Norway will write off all F-16 fighters by the end of the year and sell them to another country

At the moment, the Norwegian Air Force is in service with 31 F-35A aircraft, and within four years it will receive another 24. Therefore, Norway decided that it did not need fighters of previous generations: by the end of the year, Oslo will write off all its F-16 fighters and sell them other country.

The Norwegian Ministry of Defense has decided this year to decommission all of its 57 F-16AM / BM Fighting Falcon fighters from the Luftforsvaret (Royal Norwegian Air Force).

Oslo intends to sell the decommissioned planes to Romania, because now the Norwegian military can afford to get rid of them. Moreover, Bucharest has previously expressed a desire to acquire at least two squadrons of such fighters.

After the decommissioning of the F-16 aircraft, the Royal Norwegian Air Force will be armed with only one type of fighter - the F-35A. The delivery of more than fifty state-of-the-art military aircraft worth $ XNUMX billion is the largest defense procurement in stories of this Scandinavian country.

Earlier it was reported that from 2025, Norway plans to start replacing its 32 tanks Leopard 2A4NO. Possible replacement options are the German Leopard 2A7 or the South Korean K2 Black Panther.

The Norwegian army became the owner of the Leopard 2A4 tanks in 2001, when these combat vehicles were bought from the Netherlands and modernized at Norwegian enterprises.

Comments

[Jcvai]

How successful it is: just the Yusovites should adjust the 16s instead of 35x to the Turks. Once they rule 16e instead of 35x, then used ones will come in instead of new ones.

[Orange bigg]

Americans say they don't owe anything.

Washington has denied the words of Recep Erdogan that the United States made an offer to Turkey on the supply of F-16 fighters instead of the F-35 paid by the Turkish side. Earlier, Ankara was excluded from the production program of the latter in response to the purchase by the Turks of the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in 2019.

According to Reuters, on Sunday October 17, the Turkish president announced a US offer to sell fourth-generation F-16 light fighters to Turkey in exchange for investment in the fifth-generation F-35 fighter-bombers program. However, the Americans did not confirm the words of the Turkish leader.

I can say that the United States did not make any proposals to Turkey about financing the sale of the F-16. The Ministry of Defense continues to participate in the mechanism for resolving disputes with Turkey over the F-35, their outcome is impossible to predict

- clarified during the briefing the official representative of the US State Department Ned Price.

https://topcor.ru/22241-ssha-oprovergli-slova-jerdogana-o-postavkah-f-16-vmesto-oplachennyh-f-35.html

[Alex777]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Americans say they don't owe anything.

And here it is very interesting - what will Erdogan do now?
In theory, the United States has already charted a course: alliances with reliable ones.
AUKUS and all the cases. Afghan and other left-wing topics are not needed.
Erdogan somehow does not fit into reliable allies.

[Sergey3]

Close the entrance of American warships to the Black Sea, or rather, on the contrary, launch a couple and close them there forever, and let the Black Sea Fleet aviation work on them until the end of the century.

[Alex777]

Quote: Sergey3

Close the entrance of American warships to the Black Sea

Everything is more complicated. The Turks will never do that -
Well this is a declaration of war on the States. It is unreasonable.
And this is how they will now try and bird
eat and not choke on a bone - interesting.

[Bat]

Quote: Alex777

Everything is more complicated. The Turks will never do that -

When you throw a Turk on the loot, they are capable of anything. They can buy planes from Russia, they can close their base, they can block access to the Black Sea and send them 3 letters to all their NATO showdowns and change the orientation, and then the United States will not seem like a little. And Erdogan is capable of this.

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

When you throw a Turk on the loot, they are capable of anything.

There is such a topic: everything must be done on time. It is too early.
Otherwise, the United States and the EU will impose sanctions and Erdogan will not.

[Tony fergusson]

The Gulf countries are not NATO members, but the US attitude towards them is incomparably better than towards Turkey.
They sell them without any problems and F-15 and F-18 and F-35 agreed for the UAE

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

When you throw a Turk on the loot, they are capable of anything.

Judging by today's events, you know the Turk better than me.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan instructed the Foreign Ministry to declare ambassadors of 10 countries at once, including the United States, Germany and France, persona non grata. Earlier, diplomats called for the release of human rights activist Osman Kavala, whom Ankara accuses of involvement in the coup attempt.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Is it possible that happiness will ruin Ukraine too? They agree to "buy" ... free planes!

[Alex777]

It's all past the Square.
Another weight category.

[singless]

buy for rubles

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Alex777

Erdogan somehow does not fit into reliable allies.

This means that Incirlik will lose their base.

[Bat]

"Now negotiations on this topic (purchase of the F-16 - ed.) Are at a low level. But we own 1,4 billion dollars (paid for the F-35) one way or another we get. Our Ministry of Defense will hold talks with American colleagues in the coming days. I believe that we will be able to get closer. We will of course discuss this topic with (US President Joe) Biden in Rome at the G20 Summit. We will not allow our rights to be violated in any way, "Erdogan told Turkish journalists on the plane, returning from a trip to African countries.

https://ria.ru/20211021/peregovory-1755589447.html

[Bat]

Quote: OrangeBigg

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How do you imagine that 1.4 lard will be thrown at Erdogan? You think you can throw it, but what is it, the Turks love loot and fuck them. Another question is, why would they buy American planes?

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

How do you imagine that 1.4 lard will be thrown at Erdogan?

If you look closely: Erdogan has already been thrown.
And the idea to buy something, and say that there, in the price, were
1,4 lard $ - the only way to "save face".
Let Biden do it or not - that is the question.

[Bat]

Quote: Alex777

If you look closely, Erdogan has already been thrown.

In part, you're right. Anyone in the place of the United States would do this, and anyone in the place of Turkey would also buy the S-400. Question what's next? So the fool will mow and will not return the loot? Can this really be done with Turkey? I doubt it very much.

Yes, they will wait until the end for Turkey to get rid of the S-400 and Turkey at the end will say, keep your f35 and f16 with you. Just buy Sushki or Chinese. Everything. But if it comes to that, then the base will be closed to the Americans and much more.

and finally quarreling with Turkey is not very beneficial for the United States.

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

Can this really be done with Turkey? I doubt it very much.

Yes, they did it already.

Yes, they will pull until the end so that Turkey gets rid of the S-400

Exactly. They will pull because Erdogan is not eternal.

Quote: Yarasa

Turkey will say at the end, keep yours and f35 and f16 with you. Just buy Sushki or Chinese. Everything.

Will not tell. Unfortunately. And he won't buy. He cannot.
A time of confusion and uncertainty has now come.
All the rules that were there before do not work.

[Bat]

Quote: Alex777

Will not tell. Unfortunately. And he won't buy. He cannot.

Did you buy the S-400? And what will prevent you from buying Sushki? By the way, are there Dryers with AFAR?

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

Did you buy the S-400? And what will prevent you from buying Sushki? By the way, are there Dryers with AFAR?

I bought the S-400 because I was defending myself against a coup.
By the way, who oversaw the coup during the Obama era?
At least - Democrats, and at most - Biden ...
Then Trump came and Erdogan thought he would settle it.
But so far, alas, he has not succeeded in resolving anything.
To buy dryers means: problems today, airplanes in a few years. There will be many problems: training, logistics, and departure from NATO.
Do not doubt that if Turkey buys dryers, it will fly out. This is real politics, not fantasy.

By the way, are there Dryers with AFAR?

I have not heard of such people being sold abroad.

[Bat]

Quote: Alex777

Do not doubt that if Turkey buys dryers, it will fly out. This is real politics, not fantasy.

But what about Turkey in NATO? What is the reason if such an attitude? What is the plus for them in this? Some humiliation and scam.

[Alex777]

Quote: Yarasa

Quote: Alex777

Do not doubt that if Turkey buys dryers, it will fly out. This is real politics, not fantasy.

But what about Turkey in NATO? What is the reason if such an attitude? What is the plus for them in this? Some humiliation and scam.

Are you seriously? As simple as the corner of a house.
While the hegemon was strong, he did not bend his vassals too much.
As he weakens a little, he pushes on in full.
And because it can, and because Turkey is no exception here. They all have the same thing.
Look at Australia!
You have money? So we are coming to you!
Threat Canada miraculously got out of AUKUS.
Doesn't want to quarrel with China. So far I have succeeded ...

[Alex777]

By the way - you have information for thought.
On the borders of Erdogan's freedom. Intricate.
https://topcor.ru/22253-nato-stoit-na-poroge-grazhdanskoj-vojny.html?yrwinfo=1634927723060460-3491820710818721652-sas5-9946-38a-sas-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-9123

[Tony fergusson]

The Su-57 has

[Alex777]

And no one will sell them.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Yarasa

Another question is, why would they buy American planes?

Probably because the Turkish Air Force consists of American aircraft ....

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: JcVai

How successful it is: just the Yusovites should adjust the 16s instead of 35x to the Turks. Once they rule 16e instead of 35x, then used ones will come in instead of new ones.

.Turks need new planes.
Buyer for Norwegian F-16 is Ukraine

Quote: OrangeBigg

Americans say they don't owe anything.

Turks invested $ 1,4 billion in the F-35 program

The Turks offered the United States to supply the F-16 in exchange for these payments

Turkey has asked the US to buy 40 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters and nearly 80 upgrade kits for its existing combat aircraft

Then Erdogan changed his shoes and said that it was "the United States offered to compensate for the costs in the f-35 program with the supply of F-16

Quote: OrangeBigg

https://topcor.ru/22241-ssha-oprovergli-slova-jerdogana-o-postavkah-f-16-vmesto-oplachennyh-f-35.html

as always misinterpreted. Actually like this:

QUESTION:

Ned, so regarding Turkey, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that the United States has offered to sell F-16 fighters to Turkey. A request was recently sent that you guys didn't comment on, but it was sent - in exchange for Turkey's investment in the F-35 program. So, can you confirm the president's comments that it was indeed this proposal that came from the United States?

US State Department spokesman Ned Price:

Let me say that, as a matter of general policy, and you know this, Humeira, the department does not endorse or comment on proposed defense sales or transfers until they have been formally notified by Congress. As for Turkey, we value very much our partnership with our NATO ally Turkey. It is an important NATO ally. We have long-standing and deep bilateral ties, and maintaining Turkey's interoperability with NATO remains a priority.

Now when it comes to the issue you raised, I will say that we stay - I would say, Ministry of Defense - Continues consultations with Turkey to resolve disputes with the F-35 - Dispute resolution. Turkish officials have publicly acknowledged their interest in buying F-16 aircraft. We would like to refer you to the Turkish government - the Turkish government to discuss its defense procurement plans. What I can say is that the United States did not make any financial proposals for Turkey's request for the F-16.

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[knn54]

You can afford it as long as oil and gas are available.

[Egor53]

Oil and gas production in Norway is declining by 7-10% per year. And absolutely everything has been explored in Norway. In 10-15 years Norway will buy oil and gas.

[voyaka uh]

Do you know that oil and gas revenues do not go to the Norwegian budget at all?
Everything goes to a special fund. Who invests in industries around the world.

[Bat]

Quote: voyaka uh

Do you know that oil and gas revenues do not go to the Norwegian budget at all?

Yes you are right. There is already a trillion chtoli in the oil fund. They don't need these grandmothers. They just accumulate.

[Tony fergusson]

Save up for unforeseen situations

[Flanker692]

All right? Industrial reserves of 1,6 billion tons, prospective for production of another 4 billion tons. In total, in theory, up to 16 billion tons. 70-90 million tons are mined per year. All horror stories and similar news are based on what will happen without investments in production after 2040 and are needed in order to get good loans from the government for all this. After that, read what will happen in 2040-2050 with Russian production without investments in exploration.
Well, then compare how they manage their oil money and how we:

Norway's State Pension Fund - Global, also known as the Oil Fund, was established in 1990 to invest surplus revenues from the Norwegian oil sector. As of 2021, the fund owns stakes in 9 companies in 202 countries of the world, the value of its assets is just over $ 74 trillion (1,3 trillion kr), which is approximately 12% of the global stock market, making it the largest in world by the National Welfare Fund [1,5] [1] [2] As of November 3, the fund for every Norwegian citizen accounted for about 2020 kr or $ 2

The NWF of the Russian Federation, created for the same purposes, for 13 years amounted to slightly less than $ 200 billion. despite the fact that oil production is almost 7 times higher, and despite the fact that in 2018 it merged with the Reserve Fund into one mega-fund and before these events amounted to 60 billion, having fallen from the peak of 2011 by 40 billion. In the future, without oil, right now I put would rather be on them.

[Rubi0]

You are comparing numbers without understanding the point. In the Russian Federation, it is forbidden to invest and inject money even into its economy if the fund is less than the 7% of GDP, this level was reached only this year and the first trillion went to the railway, to purchase their aircraft for civilians, that is, only money was spent on the development of the economy ... So what Norway started doing 30 years ago, then the Russian Federation only this year

[Mountain shooter]

The rich have their own quirks ...

[askort154]

Norway will write off all F-16 fighters by the end of the year and sell them to another country.

Zelensky has already gone with a hat, between the rows in the Rada.

[Prisoner]

Will not pull. Perhaps it will scrape on a plywood biplane. And it will steal.

[askort154]

Prisoner ...Will not pull. Perhaps it will scrape on a plywood biplane. And it will steal.

They won't pull a squadron, but one without a resource, they will scrape together. The main thing is that the American "cool" F-16 is listed in the Ukrainian Air Force.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Since Romanians buy old stuff from Norwegians, where will they push their even older old stuff (if any)?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

Since Romanians buy old stuff from Norwegians, where will they push their even older old stuff (if any)?

The Romanians have only 12 F-16AMs (delivery from the USA), the rest of the combat aircraft are 36 MiG-21s, so the Romanians themselves have no time for fat ... the F-16s drunk by the Norwegians will most likely go to replace the MiG-21 ...

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: askort154

Zelensky has already gone with a hat, between the rows in the Rada.

No, in the Rada all beggars, and they are very busy, they will rip off pensions, salaries, social programs ..

[Orange bigg]

Wow. Sex in the workplace in the Verkhovna Rada.

[askort154]

OrangeBigg ....Wow. Sex in the workplace in the Verkhovna Rada.

Duck in the EU and NATO are torn, and there is now such sex in high esteem. So they are practicing the technique.

[gurzuf]

Right now! They need a gift! They are at the forefront and are holding back the Russian hordes!

[Egor53]

Not with a hat, but with a bale.

[oldzek]

and if for yourself?

[Morglenn]

Are they in too much of a hurry? And isn't there a need for a reserve?

[Avior]

Their reserve is NATO. It makes no sense to keep the planes more than the current need for patrolling and so on. Alone, they are still not going to wage a full-scale war with anyone.

[Rusnemez]

In my opinion, someone smelled the smell of Gesheft, give a 404 loan with the return of money, resources or "lease" of land ... and shove out the outdated and, moreover, F 16 + part of the support with spare parts from the warehouses. Brilliant !!!

404 recently shouted that they want Western planes for themselves.
They gave them troughs written off in the fleet and even managed to sell the icebreaker, you look so much more from the trash.

[KTM-5]

And the skakuas go and have already dreamed of what they WILL BE GIFTED ...

[evgen1221]

Chuchtvuyu from this news, the buns from chamber 404 amicably shower the Vikings with requests to give them mafinka

[Egor53]

Norway doesn't need fighters at all. As soon as the gas runs out, and it will be in 10-15 years, they will grow salmon in cages. And they will become from one of the richest countries in Western Europe to a small, regional and poor state.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Norway is simply obliged to help Ukraine. This is the sacred duty of the European "brotherhood"! Of course, someone will laugh at my appeal, but let's think soberly. Namely: the cost of gasoline in Ukraine is higher than in Russia. Gas cost is higher. But I did not hear that there was a fuel crisis on the Square and everyone switched to bicycles.
Conclusion: there is potential. The price of $ 1200 for gas is acceptable and quite acceptable.
Second conclusion: Ukraine buys weapons. That is, there is money. There is money for armaments, which means there will be money for energy resources, in the range of 1200-1600 dollars. Our former "brothers" can be reassured - the Americans are selling for 2000 bucks. So, chubaty - lucky, fabulous.

[vitinka]

interesnaja armija! Samolotov bolse cem tankov ....

[Greyhound famously]

Here it is worth considering the cost of a flight hour and the operation of the 5th generation resins. Therefore, it does not seem reasonable to liquidate the fleet of earlier models, which perform 90% of the current tasks at a much lower cost. The same USA not only does not leave the aircraft of the previous generation, but also transfers some of the functions (the same patrolling) in general to turboprop aircraft like the Embraer Super Tucano. I am sure the Norwegians understand this well, which means that this is not a question of logic, but of politics. but that's their business. If they want to pay, let them pay.

[Flanker692]

Something was lost somewhere .. Embraer Super Tucano is not in service with the Air Force, and other US services do not have it either. They are bought to provide the simplest aviation to third countries, supported by the United States. All rare A-29 aircraft seen with USAF insignia - for transfer to third countries in the near future and for training pilots of these countries. Nobody will seriously say that the Mi-8, purchased for Afghanistan, will go into service with the USAF?

[voyaka uh]

Maintaining different types of aircraft is more expensive than the total cost per flight hour of one type.

[ugol2]

And I really thought it was a sinful thing that in 404 the old ones will go

[babylon]

Most likely the buyer is Ukraine

[Butchcassidy]

24 tanks are direct power.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: ButchCassidy

24 tanks are direct power.

You read the article inattentively.

Currently in service with the Norwegian Air Force is 31 aircraft F-35A, and within four years it will receive 24 more.

Thus, it turns out 31 + 24 =55 and not tanks but combat aircraft of the 5th generation... in all the Russian Aerospace Forces there is not a single 5th generation aircraft in service ...
In the entire 45th Air Force and Air Defense Army covering our North, there will not be 55 4th generation air defense fighters ...

[Butchcassidy]

Well, yes, there are 32 tanks, but what difference does that make?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Well, yes, there are 32 tanks, but what difference does that make?

It changes the fact that your goal here is a comment (including off-topic), and not a discussion of the article with good forum users ...

[75 Sergey]

Ukraine is the first in line.

[Tony fergusson]

To the Baltic states

[Nikolay Sayenko]

I guess who will be shoved ...

[Glagol1]

2 squadrons to Romania, the rest to Ukrainians. On the cheap, so that the navel is not torn. They have a rejection of everything Soviet.

[Lyman1982]

Pfff 25 f35 in the Russian Federation there is a whole su57, though it does not fly temporarily so that the creator does not fall in defense, when there are such articles about us that they wrote off all su27 and bought 50 su57, sofa specialists let's go fart and minus

[Ros 56]

I even suspect to whom. But, it's troublesome.

[Metallurg_2]

Sell ​​to the Sumerians.