Azerbaijani President spoke on the issue of granting autonomy to the Karabakh Armenians

September 27 marks exactly one year since the start of the 44-day war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh. Recalling this date, Ilham Aliyev stated that any step by Yerevan to return the territory lost in last year's war will be met with a fierce response from his country.

On this topic, he talked with the journalists of the French TV channel France 24.

The President of Azerbaijan also spoke on the issue of granting autonomy to the Karabakh Armenians. He claims that he has been making such a proposal for many years. But at the moment this issue has been removed from the agenda. Therefore, Aliyev believes, both Armenia and the OSCE Minsk Group of Mediators must accept this new reality.

The Armenians living today in the zone of responsibility of the Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh are citizens of Azerbaijan, like representatives of other ethnic groups.

- said the Azerbaijani president.

He noted that the topic of Armenian autonomy in Karabakh can no longer be a discussed topic. And any statements that the conflict has not been fully resolved are "inappropriate and dangerous."

The President of Azerbaijan also stated that the first Armenian-Azerbaijani meeting of foreign ministers last week in New York testifies that the dialogue can be resumed, and a peaceful solution to all issues has been found.

Comments

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Pashinyan, he did everything to ensure that Karabakh would be a part of Azerbaijan and without any autonomy. And they did not annex to Armenia, and did not recognize it as independent, and now they will leave it without autonomy. "And we will go to the North, and we will go to the North, when we return back there will be no one and not even Karabakh and its bones. Poor Karabakh. "

[dauria]

September 27 marks exactly one year since the start of the 44-day war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh.

What did I miss ? When did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia? Armenia did not come to the "war", Azerbaijan in fact carried out a police operation against illegal armed groups on its territory.
Otherwise, the dispersal of the Cherkizovsky market will soon be called the Azerbaijan-Russian war.

[elai]

Quote: dauria

September 27 marks exactly one year since the start of the 44-day war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh.

What did I miss ? When did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia? Armenia did not come to the "war", Azerbaijan in fact carried out a police operation against illegal armed groups on its territory.
Otherwise, the dispersal of the Cherkizovsky market will soon be called the Azerbaijan-Russian war.

Then, when the S-300 was destroyed, and other equipment of which the illegal armed formations clearly did not have, was the point destroyed? there was a video of OTRK exactly destroyed, s-300 too, electronic warfare, was it all in Karabakh? no, but the fact that Armenia partially fit in is another question, the equipment has lost quite a lot, and the soldier is even more confident and this is from the regular army of Armenia.

[dauria]

there was a video of the OTRK exactly destroyed, the s-300 too, electronic warfare,

Bye, I saw a video of Elvis Presley live ... And I also saw the Moscow game played out from the scores "Let's punish Pashinyan with the hands of Aliyev. Mr. Aliyev, let's go to war here.

[Vlad1]

What are you chasing a police operation ?? How did you say that the Armenians attacked, you counterattacked, so now it has become a police operation ?? You have wild fantasies .. And planes did not bomb and drones

[Karos]

I completely agree, whoever claims that Armenia did not appear during the war, let him then say where did more than 4000 graves of Armenian soldiers come from in Yerevan? Where did the separatists have 250+ tanks destroyed, where did the S-300, guns, anti-aircraft guns come from? How did large quantities of OCA appear there, which Armenia officially purchased second-hand?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Karos

Where did the separatists have 250+ tanks destroyed, where did the S-300, guns, anti-aircraft guns come from?

You young man did not read the periodicals preceding last year's war ... the NKR Army always had more tanks and PA than in the RA Army ...

[Bat]

Quote: dauria

What did I miss ? When did Azerbaijan declare war on Armenia? Armenia did not come to the "war", Azerbaijan in fact carried out a police operation against illegal armed groups on its territory.

According to the papers, yes, in reality Azerbaijan broke the backbone of the entire Armenian army, otherwise they could guard at least some border themselves and not the Russian troops. They showed up in all their glory, 10000 deserters, about 8000 dead, and the equipment was destroyed by 80%.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In fact, it was a war with 6 dead on both sides with the involvement of all branches of the armed forces, and legally call it what you want.

Azerbaijan seized Nagorno-Karabakh and this is a fact.

Everything that the Armenian people conquered and defended over 30 years of independence, Pashinyan deliberately gave in 44 days and ditch thousands more people.

[atalef]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Azerbaijan seized Nagorno-Karabakh and this is a fact.

Azerbaijan returned Nagorno-Karabakh. It is a priori the territory of Azerbaijan.

[Primipilus]

Are the Golan Heights then Syrian? Or is it not, is it different?

[atalef]

Quote: Primipilus

Are the Golan Heights then Syrian? Or is it not, is it different?

No, the Golan Heights are the Golan Heights - they never had a name - Syrian.
And so - yes. If they take it back, they will win it back. This is the Syrian territory that we have conquered. Now she is ours, which in no way prevents them from fighting for her as their own.
Unlike the Galan Heights, Armenia has never recognized the Karabakhs as its territory, this is the big difference.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

This is the Syrian territory that we have conquered. Now she's ours

And here Israeli Jews sang songs to me - Privalov and the Professor, that these heights were originally Israeli even before Christ, and now there it is, it turns out they are former Syrian ... captured by you ...

[atalef]

Quote: Lara Croft

And here Israeli Jews sang songs to me - Privalov and Professor, that these heights were primordially Israeli even before Christ.

of course there were, you do not mix the historical epoch.
Keniksberg has never been Russian, but then suddenly he became?
Golan Heights, why is the name?

The name "Golan" goes back to the ancient toponym "Golan" - the name of the city of Golan, located in the Bashan region. This city is mentioned in the book of Devarim (4:43) and in the book of Yeoshua (20: 8), it referred to the allotment of half of the tribe of Menashe, one of the 12 tribes of Israel, to whom the Almighty gave this land.

how then France and England divided these lands - this is about how Khrushchev chopped off the Crimea from the RSFSR.
Continue the logical chain further? Or will you understand?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

Continue the logical chain further?

There is no logic in the actions of Israeli Jews ...

Or will you understand?

If Israel returns the Golan to the working people of the SAR, then I will understand ....

[Ren]

Quote: atalef

Keniksberg has never been Russian, but then suddenly he became?

Yes, what are you? At least, even according to the official history, in the 18th century under Katherine II (Sophia Frederica Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst) he was Russian, even Immanuel Kant, who was born in this settlement, was a subject of the Russian Empire. Petya 2 just donated it (like many other territories).

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

Azerbaijan returned Nagorno-Karabakh.

Not all yet ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In fact, it was a war with 6 dead on both sides with the involvement of all branches of the armed forces, and legally call it what you want.

Azerbaijan seized Nagorno-Karabakh and this is a fact.

Everything that the Armenian people conquered and defended over 30 years of independence, Pashinyan deliberately gave in 44 days and ditch thousands more people.

Internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan. Even Armenia did not recognize the NKR.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

In my comments, what is written about the war? Who came, who didn't come?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Russia did not come to the war ... And in this case, I really do not understand what to fight for ... What are those, what are these ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Russia did not come to the war ...

What war did the Russian Federation not come to? Here the good and evil members of the forum tell you that there was no war, and the RA never recognized the independence of the NKR ... maybe you know more than the Ars and Azerbaijanis, tell me ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, and no one did not recognize ... But there was a war ... let's go without our previous disagreements. Can you? Or did anger eat you? I hope. Was there a war in Donbass?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Or did anger eat you?

I am a kind forum member, but I often have to communicate with evil ones ... by the will of fate ...

I hope. Was there a war in Donbass?

War? There was a genocide ... however, the last word that there was and is, for the Donetsk and Luhansk, and not for me ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Uh-huh ... So I'm angry. It happens. You know what's the matter ... I was there ... in Lugansk. And my son is in Donetsk. Like this. My wife almost killed me because I dragged my son there.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Pashinyan, he did everything to ensure that Karabakh would be a part of Azerbaijan and without any autonomy. And they did not annex to Armenia, and did not recognize it as independent, and now they will leave it without autonomy. "And we will go to the North, and we will go to the North, when we return back there will be no one and not even Karabakh and its bones. Poor Karabakh. "

It seems to me that Pashinyan was put at the head of Armenia with the help of the revolution, in order to settle the conflict with Azerbaijan at the expense of the interests of Armenia. The Armenian "liberals" decided to break through to the West even at the cost of surrendering their national interests. Their right. This quote says a lot.

The President of Azerbaijan also stated that the first Armenian-Azerbaijani meeting of foreign ministers last week in New York testifies that the dialogue can be resumed, and a peaceful solution to all issues has been found.

On the other hand, it is good if a peaceful solution is found and people will no longer die.

[Bat]

Quote: OrangeBigg

On the other hand, it is good if a peaceful solution is found and people will no longer die.

I don’t believe that. This has happened before. Our grandchildren need to be prepared.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Yarasa

I don’t believe that. This has happened before. Our grandchildren need to be prepared.

You were all returned, why are you dissatisfied?

[atalef]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It seems to me that Pashinyan was put at the head of Armenia with the help of the revolution, in order to settle the conflict with Azerbaijan at the expense of the interests of Armenia. The Armenian "liberals" decided to break through to the West even at the cost of surrendering their national interests. Their right. This quote says a lot.

In the parliamentary elections, Pashinyan's party (after the war) confidently won the elections. that is, it was supported by the people of Armenia.
now you can consider the majority of Armenians as liberals or sold to the West - but the fact is a stubborn thing.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

In the parliamentary elections, Pashinyan's party (after the war) confidently won the elections. that is, it was supported by the people of Armenia.

If so, why did they cut each other in the 90s?

[atalef]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

If so, why did they cut each other in the 90s?

And you haven't had anything like that in your life - what did you do in vain, were you wrong, or something like that?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

And you haven't had anything like that in your life - what did you do in vain, were you wrong, or something like that?

The problem is that the Armenians do not think that they were wrong then and that now their mistakes should be corrected by others - the Russians ...

[atalef]

Quote: Lara Croft

The problem is that the Armenians do not think that they were wrong then and that now their mistakes should be corrected by others - the Russians ...

why did you decide that they think so? they would think so they would give a ride to Pashinyan's party in the elections.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

why did you decide that they think so? they would think so they would give a ride to Pashinyan's party in the elections.

To forget about the sweet life in ESU?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

If so, why did they cut each other in the 90s?

They became crazy from the sweet life under the Union, so they decided that it was possible to leave the Union by taking someone else's land ... the sweet life without the Union quickly stopped, and now the foreign land was taken away from them, who from the Armenians will now remember why the Dashnaks instigated everyone to leave from the Union ... to see such karma, to spit on the breadwinner and go to another, in the hope of a sweeter life ... now, after the election of Pashinyan, they might throw something into the trough ...

[atalef]

Quote: Lara Croft

Why did the Dashnaks incite everyone to leave the Union?

Enough to remember the Union already. The RSFSR ran away from him, dropping her slippers almost in front of everyone. And you were somehow not observed on the barricades about saving the USSR.
The USSR has sunk into oblivion, forget and drink water and stop making dances with tambourines on the bones and identifying the USSR with Russia. Russia is not the USSR and never was.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: atalef

Enough to remember the Union already. RSFSR fled from him

It's a pity that not earlier, faster, many stages would have passed ...

And you on the barricades about the salvation of the USSR as it was not observed.

During the Emergency Committee, I was in a pioneer camp near Kaluga .....

Russia is not the USSR and never was.

That's for sure, as soon as the RSFSR unhooked the parasites from itself, how to prosper and develop began, in many sectors of the economy the Russian Federation has long surpassed the USSR ...
In all the republics of the Caucasus in the 90s, nationalists came to power - Gamsakhurdia, Elchibey, Petrosyan ...
Of these, only Azerbaijan got out (at the expense of oil) having lost part of its territory and living under the rule of the Aliyev clan without the prospect of changing it ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

On the other hand, it is good if a peaceful solution is found and people will no longer die.

One thing is not clear, for the sake of the solution found in the 21st century, it was necessary to cut each other at the end of the 20th? Yesterday they cut each other and only today they found a decision that along the way Karabakh will remain a part of Azerbaijan, as it was already a part of Azerbaijan. Both countries made a bloody sacrifice.

[Bat]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Pashinyan, he did everything to ensure that Karabakh would be a part of Azerbaijan and without any autonomy. And they did not annex to Armenia, and did not recognize it as independent, and now they will leave it without autonomy. "And we will go to the North, and we will go to the North, when we return back there will be no one and not even Karabakh and its bones. Poor Karabakh. "

What do you write in general? This land was Azerbaijani and it was occupied, and now it is back at its owners, and your words give me and all Azerbaijanis a reason to stay away from you as far as possible.

[dauria]

give a reason for me and all Azerbaijanis to stay as far away from you as possible.

Do you think that everyone has forgotten the awesome "patriotism" of Azerbaijanis and Armenians in Russia while the turmoil was in full swing? Straight rushed to their homeland. Silence too.

[atalef]

Quote: dauria

Do you think everyone has forgotten the awesome "patriotism" of Azerbaijanis and Armenians in Russia while the turmoil was in full swing? Straight rushed to their homeland. Silence too.

Well, you (personally) as it was also not quite observed either in the Crimea or in the LPNR or in other hot spots.
Everyone chooses their place in life and is not at all obliged to tear their skis for war. For this there are regular troops.

[suhorukofal]

Well, you (personally) as it was also not quite observed either in the Crimea or in the LPNR or in other hot spots.
Everyone chooses their place in life and is not at all obliged to tear their skis for war. For this there are regular troops.

I could not resist not to answer such hypocrisy. You live in a parallel world, there are a lot of volunteers from Russia in Donbass. Of course, people are not obliged to rush to war, but many consider it obligatory to shout the loudest about victory, living and working in such a hated country, "from which one must stay away."

[atalef]

Quote: suhorukofal

I could not resist not to answer such hypocrisy. You live in a parallel world, there are a lot of volunteers from Russia in Donbass.

Have you personally been? therefore, the statement is not clear - like where are you (Armenians and Azerbaijanis were 0.
who needs to go who does not want to - is not obliged

Quote: suhorukofal

, but many consider it obligatory to shout the loudest about victory, living and working in such a hated country,

This is full-time - there are enough of them everywhere "from which you have to stay away."
We have such a MAZ.

[suhorukofal]

Have you personally been?

We have such a MAZ.

And what about you personally?
It is clear where it is convenient to concretize and ask "have you personally been", in another place you can generalize. I understand who I'm talking to, do verbiage without me.

[atalef]

Quote: suhorukofal

And what about you personally?

Personally, I went through 2 wars in my country. Did not fight - worked in the rear
Nevertheless, I have been under rockets more than once. I will tell you nothing pleasant and heroic in this.
The army must fight, that's its business.

[Professor]

Quote: suhorukofal

I understand who I'm talking to, do verbiage without me.

Ouch. He was offended when they reproached that he himself did not smell gunpowder, but only fought from the sofa. By the way, your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities.

[suhorukofal]

By the way, your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities.

But he claims something else.

Did not fight - worked in the rear

You will agree there who comes up with what fairy tales.

[atalef]

Quote: suhorukofal

But he claims something else.

Fighting during the war and participating in operations as a reserve soldier are two different things.

Quote: atalef

Nevertheless, I have been under rockets more than once. I will tell you nothing pleasant and heroic in this.

We have a division between wars and so-called operations - I spoke specifically about wars.

Quote: dauria

You and Atalef have no homeland either

What do you mean no? Israel is my Motherland, but I was just born in the USSR

Quote: dauria

... Lull your conscience with your new brothers blowing in your ears

Are you like our old brother?
What the fuck are you brother?

Quote: dauria

Even if you "die heroically" there, you will not get shit except indifference in Russia.

And what type of sympathy are we asking you for?
Didn't you bend the wind there?

[suhorukofal]

Quote: atalef

Didn't you bend the wind there?

You yourself have not beguiled anything? Or did you eat a little?

[atalef]

Quote: suhorukofal

You yourself have not beguiled anything? Or did you eat a little?

Lesha - saw the weights and don't get involved in an adult conversation.

[suhorukofal]

Wake up, then write, do not be dishonored by your stupidity

[aszzz888]

suhorukofal (Alexey Sukhorukov)
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Wake up, then write, do not be dishonored by your stupidity

this one will not sleep it off. he has a job)) here is such.

[suhorukofal]

As they say, you will not sleep well. It may not be work, but a state of mind

[aszzz888]

atalef (alexander)
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Quote: suhorukofal
You yourself have not beguiled anything? Or did you eat a little?

Lesha - saw the weights and don't get involved in an adult conversation. hi

why are you shutting up a man's mouth! you have already gotten into adult conversations enough that you were marked - Rating -233 652!

[aszzz888]

suhorukofal (Alexey Sukhorukov)
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By the way, your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities.

But he claims something else.
Did not fight - worked in the rear

no proхfezуtime for contracts. Lies inspired and constantly.

[Professor]

Quote: suhorukofal

By the way, your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities.

But he claims something else.

Did not fight - worked in the rear

You will agree there who comes up with what fairy tales.

You yourself will remove the handbrake from the sofa first.

your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities. What regiment did you serve in?

[dauria]

By the way, your opponent atalef took part in the hostilities.

"Professor", but with what fright did you decide to measure your genitals here? What are you that Atalef?
Knowing neither people, nor their destinies, nor age and even gender
You and Atalef do not have a homeland either, you have abandoned it, timid people, in a time of troubles. Now whistle whatever you want. You can't fix that. Lull your conscience with your new brothers blowing in your ears. Even if you "die heroically" there, you will not get shit except indifference in Russia.
This is how you are similar to the Armenians and Azerbaijanis. While nourishing - the Russians, almost immediately remember that they are not like that.

[Professor]

Quote: dauria

You can't fix that. Lull your conscience with your new brothers blowing in your ears.

"You are not my brother, .... ...."

[Orange bigg]

Do you know him personally that you speak so confidently? Maybe you are mistaken.

[Bat]

If necessary, we will leave, but before that we will send the whole Ivanovka back to you.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

And the world, it was impossible to decide back then in the 90s? Was it necessary to bleed each other? And they let them in ... I need to stay away from you, that the Azerbaijanis, that the Armenians, you cannot live without blood ... and you cannot live together, you let your guts go to each other.

[Vlad1]

Again, fairy tales have gone .. As Azerbaijan was before 1918, so Karabakh was yours

[Bakinec]

Where was Armenia before 1918? Can you even name the Armenian rulers of the Armenian state over the past 500 years? And why does the ancient, ancient, well, very ancient Armenian Karabakh not have an ancient capital, but has the capital Stepanakert, in honor of Stepan Shahumyan?

[Thrifty]

Daniel, Soros did it, by the hands of a Pashinyan and others like him!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not Soros, but those who are behind him, that is, the United States and the collective West in general.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Pashinyan, did everything to ensure that Karabakh was a part of Azerbaijan

Well, let's say the Azerbaijanis now control only part of the NKR, and because of Nakhichevan they will not isolate the NKR from the RA ...

[Popandos]

any claims that the conflict has not been fully resolved are “inappropriate and dangerous”.
...
a peaceful solution to all issues has been found.

It seems to me that Aliyev is disingenuous, they killed each other long before him, and will be so long after, unfortunately.

[Bat]

Quote: Popandos

It seems to me that Aliyev is disingenuous, they killed each other long before him, and will be so long after, unfortunately.

He is not dissembling. He said the Armenians would once again take it into their head, they will not get it. Before the war, bargaining was appropriate, but now it is not. What will be offered in return? They have nothing.

[sleeve]

Strange approach. Armenian-Azerbaijani War? Karabakh was not part of Armenia, it was not recognized by it. The only thing that officially connects the unrecognized republic in the information agenda of the conflict is the presentation from Yerevan to us that we did not defend ... the unrecognized republic by Armenia for Armenia itself. In this funny, if I may say so, situation, we are forced to listen to reproaches from all sides. From Armenia, which did not appear for the war, from Azerbaijan, which shot down our helicopter, from Erdogan, who had seen enough of the "Magnificent Century". Moreover, everyone thinks himself the most important and key, having absolutely nothing to offer in dialogue. As a result, everyone got what they "wanted" in unison. An angry Russia at home with "Kalash", its own vision of the future agenda and unwillingness to "compromise" further. Erdogan "worked" the hardest of all, having finally moved to the camp of the "muddy in life" for Russia. I wonder if it will be possible to prevent another coup in Turkey?

[Bat]

Quote: sleeve

From Armenia that did not show up for the war

Even as she appeared. Even mercenaries from Spain to Russian citizens.

Quote: sleeve

from Azerbaijan that shot down our helicopter

On this issue, contact the Russian Defense Ministry with the question why, during the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a Russian military helicopter flies along the border without warning, and even at night without identification marks, and if Azerbaijan is to blame, why did the RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE pay the families? Why is this business sewn and covered and nothing is shown? But another thing is strange, why don't you talk about how the Armenians shot down a helicopter where Russian officers died back in the 90s like a spoiled record? Got enough as a spoiled plate, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter ....................

[sleeve]

Well, if it hurts, then the topic is correct. So ... a downed helicopter. A documentary is it possible that the Armenian-Azerbaijani border was a war zone? There is not? In this case, we are in our own right. And this tragedy is an act of aggression against Russia, once again generously sacrificing its sons for the sake of "adult politics" about which many have read only in books. And, unfortunately, they again interpret this as weakness, starting to rage even more. I also ask you not to confuse the volunteer movement with official policy, it contains the keys to preserving the sovereignty of countries in this historical event, and not in discussing gossip and rumors, even if they have a basis. The mechanism of compensation, built in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, is not designed for the political situation, and the families of servicemen and the servicemen themselves should in no way depend on balabolism in the zone of diplomacy. In addition, we probably won't recognize who got who on this issue - in the Kremlin it is not customary to stoop to petty "reports on victories" within the framework of the same "adult behavior." We, citizens of the Russian Federation, choose our own opinion for ourselves. I have formed such an opinion about the conflict, "neighbor-partners" and about the downed helicopter. And about the 90s, are you talking about the incident in Karaken? Oh, how not even nearby ...

[atalef]

Quote: sleeve

..a downed helicopter. Is it possible to document that the Armenian-Azerbaijani border was a war zone? There is not?

Ie, like the fact that the war was going on, everyone knew except the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

Quote: sleeve

In this case, we are in our right

To be right and be smart? What do you choose?

Quote: sleeve

And this tragedy is an act of aggression against Russia, once again generously sacrificing its sons for the sake of "adult politics"

Aggression? what the hell 7 But about the victims - that's for sure. Someone sent ...

Quote: sleeve

... The mechanism of compensation, built in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, is not designed for the political situation, and the families of servicemen and the servicemen themselves should in no way depend on balabolism in the zone of diplomacy.

Strange, but the Turks paid - probably all the same there is a problem - who is right who is wrong.

Quote: sleeve

We, citizens of the Russian Federation, choose our own opinion for ourselves.

and everyone has their own

[sleeve]

Oh, thank God, our Defense Ministry does not itself decide whether there is a war or not. This has an extremely beneficial effect on the natural conditions of the planet Earth. Although in some cases, this "waiting for the official part" gets everyone. But what to do, with serious things such as the destruction of regions or the planet as a whole, if possible, one should not joke. Although in this case, "suspicion" was expressed, among other things, in the increased combat readiness of the contingent in Gyumri. This led to the emergence of a series of statements of the type: "We are not going to expand", "Will not cross borders ...". And so on until the very end.
About compensation. The question was closed last year. The apologies from Baku are accepted, the incident is recognized as not intentional, compensation has been paid, including the cost of the helicopter, if my memory serves me right. And yes, you are right, and the Turks paid for theirs ... The rest will also pay "for theirs."
As for assessing whether the destruction of military equipment and military personnel of a state by the forces of another state is an aggression, this is probably to military lawyers, well, to be sure. But in general, according to the experience of world history, yes. Moreover, in such a combination as "the actions of a contingent in a friendly state in the course of a nearby armed clash without a direct armed conflict," the questions become even more acute. Well, okay, the act is recognized as unintentional, what now. He did not receive development, although he brought in some shocking component. Perhaps to some extent, those who died and paid with their lives for peace. In general, something like that.
As for the opinion, yes, you are right, everyone has their own. And of course, it is recommended to be able to defend it, otherwise the attitude towards opinion becomes appropriate. Well, as it were, it’s accepted. It was. Now, of course, this is not the case everywhere. Well, what's the point? You can just say "it was like this and that's it." And that's all.

[Humpty]

Quote: Yarasa

Got enough as a spoiled plate, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter, a downed helicopter ....................

Yes Yes. Now like a scarf for Frida. Because Do not strive directly into the enemies of Russia, it means that you have shown yourself, if not dirty provocateurs, then a character with a grenade for 100500.
Adequats do not shoot at other people's helicopters, even if they slightly violated someone's border. Moreover, they often "do not notice", or rather do not notice. But this is not about you and not about the Turks. In the worst (rare) case, diplomats unsubscribe from the duty paper.

[rotmistr60]

any statements that the conflict has not been fully resolved are “inappropriate and are dangerous»

A direct threat to those who do not quite agree with the position of Azerbaijan. Erdogan's notes began to sound in Aliyev's speeches (interviews). And this could eventually become dangerous for Azerbaijan and Aliyev himself. The same notes only with an American accent sounded from Georgia, it is known how it ended. The same notes sound from Ukraine to Russia. Pashinyan and the part of the population that supported him and supports him are completely guilty of what happened and are now completely disentangling the results of his orientation towards the West and its assistance.

[Bat]

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Erdogan's notes began to sound in Aliyev's speeches (interviews).

In general, Aliyev speaks about his land, lawful and internationally recognized land and Erdogan has nothing to do with it.

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And this could eventually become dangerous for Azerbaijan and Aliyev himself.

Thank you for your concern, don't worry about the main thing.

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The same notes only with an American accent sounded from Georgia, it is known how it ended.

Only Azerbaijan is not Georgia, and in case of interference in helping Azerbaijan, there is also someone who will come and not only Turkey, but for the sake of those who burn your flag it is worth fighting against Azerbaijan and getting another Ukraine, an interesting question. The ring will close.

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and now he is completely disentangling the results of his orientation towards the West and its assistance.

If the borders become the same as in the USSR, do not worry, they will be fine! The main thing is not to listen to 3 countries.

[rotmistr60]

fight against Azerbaijan

Was Russia going or is going to fight against Azerbaijan? Or maybe I wrote about it?

there is also someone to help Azerbaijan, and not only Turkey

Roll your lip a little. Here some of our neighbors have also been yelling for years that "the whole world" is with them. Be more modest and people will reach out to you.

[Bat]

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Here some of our neighbors have also been yelling for years that "the whole world" is with them. Be more modest and people will reach out to you.

Well, you lead modestly, name the countries that are reaching out to you? I repeat, Azerbaijan is not Georgia.

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Was Russia going or is going to fight against Azerbaijan?

Read your review. You write negatively.

[rotmistr60]

Name the countries that are reaching out to you?

If we are so bad, then what are the thousandths of your diasporas doing in Russia? Why are you drawn here like a magnet? And at the same time you are still trying to "unobtrusively" spoil the site.

Read your review. You write negatively.

In my comment, there is no negative from the word at all. There is a direct hint that Aliyev, with such a position and with the support (influence) of Turkey, may soon fall under its full control. But you, apparently, have been diligently inciting ethnic strife since the beginning of the conflict.

[Karos]

And who said that Azerbaijan is against Russia? Azerbaijan has 2 enemies, the first open is Armenia, the second underground is Iran. Russia is a neighbor and strategic partner. Azerbaijan is not shouting like Armenia that "Russia is brother" and at the same time burning Russian flags. Azerbaijan adheres to a good-neighborly policy of neutral relations, not calling Russia not a brother, not an enemy. All these words are mixed up - trade and strategic partner. Better to be a neutral neighbor than a hypocritical brother.

[elai]

So far, Aliyev is a winner, a winner by force, and he behaves like a winner. When it was offered autonomy, but Karabakh was not given away, after it was taken by force, I think the correct position is that he is not going to talk about autonomy.

[atalef]

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A direct threat to those who do not quite agree with the position of Azerbaijan.

That's right, to dispute the results of the war is dangerous and inappropriate. Azerbaijan returned its territory.
Bargaining is not appropriate here - this is what Aliyev said.

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And this could eventually become dangerous for Azerbaijan and Aliyev himself.

So, like Putin's statement - do not test Russia - this is normal and cool
And Aliyev's similiar statement is Erdoganism.

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Pashinyan and the part of the population that supported him and supports him are completely guilty of what happened and are now completely disentangling the results of his orientation towards the West and its assistance.

They do not disentangle anything and the results of the parliamentary elections have confirmed this. I think the Armenians themselves are already tired of this Kakrabakh clan and everything that was happening around it.
Therefore, they support Pashinyan. He opened this abscess - now the country can move on.

[elai]

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there was a video of the OTRK exactly destroyed, the s-300 too, electronic warfare,

Bye, I saw a video of Elvis Presley live ... And I also saw the Moscow game played out from the scores "Let's punish Pashinyan with the hands of Aliyev. Mr. Aliyev, let's go to war here.

I do not understand, there is probably a club of friends on the forum, why did they throw me cons? really those videos that were, someone considers fake and denies the destruction of the S-300, OTRK? TOR who drove into the garage or that he was thrown in, was it really not? For which the cons, at least they said. Already more than once I notice that here, as it were, an opinion, if it is almost patriotic, is immediately minus. as if all the same to the facts. But for some kind of nonsense someone puts + and therefore decided that there was a club of friends on the forum.

[Wolf]

Armeni and Azeri lived 150 years in peace in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and one and the other normal ludi. Anything is better than war and violence !!! 100 years of talking is better than 1 year of war !!!
Gave it so hard to understand ??? and on this path to go ???

[Wolf]

As soon as the nacheli demokratizatsya nacheli and Natsik head the word news.

[teptyar]

Exactly! The general line is Urapatriotism! a little to the side and immediately cons! TOP and S-300 cannot be destroyed! Su-57 one will fill up 680 F35. All the neighbors around are stupid bastards! We are all stronger and wiser! The Azerbaijani and Armenian Diasporas in Russia have nothing to do! Only Russians can live in the USA, gayrope.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Pashigyan deliberately gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan, in order to then move towards the EU and NATO and thereby break off the economic and political relations between Russia and Armenia, and it is for this that the West brought him to power.

[Bat]

Ratmir, what does it mean to give Karabakh? They lost and at the same time lost a certain number of people and equipment. And with everything else that you wrote, I agree. Just another question. What else should the Armenians do for Russia to release them?

[TermNachTer]

Aliyev, with a smart look, shares the skin of a bear, which is not only not killed, but has not even been found yet))))

[Maxalov]

I like Aliyev more and more, he is an adequate politician, you can negotiate with him .. That's just alarming the growing influence of Turkey in this region, they can substitute both Azerbaijan and Russia (I am silent about Armenia, there Pashinyan is a provocateur in power)

[Bat]

It was necessary to be friends with Aliyev since the 90s.

[Azimuth]

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Pashinyan and the part of the population that supported him and supports him are completely guilty of what happened and are now completely disentangling the results of his orientation towards the West and its assistance.

They do not disentangle anything and the results of the parliamentary elections have confirmed this. I think the Armenians themselves are already tired of this Kakrabakh clan and everything that was happening around it.
Therefore, they support Pashinyan. He opened this abscess - now the country can move on.

I agree with you in general about Pashinyan's desire to get rid of Karabakh, but not on the result.

Pashinyan, the forces behind him, as well as Turkey believed that Azerbaijan would go to the end and end the hostilities "restoring its sovereignty completely" throughout its entire territory, in other words, throwing the Armenians out of their borders. Thus, in their opinion, the issue of Armenia’s dependence on us was resolved, and, most importantly, the issue of our military presence in Armenia.
The defeat of Armenia in the war would further inflame the existing anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia and would undoubtedly end with protest actions, and there with the assault or blockade of our military facilities, and in the end with the withdrawal of our base in Gyumri and air force units based in Erebuni. Many of our grief analysts have already forgotten that with the outbreak of the war and against the background of the defeat of the Armenian army in Karabakh, concrete blocks were installed around our military base, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were withdrawn, personnel, children - families of military personnel spent the night on the territory of the base. All this was done for a reason and not just in case, but on the basis of the available information about the plans of the opposing side.

In all this, the Aliyev factor was not taken into account, our opponents were mistaken in assessing his priorities, the degree of loyalty and dependence due to part of the funds he placed abroad, and in offshores. The Dutch parliament put a pig on all this by introducing personal sanctions against Aliyev and his wife, who is also vice-president. Aliyev is well aware that our withdrawal from Transcaucasia means the end of his power, and his prospects are such that he will envy the fate of Gaddafi. In assessing the actions of Azerbaijan, they often forget about the nature of this state, and this is a common oriental despotism, where the personal interests of the local sultan determine state policy. Turkey is alien to Aliyev, he is openly afraid of it on the one hand, on the other hand, the Turks, despite Erdogan's public statements, do not particularly hide their contempt for Aliyev. Aliyev uses Turkey for his personal interests, Turkey seeks to gain a foothold in Azerbaijan, but as we see, contrary to the assertions of our local analysts and talking heads on ORT, the efforts of the Turks are unsuccessful, otherwise they would have removed Aliyev long ago. With the US and the EU, everything is clear, these are sanctions against Azerbaijan, and the publication of extensive materials about the corruption of the Aliyev couple, and scandals related to bribery of MEPs, bribes to UNESCO, etc. We are the only ones left, there is no one for Aliyev to lean on, and we must conceal, based on our interests one way or another, but we support all these eastern sultanates - Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan. The Grand Duke of Lithuania Lukashenko can also be mentioned in this series, although Belarusians are only in a small part descendants of the Tatars and Chingizids.

So our opponents, considering that, in principle, they practically solved their tasks, they did not break off. Aliyev made the right decision based on the interests of preserving his power, stopped the hostilities by agreement with VVP, when Pashinyan had no choice. Further, the deployment of our contingent in Azerbaijan, which already automatically maintains our presence in Armenia, plus, so that the Armenians are not forgotten, friend Aliyev presses periodically. Of course, our military presence in Azerbaijan angers the Turks and local nationalists, the latter call our MCs nothing more than the occupation corps, but apparently Aliyev is confident and his car calmly suppresses any protests and "dissent" in the bud.
The situation regarding the status of Karabakh, which actually does not exist anymore, because out of more than 40 thousand Armenians returned by us, only a little more than 25 thousand agreed to stay and live in Karabakh. Such a number of Armenians makes any talks about status frankly ridiculous and frivolous, it is less than the number of Armenians living compactly in Georgia, or, for example, in Sochi, Armavir or Mineralnye Vody, and even more so if there is an independent and sovereign Armenia nearby. The topic of status and speculations around it are more often initiated by Aliyev himself than, for example, by Armenia, which this topic will allow to continue to lead Azerbaijanis along like Moses of Jews through the desert, while maintaining his power. The time will come for our full-fledged return to Transcaucasia and Aliyev, having satiated by that time, will go to meet us halfway, Azerbaijan will return to our composition faster and more organically. And before that, I think it is already relevant to talk about Azerbaijan's entry into the CSTO and the gradual transformation of our peacekeeping corps into a military base in an ally state.

So we solved the issue of preserving our presence in the Transcaucasus, wiping our noses off both the West and the Turks. Aliyev solved his issues, he received land, and this is agricultural land, and water resources, and minerals, which increased his capabilities, shot the most active in the herd and acquired the title of liberator of the lands of Azerbaijan, and as a result he can steer his flock for another couple of decades ... Pashinyan is tied hand and foot and cannot jump off, since the Azerbaijani army hangs with a domocles sword over the Armenians and we can always influence the situation with someone else's hands so as not to offend the forgetful ally with a literal pundel.

Armenia is our ally, but the Armenians have forgotten about those years when we accepted tens of thousands of their refugees, only we offered our shoulder, helped with resources, provided military assistance, armed support, when they were losing the war to Azerbaijani nationalists, they forgot how they drowned their apartments in high-rise buildings with firewood and furniture, and we have restored their entire fuel and energy complex. You just need to wait until they get sick with the Soros infection. Transcaucasia, to a greater extent just Armenia and Azerbaijan, is our territory de facto, not far off is the day when it will be de jure. Outside of Russia, these lands cannot exist for a long time, they are not viable.