslims touch?

              And they just think that democracy has already been built there, look, the whole of Euryope under American influence, the East remains, but they forgot with their clumsy methods that the East is a delicate matter.
        2. +1
          14 September 2012 12: 04
          for Muslims, Jesus and Moses are the same prophets as Muhammad, only earlier! But for the Christian church, Mohamed is a swindler, for the Jews, both Mohamed and Jesus are such, so here everything is logical and logical
          1. Kamilla
            +6
            14 September 2012 12: 48
            Quote: AlexSS
            so everything is logical and logical here


            there is nothing logical here ... one must respect someone else’s religion ... for example, Islam does not recognize Buddhism ... but civilized Muslims visit Buddhist temples ... and respect this religion .. I do not mean barbarians who ruined Buddha statue in Afghanistan ... and civilians. And I believe that among Christians and Jews, there are millions of cultural and civilized ones ... and they will not go so far as to consider the prophet of another religion a scam ... it says only about ignorance and narrow thinking ... nothing more ..many who read the Qur'an consider this book to be truly prophetic ....

            “I swear that this Qur'an, from which modern science is 1400 years behind, cannot be human speech. This is the true speech of the Almighty. ”
            Jacques Cousteau.
            1. Ataturk
              0
              14 September 2012 12: 52
              Quote: Kamilla
              “I swear that this Qur'an, from which modern science is 1400 years behind, cannot be human speech. This is the true speech of the Almighty. ”
              Jacques Cousteau.


              Why are you going so far? Look how Russian men accepted Islam and what they say about Islam







              1. Karish
                +3
                14 September 2012 20: 57
                Ataturk, you’re being pulled over 100 thousand videos now, as you switched from (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism) to (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism) and everyone’s eyes will burn and lips will shake from religious ecstasy.
                In general, I am very distrustful of people who suddenly changed their religion or simply began to believe fanatically. They remind me of Herbolife sellers - with fire in their eyes, convincing you by personal example, but in fact it all consists in the desire to bring you another batch of pills.
                No bigotry, please.
                1. Yarbay
                  +2
                  14 September 2012 21: 00
                  Quote: Karish

                  Ataturk, you’re being pulled over 100 thousand videos now, as you switched from (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism) to (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism) and everyone’s eyes will burn and lips will shake from religious ecstasy.

                  Then I certainly agree with you!
                  Moreover, it is still unknown to accept Islam, what kind of knowledge about Islam and what its purpose is !!
                  1. Karish
                    +3
                    14 September 2012 21: 35
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Moreover, it is still unknown to accept Islam, what kind of knowledge about Islam and what its purpose is!

                    Alibek, in our department one pretzel, after being cured of cancer (the glory of medicine), began to believe not that it was cured, but as they say, we returned to the answer (i.e. to religion)
                    Already tired, pestering everyone, frightens with the end of the world, a tsunami that will wash away all non-believers, earthquakes and generally punishments of heaven. if we are like him. we will not abandon earthly affairs and do not begin to sway to the beat and shake the psalms in shaking pace. People no longer know where to go. It’s a pity he doesn’t understand Vysotsky
                    He spoke breaking his hands
                    Krasnobay and balamut
                    About the powerlessness of science
                    Before the secret of Bermuda, -
                    He broke all brains into pieces,
                    All gyruses are braided -
                    And the rope authorities
                    They prick us a second injection.

                    Dear Editor!
                    Maybe better - about the reactor?
                    About your favorite moon tractor ?!
                    After all, it’s impossible! - year in a row:
                    That scare plates -
                    Say, vile, fly;
                    Then your dogs bark
                    That ruins - they say
                    !

                    Here is such garbage.
            2. +1
              14 September 2012 15: 50
              Quote: Kamilla
              And I believe that among Christians and Jews, there are millions of cultural and civilized ones ... and they will not go so far as to consider the prophet of another religion a fraud ..


              therefore, only all sorts of eccentrics come out against Mohamed and the Qur'an, with the letter M, but in which case almost the entire Muslim world rebels!

              as they say make a difference in culture!
              1. Ataturk
                0
                14 September 2012 16: 52
                Quote: AlexSS
                because then only all sorts of eccentrics come out against Mohamed and the Koran, the letter M

                +1
            3. Karish
              0
              14 September 2012 20: 51
              Quote: Kamilla
              “I swear that this Qur'an, from which modern science is 1400 years behind, cannot be human speech. This is the true speech of the Almighty. ”
              Jacques Cousteau.

              For many hundreds of years of the epistolary genre and a huge number of great people, you can pull quotes on any topic, often sign it with the name of some famous person - nobody will check it all the same.
              Write your opinion, it is much more valuable. hi
            4. Evil Tatar
              0
              14 September 2012 20: 52
              Quote: Kamilla
              many who read the Qur'an consider this book to be truly prophetic ....

              “I swear that this Qur'an, from which modern science is 1400 years behind, cannot be human speech. This is the true speech of the Almighty. ”
              Jacques Cousteau.

              Jacques Cousteau, although respected throughout the world by man (scuba invented, studied the seas and oceans, etc.), but apparently said this under the impression))))))
              Populism in one word ...
              Well, how could Jacques Cousteau read the Quran in the original in Arabic?
              It is worth noting that advanced Muslims do not trust the translations of the Koran into other languages, believing that when translating, deliberately someone makes corrections and errors, which creates the possibility of the appearance of radical Islamists who have nothing to do with true Muslims ...

              Radical Islam is not a true religious movement, but someone’s cunning substitution in order to destroy the Muslims, in the end, themselves ...
              http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%9D+%D0%B0+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D
              1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B5+%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%B2+%D0%BE%D1%80%
              D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5&lr=76
              1. Karish
                0
                14 September 2012 22: 31
                Quote: Angry Tatar
                Radical Islam is not a true religious movement, but someone’s cunning substitution in order to destroy Muslims, in the end, themselves ..

                (=), although I would give another statement
                Revolution devours its children


                Words spoken before the execution by the famous figure of the Great French Revolution, Georges Jacques Danton (1759-1794). He became one of many victims who died from recent associates.
                So often many good undertakings end if the percentage of people like Ataturk (excuse me, but your views seem too radical to me) exceeds 15 -20%.
          2. +4
            14 September 2012 15: 55
            Alexss
            as far as I know, but I emphasize that I was interested in this as an atheist, among Jews the names of prophets are not mentioned in prayers at all. They are nothing more than people chosen to bring the will of Gd to people, but people. There is nothing sacred in them. In Jewish prayers, a person directly addresses Gd.
            1. Kamilla
              +4
              14 September 2012 16: 07
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              There is nothing sacred in them. In Jewish prayers, a person directly addresses Gd


              In Islam, too ... Muhammad, the Prophet, a historical person ... but when Muslims pray, they turn to Allah.
              1. Karish
                +2
                14 September 2012 21: 06
                Quote: Kamilla
                In Islam, this is also the case ... Muhammad, the Prophet, a historical person ... but when Muslims pray, they turn to Allah

                Historical, and ... Tell this Christian or Buddhist or Jew (and vice versa) that Jesus, Mohammad or Moses are historical figures. A normal and educated man will simply shrug and say - Great, and ....
                In general, God is one and it is advisable to turn to him without intermediaries.
                1. Ataturk
                  +4
                  14 September 2012 21: 23
                  Quote: Karish
                  In general, God is one and it is advisable to turn to him without intermediaries.

                  Right.
            2. Karish
              +2
              14 September 2012 21: 03
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              They are nothing more than people chosen to bring the will of Gd to people, but people. There is nothing sacred in them.

              If only the Jews would react to all advertising. commercials and humor. programs where all the prophets are shown in all situations, then probably there would be nothing left from Israel at all. Nobody on this not only doesn’t stupid, but has a lot of fun - why not. All the same people.
            3. 0
              15 September 2012 18: 02
              All Jewish prayers are for Gd. Prayer appeared as a replacement for the currently impossible sacrifice.
        3. Bismark
          +7
          14 September 2012 12: 37
          Ataturk
          Dostoevsky quote. With an insult to the Islamic religion, they took a particular step, and this is not the first time, I partly agree with you, but it’s concrete with Jihad.
          1. Ataturk
            +1
            14 September 2012 12: 57
            Quote: Bismark
            but with Jihad, the search is concrete.

            What is JIHAD?

            I HOPE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

            Jihad (from the Arabic. الجهاد [dʒɪ'hɑ: d] - "effort") is a concept in Islam, meaning zeal in the way of Allah. Jihad is usually associated with armed struggle, however, the concept is much broader.
            Jihad in Islam is the struggle against one’s spiritual or social vices (for example, with lies, deceit, depravity of society, etc.), the elimination of social injustice, constant zeal in the spread of Islam, waging war with aggressors, punishing criminals and offenders[1]. In addition, in Arabic, the word "jihad" means any effort or diligence, in particular in work, study, etc.


            BUT if militarily then

            According to the Qur'an, every Muslim must [2] be diligent in affirming and protecting Islam, spend for this their material means and all their strength. In case of danger, it is necessary to rise to an armed struggle against the enemies of the faith.


            Now answer what you would do at the moment if you were in our place. Respond to yourself dear. I know my answer !!!

            Regards Omar
            1. Bismark
              +3
              14 September 2012 14: 50
              I suspected the concept of Jihad was much broader, thank you for the information.

              Now answer what you would do for a moment if you were in our place.
              YES, and so it’s clear what we would do. Would defend themselves. Now we see that the United States, in addition to its disrespect for Islam, is trying to play on it. Yes, and most in the West know that Jihad is a fight against infidels, no one delves into the concept itself, and so it turns out a horror story for the population of Western countries.
              PS The situation is very similar to the Crusades.
              1. Ataturk
                +2
                14 September 2012 16: 53
                Quote: Bismark
                PS The situation is very similar to the Crusades.

                +1 only the name has changed .... democratic campaigns.
                you plus
            2. Karish
              +3
              14 September 2012 21: 10
              Quote: Ataturk
              What is JIHAD?

              I HOPE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

              Ataturk, do not quote about jihad, that this is the path of faith (which, of course, is absolutely correct), but in the minds of many, jihad, shahid, etc. have a very specific meaning related to violence and murder.
              You know a wet cat and a wet pussy, the same thing seems to be the same thing, but in fact things are absolutely unrelated to each other.
              1. Ataturk
                +2
                14 September 2012 21: 26
                Quote: Karish
                but in the minds of many, jihad, shahid, etc. have a very specific meaning related to by violence and killing.


                The fact that many ignoramuses are their problems! Must read! Why did I read the Bible and respect this book because this is the word of God on earth that Jesus conveyed to people and what Muhammad said is insulting. They say that he was sleeping with a 9 year old girl. RAVE!!!

                There is no violence in Islam. Islam FORCES to protect your home, country, honor, in any way! Protect!!!!

                For example, a priest who burned a book of the Koran does not know that God is one for all? Why do we respect their religion and ours not?
                1. Karish
                  +2
                  14 September 2012 21: 51
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  The fact that many ignoramuses are their problems!

                  Nothing of the kind, this is not the right position. You cannot prove something to a person without speaking his language and without using his concepts and without considering his idea of ​​life. What is your goal? To prove his innocence, for this you need to speak a person being at the same level with him. From Olympus to the people do not scream.
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  and what Muhamed said is offensive. They say that he was sleeping with a 9 year old girl. RAVE!!!

                  Without fanaticism, if you believe in Allah, sincerely, it will be counted towards you, even if you do not put a frying pan on the head of some idiot and ignoramus
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  There is no violence in Islam

                  Maybe so
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Islam FORCES to protect your home, country, honor, in any way! Protect!!!!

                  You contradict yourself. there is no violence and constitutes (among other things, a way of violence) I would prefer if the word was used - recommends.
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  For example, a priest, ur-od who burned a book of the Koran, he does not know that God is one for all

                  there are different priests. like teachers, doctors and even taxi drivers.
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Why do we respect their religion and ours not?

                  Excuse me, eye? Are we the whole Islamic world? Are they all the rest of humanity?
                  Have you interviewed everyone from one side and the other? I respect Islam, and I know quite a few Muslims who hate Jews and Judaism (respectively) Now there is a problem. Be simpler, answer for yourself.
                  1. Ataturk
                    0
                    14 September 2012 23: 58
                    Quote: Karish
                    You contradict yourself. no violence and makes


                    Protect this violence?

                    Quote: Karish
                    there are different priests. like teachers, doctors and even taxi drivers.


                    I agree!

                    Quote: Karish
                    Be simpler, answer for yourself.

                    I am always responsible for myself.
        4. +3
          14 September 2012 15: 14
          Ataturk
          They don’t say anything bad, they simply deny the right of other religions to exist and demand the transformation of the whole World into Dar-um-Islam.
          What about dying? We were taught that the best option in battle is when the strangers die for their cause, and we continue to live, fight and win for our own. A different apparently approach to training personnel.
        5. amikan
          +1
          15 September 2012 13: 20
          What is going on with the brains of specific performers is unclear. And if they are paid money, they are grimacing (like our russi). And those who pay are people without conscience and other qualities unnecessary for them. They need to rekindle and warm their hands on this.
          They have cold brains and a complete lack of human qualities.
        6. +4
          15 September 2012 21: 07
          So the question is, you bastards, about Jesus or Moyaysey at least 1 Muslim said something bad or showed? When they are both one of the revered people in Islam.

          Dear Sir, it would be nice to talk about this with the Serbs .......
          About how in Chechnya they cut heads to the guys who did not remove the cross .... I will not even say ....
      2. amikan
        +2
        15 September 2012 13: 15
        For our "intelligentsia" the main enemy (at the behest from the USA) is Orthodoxy
  3. +10
    14 September 2012 09: 08
    They fought for sho and ran into it. As in the proverb ... do not dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it, So the mattress makers got in the face from their "children of democracy". Little was given. Their whole "Arab spring" will come back to haunt them now
    This is a signal for this damn doll called a clintonsha (you would not forget to hit a mackeynuk). Although ... it may be a sacred sacrifice. Everything can be ....
    1. +4
      14 September 2012 10: 00
      Horseradish from amers trainers. They thought the beast / al-Qaeda / tamed, and sometimes he bites his lactating hand.
    2. +2
      14 September 2012 11: 03
      Quote: Pilot200809
      They fought for something and ran into it.

      All right, katuzі on merit.
  4. +12
    14 September 2012 09: 13
    Religious provocations never succeeded, even if Shiites and Sunnis fight among themselves, any attacks on Islam lead to their unification, and since Muslims are now almost everywhere, the white furry animal will drive Americans around the world for a long time .
    1. mongoose
      -10
      14 September 2012 09: 18
      Yeah, if you don’t accidentally drop megatons on a bomb to Mecca with Medina, each 400 wink
      1. +17
        14 September 2012 09: 36
        Quote: mongoose
        if to Mecca with Medina


        But this will be the biggest - and the last stupidity, in Mecca there are not many people and 400 megatons will serve as a wick of world war.
        Islam - one of the three world religions. Muslim communities exist in more than 120 countries and unite, according to various sources, from 1,2 to 1,5 billion people. In 35 countries, the majority of the population is Muslim, and in 29 countries the followers of Islam are powerful minorities. In 28 countries, Islam is recognized as the state or official religion [37]. Only 18% of Muslims live in Arab countries. Islam is the second largest religion in the world (after Christianity). - We will get a religious war in comparison with which the 3rd world babble!
      2. +14
        14 September 2012 09: 38
        mongoose, I still thought you were wiser
        1. +6
          14 September 2012 09: 48
          mongoose
          four hundred can not stand the planet. when testing two mega on a new earth, the wave circled the earth twice. The cameras were spotting in the basements, although they knew that they were just trials
          1. Denzel13
            +2
            14 September 2012 11: 24
            According to various sources, the most powerful hydrogen bomb had from 57 to 58,6 megatons of TNT equivalent.
            1. +1
              14 September 2012 12: 11
              according to the data that are in the public domain, the most powerful tested is 57-60 megatons, although theoretical calculations before the test showed only 10 megatons. The most powerful created (according to theoretical calculations) 70 megatons of tests were abandoned due to the unpredictability of practical results
            2. elenasvetlova
              +3
              14 September 2012 15: 53
              impressive
          2. Karish
            0
            14 September 2012 22: 38
            [quote = andrei332809] mongoose
            four hundred can not stand the planet. when testing two mega on a new earth, the wave circled the earth twice. The cameras were spotting in the basements, although they knew that they were just trials [/ quote
            They tested a 50 mgt bomb (half of its full power. And 400 he wrote, this is simply the largest number he knows. laughing ]
        2. Karish
          0
          14 September 2012 22: 36
          Quote: vorobey
          mongoose, I still thought you were wiser

          He just ate the snake, it is buggy. He’ll leave tomorrow. (I don’t know where), maybe it would be better to let me write?
  5. +14
    14 September 2012 09: 13
    In this whole story, I am alarmed by one fact, we are talking about 11 of September.
    In both cases, the same dateThis is an attack on the twin towers and the assassination of the US ambassador in Benghazi. What is a simple coincidence or something else ?!
    I am absolutely convinced of one thing, it seems that al-Qaeda and candidate Romney are acting in the same team. As for Obama, his position has seriously shaken! In such cases they say -Hit below the belt.IMHO
    1. +7
      14 September 2012 09: 28
      Quote: Apollon
      In both cases, the same date: the attack on the twin towers and the assassination of the US ambassador to Benghazi.

      Apollo, USA again untying its hands, a victim of other people's political games in the photograph. More will come next.
      1. +5
        14 September 2012 09: 54
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        More will come next.


        and this is just the beginning, in my opinion.
        1. +5
          14 September 2012 10: 07
          Quote: Apollon
          and this is just the beginning, in my opinion

          Moreover, it was predictable and more than once many spoke about such consequences on the site.
        2. -3
          14 September 2012 10: 09
          Quote: Apollon
          and this is just the beginning, in my opinion.
          I left you my number, call Sherlock.
      2. +9
        14 September 2012 09: 56
        That’s for sure, it’s unlikely that the United States did not calculate the reaction of Muslim countries to this film masterpiece, given the recent own experience and the experience of other states (burning of the Koran, mockery of corpses, caricatures of Mohamed). It was precisely this development of events that they expected. Soon we will find out why they did it.
      3. bamboo
        +1
        14 September 2012 12: 12
        I agree with you !!!
        only now they have chosen a different way !!!
        although not new at all, but half-forgotten !!! sad
      4. Karish
        +1
        14 September 2012 22: 40
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Apollo, USA again untying its hands, a victim of other people's political games in the photograph. More will come next.

        I do not think Obama is capable of this. In this regard, he is impotent with a microscopic scrotum. wassat
    2. Ares1
      +5
      14 September 2012 10: 15
      Of course, not by chance. Let me remind you - September 11.09th, the Beheading of the Head of John the Baptist. Since the visible part of the world is the wrong side of the invisible world, they, being smart people (albeit our enemies), rely on the mystical knowledge and experience of their master. And the owner is 10 years old ...
      1. Karish
        0
        14 September 2012 22: 42
        Quote: Ares1
        And the owner is 10 years old.

        And his name is LEGION am
  6. vladimir64ss
    +8
    14 September 2012 09: 16
    If this is an accident, then amers began to "shovel" in full from fate For what they had done. But most likely this is the victim of an officer in the party for the White House.
    1. +7
      14 September 2012 09: 34
      Any sober-minded person understands that the events of recent months are not accidental. September 11, the action in the Temple of Christ, Europe, Turkey thought about whether it is worth poking around in Syria. Arab world powder keg. A thread goes up and down. The Americans thought they were puppeteers, and there it turned out.
      1. vladimir64ss
        +7
        14 September 2012 09: 42
        Quote: Bort Radist
        A thread goes up and down

        Gaddafi and got out and took revenge from there? Handsomely.
      2. elenasvetlova
        +1
        14 September 2012 16: 08
        a boomerang will fly to their head ..... and then the world will become calmer for a while
    2. Director
      +6
      14 September 2012 09: 47
      I agree with you. the Americans wouldn’t just feed the ambassador.
      1. Karish
        +1
        14 September 2012 22: 48
        Quote: director
        I agree with you. the Americans wouldn’t just feed the ambassador.

        Iraqi citizens living near the British military base in Basra have accused the military of using terrible biological weapons against the local population - huge bear-like cannibalistic badgers, reports the Daily Telegraph

        In Iraq - there was a test, and in Libya they used it, but the program was buggy. Here they are beasts
  7. +7
    14 September 2012 09: 22
    God - not fraer - marks the huck!
    I experienced the deepest satisfaction from what happened! Finally the boomerang is back! Now, even in Egypt, the amers will be cut, or where else will they begin to be terribly surprised at why so !? In short, we are waiting for the continuation!
  8. +1
    14 September 2012 09: 26
    everything is back to square one. what they fought for ..
    I have already stopped feeling sorry for amers.
    1. Imyaerogliff
      +6
      14 September 2012 10: 22
      The most filthy and regrettable that the American people themselves are in a deep harlot !!!
      1. elenasvetlova
        +1
        14 September 2012 16: 10
        now they are gradually coming out of this stupor, but of course they are constantly stuffed with new batches of prodigal articles
  9. +27
    14 September 2012 09: 27
    How funny this photo reminds me of a photo of another man whose death from bearded terrorists was approved a year ago by Chris Stevenson. I wonder if he thought that he would end his life from a similar angle! Deja vu however!
    1. Brother Sarych
      +5
      14 September 2012 10: 02
      The script has been worked out - they’re not dragging the first one ...
      Only before the hands of the Americans did not reach ...
    2. +7
      14 September 2012 10: 31
      Sow the wind - reap the storm! Colonel avenging himself !!
    3. sergskak
      +8
      14 September 2012 10: 53
      Trailer, Good photo. Once again, MMSs are sending clintonshe. Here would be to see her reaction, her next Wow.
      1. +5
        14 September 2012 11: 01
        The most fun was to see him like that! God forgive me! Rest in peace! And Libya - democracy!
      2. cool.ya-nikola
        0
        18 September 2012 15: 53
        On this photo, in theory, she will say: "OOPS!"
    4. Bismark
      +1
      14 September 2012 14: 52
      Vendetta in Libyan.
    5. +4
      14 September 2012 16: 42
      Probably now there are those who declare me bloodthirsty and naminusut, but in my opinion there is not enough third photo here - a photo of Gila Clitors in a similar perspective. She just deserved it! Negative ...
      1. sergskak
        0
        14 September 2012 22: 40
        Quote: axpert2008
        the third photo is missing - photo by Hiloy Clitors
        Not far off, you will see soon.
  10. +5
    14 September 2012 09: 28
    “Apparently, the American political elites, who started the machine of regional revolutions, did not know very well how such revolutions usually end. If they sat down at least at school textbooks on the history of world revolutions, they would see that very often the revolution tends to grind not only those against whom it was organized, but then those who organized it. " They all knew very well and perfectly understand what they were doing ... they bring radical Islamists to power, destroying the pillars of stability ... they need an enemy and a large, long-term hotbed of instability, stimulate the economy ... their leading economists said this ... I would not be surprised if and the assassination of this ambassador is a planned action ... their Republican elections are lagging behind ...
    1. +1
      14 September 2012 10: 32
      so half of the population is completely illiterate!
  11. +6
    14 September 2012 09: 31
    You guys do not even start srach here. be wiser.
  12. +11
    14 September 2012 09: 33
    All this was done by specialists from the USA. Their goal is to destabilize the region and the Muslim world as a whole. The basic idea is to start a religious war! Over the ocean they will not swim to cut the infidels, but will go to the borders of Russia !!! Yes, it is against Russia. After all, we have a lot of religious country. Quarreling us to plunge into a civil war on the basis of religion is their goal! An example of the action of rabid slut very clearly showed how the society reacts to regilious provocations, the United States picked up this idea. I think in the future we should expect something similar with other religions! The ambassador’s life is nothing compared to the chaos and terror in Russia and at its borders!
    1. +4
      14 September 2012 10: 33
      70% of Arabs in France, half of the population in Germany, and a sufficient number in the states ... So ...
      1. +4
        14 September 2012 10: 51
        Good morning friends!
        Quote: vezunchik
        70% of Arabs in France, half of the population in Germany

        Here I do not agree with you. In France, I am often 25% saglosen but not 70%.
        In Germany, somewhere 3,5 million muslims at 80 mil. population.

        I do not understand religions. But today is Friday and the muslimman has some important prayer. So after a sacred prayer it can burn.
        1. +5
          14 September 2012 11: 02
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          I do not understand religions. But today is Friday and the muslimman has some important prayer.

          Hi Henry, yes it’s Friday and after evening prayer in Egypt, the American embassy will begin to crackle. And the fact that in France is only 25%, but they are much more united than the remaining 75% and this is a big advantage.
          1. +6
            14 September 2012 11: 22
            hi guys. Henry does not seem to be with you, unless artificially. Germany managed not to get into this adventure. So now look will manifest as a litmus. If you hesitate then this is a planned action to persuade Germany to take action. Do not go to the grandmother!

            But you can’t. you need to feed the Greeks, save Europe. Soros heard you already puts forward ultimatums.
            1. +3
              14 September 2012 12: 12
              Yes, the guys agree with you entirely. While here it’s quiet, the security of the American Embassy in Berlin was strengthened yesterday, workers with fear fell out of work for three or four hours. But as reporters said in vain, everything is calm.
              It seems to me that it will be pretty calm. There are also Salafists, but somehow everything happens within the framework. You are right artificially can do but it will be Turks and Kurds. Yesterday was pretty quiet in Cologne. Germany has a good intelligence technique, they are trying to do it at the borders to "eavesdrop". About two months ago, one boat and the Syrian coast was eavesdropping on could "hover" 600 km into the depths. So there was such a high wai that the guard was raised.
              Yes, now again they will go to the grandmother. On Wednesday, the constitutional court allowed. Only the former finance minister said "the declared amount has always increased several times."
              1. +3
                14 September 2012 12: 27
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                Yes, now again the grandmother will go to them.

                Henry, but to feed terrorism itself is idiocy. The first will receive France 100%, then more.
                1. +2
                  14 September 2012 14: 05
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Henry, but to feed terrorism itself is idiocy. The first will receive France 100%, then more.

                  Sasha, everything is absolutely true. When I get the impression that there are no French. There are a lot of blacks on the streets, they don’t want to work. they do not want to learn the language; they are going to sell drugs in groups. Money in everyone’s pocket is not more than the size of the monthly allowance, but what kind of cars do you need to pay for insurance and tax, all the annual allowance for this is neither eat nor drink and sleep under the bridge over the Seine.

                  Only I made a mistake in my post, did not write Greece. I addressed this to Sasha Sparrow. "save Getia."
                  I beg your pardon.
    2. +5
      14 September 2012 11: 38
      For JonnyT№
      You are right, I dare to continue your thought by the fact that the amers planned all this for a long time, perhaps even after the collapse of the USSR, when border conflicts between countries began. The plan for the collapse and collapse of the USSR worked, but to the surprise of the arrogant Saxons, Russia survived and retained the Army and Navy, and then a new plan was born for the destruction of Russia, namely the destruction, but how to achieve this? With the help of religious clashes. And how to get to the border areas? With the help of Islamic radicals. That's how the two Chechen wars got, and the instability in the Caucasus, now the arrogant Saxons have looked at Tatarstan too.
      In general, you need to take a moment and show the whole world what results the foreign policy of the arrogant Saxons gives.
      This is the first call to their door, if they do not understand this, then ... perhaps the whole world will blaze.
  13. Owl
    +4
    14 September 2012 09: 38
    It has become a tradition among the "bestial" Libyan Islamic radicals to arrange "photo sessions" with the bodies of the dead and dying. With the help of NATO Special Forces, they took pictures with M. Gaddafi still alive, now they are posing with the body of the US Ambassador. American "democratizers", in order to achieve their national goals, began to "feed and direct" Al-Qaeda and Muslim extremists. The Americans have achieved their goals, or continue to act to achieve them, they hope that their Islamic terrorism will not achieve, but Al-Qaeda and Muslim extremists have enough strength to organize and carry out a major terrorist act in the United States, this will also be beneficial State Department, because under the guise of "fighting terrorism", it will be possible, as 11 years ago, to justify aggression against Syria, Iran or any other designated "friend of terrorists".
  14. amikan
    +6
    14 September 2012 09: 39
    I get the feeling that Uncle Sam deliberately went to this, supporting and sponsoring the Jewish provocateurs in order to spit in the souls of Muslim believers.
    Only now has he brewed and insisted this porridge, he will sip along with his younger brothers from Europe to the end of his days, amen.
    And I absolutely do not mind them.
    I listened yesterday to Shevchenko’s speech on the Echo of Tel Aviv (Echo of Moscow) that the ambassador was driving to some sort of safe house, from where he was carried out and taken by the hand ...
    Bitches Amer.
  15. wolverine7778
    0
    14 September 2012 09: 40
    Nakula Basley Nakula is to blame for everything, I hope Muslims get to this scum)))
    1. +4
      14 September 2012 09: 56
      Quote: wolverine7778
      Nakula Basley Nakula is to blame for everything, I hope Muslims get to this scum)))


      do not get it already guarded.! IMHO
      1. -2
        14 September 2012 10: 02
        Quote: Apollon
        do not get it already guarded.! IMHO
        Why don’t you call mega?
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          14 September 2012 12: 20
          Quote: Allex28
          Why don’t you call mega?
          Do you need to get a call ??
          Alone?
          1. +1
            14 September 2012 12: 24
            Quote: Yarbay
            Do you need to get a call ??
            Alone?
            He threatened me in PM yesterday, I left him my phone number and offered to meet (he also lives in Germany), so that this does not constitute any problem.
            1. spender
              +5
              14 September 2012 12: 29
              Quote: Allex28
              , I left him my phone number and offered to meet (he also lives in Germany)

              One is bored with rolling bearings, the two of course are more fun .. Again, in the old Audi you can drive one pushes, the other drives, then the change ... Right Disney Land laughing
              1. +1
                14 September 2012 12: 35
                Quote: spender
                One is bored with rolling bearings, it’s certainly more fun together .. Again, in the old Audi you can drive one pushes, the other drives, then the change ... Right Disney Land is some kind of laughing
                And Apollo said that you are his friend, and you laugh at him, you have a strange friendship. And about Audi I definitely noticed Audi
                1. spender
                  0
                  14 September 2012 12: 49
                  Quote: Allex28
                  And about Audi I definitely noticed Audi

                  I know, however, others are also in the know. Well, friendship with Apollo has nothing to do with it. He is an adult and has the right to decide for himself what to do ... What have I to do with it? request
            2. Yarbay
              +5
              14 September 2012 12: 39
              aah !!!
              and what are you going to fight?))))))))
              to teach a lesson?))))))))
              So all our residency fail))) kill each other)))))))))
              1. -2
                14 September 2012 12: 48
                Quote: Yarbay
                aah !!!
                and what are you going to fight?))))))))
                to teach a lesson?))))))))
                So all our residency fail))) kill each other)))))))))

                But I don’t laugh.
                1. Yarbay
                  +5
                  14 September 2012 12: 59
                  Quote: Allex28
                  But I don’t laugh.

                  You are an adult!
                  Exercise exposure!
                  Relax, maybe someday he’ll call, invite you to a glass of cold misted vodka!))
            3. +7
              14 September 2012 12: 47
              Quote: Allex28
              He threatened me in PM yesterday, I left him my phone number and offered to meet (he also lives in Germany), so that this does not constitute any problem.


              you have nowhere to put energy in you men, and who will save Greece? I AM?
              1. -4
                14 September 2012 12: 54
                Quote: vorobey
                you have nowhere to put energy in you men, and who will save Greece? I AM?

                Go to the forum road spoon for dinner, something to diminish, especially the Apollo pearl with Sherlock’s revelations, and I just didn’t see it in childhood.
                1. +3
                  14 September 2012 13: 38
                  Quote: Allex28
                  Go to the forum road spoon for dinner, something to diminish, especially the Apollo pearl with Sherlock’s revelations, and I just didn’t see it in childhood.


                  change the avatar do not disgrace Isaev, Watson!
                  1. -1
                    14 September 2012 14: 10
                    Quote: Apollon
                    change the avatar do not disgrace Isaev, Watson!
                    Notice I didn’t start. And you Apollo just to face.
                    1. spender
                      +1
                      14 September 2012 14: 12
                      Quote: Allex28
                      Notice I did not start.

                      I join Apollo’s wish and suggest changing the ava clone to Donkey Eeyore, for harmony wink
                      1. -1
                        14 September 2012 14: 14
                        Quote: spender
                        I join Apollo’s wish and suggest changing the ava clone to Donkey Eeyore, for harmony
                        the proposal was accepted. I didn’t find a suitable donkey (unless I put your photo) let it be like Oleg’s
                      2. Oleg0705
                        -4
                        14 September 2012 18: 31
                        You shouldn’t have contacted these feline worms in vain, there’s no sense from them either to the site or visitors, now you’ll go along my path sadly winked On the site of the men there was no more pissing to contact with them, they frightened everyone, even the coolest. Here and bend their own. am
                        And this proskladskladspetsnazovets yesterday finally drove with exposures laughing Fucking Kamisar Cat Riding fool by the way I have his photo Yes

                        Izya shalam! Yes, I’m in the bastard to watch how, without exception, everyone tremble before these feline worms bully .

                        Alex28 is generally not at work, but they take it for me and spread rot am
                      3. Izzy
                        -5
                        14 September 2012 18: 37
                        Oleg brother, I beg you to leave these kazazlov alone. They still rake their full.
                      4. Izzy
                        -5
                        14 September 2012 19: 16
                        yes spit on all you need it? rescue drowning hands of the drowning themselves throw, to whom you want to prove something?
                      5. Evil Tatar
                        -2
                        14 September 2012 21: 10
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        In vain you contacted these feline worms, there is no sense in them either to the site or visitors, now you will go my way sadly On the site of men there was no more pissing to contact them, they frightened everyone, even the coolest.

                        Stop declaring so categorically ...
                        I and Apollo formed a temporary neutrality ...
                        But I keep an eye on its development ...
                        If it will be really hard and to the point, then invite for debriefing ...

                        After all, we are not pissing with Trezorka at the border,
                        Tresor does not sleep and I do not piss ...))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
              2. Odessa
                +3
                14 September 2012 12: 55
                vorobey,
                you have nowhere to put energy in you men, and who will save Greece? I AM?

                Sparrows, of course you! No one but you! Not everyone has blades!
          2. Odessa
            +6
            14 September 2012 12: 26
            Yarbay,
            Do you need to get a call ??
            Alone?

            Alibek’s subtle humor))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))
            ))))))) +++++++!
            1. Yarbay
              +5
              14 September 2012 12: 41
              hi esther !!
              The world is restless)))))))
              1. Odessa
                +2
                14 September 2012 12: 46
                Yarbay,
                hi esther !!
                The world is restless)))))))

                And why do you need to exchange phone numbers? laughing
                1. Yarbay
                  +4
                  14 September 2012 12: 49
                  Quote: Odessa
                  And why do you need to exchange phone numbers?
                  I know what I’ve thought about, remember the shots from the movie about Shtirlitsa, he bakes potatoes in the fireplace there, sings vodka, and here Apollo would be useful)))))))))))))
                  1. Odessa
                    +1
                    14 September 2012 12: 53
                    Yarbay,
                    I know what I’ve thought about, remember the shots from the movie about Shtirlitsa, he bakes potatoes in the fireplace there, sings vodka, and here Apollo would be useful)))))))))))))

                    I like the joke more.
                    Cigarette butts in flowers, socks on a chandelier. There is an unfinished bottle of vodka on the table. So proudly alone, Stirlitz celebrated on February 23rd.
                  2. +3
                    14 September 2012 13: 34
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I know what I’ve thought about, remember the shots from the movie about Shtirlitsa, he bakes potatoes in the fireplace there, sings vodka, and here Apollo would be useful)))))))))))))


                    I'm Alibek here, what is needed, as for both Alex and me, he understood me well, therefore they spoke without an interpreter. Aufiderzeen Allex28.
                    1. -4
                      14 September 2012 13: 40
                      Quote: Apollon
                      Aufiderzeen Allex28.
                      Yeah, admittedly.
                      1. +1
                        14 September 2012 13: 44
                        Quote: Allex28
                        Yeah all the same admitted


                        You tell the girls whether they recognize you or not. bullyWe drove through!
                      2. -3
                        14 September 2012 13: 51
                        Quote: Apollon
                        You tell the girls whether they recognize you or not. bully
                        They certainly do not recognize you laughing hi
                      3. +4
                        14 September 2012 13: 55
                        Quote: Allex28
                        They certainly do not recognize you
                    2. Yarbay
                      +2
                      14 September 2012 13: 50
                      Quote: Apollon
                      I'm Alibek here, what is needed, as for both Alex and me, he understood me well, therefore they spoke without an interpreter. Aufiderzeen Allex28.
                      I hope you understand each other!
                      And you are older than me you know better !!
                      with respect!!
                2. -1
                  14 September 2012 12: 51
                  Quote: Odessa
                  And why do you need to exchange phone numbers? laughing
                  nothing funny when cats you idiots accuse you of all mortal sins, thank God I don’t imagine how many people would die because of it.
                  1. spender
                    +2
                    14 September 2012 12: 59
                    Quote: Allex28
                    cats are idiots accused of all mortal sins, thank God I’m not the 37th I can imagine how many people would die because of him.

                    I do not care Vinka, how do you climb into the victims of Stalinist repressions ... wassat
                    Created a clone
                    Rubbed in trust
                    Was exposed

                    Everything to the wall !!! Sawdust for processing, skin for auction, shit for fertilizer !!! laughing
                    1. -2
                      14 September 2012 13: 02
                      Quote: spender
                      Everything to the wall !!! Sawdust for recycling, skin for auction, shit for fertilizer !!

                      Tongue on hold, yap.
                      1. spender
                        +7
                        14 September 2012 13: 05
                        Quote: Allex28
                        Hold the tongueyap.

                        I find out, old Vinka, the little words break through ... wink
                        No, urgently change the ava to Pastor Schlag, you just like he "slept" on Blumenstrasse laughing
                      2. Odessa
                        +6
                        14 September 2012 13: 09
                        spender,
                        No, urgently change the ava to Pastor Schlag, you just like he "slept" on Blumenstrasse

                        Stierlitz heard the sound of a tree hitting against asphalt; this is Pasteur Slag was returning from Switzerland on skis.
                      3. Yarbay
                        +5
                        14 September 2012 13: 09
                        Quote: spender
                        No, urgently change the ava to Pastor Schlag, you just like he "slept" on Blumenstrasse
                        The main thing is to have time to put a flower pot at the window))))))) and then Pleischner will fail again)))))))
                    2. VAF
                      VAF
                      +6
                      14 September 2012 13: 22
                      Quote: spender
                      Everything to the wall !!! Sawdust for processing, skin for auction, shit for fertilizer !!!


                      Sanka me the same yesterday .. I was convinced ... more humane, di and Zhenya type ... the same .....

                      and I spoke and I say ..... only ODOB !!! +! angry And then ... no problems and sracha! wassat

                      1. spender
                        +5
                        14 September 2012 13: 25
                        Quote: vaf
                        and I spoke and I say ..... only ODOB !!! +! And then ... no problems and sracha!

                        Serega, hello! drinks I have only just started to move away from your yesterday’s photo with drinks
                        And you already post new Armageddon wassat
                  2. Yarbay
                    +5
                    14 September 2012 13: 01
                    Quote: Allex28
                    nothing funny,

                    Ok we will be extremely serious !!
                    When meeting with Apollo, I will convey to him your discontent and the fact that the venue cannot be changed !!
                    Only everything is necessary according to the rules, seconds and all that!
                3. spender
                  +5
                  14 September 2012 12: 52
                  Quote: Odessa
                  And why do you need to exchange phone numbers?

                  To make things even more uncomfortable in Germany ... Their state debt "goes off scale" for every German (newborns and old people are also counted) more than 24 euros each, so they need to "multiply" and not kill each friend winked
                  1. +4
                    14 September 2012 13: 23
                    Quote: spender
                    than 24 euros each, so they need to "multiply"

                    Well, yes, and then we will again reduce the population. bully
    2. Lakkuchu
      +5
      14 September 2012 10: 42
      He is a performer and, besides, he is nowhere worthless judging by the film, more important are those who are behind this provocation, those who ordered and financed this "film". They knew perfectly well what reaction would follow. A real information war is going on against ISLAM. Pay attention to the regularity of such attacks, sometimes cartoons, then fucking ... Terry Jones, now this "movie". The same war begins against ORTHODOXY.
  16. +2
    14 September 2012 09: 44
    America has changed some kind of but power to complete chaos and anarchy in these unfortunate countries ..... very sad, I hope they someday find it - so much suffering for people
  17. +7
    14 September 2012 09: 45
    The Stars Stripes are adept at organizing color revolutions and overthrowing legitimate regimes. But with a miscalculation of the consequences, they were completely strained. Their absolute confidence in the ideality of the American version of democracy is letting them down. The mentality of the country, which was formed out of all razor-sized people, by historical standards, just yesterday, can in no way suit countries and peoples, whose history has been going on for centuries. Moreover, the Yankees are very inconsistent. And if they say in public the word "nigger" is even worse than we just matyugnutsya, that in relation to other nations and religions they allow such vysery that the consequences of not just being predskazuemye.I, beat these effects it is for them samim.Hotya , a flag in their hands and a drum around their neck, let them get what they deserve.
  18. Fost325
    +6
    14 September 2012 09: 51
    Americans believe only in Santa Claus, therefore they allow themselves to play on the feelings of believers of different religions, so the scumbags have played out, now, as in that song, it is sung - "the holiday comes to them" !!!
  19. +5
    14 September 2012 09: 57
    And almost, exactly a year ago.


    QUESTION: (Can a faction struggle lead to failure at the fronts?)

    Mr. Stevens: No, because the multinational corporation does not rely on those militants who are unreliable. Those on whom he relies are very disciplined. This is the first. And the second thing is that the naughty units are just local militias, gathering from time to time to fight in their area. In general terms, they do not solve anything.

    QUESTION - (There is information that TNK troops themselves are grossly violating human rights. Is this right? How serious is this and how are revolutionaries fighting it?)

    Mr. Stevens: Yes, yes. I spoke with representatives of Human Rights Watch, who saw all this in different places, and they have very serious evidence. We spoke firmly with the leadership of TNK, and it was scared and worried. The leaders firmly stated that they intend to protect human rights, comply with international law and humane attitude to the enemy. They do not want to be thought of worse than Gaddafi and his soldiers. Now that they all know about various unfortunate facts, they will fight them.

    http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1368


    As there, Alla sings: - "Tolya will still be ......"
  20. Brother Sarych
    +6
    14 September 2012 09: 59
    Yes, as it comes around, it responded! All this is wrong, of course, such chaos, but they themselves carefully raised these "democrats" - so eat to your health ...
  21. +2
    14 September 2012 10: 05
    Everything is "according to plan": the more crap is going on in the BV, the cheaper (in the end) oil from there ... recourse
  22. Skavron
    +2
    14 September 2012 10: 06
    World jihad? not?
  23. +3
    14 September 2012 10: 06
    WHAT TO VISIT, THEN TO REAP, THE LORD FORGOT FROM FAINTINTON, ABOUT SIMPLE TRUTS OR DO NOT KNOW THEM ...
  24. Alonso
    +8
    14 September 2012 10: 06
    But Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin warned the Americans in particular and NATO in general that this is a dangerous practice, fomenting revolutions in the Arab states, this can lead to unpredictable and dire consequences. Now I think he can proudly declare: "I told you so!"
  25. Sergooff
    +4
    14 September 2012 10: 07
    And what do you think that all this is done with one goal in mind ... the destruction of all existing religions and the creation of one single?
    1. 0
      14 September 2012 11: 45
      for sergooff
      I think that, religion has nothing to do with it, arrogant Saxons, at least the ruling elite are atheists and atheists. And they pursue one goal: TO SAVE HIS HEMEMONY IN THE WORLD, STRENGTHEN THE INFLUENCE ON OTHER COUNTRIES, AND UNDERREST TO DESTROY, AND REMAIN IN THE END, THE ONLY MANAGING ALL AND OVER ALL PEOPLES !!!
  26. +2
    14 September 2012 10: 31
    How do you say there ???
    congratulations !!! gentlemen s.
  27. +6
    14 September 2012 10: 33
    interestingly it turns out all the same, first they gave democracy, and then they "got rid of" it. but still I can't believe that it happened so simply. Could the administration of the states, having killed one of its own, knock down all who are objectionable in Libya. I do not think that already there is no one who would not support Gaddafi. if there are such, then they must be finally destroyed, which means that hostilities can continue. apparently, it is beneficial for the Americans to turn the state of Libya into complete chaos ... it's a pity, but I would really like them all the same received a serious rebuff. and the author of the article plus
  28. 0
    14 September 2012 10: 46
    ukepecurrenolongl
  29. with
    +7
    14 September 2012 10: 49
    Anyway, the question remains open!
    Is this a planned US action or is it really a mess of the wobbling masses ??
    1. +1
      14 September 2012 21: 01
      I think the first one. They could not help but calculate the consequences.
  30. anchonsha
    +7
    14 September 2012 10: 51
    It is a pity that so far it is quiet in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the hangers-on of the American "democracy", who have led the money aid to terror in Syria. If the same turmoil took place in these very democratic countries, then Syria would benefit from this. In general, Putin's words were confirmed - do not carry democracy on bayonets, it will be rejected.
  31. +11
    14 September 2012 10: 54
    the main thing in this matter is still control ................. oh, golden-headed, forty-forty
    our seemingly quiet yet, the American consulates do not burn
    1. +7
      14 September 2012 11: 21
      great photo, we also have it, when Easter, the police keep order and thank God, everything is quiet and peaceful. Islam itself has become a symbol of something terrible, scary. and if you read the Qur'an, it’s a very peaceful religion that does not call for violence. but thanks to the powerful information flow, Muslims became afraid. And the Muslims themselves can be understood, their feelings are hurt. I apologize for the incorrect comparison, but this is similar to when a girl abandons you and you become aggressive. And plus, we should not forget about the influence Islam in a particular region
      1. +8
        14 September 2012 12: 53
        Quote: Gentleman
        when a girl throws you and you become aggressive


        Brother, take a word. if the girl left you it is still unknown who was lucky.

        Quote: Gentleman
        and if you read the Qur'an

        This is if you can read and think. Just like the Bible. They only interpret how they benefit from both. Sincerely.
        1. +3
          14 September 2012 14: 07
          I agree, depending on who is lucky)))) but as regards reading, the classic version of the Quran and the Bible are all so aimed at good
      2. +2
        14 September 2012 13: 21
        They asked Kozma Prutkov; "Which is more important - the sun or the moon?"
        He replied: "Of course, the Moon. Because the Sun shines during the day, when it is already light, and the Moon is at night."
        Then he thought and added: "However, the Sun not only shines, but also warms."
        This is me to the fact that we must respect the beliefs of all nations, but soberly evaluate them.
        And the fact that Koranic Islam ended somewhere in the 10 century, and real historical Islam is very different from it. Unfortunately, there are plenty of examples in our life.
  32. lm_
    +1
    14 September 2012 11: 09
    If the action is planned very carefully, it means that the organizers planned something dark!
    1. 0
      14 September 2012 14: 50
      Quote: lm_
      If the action is planned very carefully, it means that the organizers planned something dark!

      Yes, now there is a reason to send troops, two destroyers have already arrived. The United States needs war, it is in debt.
  33. Green
    +1
    14 September 2012 11: 18
    These actions were predictable.
    Or, which is also possible, all of this was predicted and conceived.
    For what ? We will understand a little later ...
    It is not that simple.
  34. +8
    14 September 2012 11: 28
    I recalled a comment by an American patriot on this site.
    He then said that let anyone try to break into the US Embassy in any country. They say their marines will kill all supermen. And who would dare to do this?
    Here is an unreserved USA patriot and the answer to your question.
    1. Green
      +6
      14 September 2012 11: 31
      Quote: Manager
      Like their marines, supermen will kill everyone.


      If someone needs it, then no "supermen" will save.
      Will rush in and bend in full and "supermen" and those whom they will try to protect !!!!
      1. Denzel13
        +4
        14 September 2012 11: 54
        That’s for sure, there would be a desire to tear their guard to pieces.
      2. +4
        14 September 2012 12: 02
        I'm more than sure that they are supermen ONLY in Hollywood
    2. 0
      14 September 2012 13: 47
      100500%, it was such a pity it will be hard to find
      1. 0
        14 September 2012 17: 38
        I will find !!! A minute!
  35. vastorg
    +1
    14 September 2012 11: 36
    Nothing can be done. The costs and risks of working with animals sometimes break out of their cells and cripple trainers and owners.
  36. Ataturk
    +14
    14 September 2012 11: 46
    I appeal to all Jews.

    With all due respect, not very good things are being done on your behalf.
    I urge you, personally you, to begin to oppose such actions.
    On your behalf, they begin to stir up water, and then there will be HOLOCAUST number 2, but who is to blame? I don’t know why Hitler killed a Jew, various fables tell, but seeing what is happening today, I’ll tell you on your behalf, they are leading a massacre, they are doing everything to make everyone, including Christians, hate you.
    As a result, HISTORY WILL BE REPEATED again with the Holocaust. Every time I look for an excuse for the actions of Jews in Palestine, but I see what other Jews do, this is not good.

    I, as a person, ask everyone to understand that, a certain bunch of scum, poison peoples against each other. We are called animals, but the question is, who is the beast more, the one who tears the QURAN in the toilet or the one who avenges his faith?
    Who is more scum, the one who provokes or the one who defends his rights?

    But everyone knows how Muslims are painful towards the faith, so why poke there?

    Here is the first scum of the Dutchman



    Who made a film that offends Muslims. On the body of the fallen woman, the Qur'anic suras were written.

    So who is the beast?
    1. with
      +3
      14 September 2012 12: 19
      Ataturk, good afternoon.

      Quote: Ataturk
      With all due respect, not very good things are being done on your behalf.
      I urge you, personally you, to begin to oppose such actions.

      Look what a 10 year old boy says.

      1. Ataturk
        +5
        14 September 2012 12: 34
        Quote: met
        Look what a 10 year old boy says.

        HELLO MET.
        Thank you for the video. The Qur'an says that Christians and Muslims will unite to start a war against the Jews. The boy is telling the truth.

        As I said above, the Holocaust is number 2. I know many Jews, commoners and pretty good people, but it will be a pity that because of a bunch of scum Zionists, they will suffer. I said this, it is necessary for them, the people of Israel, to rebel over the fact that this scum says that I am a JEWISH.
        1. with
          +8
          14 September 2012 12: 55
          Quote: Ataturk
          As I said above, the Holocaust is number 2. I know many Jews, commoners and pretty good people, but it will be a pity that because of a bunch of scum Zionists, they will suffer.


          Ataturk, I already wrote, but I repeat to you separately, there are Jews, and there are Jews (I do not insult the Jewish nation in any way)

          Not every Jew who is a Jew or Jew

          Then paradise will come when the Jews will not.
          (Prophecy of the wise)


          Gumilev called this type of "people" subpassionaries, their philosophy is "look for where it is better", "be always on the side of the strong." Or "after us - even a flood." The main thing for the suba is his selfish desires, his passion for material goods, satiety and money. They become for him not a means, but a goal of life. For their sake, he will betray and sell everyone - a comrade, his homeland, his own mother. Subpassionaries give birth to traitors, many gangsters and mafiosi, deserters from the battlefield. They are cowardly and submissive to strong authorities. But as soon as she weakens, they turn into cruel beasts. This is human waste. Regardless of education, religion and origin. A party card sub can be a democrat or a communist, a liberal or a conservative, easily changing his color.

          .
          1. Yarbay
            0
            14 September 2012 13: 02
            Quote: met
            there are Jews, and there are Jews (

            You wrote to me and I categorically disagreed with you)))))))))))
            1. Ataturk
              0
              14 September 2012 13: 10
              Quote: Yarbay
              You wrote to me and I categorically disagreed with you)))))))))))

              Dear brother, I have watched more than once a video where real Jews protested against the Zionists. They rallied in the United States, for the Palestinians. They shouted ... Palestinians are not our enemies, we are not their enemies. My mother (Jewish words) said that she was nursed by the Palestinians, we borrowed money from each other. We lived together.

              And the Jews or who, I call them Zionists, are not Jews but barbarians. Animals cannot have faith and religion.
              1. Yarbay
                +2
                14 September 2012 13: 17
                I will repeat for you my dear Omar!
                If the word Jew would be used not only in relation to * bad * Jews, then I would agree with you and with Met !!
                And so I consider this word to be Nazi!
              2. +1
                14 September 2012 19: 13
                Ataturk
                Hmm. For rams descending from the city of Word Jew entrenched in the Western Slavic languages ​​for the name of the Jewish people, this is a transcription modification of the word yude , which in the Germanic languages ​​means Jews, in turn, is a transcriptional modification of the Hebrew word yehudiwhich the Hebrew Jews call themselves. This word has a derogatory meaning in Eastern European languages, but again to refer to all Jews, without dividing them into good and bad.
                A Zionist is any Jew who lives in Israel and believes that all the Jews of the world should live there. The main goal of Zionism is to gather the Jewish people.
                All this is widely known and only the laziness of the mind prevents some gentlemen from reading these facts on the Internet.
                1. Ataturk
                  +1
                  14 September 2012 20: 34
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Any Jew is a Zionist

                  Are you sure? And who else do you call coming down from the mountains ????
                  1. +2
                    14 September 2012 21: 25
                    Anyone living in Israel for this is the meaning of Zionism, to collect all Jews in the land of Zion.
                2. Yarbay
                  0
                  14 September 2012 20: 37
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Hmm. For rams descended from the mountains.

                  Well, your expressions from the sheep have not gone far !!
                  1. +2
                    14 September 2012 21: 23
                    Well, what do you think I should respond to a discussion like: the Jews bastards, and the Jews can still be tolerated. Perhaps I am not a correct Jew, but due to the fact that since childhood I was very large and physically strong (after all, a descendant of Astrakhan bindyuzhniks), I was not used to rubbing rudeness towards myself and the address of my loved ones. Age, of course, rolled the "sivka on steep hills" and if you look at the whole topic from the first message, you will see that your fellow countryman is rude endlessly, and I held back.
                    For you personally, I’ll say that the husband of my cousin Aktai, who lives on the next street, tells your friend Jewwould tear out the tongue. Well, you understand me. Hello hello, Maiden Tower. Amazing place! drinks
                    1. Ataturk
                      +1
                      14 September 2012 21: 43
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Well, what do you think I should respond to a discussion like: Jews are bastards, but Jews can still be tolerated.


                      And who wrote this?
                      1. +1
                        14 September 2012 22: 20
                        You reread all your posts in the discussion of this article. Even if my brakes were smoke-filled and I was frankly rude, it means that you have taken the stick.
                    2. +2
                      14 September 2012 21: 44
                      As I understand it now, the word train on the forum will automatically be foamed into the word Jew. It is right good ! He will remove a bunch of conflicts.
                    3. Kamilla
                      +1
                      14 September 2012 22: 27
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      You look at the whole topic from the first message, you will see that your fellow countryman was rude indefinitely, and I restrained myself.


                      dear ... where did you see rudeness? Who called Jews reptiles? we are talking about one person who made a film ... and a bunch of people who support it .... but how do you call people rams ... is that normal in your opinion?


                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Anyone living in Israel for this is the meaning of Zionism, to gather all the Jews in the land of Zion.


                      well, I suppose, I didn't know that either ... and? call me a sheep? ... thanks for enlightening ...


                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      For you personally, I’ll say that the husband of my cousin Aktai, who lives on the next street, would snatch your tongue out to your friend, a Jew.


                      well, I don’t know .. who would rip something out .... he will have to ... oh how many, to tear out on the site ...! and I dare to draw your attention, dear, that it is my compatriots, on this site, who constantly protect against attacks, and the state of Israel ... and respected, personally by me, Israelis, and all Jews .. (did I put it right?). ..so don't ...

                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Hello hello, Maiden Tower. Amazing place



                      here, I completely agree with you ... the place is really amazing ... like our whole city! good

                      Sincerely.
                      1. +4
                        14 September 2012 22: 41
                        Baku is a moan fellow ! His relatives were there twice as a boy and then in the middle of 80-X. And here in Israel, my cousins ​​with Azerbaijani husbands live very well, so I have a good attitude towards your people at the family level. wink
                        But your fellow countryman definitely went too far. Sincerely.
                      2. Kamilla
                        +1
                        14 September 2012 22: 53
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        And here in Israel, my cousins ​​with Azerbaijani husbands live very well, so I have a good attitude towards your people at the family level.


                        Thanks for the kind words. Peace to your home.

                        שלום און וווילטאָג צו דיין היים smile
                      3. Ataturk
                        +1
                        14 September 2012 23: 50
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        But your fellow countryman definitely went too far. Sincerely.


                        where I went too far, show me. What I said the Zionists and the Jews for me the same person?

                        You have read my posts poorly.
                      4. +1
                        15 September 2012 00: 30
                        Do you even understand what you are writing? There are no bad Jews and good Jews. This is nonsense of an uneducated person. Jews in the East Slavic languages ​​are called Jews, attaching an exclusively negative meaning to this word, as if, instead of mentioning nationality, Azerbaijanis said "lumps".
                        Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, aimed at reviving the national Jewish home. The main task of the Zionist movement is to gather the entire Jewish diaspora in the State of Israel.
                        Well, is it really so hard to search for the meaning of words, a complete understanding of which is not? After all, like the Internet is at hand. Well, show at least a little curiosity.
                      5. Ataturk
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 00: 59
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        There are no bad Jews and good Jews.


                        You know, you don’t need to make an idiot out of me who does not know who the Zionists are.
                        According to your faith, you do not have the right to have a state !!! This is one side of the coin !!!

                        Further, you say all Jews are Zionists, and I tell you, not all Jews are Zionists. If all Jews are Zionists, then my conversation with Jews will be closed forever !!!

                        But fortunately, I have often talked with people who say that YES ZIONISTS can become exclusively Jews, but not ALL JEWS are ZIONISTS.

                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Well, is it really so hard to search for the meaning of words, a complete understanding of which is not? After all, like the Internet is at hand. Well, show at least a little curiosity.


                        I showed so much curiosity that believe me, much more than you can imagine.

                        The word GID is used mainly in Russia. We don’t say a Jew in Azerbaijan. I have friends and acquaintances in Israel. I have never called all Jews Zionists and Jews. For me, other people are Zionists.

                        If you really want to know who I mean, then please see

                      6. +1
                        15 September 2012 11: 20
                        I agree with you, but draw Euler's circles for yourself and see how many Jews (those who are known to everyone) and also those who consider themselves as such will be in the circle of "Zioinists". It is no secret for an educated person in our time that the Jews are an artificial people, created precisely for what the Zionists are doing now, and no one has disputed this fact and has not proved the opposite.
          2. Ataturk
            +3
            14 September 2012 13: 05
            Quote: met
            Ataturk, I already wrote, but I repeat to you separately, there are Jews, and there are Jews (I do not insult the Jewish nation in any way)

            Not every Jew who is a Jew or Jew

            Then paradise will come when the Jews will not.
            (Prophecy of the wise)


            I have nothing to add to your words, my friend. +
      2. Yarbay
        +2
        14 September 2012 12: 54
        Dear Met!
        Me Merkava tanks more impressed !!))
        Of course, I am a deeply religious person, but in this case, I'm sorry, the attitude is skeptical !!
        1. Odessa
          +1
          14 September 2012 13: 01
          Yarbay,
          Me Merkava tanks more impressed !!))
          Of course, I am a deeply religious person, but in this case, I'm sorry, the attitude is skeptical !!

          Alibek, there are such moments in life when it is better to speak the truth from the tank!
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            14 September 2012 13: 13
            Quote: Odessa
            Alibek, there are such moments in life when it is better to speak the truth from the tank!
            Of course, and sometimes it’s better to remain silent at all!
            More and more often, the words of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came to my mind when he saw people laughing and joking out of measure, -If you knew what I know, you would laugh less and be sadder!
            1. Odessa
              +2
              14 September 2012 13: 29
              Yarbay,
              Of course, and sometimes it’s better to remain silent at all!

              Golden words and silence is gold! good
        2. with
          +1
          14 September 2012 13: 47
          Alibek, good afternoon.
          Quote: Yarbay
          Dear Met!
          Me Merkava tanks more impressed !!))

          Nothing personal!!!)))

          1. Yarbay
            +1
            14 September 2012 13: 56
            Quote: met
            Nothing personal!!!)))
            Good afternoon Met !!
            Thank you of course, but as far as I can see here the missile tank did not penetrate))))
            and you know you do not regret spread all that is)))
            I don’t think that you’ll dial at least a couple more of this))))))))))
            And now the Professor will come and show you and prove that this is all bullshit))
            Personally, my opinion is that this is the best tank for today !!
            1. with
              +2
              14 September 2012 14: 15
              Quote: Yarbay
              Thank you of course, but as far as I can see here the missile tank did not penetrate))))

              Of course, he himself decided to leave the battle !!!)))) bully

              Quote: Yarbay
              I don’t think that you’ll dial at least a couple more of this))))))))))

              I’ll collect a lot.



              Quote: Yarbay
              Personally, my opinion is that this is the best tank for today !!

              I am not a tanker, but I understand that Merkava is made only for a certain climate and he will not reach Siberia (which Siberia will die in the Central Organ), even if it is refueled every 15 minutes.
              So this is not the best tank, but I think it's better to talk with experts on this topic.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                14 September 2012 14: 27
                Quote: met
                I am not a tanker, but I understand that Merkava is made only for a certain climate and he will not reach Siberia (which Siberia will die in the Central Organ), even if it is refueled every 15 minutes.
                So this is not the best tank, but I think it's better to talk with experts on this topic.

                There is a theme where the respected tankers, led by the unrivaled Kars, have quite intelligently explained the advantage of Merkava!
                Well, you can read dear professor)))
                As for the climate, I have accurate data that this tank will not stall in Siberia either !!
                1. with
                  0
                  14 September 2012 14: 34
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  As for the climate, I have accurate data that this tank will not stall in Siberia either !!

                  And I have other dataThat he won’t even get there!!!))) bully
                  1. with
                    +3
                    14 September 2012 14: 38
                    And I have other dataThat he won’t even get there!!!))) bully

            2. Odessa
              +3
              14 September 2012 14: 19
              Yarbay,
              And now the Professor will come and show you and prove that this is all bullshit)

              The professor will not come, he will fly on a drone. laughing
              1. with
                +4
                14 September 2012 14: 29
                Quote: Odessa
                The professor will not come, he will fly on a drone.

                If only not on a broomstick!))) bully
                1. Odessa
                  +1
                  14 September 2012 15: 06
                  with,
                  Just think of the tree does not fit. wassat
              2. Yarbay
                +1
                14 September 2012 14: 29
                Quote: Odessa
                The professor will not come, he will fly on a drone.

                Esther has a professor talent !!
                I will never forget how he, in response to the pictures posted by Sergey, almost proved to all of us that the Israelis themselves shot down their planes!)))))))))
                1. Odessa
                  +1
                  14 September 2012 15: 04
                  Yarbay,
                  I will never forget how he, in response to the pictures posted by Sergey, almost proved to all of us that the Israelis themselves shot down their planes!)))))))))

                  There, in another branch of Tranzhir, he asks for the literal translation of the phrase
                  Please, who can translate this phrase into Russian
                  "
                  Earlier, law enforcement officers in the Kizlyar district of Dagestan blocked a group of militants, during a clash one soldier was wounded, one was killed
                  ."


                  The professor’s talent to teach information in this way)))))))))
                  1. spender
                    +2
                    14 September 2012 15: 08
                    Quote: Odessa
                    There, in another branch of Tranzhir, he asks for the literal translation of the phrase

                    There Klim Popov famously said that this is the master Yoda said wassat
                    1. Odessa
                      +1
                      14 September 2012 15: 13
                      spender,
                      There Klim Popov

                      Now I will know, and I call him Hippolytus. laughing
                  2. Yarbay
                    +1
                    14 September 2012 15: 16
                    [quote = Odessa] Talent of the professor to teach information in this way)))))))) [/ quote
                    Now I'll see, I collect this))))
                    1. Odessa
                      +2
                      14 September 2012 15: 38
                      Yarbay,
                      Now I'll see, I collect this))))

                      In Odessa they say this and the most interesting thing is written, unlike all the rules for drafting a proposal.
                      How does broadcasting in different cities begin:
                      - Attention! Says Moscow.
                      - Alas! Khovoryt Kyyyv.
                      - Akhtung! Heer Sprint Berlin.
                      - Shah! Odessa has a few words to say!
            3. +1
              15 September 2012 11: 34
              Quote: Yarbay
              but as far as I can see here the tank missile didn’t break through

              Well, if we assume that "did not break through"
              1. Why does the tank stand still and do not leave the shelling?
              2. The second shot finally killed him ??? )))
              1. Yarbay
                +1
                15 September 2012 11: 45
                Quote: segamegament
                Well, if we assume that "did not break through"
                1. Why does the tank stand still and do not leave the shelling?
                2. The second shot finally killed him ??? )))

                Dear segamegament !!
                The fact is that these videos have been answered many times by someone who is with me in bed, but who is valuable to me (although he often argues not about the case) Professor!
                So he proved to everyone in the topics that the tank survived after two missiles and that the crew was not injured))))
                with respect!
                1. Odessa
                  +2
                  15 September 2012 12: 10
                  Yarbay,
                  (although often argues not in the case)

                  It is not only the Professor who sins this, here the mentality is so peculiar bully
                  1. with
                    +3
                    15 September 2012 12: 20
                    Quote: Odessa
                    It is not only the Professor who sins this, here the mentality is so peculiar

                    They just look at the wrong "rockets (s)"!))) bully
                2. +1
                  15 September 2012 13: 41
                  Professor unquestioned authority in BTT? I don’t know this, sorry and I didn’t take part in that discussion ... at least let the reference be enlightened
                  Well then, a very simple question: all the first 2 shots fall on the left side of the Merkava and its left side of the tower (most likely this is Ptur, and the third RPG). After the first shot, the main engine of the shot flies to the side. The tank stands without moving, the barrel is lowered below the center line, attempts to deploy, if not the hull (with thicker frontal armor) towards the firing side (them), but even doesn’t turn the tower in that direction, can only talk about two things or the crew is already hit or was not there anymore. The famous video of the shooting of the Syrian T-72 clearly shows that after the first shot hits the box, the driver increases the speed by a maximum toppling out of the shelling. This is an axiom in any army in the world. So not everything is so explicit in this video ...
                  1. Yarbay
                    0
                    15 September 2012 13: 55
                    Quote: segamegament
                    Professor unquestioned authority in BTT? I don’t know this, sorry and I didn’t take part in that discussion ... at least let the reference be enlightened
                    no, for me there is the greatest authority in Kars tanks, but the Professor doesn’t like to lose and is technically well-versed)) I’ll try to find the link and throw it in your face !!
                    Quote: segamegament
                    Well then, a very simple question: all the first 2 shots fall on the left side of the Merkava and its left side of the tower (most likely this is Ptur, and the third RPG).

                    As far as I remember, the Professor believed that the first rocket didn’t reach the goal at all thanks to DZ, and the second missed the engine, I don’t remember about the third)))
                    The conclusion was that the tankers survived everything, but the tank was not badly damaged))
                    I ask you not to hit hard for this koment, since I am a novice lover of military equipment, served in the infantry, where in general I am interested in tanks only as targets !!
                    1. 0
                      15 September 2012 15: 34
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      As far as I remember, the Professor believed that the first rocket did not reach the goal at all thanks to DZ, and the second flashed the engine, I don’t remember about the third))) The conclusion was that the tankers survived everything, but the tank wasn’t badly damaged))

                      Will you, as an infantryman, be holding a weapon, being in an open and shot area, turn it towards the enemy attacking you, or will you also sit under fire without even turning the barrel towards the enemy? The instinct of self-preservation will force you to do this, and open at least not aimed fire. But if you have already been knocked out of spirit, you can’t do it anymore. Most likely the tank is already empty ...
                      1. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 15: 56
                        Quote: segamegament
                        Will you, as an infantryman, be holding a weapon, being in an open and shot area, turn it toward the enemy attacking you, or will you also sit under fire without even turning the barrel towards the enemy?

                        naturally turn !!
                        Quote: segamegament
                        But if you have already been knocked out of spirit, you can’t do it anymore. Most likely the tank is already empty ..

                        Perhaps I will not argue !!
    2. MakSim51ru
      0
      19 September 2012 17: 56
      Twin Towers ... Is this in response to the Quran torn in the toilet? And Volgodonsk, Moscow? Not much else in the Caucasus is marching under the Green Banner ...
  37. +5
    14 September 2012 11: 48
    Quote: vastorg
    Nothing can be done about the costs and risks of working with animals.

    Stupidity froze! These are people, and into cattle, they are turned by really non-humans, waving their star-striped, like Puxi Rice cowards. It’s not a pity to call these creatures, and it will be for their deeds.
  38. +4
    14 September 2012 12: 13
    Guys !!!
    They threw a "bunch" to us
    They threw this little filmman to Muslims (probably there were no candidates for the rally ?? - well, everyone wants to live)
    After all, what are they doing !!!
    After all, they are sure that no one will reach the ocean?
    And here it’s banging and fucking with it (Europe, Russia, the Middle East)
    All this strongly resembles "controlled chaos"
    But are you sure beyond the ocean that it is still MANAGED ???
    After all, if someone needs it, they will get it overseas ..
    1. Ataturk
      +6
      14 September 2012 12: 26
      Quote: submariner
      After all, what are they doing !!!
      After all, they are sure that no one will reach the ocean?


      Devote 18 minutes of your life to this video and understand everything.
      PROHIBITED TO SHOW IN THE USA


  39. Ataturk
    +5
    14 September 2012 12: 14
    Here it started !!!

    BANGLADESH. Thousands of Muslims break through to the building of the US Embassy.
    Publication time: September 13, 2012, 16:10
    Thousands of demonstrators in the capital of Bangladesh, Dhaka, were trying to break through to the US Embassy building today, Western sources said.

    According to local media reports, Muslims demanded an official apology from the United States for the release of an insulting film allegedly about the Prophet Muhammad (aleikh salat vassalam). Demonstrators shouted anti-American slogans and burned the US flag. No injuries were reported about the hassles.


    YEMEN. Muslims stormed US Embassy
    Publication time: September 13, 2012, 14:48
    Following the US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi, the US embassy in Yemen was attacked today. In the capital of Sana'a, Muslims, outraged by the release of a film about the Prophet Muhammad (alayhi salat vassalam), stormed the US embassy. The police opened fire.

    Among the demonstrators there are killed and wounded. It is also reported that one policeman was killed.

    Earlier it was reported that more than 30 people were injured. Among them - 16 protesters, three police officers and 11 soldiers involved in the defense of the US embassy, ​​Xinhua reports with reference to Yemeni television.


    Due to a couple of scum, people die.



    and now the truth about scum and coward

    According to the Echo of Moscow Sam Basil hid, fearing for his life. At the same time, Pastor Jones, who produced the film, intends to show it to his parishioners.

    The Western press reports that one of the Pentagon’s senior officials suggested that the infamous pastor would refuse to support the film, pointing out that the offensive film caused a wave of violence in the Middle East
    1. Kamilla
      +5
      14 September 2012 12: 26
      Quote: Ataturk
      According to Echo of Moscow, Sam Basil hid, fearing for his life.


      like a rat ... now until the end of his life he will hide ... so many innocents will die because of him ... ((((((((((((
      1. spender
        +6
        14 September 2012 12: 31
        Quote: Kamilla
        now until the end of life and will hide

        You definitely noticed this, but the most important thing here is that this "masterpiece" brought the end of life very much closer ... hi I don’t think he will live long. IMHO
      2. Ataturk
        +7
        14 September 2012 12: 37
        Quote: Kamilla
        like a rat ... now until the end of life and will hide ...


        One of these rats is in Denmark and in Sweden. Lives can be said at the police station. Danchan made a caricature of Mohamed. And he supported.

        2 de bb-la !!!

        And Breivik himself? He also killed children under the dictation of the Zionists. Why didn’t he kill? No one said. These children there protested against Israel. In defense of Palestinian children. For which they paid.

        And he was given 21 years in prison. Although the government of NORWAY should have changed the criminal code because of it. He had to be killed as in the film LEGALIZED CITIZEN, where the poor guy was led to the vein of hellish liquid.
        1. +4
          14 September 2012 12: 47
          Damn, Omar Ring the typo in the name request
          1. Odessa
            +5
            14 September 2012 12: 57
            Alexander Romanov,
            Damn, Omar Ring the typo in the name

            I understand everything, but with a sound you write Omar in Ukrainian. And with a typo and a no brainer, I posted three bottles of beer, now there will be typos in every word drinks
            1. +2
              14 September 2012 14: 20
              Quote: Odessa
              posted three bottles of beer

              The namesake had a good snack ... so everything in a bunch ...
          2. Ataturk
            +3
            14 September 2012 12: 58
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Damn, Omar Ring the typo in the name

            Everything is normal buddy)))) be healthy!
    2. +3
      14 September 2012 12: 29
      Hi Oman, well, it will continue to be distributed in the regions and TV news will help in this, I give 100% it will spread to Europe.
      1. Robin_3ON
        0
        14 September 2012 12: 32
        interesting, but in the US why is it quiet, or are there few Muslims ???
      2. Ataturk
        +4
        14 September 2012 12: 59
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, it will continue to be distributed in the regions and TV news will help in this, I give 100% it will spread to Europe.


        That's right, but in Europe, oh how many Muslims. Yes, and enough fanatics.
  40. tekinoral
    0
    14 September 2012 12: 37
    but it seems to me all this to distract the attention of Muslims from Syria, maybe even the Iranian hand
    1. Ataturk
      +3
      14 September 2012 13: 01
      Quote: tekinoral
      but it seems to me all this to distract the attention of Muslims from Syria, maybe even the Iranian hand


      Rather, it is a provocation in order to deal with a couple of pawns in order to take the QUEEN !!!

      The people of the West do not want to fight against Iran. They killed the ambassador, so what? Beasts are Muslims. What to do? Punish and revenge.

      Now the Americans will join the army en masse, WISH, as it was after September 11th. And for what? To capture Iran and Syria

      as a result, the WEST loses 100 pawns, but takes 000 QUEEN.

      CHECKMATE!!!
      1. tekinoral
        +1
        14 September 2012 13: 50
        ataturk and you look deeper, while the demonstrations in the Muslim world no one removes the attention of Syria. Assad and Iran start bombing rebels in full, cameras and cameras are deployed in a different direction, by the way 2 days ago they bombed a Turkmen village what did they write nit?
        1. Ataturk
          +2
          14 September 2012 16: 59
          I do not think that these freaks work for Syria or Iran.
          I doubt very much.
  41. Nechai
    +5
    14 September 2012 12: 39
    Quote: Rustam
    For that fought for it and ran

    Quote: vorobey
    then this is a planned action

    Rustam, everything is going according to plan. It needs a legitimate reason to move on to the next stage. Plus, look, those who know too much are eliminated. This will be followed by the destruction of all statehood in the vastness of "flower revolutions", to impose a war of all against all. And the apotheosis - all in camouflage "peacekeepers" from NATO and the United States. And then TNCs will harness everything they need, relying on PMCs. This is how they plan, but life is an interesting thing and any plan is good only before the start of its implementation ...
    1. +4
      14 September 2012 13: 08
      Quote: Nechai
      every plan is good only before its implementation ....

      Quote: Nechai
      life is an interesting thing

      Hello Valera. as Comrade said Sukhov- That's for sure.
  42. +1
    14 September 2012 13: 08
    Americans are already doing something reckless and provocative --- how long is the question?
  43. +5
    14 September 2012 13: 15
    The director did not violate any US laws, just as hundreds of films with "quotes" from the Talmud about the blood of Christian babies, and other paranoid delirium about "being chosen by God" and "kill a goy, he is not a man" do not violate them. And how many films there are about Christianity as a descendant of paganism, the cult of the Sun God, artificial religion, etc. Why don't the Jews of the whole world burn the Egyptian embassies after another interpretation, another "scientist", and Christians don't arrange lynches after another comedy from Hollywood where the god is a woman, Issus is mentally retarded, and the angel is transvestites. Or why the Muslims of Russia don't arrange pogroms?
    You can fantasize how much you want about the plans of the United States, provocations and puppets, but as for me, the problem is different. In the Muslim countries of North Africa, up to 40% (depending on the country) are young people under 24 years old, most of whom do not work, suffer from garbage. Tahrir Square has become a gathering place for any reason, the Egyptians, Libyans and other residents of the region are the most politically conscious people in history, go out in droves for almost any reason, and then they insulted the Prophet !!
    I will answer my own question, Muslims of Russia and its neighbors do not burn the embassies because, on average, they are smarter and more educated, but much more yours - THEY PANCAKE WORK, root the seed and do not choose on Facebook which "spontaneous" rally to go to today.
    Z.Y
    As an atheist to the marrow of bones, I don’t understand what the weight of fuss is and why some religions can be offended (or ridiculed, express YOUR opinion), while others cannot.
    1. Ataturk
      0
      14 September 2012 13: 24
      Quote: Rumata
      I will answer my own question myself, Muslims of Russia


      You yourself answered your own question. And everything else is nonsense! Do Buddhists live in Chechnya? And to Tatarstan Bashkiria? There, too, they are no longer satisfied.
      And they do it in their Muslim country.
      1. +1
        14 September 2012 13: 34
        Quote: Ataturk
        You yourself answered your own question. And everything else is nonsense! Do Buddhists live in Chechnya? And to Tatarstan Bashkiria? There, too, they are no longer satisfied.
        And they do it in their Muslim country.

        That is, the Muslims of Russia are less Muslims than the Egyptians? Why is Tahrir filled with milk skins burning flags, and is everything quiet in Chechnya?
        1. Yarbay
          0
          14 September 2012 14: 06
          Quote: Rumata
          That is, the Muslims of Russia are less Muslims than the Egyptians? Why is Tahrir filled with milk skins burning flags, and is everything quiet in Chechnya?

          This is a question of iman, that is, faith !!
          I am also silent, but I’m not running to the American embassy ??
          But I'm also angry !!
          1. +1
            14 September 2012 16: 11
            Quote: Yarbay
            This is a question of iman, that is, faith !!
            I am also silent, but I’m not running to the American embassy ??
            But I'm also angry !!

            I would be very surprised if I knew that you were smashing the US Embassy due to the fact that someone from the 350 million population of this country made a similar film.
            This is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of education and environment.
            1. Yarbay
              0
              14 September 2012 16: 14
              Quote: Rumata
              This is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of education and environment.

              understand, those who made this dirty film were counting on that very upbringing !!!
              and if I had the opportunity, in spite of my upbringing, I would have torn out the heart of the author of the film !!
              1. +2
                14 September 2012 19: 48
                But education does not allow a word to be answered? And if the followers of the authors of the film bomb Azerbaijan without a nuclear weapon in the Stone Age, for a torn heart? How to look at this?
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  14 September 2012 20: 41
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  But education does not allow a word to be answered? And if the followers of the authors of the film bomb Azerbaijan without a nuclear weapon in the Stone Age, for a torn heart? How to look at this?
                  For all the will of the Almighty !!
                  Victory and defeat and everything else gives only HE !!
                  Without His desire, not a single leaf on a tree will not flake off!
  44. Yarbay
    +1
    14 September 2012 13: 22
    Quote: Rumata
    I will answer my own question, Muslims of Russia and its neighbors do not burn the embassies because, on average, they are smarter and more educated, but much more yours - THEY PANCAKE WORK, root the seed and do not choose on Facebook which "spontaneous" rally to go to today.
    This is not the only point !!

    Quote: Rumata
    The director didn’t violate any laws of the USA,

    There are such things in Islam about this that are not found in other religions, but I don’t want to write about it here !!
    1. +1
      14 September 2012 13: 27
      Quote: Yarbay
      There are such things in Islam about this that are not found in other religions, but I don’t want to write about it here !!

      What is written in the old books is one thing, but tell me what law the directors violated?
      1. Yarbay
        0
        14 September 2012 13: 42
        Quote: Rumata
        What is written in the old books is one thing, but tell me what law the directors violated?

        Dear question, not in the old books!
        Insulting a prophet, not only Islamic in Islam, is punishable by death, there is no democracy in this !!
        And the producers of these provocation films are well aware of this!
        with respect!
        1. +1
          14 September 2012 15: 34
          Quote: Yarbay
          Insulting a prophet, not only Islamic in Islam, is punishable by death, there is no democracy in this !!

          Again, what difference does it make to me, an atheist, resident of a democratic country, what is written in the Qur'an? For example, I am a historian from Canada, studied the life of a prophet and came to the conclusion that she was a very cunning woman who knew how to make up. Maybe I'm 100% sure of this, maybe I'll write a book about it that 3 people will read, or even make a movie. I will not break any laws, and I can publish any nonsense, and now what can I expect to die from my neighbors and evacuate Canadian embassies from Arab countries?
          This is at the level of religious persecution of the Middle Ages. As long as the USA or Canada are secular, democratic states, I can write and say whatever I like, if this does not contradict the Criminal Code. The appeal to violence, for example, to kill all Muslims, is one thing, and the freedoms provided by modern Western society are quite another ...
          1. Odessa
            +5
            14 September 2012 15: 45
            Rumata,
            For example, I am a historian from Canada, studied the life of a prophet and came to the conclusion that she was a very cunning woman who knew how to make up well

            I read exactly the same about the fact that one woman managed to become the Pope. A heavy, maleish woman was with a smoky voice. I fell asleep on one of the horse campaigns, collapsed from the horse and began to give birth. The guards coordinated surrounded her tight ring, and at birth they immediately choked the baby so that the shadow of shame that the pope was a woman would not fall on the Catholic Church.
          2. Yarbay
            0
            14 September 2012 16: 16
            Quote: Rumata
            This is at the level of religious persecution of the Middle Ages.

            Understand what you want!
            But for me it is not a subject of bargaining and research !!

            *** freedoms provided by modern Western society ... **
            I do not see any freedom in insulting !!
            Moreover, I do not see any special freedoms in Western society!
            1. +3
              14 September 2012 16: 26
              Yarbay
              But let me tell you, I mean Muslims, no one is going to bargain. On the territory of Islamic countries, you can at least introduce the death penalty for any reason, but no one gives you the right to impose your behavioral standards on other peoples and religious groups. What are you not comfortable with in the US actions? Declare an economic boycott for them, break the dip. Relations, but what crowds of brutal fanatics get up to, is not a protest but banditry.
              1. Yarbay
                -1
                14 September 2012 16: 42
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                What are you not comfortable with in US actions?

                Provocation and well planned!
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                this is not a protest but banditry.

                I agree! But no less banditry is what was shot in the film!
                Rather, insults of such an insult are not much different from banditry!
            2. +3
              14 September 2012 16: 38
              Quote: Yarbay
              I do not see any freedom in insulting !!
              Moreover, I do not see any special freedoms in Western society!

              Darwin insulted hundreds of millions of Christians, but those beginnings of freedom allowed him to publish and turn science upside down, and they burned another less successful scientist alive. Your comments are very insulting to sayetologists, and so what? Or you can make fun of all religions or not one, or it turns out that insulting Islam is much more serious than insulting Buddhism, Judaism or Baha'i ...
              If you don’t see special freedoms in Europe compared to the UAE, then there’s nothing to argue here, because in Germany public execution for communicating with genies is really something ordinary. And about the rights and freedoms of women there’s even nothing to say that Berlin is that Riyadh, everything is the same ...
              1. Yarbay
                0
                14 September 2012 20: 45
                Quote: Rumata
                Darwin insulted hundreds of millions of Christians, but those beginnings of freedom allowed him to publish and turn science upside down, and they burned another less successful scientist alive. Your comments are very insulting to sayetologists, and so what? Or you can make fun of all religions or not one, or it turns out that insulting Islam is much more serious than insulting Buddhism, Judaism or Baha'i ...

                With all due respect to you, I consider your comments on this issue demagogy! And if ... but there .. and why ..
                I answered mine specifically above!
                1. 0
                  14 September 2012 21: 18
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  With all due respect to you, I consider your comments on this issue demagogy! And if ... but there .. and why ..
                  I answered mine specifically above!

                  Just the specifics are zero, the one-goal game, I do not get answers, you call a comparison with other religions demagogy. Tell me why, for example, a resident of multi-confessional Russia, who does not believe in God, but lives without violating the Criminal Code and the Constitution, should start from what is written in the Qur'an and take a steam bath so that someone doesn’t like something? For me, that Islam is that of Jainism, that Christianity is a set of fairy tales, I do not believe in God. Why on earth would representatives of one of these groups dare to dictate to me what to say, what to write and what to make films about? Why am I, without violating the laws of the country, I still have to look around somewhere and think if I’m hurt the feelings of Muslims / Jews / Buddhists \ Order_Krasnyh_Mukhomorov ...? While Sharit’s laws are not in use, you can dream of tearing out the hearts of those who infuriate you, but you will have to file a lawsuit and act in CIVILIZED ways, rather than slide into the Stone Age.
                  I REPEAT
                  Why is a resident of the United States able to express sick theories about Judaism, Christianity and other religions, but there is no Islam? Because you are a Muslim?
                  1. Yarbay
                    +2
                    15 September 2012 07: 30
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Why is a resident of the United States able to express sick theories about Judaism, Christianity and other religions, but there is no Islam? Because you are a Muslim?

                    Do not over-press Rumata!
                    I talked with you several times and came to the conclusion that you do not know how and do not want to read!
                    Listen to yourself and do not hear others!
                    Please discuss and explore Islam as much as you like, but it is NOT possible to slander and write insults to the prophet and his family!
                    To understand this you need to reboot your head from Zionism !!
                    1. +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 16
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Do not over-press Rumata!

                      That is, I will not get an answer? So I thought ... it is much easier to write that I am a Zionist than to answer with what fright your faith should be for me \ more important than the rest ...
                      1. Yarbay
                        -2
                        15 September 2012 12: 28
                        [quote = Rumata] That is, I will not get an answer? So I thought ... it is much easier to write that I am a Zionist than to answer with what fright your faith should be for me \ more important than the rest ... [/ quote]
                        Carefully re-read my previous koment and pay attention to the following
                        [quote = Yarbay]Please discuss and explore Islam as much as you like, but it’s IMPOSSIBLE to slander and write insults to the prophet and his family! [/ Quote]
                      2. 0
                        15 September 2012 12: 38
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Please discuss and explore Islam as much as you like, but slandering and writing insults to the prophet and his family is NOT

                        You are not allowed! Who forbids this to me? I don’t believe in your faith or in your Prophets, I don’t make any difference Muhammad is Buddha or Bab, for me these are historical figures no more. Faith forbids you to laugh at the prophets, what am I up to? As long as I do not violate the law of the country, the moral and ethical standards will be the limiting factor for me. If I want to write that one of the prophets was gay, I won’t do this not because I’m violating the law of the country or Islam, but out of respect for Muslim friends, and that’s all. And you continue to transfer YOUR laws to me, say what can be done to me and what cannot.
                      3. Ortrega
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 19: 46
                        Quote: Rumata
                        As long as I do not violate the law of the country, the moral and ethical standards and everything will be the limiting factor for me.

                        Almost every self-respecting site has rules: it is forbidden to post information that incites ethnic religious hatred.

                        And if someone complained that he was insulted, the creators of the site will consider it necessary to remove this video.

                        The creators of this site did not do this, did not consider it necessary to do this, although there were plenty of those dissatisfied, either they did not respect themselves and the opinions of others, or simply Americans, which was the same thing!

                        The site is Amerovsky.
                      4. 0
                        15 September 2012 20: 17
                        Quote: Ortrega
                        The site is Amerovsky.

                        According to Russian laws, the director would be imprisoned, according to American, no.
                        “In the United States, the broad interpretation by the courts of the First Amendment to the US Constitution (on freedom of speech) prevents the establishment of criminal liability for inciting ethnic hatred. Courts acknowledge that freedom of speech can only be limited in cases where expressions can directly lead to unlawful acts and when no other accessible and less restrictive measures can be effective.. "
                        That is why, from the point of view of US laws, there are no violations here, and therefore youtube did not remove the video, even when Obama personally asked. The question is a matter of principle, a precedent, which could be the beginning of censorship if sites back down and remove content.
              2. Ortrega
                +1
                14 September 2012 21: 15
                Quote: Rumata
                but it turns out that insulting Islam is much more serious than insulting Buddhism, Judaism or Baha'i ...

                It's just that this insult came from the lips of those who had already done a lot of dirty tricks, It was that last straw.
                1. 0
                  14 September 2012 21: 27
                  Quote: Ortrega
                  It's just that this insult came from the lips of those who had already done a lot of dirty tricks, It was that last straw.

                  I try not to touch politics, but to get a normal answer, how is Islam different from other religions, and why should this be important for me to an atheist?
                  1. Yarbay
                    -1
                    15 September 2012 07: 33
                    Quote: Rumata
                    get a normal answer how Islam differs from other religions,

                    Do you want to get it in a nutshell ??
                    You are atheists in the same way, you have no patience to listen to and no desire to understand !!
                    1. 0
                      15 September 2012 12: 19
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Do you want to get it in a nutshell ??
                      You are atheists in the same way, you have no patience to listen to and no desire to understand !!

                      Is that all? As a believer, I gradually turned into an atheist, not even an agnostic, like most, because such answers only irritate me.
                      Sincerely ...
                      1. 0
                        15 September 2012 12: 26
                        Quote: Rumata
                        You are atheists in the same way, you have no patience to listen to and no desire to understand!

                        Quote: Rumata
                        gradually turned into an atheist, not even an agnostic, like most, because such answers only irritate me.

                        QED request
                      2. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 30
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I from a believer gradually turned into an atheist

                        I do not understand!
                        Do you compete with me in the significance of your comments or in philosophy ??
                        You wrote that you are an atheist, now you are offended that you did not see the believer in you !!
                        I am convinced that a believer would not put up caricatures of the prophets of God for discussion here;
                      3. 0
                        15 September 2012 12: 44
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I am convinced that a believer would not put up caricatures of the prophets of God for discussion here;

                        And I'm not a believer, because everything is clearly written. You continue to translate the arrows. It’s one thing that you live according to the laws of Islam or Judaism, and another thing is according to what laws I live. I have no right to tell you how to live, but you also have no right to tell me what to do. I want to write a satire about the prophet and Islam, I can do it. Maybe I will break your laws from old books, but there are no laws of the country, and this is the only thing that matters to me, and you still can’t understand it
                      4. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 49
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I'm not a believer

                        Decide who you are and what you want, then we'll talk !!
                        Want to sow confusion and carry nonsense!
                        The flag in your hands, what do you want from me ??
                        I expressed my position to you and I also do not care whether you like it or not !!
                      5. +1
                        15 September 2012 13: 06
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Decide who you are and what you want, then we'll talk !!
                        Want to sow confusion and carry nonsense!
                        The flag in your hands, what do you want from me ??
                        I expressed my position to you and I also do not care whether you like it or not !!

                        I wrote that I was a believer and became an atheist, what can be defined here, and how can this be misunderstood? You read the site too much, you see something that is not there. They quote you when this was not the case, then the phrase "I was a believer", you understand as "I am a believer." You have never answered my questions, which means that you and I both know what kind of answer it is. You can express your position as much as you like, live there in your Sharia, tear out the hearts of those who did something wrong, but do not tell me how to live. Do not meddle with your antediluvian rules to people who do not live by them.
                      6. Yarbay
                        -2
                        15 September 2012 13: 12
                        Quote: Rumata
                        Do not climb with your antediluvian rules towards people who do not live by them.

                        I’ll climb, what will you do ??
                        You say that you will do what you want ??
                        I also do what my heart and my soul command !!
                        That's what kind of conversation you are having and such an answer is close to you !!
                      7. +1
                        15 September 2012 13: 16
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I also do what my heart and my soul command !!

                        And this, as you yourself wrote, to tear out the heart of the person who created the film about the Prophet of Islam ... The flag is in your hands
                      8. Ortrega
                        -1
                        15 September 2012 20: 06
                        Quote: Rumata
                        Maybe I will break your laws from old books, but there are no laws of the country, and this is the only thing that matters to me, and you still can’t understand it

                        And which country, although I probably understood, according to European laws? Or do you simply adhere to them?
                      9. Ortrega
                        0
                        15 September 2012 20: 01
                        Quote: Rumata
                        and it’s another matter according to what laws I live.

                        And let me take interest in what laws do you live by?
                      10. +1
                        15 September 2012 20: 28
                        Quote: Ortrega
                        And let me take an interest in what laws you live by

                        According to the laws of the country in the territory of which I currently reside. If I live in the USA, I don’t violate their laws, just as I do not violate the laws of Germany or England when I am there for work. But in all Western countries, laws are more or less similar. Caricatures of Mohamed in Europe are prohibited ...
                      11. Ortrega
                        0
                        15 September 2012 21: 14
                        Quote: Rumata
                        According to the laws of the country in the territory of which I currently reside. If I live in the USA, I don’t violate their laws, just as I do not violate the laws of Germany or England when I am there for work. But in all Western countries, laws are more or less similar. Caricatures of Mohamed in Europe are prohibited ...

                        Personally, I live according to one single rule: "A person has the right to do anything and anywhere!"
                        The main thing is that this would not violate the interests of another person!

                        Social Studies, Grade 6.

                        And most importantly, behave yourself, and everything will be fine.
                        This is from the movie "Brother", if anyone does not remember.
                      12. 0
                        15 September 2012 21: 22
                        Quote: Ortrega
                        Personally, I live according to one single rule: "A person has the right to do anything and anywhere!"
                        The main thing is that this would not violate the interests of another person!

                        It doesn’t happen ... You probably won’t leave your house, you won’t please everyone, if you get promoted it violates the interests of other applicants, they gave you more credit - someone will get less. If everything was so simple, for a long time there would be no laws or authorities or states, and everyone would live in harmony and like butterflies ...
                        Not everything is white or black, most of the actions are gray, and the law of the state allows us to distinguish where gray turns to black - that is, criminally or administratively punishable. It's like a fox who needs to feed children, killing chicken with chickens.
                      13. Ortrega
                        0
                        15 September 2012 21: 59
                        Quote: Rumata
                        If everything was so simple, for a long time there would be no laws or authorities or states, and everyone would live in harmony and like butterflies ...

                        In fact, everything is just simple, if everyone tried to live by such a rule and knew how to agree, everyone would live in harmony
                        Quote: Rumata
                        and cocoa butterflies ...

                        Quote: Rumata
                        It's like a fox who needs to feed children, killing chicken with chickens.

                        The fox, by the way, will not kill the chicken with chickens, it will only take the chicken, but the ferret can just pass everyone on, and where he lives he will not.
                        And do not compare animals with people, animals are much better, they don’t do anything for nothing hi
                  2. Ortrega
                    0
                    15 September 2012 19: 55
                    Quote: Rumata
                    I try not to touch politics, but to get a normal answer, how is Islam different from other religions, and why should this be important for me to an atheist?

                    Without touching politics, you are unlikely to get an answer, or rather, you are unlikely to understand it, or comprehend it, because everywhere you look, we have a solid policy everywhere.
                    I can’t say that I am special in politics, but still, as an observer with my own opinion, I can determine what is good and what is bad.
                    1. 0
                      15 September 2012 20: 34
                      Quote: Ortrega
                      Without touching on politics, you are unlikely to get an answer, or rather, you are unlikely to understand it, or comprehend it, because wherever you look, we have a solid policy everywhere

                      Everything is simpler than it seems, they impose on me a foreign culture and religion, make me respect their god and prophet, in whom I do not believe. It is deeply the same whether the US policy has led to this or the intrigues of Iran, the fact remains. I do not believe in these tales about the prophets, god and commandments. For me, the Qur'an, the Bible, the fables of Krylov, on the same level, that is, interesting reading, no more, no less. And they demand from me to live according to their laws, not to draw prophets, not to discuss how they looked, and even more so to question their life described in old books.
                      At this rate, they will begin to burn at the stake, banishing genies, deja vu ...
                      1. Ortrega
                        0
                        15 September 2012 20: 50
                        Quote: Rumata
                        And they demand from me to live according to their laws, not to draw prophets, not to discuss how they looked, and even more so to question their life described in old books.

                        No one demands from you to live according to their laws.

                        For example, do you have something sacred, dear, if so, imagine that over this very saint, dear, what will you do, what will you do?
                      2. +1
                        15 September 2012 21: 06
                        Quote: Ortrega
                        No one demands from you to live according to their laws.

                        Yes, the fact of the matter is that they require, read the entire branch, you will find a lot of interesting things.
                        Quote: Ortrega
                        For example, do you have something sacred, dear, if so, imagine that over this very saint, dear, what will you do, what will you do?

                        I have already been asked about this. I know that I will not do it, this is lynching. I will act within the framework of the Criminal Code, which I advise you ...
          3. Ortrega
            +2
            14 September 2012 21: 06
            Quote: Rumata
            I will not break any laws, and I can publish any nonsense, and now what can I expect to die from my neighbors and evacuate Canadian embassies from Arab countries?

            This film offended the feelings of believers and the responsibility for it lies with Amer’s censorship, and to whom to make claims, of course, to the embassy. We call it inciting ethnic and religious hatred, it is punishable by law, if I’m not mistaken, the time limit for this is not small.
            I was beside myself with anger when the "defenders" of the Musipushi smashed the crosses, and the freaks passed by and filmed.
            I would cut that hut with the same saw angry
            1. +1
              14 September 2012 21: 33
              Quote: Ortrega
              This film offended the feelings of believers and the responsibility for it lies with Amer’s censorship, and to whom to make claims, of course, to the embassy. We call it inciting ethnic and religious hatred, it is punishable by law, if I’m not mistaken, the time limit for this is not small.
              I was beside myself with anger when the "defenders" of the Musipushi smashed the crosses, and the freaks passed by and filmed.
              I would cut that hut with the same saw

              This film does not fall under the article on Inciting hatred, there are certain criteria and believe in the United States with this very strict. Thus, you can put the directors of the film "Dogma", and half of Hollywood for a couple. And how many historians can be transplanted who write works about the emergence of Christianity, was there Christ at all, etc. There are hundreds of provocative articles about Christianity, some consider it pseudoscientific works, some are crazy delirium, but no one is imprisoned for inciting between. nat discord. But for some reason, some people think that Islam is a completely different matter, and I do not understand why ...
              1. Ortrega
                0
                15 September 2012 20: 39
                Quote: Rumata
                But for some reason, some believe that Islam is a completely different matter, and I don’t understand why ...

                Because even Comrade Sukhov said: "The East is a delicate matter, Petruha!"
                The guys live there, painfully hot, flare up from the slightest spark.

                This must be understood fool
            2. +1
              14 September 2012 21: 34
              There is no censorship in the USA. There are constantly going to work, films, etc. ironic over Judaism, Christianity and other religions. If Muslims think they are special, why do they not want to shut themselves off from this world and sit only in Islamic countries? By the way, if such a film would be released in China, with the permission of the leadership of the CCP, then I really do not envy the Islamists in a similar situation with the embassy. China laid down all human rights, but this is a country that will dictate its will to the world for the next hundred years.
              1. Ortrega
                +2
                15 September 2012 20: 41
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                There is no censorship in the USA.

                There is nothing sacred at all. For them, the main thing is money, business and nothing personal request
            3. Kamilla
              +2
              14 September 2012 21: 46
              Quote: Ortrega
              This film offended the feelings of believers and the responsibility for it lies with Amer’s censorship,


              all truly respected.
  45. Nechai
    +3
    14 September 2012 13: 28
    Quote: vorobey
    as Comrade said Sukhov- That's for sure.

    Hello Sasha! The driving goals of the New Globalists and the rulers of the "world caliphate" are surprisingly EDENTICAL! - World Domination. I am sure that the governing center is the same. Everyone remembers perfectly what always ended experiments on the introduction of a "new World Order" - WORLD BATTLE !!! On the one hand, the paranoid greed and lust for power of a handful of people who have imposed their own rules of the game on others, called the World Financial System. Legality or generally indifference of the majority, these are the current conditions for the development of homo "sapiens". It is possible to prevent the newest blood bath only by performing a jewelry "surgical" operation to cut off a cancerous tumor on the human body. Otherwise, the metastases are spreading more and more. And from some stage it will not be possible to do without "chimeo-therapy" ...
    1. +5
      14 September 2012 13: 34


      Valera, can I answer that?
  46. +1
    14 September 2012 14: 36
    How was Taras Bulba there? "Than I gave birth to you, so I will kill you!" All the same. Whoever created a mess in Libya, he died from him. And it would be okay to be alone, or even others, who drags along with him neither by hearing nor spirit. The pattern, however
  47. +4
    14 September 2012 14: 50
    I do not hear the voices of Sir Paul, Sting and Louise Ciccone in defense of American art .... a point is not iron? it’s not for you to protect laughing
  48. 0
    14 September 2012 15: 03
    And such news discourages me. If we assume that the Americans achieved this, in the near future they will receive a lot of reasons to go open war on Muslim countries.
    1. Ortrega
      0
      14 September 2012 21: 18
      Quote: Alexej
      soon they will get a lot of reasons to go open war on Muslim countries.

      And they don’t sweat at all at once, it’s not to hammer the Aborigines and not to drive the Indians on the reservation.
  49. Lakkuchu
    +1
    14 September 2012 15: 32
    London. September 14th. INTERFAX.RU - The US State Department was aware of a possible attack on the American consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, but did not warn diplomats, the British newspaper The Independent reported on Friday, citing senior diplomatic sources.

    According to newspaper sources, the US State Department received information about the impending attack two days before the attack.
    It was reported that on Tuesday in this Libyan city an attack was made on the American consulate, the victims of which were four US citizens, including the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

    An interesting picture looms.
  50. Bob
    0
    14 September 2012 16: 10
    The photograph resembled the reprisal against Gaddafi. In general, a true saying is a tooth for a tooth. Only it seems to me that this will not be limited, as long as a real war is going on in Libya and the Middle East, and the prosperous West drinks black coffee in the morning and wools the Internet in the evenings, which is not fair in itself.
    And, of course, it is no coincidence that the time of events is - akurat before the US elections to give odds to the opponents of Obama, who in turn is stubborn in resolving the Iranian problem. Definitely a provocation and a trace of Israeli intelligence. And the scenario has just begun to twist into a kind of spiral of events and "accidents", the result of which may be fateful events.
  51. 0
    14 September 2012 18: 30
    And this is just the beginning ... laughing
  52. MI-AS-72
    +1
    14 September 2012 19: 37
    Yes, there is no beginning, remember history, all this has already happened, to organize a total war against the West, the Muslim world needs a leader, it needs money and support on a global scale, and so another surge, only to come to an agreement with the same “revolutionaries” and sheikhs about the creation of bases, coalitions, etc. to subjugate these territories for long periods of time. And I’m afraid that this will happen within 2...3 years. Who can stop them? China is still weak, for serious conflicts with the West, there is no way we, all our political and elite elite, live in the West, both in soul and finances, they are devoted to it, and we are not very strong either. Here we can see a different alignment, the West really wants to play the Muslim card here in Russia, so that we would be “more accommodating” and not so proud of our independence, otherwise we’ll actually begin to develop in the wrong direction of the USSR-2 they will not be allowed. This is how I see all these processes in the Middle East.
  53. biglow
    0
    14 September 2012 20: 03
    But it seems to me that all this is just a manifestation of the desire of some people to control others. Because there is a mixture of two completely different manifestations of the world, material and non-material. How can you insult a prophet or Buddha or Jesus? No way. They are above this material world, Outside the laws of this world and everything that happens in our country has no contact with the non-material worlds to which a person hopes when turning to prayer. And any attempt to mix the material and the immaterial is absurd in itself, as an attempt to dirty the fire or insult the fire. These phenomena have a different nature beyond the control of man. And the use of crowds of illiterate people for their own primitive purposes is very deplorable.
  54. +1
    14 September 2012 20: 04
    Why gloat? The Americans achieved their goal in the square. Firstly, they gained control over the oil-bearing coast, and secondly, they aroused and strengthened the Islamic radicals, who are their puppet armies. Well, the ambassador was killed, so what? They don't give a damn.
  55. Ataturk
    0
    14 September 2012 21: 04
    In Tunisia, demonstrators broke into the US Embassy

    Tunisian demonstrators on the evening of September 14 burst into the territory of the US Embassy and began setting fire to trees and breaking windows in the diplomatic mission building, Reuters reports, citing an eyewitness to what was happening. According to him, a column of smoke rises above the embassy building, Lenta.ru reports.

    The attack is accompanied by clashes with police, who are trying to drive people away with tear gas. In addition, the police tried to prevent an attack on the embassy by shooting in the air, but this did not stop the crowd.

    According to CNN, a group of people headed to the US Embassy in Tunisia after Friday prayers. Among those participating in the attack are many Wahhabis (or Salafis) - representatives of the radical movement in Islam.

    According to Agence France-Presse, another attack on the US embassy on September 14 occurred in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. There, the police also opened fire, but the demonstrators managed to break into the embassy territory. There are no details about what is happening in Khartoum at the moment.

    Earlier on September 14, demonstrators broke into the British and German embassies. According to various estimates, from 5 to 10 thousand people took part in the attacks. At least one person was killed in a clash with police. Another person died in the Lebanese city of Tripoli, where anti-Western demonstrations are also taking place.

    Wave of Muslim protest against American film intensifies

    Protests against the anti-Islamic film made in the USA do not stop.

    Demonstrators attacked the US, British and German embassies in the Sudanese capital Khartoum on September 14. According to Al Jazeera TV channel, the protesters lowered the German flag, raising instead a black flag with the inscription: “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.”

    Protests were also reported to continue in Yemen, where one person died and 15 others were injured during the unrest. They chanted: "Today is your last day, Ambassador" and "America is the devil."

    Protests also took place in Malaysia, Bangladesh, Iraq, Egypt, Qatar, India, Morocco, Indonesia and Lebanon.

    As is known, a wave of mass protests against the anti-Islamic film “The Innocence of Muslims” created in the United States has enveloped a number of Muslim countries in recent days; US diplomatic missions in a number of Muslim countries have been attacked. US Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other US embassy employees in that country were killed in an armed attack on the US consulate on September 11 in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

    Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1571475.html#ixzz26SrlvvJ4
    1. Ataturk
      +1
      14 September 2012 21: 09
      Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt: attacks on US diplomatic missions continue

      In the Yemeni capital Sana'a, demonstrators attempted to storm the US Embassy on September 13.

      It is reported that some protesters managed to enter the area surrounding the diplomatic mission, but they did not enter the building itself. Demonstrators removed the embassy sign from the outer wall around the protected area, and they also tore down and set fire to the American flag, Radio Liberty reports.

      It is also known that as a result of the incident, there were injuries, and the diplomatic mission staff were evacuated.

      Those gathered protested against a film that appeared on the Internet and was created in the United States, which Muslims considered offensive to their religious feelings. Protests against this film continued on September 13 in the Egyptian capital, Cairo. On the night of September 13, it was also reported that for the same reason, demonstrators in Tunisia attempted to storm the US Embassy building.

      As REGNUM previously reported, US Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other employees of the American embassy in this country were killed as a result of an armed attack on the US consulate on September 11 in the Libyan city of Benghazi. As is known, the attack was followed by violent clashes between demonstrators and security forces. The attack occurred after a demonstration near the US Embassy in the Egyptian capital, Cairo. The demonstrators were protesting against what they consider to be an offensive film about the Prophet Muhammad for Islam.
  56. Ataturk
    +1
    14 September 2012 21: 14
    The mufti of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, Bashiruddin Ahmad, called on all US citizens to immediately leave the state, the website of the Indian television channel Zeenews reported on Friday.

    “American citizens who are in Kashmir should leave immediately as the sentiments of Muslims have been hurt by this film... People are really worried; I urged American tourists to leave for their own safety,” Ahmad said, noting that authorities are unable to control the behavior of state residents.

    Ahmad strongly condemned the content of the anti-Islamic film and called on Muslims around the world to protest.

    “Everyone believes in the greatness of Prophet Muhammad (alaihi salatu wassalam) and people will not tolerate attempts to defame his image,” the mufti said in Jammu and Kashmir's capital Srinagar, where Muslims make up about 97% of the population.

    Earlier on Thursday, Muslims held a demonstration in Srinagar against the film.

    As noted by Indian media, the authorities of Jammu and Kashmir have asked the central government to block users' access to the dirty film. According to PC World, access to the film's trailer on YouTube in India has already been blocked.

    There are approximately 300 million Muslims living in India.
  57. Bashkaus
    +5
    14 September 2012 21: 23
    You know, there is still God in the world!
    I remember the Polish president, how much he accused Russia of the genocide of the Polish people, essentially playing the victims of that time, and he himself got into trouble. His corpse was then purged and exhumed for the same purpose, probably all his life he only dreamed about this, that even after death he would not be given peace.
    Here's another pretzel. Would they have killed Gaddafi without his help? and here he is in his same place.
    By the way, note that the mockery of Gaddafi was shown on ALL television programs in the Western world, but here it’s like water in your mouth.
    Okay, we people have our own judgment, but God has his own. I'm afraid to even imagine where he is now, in heaven or hell.
  58. +2
    14 September 2012 21: 38
    Well, we're waiting for the next ambassador
  59. bremest
    0
    14 September 2012 21: 57
    During the time of Bush Jr. they threw shoes at him, and in the days of Obama they killed ambassadors..... They killed the ambassador just like Gaddafi..... Symbolically....
  60. Dimon Lviv
    +1
    14 September 2012 22: 55
    It’s good when the revolution devours not its children, but its fathers.
    We are waiting for the beginning of the “American spring”.
  61. not good
    +2
    14 September 2012 23: 49
    This begs a number of questions:
    -if the Yankees knew about the impending attack on the embassy, ​​then why didn’t they evacuate the staff;
    - if they gave the ambassador to be eaten, it means they hope to get benefit from it;
    -Isn’t this incident one of the links in the chain of events against Syria;
    -Where is the guarantee that tomorrow the United States will announce to the world that the attack was the work of Iranian intelligence services;
    In any case, the United States will try to extract maximum benefit from this situation; there is already a formal reason for sending troops into Libya. Those who pull the strings in this puppet theater are playing out a well-planned scenario. The blood of another patriot has once again watered the tree of democracy. The trouble is that They have a script, what about us?
    1. Ataturk
      +1
      15 September 2012 00: 14
      Quote: Negoro
      -if the Yankees knew about the impending attack on the embassy, ​​then why didn’t they evacuate the staff;


      what for? They need a reason, they need a victim, they need a reason why they need to build democracy in an Islamic society, which shows itself as barbarians. But at the same time they are silent about the fact that they themselves are barbarians.

      Quote: Negoro
      if they gave the ambassador to be eaten, it means they hope to get benefit from it;


      Undoubtedly. The reason is that they are barbarians. Revenge and all that. Like 11/XNUMX.

      The only difference is that before they secretly provoked and now openly. There are 2 options.

      1. they don’t give a damn about anyone.
      2. think everyone is an ass.

      Quote: Negoro
      -Isn’t this incident one of the links in the chain of events against Syria;


      Anything can happen!

      Quote: Negoro
      -Where is the guarantee that tomorrow the United States will announce to the world that the attack was the work of Iranian intelligence services?


      But in my opinion, they want to make Libya a BRANDHEAD or a pretext for starting a war with Syria or Iran.

      Quote: Negoro
      The trouble is that they have a script, but what about us?

      Wow +1
  62. +2
    15 September 2012 01: 01
    It’s not for nothing that they say: “Don’t dig a hole for someone else, you’ll fall into it yourself.”
  63. Ataturk
    0
    15 September 2012 01: 07
    Addressed to Aron Zaavi

    For a moment, you tried to confuse me about Jews and Zionists. I will now write what I know and you correct me if I’m wrong.

    and so

    The Big Difference Between Jews and Zionists

    1) A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

    2) Since the creation of the Zionist state, and especially recently, the impression has been created in the world that there is some connection between the state that falsely calls itself Israel and the Jewish people as a whole. Thus, we who continue to uphold the unchanging tradition of the Jewish people find it appropriate to once again clarify the following points:

    3) Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews abstain on this day from any funds from the Zionist regime, be it for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in Zionist elections, be it the Knesset or the municipality. We don't serve in our army, and we don't even speak Hebrew, which is what the Zionists came up with. (by the way, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which is contrary to the Torah and against humanity.

    4) Zionists have no right to sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any form. They have no right to speak on behalf of the Jewish people. Therefore, according to them, statements and actions are in no way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists to seize power over the Holy Land is contrary to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews, but in general, they have desecrated the holiness of the land.

    5) Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, the masses of Jews, under the leadership of their rabbi, began a difficult struggle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the irreligious Zionist idea, but, above all, at its opposition to the Torah-san path that Jewry should follow while in exile. Thus, the Zionists provoked the peoples of the world by demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land, while remaining oblivious to the outrage this caused among the Palestinian Arabs, the veteran inhabitants of the land. As already stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jews are categorically against the movement with all their might.
    1. Ataturk
      +1
      15 September 2012 01: 09
      6) Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and commandments in full. The leaders of Torah Jewry were scholars who guided the people in accordance with the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host countries where they lived and the local laws. They prayed for the well-being of their governments. To our sadness, at that time a small number of Jews slowly abandoned their observance of the Torah and mitzvot. At the same time, they began to ridicule the spiritual leaders of their people. This assimilation was the basis on which, a hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who abandoned the Torah.

      7) Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, the masses of Jews, under the leadership of their rabbi, began a difficult struggle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the irreligious Zionist idea, but, above all, at its opposition to the Torah-san path that Jewry should follow while in exile. Thus, the Zionists provoked the peoples of the world by demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land, while remaining oblivious to the outrage this caused among the Palestinian Arabs, the veteran inhabitants of the land. As already stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jews are categorically against the movement with all their might.

      8) The Zionists refused to listen to the voice of the rabbis and Torah authorities. They persisted in their ways until they managed to influence the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration on “the establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel.” To our great sorrow, from that moment on the deterioration of good neighborly relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land began. This happened because the Arab people realized that the Zionists wanted to seize the ruler's ship from them. In addition, the Arab peoples had suspicions, as if the Jewish people wanted to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Issues worsened as a result.

      9) The Jewish leadership of the time saw it as proper to clarify to the Arab leaders that the Torah truth of the Jews had no desire for any sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we have always done. The leader of the Gd-fearing Jewish community at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized by a delegation in July 24 ', which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal, King of Iraq and Emir Abdullah, in order to clearly present their situation to the Gd-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation explained unequivocally that the Torah of Jewry is categorically against sovereignty over Zionist sovereignty in the Holy Land. It is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even sure that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that Jews did not demand political rights. This condition also applies to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Israel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for participation.
      1. Ataturk
        0
        15 September 2012 01: 12
        10) Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against Zionist rule in the Holy Land, and Zionist uprising against neighboring peoples. Torah Jewry condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the veteran inhabitants of this land, who were expelled from their homes and property. Zionists' barbaric and cruel acts are absolutely contrary to the essence of the Jewish people.

        11) The Jewish Torah will never recognize a Zionist state. Since the Zionists have succeeded in establishing their state, the Torah of the Jews has continually announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" they use is a fake. For, as was said above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty is forbidden to us. Rather, we are waiting for the day when the whole world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will still be fulfilled. "And they shall make their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: the people shall not lift up their sword against others, and they shall learn war no more."

        12) Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews refrain on this day from accepting any funds from the Zionist regime, be it for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in Zionist elections, be it the Knesset or the municipality. We don't serve in our army, and we don't even speak Hebrew, which is what the Zionists came up with. (By the way, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which is contrary to the Torah and against humanity.

        13) Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896, whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Israel, or Zion, a Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and Eretz Israel.

        The name "Zionism" comes from Mount Zion, the hill on which the Jerusalem Temple was located.

        Supporters of this movement are called “Zionists.”

        The purpose of this site is to explain why traditional Jews do not support Zionism (a return to the land called "Israel") and why the Zionist idealogy is completely contrary to traditional Jewish law and the beliefs and teachings of the Holy Torah.


        DID I WRITE IT CORRECTLY?
        1. Ataturk
          +2
          15 September 2012 01: 17
          These comrades, yourself are not considered Zionists







          Moshe Aryeh Friedman, an Orthodox rabbi who attended a Holocaust deniers' conference in Tehran, kissed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad. Now he will be forced to look for a new wife.

          The Vienna-based rabbi is considered one of the harshest critics of the state of Israel among the leaders of the anti-Zionist religious movement Naturei Karta who attended the Holocaust Deniers Forum. Friedman was even photographed sharing a kiss with the Iranian president. After the conference ended, the rabbi remained in Iran for another two weeks, using this time to visit universities throughout the country, where he lectured against the Jewish state.

          The Voice of the Ultra-Orthodox newspaper reported that when Friedman returned to Vienna, he learned that his wife, on the advice of her parents, had left for New York. There she turned to Satmar rabbis with a request to help her divorce her husband in connection with his speeches.

          Friedman is not the only Naturei Karta leader who faced trouble upon returning home. The Jewish community of Great Britain decided to expel the British representative of the delegation from its circles.
          1. Ataturk
            +1
            15 September 2012 01: 26
            And on this site, JEWS write that they are not ZIONISTS.




            Along the way, you need the Internet and learning your history more than I do!!!

            And lastly.



            So where is the truth? What you said, or what I write?
            Should I believe you alone, or everything that I read and see?
            1. Ataturk
              +1
              15 September 2012 01: 31
              And now the main thing. Who are the Zionists and their way of life.
              The film was shot in 1973 for intelligence officers and the KGB

            2. +1
              15 September 2012 02: 10
              Ataturk And again, understand that not every Jew is a Zionist, but every Zionist is a Jew, because Zionism is a national liberation movement of the Jewish people with the goal of creating and developing a Jewish state. There are Jews who don’t care and they are not Zionists. These Jews prefer a satisfying, quiet life in their countries with the subsequent assimilation of their descendants, rather than a difficult struggle for their state.
              1. Ataturk
                0
                15 September 2012 02: 20
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Ataturk And once again understand not every Jew is a Zionist

                That's what I'm saying!!!!
            3. escobar
              -1
              15 September 2012 13: 45
              They fought for what they fought for.
        2. +2
          15 September 2012 02: 00
          NO YOU WRONG WRONG! Orthodox Jews are the elite of the Israeli army. Ultra-Orthodox Jews have long tried to close themselves off from today, like any religious fanatics, but real life is changing this too. There is already the first battalion "Netzach Yehuda" staffed by ultra-Orthodox (you can read about it on the Internet). Several thousand ultra-Orthodox are already receiving higher education. We'll smooth it out gradually.
          If you are interested, read normal information, and not religious nonsense on the websites of tiny religious sects.
          1. Odessa
            0
            15 September 2012 02: 39
            Aron Zaavi,
            Several thousand ultra-Orthodox are already receiving higher education. We'll smooth it out gradually.

            How many more millennia will this last?
            Defense Minister Ehud Barak: “Russians” go to prison, we don’t touch the ultra-Orthodox!
            12.09.2012 09:06
            The Russian-speaking “draft dodger” has been in Army Prison No. 400 for more than a week, but during this time the military prosecutor’s office has not had time to prepare for the trial in her case, although the Canadian citizen has already been charged. On September 11, a military court extended her arrest for another 10 days.
            A military court in Jaffa has extended the arrest of Canadian citizen Yana Gorelik by 10 days, the Maariv newspaper reported. The IDF accuses a 30-year-old former Israeli woman of draft evasion for 4170 days. The military prosecutor's office demands that she be sentenced to five months in prison.

            Benjamin Koznitz, a civil lawyer for Gorelik with extensive experience in the military prosecutor's office, is trying to strike a deal with the prosecution, citing the dire moral and psychological state of his ward. Israeli relatives of Gorelik told Maariv that the army will still have to pay for a course of psychological assistance "for the rest of her life." On September 11, the administration of the army prison No. 400 in Tzrifin agreed to give the prisoner an extra mattress and a Telecard telephone card from his relatives.

            As IzRus portal reported, Yana Gorelik left Israel 13 years ago with her parents. Over the years, she visited relatives several times in her historic homeland, without any problems. September 2, Gorelik arrived at the wedding of a cousin living in Rishon Lezion. Already at passport control at the airport. Ben-Gurion, a former Israeli woman said that the IDF has a complaint against her. Gorelik was offered to personally appear for the trial at the recruiting station in Tel Hashomer (BAKUM). On September 3, she did so. After four hours of waiting, the girl was arrested for draft evasion.

            While the court hearings were in progress in Jaffa, about a hundred representatives of the neoliberal movement gathered in front of the building of the Ministry of Defense in Tel Aviv, Maariv reports. They held posters calling for the immediate release of Gorelik and demanded that the army authorities "put an end to the farce" surrounding the girl's arrest.

            "Dodger" Yana Gorelik remains in military prison
            Former “Russian” Israeli: instead of a wedding - an army prison


            Подробности: http://izrus.co.il/obshina/article/2012-09-12/19028.html#ixzz26UEH7ozD
            Using materials reference to IzRus is required.
            1. -4
              15 September 2012 02: 48
              Quote: Odessa

              Odessa

              And where has your friend Apolosha disappeared, hissing in private messages that he will crush you, but is afraid to call.
              1. 0
                15 September 2012 03: 28
                Quote: Allex28
                Allex28


                and now get out
                1. -2
                  15 September 2012 03: 38
                  Quote: Apollon
                  and now get out
                  Let's repeat ourselves, it's not good, it's not far from insanity. wink
              2. Yarbay
                +3
                15 September 2012 07: 39
                Alex!
                You were indignant that they didn’t let you write, they were squeezing you!!
                And write here yourself only in an attempt to quarrel with someone and show everyone that you have a conflict!
                Do you have a conflict in your face, then decide that you want to show us that you are a hero??
                What on topic did you write here??
                Who needs your conflict with Apollo???
                You wrote to my face too, explaining something!!
                I don’t give a fuck about your conflict, your mental suffering with Winnie the Poop, if you remember, that’s what I wrote to you!
                I ask, do you want to be called, let me call you!!
                Why are you behaving like a little child!!
            2. Karish
              0
              15 September 2012 10: 48
              Quote: Odessa
              How many more millennia will this last?
              Defense Minister Ehud Barak: “Russians” go to prison, we don’t touch the ultra-Orthodox!

              Barack is the worst thing that can happen in politics. I hope they will give him a ride in the next elections and he will go into political oblivion.
              He will sell anyone for a chair.
              Yes, and Bibi is good, he’s already sick of everyone with the Iranian threat. There are enemies closer, deal with them, otherwise he and Barak will drain all the money from the country for defense.
              1. Odessa
                0
                15 September 2012 10: 54
                Karish,
                Barack is the worst thing that can happen in politics. I hope they will give him a ride in the next elections and he will go into political oblivion.

                You don’t have to tell me about Barak, I also seem to still live in Israel.
                There are enemies closer, deal with them, otherwise he and Barak together will suck all the money for defense out of the country.

                Let the Police deal with the lawless enemies bully
              2. Yarbay
                +1
                15 September 2012 11: 03
                Quote: Karish
                He will sell anyone for a chair.

                But you must agree that for his past merits, you can close your eyes to senile miscarriages))))))))))
                1. Karish
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 17: 27
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  But you must agree that for his past merits, you can close your eyes to senile miscarriages))))))))))

                  Soldier, officer and general - he is certainly a creditable one. No one has more awards (and in Israel there are only 5). But as a politician? Why the hell did he even bother? They remember the last thing (Remember in 17 moments, Stirlitz said - the last phrase is remembered) So for Barack it won’t be very good.
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2012 18: 27
                    Let's start with the fact that there is one more person - Nehemiah Cohen. He, like Barak, has 4 Tsalasha Ramatkal, and 1 Itur ha-mofet. I can’t stand Barak with Kever-Yosef - because of him they lost that Druze guy. And the army didn’t like him for the events of 1997 - there was one murky story with missiles
            3. Yarbay
              +1
              15 September 2012 11: 15
              Quote: Odessa
              How many more millennia will this last?

              If I understood Esther correctly, then in Israeli society not everything is simple, that there are big confrontations and contradictions or not??
              1. Odessa
                +1
                15 September 2012 11: 58
                Yarbay,
                If I get you right

                Alibek, you understood correctly.
                Israel is a specific country, with a religious bias, with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, with the United States as allies, with the issue of disputed territories and claims from Syria, and a huge number of nationalities living in Israel, etc.
                Our valiant politicians sometimes disagree on issues. By the way, if we return to previous posts, religious Jews have a party, ShchAS, which represents their interests in the Knesset, a powerful bloc and weight in Israeli politics.
                1. Karish
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 12: 05
                  Quote: Odessa
                  religious Jews have a party called Shchas, which represents their interests in the Knesset, the most powerful bloc and weight in Israeli politics.

                  More precisely, Agudah + Degel haTorah, Shas, Mafdal. Ihud Ha Leumi - if you arrange them according to the degree of religiosity. A total of 30 mandates (a quarter of the Knesset 0 At the same time, Aguda and Degel Ha Torah are anti-Zionist parties, Mafdal and Ihud Leumi are super-Zionist (at the same time, both of them are believing Jews 0 It's not that simple. These are only religious ones, there are also secular ones like Likud, Avodah, Our Home Israel, Herut and Kadima, as well as the Arab ones - the Communists (Hadash), Ra'am and Taal. A total of 120 seats in the Knesset. Now try to create a coalition and a functioning government.
                2. Yarbay
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 12: 08
                  Quote: Odessa
                  Israel is a special country

                  Then don’t you think that Israel’s political structure is to its detriment??
                  What is needed in this case is presidential rule, and not parliamentary rule, which will more lead to a breakdown in society??
                  1. Odessa
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 12: 25
                    Yarbay,
                    Then don’t you think that Israel’s political structure is to its detriment?

                    So, what am I talking about! Whatever it seems, I’m fundamentally not interested in politics. And we have a president, kind grandfather Perez (as they say in common people). Here he is, God’s dandelion, rejoicing like a child.
                    1. Yarbay
                      0
                      15 September 2012 13: 00
                      Quote: Odessa
                      And we have a president, good grandfather Perez (as they say in common people). Here he is, God’s dandelion, rejoicing like a child.

                      Well, when the political system changes, this grandfather will quickly retire)))
                      And to be honest, he looks cute to me in this photo))))))
                      An obvious warrior in his youth)) Only real warriors retain something childish in their old age!!))
                  2. Karish
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 12: 26
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Then don’t you think that Israel’s political structure is to its detriment??
                    What is needed in this case is presidential rule, and not parliamentary rule, which will more lead to a breakdown in society??

                    You see, it would take exactly ten minutes to understand this, and I think so. If only our politicians would get to the bottom of this.
              2. +1
                15 September 2012 18: 32
                Extremely strong. The Jews, if there had not been external pressure, would probably have fought. However, this happened in such situations as well - from one of these situations the expression “putting the pig down” came from. It was actually planted on the defenders of the Temple. The Talmud tells the story of how at some point the siege of the Temple Mount took place. The defenders of the Temple Mount sit on top, and the besiegers sit below. That is, the factions of the Saducees and Pharisees are fighting, if I’m not mistaken. Or the Pharisees and Zealots. And so the defenders, besieged, every day lower a basket of money, take the money from below and place a calf or kid for sacrifice. He is taken up, a sacrifice is made, and, despite the siege, the sacrifices continue. And then someone tells the besiegers: “You give them sacrifices, that’s why they stay there.” Then the besiegers decide to screw them over. After this, the besieged begin to lift the basket, not knowing that there is a pig there. All in all. not the most pleasant situation.

                In Israel, one area can be ultra-religious, while another can be a gay liberation of homosexuals. Moreover, the regions will be nearby.
          2. Yarbay
            0
            15 September 2012 07: 35
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Orthodox Jews are the elite of the Israeli army

            Well, why are you lying, until recently they weren’t taken into the army!!
            1. +3
              15 September 2012 08: 53
              Young man, how do you write on Jewish topics if you cannot distinguish a conservative Jew from a Reform one, or an Orthodox Jew from an ultra-Orthodox one? request
              1. Yarbay
                0
                15 September 2012 09: 03
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Well, how do you write on Jewish topics?

                Is this a Jewish theme, grandpa?)))
              2. Karish
                +1
                15 September 2012 10: 54
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Young man, how do you write on Jewish topics if you cannot distinguish a conservative Jew from a Reform one, or an Orthodox Jew from an ultra-Orthodox one?

                Aron, you are a Jew, behave correctly. Alibek is the last person who should be attacked. In general, I understand Islam a little, but I never allowed myself to attack Alibek when he corrected or explained to me.. He doesn’t have to know all the intricacies. for this you would like to clarify. although I see (from my point of view and you have some misunderstanding or a special view on the topic)
                Sincerely .
                1. Yarbay
                  +3
                  15 September 2012 11: 08
                  Quote: Karish
                  You are a Jew, behave correctly

                  Thank you, Sanya!
                  Honestly, I didn’t even think about offending Mr. Aron!!
                  And I really learned a lot about Israel and Jews from you, Igor and Esther!
                  I’ll be honest, I’ve changed a lot in my position!!
                  Moreover, I didn’t expect from myself that my view on some things would change!!
                  This is the same as blogging Sergei, my opinion about pilots has changed!!
                  I used to think that these are the biggest people who don’t give a damn in the world and they just want to have a drink and go for a walk!!
                  But it turns out that the profession is almost mathematics and physics!!
                  Yours!
            2. Karish
              0
              15 September 2012 12: 06
              Quote: Yarbay
              Well, why are you lying, until recently they weren’t taken into the army!!

              It's very simple - equality. Why shouldn't he join the Army? Not to me ?
              1. Yarbay
                -1
                15 September 2012 12: 36
                Quote: Karish
                Why shouldn't he join the Army? Not to me ?

                Do the Orthodox themselves now ask to join the army??
                1. Karish
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 13: 04
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Do the Orthodox themselves now ask to join the army??

                  There is no need to ask to join the army. don't go - you have to ask.
                2. Odessa
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 13: 10
                  Yarbay,
                  Do the Orthodox themselves now ask to join the army?

                  In case of rejection from the army, punishment does not apply to them. Therefore, those who are religious want to go to serve, but those who are not, there is no trial for them. According to the previous conscription, there was a mess with the girls. At the conscription, they declare that they are religious. Later, the military The police found many of these “religious” refuseniks on Facebook, judging by their personal photos, far from being in a religious environment. The little girls went to serve like dear ones.
                  1. Yarbay
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 13: 30
                    Quote: Odessa
                    .According to the previous call there was a mess with the girls

                    But I remember Igor saying that it was very difficult to get into the army, they say it was almost a competition!!!
                    There are so many applicants that they even postpone the recruitment of some because there are no places!!??
                    And you brought up how one repatriate was tried for evasion!?
                    I'm a little confused!!
                    1. Odessa
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 13: 39
                      Yarbay,
                      But I remember Igor saying that it was very difficult to get into the army, they say it was almost a competition!!!

                      This was not about the army as a whole, but about the combat units of the IDF.
                      1. Yarbay
                        -1
                        15 September 2012 13: 48
                        Quote: Odessa
                        This was not about the army, but about the combat units of the IDF.

                        Wow!
                        How long I still don’t know!!
                        That is, not all units are combat units in Israel!? And the IDF is not the co-name of the army??
                      2. Odessa
                        0
                        15 September 2012 13: 53
                        Yarbay,
                        IDF is not the name of the army?

                        This is the very name of the army, but only in Hebrew. In Russian, the IDF is the IDF - the Israeli Defense Forces.
                      3. Yarbay
                        0
                        15 September 2012 14: 06
                        Quote: Odessa
                        In Russian IDF

                        What is the difference between combat units and others??
                        Because they are on the border??
                        After all, Israel is a very small country!!
                        Any non-combat unit could be on the front line in an hour!!??
          3. Karish
            0
            15 September 2012 10: 45
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Orthodox Jews are the elite of the Israeli army.

            Aaron, don’t distort, you meant kipot srugot. The ultra-Orthodox did not serve and will not serve (the NAHAL Battalion does not count, it only confirms the exception). They (with Bibi and Barak) can get out of any situation. I would not be surprised that we agree to call them up from the age of 27 and pay a salary. they will serve near the house and in their proper positions. And you, to ensure this equality, will pay an income tax of 70%.
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We'll smooth it out gradually.

            Aron, be real, they multiply at such a speed that it won’t work out gradually... only quickly and dramatically. Or in 30 years, they will start remaking your children
            1. +1
              15 September 2012 11: 00
              Well, I say, vote for Lapid! You can, of course, criticize him, but he hasn’t been covered up yet. Let's hope he doesn't let down his father's memory.
              1. Odessa
                0
                15 September 2012 11: 05
                Aron Zaavi,
                Well, I say, vote for Lapid!

                If you want, vote for whoever you want, it’s your personal right! I won’t vote at all anymore, there’s no need, but if Meir Dagan nominated himself, it would only be for him.
                1. Karish
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 11: 12
                  Quote: Odessa
                  , but if Meir Dagan nominated himself, it would be only for him.

                  Odessa resident, I’m with you (but he won’t go. In my opinion, he’s not the kind of person to get dirty with politics.) But you have to vote, then probably Lieberman. Lapid's dad has already been seen.
                  1. Odessa
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 11: 33
                    Karish,
                    But you have to vote

                    This is a personal matter for everyone; there are no obligations for elections.
                    then probably Lieberman.

                    Ask yourself the question, what will change if you vote for Lieberman? He won’t work for me, and I don’t care about the rest in politics.
                    And after the elections, I don’t want to join the dissatisfied, they themselves vote for someone, and then they themselves criticize them. So why go vote in order to remain disappointed? That’s why I don’t want to vote, so that I can then reproach myself for what that's not true.
                    In the village I also voted for the mayor, a free circus on the dart, nothing has changed for the better, village-village wassat
                    1. Karish
                      +2
                      15 September 2012 11: 40
                      Quote: Odessa
                      It’s a personal matter for everyone; there are no obligations for elections.

                      Of course
                      Quote: Odessa
                      So why go to vote and be left disappointed?

                      sometimes they vote not for anyone, but against someone else. who definitely doesn't suit you. did not receive undivided power.
                      Quote: Odessa
                      In the village I also voted for the measure, a free circus on the dart, nothing has changed for the better, village-village

                      Maybe it's hard for him. and you want everything at once
                      1. Odessa
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 11: 49
                        Karish,
                        I did not repatriate to Israel in order to raise the Arab village. And the fact that the Arabs got greedy, it’s good for them, it’s their personal problem, let them sort out their own manure.
                      2. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 11: 57
                        Quote: Odessa
                        I did not repatriate to Israel in order to raise the Arab village. And the fact that the Arabs got greedy, it’s good for them, it’s their personal problem, let them sort out their own manure.

                        Ma'alot is a tarshikha, or what? Or Nazareth? I don’t understand, I was voting in the village. Anyway . but I agree that they got greedy. But this is also the charm of democracy.
            2. Yarbay
              +2
              15 September 2012 11: 11
              Quote: Karish
              The ultra-Orthodox did not serve and will not serve (the NAHAL Battalion does not count, it only confirms the exception). They (with Bibi and Barak) can get out of any situation. I would not be surprised that we agree to call them up from the age of 27 and pay a salary. they will serve near the house and in their proper positions. And you, to ensure this equality, will pay an income tax of 70%.
              But what's the big deal??
              Why can’t they serve, but they can fight with the police?? and why do you think they won’t serve anyway??
              1. Karish
                +1
                15 September 2012 11: 33
                Quote: Yarbay
                Why can’t they serve, but they can fight with the police?? and why do you think they won’t serve anyway??

                During the founding of the state. There were a couple of thousand Orthodox (almost all died in the Holocaust), so Ben-Gurion, out of a desire to preserve the core of Torah students, etc. exempted them from military service. Many years have passed, now there are half a 600 thousand of them and...
                Let's start with the fact that they do not recognize the state (for the most part, because they believe that the state of Israel can only be created after the coming of the Messiah)
                But at the same time, you still want to eat, but you don’t want to work (therefore, hiding behind the release of Ben Gurion). They claim that studying Torah is their work and service. No one remembers anymore. that there is no one left to save. because There are simply hundreds of thousands of them. The status quo will remain. This is very confusing, ultra-Orthodox - impoverished. an undeveloped and backward part of society, but due to their cohesion they represent a fairly strong and controlled electorate (by their teachers, rabbis, 0, which can overthrow almost any government. Therefore, they agree with them - the disadvantages of democracy - equality is not always smoother in democracy .
                They will serve only then. when the subsidies and assistance they receive will be related to military service.
                Understand. this sector is very closed. they live in their own world. The rabbis who run them have enormous power (all are ultra-divided historically, between various * schools * for the study of Torah, which are led by rabbis (practically the descendants of the founders of these schools, a kind of dynasty), they have almost unlimited influence on their congregation and have given permission to serve in the Army. they are afraid of losing part of this power because people will start going out into the world, they will start asking uncomfortable questions, fermentation will begin - they don’t need this, and they need power over these people. Power and money - everything is connected - that’s why the ultra-Orthodox are some hostages of the system in which they live and created for themselves. In general, there is a problem. But it’s too bad to cut it and the sooner, the better.
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  15 September 2012 11: 49
                  Sanya, did I understand correctly that Judaism has many different movements!!???
                  And that ultradox rabbis may not be recognized as rabbis of ordinary synagogues and that their religious views are different???
                  1. Karish
                    +2
                    15 September 2012 12: 19
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Sanya, did I understand correctly that Judaism has many different movements!!???

                    Three main
                    Ultra-Orthodox. reformist. conservative
                    The Ultra-Orthodox is divided into Ashkenazim (European) and Sephardim (Eastern countries), Ethiopians stand separately. I still haven’t figured out who to include.
                    Ashkenazim do not interact with Sephardim. The synagogues are different. The rituals are slightly different (but this is enough for Ashkenazim to consider Sephardim not kosher). Marriages between them are rare.
                    Let me remind you that we are talking about ultra-orthodox believers; there is no need to confuse them with the entire population of Israel.
                    The first violin in the ultra-Orthodox movement is played by people from Lithuania - we cannot question their authority (Hasidei Vizhnits, Panevizhys, Breslav,) Chabad. Then the Admorian houses - Bukharian Jews (already Sephardim), Morocco (Baba SAli). Kabbalists (the secret teaching of Zohar) stand separately. There are also people from Yemen - with the order of prayer as in the first temple, subbotniks, Samaritans and Karaites. Well, that's about some of it. Since there is simply not enough space to list all the branches.
                    1. tekinoral
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 30
                      Karaites. aren't they Turkic-speaking people,

                      Sephardim like emigrants from Spain to the Ottoman Empire
                      1. Karish
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 12: 38
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        Karaites. aren't they Turkic-speaking people,

                        Jews living in Crimea
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        Sephardim like emigrants from Spain to the Ottoman Empire

                        Sephardim come from Spain (Sfarad - Spain (Hebrew)) After persecution from Spain they settled throughout the Eastern countries. Georgia. Wed. Asia, Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia. Egypt, etc.
                        \Ashkenazim -Germany, etc. Until now, the language of communication is exclusively Yiddish.
                    2. Yarbay
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 34
                      Quote: Karish
                      Let me remind you that we are talking about ultra-orthodox believers; there is no need to confuse them with the entire population of Israel.

                      but there are already 600 thousand of them, and this is not a small number, and given their discipline, it is an impressive force or am I mistaken?
                      1. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 39
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        but there are already 600 thousand of them, and this is not a small number, and given their discipline, it is an impressive force or am I mistaken?

                        Correct, but taking into account. that every family usually has 7 children or more - a ticking time bomb.
                  2. +1
                    15 September 2012 12: 24
                    There are a lot of currents, but in relation to the Torah, and how a religious person should live in the modern world.
                    Karish The fact is that knitted kippas are orthodox. "Penguins" are ultra-Orthodox.
                    As for not voting, any secular non-voting in elections increases the importance of religious ones in the Knesset. You need to get your ass off the couch and go vote for those who are least disgusting, if you don’t like anyone.
                    1. Odessa
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 31
                      Aron Zaavi,
                      We need to get our ass off the couch and go vote.

                      Aron, no one is arguing, if you want, go vote, and stop calling the ultra-Orthodox penguins, unless they are black and white, and the religious ones have traditional clothes.
                      1. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 44
                        Quote: Odessa
                        and stop calling the ultra-Orthodox penguins, except that they are black and white, and the religious ones have traditional clothes.

                        Aaron, shame on you. penguins are sacred.
                      2. Odessa
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 12: 48
                        Karish,
                        Stop convincing my cat here on the forum. You’re taking advantage of the fact that he can’t answer you. laughing
                      3. Karish
                        0
                        15 September 2012 12: 57
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Stop trying to persuade my cat here on the forum. You’re taking advantage of the fact that he can’t answer you.
                      4. Yarbay
                        0
                        15 September 2012 13: 14
                        I never understood cats, except for one!)))))
                        His name was Chika, every morning he caught five or six mice at his dacha and carefully put them in my friend’s mother’s slippers)))
                      5. Karish
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 12: 49
                        Esther, Happy New Year, have you dressed up a palm tree?
                      6. Odessa
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 14: 06
                        Karish,
                        Esther, Happy New Year, have you dressed up a palm tree?

                        In an Arab village, the Jewish New Year and Rosh Hashanah are not celebrated. So the palm trees are without decorations. By the way, Catholics decorate their trees with eggs for Easter, and for Christmas and New Year with fir trees.
                      7. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 16: 17
                        Quote: Odessa
                        In an Arab village, the Jewish New Year and Rosh Hashanah are not celebrated. So the palm trees are without decorations
                        How does this concern you? You don't live in a village. Shana tova!!!!!!!! Hag sameah!!!!!!!!She nihie brosh, elya le b zanav. love
                        Happy New Year 5773 everyone! drinks
                      8. +1
                        15 September 2012 16: 25
                        Quote: Karish
                        !She nihie brooches, ale le b zanav.

                        Hi Sasha, what is this, he confessed his love?
                      9. Karish
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 16: 40
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Shouts Sasha, what is this, he confessed his love?

                        No, Alexander, nothing threatens your championship and I can only dream about dumplings
                        Standard (but heartfelt 0 Happy New Year greetings.
                        Have a great year!!Happy Holidays! So that they are in the head and not in the tail (i.e. first), by the way, this is precisely why they eat stuffed fish on New Year’s Day.
                        Happy New Year to all Jews, and the same to non-Jews. May the year be successful, the children happy, healthy and peaceful drinks
                      10. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 16: 54
                        Quote: Karish
                        Happy New Year to all Jews, and the same to non-Jews. May the year be successful, the children happy, healthy and peaceful

                        Thank you from all non-Jews))) and accept my sincere congratulations!!
                        Whose date is the holiday??Today??
                      11. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 00
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Thank you from all non-Jews))) and accept my sincere congratulations!!
                        Whose date is the holiday??Today??

                        Thank you . Expensive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Tomorrow evening, the day begins/ends with the rising of the 3rd star (according to religion). As you remember Suvorov in advertising - you can’t reach the XNUMXrd star.
                        5773, from the creation of the world. It seems that it somehow does not correspond to the achievements of science and the dinosaurs are offended, but nothing can be done, tomorrow is 5773. Happy holiday everyone. God is One.
                      12. Odessa
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 11
                        Karish,
                        This means that at 00.00 Jerusalem time, Karish will crawl onto the site with traditional congratulations drinks .Shana tova and matuka!Enough is enough! laughing
                      13. Karish
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 17: 21
                        Quote: Odessa
                        This means that at 00.00 Jerusalem time, Karish will crawl onto the site with traditional congratulations. Shana tova and matuka! Enough is enough for you

                        It won't float out. and Shana tova will not wish to be metuka, because at this time it will already be in stubs. We sit down at the table at 18.00.
                      14. +2
                        15 September 2012 16: 55
                        Quote: Karish
                        Standard (but heartfelt 0 Happy New Year greetings.

                        So I have a reason to throw down a hundred drops, I’ll go and get ready. drinks And for the first time in my life I will celebrate the Jewish New Year winked drinks
                      15. +2
                        15 September 2012 18: 34
                        שנה טובה וחגשמח!
                      16. Odessa
                        0
                        15 September 2012 20: 38
                        Pimply,
                        שנה טובה וחגשמח!

                        תודה ו גם לכה!
                      17. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 20: 49
                        Quote: Odessa
                        תודה ו גם לכה!

                        לך,לך ולכולם
                      18. Kamilla
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 20: 43
                        Quote: Karish
                        All Jews - Happy New Year, and the same for non-Jews. May the year be successful, the children happy, healthy and peaceful


                        happy holiday !!! drinks and you have 5773??? belay
                      19. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 20: 50
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        happy holiday!!! and you have 5773???

                        Today 5772. tomorrow 5773
                      20. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 16: 52
                        New Year!!)) Just yesterday my son was preparing orders for Santa Claus))) what a coincidence))))))
                      21. Karish
                        +1
                        15 September 2012 17: 02
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        New Year!!)) Just yesterday my son was preparing orders for Santa Claus))) what a coincidence))))))

                        You and I have an advantage; we (like you) celebrate two New Years a year. drinks
                      22. Odessa
                        +3
                        15 September 2012 17: 26
                        Karish,
                        You and I have an advantage, we (like you) celebrate two New Years a year

                        And some people celebrate the old New Year drinks
                      23. Karish
                        +2
                        15 September 2012 17: 32
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And some people celebrate the old New Year

                        Esther. you are just a miracle, someone is me. We are celebrating 3 and have even been invited to celebrate the end of Ramadan several times. The main thing is to want to have fun, and we will find a reason
                      24. 0
                        15 September 2012 18: 35
                        In fact - six bully There are 4 pieces in the Jewish New Years calendar, one is just brighter than the others, a new normal one and a new old one. So it's six
                    2. Karish
                      0
                      15 September 2012 12: 32
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Karish the thing is that knitted yarmulkes are orthodox

                      In general, the massort are those who adhere to traditions. They are not orthodox. Orthodoxy - (roughly of course) this is Shas.
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      As for not voting, any secular not voting in elections increases the importance of religious ones in the Knesset

                      And Arabs. Can't argue with that
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      for those who are least disgusting, if no one likes them

                      as I said. You can be friends against someone.
  64. +3
    15 September 2012 01: 21
    Nice article, Congratulations!
    It is in this tone that they write about Russia in the Western press. They are not shy, they lie and distort the facts!
    Propaganda against Russia is in full swing.
    So we should write more and boldly in the Russian media about what exactly is happening in the world.
  65. +3
    15 September 2012 01: 52
    Ataturk
    Are you talking about the freaks from the “Naturei Karta” sect? Even ultra-Orthodox Jews shun them as if they were infected with the plague. So there is a black mark in the family. Jews even became kapos and betrayed their underground members, and what? Among Jews, the percentage of scoundrels is the same as among Azerbaijanis. It would be foolish to think otherwise.
    And in general, Israel was created mainly by socialist Jews who had a politely aloof attitude towards religion. Now religion has moved from the synagogue into politics, and it’s time to bring it back there.
    Now further. You insulted Jews by calling Jews Jews, i.e. According to the logic of the Russian language, Jews were prescribed a lot of negative qualities. Zionism is not a religious movement, but a national liberation movement of Jews. Therefore, any religious interpretation of Zionism is distortion.
    And once again READ on the open Internet the meaning of the ZIONISM movement, its political goals and objectives. Don’t suck it all out of your fingers.
    1. Ataturk
      +2
      15 September 2012 02: 45
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      You insulted Jews by calling Jews Jews

      I didn’t name it, I said what you call it. I called them Zionists. Please read carefully.

      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Zionism is not a religious movement, but a national liberation movement of Jews.

      Excuse me for asking, separation from whom or what?

      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And once again READ on the open Internet the meaning of the ZIONISM movement, its political goals and objectives. Don’t suck it all out of your fingers.

      I will be glad to have a link
      1. +3
        15 September 2012 08: 59
        Let me explain again: You have repeatedly called Jews Jews. In Russian, this sounds offensive to both the ears of Natan Sharansky and the ears of David Dragunsky, although one of them was an ardent Zionist, and the other was an ardent communist. Even you probably already understand why.
        And the Jews had to free themselves from the right of foreign peoples to decide their fate, from assimilation, from the loss of culture and the loss of their best representatives, who, understandably, tried to join the elite of their countries of residence, where their abilities served anyone, but not the Jews.
        I liked the link. drinks Witty. But if you are too lazy to type the word Zionism into the search engine, then please do so.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сионизм
        1. Ataturk
          +1
          15 September 2012 10: 16
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Let me explain again: You have repeatedly called Jews Jews.

          You are not telling the truth. I didn’t call you zhi-da-mi. I am writing as a Zionist. I don’t like the word w-i-d at all
          1. +3
            15 September 2012 10: 22
            Re-read the entire thread from the beginning, including all your posts, and note that I simply do not enter into controversy with some because of their denseness. You just surprised me this time.
            1. with
              0
              15 September 2012 12: 28
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Re-read the entire thread from the beginning, including all your posts, and note that with some I just I don't enter into controversy because of their denseness.

              Yes we just YOU ARE OBLIGED or MUST immediately?!!!))) bully
    2. Karish
      -1
      15 September 2012 11: 03
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Are you talking about the freaks from the “Naturei Karta” sect? Even ultra-Orthodox Jews shun them as if they were infected with the plague. So there is a black mark in the family. Jews even became kapos and betrayed their underground members, and what? Among Jews, the percentage of scoundrels is the same as among Azerbaijanis. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

      Not true, not only Naturei Karta. All ultra-Orthodox are anti-Zionists (I’m not mistaken) Have you ever wondered why not a single ultra-Orthodox (in the government) occupies a ministerial post, but only deputies and the chairman of the fin. Knesset commissions. --- Your opinion.
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Among Jews, the percentage of scoundrels is the same as among Azerbaijanis. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

      It would be more correct to write - other nationalities.
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Now further. You insulted Jews by calling Jews Jews

      Ataturk - if this happens again, then I’m afraid that upon arrival in Azerbaijan, I will never cross the threshold of your house (unless of course this worries you)
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And once again READ on the open Internet the meaning of the ZIONISM movement,

      Indeed, understand the topic, the return of the original Azerbaijani lands is also a kind of Zionism (you will understand what I mean by reading the definition of Zionism)
      1. +1
        15 September 2012 12: 29
        According to the latest survey 63% ultra-Orthodox called themselves Zionists. Shas is also a party of ultra-Orthodox Jewry and holds 4 ministerial posts. And in the army the situation is gradually changing with a creak. “Netzach Yehudi” and the SHAHAR program are just the first steps, but the guys from ZAKA are truly hellish work.
      2. Ataturk
        0
        15 September 2012 12: 32
        Quote: Karish
        Ataturk - if this happens again, then I’m afraid that upon arrival in Azerbaijan, I will never cross the threshold of your house (unless of course this worries you)


        My dear, I always wrote Zionists and not j-i-d. And at the top they wrote the word Yid and I wrote, Zionists or whatever you like you call them kikes , look at what I wrote above. I don’t have the word zh-i-d in my vocabulary, but I do have a Zionist, and I admit it!!! Now I'll show you the text
  66. mind1954
    0
    15 September 2012 03: 17
    TransNational Capital realizes its interests, not paying attention to any
    elections that Sarkozy, that Obama, no matter what the lives of American diplomats, etc.!
    Seeing that the event in Syria is breaking down, I pressed all the pedals!
    He is trying to influence the UN through the USA and NATO! On US and NATO policies through
    State Department! To all kinds of "terrorist", "fanatical" performances
    in the Middle East and sabotage war in the Caucasus through Western intelligence agencies!
    With his submission, the Middle East will blaze, and he will approach "firefighters" there on ships, so
    they, for one, and Syria "put out" !!!
  67. 0
    15 September 2012 06: 47
    The West pumped a lot of money into the Middle East, paid for these extravagances with interest. There was unused money left... and as in the joke about a wedding... they ordered a fight?... nooo... let's get started... paid for. What else To say, these events show that they went to hell, they went in a gang, now the division of the spoils has begun, and clearly there are those who are not happy with the distribution pattern.
  68. +1
    15 September 2012 09: 07
    Interestingly, the filmmakers knew perfectly well how it would all end... So why did they need it? It's not clear yet. One thing is clear: the ambassador was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    The reaction to the film in the Muslim world once again showed how easy it is to control religious fanatics and at the same time once again confirmed that atheists will always be stronger than people entangled in religious dogma.
  69. Ataturk
    +1
    15 September 2012 09: 26
    Uv. Ruslan67, you asked me to write a war scenario purely between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

    So, if Azerbaijan had decided to attack Karabakh just 3 years ago, the situation could have gotten out of control. For example, events could develop as follows: Azerbaijan attacks Karabakh and in the first days achieves certain successes (taking into account the fighting spirit, hatred towards them and modern weapons in Azerbaijan), the Armenian armed forces are forced to inflict very heavy blows on Azerbaijan (to for example, the bombing of Ganja (2nd city in Azerbaijan) or the explosion of the Mingachevir reservoir), Azerbaijan, in turn, attacks not only Karabakh, but also Armenia (this is 100%), and in this case Russia is forced to fulfill its allied obligations and intervene...

    But there is one BUT. Under no circumstances should Russia become an enemy of Azerbaijan, and Russia also does not want to lose Azerbaijan completely, since from an economic point of view, this promises the worst consequences, the trans-Caspian pipeline, all energy projects will be done bypassing Russia, and NATO will embrace Azerbaijan with all its arms . Therefore, the Russian authorities are taking the next step.

    First, clearly state that Armenia is an ally of Russia (but only within 29 thousand sq. km, without Karabakh), so that the Azerbaijanis would not think of attacking it.

    Secondly, it provides Azerbaijan with the S-300 Favorite air defense system so that the Armenian armed forces would not be able to inflict heavy air strikes on it."

    In addition to all this, Azerbaijan is acquiring the latest version of Israeli air defense. Russian and Israeli shield. The air is protected!

    Russia took 2 specific steps: with one, it guaranteed the security of Armenia itself (it signed a base in Gyumri for 50 years) from possible aggression, and with another, it secured the territory of Azerbaijan from destructive attacks. “In such a situation, there is no longer any fear that a new war will get out of control, and it will certainly be local.”

    All this does not mean that Russia or other superpowers will take sides during this local war. They just want to finally resolve the Karabakh conflict, and since this cannot be done through peaceful negotiations, they can only try the “local war” method.

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    1. Ataturk
      0
      15 September 2012 09: 39
      Azerbaijan has the largest armed forces in Transcaucasia: 95 thousand people + 85 thousand in the ground forces. The total strength of the Armenian armed forces is about 53 people. Plus, Azerbaijan has $500 billion RESERVE, which allows Azerbaijan not only to purchase weapons, but also to hire mercenaries if necessary. And the army has been trained by Turkish specialists since 40. There is a possibility that the Mossad is also preparing. In the event of war, Armenia will be limited to assistance in ammunition, and Azerbaijan already has a military industry, I am silent about the new Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway, which will quickly be able to transfer assistance.

      The joint air defense forces of Russia and Armenia operate according to a scheme developed during the existence of the USSR, which means joint control of airspace in the southern direction, using combat aircraft and anti-aircraft units. In essence, this is an anti-NATO, and in fact an anti-Turkish version of air defense, although recently there has been a significant warming of relations between Moscow and Ankara.

      According to an independent expert assessment, only 8500 citizens of NK and 10 thousand of Armenia serve in the Nagorno-Karabakh army.
      And the military budget of Azerbaijan is equal to the entire budgets of Armenia and Georgia combined. Approaching the $4.5 billion mark.

      The 21st CENTURY is the era of precision weapons. What Azerbaijan has on a huge scale. They talk about the fighting spirit of the Armenians, but I will say this: when a whole salvo of TORDORS flies at a person, no spirit will help there.

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      1. Ataturk
        0
        15 September 2012 09: 51
        I would like to provide you with an interview with one politician, an Armenian. Let's read.

        conclusion made by Levon Ter-Petrosyan: Armenia is a small, poor country cut off from the sea, without any significant natural resources, surrounded by Turkic peoples. In the west is Turkey with its 75 million population, while in the east is Azerbaijan with 7 million, and in the south - according to some estimates - 30 million Azeri-Turks of Iran. On the other hand, the Georgians in the north have always been allies of the Turks for many centuries. Armenia does not have a common border with Russia. In these conditions, the only way to exist is to establish good relations with neighbors, especially with the Turks. The third important conclusion made by Mr. Petrosyan: if Armenia wants real independence, it must break with Moscow. Yerevan, which has been so dependent on Moscow for decades, must break these ties and get back on its feet.
        Conclusions Petrosyan, ultimately, the following:
        1. Armenians should not rely on the support of other states in achieving goals that go far beyond their own strengths and capabilities.
        2. It is necessary to develop relations with neighbors, especially with Turkey.
        3. It is necessary to quickly reduce dependence on Russia and create a fully independent Armenia.


        That is, what we see is that there is a split in the Armenian society, some want to secede and establish relations with us, while others (the current regime) itself shows that there is no such independent country as Armenia. Everything is in the hands of Moscow, which means we need to negotiate with Moscow. We will also soon find out how much the war or Karabakh costs. We will soon find out how much Russia is ready to lose important facilities and contracts for the sake of its leverage in Transcaucasia. The radar station in Gabala is already being lost!!!

        Let's go further.

        By “Motherland” the Armenians understood, first of all, territories and unrealistic dreams. They considered the capture of Karabakh (Azerbaijan), Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan) and Javakheti (Georgia) and their inclusion in Armenia as a top priority. Even before the collapse of the Soviet Union, Armenian ultra-nationalists began fighting for the annexation of Karabakh to Armenia. Thus, even before the start of the implementation of Petrosyan’s plan, the Karabakh problem became dominant in the region. In addition to this, there was unrest in Azerbaijan, and thanks to direct support from Moscow, the Armenians not only captured Karabakh, but also cities and villages in which only Azerbaijanis lived. They attacked Nakhchivan, but as a result of an immediate warning from Turkey, military action was limited to the eastern front.
        1. Ataturk
          0
          15 September 2012 09: 55
          After Petrosyan, the extreme romantic Robert Kocharyan came to power. He was not even a citizen of Armenia when he became president. He got into the elections through fraud and had no idea what a state is. He was a militant in the full sense of the word and understood the task of the Armenians in such a way that everything captured by the Armenians must be defended. In his opinion, the Turks are bad, the Armenians are good, Russia is a friend, and Azerbaijan and Turkey are enemies. His ideas do not go beyond this.
          Thus ended the era of Petrosyan, and with it faded hopes for peace. Kocharyan’s policies and principles were the exact opposite of previous conclusions.
          1. Relations with Russia deepened, and many Russians and Russian supporters took key positions in Armenia. During this period, at the same time that other former Soviet republics were moving economically and politically away from Russia, Armenia became even more dependent on Russia than it had been in Soviet times. IN Features in the energy sector of Armenia Russia has become a monopolist. Having taken a dominant position in the economy, Russia also began to control Armenian politics. Armenia has become the only stronghold in the Caucasus, although it cannot receive significant help from Russia.
          2. Kocharyan’s team has made tremendous efforts to develop relations with the Diaspora. She especially hoped to find loans and sources of financial assistance in the diaspora. The diaspora was able to provide economic and political assistance. However, the expected economic assistance came very late, and it was significantly less than expected. Moreover, extremists seized a monopoly on relations with Armenia and even established control over the country's internal policy. Armenia has never been able to become an independent country on its own feet.
          3. The Kocharyan government almost declared war on the Turkish people. A campaign has begun to pass a so-called genocide bill in parliaments around the world. It was assumed that in this way Turkey would find itself in a difficult position in the international arena and would be forced to accept Armenian demands. In other words, Kocharyan began to once again use classic Armenian tactics. By not relying on its own strengths, but counting on outside support, Armenia harmed its relations with its neighbors.
          4. Finally, Armenia under Kocharyan began an uncompromising policy on the Karabakh issue. It was stated that Karabakh is an independent state and will never be returned to Azerbaijan. For the other regions under the Armenian occupation, no concessions were made either. Being from Karabakh himself, Kocharyan hired security guards from Karabakh Armenians to protect his presidency and personal security. Thus, the Karabakh issue took control over Armenia’s foreign and domestic policy.
      2. with
        +3
        15 September 2012 10: 03
        Quote: Ataturk
        Azerbaijan has the most numerous armed forces in Transcaucasia:

        Ataturk, good Saturday morning!!! hi
        I understand that you are proud of your country and a patriot, this is wonderful.
        But let's approach the last war honestly (Azerbaijan-Armenia) - in fact, all the artillery calculations were carried out by Soviet officers (volley - then go collect the corpses)!
        My opinion is that Azerbaijan is now at a crossroads, one wrong step can lead to BIG problems and no one will help, except the government, which admits its mistakes (if there are any, and they will be) and diplomatically solves or tries to solve the problems that are intensely creates for himself, not without the help of Western “friends”!
        1. Ataturk
          +2
          15 September 2012 10: 28
          Hi Met.
          I have now asked the administration to create a topic about the Armenian-Karabakh problem, if they do, I will give good facts. And then the topics are unfortunately closed. There with great pleasure I will talk with you.
          You are right, of course, in certain moments, but let’s wait for what the administration says and then we’ll discuss it.
          1. Karish
            +1
            15 September 2012 10: 36
            Quote: Ataturk
            You are right, of course, in certain moments, but let’s wait for what the administration says and then we’ll discuss it.

            Ataturk. she already said. Why were the comments deleted? There was definitely nothing extreme about mine. Nonsense .
            1. Yarbay
              +2
              15 September 2012 11: 01
              Quote: Karish
              Ataturk. she already said

              and what did she say and where??
              Quote: Karish
              Why were the comments deleted? There was definitely nothing extreme about mine. Nonsense .

              I, too, have recently seen that completely normal comments are being deleted!
              But the owner is a gentleman!
              1. with
                +3
                15 September 2012 11: 29
                Quote: Yarbay
                I, too, have recently seen that completely normal comments are being deleted!
                But the owner is a gentleman!

                Here, Alibek, I warned you about '37.
                The admins put up with us for a long time!!!
                1. Yarbay
                  +2
                  15 September 2012 11: 54
                  Quote: met
                  Here, Alibek, I warned you about '37.
                  The admins put up with us for a long time!!!

                  Yes, you are right, but I am convinced this is not a solution!
                  We need drastic changes both here and in the forum!!
                  Without them, everything is temporary!!
                  1. with
                    +1
                    15 September 2012 12: 19
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Yes, you are right, but I am convinced this is not a solution!
                    We need drastic changes both here and in the forum!!
                    Without them, everything is temporary!!

                    Exit or no exit - it’s up to them (administrators) to decide.)))
                    Damn, the site is addictive (I can’t go fishing, I spent the whole evening preparing yesterday!)
                    1. Yarbay
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 35
                      Quote: met
                      Damn, the site is addictive (I can’t go fishing, I spent the whole evening preparing yesterday!)

                      Will you eat alone or with friends??)))
                    2. Odessa
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 12: 56
                      with,
                      Damn, the site is addictive (I can’t go fishing, I spent the whole evening preparing yesterday!

                      What's the problem? Do like Romanov, order fish to be delivered to your house. laughing
        2. Yarbay
          +1
          15 September 2012 10: 31
          Quote: met
          I understand that you are proud of your country and a patriot, this is wonderful.
          But let's approach the last war honestly (Azerbaijan-Armenia) - in fact, all the artillery calculations were carried out by Soviet officers (volley - then go collect the corpses)!

          How else!!
          All our officers and those of the enemy were Soviet, that is, they graduated from Soviet military schools and served in the Soviet army - this is already clear!!
          Quote: met
          My opinion is that Azerbaijan is now at a crossroads, one wrong step can lead to BIG problems and no one will help, except the government, which admits its mistakes (if there are any, and they will be) and diplomatically solves or tries to solve the problems that are intensely creates for himself, not without the help of Western “friends”!
          I don’t agree about the crossroads, on the contrary, I see more planning in the actions of the last two or three years than before!
          It seems to me that some kind of goal has been set and we are systematically moving towards it!
          At least, analyzing what’s happening, that’s how I see it!

          Quote: met
          My opinion is that Azerbaijan is now at a crossroads, one wrong step can lead to BIG problems and no one will help, except the government, which admits its mistakes (if there are any, and they will be) and diplomatically solves or tries to solve the problems that are intensely creates for himself, not without the help of Western “friends”!

          Regarding the error and possible problem, I completely agree!!
          I also think there will be a war, without it the issue cannot be resolved, and I even have a plan in my head!!
          I think everything is heading towards war, but I am reassured that our leadership is taking this seriously and wisely, judging by what is being done!!
          1. with
            +3
            15 September 2012 11: 27
            Quote: Yarbay
            I think everything is heading towards war, but I am reassured that our leadership is taking this seriously and wisely, judging by what is being done!!

            War is not “reasonableness”, it is sweat, dirt, blood and the death of people, sometimes very close ones (let's tell the truth)!
            1. Yarbay
              +4
              15 September 2012 11: 29
              Quote: met
              War is not “reasonableness”, it is sweat, dirt, blood and the death of people, sometimes very close ones (let's tell the truth)!

              I agree, but God forbid you be in my shoes, I mean in our situation!
              When you just stupidly want to win or die, and in my case I’m ready to die three times, but win!!
  70. 0
    15 September 2012 09: 47
    The rocking of the situation in the Arab world may reach Russia - “swamp gas” may become a provocation today. Colleagues! Be carefull!!
    1. +2
      15 September 2012 11: 58
      Quote: crambol
      Colleagues! Be carefull!!

      Yes, we don’t seem to be going to Bolotnaya to speak out under the banners of gays fighting for democracy, who are you calling for vigilance? Here on the Bolotnaya website today, they are all there.
  71. escobar
    +1
    15 September 2012 11: 54
    Each Gaddafiite gets an RPG and goes ahead to destroy the Yusov special forces and the embassy.
  72. MI-AS-72
    +1
    15 September 2012 12: 06
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    According to the logic of the Russian language, Jews were prescribed a lot of negative qualities.

    It’s absurd, the logic of the Russian language cannot attribute anything, it (the Russian language can express and there are expressions of the logic of constructing the Russian language). But the train of thought itself cannot be attributed to the correct one (the revolutions of 1905, 1917, the genocide of the Russian people of 1918-1920 and the coup of 1991). This is a fact - a conscious reality that exists independently of your beliefs, i.e., TRUTH,
    1. +1
      15 September 2012 12: 40
      And all these tragedies were committed over a people of many millions, with an army, security services and their own elite, by a bunch of Jews? However, they are just as powerful as titans good . You yourself are not ashamed to insult the Great (without any irony) Russian people, depriving them in your messages of intelligence, courage and simply the instinct of self-survival, presenting their historical development not as a set of complex economic, cultural and political changes, but as a conspiracy of a bunch of foreigners. In principle, there was nothing new in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. Both the bourgeois revolution in England and the Great French Revolution were no less tragic. These countries were lucky that Cromwell and Napoleon were better prepared for their role than Stalin and they did not have communist ideas.
      1. MI-AS-72
        +1
        15 September 2012 22: 09
        Uncle, breathe calmly and don’t clatter your tongue, you’ll need it somewhere else, otherwise “Great Russian people, aren’t you ashamed,” didn’t you master your previous writing? Russia and the USSR are not the first and not the last in this list of Judas, this is why your God drove you through the desert for 40 years, that you cannot live in peace with anyone, you think everything without your “Mine and we want it this way”, the world will not manage , I remembered Stalin, but didn’t remember Bronstein, Sverdlov and Co. You read your Torah with the same manual for combat use in its purest form, so there is no need to disown it. “Little people”, the value system and education of your people is built in such a way that you consider yourself God’s chosen, everyone else is so-so, therefore you should be forgiven for the murder of children, old people and women in the 21st century. Of course, everything can be explained in words and you are fighting for your survival and the strongest has won, but you don’t have to give up the fact that not a single major nasty thing in the world happened without your money and your participation. I don't like it, but it's true. I have a completely calm attitude towards any nationalities, and I wish everyone well, provided that they do not interfere with the life of me and my country, including with all sorts of ideas.
  73. Ataturk
    +3
    15 September 2012 12: 44
    Well, what do you guys say?

    Charity director behind film about Islam and former prisoner ("Los Angeles Times", USA)

    One of them ran an unknown charity in a sleepy suburb east of Los Angeles. The other was a poor gas station operator who had just been released from prison.

    Last year, these two Egyptian immigrants joined forces and created a film that shook the stability of the entire Middle East.

    On Thursday, September 13, it became known that Joseph Nassralla Abdelmasih, president of the Media for Christ charity in Duarte, and Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a former prisoner from Cerritos, are behind the filming of the film “Innocence of Muslims.” . The low-budget film's trailer, which recently leaked online, has sparked a wave of violence across the Arab world over the past few days.

    Media for Christ, whose mission it says is to "let the light of Jesus shine" around the world, received permission to shoot the film in August 2011, and according to government officials and people involved in the filming film, Nakula provided his house as a film set and paid for the actors' work.

    Los Angeles County officials said the U.S. State Department asked them not to release copies of the film's permit containing information about the film's organizers, further indicating the seriousness of the situation. Obama administration officials also asked YouTube executives to check whether the film's trailer violates the website's user agreement.

    The two men appear to have been on the run since Thursday. As outrage surrounding the film grew, they and their associates tried to distance themselves from it. Nakula told Associated Press reporters that during filming he served as a logistics manager and not as a director. According to one Coptic bishop, Nakoula assured him that he was not involved in the filming.

    "He completely denied any involvement in the making of the film," said Bishop Serapion of the Coptic Orthodox Diocese of Los Angeles.

    On Wednesday, a Media for Christ spokesman said the charity was not involved in the film and that its members were upset by its controversial content. That same day, a person who served as a script consultant during filming said Nassrallah had "nothing to do with it."

    However, a Duarte city spokeswoman said she learned from the sheriff's office that permission to film the film had been issued to Media for Christ. An actor named Tim Dax, who starred in the film, said he received $75 a day in checks paid from the bank account of Abanoba Bassley Nakula, a name associated with the house in Cerritos where Nakula Bassley Nakula lives. The house's unusual front door, with triangular windows and a semicircle pattern, is seen in the film's 14-minute trailer posted on YouTube.
    1. Ataturk
      +2
      15 September 2012 12: 48
      and here is his face



      Neither the charity nor the two men had previously come to the attention of anti-racial and religious hate groups or law enforcement agencies that monitor the activities of extremists. Their status as unknowns contrasts with that of Steve Klein, an anti-Islam activist who has openly stated that he served as a script consultant during the film's production. Klein's activities have been monitored by various Muslim groups for many years. One of his platforms was a weekly show on the Media for Christ satellite channel called The Way TV.

      The channel, which primarily broadcasts prayers, services and hymns for Arab Christians living in Canada, the United States and the Middle East, was the main project of Media for Christ before the controversial film was filmed.

      Nassrallah founded his charity in 2005 with $30000 of his own savings. The organization listed eight employees and $2011 million in donations on its 1 tax return, when the film was filmed.

      “Due to the huge number of donors, it is impossible to list the names of everyone,” the declaration says.

      Although Media for Christ is listed in government databases as an evangelical organization dedicated to spreading the teachings of Christ, in recent years Nassrallah has devoted himself to criticizing Islam in speeches and interviews. Along with Klein, Nassrallah accused Sheriff Lee Baca of siding with the Muslim Brotherhood because the sheriff works closely with a prominent Muslim-American advocacy group.

      “I fled to America with my family because of the violence we suffered for our Christian faith,” Nassrallah wrote on an anti-Islam website last year. “Sheriff Buck needs to be fired and the county government needs to apologize to all those who suffered at the hands of representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood."

      In a 2010 speech in New York, Nassrallah strongly criticized violence against Egyptian Christians and condemned the decision to build a mosque near the site of the former World Trade Center towers in New York. “Wake up, America... Let's stop the Islamization of America,” he urged.

      How Nassrallah met Nakoula remains unclear. Nakula attended several Coptic churches in the Los Angeles area, including St. George Coptic Orthodox Church in Bellflower.

      “He is not a permanent member of the parish - he appears and disappears,” Serapion noted, adding that he has been collecting information about Nacula by talking to priests of the diocese since the unrest in the Middle East began. - Sometimes he disappeared for several months. We don't know anything about what he does."

      Some of his activities were criminal in nature. He was convicted of drug trafficking in 1997 and of identity theft in 2010. According to court records, Nakula, who operated gas stations in the Hawaiian Gardens area, operated there under a variety of aliases, including Critbag Difrat. He was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and released last summer.
      1. Yarbay
        0
        15 September 2012 13: 15
        Quote: Ataturk
        Nassrallah

        strange name))))
        Familiar))
      2. Evil Tatar
        -1
        15 September 2012 16: 45
        Quote: Ataturk
        “I fled to America with my family because of the violence we suffered for our Christian faith,” Nassrallah wrote on an anti-Islam website last year. “Sheriff Buck needs to be fired and the county government needs to apologize to all those who suffered at the hands of representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood."

        Well?
        Isn’t it clear what the task of provocateurs—the masters of the situation—is?
        All that remains is for Nasral to tell the whole world that the Russian government participated in the financing of the CINEMA...
        And then hordes of vengeful Muslims, carrying out jihad, will pass through the countries of Wed. Asia, taking with them the Alikbeks, Omarovs, Yusupovs, will enter the lands of the hated infidels - Orthodox Christians and their brothers orthodox Muslims deceived by the muftis of Russia, with the aim of tearing out the hearts and cutting off the heads of everyone indiscriminately, and at the same time to see what is left after the murdered, what can useful in the household of a jidai of jihad, a true Muslim...)))))))
        1. Ataturk
          +2
          15 September 2012 22: 05
          Quote: Angry Tatar
          will pass through the countries of Wed. Asia, taking with them Alikbekov, Omarov


          Listen, smart guy, don’t touch my land, but keep yours to yourself. History has shown who always touches whose land. What do you think, we don’t know the story. I am also a victim!!!
    2. Yarbay
      +1
      15 September 2012 12: 48
      Quote: Ataturk
      One of them ran an unknown charity in a sleepy suburb east of Los Angeles. The other was a poor gas station operator who had just been released from prison.
      I liked that you highlighted the most important things in black!
      I am becoming more and more convinced that these are not researchers, as Rumata believes, but precisely infiltrators controlled and carrying out orders from certain forces!!
      Thanks for the help Omar!
      1. 0
        15 September 2012 12: 53
        Quote: Yarbay
        I am becoming more and more convinced that these are not researchers, as Rumata believes, but precisely infiltrators controlled and carrying out orders from certain forces!!

        I am sure that they are provocateurs, this is clear even to a child. But in order to punish them, it is necessary to either make amendments or go to court for a very long time, because from the point of view of the constitution they are no different from other dubious films on the topic of history and religion, that is, they do not violate anything.
        1. Ataturk
          +1
          15 September 2012 13: 12
          Quote: Rumata
          I am sure that they are provocateurs, this is clear even to a child.



          Nihad Awad, executive director of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, criticized the killings and the film. Here's what he said in his message:

          “We call for this ignorant attempt to provoke Muslim religious feelings to be ignored by the Arab world and for its extremist organizers not to get the cheap publicity they so desire.”

          "The creators of this dirty film are not representatives of the American people or the Christian faith. The only correct answer to such deliberate provocations - strengthening attempts to promote mutual understanding between two religions and marginalizing extremists of any type"He said.

          The now "famous" Florida pastor was one of those promoting the film "The Innocence of Muslims," ​​which cost $5 million and was made with non-professional actors. Some of them appear to have had makeup applied to their faces to darken their skin.

          One of those promoting the film was Morris Sadek, head of the National American Coptic Assembly, and Father Terry Jones, leader of a small group known for its extremely anti-Islamic speeches.

          On Tuesday morning, Jones issued a press release blaming Muslims for the protests and said his organization would host a screening of the film's trailer that evening.

          The trailer was part of a one- to two-hour “live broadcast” that Jones hosted from his office in Gainesville on Sept. 11, said Fran Ingram, a spokeswoman for his organization called Rise Up America. The broadcast showed a pastor with a twirling mustache and a black T-shirt reading “Infidel” standing in front of a hanged “devil” wearing a white turban. The organization called this action “the international day of the trial of Muhammad.”

          It was unclear whether Jones, who has gained worldwide attention in recent years with threats to burn the Koran, was "touting the Innocence of Muslims" before the protests began.

          Ingram said she could not comment on whether Jones was in any way involved in the making of the film.
        2. Yarbay
          +1
          15 September 2012 13: 17
          Quote: Rumata
          I am sure that they are provocateurs, this is clear even to a child.

          Then why the hell did you brainwash me?!!
          Tell me honestly, are you all right or are you also alone and have no one to argue with??
          1. -2
            15 September 2012 13: 25
            Quote: Yarbay
            when what horse did you compost my brains?!!
            Tell me honestly, are you all right or are you also alone and have no one to argue with??

            WHAT? I feel like I’m arguing with a 15-year-old child... I didn’t write anywhere that the film is a scientific work. Provocation is a common thing, Dan Brown with his “Da Vinci Code” is a provocateur against Christianity, he made millions from it. He flouts very important dogmas of Catholicism, and no one kills anyone.
            If you are not smart enough to understand what I want to convey, I will explain it in simple terms.
            If the author has not violated the laws of the country, he can write, do and film whatever he wants and strictly don’t care if someone considers it a provocation, and someone considers it a mortal sin.
      2. Ataturk
        0
        15 September 2012 13: 06
        Quote: Yarbay
        Thanks for the help Omar!

        You're always welcome brother. To be continued.

        The producer of a controversial anti-Islamic film is in hiding, fearing reprisals for his work. (GYAHPA, SHARMUTA. Why are you running away like a coward, pad-la) The picture sparked protests in Egypt and led to the death of four Americans in Libya.

        A man calling himself Sam Bacile, an employee of a real estate firm, posted a 13-minute clip online from the film Innocence of Muslims in July, and it became a lightning rod for public opinion when Egyptian media began showing it and a dubbed version of the English-language film appeared on the Internet.

        The film shows the Prophet Muhammad as a complete idiot (Astafullah, they are also surprised), born out of wedlock and composing lines corresponding to his goals and desires for the holy Islamic book. The film also shows him having intimate relationships with women, but at the same time hints that the prophet was gay. But for this, those who are associated with this film should be put on a count!!!

        Any depiction of Muhammad "in flesh and blood" is an insult to Muslims.

        “This is a political movie,” the man, who identified himself as Basile, told The Associated Press, adding that he did not expect such a reaction. "The US has lost a lot of money and people in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we are fighting a war on ideas," he said.

        According to what Basile told several news organizations, he is an Israeli-born Jew, who works for a real estate firm in California. However, his identity still remains something of a mystery. Steve Kline, Basile's collaborator, told the Atlantic Monthly that Basile is actually a pseudonym. His name is not listed in any real estate databases or records, and he is not a licensed real estate agent in California.

        Israeli authorities told The Associated Press they had no information about Basail.

        EVERYTHING IS CONFUSED!!! There's something wrong here.
        1. +1
          15 September 2012 13: 13
          Quote: Ataturk
          Any depiction of Muhammad "in flesh and blood" is an insult to Muslims.

          And eating beef is an insult to Hindus.

          “The West is already living in fear. People are afraid to speak out against the Islamic world. They are afraid of insulting and being punished for insulting the sons of Allah. You can offend Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews. You can slander Catholics, spit on Madonna and Jesus Christ. But woe to him who utters a word against the Islamic religion."
          “You want to see me as an optimist. I am not. The day the Muslim world gains the capacity for self-criticism, when it produces its own Luther or Calvin, then you will be able to tell me: “Fallaci, you were wrong.” And then I accept that Western and Islamic cultures can coexist.”
          Oriana Fallaci
          1. Ataturk
            +1
            15 September 2012 13: 18
            Quote: Rumata
            The West is already living in fear. People are afraid to speak out against the Islamic world. They are afraid of insulting and being punished for insulting the sons of Allah


            Dear, God gave us brains and language so that we could use and be different from animals. Some people use God's gifts for other purposes. Why insult? Why touch Muslims and their sacred things? They don't do that to others. And whoever does this is not a Muslim, even if he pretends to be one. I respect Jesus and Moses. Praise be to them. They both spoke the words of God on earth. How can you insult them? I believe in God and we are all His slaves!

            But the point is different

            I always feel sorry for people
            But... in Libya, thanks to the empire of “good,” more than one thousand children died, who were a little more innocent than the kindest CIA employee who was a part-time US ambassador. In Libya, with the assistance of American elves, tens of thousands of people were brutally tortured in democratic prisons and basements.

            And remembering all this, and looking at the dead piece... (of the American) I want to exclaim WOW!!!!
          2. Yarbay
            +2
            15 September 2012 13: 32
            Quote: Rumata
            You can offend Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews. You can slander Catholics, spit on Madonna and Jesus Christ.

            Rumata just doesn’t need to insult anyone and doesn’t give a damn about anyone, not a Christian, not a Muslim or any other believer!!!!
            If you still don’t understand this, then there’s nothing to talk to you about!
  74. Ataturk
    +2
    15 September 2012 13: 23
    Democracy - in the form that is explained to us, is a very good thing, but people are using it for other purposes. Since there is freedom of speech, should we hit the pride of believers? Of course not!
    1. 0
      15 September 2012 13: 35
      Quote: Ataturk
      Democracy - in the form that is explained to us, is a very good thing, but people are using it for other purposes. Since there is freedom of speech, should we hit the pride of believers? Of course not!

      Believers of what religion? No matter what you do, there will always be a religion, or a movement of it, whose pride you hit. There are people who do not mind killing animals, and Eid al-Fitr for them is like a knife to the heart. And New York on Friday evening is not the most pleasant sight for Jewish believers.
      Who will decide what can be done and what cannot be done? Or is Islam prohibited from insulting, but other religions are allowed? Or should you not insult any religion at all? Then life will become very “fun”
      1. Ataturk
        +4
        15 September 2012 13: 45
        Quote: Rumata
        Or is Islam prohibited from insulting, but other religions are allowed?


        Did I propose to insult other religions? Or supported the insult of other religions? I wrote above that religious people should not be insulted at all. It's personal. PRIVATE! No one has the right to interfere in this private space.
        1. -2
          15 September 2012 14: 07
          Quote: Ataturk
          Did I propose to insult other religions? Or supported the insult of other religions? I wrote above that religious people should not be insulted at all. It's personal. PRIVATE! No one has the right to interfere in this private space.

          Is it forbidden to insult religious people, of any faith? To do this, it is necessary to introduce the strictest censorship, including in Islamic countries, so that God forbid someone in Riyadh offends the Sith or animists... How do you imagine this? This is all a spherical horse in a vacuum; in real life this is not possible. Western society has evolved into something like religious tolerance, and only clear calls for violence are prosecuted by law. But here you burst into someone else’s monastery with your charter, and from another part of the planet, demanding something, threatening and telling us what is possible and what is not...
          1. Yarbay
            0
            15 September 2012 14: 23
            Quote: Rumata
            Is it forbidden to insult religious people, of any faith? To do this, it is necessary to introduce the strictest censorship, including in Islamic countries, so that God forbid someone in Riyadh offends the Sith or animists... How do you imagine this? This is all a spherical horse in a vacuum, in real life this is not possible

            This is how it is in Islamic countries!
            And according to Islamic law, one cannot insult the faith of believers in God!!
            In general, you can’t insult anyone!!
            1. +2
              15 September 2012 14: 34
              Quote: Yarbay
              This is how it is in Islamic countries!
              And according to Islamic law, one cannot insult the faith of believers in God!!
              In general, you can’t insult anyone!!

              No, it is written that this is how it should be. I don't want to start a flood, but there were hundreds of cases of attacks on Christians during the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia, and now the same thing is happening in Syria. That is, when the authorities cannot maintain order, they suddenly begin to desecrate Christian and Jewish graves. Somehow strangely, it turns out that it is not their religion that is holding people back, but the fear of going to prison, that is, the same as in Europe.


              Even the video is

              1. Yarbay
                +2
                15 September 2012 14: 55
                I'm talking about laws!!!
                What you are showing is a crime for which there is punishment in Islamic countries!!
                Is it getting there or does loneliness still require an argument??
                Quote: Rumata
                I don't want to start a flood

                But you're cheating!!
              2. kNow
                +2
                15 September 2012 15: 17
                Quote: Rumata
                but there were hundreds of cases of attacks on Christians during the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia, and now the same thing is happening in Syria.

                don’t forget to add - who lived peacefully and did not conflict on religious grounds for many years.... Maybe you don’t know at whose initiative these events began?
                1. +1
                  16 September 2012 14: 34
                  About living peacefully - you went too far. Oh, how I overdid it. Look at the history of the same Coptic community in Egypt and about their “peaceful” life
    2. Ataturk
      +2
      15 September 2012 13: 41
      BEGAN. IT SEEMES TO ME THIS IS AN AMERICAN STAGE AND PROVOCATION.

      US drones struck the outskirts of Benghazi. Several people were killed.

      In Libya, where Muslims killed the US ambassador, an American drone struck the Al-Buraika area - there were deaths.

      CIA monitoring citing Islamic sources
      https://twitter.com/FlashpointIntel/status/246685710684413952

      that three people were victims of a US drone missile attack in the Al-Buraika area

      https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Al+Burayqah,+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A7
      %D8%AA,+Libya&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=26.627818,28.696289&spn=23.678321,53.569336&sll=1
      3.178445,45.670166&sspn=1.620544,3.348083&oq=libya+al+bur&t=m&hnear=Brega,+Al+Wa
      hah,+Libya&z=5 near Benghazi, where the US consulate was attacked and the American ambassador was killed.

      Afghan mujahideen attack largest US base in retaliation for anti-Islamic film

      According to the Voice of Jihad http://shahamat-english.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17629:s
      horab-airbase-under-revenge-operation&catid=1:news&Itemid=2 dozens of Mujahideen on the evening of September 14, the second largest enemy military base in southern Afghanistan - Shorab Air Force Base in Gerishk district in Helmand province, where tens of thousands of foreign soldiers are stationed, including the prince Welsh Harry. NATO members call this base “Camp Bastion”.

      In the initial stages of the operation, dozens of NATO troops were killed. and several Apache and Chinook fighter planes and helicopters were also destroyed. The military base is engulfed in flames and covered in thick smoke. The operation is still ongoing.

      It should be noted that this operation is part of a campaign of retaliation by the Mujahideen for insulting the Prophet of Islam, and plans have already been drawn up for further strikes throughout the country.

      Meanwhile, Western media write that the base was attacked not by dozens, but by 10 Mujahideen, and that they only managed to penetrate the outer perimeter of the base. According to the NATO command, 2 US Marines were killed and several were wounded during the battle. The Taliban used machine guns, grenade launchers and mortars.

      At the time of publication of the message, the battle at the base continued.

      In turn, British sources confirmed that Prince Harry is at this base and controls the Apache attack helicopter. The British say Harry was not injured and the threat to his life is minimal.

      Western sources recall that the IEA command warned that it would do everything possible to capture or destroy Prince Harry, who came to Afghanistan to fight against Muslims for the second time.
  75. Yarbay
    +2
    15 September 2012 13: 38
    Quote: Rumata
    Or is Islam prohibited from insulting, but other religions are allowed?

    who said that others are possible?? who???
    These are your desires as atheists, to insult and persuade religions and believers!!
    1. -2
      15 September 2012 13: 55
      Quote: Yarbay
      who said that others are possible?? who???
      It is your desires as atheists to insult and persuade religions and believers!!

      So it's impossible? If there is a ban on the Eid al-Fitr ritual, since it hurts the feelings of other religions, will you be for it? I’m already silent about theological insults, Christians believe that God created man in his own image and likeness, and Muslims do not. There are hundreds of examples, rituals and dogmas that offend other religions, and Muslim countries are especially tolerant, compared to Europe or the USA, there is simply a paradise for all faiths. And as soon as another book comes out where Jesus is presented as an alien from Alpha Centauri, will you also protest in the streets?
      Strict censorship of everything related to religions, that would be a lot of fun.
      1. Yarbay
        -1
        15 September 2012 14: 11
        Quote: Rumata
        So it's impossible? If there is a ban on the Eid al-Fitr ritual, since it hurts the feelings of other religions, will you be for it?

        This holiday cannot hurt the feelings of other religions!!
        And if it creates a problem somewhere, it can be easily solved!!
        I don't see a problem with this!!

        Quote: Rumata
        I’m already silent about theological insults, Christians believe that God created man in his own image and likeness, and Muslims do not

        It’s just that you know Islam superficially, so in general you prefer to remain silent or tell horror stories!
        The Koran says in case of disagreement what to do!!
        1. -1
          15 September 2012 14: 46
          Quote: Yarbay
          This holiday cannot hurt the feelings of other religions!!

          How can it be, when you believe in reincarnation and do not accept the killing of animals, regardless of the reasons, what happens during this holiday is a tragedy. This is an example of the fact that there will always be people whose religious feelings you offend. You don’t want to touch Islam, but for the sake of political correctness you add “like all religions,” but this is a utopia, this will never happen, too many things offend religious feelings. For example, if I were working on what I’m working on now, but in Saudi Arabia, I would be condemned, since a huge layer of modern science insults many religions by its very existence...
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            15 September 2012 15: 02
            Quote: Rumata
            when you believe in reincarnation,

            This is not monotheism!!!

            Quote: Rumata
            For example, if I were working on what I'm working on now, but in Saudi Arabia, I would be condemned

            I'm glad you don't work in Saudi Arabia
            Quote: Rumata
            but for political correctness you add “like all religions

            You are mistaken, I meant that all religions recognize one God!
            If you are a hypocrite, this does not mean that everyone else is like that!
            1. 0
              15 September 2012 15: 03
              Yarbay,
              This is a religion, and the conversation was about them... Or are they not monotheistic religions for you, not religions at all?
              1. Yarbay
                -1
                15 September 2012 15: 22
                Quote: Rumata
                This is a religion, and the conversation was about them... Or are they not monotheistic religions for you, not religions at all?

                Let's just say non-monotheistic faiths are pagan religions for me!
                But I still don’t think they should be insulted!
                They must be defeated by the word of God!!
            2. 0
              15 September 2012 15: 21
              Quote: Yarbay
              If you are a hypocrite, this does not mean that everyone else is like that!

              I am not a hypocrite if Muslims are not ready to take into account the opinions of others, including atheists. If the possibility of free expression of opinions and ideologies is not implied, that is, to live as the West has lived for the last 100 years, then this is a threat. A threat to my way of life, work and ideology. If the devil knows where you allow yourself to tell the West what is good and what is bad, based on religion, then nothing peaceful will come of it.
              The fact that you drive a car and access the Internet through a computer, or the fact that most diseases have been defeated is the merit of the scientific and industrial revolutions in Europe, and free-thinking is what these revolutions rested on, how they began
              If we used your logic, and tore out the hearts of Darwin, Watson and Crick, Planck and others, who expressed their opinions and built new theories without looking back at anachronisms such as religions, we would still be driving steam cars and using the telegraph... .
    2. +1
      15 September 2012 14: 24
      I have the right to say what I want about any religion. This is my citizen's rights. Moreover, I would like to see how you both would react to the most anti-Islamic film during the time of Comrade Stalin.
      And then, if it’s so bad for you Muslims in Western civilization, then why are your co-religionists hanging around, in the millions? Live at your place. In place of the United States, it is necessary to remove all embassies from the countries where they were attacked, deport to their homeland the citizens of these countries living in the United States and cover up all economic ties. Nah. such happiness.
      1. +1
        15 September 2012 14: 51
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I have the right to say what I want about any religion. This is my citizen's rights.

        This is exactly what I am trying to convey here. People don’t understand that “Islam prohibits” is never an argument for me, unlike violation of the criminal code, for example.
        1. kNow
          +2
          15 September 2012 15: 14
          Quote: Rumata
          People don’t understand that “Islam forbids” is never an argument for me

          If you have nothing to do with Islam, why are you trying to kick the believers? Can't you just not touch it?
          1. +1
            15 September 2012 15: 27
            Quote: kNow
            If you have nothing to do with Islam, why are you trying to kick the believers? Can't you just not touch it?

            I don’t give a damn, it’s the Muslims who are coming to the West with their own laws. It turns out that I cannot draw a caricature of a historical figure because Islam prohibits it... That is, Islam prohibits something for me, a non-believer? Prohibits what the law of the state allows...
            1. kNow
              +2
              15 September 2012 15: 41
              Quote: Rumata
              It turns out that I cannot draw a caricature of a historical figure because Islam prohibits it... That is, Islam prohibits something for me, a non-believer? Prohibits what the law of the state allows...

              Rumata, I repeat - for every person there is something sacred, and it is not necessarily a religion. Let's say the law does not prohibit drawing caricatures of your parents (sorry) and posting them in the media, freedom of speech, after all, and you will be calm about the fact that your parents will be ridiculed on the street? Hardly...
              This is sacred to you, just like faith is sacred to Muslims...
              1. +1
                15 September 2012 15: 49
                Quote: kNow
                Rumata, I repeat - for every person there is something sacred, and it is not necessarily a religion. Let's say the law does not prohibit drawing caricatures of your parents (sorry) and posting them in the media, freedom of speech, after all, and you will be calm about the fact that your parents will be ridiculed on the street? Hardly...
                This is sacred to you, just like faith is sacred to Muslims...

                I definitely won’t take an ax and hack to death the person who drew this cartoon. If I don’t like it, I will act in the ways provided for by the constitution, that is, through the COURT, and not through SELF-JUDGMENT. The problem is that for many, religious laws are more important than government laws. Christianity, Judaism and other monotheistic religions have already outgrown this, Islam has not. When visitors to Europe solve problems according to Sharia, and not according to the constitution, this is lawlessness and a return to the 13th century, back to the warm hands of the Inquisition, although no longer Christian...
                1. kNow
                  +2
                  15 September 2012 15: 58
                  Quote: Rumata
                  I definitely won’t take an ax and hack the one who drew this cartoon to death.

                  You are not an ordinary person, it turns out
                  Quote: Rumata
                  If I don’t like it, I will act in the ways provided for by the constitution, that is, through COURT, and not through LAMBUL JUDGMENT

                  And if the court says that this is freedom of speech and there is no fault with the journalist? and on the street, meanwhile, the punks continue to poke your parents in the face and laugh? Unfortunately, this is what they do with regard to Muslims. Don't touch a homosexual! personal life, you see, but trash a person’s faith to the fullest - that’s freedom of speech...
                  Quote: Rumata
                  The problem is that for many, religious laws are more important than government laws.

                  In Muslim countries it is the same thing...
                  Quote: Rumata
                  When visitors to Europe solve problems according to Sharia, and not according to the constitution, this is lawlessness and a return to the 13th century, back to the warm hands of the Inquisition, although no longer Christian...

                  Do local laws not apply in Europe? or are they not for visitors? or do visitors themselves choose what laws to live by?
                  The fact is that laws, like culture, education, etc. you have to PLANT it from above.
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2012 16: 06
                    Quote: kNow
                    And if the court says that this is freedom of speech and there is no fault with the journalist?

                    If the court decides that the law was not violated, then I will not do anything. This is a very slippery slope, so I can come up with my own law and live by it, I can even introduce a clause where robbery and violence are not prohibited, but even encouraged.
                    When in Europe, Muslims judge their daughters for sleeping with someone, or their sons for being homosexuals, according to Sharia law, this indicates that they don’t give a damn about the law of the country, that they don’t give a damn about it. If homosexuality is not punished in Europe, it is by law. we will do it according to Sharia... but in Europe...
                    1. kNow
                      +1
                      15 September 2012 16: 14
                      Quote: Rumata
                      Muslims judge their daughters for sleeping with someone, or their sons for being homosexuals, according to Sharia law,

                      Sharia has nothing to do with it at all, every family has its own human laws, in the east they are more severe...
                      Quote: Rumata
                      If the court decides that the law was not violated, then I will not do anything. This is a very slippery slope, so I can come up with my own law and live by it, I can even introduce a clause where robbery and violence are not prohibited, but even encouraged

                      Each person has a certain line that others should not cross. For some this strip is far away, for others it is close...
                      In the Caucasus, people will immediately kill you for mocking your parents (including me), regardless of all the laws...
                      1. +4
                        15 September 2012 16: 26
                        Quote: kNow
                        Each person has a certain line that others should not cross. For some this strip is far away, for others it is close...

                        Well, yes, but for some reason this only works in one direction, that is, when someone from Europe insults your standards, but not the other way around..
                      2. kNow
                        0
                        15 September 2012 16: 29
                        Quote: Rumata
                        but not the other way around...

                        the red line in Europe is too far (well, for me specifically), they allow too much, they themselves allow...
                      3. +2
                        15 September 2012 16: 39
                        Quote: kNow
                        the red line in Europe is too far (well, for me specifically), they allow too much, they themselves allow...

                        Well, they are at home, they can afford what they want. You can build an ideal society for yourself in your country, but going to Europe and telling them how to live is overkill...
          2. +3
            15 September 2012 15: 32
            Why do Muslims, when they move to Christian countries, instead of living according to the rules of everyday life of the autonomous population, begin to dictate their own rules to them: what can they eat, how to dress, what can they say and what can’t?
            1. kNow
              +3
              15 September 2012 15: 46
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Why do Muslims, when they move to Christian countries, instead of living according to the rules of everyday life of the autonomous population, begin to dictate their own rules to them: what can they eat, how to dress, what can they say and what can’t?

              If this happens somewhere, it’s complete idiocy on the part of a visitor. As they say - with your own charter to someone else's monastery. But as far as I can judge from my tower, this happens when the number of visitors reaches a certain point...
            2. Yarbay
              +1
              15 September 2012 15: 49
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Why do Muslims, when they move to Christian countries, instead of living according to the rules of everyday life of the autonomous population, begin to dictate their own rules to them: what can they eat, how to dress, what can they say and what can’t?

              Aron, we need laws to apply in this country and then this won’t happen!
              When I was studying in England, I remember a trial, one of the Pakistanis sued for a fine that the police issued to him, he did not agree and hired expensive lawyers! The court ruled that the fine was excessive because the Pakistani could not put a helmet on his hat, and the hat is part of the national clothing of a Pakistani!!
              That is, it turned out that a Pakistani may not wear a helmet when driving a motorcycle!!
              What does Muslims and Islam have to do with it??
              I remember how much indignation there was after that!
              Who made the decision??
              What for??
              1. -1
                15 September 2012 15: 56
                Quote: Yarbay
                Aron, it is necessary for the laws to apply in this country and then this will not happen

                You can make them (the laws) work like this
                1. kNow
                  +1
                  15 September 2012 16: 02
                  Quote: Rumata
                  You can make them work like this

                  enough to leave you hungry belay
      2. kNow
        +1
        15 September 2012 15: 13
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And then, if it’s so bad for you Muslims in Western civilization, then why are your co-religionists hanging around, in the millions?

        Because they are not allowed to live peacefully on their land.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In place of the United States, it is necessary to remove all embassies from the countries where they were attacked, deport to their homeland the citizens of these countries living in the United States and cover up all economic ties. Nah. such happiness.

        People will only be happy.
        Yankees, go home!
  76. kNow
    +2
    15 September 2012 15: 11
    I look at the murdered American ambassador and feel nothing but gloating. And I don’t feel sorry for his family. The way they treated Gaddafi shocked me deeply.
    And I don’t feel sorry for the Libyans who are killing each other today either. The country had to be defended.
    Regarding anti-Islamic provocations, we must respect the faith. Faith is the core of life, as well as love for family, national identity, etc.
    When someone encroaches on these moral values, the foundations of life collapse, and then only murders, pogroms, etc.
    1. Yarbay
      +1
      15 September 2012 15: 25
      Quote: kNow
      Regarding anti-Islamic provocations, we must respect the faith. Faith is the core of life, as well as love for family, national identity, etc.

      absolutely right! I fully support!!
    2. +1
      15 September 2012 15: 27
      By your logic, Catholics around the world should have attacked British embassies after the release of the rock opera Jesus the Superhero. You don’t like Western civilization, but you are ready to endlessly enjoy its benefits, from electricity and aviation to communications and medicine. Fundamentalism has led the Islamic world to a dead end; only those Islamic countries are developing progressively where religion has been returned from the streets to the mosques. This is Türkiye, Indonesia and, by the way, Azerbaijan.
      As for the demarcation of the West and the South, I am all for it.
      1. kNow
        +1
        15 September 2012 15: 36
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Based on your logic, Catholics around the world should have attacked the British embassies after the release of the rock opera Jesus the Superhero.

        This is a personal matter for Catholics, I will respect their decision and will condemn those who provoke them into conflict.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        You don’t like Western civilization, but you are ready to endlessly enjoy its benefitsranging from electricity and aviation to communications and medicine.

        For God's sake, there was a time when the east was head and shoulders above the west in all respects. And it was the West that threw them back into the Middle Ages...
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Fundamentalism has led the Islamic world to a dead end

        Fundamentalism in the east is IMPOSED by the western world. Look up the history of any radical movement and you will see who created them.
        For example, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. And this radicalism is not directed against the West, but precisely against the East.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Only those Islamic countries are developing progressively where religion has been returned from the streets to the mosques. This is Türkiye, Indonesia and, by the way, Azerbaijan.

        These are countries that do not violate the rules of the game imposed by the West and at the state level direct radicalism against Russia and China.
        I will exclude Azerbaijan from this list, radicalism is a danger for us too.
  77. -1
    15 September 2012 15: 25
    It starts ...
  78. 0
    15 September 2012 18: 35
    Well, what can I say, what the United States fought for, that’s what they ran into! I admit that this could have been a planned provocation, but they turned it out too badly. The Arabs themselves are quite friendly people, but if you offend their culture and traditions, jihad is inevitable. The policy of spreading democracy against the will of others was a failure in its infancy. They go against their own principles and norms of democracy: every people has the right to self-determination. But they seem to care only about oil and the government of puppets, who will sell it for pennies at the first word and lick the United States’ ass.
  79. Feroma
    0
    15 September 2012 19: 42
    I’m wondering if this is a planned action, then by whom, who benefits from it? I don't think the Republicans had a hand in this. On the other hand, although there was some satisfaction from what he saw, all that remained was for Lavrov to say his “wow” in response to Clinton’s “wow” when she looked at Gaddafi, although everyone knows that Lavrov will say something politically indiscriminate, soft, useless opinion of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs RF.
  80. Sleptsoff
    0
    15 September 2012 20: 02
    Well, the US provocation was a success, a provocation that will slightly distract the attention of the public and the media from Syria, and in the meantime the US will carry out its dark deeds there. As for the murders of US citizens, the public simply needed to be shocked (remember September 11, 2001), so they sacrificed several pawns, and besides, there is information that Obama knew about the attack on the embassy. As for the bearded men, they are quick-witted people; they will honk their horn and calm down, for the first time I guess.
    1. +1
      15 September 2012 22: 14
      Sleptsoff
      They are easy-going, but I wonder why they won’t calm down in the North Caucasus?
  81. 0
    15 September 2012 22: 09
    Quote from Sleptsoff
    Well, the US provocation was a success...



    Frankly, I would not say that this is a provocation. Um, strategists are not so idiotic as to hit a beehive with a stick. It seems to me that this is the cost of Western democracy - the crappy freedom to speak, write, show anything without thinking about the consequences.
  82. Ataturk
    +1
    15 September 2012 22: 16
    Quote: crambol
    Um, strategists are not the kind of people to hit a beehive with a stick.

    Their whole story is built on provocation. All their wars are based on provocations. They did everything to make Japan go to war against them. They covered their own ship and told everyone that it was a Vietnamese submarine that rammed it; they themselves blew up the Twin Towers on September 11, so that they could then attack Iraq and Afghanistan. For many Americans in hell, luxury rooms are already ready!!! No right to appeal. There is nothing human about them.
    1. 0
      15 September 2012 22: 22
      Quote: Ataturk
      There is nothing human about them.

      In all 350?
      1. Ataturk
        0
        15 September 2012 22: 33
        Quote: Rumata
        In all 350?


        I'm talking about the top and their gang.
    2. +2
      16 September 2012 02: 22
      Mr. Azerbaijani, my opinion as a person raised by a grandmother, the daughter of a Cossack centurion, is that hundreds of wolves (Siberia, Mongolia, the Caucasus, Poland) will never allow Muslims to create their own Sharia civilization, the Muslim world wants too much, where blood and life are just a ritual of sacrifice,
      every time the bearded men make sacrifices, their territories will be thrown back into the Middle Ages, such is your fate until you grow up
  83. +2
    15 September 2012 22: 25
    This is how they protest in a civilized society -
    http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2012/09/15/nazeret/
  84. Dimych from Vanino
    0
    15 September 2012 23: 11
    It seems to me that this is a reason to occupy Libya.....And stick a couple of bases......No more.
  85. 0
    15 September 2012 23: 23
    The Americans have shit themselves once again, but for some reason it’s not joyful... In this case, I really want to hope that the “puppeteers” are our Foreign Intelligence Service, and not the Chinese special services or the Amers themselves... the Arabs are like children - “either ours or yours"... somehow everything is very simple, if you take banal loot for the catalyst... and it’s very interesting what’s actually happening...
  86. +1
    16 September 2012 00: 19
    Very informative thread and discussions.
    And where should a peasant go? Just look, you won’t sit like that, you won’t whistle like that.

    Mods, can you kill this thread of theology and lectures? And then the temperature of the atmosphere is already rising.
    I am a very tolerant person, but something is already getting to me. Too much.
  87. AlexMH
    +2
    16 September 2012 15: 01
    For the Scripture says, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
  88. 0
    16 September 2012 15: 33
    I hope to see Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton in this situation in the near future. She deserves it.
  89. 0
    16 September 2012 22: 34
    And the old woman is proruha laughing , we are waiting for the banquet to continue. How grateful the whole world is to the UWB for their tireless care for the peoples of the whole earth.
  90. mongoose
    0
    17 September 2012 08: 04
    cough-cough the Korans say tourniquet? no wonder, this is just the beginning
    PRISTINA. Church of St. Archangel Michael in Shtimla (Kosovo and Metohija) was recently desecrated and robbed, the Official website of the Serbian Orthodox Church and the French portal "Orthodoxie" report, citing information received in the Rasko-Prizren diocese of the Serbian Church.

    The diocese called the act of vandalism “one of the largest attacks on Serbian Orthodox shrines committed in recent years.”

    Restoration of the church, which dates back to the beginning of the 2005th century, began in 1999 after the temple suffered serious damage between 2004 and 2009. Restoration of the temple accelerated in 75, thanks to financial support from UNESCO (000 euros) .

    Police have already arrested four Albanians suspected of desecrating an Orthodox church. In particular, the faces of the saints on the frescoes of the temple were defaced, and the carcass of a dead dove was placed in the middle of the altar throne, where the relics of the saints are placed during its consecration.

    The communiqué of the Rasko-Prizren diocese regarding the act of vandalism against the Shtimla temple emphasizes: “No society can hope for a better future if the destruction of the religious and cultural heritage, which is the foundation of European civilization, continues.”
    1. +1
      17 September 2012 15: 35
      Quote: mongoose
      PRISTINA. Church of St. Archangel Michael in Shtimla (Kosovo and Metohija) was recently desecrated and robbed, the Official website of the Serbian Orthodox Church and the French portal "Orthodoxie" report, citing information received in the Rasko-Prizren diocese of the Serbian Church.

      Tell this to Alibeks and others like them, who are sure that Muslims will die before they desecrate shrines... When someone makes a film about Islam, there is a pain all over the planet, and when churches are burned, these are isolated cases, criminals who have no nothing to do with Islam. Some double standards are emerging
      1. -1
        17 September 2012 17: 00
        Uv. Rumata as Ataturk writes
        ... in Azerbaijan, family is sacred, it’s not even discussed. Further, after the Karabakh problem, in our country love for the country, patriotism are being promoted in the harshest form; God forbid, the desecration of anything related to our country, this is also severely punished. Just Karish if you don't respect yourself, its faith its religion its country, others will begin to desecrate it. And when you start making noise, then they calm down. а rest - pagans (almost not people), I will ruin your life to another person, but my do not touch.
        1. -1
          17 September 2012 17: 14
          Quote: evgen762
          It’s just Karish, if you don’t respect yourself, your faith, your religion, your country, others will begin to desecrate it. And when you start making noise, then they calm down. and the rest are pagans (almost not people), I’ll ruin another person’s life, but don’t touch what’s mine.

          Pagans are almost not people according to him? Did I understand this correctly? Do you agree with him?
  91. +3
    17 September 2012 11: 39
    Not a single icon or holy thing is worth the lives of people, especially the lives of children. What the hell is UNESCO, when in the same Syria they hang children, kill them in hundreds, thousands, kill them along with their families, because they are a little different from Muslims (and I don’t need to attribute sympathy for them, because of two evils I choose the lesser), or oh Lord, Christians in general... Where does a person pray more sincerely? In a falling plane or a church, even the most sophisticated one with shrines of epic artifacts? Christianity has God's Word, aka the Bible. Worship of any object is a sin and an abomination, for it is idolatry. Church is not where people gather, but those who gather, everything else is from the evil one...
  92. orfo
    0
    17 September 2012 21: 28

    there will be a bigger photo
  93. +1
    18 September 2012 20: 43
    80s Afghanistan Americans actively help the Taliban, considering them fighters for freedom and democracy, ten years later, freedom fighters are declared terrorists and enemies after the attack on the US embassies and September 11. More
    after 10 years, the terrorists again become fighters for freedom and democracy, the Americans are again actively helping them, now again the fighters for democracy are attacking the US Embassy, ​​the next move is for the Americans, if they have not changed their rules, someone will soon be unlucky.