MRK "Karakurt": Small ships for big problems of the enemy

The construction of a ship, in the terminology of the shipbuilders themselves, begins with the so-called "curved bed". This is a large metal structure, from which the creation of future ships, boats and auxiliary vessels for the domestic fleet.

Currently, our country is undergoing a large-scale modernization of the Navy. And among other things, the construction of small rocket ships is being carried out. For example, a large-scale project is currently being implemented to equip the country's Navy with Karakurt MRKs related to project 22800. In total, it is planned to commission 18 such combat units for various fleets of the Russian Navy. At least three "Karakurt" have already been commissioned.

Small missile ships of this project, despite being classified as "small", are a formidable force at sea. This is due, among other things, to equipping the Karakurt with powerful tactical missile weapons in the form of Caliber cruise missiles. At one time, the precise use of these missiles from the Caspian waters against terrorist targets in Syria made a considerable impression, including on the international community. At the first stage, they fired from other carriers, but after that it became clear that the "Caliber" could turn any of the carriers into a combat unit capable of much.

Small ships for big enemy challenges.

The capabilities of the project 22800 RTOs to attack targets at sea, on land and in the air, as well as the stages of their construction and commissioning, are described in detail in the Military Acceptance issue at the Zvezda shopping center:

Comments

[Cool but not Igor]

In the absence of destroyers and frigates, all that remains is to be content with corvettes and RTOs and look for consolation in them.

[Barberry25]

it is better to have 3-5 RTOs per year than 1 destroyer every 10 years ..

[Vdi73]

It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

[TermNachTer]

It is better to have both destroyers and RTOs))) but if it is difficult with large ships now, you have to make do with what you have.

[Barberry25]

usually dance from the wall) so let's start with the RTO

[Sergey39]

There remains an open question about the effective use of such ships with frigate missile weapons, in the basins of the Baltic and Black Seas, under the canopy of coastal air defense, and not frigates and destroyers intended for the distant sea zone.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Sergey39

There remains an open question about the effective use of such ships with frigate missile weapons, in the basins of the Baltic and Black Seas, under the canopy of coastal air defense, and not frigates and destroyers intended for the distant sea zone.

I support, it is they, in my opinion, who must free all the frigates and the cruiser to the oceans to protect the bases of the nuclear

[Snail N9]

The ship is a platform for weapons and controls and guidance. The larger the ship, the more stable and spacious this platform is. Accordingly, the more tasks and the longer the time and at a greater distance the ship can carry out, respectively, it is more resistant to damage. In fact, corvettes and small ships are not cheaper, because more of them are needed due to the fact that they have less autonomy and limited resources for conducting hostilities at a shorter cruising range. That is, they need frequent rotation in the area, in comparison with ships of larger displacement. At the same time, they are generally not able to carry some means of monitoring the situation and weapons due to the limited internal volumes and oversaturation of equipment.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Snail N9

The larger the ship, the more stable and spacious this platform is. Accordingly, the more tasks and the longer the time and at a greater distance the ship can carry out, respectively, it is more resistant to damage.

in general, the MRK was an attempt to bypass the drmsd, surface ships on closed seas are needed in limited quantities, less than there are now, now almost everything is decided by coastal means and coastal aviation, ..... you are right about the oceans, which I am writing about that the frigates and the cruiser are there, it is wrong to apply everything that you wrote to the seas, do not take into account the situation, there are no large distances about which you write there, the funds absent on the ship are present on the coast and on the aircraft, and mobility is carried out only through the GDP, which imposes restrictions on the size, Why did you decide that instead of a large ship, you "have" to make many small ones? the reality is that there is little money and there are a lot of small ships, and a couple of large ones in general in 5 years, and not all shipyards can make large ships, so there will be no more of them

[hostel]

Gold words. On my own I will add that on VO this has already been considered in articles. And it indicates that a twofold increase in the ship's displacement leads to a threefold increase in combat capabilities, precisely due to the fact that the internal volume of the ship is increasing

[mvg]

Are there frigates in the Baltic? There is a half-dead 956 and that's it. And RTOs are not needed at all, in no other fleet of the world they no longer lay such a highly specialized squalor.
No air defense, no radar, no PLO. Just a barge plus 8 dash 16 Gauges.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: mvg

Does the Baltic have frigates?

Yaroslav the Wise and Undaunted,

[mvg]

Watchdogs. Not frigates. Frigates 22350, 11356 and one 1155 after the installation of shock weapons. These ships are old, without reasonable air defense and anti-aircraft defense. Like RTOs .. only "worse"

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: mvg

These ships are old, without reasonable air defense and anti-aircraft defense. Like RTOs .. only "worse"

Well, it's not worse for sure, and not so old, (Ladny Pytlivy frigates are older), according to performance characteristics, a typical frigate 1 x 1 - 100 mm AK-100
Missile armament 2 x 4 PU anti-ship missiles "X-35"
4 x 8 PU "Dagger"
2 x ZRAK "Dagger"
Anti-submarine armament 2 x 3 - 533 mm TA,
1 x RBU-6000,
2 x "Waterfall-NK"
Aviation group 1 helicopter "Ka-27" in the deck hangar
3950 t (standard)
4350 t (full)
Length 117,2 m (on design waterline)
129,8 m (largest)
Width 14,2 m (on design waterline)
15,6 m (largest)
Draft 4,8 m (midships)
8,35 m (overall bulb)
Engines Two-shaft gas turbine - 2 propulsion gas turbines and 2 afterburner gas turbines with a total capacity
Power 37 000 l. With. (marching GTU) + 20 l. With. (afterburning GTU)
Speed ​​29 knots (full)
18 Knots (Economic)

[Vladimir1155]

General detection radar MR-750 "Fregat-M2", radar electronic warfare MP-405-1 (Inaccessible - TK-25), navigation radar MR-212 "Vaygach", GAK armament Project 11540, code "Yastreb" MGK-365 "Zvezda- M1 ", BIUS" Tron-11540 ", MCRTs" Coral "(Inaccessible), NK" Beysur ", space communications complex" Centaur "(Inaccessible), communications complex R-782" Buran "
Electronic warfare PK-16 complex (2 PU KL-101) - rounds AZ-TST-60, AZ-TSP-60UM (since 1991), AZ-TSTM-60U (since 1994)
Electronic warfare complex PK-10 "Brave" (8 launchers KT-216) - rounds AZ-SO-50, AZ-SR-50, AZ-SOM-50, AZ-SK-50 (since 1991), AZ-SMZ-50 (since 1993) The latest generation of sonar weapons for surface ships is represented by sonar systems of the Zvezda system [113, 115]. Their creation was aimed at re-equipping anti-submarine surface ships of different displacement with new SACs with a range exceeding the range of action of the existing hydroacoustic weapons on ships by 2-5 times. SJSC "Zvezda-1" - for anti-submarine ships of the SKR type with a submarine detection range of 25-30 km, SJSC "Zvezda-2" - for anti-submarine ships of the BOD type with a submarine detection range of 60 km, SJSC "Zvezda-3" - for anti-submarine ships large displacement with a submarine detection range of 120 km. Thus, the modifications of the SAC correspond to three classes of hydroacoustic systems, the energy potentials of which provide access to the potentially possible target detection ranges, which are due to the acoustic properties of the marine environment. An increase in the energy potential of the Zvezda system is associated with an increase in the dimensions of hydroacoustic antennas, an increase in the energy characteristics of sounding pulses, the use of anti-jamming means, signal processing and a decrease in the level of interference from the carriers of the SAC. SJSC Zvezda systems can operate [113] in the far zones of acoustic illumination of the oceans due to the implementation of the idea of ​​different-level reception and emission of signals, when hydroacoustic antennas are located both in the ship's hull and on devices towed at depths of 400 m or more. Maximum unification has been achieved thanks to the basic design method and the implementation of uniform design stages for all modifications of the Zvezda system. At the same time, such approaches are being implemented. Firstly, in all modifications, the same methods of inspecting the sea area are adopted. Secondly, hydroacoustic antennas of all modifications have the same wave size. Thirdly, all modifications are based on common methods of information processing, have common mathematical and software support and a common element base. Fourthly, in the manufacture of devices and blocks of all modifications, common basic technological processes are used. And, finally, the use of the aggregate design method in the development of all modifications of the SJSC Zvezda system provides an increase in capabilities

[mvg]

Do you seriously believe in these numbers? The submarine detection range is 120 km ... Ha-ha .. 10-12 km

[mvg]

And compare with 22350, or even better with Horizon or European Fremm.
Radar Tiles, SAMP-T air defense with Aster-15/30, PLO with towed buoys. Electric movement with PLO.
Harpoons, torpedoes. AK Oto Melara.
PS: The main thing, as I understand it, is radar and air defense. And the Wise is under 30

[Andrey Shiryaev]

No need to drive, air defense and radar are present

[mvg]

Exactly, Igla is also air defense, and there is a radar station on a fishing trawler.

[Codett]

RTOs are certainly needed, but we have a gap with anti-submarine ships, and the Karakurt do not carry anti-submarine weapons. To combat underwater saboteurs, the ships are equipped with a DP-64 grenade launcher (index 97U), enemy detection is carried out by a lowered MG-757 GAS. We need new IPCs, since Albatross 1124 is already outdated, and the technical condition of the remaining ones is not very good, the karakurt can be modernized by increasing it in size and put on it anti-submarine weapons and GAK, and in addition to this, we need the formation of coastal GAS networks, the revival of PLO aviation with promising equipment. Well, it would be nice to adapt the unmanned aircraft for the solution of anti-aircraft defense missions.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Codett

and the Karakurt do not carry anti-submarine weapons.

hunts submarines in the Caspian Sea, in the Sea of ​​Azov, or maybe in the coastal waters around the Crimea?

[ramzay21]

hunts submarines in the Caspian Sea, in the Sea of ​​Azov, or maybe in the coastal waters around the Crimea?

With what forces are you going to carry out the ASW of the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol? and I am completely silent about the base in Syria and the implementation of anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense missions in the Mediterranean.

This is another series of stupid and incapable of combat ships, the meeting of which with any aircraft with anti-ship missiles or a submarine will be the last, and these ships are not able to solve the most necessary tasks of our Navy. Our Navy needs a full-fledged series of full-fledged corvettes with the ability to carry out air defense and anti-aircraft defense at a modern level, and of one type.

[lopvlad]

Quote: ramzay21

What forces are you going to carry out anti-submarine warfare of the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol?

Can you imagine the depth of the sea in the area of ​​the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol?

Quote: ramzay21

I am completely silent about the base in Syria and the implementation of anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense missions in the Mediterranean.

with the base in Syria, everything is fine and there is also shallow water for the submarine of a potential enemy.

Quote: ramzay21

This is another series of stupid and incapacitated ships, the meeting of which with any aircraft with anti-ship missiles or a submarine will be the last

A karakurt with a naval version of the Pantsir complex installed on it will tear this very any foreign aircraft with anti-ship missiles to pieces.

[ramzay21]

Can you imagine the depth of the sea in the area of ​​the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol?

Can you imagine how much undetected modern Turkish submarines can be at a missile launch distance at our base in Sevastopol? Or ready to destroy all our ships, including merchant ships? What are you going to provide PLO?

with the base in Syria, everything is fine and there is also shallow water for the submarine of a potential enemy.

With the base in Syria with ASW, everything is fine only on TV, which is probably why they sent there corvettes 20380 from the Baltic Fleet, capable of at least pretending to be an ASW.
We do not have forces in the Mediterranean that are capable of supporting anti-submarines, and the submarines of modern projects, which we now have nothing to find there, are full of American nuclear submarines Virginia and Sea Wolf, French Barracuda, German, Greek and Turkish diesel-electric submarines 212 projects. The lack of PLO forces makes our base and all the ships there are excellent potential targets.

A karakurt with a naval version of the Pantsir complex installed on it will tear this very any foreign aircraft with anti-ship missiles to pieces.

You probably don't know that before you shoot at a target, you need to find it, for this you need a radar, for example, on frigate 22350 it is Polyment, on corvettes 20380/20385 this is already a much worse radar, and on Karakurt there is nothing like this, there is only a radar of Pantsir. But the radar station of Pantsir, like the Pantsir itself, works only in the rear hemisphere and everyone knows about this, so if someone from the crew does not see the helicopter with the anti-ship missile system through binoculars and does not deploy Karakurt, this miracle of technology will go to the bottom, along with the crew, Caliber and Carapace.
A meeting with any submarine will end even worse than with a helicopter, there is generally nothing to detect these submarines with.
There are no fools, no one will go on the offensive with destroyers and aircraft carriers, reporting their coordinates, they will hit weak spots, and our fleet's weaknesses are air defense and anti-aircraft defense, and the construction of defenseless RTOs only strengthens the weakness of the fleet.

[lopvlad]

Quote: ramzay21

Can you imagine how much undetected modern Turkish submarines can be at a missile launch distance at our base in Sevastopol?

For Turkish submarines to strike at our base in Sevastopol, it will even be unnecessary at a number of moments to leave their territorial waters, and from international neutral waters even the oldest Turkish submarine is guaranteed to reach our base in Sevastopol with missiles.

[Angry]

Everything is correct. You are amazed by such comments, how mvg is pouring here! Man is far from the fleet ... well, what happens. All vehicles are specialized, both large and small. Of course, such cruisers pr.1144 can FSE ... including the fact that MRKs can. But there are 30 of them. you can't build ... And the minimum VI of the anti-aircraft missile / air defense station wagon / the fight against the enemy's BNK and others and so on, in our fleet starts from project 20385 ... and this is not 800 tons of Karakurt, but three times more. And in the Navy, not only "fools" rule, if something MRK will be elements of the KUG, where the leader will be, just such generalists like 20385, which will cover the younger brothers both from the air and from under the water. WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

[JD1979]

Well ... There is fish in bezrybe and cancer, ships without engines do not float, that's the whole secret of building RTOs

[unhappy]

I saw the option of buying 8 frigates from the Chinese (hulls and engines) with completion at home. The Chinese build them on a large scale, they have no problems with engines.

[Glagol1]

There are problems with the engines. It is very difficult to build good ship engines. There is a lot of talk about the successes of the Chinese, they are, but there are enough problems. It's just that they themselves do not stick out them, as we sometimes do.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Codett

can modernize the karakurt by increasing it in size and put anti-submarine weapons and GAK on it, and in addition to this, it is required

I'm sorry, but how will the "Karakurt" differ from the corvette then?
Maybe it will be easier to sharpen one of the existing projects of the corvette for a purely PLO, and not to fence a garden with an increase in the size of a karakurt?

[Bat039]

Karakurt are not bad MRKs and can qualitatively replace Soviet-built MRKs of the Ovod type in the Russian Navy, but it must be remembered that MRKs are not universal ships, they do not have anti-submarine weapons, and their air defense system is a system of short-range self-defense. So MRKs can qualitatively enhance the salvo of a larger universal ship in battle, accompanying it, but they will not be able to act independently in the area of ​​operation of enemy submarines and aircraft.

[FRoman1984]

A ship without any serious air defense and anti-aircraft defense is just a target. Karakut is this target. A completely useless pot.
Instead of throwing all our strength at 22350 and modernizing the Eagles, we are building this stuff.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: FRoman1984

A ship without any serious air defense and anti-aircraft defense is just a target.

so here on VO patriots consider any ship a target, that Alik, that EM - now you MRK with shell on board consider a target