Belarusian KGB officer killed in special operation in Minsk

The operation of the State Security Committee of the Republic of Belarus ended in tragedy. The press service of the department reports that during a special operation against alleged members of the terrorist community, one of the KGB officers was seriously injured.

It is reported that during the development of one of the addresses at which those involved in the extremist group could be located, the KGB officers of the Republic of Belarus were faced with firing to kill. An unnamed person shot at Belarusian law enforcement officers from a hunting rifle. An employee of the republican KGB died from the wound received during this shooting.

The reports say that law enforcement officers returned fire, as a result of which the perpetrator was eliminated.

At the moment, investigative actions are underway within the framework of an initiated criminal case under the article of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus on the murder of an official in the performance of official powers.

It all happened on Yakubovskiy Street in Minsk. According to the preliminary version, there was a 31-year-old man engaged in activities in the field of IT in the apartment, which the Belarusian law enforcement officers came to.

According to the latest information, the man (his name, according to the latest information, Andrei Zeltser) was not alone in the apartment. A woman was with him at the place of residence. Her fate has not been officially announced at the moment.

In Belarusian social networks, they write that little is known about the deceased KGB officer. His name is Dmitry and his callsign is "Nirvana".

Comments

[Fungus]

Very sorry. Rest in peace. Normal Belarusians grieve, zmagars rejoice.

[Kot_Kuzya]

The lamentations of the zmagars "Ongedet!" ... Yeah, such a peaceful child with a loaded gun in his hands.

[Victor_B]

Afanasyev added that today the competition in this segment is extremely high,

There, and the woman was nearby and streamed ...
Few!
Little "bloody gebnya" still flatters zmagars!
But progressive mankind has already recorded the slain zmagar as a victim of the "redhead".
The sacred sacrifice is ready.

[Torins]

He is 31 years old, he is far from a child, his wife is 40, she was filming everything in cold blood, now under investigation.

[Installer]

Another IT guy who outplayed shooters! Plus a woman with content.
Work brothers!
I'm so sorry.

[Revival]

Yes, lamentations came in heaps from all sides

[Naive]

In fact, this is the same KGB (and in the course of the department) that your Wagnerites worked and not only them (from yours). And about (the terrorist), they don't work like that (in civilian life without armor, weapons at the ready) and they don't call the police to break them ... for everyone.

[Naive]

Lukashenko, Putin's ally: the Russians, our Chekists spit your Wagnerites in one place

Lukashenko: "To those Russians who dare to doubt the professionalism of Group" A "of the KGB RB - it was this group and the deceased KGB-shnik who participated in neutralizing the Wagner group, so quickly neutralized that those pants did not have time to pull on and blink an eye."

By the way, all information about the key role of Ukraine and the United States in this incident with PMC Wagner was launched by the state. apparatus of the Russian Federation in order to smear the last ally. Everything was organized by Lukashenka, when this tyrant generally listened to someone from the outside? Now the last ally, in gratitude, dunked the grandfathers from the Security Council with their face in shit, they say, your Wagnerites are bullshit. Moreover, it shows that Lukashenka not only does not repent of what he has done, but is proud of it.

I hope that there will still be a repetition of Amin's palace in the Republic of Bashkortostan, and the suckers from Group A of the KGB RB will face the special forces of the SVR and the GRU. Unless, of course, the Belarusians are bombed right in the barracks.

And to all the idiots who believed in the fake signing of something there by Lukashenka and Putin: do you believe in integration now? Indeed, with the closure of the KP Belarus and this, the relations between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation returned in July 2020, before the elections and the support of the Russian Federation for Lukashenko. After such a warming with the West will soon follow.

Lukashenko seems to be saying to Putin: you should have eliminated me, Vova.

And I’m wondering, all these Simonyans, Gasparyans, Solovians, who have become Lukashenka’s personal media servant over the past year - who will they be, for the mask, for the racist mercenary, or for the new mustachioed owner? ps The words are not mine, but a Russian nationalist from the channel in the telegram (bulb of thrones), read it, though ...., but it will come to you.

[Tomich_1987]

The news raises a lot of questions. Perhaps another fake of Lukashenka.

[Understanding]

I think it's a half-fake. A specialist crashed for real, but there was no extremist at the address. Apparently they took a computer oppositionist and he had a hunting smoothbore. Bad luck came out ...

[bukhach]

An interesting conclusion you have, it means that the gun is not an extremist, but a boy with glasses, a quiet peaceful nerd. Are there many nerds who take up weapons? Out of fear, what? If such a nice guy, then what threatened him? Since he was ready to kill, it means either a psycho, or knew the sins behind him.

[Understanding]

He is not an extremist, and certainly not a terrorist. Just MD, a teenage dolt.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Just MD, a teenage dolt.

At 31 years old? Seriously?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

At 31 years old?

Yes Easy. Don't we have a few overage infantiles with pederastic beards who have not developed from the level of kindergarten wars in a sandbox?

[Akuzenka]

Yes Easy. yes Don't we have a few overage infantiles with pederastic beards who have not developed from the level of kindergarten wars in a sandbox? request

So Darwin's theory worked.

[sivuch]

He is not an extremist, and certainly not a terrorist.
Once he fired first, then he was already a terrorist.
I don’t understand why this should be justified.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: sivuch

Once he fired first, then he was already a terrorist.
I don’t understand why this should be justified.

Calling a spade a spade is not the same as justifying.
In our time of troubles, the concept of "terrorist" is often used without a proper reason. The desire of the authorities of this or that country (and here we are not keeping up with the "partners", but we are trying) to hang a similar label on any objectionable is quite understandable, but, in my opinion, is unacceptable. The fact is that this blurs very important boundaries, and the animals that shot children in the Beslan school or pregnant women in the Budennovsk maternity hospital suddenly find themselves next to a simple thug with a barrel who killed a security officer in a shootout. This not only denigrates the latter, but also, to some extent, whitens the former - stupidly dialectically. And this should not be allowed.

[Thompson]

I immediately realized that the companion was talking more about himself!
And so, two, everything is like in Ukraine - they are children from 30 to pensioners!
Insanity rises, the mind grows!

[Doctor]

An interesting conclusion you have, it means that the gun is not an extremist, but a boy with glasses, a quiet peaceful nerd. Are there many nerds who take up weapons? Out of fear, what? If such a nice guy, then what threatened him? Since he was ready to kill, it means either a psycho, or knew the sins behind him.

Good question.
If such people take up arms, the Belarusians will soon join the partisans again.

[Roma 1977]

ONLY these are taken. A combined hodgepodge of nerds, neo-Nazis and majors who imagined themselves to be the salt of the nation. The Belarusians went to the KGB and asked to take one of these into development. So the KGB reacted.

[Doctor]

ONLY these are taken. A combined hodgepodge of nerds, neo-Nazis and majors who imagined themselves to be the salt of the nation. The Belarusians went to the KGB and asked to take one of these into development. So the KGB reacted.

Maybe yes. But the soil is also ripe. The priest sat on the throne. Plus this Kolya ...

[Roma 1977]

Agree. Lukashenko is himself the main responsible for the growth of extremism in the country.

[210ox]

Do not answer for all Belarusians.

[Doctor]

Do not answer for all Belarusians.

For all the speech and no. For slaughter, 20% is enough, but stubborn.
I'm actually for AG. When I wanted to go back to the USSR, I went to Belarus.
But now, the campaign is over.

[210ox]

And who prevents you from going to Belarus? Coronovirus? Well, last year he interfered with me, there are relatives - Klimovichi, Mogilev. And not 20% there, but much less. There are a lot of dissatisfied people everywhere. But grab a weapon? This is an infantile bastard, or a suicide. I don't feel sorry for both of them.

[Doctor]

And who prevents you from going to Belarus?

There's no point. The end of Belarusian socialism.

[sivuch]

I don't feel sorry for both of them.
one is a bastard, and who is the second?

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

These were not partisans, only clubs!

[Hyperion]

Yes 100%. Knowing that the terrorist was taken without armor? It's just that the "administrator of the channel's telegrams" freaked out.

[fruc]

It is a pity that this IT guy was not taken alive. Condolences to the relatives of the deceased employee.

[Roma 1977]

A half-fake is if no one shot at the operative. But they shot at him. There is an aggravated crime. What were the motives of the shooter? - In the fact that he realized why they came to him. I suspect that we are talking about hacking the databases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the deanonymization of employees, that is, already a crime that is indirectly related to terrorism.

[www3]

to such a hardened terrarist go some kind of gop company in sweatpants without identification marks?
and you are not embarrassed by the fact that the terrorist called at 102, that unknown people are bursting with him ??

[Andrey VOV]

Zmagar? With a red and white flag?

[210ox]

Perhaps, more precisely, another vyser of the zmagar.

[Blanket]

Here is only a part of the video: both operational filming, and a video taken by a shot suspect. His woman was also filming on the phone. Darwin's award to the moron with a gun.

[210ox]

They are both scumbags. Here they put your friend, and this bastard with the phone continues to shoot. It was necessary to use grenades and show later that it would be discouraging.

[Blanket]

Purely for a scientific purpose, it is interesting: did he expect to fight back, survive, post a video and become a 6th grade tick-turner?
My condolences to the relatives and friends of the employee ...

[Alex_You]

Here, the Darwin Prize should be given to the employees, they got used to that they walked in like this, with their muzzle on the floor and left. But it was not there, someone decided to leave beautifully, as a result he died during the execution.

[karimx2]

It looks like a crooked decision. Suddenly, the shooting is being carried out both from the apartment and from the entrance. Those. the programmer either lived like in DOME2, filming around the clock how he goes to the toilet, or before the assault, when they sawed off his door, set up cameras, choosing a good angle for them. Both the wife and the one who is filming from the side of the KGB men calmly walk along the line of fire, ignoring what is happening. When shots are thundering nearby, they do not have the natural feeling to bend over, to press against the wall. Everything was glued together with a curved montage from two angles, as in American category B action movies from the 90s. All this is superimposed on a common sound track. In addition, the video was shown on TV.
If the situation were real, then a stingy line at the bottom of the screen would simply go through the box, informing about the death of an employee and that's it.

[sifgame]

That is, this IT specialist and the KGB operative are alive, in fact, according to your words. The setting is the same.

[karimx2]

Quote: sifgame

That is, this IT specialist and the KGB operative are alive, in fact, according to your words. The setting is the same.

Quite possible. Well, they showed us a clip where IT specialists Vasya Pupkin shot KGB officer Pupku Vasyutkin. AND? Anyway, no one will be able to check, everyone will be pissed off, and after a couple of days they will forget. The Internet will endure everything.

[mvg]

The news raises a lot of questions

Seemingly simple question: How did the video of the stream end up on the internet? Did she shoot online? Did you broadcast the strand?
If I understand everything correctly, this requires a rather sickly equipment. Those. to receive "guests" must be thoroughly prepared. And the tech isn't worth a couple hundred bucks.

[Evil troll]

No equipment is needed there, a telephone with network connection is enough.

[mvg]

a phone with access to the network is enough

Are you a streamer or are you just posting a video on Instagram or VK? Maybe you shouldn't climb where you don't fumble?
https://unitsolutions.ru/blog/stati/oborudovanie-dlya-strima-chto-nuzhno-i-kak-vybrat

[Evil troll]

Maybe you shouldn't go where you are not fumbling? Any more or less modern smartphone allows you to stream online, the same periscope is built on this.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: mvg

The news raises a lot of questions

Seemingly simple question: How did the video of the stream end up on the internet? Did she shoot online? Did you broadcast the strand?
If I understand everything correctly, this requires a rather sickly equipment. Those. to receive "guests" must be thoroughly prepared. And the tech isn't worth a couple hundred bucks.

Google the word stream. Sit down, 2

[mvg]

Sit down, 2

Volchara, I gave a professional streamer a lift on Monday, his car broke down. The guy, Misha, is broadcasting Paintball, there was 30 kg of equipment on it, it's a pity he didn't take a picture .. One video capture card costs 12-15 rubles. Look at Alex007 or Zerg on YouTube, what is on the table.
PS: With a phone, you can shoot a video and put it on the Internet .. this is not a stream. This is for the housewives. Those guys, a la KGB, would immediately take away the phone.

[Aviator_]

If I understand everything correctly, this requires a rather sickly equipment.

Well, yes, the equipment is an ordinary telephone with Internet access. Only for 6 - 8 kilo rubles, a more budgetary option is also possible. So you get it wrong.

[Turist1996]

Oga, Tomich_1987. That is why I am of this age among you I meet such eternal discontent .. discontent with the "regime" ..
You, who were born in 87, were not allowed to live “cut”: they did not live in the Soviet Union at a conscious age, the 90s flew by like children, in the 2000s the parents cherished the survivors.
Generation of parasites !!!

[Understanding]

A superextremist, however ... Go and wrote on the oppositional topic and, as usual, they came for him. And since no resistance was expected, they entered calmly. Therefore, the buckshot shot reached the goal.

[Tomich_1987]

And you watch the video posted by the KGB. There's a Hollywood movie there. Strongly looks like a decree.

[210ox]

Hollywood movies are in your head.

[El Barto]

It’s a pity that the woman didn’t roll him there.
Well. Now the addresses will go with heavy ones

[Andrey VOV]

Do you write from Belarus or Belarus, but in the Russian Federation?

[210ox]

Is not it so? Nice people ... Alone with a gun and ready to shoot. No, he is not a super extremist, but a complete villain. They got along still gently that they didn’t put the woman down. And they could-jumped into the line of fire with the phone. After all, I continued to shoot, after they put her ingot.

[alexmach]

Is not it so? Nice people ... Alone with a gun and ready to shoot

Well, it's worth noting that he is at home.

[210ox]

So what. The police demanded to open the door. He grabbed the gun. This is fine?

[alexmach]

So what. The police demanded to open the door. He grabbed the gun. This is fine?

Yes, it's a tough question to be honest.
Did the police provide legal grounds for their claim?
And taking into account the situation in the country where these activists are simply "nightmares" on this they are baptized?

[210ox]

Come on. Nightmares. This is the NORMAL reaction of the state to attempts to overthrow the government in the country. This is how any NORMAL state should act. They are not collected at the stadium, they are not shot in groups as in the early 70s in Chile. What did they want, what kind of response to threats would deal with employees and their families?

[alexmach]

This is the NORMAL reaction of the state to attempts to overthrow the government in the country.

But for some, a normal reaction is to defend when they just grab you and take you to beat ..

In general, this is an echo of the power confrontation in the Belarusian society and, unfortunately, not the last one.

PS: I am reading here in parallel a discussion of the same event here and on the forum of Ukrainian programmers. Key points.
- Hero.
- It was necessary to prepare the defense better - I would have killed five
- This is what happens when you come to terms with totalitarianism ... if the Maidan lost, we would have it the same way (and how is it with you now, damn it?)

[210ox]

It looks like we have different heroes. Anyway. Treat this tragedy as a draw

[210ox]

Yes, and by the way. In "democratic" Ukraine, people were burned, an opposition blogger was killed and a lot of atrocities were committed, I am already silent about Donbass. And I don't care about their opinions. Personally, I realized for myself, there is nothing to stand on ceremony with these characters.

[alexmach]

Yes, and by the way. In "democratic" Ukraine, people were burned, killed ..

Believe it or not, they also have arguments for all this .. What? well, strange.

[Santa Fe]

But for some, a normal reaction is to defend when they just grab you and take you to beat ..

The civilian has no right to any reaction

The silovik is always right, behind him is the power and the state

[Revival]

Right, right we see.
Evsyukov you probably mean?

[Santa Fe]

Major Evsyukov was not on duty. And acted like a private person

[Revival]

Yes, so directly acted very stupid, there was no chance

[www3]

but how did you determine that the police ??? behind the door there is a group of incomprehensible citizens without uniforms and identification marks! and the terrorist called 2 !!! 102 times, that unknown people are bursting into his apartment!
you are probably on any shout - the police, become a stretch?))

[Revival]

You undertook to discuss human rights and dignity with a person who, in principle, denies the existence of human rights and dignity.
"The civilian has no right to any reaction at all," something like that.
So the question is rhetorical ...

[www3]

"He who is blind from birth will never gain sight"

[Revival]

After these speeches by Lukash:
“You know, there is sometimes no time for laws. We must take tough measures to stop all rubbish. "

The reactions are quite predictable.
Himself, I think, he does not consider himself rubbish

[www3]

his weapon was official !!!
or all hunters agulom in terrorists write down ???

[Revival]

Do you think they won't write it down?
Anyone will be recorded

[knn54]

It is correct that the Republic of Belarus did not abolish the execution, as the VMN did.
And the KGB RB is worthy of respect,

[Understanding]

For what respect? For lack of professionalism? Grab buckshot from a computer bespectacled ... so-so respect. We got used to knitting timid calves ...

[user]

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We got used to knitting timid calves ...

If they start to blame yours, well, for example, like in the Caucasus - if something is simply driven by the armored personnel carrier and blown up the buildings and no problems, then the roar will rise - they offend the innocent, excessive cruelty and so on. ... ... ...

After this incident, you will see for yourself how they will now be taken.
On the other hand, what else did you expect? We sent a calf with a gun, and now wait for a reply.
Probably counting on the fact that having US citizenship, they will be worn with him, as with a written sack. Well, what about a citizen of such a country, and they have abandoned how many such people in Afghanistan, and what can I say about this?

[raw174]

As I understand it, they took it in an apartment, that is, in a small, enclosed space, where there is no room for maneuver. And buckshot doesn’t care, the bespectacled man is holding a gun or seeing well, there was probably a shot from a couple of meters, and the bespectacled man can be a good shooter. Apparently they went to capture without a shield ...
Of course, the death of an employee is a tragedy, but such is the service. And to accuse them of unprofessionalism is at least unethical. All employees of detachments and capture groups undergo serious training.

[Understanding]

Why is it not ethical? I pay money to cops not for the fact that they would squint at every address. So there won't be enough taxes for them. And if they have not been trained, then this is how it should be said. And if they spat on their own safety, then I don't have to pity them either.

[210ox]

A very interesting opinion from a character who probably did not even serve in the army.

[Understanding]

If you are me, then I served.

[antikilller55]

Look what an important pepper. Do you pay the cops yourself, or what? I'm sure they can do without your worthless taxes. Even a three-time trained person can make a mistake, as they say about the old woman ... They don't need your pity, you'd better take pity on yourself and take off the crown from your head.

[raw174]

Quote: Understanding

I do not pay money to cops for the fact that they would squint at every address

Have you been calculated for his funeral? The employee went to the seizure, he died during the execution, unfortunately it happens, this is a service. Why? Perhaps they did not calculate, did not properly plan, but the death of an employee does not speak of his unprofessionalism. The guys who serve "on the ground" often risk their heads, they do not shout about this from every iron, but this is so, and not for your taxes.

[Santa Fe]

Why is it not ethical? I do not pay money to cops for the fact that they would squint at every address

The state and law enforcement agencies are not interested in your opinion and questions. You pay taxes because you owe

[alexmach]

All employees of detachments and capture groups undergo serious training.

And they were definitely employees of the capture group, or simple "opera"?

[El Barto]

Opera. We have long been going to such apartments with heavy people. Now and there will be. Let's see what all these "free people" sing

[www3]

the deceased was an employee of "alpha" by the way!

[alexmach]

the deceased was an employee of "alpha" by the way!

I spread my hands. How so? Alpha employee without armor and other special equipment? Is this some other alpha?

Although yes, the photographs drew attention to the weapons in the hands of the KGB-Schniks. The Glocks and Sieg Sauer were identified. They said that it did not look like the wobbly weapon of ordinary operas.

[www3]

I don't have another "alpha" for you)

[Doctor]

It is correct that the Republic of Belarus did not abolish the execution, as the VMN did.
And the KGB RB is worthy of respect,

Something is not particularly visible effect from VMN. On the contrary, there is the largest kipish.

Maybe it's time to fix it at the conservatory?

[210ox]

VMN is not given for opposition activities. This is not Chile of the early 70s, if only they would sit like mice under a broom

[Doctor]

VMN is not given for opposition activities. This is not Chile of the early 70s, if only they would sit like mice under a broom

Well, they don't. He knew what awaited him, but took the weapon. So it is also ready for VMN.

[Revival]

Respect !?

[Seryoga64]

An employee of the republican KGB died from the wound received during this shooting.

Horrible.
My condolences to family and friends

[Seryoga64]

Horrible.
My condolences to family and friends

It looks like someone on the site has no shame left without conscience
For condolences began to minus

[Tomich_1987]

Have you watched the video yet? So beautiful, from multiple cameras. Do you have any doubts?

[Understanding]

Can I refer?

[Cowbra]

https://ria.ru/20210928/kgb-1752226720.html
Wife led the stream ... By the way, she was also bandaged - for complicity.
In general, there is only one question - why did they go to the assault without heavy ones. And rolled - right. And I hope my wife will be given it to the fullest - she is an accomplice in the murder, and in execution. Hopefully lifelong

[Konnick]

In general, there is only one question - why

went to the assault without heavy ones.

They were dressed like bandits. The policeman in uniform had to be taken, and it is dangerous for such unknown persons to open the door. The level of the operatives is below the baseboard, it is surprising that the whole crowd was not put down.

[Understanding]

I watched the video. In the frame, a 32-year-old, not a very smart citizen with a double-barreled gun and fucking relaxed cops. These "pros" did not expect resistance, so they ran into buckshot.
(Admin, sorry, slightly tweaked it.)

[alexmach]

In general, there is only one question - why did they go to the assault without heavy

Because it was not an assault, but a "working out of addresses", and also because there are few "heavy" ones and a lot of addresses ...

[Cowbra]

Why a sledgehammer? Do you understand that a broken door is already called an assault ?! Are there not enough heavy ones? Block the door and windows - and stay for at least a day, this is an apartment, there is only one way out of it, if you are not a climber

[alexmach]

Well .. The KGB is clearly crap there is nothing to argue about - the result is obvious.
Yes .. and IT specialists-zmagars they are, cut off from reality.

[Cowbra]

Here, by the way, is the answer that they clearly came to the right place. Why did he start firing? Was his wife filming at this time? Yes, because it is a duped sect, it is toys for them. He did not kill a man with a wife and children - he is a proud eagle, a fighter against the regime, and next to him is the wife of a Decembrist! there is only one thought in my head - the video will gain likes, I will become a heroic Jean Dark, and everyone will kiss me in the dupa and give me an apartment in Germany with a certificate of the vice-president of Belarus !!!
It. his mother, natural schizo sectarians, like a crazy shooter in Perm - they just do not live in reality. The creatures must be destroyed - just wet.

[alexmach]

Why did he start firing? Was his wife filming at this time?

I say the same fools divorced from reality, well, plus I didn't want to go to Okresteno and felt I was right.

He did not kill a man with a wife and children - he is a proud eagle, a fighter against the regime, and next to him is the wife of a Decembrist

Yes .. something like that.

The creatures must be destroyed - just wet

HZ .. In my opinion, the usual by-product of the confrontation that was in Belarus. That level of cruelty could not but have side effects in the form of corpses. IMHO it's good that now and not at the peak of unrest.

[Roma 1977]

You can't look into everyone's head in order to say in advance who should be wetted right away, and with whom - with a kind word, Lenin's truth, a suspended sentence.

[Naive]

Hearing drunk, can you come to Belarus and explain to us schizo sectarians that we need to get wet? Only there are a lot of us (there are persistent rumors that 97%).

[Roma 1977]

It was just an accident that could have happened and therefore has happened. Losses are inevitable. Any cop or soldier can remember situations when they received two hundredths from scratch. The service is like that.

[Konnick]

Because it was not an assault, but a "working out of addresses", and also because there are few "heavy" addresses and a lot of addresses

And how much is needed to "process addresses", or rather one address?
5 people are not many? And one more operator.

Grygorych was framed specifically.

[alexmach]

And how much is needed to "process addresses", or rather one address?
5 people are not many?

How much do you need? This is an opera and not special forces in special uniforms.

[Konnick]

How much do you need? This is an opera and not special forces in special uniforms

Opera for 6 people do not go to apartments. And these broke into the apartment with weapons in their hands.

[www3]

and therefore they go to work off the address with a sledgehammer and a grinder))
and yes, the IT specialist was officially listed as a hunter!

[www3]

you can diverge!
the chief said that the opera, by its own initiation, decided to break down the door, because 102 from this address received a call asking for help!

[Roma 1977]

No. For complicity, life is not given. And plus - a woman. 10 years maximum. With parole.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tomic_1987

You have already watched the video

Am I talking about the video? I mean condolences to the intelligence officer

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tomic_1987

Do you have any doubts?

What is it? The fact that a secret service officer was killed?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

So you have a personal enemy on VO.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

So you have a personal enemy on VO

And not alone and for a very long time.
But I somehow did not think that it was possible to reach such bestiality

[Sergey M. Karasev]

"When I decided that I had reached the bottom, there was a knock from below." (with)

[sifgame]

If you read the comments of individual characters about this tragedy, you will not sleep for a couple of days in horror. And then the cons.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: sifgame

If you read the comments of individual characters about this tragedy, you will not sleep for a couple of days in horror.

Was reading. I can't get used to such bestiality

[Revival]

Not all condolences can be the same, despite such an important nuance as condolences

[LiSiCyn]

The Belarusian media report that the killed person in the video is the programmer of the IT company EPAM Systems Andrei Zeltser.

The media also write that the "special operation" in the video is a raid on the addresses of those who supported last year's protests in Belarus. In August 2021, Alexander Lukashenko named the chairman of the board of directors of EPAM Systems Arkady Dobkin as one of the sponsors of the protests.

On Zeltser's instagram there is a photo of a double-barreled gun, with which he probably met the raid. Andrey was 32 years old. Together with his wife, they lived in her apartment and raised their young son.

UPD: In addition to Belarus, Andrei Zeltser was a US citizen - media

[Cowbra]

There is a pump in the frame, and your "oppositionist" began to smack without hesitation. Poor one! While the little wife was broadcasting - it is necessary to crush such in the embryo so that they do not multiply

[LiSiCyn]

In the frame, vertical ... Look carefully.

[Cowbra]

Quote: LiSiCyn

In the frame, vertical ...

Well then - understand and forgive!

[Understanding]

The oppositionist is. Of course, it is not good to bring down the cops. But he is not an extremist, an ordinary civilian with a smooth gun. Either he did not understand who was trying to reach him, or he was simply a stupid person.

[Tomich_1987]

Well, yes, and the wife was also stupid and did not understand that her husband was not holding a water pistol, she calmly removed herself from time to time in the line of return fire.
Conclusion: the propagandists overdid it again.

[Cowbra]

He all realized that these were cops - he didn't call the police, along with his little wife. Typical on-going - spherical and in a vacuum - everyone owes me, I'm a bummer, and they owe human rights there, all that, I’ll become famous all over the world, I’ll move to Tikhanovskaya - it’s not in vain that my wife’s stream leads. And the hamster was shown that the world is different from the comics of the State Department, and when you shoot, they shoot back. Well, the earth is glass wool to him

[Understanding]

It's not that the shooter is right. And about the fact that the cops messed up.

[Hyperion]

He seems to have called the police.

[LiSiCyn]

Yes, he understood everything ... Warned.
I didn't want to sit. Now he will lie down ..

[bars876]

So not one will lie down, I think he knew that he would leave and took with him whoever he wanted 1: 1

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: bars876

lie down, I think he knew that he would leave

Why is that.?
Vyshka, it is unlikely that he shone, even if the article is firing squad. I would go to cooperation, knock it off ...

[Roma 1977]

How did he know that he would leave? The administrative order would be issued for him and released. I decided to play D'Artagnan. However, this is indicative for understanding the essence of the protests in Belarus: no cleverness, no imagination, only pioneer enthusiasm.

[Andrey VOV]

They told who .. What the hell for the barrel .. They did it right .. Less hassle

[forcecom]

Rather, he is not at all an intelligent person who reconsidered the militants, this is what kind of talent one has to be in order to start smacking in such a situation, he apparently really decided that he could fight off the security forces, pack up his things and shoot back from the overwhelming "henchmen of the bloody regime" aka Schwarznugger to go across the border to his native Poland.
I would not twitch, I would go to cooperation, I would have received a minimum or even a condition in general, and then I would have torn my claws, and I myself would have been alive and would not have ruined my child's life. And so - "the glory of the dead cannot be warmed, who has not warmed".

[Slon_on]

There is no dual citizenship in the Republic of Belarus. So there will be no 6th fleet.

[Roma 1977]

Some strange surnames for Belarusians "Dobkin", "Zeltser". But citizenship was not strange even then.

[Hindu]

Andrey was ... a young son ...

Right now, everyone burst into tears of pity?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Together with his wife, they lived in her apartment and raised their young son.

By the way, where was the son then and now?

[BISMARCK94]

On the Internet vidos walks, there the security forces look like ordinary civilians. IMHO this is an additional risk. Some men with trunks are breaking down to you and think who it is

[Palestinian]

in any case, firearms were used ... whoever said what ... you need to punish for this

[Tomich_1987]

Quote: Cowbra

Wife led the stream.

This raises the most questions.
In addition, the journalists have already phoned the neighbors of this Zeltser and none of them heard the shots. Strange, isn't it?

[Avior]

They write that a raid took place to detain the Belarusians who participated in last year's speeches. The man worked in IT and lived with his wife and child. When they began to break down the door, and his wife was filming what was happening, he fired from a hunting rifle. The man was shot, his wife was arrested, as they say, for filming what was happening.

[Tomich_1987]

And at the end of the video, you can see how she continues to shoot after her husband was shot and even appears in the doorway. Does she have a self-preservation instinct? The more I watch this video, the more it becomes obvious that this is not a very skillful production.

[Avior]

Shocked I think
We were just sleeping peacefully, and suddenly they were pounding into the apartment and the door was kicked out, my husband was killed in front of our eyes.

[Tomich_1987]

Just slept peacefully

According to the KGB, it was about 2 pm.

[alexa100974]

That is? Everyone is alive and nobody killed anyone?
Will we still see Zeltser alive?
This level of performance is only done in Ukraine, when Babchenko was smeared with pig's blood.

[Roma 1977]

Everything will fall into place, if we take into account that zmagars are people who are not quite adequate.

[El Barto]

That is why all weapons should be banned in cities. This incident clearly shows what all this howl about "resolve the short-barreled" is. And the whole degree of inadequacy of all these "gun lovers", "champions of freedom and manhood." That's what they need a weapon for - to shoot at cops and normal people.
If you want a weapon, keep it in the gun of a shooting club 50 km from the city.

It’s a pity that this little bugger’s woman wasn’t dumped in the same place.

And now to go to all addresses with heavy and immediately muzzle to the floor, and with resistance to blame without hesitation

[Hypertension]

Quote: El Barto

If you want a weapon, keep it in the gun of a shooting club 50 km from the city.

"The dagger is good for the one who has it, and bad for the one who does not have it at the right time." (C)
The whole point of owning a weapon (not counting hunting) is the ability to protect your life from the attack of bandits. Or should I tell the criminals - guys, wait an hour, I'll hit the road to the gun and back? Another question is that shooting back from the police / KGB is the last thing.

[Eug]

My condolences to the loved ones of the deceased. But the question is - how did they (the shooter) installed him, in the installation data that there was no information about the presence of a firearm? And if they did, then why did they not observe safety measures?

[Nyrobsky]

Sorry for the opera, condolences to family and friends.

[Lara Croft]

Andrei Seltzer

go to MASSAD worked ...

[Tomich_1987]

So they said that he was a US citizen. Zhidomason I suppose.

[Tomich_1987]

A few questions about the information about the shootout and the murder of two people in Minsk:
1) the apartment is filmed from two cameras;
2) at least one operator on the landing;
3) people in civilian clothes without identification marks and body armor break into the apartment of a "particularly dangerous criminal suspected of terrorist activity"
4) during the shootout, the man with the camera and the wife with the camera continue to shoot
5) the final video was edited professionally enough from several angles;
6) where is the search warrant?
7) where are the bodies of the killed?
8) where is the smoke from the shots
9) at the end of the video, fingers are on the triggers, which is unacceptable in a similar situation
10) in the video from the apartment, you can see the reflection in the corridor from the mirror of the wardrobe. There is a man in gray
11) the sound from different cameras should be different, and not as one sound track
12) shots in an enclosed space will be deafening, and not like pneumatics
13) the gray pistol is very similar to the toy one.
14) the woman's behavior is very strange. Instead of hysterics, helping her husband or trying to hide, she runs out into the corridor, where there is a shootout and continues to shoot.
15) why did they not shoot at the woman when she jumped out into the corridor? In a split second, it is impossible to tell what is in her hands: a gun or a telephone.
16) Where did the man in gray shoot? In the back to your partner if he was in the doorway. Or into the closet, if he ran into the room. Both are unprofessional. In Belarus, less harsh criminals are going to take special forces, in this case it should have been "Alpha", and not strange operatives ...

[donavi49]

So, the KGB officially recognized the loss. What's the point in creating theories here? Or was he sacrificed on the altar in Lukashenka’s residence and is now being written off?

This IT specialist put the camera-phone on the shelf and from there he filmed.
The task force stormed the address. Why did she stormed the address? Perhaps they worked out the list and usually it went according to the type - they opened the door, talked, who was registered on the spot, who was taken to the department and everything was +/- by agreement. And then they did not open the door and decided to break in on their own. However, they had a gas cutter and a sledgehammer there.
The smoke from the shots got stuck in the 18-19th centuries sorry.
There is always vanity in the address. Especially when you consider that this is a task force.
Why the heavy ones (not necessarily Alpha) were not called - here is the main question. Again, the gun is apparently official. That is, 100% got into the summary during the working off. Only the presence of a gun, is already a reason to call a group with a shield, and not burst into jackets to cover up the shot / buckshot.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: donavi49

Why weren't they called heavy (not necessarily Alpha) - here is the main question

There is infa that it was Alpha. An operative, callsign Nirvana, was killed.
Why in civilian life and without heavy ...

[El Barto]

The shield itself is not a panacea. They are now shooting at the walls and ceiling to ricochet the soldiers of the shield group. Such people at once need a Bumblebee.

Although in this particular case, a shield would most likely help

[donavi49]

In this particular case, apparently, even a banal plate-maker with a stove would help. The deceased has extensive blood loss and damage to internal organs. That is, it flew to the center of the hull.

[Andrey VOV]

You will receive answers to these questions in the KGB of Belarus.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tomic_1987

In Belarus, less harsh criminals are going to take special forces, in this case it should have been "Alpha", and not strange operatives ...

Apparently he was not considered "tough", he is a programmer, not an action movie.

[Kittymoore]

1. For some reason, KGB officers are presented as militia / police.
2. "Especially dangerous criminal" is taken by guys in sneakers, caps and jackets.
3. The guy with the gun has photos of this very gun in the insta, but the Belarusian gebnya, apparently, is banned there or did not think to monitor the social network of the "especially dangerous"

Why this hut is being stormed at all is unclear.

[donavi49]

The hut is being stormed - because that's the way it should be. Introduced as simpler.

Here is the very fact of the lungs flying into the hut, where the owners are clearly not eager to cooperate - this is a flight in itself. I would understand, if now there are Maidan and all personnel on the road, that the officer task forces are storming the huts of the suspects. But now everything is quiet. The FSB / Ministry of Internal Affairs unlearned how to break in in the 90s, when it flew into the short-barreled bandits / AKSU with grants in the address. Apparently, the KGB has not had much of such experience yet.

If anything, the same moron - who called to kill the police at the rally and then pissed himself during interrogation, took a collection with shields, and the task force only for registration / interrogation.

[Kittymoore]

I'm more interested in when (and whether or not) a complete video recording of all events will be available, including from that woman's phone. So far, there are more questions than answers.

[Maks1995]

In the video, people who look like gopniks are breaking into the apartment ...
there are no announcements that these are state security officials in the video ...
Didn't you count on inadequacy?

[Tomich_1987]

If such a garbage happened in the United States, the detainee would have put everything out of a shotgun and would have received compensation from the state for ridding the police of the morons.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tomic_1987

If this kind of bullshit happened in the United States, the detainee

would lay in the grave with his woman.

[Understanding]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

At 31 years old? Seriously?

Absolutely. You can live as a juvenile dolt until old age. Some people do it.

[Cowbra]

By the way, his children have already recorded him as a "young programmer")))

[Thompson]

Quote: Understanding

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

At 31 years old? Seriously?

Absolutely. You can live as a juvenile dolt until old age. Some people do it.

Your example clearly shows this. When will you take the gun?

[ork_333]

Quote: Tomic_1987

The news raises a lot of questions. Perhaps another fake of Lukashenka.

It doesn't even seem to me anymore, but it's absolutely clear - you are either a bot or a "fighter against the regime". Every news from Belarus evokes the same reaction in you. Maybe call Tikhanovskaya or Navalny? Let them replenish your vocabulary - show off your feeble mind and repeating phrase.

[Avior]

it's unclear what is
judging by the website of the Belarusian KGB, all this happened

During special events to work out addresses where persons involved in terrorist activities could be

http://kgb.by/ru/news-ru/view/v-xode-provedenija-spetsialnyx-meroprijatij-po-otrabotke-adresov-v-kotoryx-mogli-naxoditsja-litsa-prichastnye-199/
Obviously, it was not about the arrest of a specific criminal or specific criminals in general, or about a search of the premises in a legal manner. Nowhere in the video or in the KGB message is there a word that a lawful search warrant was issued.
What kind of investigative action is this in Belarus - "working off addresses" that allows you to break down doors and break into any apartment?
In the Belarusian Criminal Procedure Code, there is not a word about such an investigative action - "working off addresses".
https://etalonline.by/document/?regnum=hk9900295
But there is a completely civilized article 14

Article 14. Inviolability of home and other legal possessions

1. The inviolability of the home and other legal possessions of individuals and legal entities is guaranteed by law. No one has the right to enter a dwelling and other legal possession of a person against his will.

2. Search, seizure, inspection of premises, performance of other procedural actions related to intrusion into dwellings and other legal possessions may be carried out only on the grounds and in the manner prescribed by this Code.

Is it valid or has it already been canceled in Belarus?

[Hyperion]

"Sometimes it is not up to the laws" ©

[Tomich_1987]

Let's just turn this page

[Tomich_1987]

Is it valid or has it already been canceled in Belarus?

In Belarus, there are no laws, but concepts. As the mustachioed godfather said - that is the law.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Avior

What kind of investigative action is this in Belarus - "working off addresses" that allows you to break down doors and break into any apartment?

It is called "not up to the laws" and the desire to show its usefulness.
Less than a month ago, for example, they flew into the office of the non-state organization "Ahova Ptushak Batkaushchyny" under the same pretexts. Its current head, during my student days, was in charge of field zoological practice and is not attracted to a "terrorist".
The most terrible terrorist organization, as well as organizations for the support and protection of the rights of persons with disabilities, which the state does not care about. And which are now being eliminated.

Quote: Avior

Is it valid or has it already been canceled in Belarus?

There are no more laws. The right of the "strong man" is in effect, and these are peasants with weapons and without identification marks. In masks, the coronavirus is the same.

[sgapich]

Quote: Avior

... In the Belarusian Criminal Procedure Code there is not a word about such an investigative action - "working off addresses".
... Is it valid or has it already been canceled in Belarus? ...

There is such a concept of "operational necessity" when for some reason references to the Criminal Procedure Code do not work. Somehow he didn't have to take part in the seizure himself, but during the first contract he had to take testimony from the general in the Nord-Ost case. Yes, then he served in the military prosecutor's office.

[Avior]

And what does the operational necessity have to do with it, if we are talking about a previously planned event?
A search warrant had to be obtained if there were grounds.
There is no operational need, judging by what they wrote.

[hhurik]

I don’t know how in Belarus - in Russia the legislation quite allows competent authorities to break into an apartment outside the framework of a criminal case.
Under the initiated criminal case - yes, everything is done according to Feng Shui, i.e. search or seizure of a home by a court decision. Well, if you really need it, you can do without it, the corresponding procedure for legitimizing an urgent search is spelled out in the Criminal Procedure Code.
But there are a lot of other legal ways: for example, to conduct a public inspection of premises, buildings, structures, terrain and vehicles in order to search for traces of criminal activity, instruments of crime, wanted criminals within the framework of the ORD (i.e., without initiating a criminal case) , as well as obtaining other information necessary for solving the tasks of the ORD. It is very often used - for example, when solving crimes related to pranks in the sphere of illegal circulation of weapons and ammunition.
Finally, the Police Law expressly stipulates the right of police officers to enter a home:
1) to save the lives of citizens and (or) their property, to ensure the safety of citizens or public safety in the event of riots and emergencies;
2) for the arrest of persons suspected of committing a crime;
3) for the suppression of a crime;
4) to establish the circumstances of the accident.
In this case, you can break the locking devices, but sacredly keep the secret of private life.
I suspect that in Belarus there is a copy of these laws of the Russian Federation, so everything is sunny from this side.

[Avior]

And none of these points in this case
No one was saved, the crime was not stopped, there were no accidents.

[hhurik]

I am embarrassed to ask - where does this information come from? By the way, what about the missing wording "for the arrest of persons suspected of committing a crime" - was there a person / persons or what? Tell, once in the topic of the operational kitchen of the KGB in this case.

[Avior]

I am guided by information from the KGB website. The link is above.
And there are none of these points.
As for point three, if there was information that there was a criminal in the apartment, they should have received a warrant to search the apartment - not a word about it on the website or in the video.
However, I admit that now it will appear retroactively.

[hhurik]

I am guided by Russian legislation, I don’t know how it is in Belarus. But I suppose - as in Russia, because the legislation is still growing from the Foundations of the times of the USSR, there they even left the name of the office - the KGB -.
I see that you do not see the difference at all between a search, a public inspection as an operational-search measure and the powers of the police in the process of suppressing crimes. Your favorite "sanction" in relation to the procedural action "search" has not been applied in Russia since the time of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR. Why rustle terms, the meaning of which - you do not understand?

[Avior]

as it is in Belarus - I do not know.

If you don't know, why are you writing then? Study first

7. Inspection of a dwelling and other legal possession is carried out only with the consent of the owner or adults living in it or by order of the investigator, the body of inquiry with the sanction of the prosecutor or his deputy, which must be presented before the start of the inspection, and with the participation of attesting witnesses.

1. On the conduct of a search and seizure by the investigator, the body of inquiry shall issue a resolution. A resolution on the conduct of a search, as well as the seizure of documents containing state secrets or other secrets protected by law, must be authorized by the prosecutor or his deputy, unless they are carried out by a resolution of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Republic of Belarus, Chairman of the State Security Committee of the Republic of Belarus or persons executing their responsibilities.

[hhurik]

I am writing because I know I don’t know. Here is such a funny eccentric. But the funny thing is that you generally have no idea where to look and what to refer to, which is much funnier.
For example, a quote about a search and seizure means that you are rustling with the definitions of the local Criminal Procedure Code, which I should look at for scrap. In other words, criminal proceedings after initiation: and again we return to the fact that the powers of different competent authorities are spelled out in different sources of law and the Criminal Procedure Code is only a part of them.
The simplest search for the KGB of Belarus tag gives a link to the legal basis of the activity of this office, where:

Article 18. Rights of employees of state security bodies
- enter without hindrance, if necessary with damage to locking devices and other objects, at any time of the day into residential premises and other legal possessions of citizens, into premises and other objects of state bodies and other organizations and inspect them when pursuing persons suspected of committing a crime, or if there are sufficient grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or committed there, the inquiry and preliminary investigation on which the legislative acts of the Republic of Belarus are referred to the jurisdiction of the state security bodies, or there is a person who has hidden from the bodies conducting the criminal process, with the subsequent notification of this to the prosecutor within twenty four hours;
To rustle with norms, you need an understanding of the process, at least at a basic level, and you do not distinguish operational-search measures from investigative actions.

[Avior]

examine them when pursuing persons suspected of committing a crime, or if there are sufficient grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or committed there

No need to dust
Read the KGB website
The specific suspect was not pursued, there was no reason to believe that a crime was being committed or committed there

[www3]

so Lukashenka himself said - sometimes it is not up to the laws!)
in the Republic of Belarus no laws have been in effect for a long time!

[www3]

but how do you like this wording - "They acted illegally, trying to use the elections to change the government"?

[APASUS]

To be honest, the siloviki are strange among the Belarusians. How can you go to an assault and not have uniforms? Just took a shield with me and would be alive

[Tomich_1987]

Because someone is lying. Especially dangerous are not so detained.

[Avior]

To be honest, the security forces are strange among the Belarusians. How can you go to the assault?

More than strange.
how can you go to storm a home without a search warrant?
It seems clear why the video is not completely given, but edited.
It looks like the cut-out pieces from those who break open the door require documents for a search and warn that if they try to illegally enter the apartment, he will shoot.

[APASUS]

Quote: Avior

It looks like the cut-out pieces from those who break open the door require documents for a search and warn that if they try to illegally enter the apartment, he will shoot.

Then my words in general to the point where they began to break, already knowing in advance that they would meet resistance? This speaks just about professionalism.
I do not exclude that someone is whistling very strongly here.

[Avior]

judging by the message on the KGB website

to work out addresses where persons involved in terrorist activities could be

http://kgb.by/ru/news-ru/view/v-xode-provedenija-spetsialnyx-meroprijatij-po-otrabotke-adresov-v-kotoryx-mogli-naxoditsja-litsa-prichastnye-199/
it turns out that they were not looking for a specific person, and did not know if there was any suspect in the apartment at all
and, judging from the message, this was not the only such apartment was, it was just that others were not shot, so no one knows how many of these cases were

[Black5Raven]

Quote: APASUS

I do not exclude that someone is whistling very strongly here.

The edited video from all angles was uploaded to the state media in the evening on the same day.
Not the first and not the last time like this. True, usually one pensioner declares, and an hour later, videos and specialized reports are mounted on TV, and the "malicious terrorists" are found and testify for the delight of that very pensioner.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Avior

More than strange.
how can you go to storm a home without a search warrant?

There is such a thing as an operational necessity, when a suspect can destroy evidence, or even mess with a bunch of corpses. There is no time for legal subtleties and all questions of legitimacy are settled afterwards.
Judging by the fact that this pretzel decided to kill the employee, he had something to hide.

[Avior]

There is such a thing as an operational necessity, when a suspect can destroy evidence, or even mess with a bunch of corpses.

there is. Only judging by the statement on the KGB website, they did not go to detain a specific person at a specific address. What operational need can be if they themselves declare that they did not know who is in the apartment specifically?
Judging by the statement and the video, he started shooting after the door to the apartment was knocked out.
However, I think that now a search warrant, and some attesting witnesses, will suddenly appear in retrospect. Only the video will not show us where it was presented, or announced about it.

[El Barto]

Oh, these "lawyers" are self-taught to me. If the employees have reason to believe that a criminal is hiding in the premises or a crime is being committed, they have the right to enter there by force. And no warrant or order is needed.
Here the question is why themselves without heavy ones.
You could understand. Moreover, they went to an IT specialist, which is already an indicator of potential inadequacy

[alexmach]

If the employees have reason to believe that a criminal is hiding in the premises or a crime is being committed, they have the right to enter there by force.

Yeah .. but did they have such a basis?

Moreover, they went to an IT specialist, which is already an indicator of potential inadequacy

I would like to ask, as an IT specialist, whose inadequacy is that? Yours?

[Avior]

If the employees have reason to believe that a criminal is hiding in the premises or a crime is being committed, they have the right to enter there by force.

Before they broke the door, no crime was committed there.
From the statement on the KGB website it is clear that they did not look for a specific criminal and did not know about his presence in the apartment, but went to different addresses

[El Barto]

They arrived by calling the hotline. And most likely the delay in refusing to open the door was perceived as the fact that important evidence was being destroyed in the apartment (they erase information on the computer, contact accomplices, something else like that)

[Avior]

Hindsight fiction
The site said something completely different

[www3]

and therefore for a while they are kolupat with the door))
allowing the criminal to destroy evidence and contact accomplices)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Avior

There is such a thing as an operational necessity, when a suspect can destroy evidence, or even mess with a bunch of corpses.

there is. Only judging by the statement on the KGB website, they did not go to detain a specific person at a specific address. What operational need can be if they themselves declare that they did not know who is in the apartment specifically?
Judging by the statement and the video, he started shooting after the door to the apartment was knocked out.
However, I think that now a search warrant, and some attesting witnesses, will suddenly appear in retrospect. Only the video will not show us where it was presented, or announced about it.

I am not discussing the specific circumstances of this incident. I have given clarifications to your specific question -

Quote: Avior

how can you go to storm a home without a search warrant?

Sometimes there is simply no time or opportunity to resolve the case with the approval of the prosecutor.
It would be the height of idiocy if, having received operational information, for example, that some terrorist had closed in the apartment and would start cutting off the heads of the hostages from minute to minute, the task force was busy obtaining a warrant. It is strange that there were four iodine-deficient people who could not comprehend this simple truth and were marked with minuses.

[Avior]

Obviously, your explanation has nothing to do with this case.
He did not cut anyone's head, and was there with his wife and child, did not hide from anyone, permanently lived in an apartment and had a permanent place of work.
Of course, there are situations when it is required to enter an apartment without a search warrant. But this is clearly not the case, as can be seen from the KGB website.

[Tomich_1987]

And in the photo on the monument, the allegedly deceased Cobain fan will be wearing a balaclava?

[Andrey VOV]

There were ordinary operas ... now they are working in the amplification mode, they are relaxed, tired ... they did not expect the IT specialist to shoot ..
in the 90s, after the explosions, we sat on reinforcement ... after a week, everything was already in a fog and still ...
At 98, a call came to the duty room, an elderly mother complained that a drunken son would not let him go home .. a group of district police officers and an inspector of licensing and permitting work, who was on duty that day, knocked on the door, they could not break it ... once. , another .. turned to leave, and then this bitch with a kitchen knife jumped out and Valerka right in his heart ... died on the spot .. the ghoul back into the apartment, the door was already kicked out, they put it down ... sorry they didn't kill it on the spot .. 17 years old bastard got ..
Then there was a showdown, why the opera group left without bulletproof vests ... and on such a trip, six months later, he himself received a charge of shot, well not buckshot ... so ... alas, he is such a human factor.

[unaha]

Judging by the video, a gang of unidentified persons in civilian life breaks into a citizen's housing. Most likely without documents and grounds.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: unaha

a gang of unidentified persons in civilian life breaks into a citizen's housing. Most likely without documents and grounds.

For a request to provide documents or introduce yourself in the Republic of Belarus, you automatically fly off for 30 days of arrest or a fine of tens of thousands.
If on the street you see that unidentified brothers without uniforms and with weapons are grabbing people and dragging them into a tinted bead, you should know that this is the "police".

[Tomich_1987]

Belarus is immediately visible! Discontinue!

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Tomic_1987

Belarus is immediately visible!

A Belarusian can be seen here by dozens of cons and an account on the verge of being banned because of them.
Mine, too, will not be long.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Black5Raven

For a request to provide documents or introduce yourself in the Republic of Belarus, you automatically fly off for 30 days of arrest or a fine of tens of thousands.

Then such a case is naturally predictable and far from the last.
Lawlessness from above sooner or later stumbles upon a response from below, from those who are not ready to endure.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: And Us Rat

Then such a case is naturally predictable and far from the last.

People in uniform today are not at all subject to jurisdiction. Since 2020, there has not been a single case when any statement of citizens on charges against "law enforcement officers" was given a move. Public outcry, videos, witnesses, medical examinations and otherwise are not valid. If a contract concluded in advance with a lawyer was considered a burdensome factor, after all, the person had "prepared" in advance. Do I need to say anything else?
The last high-profile case when a drunken riot policeman killed a retired soldier in a fight on the territory of a Minsk restaurant. The case is on the brakes and hushed up. No information.
And here we are talking about some documents.

[And Us Rat]

Well what can I say, it's all sad. But I personally believe that every nation has (or have) the government it deserves.
Since the protests have died out, and have not grown into a revolution, it means that the people still have a reserve of "patience", and the servicemen (and they are also from the people) are ready to serve the tyranny for a fat ration, instead of taking the side of the people, that means so their mom and dad (from the same people) brought up.
So, those who feel bad there just need to leave. Tea is not the GDR or the DPRK, there is no need to run through a minefield. And excuses about the fact that there is no money to move, this is bullshit, it means that everything is not so bad.
Here, migrants from Africa are really bad, since they are ready to walk across half a continent with an armful of children with a bare seat, and then swim across the Mediterranean on a raft made of garbage.
Something like this.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: And Us Rat

Here migrants from africa really feel bad, since they are ready with a bare seat

These bare-chested migrants pay tens of thousands of dollars per person for crossings. Most Belarusians have never seen such money and will never see it. And now they will not see it, 35% only according to official data receive less than 195 dollars a month. And only 5% of the famous "papizzots".

Quote: And Us Rat

Once the protests have died away

They did not die out, but were suppressed by force. Twenty-five years of disarming the population have borne fruit. A fragmented society devoid of a single organizational center like the Polish Solidarity.

Quote: And Us Rat

and the servicemen (and they are also from the people) are ready to serve the tyranny for a fat ration, instead of taking the side of the people, that means that their mother and father (from the same people) raised them.

Everything is the same, twenty years of selection of the most unprincipled thugs ready for a pension at 45, an apartment in Minsk and a ration to kill and trample all laws. No one left behind. And in the army too.

Quote: And Us Rat

So, for those who feel bad there, you just need to leave there.

They are leaving. According to Polish data alone, they already have more than 100.000 people, the approximate numbers in Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia are from 3 to ten thousand. How many people were able to leave for the Russian Federation through the "closed" border and into other countries cannot be counted.

So the Russian Federation may have her old dream. She will receive a Belarusian territory full of pensioners and poor state employees led by a "young and energetic leader." He won't get people. The attitude towards Russia is hopelessly spoiled, only she will not find out about it. Exitpoles and polls are now also prohibited.

In general, I see no reason to continue this topic. And without her, it's rotten at heart.

PS Thank you for your conversation and opinion different from the majority of the inhabitants of this forum regarding our situation. thanks

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Black5Raven

These bare-chested migrants pay tens of thousands of dollars per person for crossings.

Where do u million people from countries where $ 1 a day is a high salary, will they take "tens of thousands"? Be realistic.

Quote: Black5Raven

Twenty-five years of disarming the population have borne fruit. A fragmented society devoid of a single organizational center ...

Yes, they definitely deserved it, allowing themselves to be brought to the point where it is too late to drink Borjomi for 20 years.

Quote: Black5Raven

Everything is the same, twenty years of selection of the most unprincipled thugs ready for a pension at 45, an apartment in Minsk and a ration to kill and trample all laws. No one left behind. And in the army too.

Yes, by the way, such a selection has a reverse side of the coin. Punishers, accustomed to pinching unarmed and defenseless, usually scatter like rats in a skirmish with real enemy soldiers.

Quote: Black5Raven

They are leaving. According to Polish data alone, they already have more than 100.000 people, the approximate numbers in Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia are from 3 to ten thousand. How many people were able to leave for the Russian Federation through the "closed" border and into other countries cannot be counted.

And rightly so, success to all of them in a new place.

Quote: Black5Raven

Thank you for your conversation and opinion different from the majority of the inhabitants of this forum regarding our situation.

You're welcome.

[Roma 1977]

That is why I recommend that everyone, in any incomprehensible situation, stand facing the wall with their hands behind their heads and not be insolent, and then protest or, there, receive a residence permit in Poland as a political refugee. To make everyone feel good.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Roma-1977

I recommend that everyone, in any incomprehensible situation, stand facing the wall with their hands behind their heads

And then the master and his guardsmen will be angry? There are laws and one of them directly states that an employee of the "Organs" MUST introduce himself.

[Roma 1977]

The officers of the authorities just entered the apartment to introduce themselves. The client did not want to communicate.

[Avior]

Before they came in, they broke down the door

[Roma 1977]

Disorder. I would break down the wall.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Roma-1977

The officers of the authorities just entered the apartment to introduce themselves.

For a request to "employees" without a uniform to introduce yourself in Belarus for a month, you go to jail and neither witness testimony, nor video recording of this fact will save you from this.

A recent case that surfaced in the still-surviving media perfectly confirms this.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roma-1977

I recommend that everyone, in any incomprehensible situation, stand facing the wall with their hands behind their heads and not be daring

Even if they are bandos who came to rob, rape and kill?
Are you encouraging everyone to be patient? Resignedly to go like cattle to the slaughterhouse?
There are people who would rather die standing than live on their knees.
Such people went to the partisans and fought against the fascists, despite the chances of success and the instinct of self-preservation.
By the way, the Nazis also called these terrorists.

[Roma 1977]

In this case, the client knew that he had committed an offense, and they came to him who was needed and in the case. No need to provoke the police to use force - you won't like that (and the cops also don't like shooting people - incredible, but true!). But there are people who have a motto for life: "Dementia and courage!" What was the client thinking when shooting the officer? You can kill a policeman, but you cannot defeat the police: in the Russian Federation, they still find and imprison or shut their eyes to horsemen, who in the 90s thought that Allah loved them. And the partisans, in fact, went completely different people - namely: these are the specialists from the NKVD, who organized from a heterogeneous semi-civilian population a semblance of an army behind enemy lines. But BCHB-shniki in those days just served the Nazis in the orderly ranks of policemen. And since then, their kagbe ideology has not changed much.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roma-1977

In this case, the client knew he had committed an offense.

Which? What article of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus prohibits participation in protests?

Quote: Roma-1977

No need to provoke the police

Unclear plainclothes apricots are pounding at me, waving their bagpipes, despite the fact that I am definitely not a criminal, and I, like, should take their word for it that they are the police? I would also shoot.

Quote: Roma-1977

in the Russian Federation, they still find and plant or close their eyes on horsemen, who in the 90s thought that Allah loved them.

In the Russian Federation, police officers represent themselves in uniform when interacting with ordinary citizens in the process of operational work, wear uniforms and do not behave like a gang of raiders.
And here it was clearly not the al-Qaeda cell that was taken and not the nest of the mafia.
Tukhlyak is everything.

Quote: Roma-1977

These are the experts from the NKVD, who organized from a heterogeneous semi-civilian population a semblance of an army behind enemy lines. But BCHB-shniki in those days just served the Nazis in the orderly ranks of policemen.

Save the cliché for those who have noodles on their ears.
In the Second World War, there were thousands of NKVD-schniks who changed their shoes in a jump and ran to lick the heels of the invaders and tens of thousands of ordinary schoolchildren, women, invalids and old people who did not have any military training, who beat and burned the Nazis as best they could, often killing themselves.

[Roma 1977]

"Thousands of NKVD Schnicks"? Yah? There is no need to pretend that the KGB is looking for millet by "protesters" - there is enough of a district police officer. The KGB comes on a tip from agents to those who have all the stigma in the gun. And Zeltser was aware of this.

[Avior]

... In this case, the client knew he had committed an offense

How do you know? What is the offense? Officially, there is nothing. Did an inner voice tell you?

[El Barto]

Already disclosed info - there was an anonymous call

[Avior]

Tales from the Vienna Woods in hindsight
The reason is written on the KGB website, when they realized that they had written nonsense, we went to composers

[www3]

probably from Nick and Mike or again from Frau A?))

[Looking for]

even in your favorite amerike. where problems with weapons do not seem to be worth. the police strongly advise in such situations to obediently fulfill ALL the requirements of the criminals and not play "heroes" Probably a lot of American militants look.

[Adimius38]

For some reason, I noticed this too. Explanations of the KGB that shooting from an apartment for the sake of HYIP is generally nonsense.

[unaha]

The usual manner of the "siloviki" is not to expect any resistance from the "political" ones. They are not criminal, they will not poke with a screwdriver. And this time with US citizenship, probably forgot where exactly "my home is my fortress".

[Understanding]

If the formalities were observed and everything would be ro the law, then we would definitely see it.

[Avior]

knocked on the door, you can't break

it seems that this is not about this case
Here the events were reversed.
First they broke the door ...

[Avior]

Hardly an ordinary opera with Sieg Sauer 226, not PM

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Then there was a showdown, why the opera group left without bulletproof vests ... and on such a trip, six months later, he himself received a shot charge ...

But the second time in the armor?

[rotfuks]

another bulk died without hatching from a revolutionary cocoon. Now his surviving wife will be given shelter in Germany as the wife of a bulk-based shelter, she will be given a pension and an apartment. Judging by the surname, "the fighter for the freedom of Belarus" had German roots.

[Tomich_1987]

Quote: rotfuks

Judging by the surname, "the fighter for the freedom of Belarus" had German roots.

What brilliant analytics. You would have to work closely - any crime would be solved in an instant.

[Roma 1977]

This way the floor of Berdichev has Germanic roots. Especially Monsieur Katz.

[Dave36]

Judging by the video, the specialists worked extremely unprofessionally ... rest in peace ...

[Tomich_1987]

Judging by the video, Zeltser's body was instantly annihilated by the shots of Chekist blasters.

[Avior]

Yes, many have already had doubts that the video shown was mounted at least partially staged - for example, the curtains are either closed or open on the window, the strange behavior of a silent woman. There are other questions.
That there are killed is most likely true, but the circumstances of the incident are a big question.

[Tomich_1987]

By the way, here is a detailed analysis of this fake. Very entertaining reading
https://bolkunets.org/politics/kto-vy-andrey-zeltser-dve-versii-proizoshedshego

[Avior]

interesting analysis
see if the full video from all cameras will be shown

[Vladimir M.V.]

Inconsistencies in the video of the murder of the KGB officer Dima in Minsk

https://kungurov.livejournal.com/296999.html
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kungurov/12111257/398880/398880_original.jpg

[Wolf]

It is a pity for one and the other, he was only 31 years old!
The KGB did the operation completely unprofessional !!!
For the death of 2 of them, the organizer of the action will find out! They could throw a dimny bomb, a light one, too, that would neutralize a person safely, employees must have body armor and protective equipment for such actions!
What to say???
The KGB in Belarus should have modern equipment and modern means of protection HOW AND THE TACTICS OF CAPTURE IN SUCH CASES THAT NO ONE WILL BE SYRIOUSLY HURTED!
They simply did not assess the threat properly.

[Avior]

They could just send a summons to begin with, he did not hide anywhere, had a permanent place of residence, a wife, a job, a child and a couple of cats, as they say.

[know]

Without an assessment of what happened, which, due to the extremely small amount of information, is still impossible to give: Wow, Ai-tishniki in Belarus!

[Roma 1977]

IT specialists are like students, only they already go to work. Remember the stories in Russia about students with shotguns?

[sen]

These two are definitely crazy: one with a gun, and the other is shooting. What were they counting on? The Belarusian fighters clearly did not expect such a reception, otherwise they would have been equipped and would have acted differently.

[Tomich_1987]

Quote: sen

These two are definitely crazy: one with a gun, and the other is shooting. What were they counting on? The Belarusian fighters clearly did not expect such a reception, otherwise they would have been equipped and would have acted differently.

With defrosting. We have already found out that the video is partially staged. We will most likely never know what actually happened there.

[Aleksandr97]

Our sincere condolences to the relatives of the deceased operative.
In the actions of the "fighter against the regime", the obvious illogicality and absurdity of behavior creep into the ears of Western puppeteers, who once again needed an informational pretext to undermine the situation.
However, if there is no universal howl for the "innocent murdered", which is extremely doubtful, then it was an act of suicide.

[Tomich_1987]

What kind of "fighter against the regime"? There is no body.

[Adimius38]

And I wonder where in the news that the one who fired from the apartment was some kind of bandit, terrorist, and the like? Here is what they write for example - 31-year-old Zeltser lived in an apartment with his 40-year-old wife and child. According to the KGB, the couple filmed what was happening on video "for the hype." The man opened fire on the security forces and mortally wounded one of them. It was destroyed by return fire. His wife was accused of complicity in the crime. For the sake of hype ... they didn't come up with anything smarter ...

[El Barto]

You are the cutest idiot. Just watch the video. Everything is shown there.
The killer, having made a shot and having received 3 bullets, falls (from himself to the left, from the employees to the right, deep into the room) screeching like a pig. Tugging on the blanket on the bed.

The staff acted well in fire contact. Professionally. Correctly entered (deceased employee from his knee, employee in a sweatshirt on the second level, standing) correctly assessed the situation. They shot well. They delayed the opening of fire a little (there was no need to shout - hands! It was necessary to shoot immediately, in a military way), as a result of which he managed to fire a shot.
Nevertheless, the wounded officer got up, entered the room, controlled the bandit with two more shots, and only after that he walked away and fell.

Most likely this is really not just an opera.

[alexleony]

Is there any other video? Or did you see the picture you described on TV because of this, which was published on television? looked, did not see it.

[babylon]

One surname "Zeltser" says a lot without unnecessary comments in order to understand what kind of forces are striving for power, they did not take up much of Ukraine for Belarus, and then Russia is next in line.

[Understanding]

Quote: antikilller55

Do you pay the cops yourself, or what? I'm sure they can do without your worthless taxes.

I pay personally, I list it every month. And they won't do without my taxes. They will immediately start screaming about the delays in the RFP. And they are never worthless, this is not 13% of the salary. I think that the content of the entire Caudla "professionals" on the video, my taxes are enough and perhaps still remains.

[Understanding]

Quote: raw174

Have you been calculated for his funeral? The employee went to the seizure, he died during the execution, unfortunately it happens, this is a service. Why? Perhaps they did not calculate, did not properly plan, but the death of an employee does not speak of his unprofessionalism.

Calculated! And they will calculate more, for compensation to relatives, for a loss pension ... and so on. So we calculated. And the fact that he screwed up his eyes in a nonsense situation just speaks of his (their) unprofessionalism. Stupidly folded hundreds.

[Yorgven]

Circus tent, not a special operation. In the video, a gang in civilian clothes, even without vests, breaks down the door and breaks into the apartment. As a result, two corpses. And if there was a real terrorist, then all these sad clowns went to the next world from one grenade. This is what the negligence of the leadership and the ignorance of the statutes by the personnel leads to.

[sifgame]

Yes, there is a channel on YouTube of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the FSB, there are videos of how ours work. First, the heavy cavalry with all the bells and whistles and only when all the swaddling clothes fit the opera in civilian clothes.

[Looking for]

Quote: And Us Rat

In the Second World War there were thousands of NKVD-shnikov who changed their shoes in a jump and ran to lick the heels of the invaders and

what are you saying?!?!

[Roma 1977]

On the fresh tracks.

[Pushkar]

Alas, one more trump card is in the hands of the prohibitors of weapons.

[AntiAleks]

The real hero.

[Pushkar]

Judging by the video, someone else was filming or a rigidly fixed camera. There is a moment where both are in the frame - he and his wife. Or staging.

[gridasov]

It's a disgrace to the service !!! Burst into the dwellings of citizens. Kill a young man in front of a woman. Lose an employee. How do they work !? Where are the special equipment, exposure, in general, all the operational measures. They killed a citizen and a subject of the country in which they directly have to protect people. Shame and sorrow for an innocent ruined life.

[El Barto]

Two hundred five point two

[KJIETyc]

Quote: mvg

Sit down, 2

Volchara, I gave a professional streamer a lift on Monday, his car broke down. The guy, Misha, is broadcasting Paintball, there was 30 kg of equipment on it, it's a pity he didn't take a picture .. One video capture card costs 12-15 rubles. Look at Alex007 or Zerg on YouTube, what is on the table.
PS: With a phone, you can shoot a video and put it on the Internet .. this is not a stream. This is for the housewives. Those guys, a la KGB, would immediately take away the phone.

What a dinosaur. Download the Instagram app - press one button on your phone - and voila, you're streaming live. ps I hope the gbshniki will take on the zmagars more seriously.

[Mandalorets]

It's bad when one crazy patient has the whole country hostage

[Pushkar]

Quote: Mandalorian

It's bad when one crazy patient has the whole country hostage

Who are you talking about? Speak directly, otherwise there are enough winking and nodding meaningfully here.

[Thompson]

It’s even worse when one mental patient thinks others are the same.

[Thompson]

Quote: Avior

can be carried out only on the grounds and in the manner prescribed by this Code.

Can you look for these very grounds yourself in laws and codes?
According to your logic, a security officer came to a terrorist and tearfully persuades him to open the door since he has a warrant ... How often do you shoot at the door, when you are told, open the police?

[Avior]

Yes, they say who came and for what reason
And if the reason is legal, then they break down the door, if necessary
But it has nothing to do with this case.
They probably already regretted that even the edited video was made public and the statement was published - there is a bag of violations.

[Thompson]

Once I fired back, it means they came right, sorry, they were incorrectly equipped.
Condolences to relatives!
Now they will not stand on ceremony with them or take them on the street.
Now the thought came - apparently they wanted to take it red-handed ... hence the working cameras inside ...

[ermak124.0]

Why didn’t they sew the chicken???

[pomor23]

It’s time to tighten the screws on all these “revolutionary eras”, “they are children” and all sorts of liberal scum, both in Russia and in Belarus. Stop flirting already, the war is on and blood is flowing!

[Understanding]

Quote: Thompson

Your example clearly shows this. When will you take the gun?

Quote: Thompson

Quote: Understanding

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

At 31 years old? Seriously?

Absolutely. You can live as a juvenile dolt until old age. Some people do it.

Your example clearly shows this. When will you take the gun?

In general, I handle a gun, or rather a carbine, quite often. I lay out, kill the paper, travel around the country during the season, hunt for the beast. In the situation of this moronic opposition shooter, I would not shoot. But I’m not talking about the shooter, but about stupid rubbish who completely failed a simple operation and (possibly) failed their employee. Or at least those who allowed his death. Idk, but I think that in case of emergency, if there were legal grounds, not a single one of this bastard who piled into the hallway would leave with his own feet.
Well, you scoundrel, I would advise you not to troll decent users. At least out of a sense of self-preservation for the account. And there’s no point, you won’t get food.

[Thompson]

You flatter yourself! Goodness and order are far from being trump cards, but knocking and knocking...