How the Nazis solved the "Jewish question"

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How the Nazis solved the "Jewish question"
The execution of Soviet citizens in the Babiy Yar tract in occupied Kiev

On September 29, 1941, the German Nazis began the extermination of Kiev Jews. They were shot at Babi Yar. In just one day, 33 people were killed. The shootings continued until the fall of 771, when Kiev was liberated by the Red Army.

To this day, it is not known how many people were killed there. Modern researchers speak of 150 thousand Jews alone. Also there were shot Soviet prisoners of war, partisans, underground workers, political workers and employees of the NKVD, patients of a psychiatric hospital, gypsies, etc.

From September to the end of October 1941, the executions were mainly carried out by mobile SS units (Einsatzgruppa and the police) with the assistance of the field gendarmerie and units of the Wehrmacht (454th Security Division, 75th and 299th Infantry Divisions). From October 1941 to the end of September 1943, Babi Yar was the site of regular shootings carried out by the security police and SD in close cooperation with the military and civilian authorities of Kiev.

Babi Yar became one of the symbols of the "final solution to the Jewish question" - the brutal and mass extermination of Jews in Eastern Europe. It was also a symbol of the solution of the "Russian question" by the Nazis - the destruction of the most active part of the Russian people in order to turn the rest into slaves of the Third Reich.

Damn place


On September 19, 1941, German troops occupied Kiev. On September 27, the first execution took place - 752 patients of the V.I. Ivan Pavlov, which was located near the ravine Babiy Yar. A large ravine was located in the northwestern part of Kiev, between the Lukyanovka and Syrets districts. The steep slopes made it look like a gorge, a stream flowed along the bottom. Before the war, children played here. The German occupiers thought it was an excellent place for a massacre.

In the last days of September 1941, small posters in three languages ​​were hung on all city fences: German, Russian and Ukrainian. The announcement suggested that all the Jews of Kiev appear on Monday, September 29, 1941 at 8 o'clock in the morning at the corner of Melnikovskaya and Dokhturovskaya (near the cemetery). Take with you documents, money, valuables, warm clothes, underwear, etc. Those who did not comply with this order were subject to execution. At the same time, rumors spread through the city through the rabbis, house managers and janitors that the Jews would be rewritten and deported to a safe place.

The new event of the Nazis was striking in its scale: it was proposed to evict tens of thousands of people from the huge city. Expulsion on ethnic grounds.

What for?

There was no doubt that we were talking about deportation. The question was, how will they be lucky and where will they be taken? People had no idea that thousands, tens of thousands of people were going to be destroyed.

On the morning of September 29, crowds of people from all parts of Kiev were drawn to the gathering place. Many went out even after dark in order to get to the place on time. Mostly children, women and old people, as many men went to the front. There were many mixed families in big Kiev; Russians and Jews have long been intermingled. Therefore, Russian husbands saw off their Jewish wives, Russian wives - their Jewish husbands. There were many people seeing off: Russian relatives, friends, neighbors. They helped the elderly and the sick to bring things.

The closer the meeting place was, the more German soldiers there were. They knew that the Jews would not be expelled, they would be exterminated.

At the place of gathering, the street was blocked by wire barriers, anti-tank "hedgehogs". The passage was guarded by German soldiers and Ukrainian policemen. Jews were allowed in in groups to the other side, they waited for a while, then new ones were admitted.

And only then did people begin to understand that something terrible was in store for them. They were ordered to hand over documents and belongings, to undress. Then people were brought to the pit and shot. Group by group.

German Sonderkommando killed 33 people in a day.

The shootings continued in the following days: and in a week, a month and a year. People were killed almost until the liberation of Kiev by the Red Army. In a ravine fenced off with barbed wire, they shot communists, Red Army men, underground workers, etc.

When the Nazis were driven from Soviet soil, the Nazis tried to hide the traces of their terrible deeds. For three weeks the corpses were burned in Babi Yar, the bones were ground in special machines. Then the troops of the Red Army found a half-meter layer of ash and bones in the ravine.


Soviet prisoners of war in Babi Yar among the belongings of those shot

"The Final Solution of the Jewish Question"


Babi Yar was no exception to the rule, the same nightmares were happening in the Baltics, Belarus, Smolensk region, throughout Ukraine, in the Crimea, etc. The Nazis brought suffering and death with them.

The theme of the "Jewish threat" was one of the main themes in the ideology of Nazism. Immediately after Hitler and the National Socialists came to power, the Jewish community in Germany began to be persecuted. Laws were passed restricting the rights of Jews. In particular, Jews were forbidden to have German citizenship, to marry Germans, vote, be in the civil service, etc. The further it went, the worse it got. Jews were forced to emigrate from Germany. They planned to make the Third Reich a racially clean country.

But by the beginning of World War II, the channels of Jewish emigration were mostly closed. Then most of Western Europe came under the control of the Reich. And the "Jewish question" again faced the Nazi elite. Plans were made to deport Jews from Europe somewhere farther: to Africa, to Madagascar. The head of the SS, Himmler, ordered the isolation of Jews in a ghetto in occupied Poland. When planning a war of extermination against the USSR, it was decided to extend this practice to the occupied Soviet regions.

Preparing for a war with Russia, the Nazi leadership has not yet come to the idea of ​​the complete destruction of an entire people. In the directives developed by the Nazis on the eve of the attack on the USSR, Jews are hardly mentioned. But in April 1941, the directives "on the conduct of German troops in Russia" already noted that Jews, along with partisans and "communist instigators", were to be exterminated. This approach was the basis for a special order of the head of the OKW (High Command of the Wehrmacht) dated May 19, 1941, in which Jews were equated with partisans and saboteurs.

At about the same time, the head of the Main Directorate of Imperial Security Heydrich gave the command of the Einsatzgruppen (the militarized "death squads" of Nazi Germany, which carried out the massacres of civilians in the occupied territories) a verbal order to eliminate all Jews, since "Judaism became the source of Bolshevism and, therefore must be destroyed. " True, in July, Heydrich backed down and in a special directive indicated that not all Jews were to be liquidated, but members of the Bolshevik Party employed in the civil service and radical elements (partisans, saboteurs, saboteurs, propagandists, etc.).

Thus, when the Nazis invaded the USSR, they were able to attribute all Jews to partisans and saboteurs who were to be destroyed. The special forces had instructions to liquidate some of the Jews, the rest were planned to be driven into the ghetto.

As a result, the robbery, violence and murder of Jews from the first days of the war became a kind of entertainment for the advancing German troops. Synagogues were burning, murdered Jews lay in houses and on the streets. The girls were raped and hanged with the words "a restroom for German soldiers", babies were smashed. And the occupation authorities who came for the troops were establishing a "new order". The actions were clearly regulated and methodical. At first, the Einsatzkommando destroyed the communists, "radical elements", generally "suspicious". That is, there was an opportunity to kill anyone. Therefore, mass executions soon became commonplace. Russians (including Belarusians and Little Russians) were shot in the same way.


Soviet prisoners of war, guarded by SS men, cover the area of ​​Babi Yar with earth, where the executed Soviet citizens lie. October 1, 1941

From ghetto to total extermination


When the first wave of terror subsided, the isolation of Jews in the ghetto began.

Crowds of people were herded to special places, quarters in cities, they were isolated from other people. There was a double guard: the German-controlled Jewish "order service" on the inside, and the local police on the outside. The Jewish council was responsible for the behavior of the Jewish community. Jews were robbed, driven to forced labor. Everyone who was caught outside was immediately shot.

Life in the ghetto was hard: overcrowding, lack of food, lack of rights and freedoms. Getting a job meant becoming a "useful Jew": they were given rations, taken to work, allowed to live in a barrack outside the ghetto, they had the hope that they would not be killed for fun.

There was no question of the total extermination of the Jewish population at that moment. The Nazis were pragmatists. The warring Reich needed working hands, and the "masters" needed slaves. And the Jews worked no worse than the Poles or the Russians. Another thing is that the Nazis believed that the number of Jews (as well as Russians) should be reduced. Therefore, labor was used without mercy, people were squeezed out completely (in principle, this is the usual approach under capitalism). In addition, the Nazis used local Nazis to solve the "Jewish question", who also hated "Jews" like the Nazis.

Local Nazis got down to business quickly, began to destroy the "Jewish Bolsheviks" instead of their German masters. The Baltic and Ukrainian Nazis flooded the Soviet lands with blood. The brutality of their actions shocked even the seasoned German "senior comrades". Jews were burned along with synagogues, beaten with crowbars, drowned, raped and slaughtered in their own homes. Destroyed everyone: old people, women and children.

The occupiers hastily formed police and punitive units from local Nazis who had proved themselves. The punishers had a lot of work - in the occupied regions of the USSR. The local Nazis could be blamed for the "dirty work" and the creation of a police force that would help control and "cleanse" the occupied areas. Also, each police battalion liberated one German, which was needed at the front, because the Russians continued to fight fiercely.

In the Baltic states, local punishers very soon demonstrated to the Nazis the solution to the “Jewish problem” - the total extermination of Jews. The Baltic Nazis showed that Jews can simply be exterminated without being evicted to other areas and ghettos. As a result, the German punitive units have already switched to the practice of the total extermination of Jews, which was manifested in Kiev.

The Nazi leadership decides on the total extermination of Soviet Jews. On September 12, 1941, the head of the OKW, Field Marshal Keitel, issued an order:

"The fight against Bolshevism requires the adoption of ruthless and energetic action, primarily towards the Jews."

Jews are equated with Bolshevik commissars, political workers. The Fuehrer set the same task for the security service.

Thus, the final solution of the "Jewish question" was a consequence of the extermination war in the East. The logic of total war led to the decision on the total extermination of Soviet Jews. At first, Jews were killed as Soviet citizens who belonged to the category of "suspicious persons", "saboteurs", "Jewish Bolsheviks"; since 1942, they were liquidated simply because they were Jews. According to researchers, in just six months of 1941, about 1,2 million Soviet Jews were exterminated in the territory occupied by the Nazis.


A photograph of the execution of the last Jew in Vinnitsa, taken by an officer of the German Einsatzgroup. Vinnitsa was occupied by German troops on July 19, 1941. Some of the Jews who lived in the city managed to evacuate. The remaining Jewish population was locked up in a ghetto. On July 28, 1941, 146 Jews were shot in the city. In August, the shootings resumed. On September 22, 1941, most of the prisoners of the Vinnytsia ghetto were destroyed (about 28 thousand people). Only people whose labor was useful to the invaders, artisans, workers and technicians (several thousand) were left alive. In the spring of 1942, the remaining Jews were exterminated, 150 craftsmen were left alive. They were shot on August 25, 1942. Only a few Jewish underground fighters survived.
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  1. +18
    29 September 2021 05: 06
    I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews. I read a lot about the fact that the Germans did not really like to get their hands dirty, especially the military, and as a rule, local policemen / nationalists, and their Sonderkommandos (collected from German criminals) were engaged in the destruction of the peaceful. And, of course, SS people. I'm not trying to argue that the Wehrmacht is "innocent", the Wehrmacht was just doing it LESS than: a) Local policemen-nationalists. b) Sonderkommando c) SS. By and large, all of them had to be consumed. And the policemen (too many policemen were spared in the Ukraine and in the Baltic states, therefore they got what they got) and SS men (by the way, after the reprisals of the SS over American prisoners in the Ardennes (Peiper's Kampfgruppa), the SS Americans preferred NOT to TAKE prisoners, well, everyone else.) that some deserved the death penalty 500 times and others only 10?
    1. +8
      29 September 2021 05: 33
      American SS men preferred NOT to TAKE

      In my opinion, ours also practiced the same ...
    2. +11
      29 September 2021 05: 49
      Therefore, thousands of Nazis worked for the United States, for example, the archival data contains the case of former SS officer Otto von Bolschwing - adviser to Adolf Eichmann, in general, more than a thousand Nazis worked for the United States, including the SS, and Germany also hired its Nazis as good specialists.
      1. +7
        29 September 2021 10: 43
        They took "useful", for example, intelligent officers, generals, especially SCIENTISTS and technicians. Well, the Americans, and especially the British and Canadians, preferred to wet the rank and file SS on the spot. By the way, it is interesting that after the war the Americans and the British starved to death more than a MILLION German prisoners of war. The missing million. But for some reason no one talks about this.
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 16: 49
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          They took "useful", for example, intelligent officers, generals, especially SCIENTISTS and technicians.

          Well, yes ... everyone remembers in what rank and in what structure the future father of the American space program served in WWII.
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 17: 31
            Naturally. In hostilities, unlike many others that the Americans and the British covered and took to their place during Operation Paperclip, Werner von Braun did not participate. By the way, he hinted at aliens many times :-).
            1. +3
              30 September 2021 21: 16
              Quote: Baron Pardus
              Werner von Braun did not participate

              He is responsible for tens of thousands of tortured concentration camp prisoners. In the Polytechnic Museum in Berlin there is an installation of an underground plant where the V-2 was assembled - there are prisoners in striped robes.
              1. 0
                30 September 2021 23: 09
                He did not give orders for and liquidation. EMNIP Brown did not sign a single order for which he could be involved. This does not mean that he is not an SS member. It just had less dirt on it and it was useful for the United States, however, it would be useful for the USSR too. What was invented in the 3rd Reich is still relevant. For example, "flying wing" stealth planes.
                1. 0
                  11 November 2021 12: 49
                  Ishii, too, was found to be helpful and innocent.
        2. 0
          29 September 2021 17: 44
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          By the way, it is interesting that after the war the Americans and the British starved to death more than a MILLION German prisoners of war. The missing million. But for some reason no one talks about this.

          There is no clear evidence, since there is no clear understanding of how many Wehrmacht soldiers were captured.
          1. +1
            29 September 2021 18: 09
            https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
            1. +1
              29 September 2021 23: 08
              Why not Russian or Tatar? I understand that we are talking about a certain Canadian James Buck, who operates with different numbers. In this case, it has a more accurate value - 790 Wehrmacht and SS soldiers who died from among those who capitulated to Anglo-Saxon captivity.
              Do you know how he got that number? I explain for him:

              1 300 000 Wehrmacht soldiers who died in captivity and disappeared according to the ICC of the late 50s - early 60s
              MINUS
              381 prisoners of war who died in Soviet camps (NKVD certificate from 000)
              MINUS
              51 prisoners of war who died during the convoy phase (from the same place, another 200 German allies and a total of 5)
              MINUS
              78 prisoners of war who died in American, English and French captivity by Rudiger Overmans
              Total: exactly 789 800 dead prisoners of war.

              790 - this is one of the six subsections of the article "Killed", that is, Wehrmacht servicemen, whose death in battle has not been recorded by anyone in any way (missing). Erroneously attributed by D. Bak to the deceased prisoners of war in Anglo-Saxon captivity, and let at least someone prove to me that he received 000 somehow differently!

              Were there hundreds of thousands of deaths in captivity? Yes, there were, but not the 790 who died on the battlefield.
              And you first figure out what "Prisoners of War" is, what "Surrendered" is and what is "transferred to the category of internees." Then you will understand where the hundreds of thousands of dead came from, in addition to the 78 dead prisoners of war among the Anglo-Saxons.
        3. 0
          30 September 2021 13: 01
          I heard about the "lost million", but did not really know. So this is what, however. Now it is clear!
        4. 0
          7 December 2021 15: 39
          some of the Japanese also believe that the USSR bombed out on Hiroshima ... Well-placed and paid propaganda rules ...
    3. +15
      29 September 2021 06: 52
      I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews.

      Let's not forget that in tiny Lithuania it was the Lithuanians who killed 240 thousand Jews, which is probably a "record", and in Bessarabia, occupied by the Romanians, 300 thousand Jews were killed.

      So not only the Ukrainian Nazis were noted ...
      1. +4
        29 September 2021 09: 22
        Quote: Olgovich
        I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews.

        Let's not forget that in tiny Lithuania it was the Lithuanians who killed 240 thousand Jews, which is probably a "record", and in Bessarabia, occupied by the Romanians, 300 thousand Jews were killed.

        So not only the Ukrainian Nazis were noted ...

        The grandmother survived thanks to the Romanians in Kamenets-Podolsk, EMNIP. They were bought off with gold, so the Romanian officers did not allow the Germans to take out the population of the ghetto for execution.
        1. +15
          29 September 2021 10: 13
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The grandmother survived thanks to the Romanians in Kamenets-Podolsk, EMNIP. They were paid off with gold

          She survived thanks to GOLD, not Romanians.

          In Romanian Bessarabia (or rather Bessarabia and the so-called Transnistria), more than 300 thousand Jews Bessarabia, Odessa, and Romania. And it was the very same people who did it

          In Chisinau, a ghetto was formed, adjacent to Visternicheni. Its borders passed along the streets of Kharlampievskaya, Kozhukharskaya, Voznesenskaya and Pavlovskaya. The ghetto could hold up to 11 Jews. Some of them were shot by Romanian soldiers in Visternicheni, in Gidigichi, on the Orhei highway. Also, mass executions of the Jewish population were carried out throughout Moldova. In the Kosouc forest, 000 people were killed, in the concentration camp near Vertyuzhen, 6000 Jews were killed, in Dubossary, the Romanians shot 7560 people.

          ... On December 21, 1941, 5000 Jews were burnt alive in Bogdanovka. From that day until January 9, 1942, Jews were driven daily to the Southern Bug, where they were massacred. In just a few days, 40 people died in the camp. In Domanevka, the murders of Jews began later, and by March 000 all prisoners had been killed. Also, especially large-scale executions took place in Akmachetka and Mostovoy. All these camps were concentrated in the district of Gault, for which he received the name "Kingdom of death" etc. (with)
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 11: 01
            Well, it is clear that thanks to gold, on the other hand, gold could be taken by force, under torture, etc.
        2. +1
          29 September 2021 10: 45
          at the initial stage of the occupation, the Romanians also carried out mass executions, but then the situation changed.
          From the beginning of 1942, the Romanians issued an order banning the mass shootings of Jews.
          Since 1943, the Jews in Transnistria began to receive aid from international Jewish organizations.
          Altov writes that
          in Transnistria, about 70% of all Jews who survived during the occupation of the USSR survived
          1. +5
            29 September 2021 14: 08
            Quote: Avior
            but then the situation changed.Since the beginning of 1942, the Romanians issued an order banning the mass executions of Jews
            Something has changed: they have already destroyed almost everyone in the shortest possible time: When Soviet troops entered the area between the Southern Bug and Dniester rivers, 50 Jews remained there ... In total, they died in the concentration camps of Transnistria during the years of the Romanian occupation. more than 300 thousand Jews and 50 thousand Roma
            1. 0
              29 September 2021 14: 20
              Yes, at the initial stage of the occupation it was, I wrote.
              1. +3
                29 September 2021 14: 30
                Quote: Avior
                Yes, at the initial stage of the occupation it was, I wrote.

                Romanians were not inflamed with humanism, they almost solved the problem, that's the whole explanation, and the war went wrong
                1. 0
                  29 September 2021 15: 21
                  I didn’t write that I was on fire
          2. +2
            29 September 2021 15: 23
            Quote: Avior
            the situation has changed.
            From the beginning of 1942, the Romanians issued an order banning the mass shootings of Jews.
            Since 1943, the Jews in Transnistria began to receive aid from international Jewish organizations.


            And in 1944, in general, war on Germany was declared. It is interesting to know, and who convinced them to do this?
            Do not guess?
            Consciousness has changed (thanks to UV 2 and 3).
      2. +4
        29 September 2021 13: 34
        Well, what do you want .. The question is, when nonentities come to power, whom do they "spread rot"? Those whom they did not understand and do not understand. Their "professors", who rejected them, their teachers.
        The Jews suited this very well.
    4. +6
      29 September 2021 08: 10
      (by the way, after the massacre of the SS over American prisoners in the Ardennes (Peiper's Kampfgruppa), the SS Americans preferred NOT to take prisoners,

      Peiper was sentenced to death, then the sentence was changed to life imprisonment, served 13 years, moved to France, where he was killed by unknown persons in his own home in 1976. It is believed that this was done by former members of the Resistance (Maki).
      1. +2
        30 September 2021 16: 54
        Peiper was sentenced to death, then the sentence was changed to life imprisonment, served 13 years, moved to France, where he was killed by unknown persons in his own home in 1976. It is believed that this was done by former members of the Resistance (Maki).

        What did he lack in the FRG? Why did he move to France, did he not know that there were many who wanted to settle scores with him?
        1. +4
          30 September 2021 23: 25
          It became "hot" in the FRG, the Italians demanded that the West German government hand over Peiper for his "art" in Italy, so he pulled it off. Why to France, I don’t know, apparently I thought of getting lost in the French hinterland, but it didn’t work out. And he deserved it - he deserved it completely, where he fought, everywhere he blamed.
    5. +11
      29 September 2021 09: 53
      I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews.

      don't read this "somewhere" anymore, this is someone's clumsy attempt to deflect blame for the killings from the Nazis: ((
      The perpetrators of the direct executions have long been identified by name and have been partially convicted. These are the Germans from the Einsatzgruppen and the German police.
      The Einsatzgruppen Case established that the executions on September 29 and 30, 1941 in Babi Yar were carried out by Sonderkommando 4a of the Eiznatzgruppa C under the leadership of SS Standartenfuehrer Paul Blobel with the support of the 45th and 303rd battalions of the German police (German Polizei-Bataillon) of the order of the police regiment "South"

      Major General Kurt Eberhard, who gave the order for the execution, was not convicted - he committed suicide in 1947 in Stuttgart [32]. The head of the Sonderkommando 4a Paul Blobel was sentenced to death by hanging in 1948 and executed in 1951 at Landsberg Prison. [33] ... From 1967 to 1968, a trial of former employees of the Sonderkommando "4a" took place in the Darmstadt Regional Court. The main accused Kuno Kallsen was sentenced to 15 years in prison, Kurt Hans and Adolf Janssen to 11 years, August Hefner to 9 years, Victor Voiton to 7 years, Christian Schulte to 4 years and 6 months in prison, Alexander Riesle to 4 years in prison [36]. Georg Pfarrkircher, Ernst Konzee and Viktor Trill were released under § 47 of the German Criminal Code. Former SS Sturmbannfuehrer and commander of the 45th Police Battalion Martin Besser was not prosecuted for health reasons.
    6. 0
      30 September 2021 09: 06
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews.

      But if there was no war, there would not be on our territory these "20 people" who controlled their charges, and these "charges" themselves would not exist. After all, all this scum got out of its cracks and holes only with the arrival of the Germans.
      1. +4
        30 September 2021 09: 40
        Strongly disagree with you. This scum lived next to us. You see, a normal person will not become a punisher. The Germans will order, let it be, to dig ditches, or repair the railways there, that is one thing. But in punitive and firing squads, a person by himself will not be called up. And these volunteered. NOBODY forced them. They, according to GERMAN documents, willingly offered their services themselves. And don't say that "they were nice and fluffy, it was the Germans who influenced them so much." They were enemies. Internal enemies, be it Bandera, nationalists, Basmachi, Islamic fundamentalists, banal opposition to the monarchists and even Trotskyists embittered by defeat. They were ALL enemies. Who would have shown themselves at the slightest opportunity. As MANY (not all) showed themselves, the Azerbaijanis of the 90s, first starting to beat, rob and kill the Armenians, and then switched to the Russians ("Russians do not leave, we need slaves"). Do you think that these people "all of a sudden, for no reason" hated both the Armenians and the Russians? No, they ALWAYS hated them, just as long as there was fear of Soviet Power - they behaved normally. Exactly like the Bandera who did not show anything of their nature until the arrival of the Nazis. And yes, the Nazis preferred to pass on the dirtiest things to the policemen and Sonderkommandos whenever possible. Why get your hands dirty? And then you can say "These Slavs are such animals that they willingly shoot and torture each other" (which by the way was said, in particular by Goebbels).
        The fact that this happened shows how right Lavrenty Pavlovich was in his vigilance and suspicion. Moreover, he, along with Iosif Vissarionovich, were too soft, they spared Bandera, and Basmachi, and Vlasovites. They gave them a chance to rehabilitate. But cancer, by itself, is not rehabilitated. Cancer is burned out by iron and fire, in the words of Otto von Bismarck. Do you think that a policeman who has served 8 years will bring up his children in the spirit of gratitude to the Communist Party? No, he will tell everyone how he "guarded the potato warehouses" and even without weapons, only with a leaf and how he, the innocent "evil commies" was taken to the camps "for nothing." My mother told me that one Ukrainian lived in their street, he was a policeman, he served 5 years, and then under Khrushchev he was released under an amnesty and rehabilitated because "There were no witnesses to his crimes" well, of course, what witnesses if he shot them? Scum will always look for opportunities to betray, sell and stab in the back. ALWAYS. These can be dispossessed kulaks. These can be people who were really innocently convicted (this was, is and will ALWAYS be), it could be people who have been infringed on their rights because of their "non-proletarian" origin. In general, it could be any "offended by the regime". Approximately such as in the 80s and 90s they whispered in the kitchens "Does this regime appreciate us?" "Is life in this mode?" "That would drive away the commies and live like in the West."
        1. +3
          30 September 2021 10: 01
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          Strongly disagree with you. This scum lived next to us. You see, a normal person will not become a punisher.

          Yes, this scum lived next to normal people, was quiet, and even by hook or by hook rushed to power, let us recall the collective image of such a quiet man, Polipov, from "The Eternal Call." This scum wrote denunciations of neighbors, tried to snatch a piece of food for itself ... But then the invaders came and these opportunists turned around to the fullest. After all, they needed to quickly curry favor with the new government, to prove their dedication to the "new order" in order to grab a piece of their satiety again, who did it as best he could. When the Union collapsed, remember how many slops poured out on the bygone era, because every "quiet" adaptive tried to prove his "purity" before the new government, and this is still going on. Only one, recent, words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs - "... I do not justify the crimes of the Stalinist regime" are expensive. Especially take into account that Stalin and that "regime" have not yet been recognized as criminal by more than one court ... Except for the sect of Solzhenitsin's admirers ... hi
        2. 0
          1 October 2021 09: 31
          As it said about the innocent during the repressions: “The forest is being cut, the chips are flying!” But nobody wants to be a “chip”, probably the author of the commentary. And what was left of these "chips" I saw in the forests near Pechora ...
  2. +7
    29 September 2021 05: 41
    The Germans showed us their culture. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten!
  3. +2
    29 September 2021 05: 52
    antivirus 3 November 20, 2016 12:36
    antivirus Today, 11: 59 ↑
    Sergei Gavrilovich Semenov, 1931, d. Maksimovo, Staritsky district of the Kalinin region: “We were under the German for a month and a half, but nearby, near Rzhev 1,5 g, they didn’t count us as people. They could easily kill us” At 10, the child understood instinctively, everyday communication, glances and beat, drove out of the hut.
    + the elder brother died at the front, and 2 more were blown up on the remaining supplies in the ground (which ones? I dismantled out of curiosity, but I don’t know)
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    ++ even earlier, he said-- "the first doctor to go was a military doctor, oh gut ... gave a harmonica and a chocolate bar"
    NEXT WAS - SEE THE FIRST PART
  4. +6
    29 September 2021 06: 15
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Therefore, thousands of Nazis worked for the United States, for example, the archival data contains the case of former SS officer Otto von Bolschwing - adviser to Adolf Eichmann, in general, more than a thousand Nazis worked for the United States, including the SS, and Germany also hired its Nazis as good specialists.

    Even more SS men worked for Syria. There they built the entire security service. And of course in South America, mainly in Argentina and Chile
    1. +7
      29 September 2021 08: 13
      You have forgotten the SS Sturmbannführer Werner von Braun, who was accepted with open arms by the United States of America. Although, considering who he was and what he did, I believe that our people would not refuse such an "acquisition".
    2. -2
      29 September 2021 17: 14
      do not spread nonsense!
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 21: 33
        Quote: Seeker
        do not spread nonsense!

        And for some reason Paulus taught at our academy. They would take for a sweet soul - if they were caught by ours.
        1. 0
          7 December 2021 15: 46
          Paulus is an SS man?
  5. +12
    29 September 2021 06: 19
    The author, let's define the terminology. Hitler's hordes invaded the USSR and Soviet citizens were destroyed in the occupied territories, and it doesn't matter who they are by nationality. You read and get the impression that Soviet citizens lived in national ghettos, and not in one country.
    1. +8
      29 September 2021 10: 10
      what nationality they are, no difference. Read you and get the impression that Soviet citizens lived in national ghettos

      exactly.
      Large Jewish ghettos under the Germans were in Minsk, Lvov and other cities
      the Germans did not care who they were by nationality
    2. -5
      29 September 2021 16: 05
      Quote: parusnik
      The author, let's define the terminology. Hitler's hordes invaded the USSR and Soviet citizens were destroyed in the occupied territories, and it doesn't matter who they are by nationality. You read and get the impression that Soviet citizens lived in national ghettos, and not in one country.

      No, it was precisely on the basis of ethnicity that they were destroyed. Hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens quietly served the Nazis and worked even more for them.

      Quote: Avior
      Large Jewish ghettos under the Germans were in Minsk, Lvov and other cities
      the Germans did not care who they were by nationality

      Yes. Only in these ghettos there were Jews, Belarusian, Ukrainian, but Jews.
      1. 0
        29 September 2021 19: 09
        No, it was precisely on the basis of ethnicity that they were destroyed. Hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens calmly served with the Nazis and worked even more for them.
        And the Jews are so soft and fluffy. How many Jews served Hitler? Oh, how many ... Yes, and not ordinary people, but people who make decisions, including about the elimination of Soviet people. Oleg, don't disappoint.
        1. +1
          29 September 2021 20: 32
          Quote: lwxx
          And the Jews are so soft and fluffy. How many Jews served Hitler? Oh, how many ...

          Well, if there is "a lot," then it will not be difficult for you, mister sovramshi, to name 10 names, not 10000, not 1000, or even 100, but only 10 names.

          Quote: lwxx
          And not ordinary people, but people who make decisions, including about the elimination of Soviet people. Oleg, don't disappoint.

          Not even the rank and file? Nice. 5 names of "decision makers"?
          1. 0
            29 September 2021 20: 47
            Yes, you don't even have to go far https://topwar.ru/2922-evrejskie-soldaty-gitlera.html. And the question of the Sephardim and Ashkenazi has long been known. Once again, don't disappoint.
            1. +1
              30 September 2021 06: 37
              10 names. I beg you.
              5 names of "decision makers"? I beg you tearfully.
              I want positive emotions in the morning. Neighing hunting. wassat
            2. +1
              30 September 2021 09: 58
              I read Hitler's Jewish soldiers, but you obviously did not, and if you read, then you read diagonally. So:
              a) The soldiers of the Wehrmacht about whom it says were BORN AND BORN IN THE TERRITORY OF THE REICH or AUSTRIA. Any "Jewish soldier of Hitler" some kind of cross or half-breed born in Poland or Sweden there could not be. The Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine accepted only Reich citizens.
              b) Most of them were not Jews, but half-breeds - Mishlings, about like me.
              c) Until a certain time in all CIVILIZED countries, a Jew was not a nationality. but religion. Having been baptized, a Jew automatically became "his". In Prussia, Germany and Austria it was so bright that the Jewish communities melted like snowdrifts in May, the synagogues were emptied, and the baptisms proclaimed Germany and Austria the "Second Jerusalem". A similar attitude was towards Jews in Britain (see Disraeli). Unlike France (see The Dreyfus Case). Jewishness by nationality is definite only in the Russian Empire and in ... Nazi Germany. In other countries, the column "nationality" was simply not present in the Ausweis. There was CITIZENSHIP and RELIGION. Here is a well-known example. Jaroslav Hasek in his anti-Austrian book "The Brave Soldier Schweik" Describes, among all the others, Feldgurat Katz. (who didn't even change his surname). As soon as he was baptized, the path immediately opened to him both to the military academy (they did not measure his skull and nose), and to the seminary. Moreover, the German OFFICER (noble) society ACCEPTED him, despite his Jewishness.
              d) Hitler's Jewish soldiers (or rather half-blooded) were possible only due to the fact that the officers of the Wehrmacht, the Luftwaffe and the Kriegzmarine corny COVERED their own. Not all and not all. But they covered up. Someone by acquaintance after many years of service. Who himself was so assimilated that it was impossible to dig in at all. Uncircumcised? Baptized? Well, you can't prove that you are a Jew. Considering the fact that assimilated Jews and christians did not boast of their origin, it was difficult to prove that. A person could know that the grandmother was Jewish and the grandfather was a pirate, but they simply did not talk about this because the overwhelming majority WANTED TO BECOME GERMAN and assimilate. We intensively dug the pedigree as at a dog show only in the SS and the Gestapo.
              e) It was a completely different matter in Italy, Spain, and at the same time in Hungary. In Italy and Spain, both dictators proclaimed "I only have Italians / Spaniards." General Franco himself was from the Marrans (Spanish Jews of the Cross), after the SS delved into Mussolini's lineage, Hitler was convinced of Mussolini's Jewish origins. There, THEIR Jews were not particularly infringed upon, ESPECIALLY cross-breeds and half-breeds. And yes, the Jews openly served in the Italian and Spanish troops, and even in the Hungarian ones (in the USSR after the war it turned out that EMNIP 150000 prisoners of Jewish nationality, as they determined it is not clear, the skulls and noses were measured as in the Gestapo? It is unlikely. the fact that a clever Hungarian or Romanian could well lie that I was "an oppressed nationality, I was forcibly taken into the army" in the hope that he would not be allowed to flow - it is quite likely.
              1. +3
                30 September 2021 13: 21
                Quote: Baron Pardus
                e) It was a completely different matter in Italy, Spain, and at the same time in Hungary. In Italy and Spain, both dictators proclaimed "I only have Italians / Spaniards." General Franco himself was from the Marrans (Spanish Jews of the Cross), after the SS delved into Mussolini's lineage, Hitler was convinced of Mussolini's Jewish origins. There, THEIR Jews were not particularly infringed upon, ESPECIALLY cross-breeds and half-breeds. And yes, the Jews openly served in the Italian and Spanish troops, and even in the Hungarian ones (in the USSR after the war it turned out that EMNIP 150000 prisoners of Jewish nationality, as they determined it is not clear, the skulls and noses were measured as in the Gestapo? It is unlikely. the fact that a clever Hungarian or Romanian could well lie that I was "an oppressed nationality, I was forcibly taken into the army" in the hope that he would not be allowed to flow - it is quite likely.

                You are wrong about Hungary. Jews from the Hungarian army were fired even before the war (the policy of the Horthy regime), and Jews were drafted (taken) into labor battalions. Of the 50 thousand Jews called up to these units, about 40 thousand died, and these units were used as "suicide bombers" (for example, for passage through minefields) and their return to their homeland was not planned. It was they who poured from one captivity to another. I wrote about this in detail earlier on VO.
        2. 0
          30 September 2021 09: 43
          Where, where do you get this nonsense and bullshit on a moonlit night. There were Judenrats, but they DIDN'T MAKE decisions there. They kept their own people under control, hoping that they would be spared for the "service" of such "valuable cadres". Excellently written in the novel "Heavy Sand"
      2. +1
        30 September 2021 09: 28
        Quote: professor
        Hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens quietly served the Nazis and worked even more for them.

        After the war, many were punished for this, although now they are trying to present them as victims of the Soviet Power-Stalinist regime, as they say today.
        Quote: professor
        Well, if there is "a lot," then it will not be difficult for you, mister sovramshi, to name 10 names, not 10000, not 1000, or even 100, but only 10 names.

        About Milch, you can not even mention, already tired. For example, Colonel Walter Hollander, whose mother was Jewish. In July 1943, at the Kursk Bulge, his anti-tank brigade destroyed 21 Soviet tanks in one battle.
        Major Robert Borchardt was also a Knight's Cross. His father Philip, according to the Nuremberg laws - a Jew, ended up in a concentration camp, but was released from prison and in 1938 emigrated to Great Britain. Robert, as a "half-Jew", was dismissed from the army, but managed to obtain "Aryan" documents, after which he was reinstated in military service. In 1941, the commander of a tank battalion, Major Borchardt, fought on the Eastern Front and distinguished himself for his personal courage.
        Abwehr Major Ernst Bloch was one of the two sons of the Berlin Jewish doctor Oskar Bloch and the German woman Margaret Schoenberg. In 1935 he entered the military intelligence service, was engaged in economic espionage. Received a certificate of "purity" of his origin: "I, Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer of the German nation, hereby confirm that Ernst Bloch is of special German blood."
        "PERFECT ARYAN" WERNER GOLDBERG - here, of course, not everything is great, but still ...
        . The ISRAELI newspaper "Vesti" published a sensational material about 150 thousand Jewish soldiers and officers who fought in the Nazi army ... In January 1944, the personnel department of the Wehrmacht prepared a secret list of 77 high-ranking officers and generals "mixed with the Jewish race or married to Jewish women. " All 77 had Hitler's personal certificates of "German blood". Among those listed on the list - 23 colonels, 5 major generals, 8 lieutenant generals and two full generals ... This list could be supplemented by one of the sinister figures of the Nazi regime - Reinhard Heydrich, the favorite of the Fuhrer and head of the RSHA, who controlled the Gestapo, the criminal police , intelligence and counterintelligence. All his life (fortunately, for a short time), he fought against rumors of Jewish origin.

        Heydrich was born in 1904 in Leipzig in the family of the director of the conservatory. Family history says that his grandmother married a Jew shortly after the birth of the father of the future RSHA chief. As a child, the older boys beat Reinhard, calling him a Jew.
        True, I have not read the original of this article, I confess. hi
      3. +5
        30 September 2021 10: 20
        Yes and more
        Quote: professor
        Only in these ghettos there were Jews, Belarusian, Ukrainian, but Jews.

        These were Soviet citizens, and in Khatyn they burned Soviet citizens, and near the walls of the Brest Fortress, Efim Moiseevich Fomin was shot, who was first of all a Soviet officer (red commander), regimental commissar and only then a Jew. But we remember him from the first two points, exactly as One of the leaders of the defense of the Brest Fortress in June 1941., and not as a Jew. No matter how offended you were, but precisely as a SOVIET MAN who fought with the enemies of his country.
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        2. +2
          30 September 2021 19: 59
          in the Fortress in July - August 1941, the forces of the 307th police battalion shot about 5000 Jews precisely as Jews.
          Fomin under the "Directive on the Treatment of Political Commissars", according to which the Wehrmacht was obliged to immediately eliminate the commissars and police officers.
          1. +1
            1 October 2021 00: 31
            Quote: sidoroff
            in the Fortress in July - August 1941, the forces of the 307th police battalion shot about 5000 Jews precisely as Jews.

            But these were Soviet citizens, and therefore they are included in the total losses of the Soviet Union in that war.
            1. +1
              1 October 2021 03: 18
              well, the Jews of Brest had time to be Soviet citizens. it's not about the post-war
              statistics. Jews from Germany exterminated in
              Minsk ghetto, in losses
              The Soviet Union was not included.
              1. 0
                1 October 2021 06: 14
                Quote: sidoroff
                Jews from Germany exterminated in
                Minsk ghetto, in losses
                The Soviet Union was not included.

                Is the Soviet Union to blame for this? If anything, then in the same Minsk, in addition to the ghetto, there were several concentration camps, where ordinary Soviet people, prisoners of war were destroyed in no less quantity than Jews, ordinary Soviet people, prisoners of war ... And then you get it: you still know I sympathize with your grief, but you understand it from me any more.
                1. +1
                  1 October 2021 07: 17
                  you and Soviet citizens
                  not very sympathetic.
                  the statistics graph is the main thing.
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2021 07: 35
                    Quote: sidoroff
                    you and Soviet citizens
                    not very sympathetic.

                    Where did you get this from? Just because I do not single out the suffering of the Jews separately and do not put them above the suffering of all Soviet people who fell at the hands of the Germans and their accomplices? Then yes, you can't argue with you.
                    1. +1
                      1 October 2021 09: 38
                      if you mention that
                      Jews were killed precisely because
                      they are Jews, take for
                      an attempt to "put higher"
                      then you are wrong.
                      1. +1
                        1 October 2021 11: 35
                        Quote: sidoroff
                        if you mention that
                        Jews were killed precisely because
                        they are Jews, take for
                        an attempt to "put higher"
                        then you are wrong.
                        Well, they killed the communists because they are communists. Russians for being Russians, Belarusians for being Belarusians, children for being small, adults for being big ... They didn't care who to kill on the territory of the Soviet Union. for them, any Soviet person was equal to the word enemy. The fact that some they destroyed immediately, and others a little later, does not increase the suffering of some and does not diminish the suffering of others. On what I bow hi
        3. 0
          1 October 2021 11: 57
          Quote: Fitter65
          These were Soviet citizens, and in Khatyn they burned Soviet citizens ...
          ... these were Soviet citizens, and therefore they are included in the total losses of the Soviet Union in that war.

          This is for you, and for the Nazis they were first and foremost Jews, and then everything else.
          How does it not reach you that your (Soviet) opinion does not play a role here, from the word at all, because the Nazis divided people in their concepts, and not according to yours.
          And they didn't care deeply who a person was considered from the Soviet point of view.
          1. 0
            1 October 2021 12: 05
            Quote: And Us Rat
            it will not reach you that your opinion does not matter here, from the word at all,

            The fact that my opinion does not matter here, I already know. And it makes no difference to me according to what such concepts the Nazis divided people, I am not a Nazi, I am a descendant of the WINNER of Nazism. Now what is the purpose of dividing the innocently murdered, who has suffered more of them, who has suffered less.
            Quote: And Us Rat
            for the Nazis he was primarily a Jew

            Or is it, first of all, the Commissioner? !!
            1. -1
              1 October 2021 13: 03
              Quote: Fitter65
              Now what is the purpose of dividing the innocently murdered, who has suffered more of them, who has suffered less.

              The question is not "more / less", the question is in the root cause, in the initial conditions and premises.
              In order not to forget and prevent repetition. Human nature - to step on a rake, forgetting about the previous ones. The Holocaust happened precisely because the Jews of Europe relaxed after a couple of generations of relative calm and forgot about the pogroms.
              It may not matter to you, but it does matter to Jews.
              It does not matter in which group of victims you write them down after the fact, the root cause of what happened is important.
              And this is a fact from which it goes nowhere - the Jews were officially considered enemy number 1 for the Reich, and were the main reason for the creation of death camps, and everyone else got there on a leftover principle. Like, since there is, then what not to use.
              И only a carefully planned project to destroy an entire nation was called "The Final Solution Jewish question ", not Buryat, not Georgian or Moldavian, but Jewish.
              That is why any attempts to erase and "forget" the root cause of the tragedy are perceived as attempts to rewrite history and justify nazism, and will always meet indignation and rebuff.
              The Poles have already felt this on their own skin, with their bestial law on self-whitening.
            2. -1
              1 October 2021 13: 10
              Quote: Fitter65
              Or is it, first of all, the Commissioner? !!

              And it doesn’t matter.
              If he had not been a commissar, being Russian, Yakut or Kazakh, he would have had a chance to survive, but as a Jew, he had no chance.
              Do you understand the difference?
  6. +8
    29 September 2021 06: 43
    Long ago, when I was a young man and studied in Kiev, I visited Babi Yar. Moreover, by chance - I decided to "cut" the corner and go through the landscaped park.
    Paths, benches, mothers with strollers ... And I walk and look around - such a heavy feeling. If it’s not real, but a nightmare dream.
    I looked - there was some kind of monument ahead. Only not understandable (I approached him from behind). Only when I walked around and read it, I realized where I ended up.
    But that feeling of heaviness, grief, grief was remembered for the rest of my life ...
  7. +13
    29 September 2021 06: 55
    Without local volunteers, nationalists, such executions would have been difficult for the Germans to carry out. And here they are, always please ready
    And they were engaged in the execution of not only Jews, but also citizens of the USSR and other nationalities. In general, the topic of betrayal, during the Second World War, is diligently bypassed. What a sin to conceal, traitors in cruelty, surpassed their masters. It's not even the number of them, there weren't so many of them as they are trying to imagine now, but still there was enough. Motives. What drove them? Impunity? Permissiveness? Or just selfishness. In the USSR, this topic was hushed up, it is clear for what reasons, they did not want to cast a shadow on the friendship of peoples. Now why they are hushed up, one can guess. Than those then differ from the present.
    Without comprehending the past, you will not understand the present. So the topic of betrayal is waiting in the wings.
    1. -26
      29 September 2021 08: 18
      The Germans did not like to engage in mass executions, they preferred to shift this matter to local traitors and collaborators, especially among the Ukrainians and Balts. It is no secret that in concentration camps, the entire rank and file usually consisted of prisoners of war of Ukrainian nationality, only the administration of the concentration camps consisted of Germans. In the same way, the executions in Babi Yar were led by the Germans, and the executions were carried out by Ukrainian policemen. The Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans, and such barbaric cruelty as the Ukrainians did, did not.
      1. +18
        29 September 2021 10: 18
        The perpetrators of the massacre of Jews in Babi Yar have long been established, including by name. These are the Germans from the Sonderkommando 4a of the Eiznatzgruppe "S" and the German policemen.
        The Einsatzgruppen Case established that the executions on September 29 and 30, 1941 in Babi Yar were carried out by Sonderkommando 4a of the Eiznatzgruppa C under the leadership of SS Standartenfuehrer Paul Blobel with the support of the 45th and 303rd battalions of the German police (German Polizei-Bataillon) of the order of the police regiment "South"

        And your clumsy attempts to justify the Nazis for their crimes are monstrous
        Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans

        Yeah, one more about the fact that the Bavarian would be drunk: (((
        1. -10
          29 September 2021 11: 06
          Quote: Avior

          And your clumsy attempts to justify the Nazis for their crimes are monstrous

          It is your monstrous attempts to keep silent about the monstrous crimes of Ukrainian collaborators and Nazis who served Hitler and massacred Poles, Jews, Gypsies, Russians, and Communists by hundreds of thousands.
          1. +11
            29 September 2021 11: 40
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Quote: Avior

            And your clumsy attempts to justify the Nazis for their crimes are monstrous

            It is your monstrous attempts to keep silent about the monstrous crimes of Ukrainian collaborators and Nazis who served Hitler and massacred Poles, Jews, Gypsies, Russians, and Communists by hundreds of thousands.

            Yes, everyone there was good, just without the German occupation, the events described in the article would not have happened.
            1. -1
              29 September 2021 14: 00
              Why wouldn't this happen? Or are the Germans now occupying the Ruin too?
              1. +7
                29 September 2021 15: 40
                No, well, let's remember Khmelnitsky - tens of thousands of Poles and Jews were torn to pieces by his Cossacks.
                1. +6
                  29 September 2021 18: 41
                  I, as a true mishling, burn with "special love" for the Ukrainians-Bandera. My grandfather, who participated in the elimination of Bandera gangs of formations, and even received a Red Star for this, told me. "What is he German - he is that your car. They will tell him - shoot - will shoot. He will be told not to shoot - will not shoot. He will be ordered to behave in a civilized manner - will behave civilly. In the First World War we had Germans, even before I was born. my father told me. So they did not touch anyone, not a single person, the bandits - yes, they shot, and they shot correctly. 41m, many did not leave, they remembered that the Kaiser did not touch anyone in the villages and townships. , beggars farms and villages to pull them out of the ignorance of the illiteracy in which they sat ... You don't need to know that. Were worse than the Germans. dts. Their nature is like that. "The same grandfather told me that for every hero like Kovpak (whom the grandfather knew PERSONALLY, though it was a nodding sign) there were at least the same number of Bandera traitors.

                  My grandfather was echoed by one of the old men whom I met already in the USA. He wanted to publish his memoirs, I don't know if he had time or not. He survived in the Lvov ghetto. Rather, he was able to escape from there and nailed to the partisans. Further from his words.
                  “When they drove us into the ghetto, the Ukrainians strove to kill us, or just hit us with a stick, or spit, rob. Women and girls and even girls were raped. The Germans had to protect us from these bastards. At least they seemed to me to be elderly. When people came to the fence to either give something or more often exchange something, the Germans pretended not to see anything, deliberately turned away "to smoke a cigarette", but the Ukrainians were furious. who came to change something, their own Ukrainians, beasts, pure beasts.

                  I also know very well what a subhuman Khmelnitsky was. Like any mishling, I have been told enough about the stories of the ancestors of my father, a Jew. And the story of my mother's ancestors - Russian. I have heard about the "exploits" of Khmelnitsky, who managed to get Lula in all clashes with the Polish Troops, even inferior in number, but adored reprisals against civilians, whether they were Poles or Jews. And I also heard about the mounds of Jewish heads. I also heard about how the same Khmelnitsky sold Russians and Ukrainians into Ottoman slavery, and read about it. How in the USSR they decided to make a hero out of such scum as Khmelnitsky is unclear. A little digging in historical books and all his "exploits" come to the surface. And he fought not for "freedom of the people" and not for "Orthodox faith" but for privileges for his class. I read all this back in Kiev in the Central Library of the KPI, where my mother's friend Rita Nemelman worked, and who showed me everything very quickly.
                  The joke was when I wrote all this in an essay on the History of the Ukrainian SSR. Gevalt and the most grandiose nix climbed right up to Raiono. But I got my 5 points, and I had a great thrill to look at the hari of these "national cadres" distorted by horror. I was a high-level troll without even knowing that I was a high-level troll. They could not fail to give me a "5". All sources were officially acknowledged. So they took the essay from me, gave 5 points and told me next time to ask which sources can be used and which cannot :-). Marasmus. It's like "We read here, we don't read here, here we wrapped the fish."
                  1. +4
                    29 September 2021 21: 38
                    And in Kiev there is a monument to this ghoul
          2. +3
            29 September 2021 13: 41
            You somehow "forget" about the Lokot Republic.
            Although, as in the case of Babi Yar, there are installed
            the names of the criminals and they are convicted, i.e. there are documents.
            You have been given excerpts from official sources twice,
            where the responsibility of those who committed
            crimes in Babi Yar.
            Follow a good example and provide documents that
            confirm your unfounded allegations
            "local traitors and collaborators, there were especially many of them among the Ukrainians"
            [B] [/ b]
            Or do you work for an overseas uncle and sow enmity between
            peoples?
            1. -10
              29 September 2021 13: 51
              Quote: Kushka
              You somehow "forget" about the Lokot Republic.

              The leader of this Lokot republic was Bronislav Kaminsky, who (guess who he was by nationality !!!) was Ukrainian. I hope you will not classify Oskar Dirlivanger as a Russian?
              1. +4
                29 September 2021 14: 18
                Are you generally a literate person?
                Why are you talking nonsense all the time?
                Bronislaw Kaminsky was born on June 16, 1899 in the countyless town of Dobrzyn, Lipnovsky district of the Płock province of the Kingdom of Poland (now the town of Dobrzyń nad Vislon of the Dobrzyń nad Vislon commune of the Lipnov district of the Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland) [2]. According to other sources - in the village of Dobrzhin, Polotsk district, Vitebsk province [3] (?) Or in the village. Dobrun (Belorussian Dabrun) of the Dokshitsy district of the Vitebsk region of Belarus, which at that time was part of the Borisov district of the Minsk province. Happened from Russified Polish a noble family that began its history in St. Petersburg at the end of the 4th century [XNUMX].
                1. -9
                  29 September 2021 15: 18
                  Bronislaw Kaminsky was born on June 16, 1899 in the countyless town of Dobrzyn, Lipnovsky district of the Płock province of the Kingdom of Poland (now the town of Dobrzyń nad Vislon of the Dobrzyń nad Vislon commune of the Lipnov district of the Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland)

                  Does this make Bronislav Russian? Are you delusional?
                  1. +5
                    29 September 2021 15: 51
                    Well, where does Russian / not Russian?
                    Did you claim that he is Ukrainian? Approved!
                    I write that this is not true! Congratulations lied.
                    But the fact that Kaminsky is a native of a Polish noble family
                    and in addition, a patented St. Petersburg, and even a career agent of the NKVD
                    since 1940 - it's not for me, it's for Vicki.
                    And I suggest you answer your question yourself:
                    Tsiolkovsky (there was a large research publication at VO) -
                    also came from a Polish noble family. His ancestor
                    spent many years to achieve, on this basis, the restoration
                    in the Russian nobility and achieved his goal, but not during his lifetime.
                    This gave the right. Tsiolkovsky, as a nobleman, to become a teacher in Russia.
                    Now answer yourself, is Tsiolkovsky a Russian or a Pole?
                    (Don't say that he was also Ukrainian, thank you.
                    After all, in his old age, he had such quirks, worse than the Fuhrer,
                    otherwise you will hang eugenics on the Ukrainians, it will become of you)
                2. +3
                  29 September 2021 17: 06
                  Quote: Kushka
                  Are you generally a literate person?
                  Why are you talking nonsense all the time?

                  Because a clinical case. Now he will tell you who was born in the small Ukrainian village of Braunau
                  1. +2
                    29 September 2021 18: 13
                    Come on. Another thing pisses me off. It doesn't take much mind to
                    screaming at every corner - fascists, Nazis - hate them.
                    BUT! The Fuhrer somewhere FIRST took several million "stitched"
                    performers who burned thousands of Belarusian villages,
                    many of them two or even three times! And I took it here: first
                    ONE removed those who already had something in their heads, then those who remained,
                    for those who have an empty space in their heads, these are the KUZI CATS in the sweat of their brow,
                    day and night shoved there - they are subhuman, kill them, burn them.
                    We did it using all available technologies. That's who STARTED!
                    As a result, our peoples have received a terrible massacre.
                    So no, it's not enough for them again - they sat down on all the resources and hammer out - non-brothers,
                    Banderlog, Nazis, Fascists. Oh, And Tuukraintsy! Forward Girkins and
                    Bezlers! And themselves - on the sofa, warm and ABSOLUTELY UNPUNISHED!
                    What are they trying to achieve? Yugoslavia 2.0? The more the Slavs kill
                    the better the Slavs? For whom is it better?

                    -
                    1. 0
                      29 September 2021 18: 41
                      Quote: Kushka
                      What are they trying to achieve?

                      Yes, this loud parsley does not achieve anything. This is a common household grumbling. Well, the textbook old women at the entrances with their "practices and drug addicts" are trying to achieve morality and a healthy lifestyle, or what?
                      1. -1
                        29 September 2021 21: 04
                        Your words, but in the ears (who needs it).
                        Thank you, you corrected me very opportunely.
                        You are undoubtedly right, there is no reason at all to be so hot.
                        And on the topic of grandmothers at the entrance:
                        In the absence of, the grandmothers of the 5th entrance appointed
                        the prostitute of the janitor Vaska.
                    2. -1
                      29 September 2021 23: 43
                      Quote: Kushka
                      BUT! The Fuhrer somewhere FIRST took several million "stitched"
                      performers who burned thousands of Belarusian villages,
                      many of them two or even three times!

                      You are lying, but do not lie! Are you whitewashing the Ukrainian Nazis again? Khatyn, in your opinion, who burned it? Germans or Ukrainians? Yes, Khatyn was burned by Ukrainians, who were recruited by the Germans by the millions as punishers, SS soldiers, policemen, concentration camp guards and other scum. I hope you won't deny it?
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          4. +3
            29 September 2021 23: 00
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            It is your monstrous attempts to keep silent about the monstrous crimes of Ukrainian collaborators and Nazis.

            Don't worry, there were no less Russian collaborators
            1. -6
              29 September 2021 23: 44
              Quote: burger
              Don't worry, there were no less Russian collaborators

              Can I have a link? Or are you lying again to whitewash the Ukrainian Hitlerite executioners and lackeys?
              1. +2
                30 September 2021 00: 02
                Unlike you, I never lie, sometimes I am only mistaken.
                Indeed, military service on the side of the enemy in 1941-1945 was carried out by approximately 1,24 million citizens of the Soviet Union: 400 thousand Russians (including 80 thousand in Cossack formations), 250 thousand Ukrainians, 180 thousand representatives of the peoples of the Middle Asia, 90 thousand Latvians, 70 thousand Estonians, 40 thousand representatives of the peoples of the Volga region, 38,5 thousand Azerbaijanis, 37 thousand Lithuanians, 28 thousand representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus, 20 thousand Belarusians, 20 thousand Georgians, 20 thousand Crimean Tatars, 20 thousand Soviet Germans and Volksdeutsche, 18 thousand Armenians, 5 thousand Kalmyks, 4,5 thousand Ingrians.

                http://historicaldis.ru/blog/43302183596/Bolshoe-intervyu-Kirilla-Aleksandrova
                Except for the Balts, the Cossacks were the most marked in this case as a percentage of the total number of representatives of the ethnic group.
                1. -3
                  30 September 2021 00: 37
                  Quote: burger
                  180 thousand representatives of the peoples of Central Asia

                  You would at least provide a link not from such slops :)))). What is not 180 million? This is from the level of modern ukropaganda, which tells about Moscow, where 80% of the population is Caucasians, and the entire Far East is already inhabited by Chinese :)))).
                  1. +2
                    30 September 2021 01: 28
                    But you do not give any references at all, but you are lying that there were more Ukrainians.
                    Here are other estimates
                    As for the number of representatives of different peoples of the Soviet Union who donned the enemy's uniform, the following figures, obtained on the basis of German documents and by calculation, based on data on individual groups of anti-Soviet formations, allow us to judge it, based on data on individual groups of anti-Soviet formations: Russians - over 300 thousand, Ukrainians - 250 thousand, Belarusians - 70 thousand, Cossacks - 70 thousand, Latvians - 150 thousand, Estonians - 90 thousand, Lithuanians - 50 thousand, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmen and other peoples of Central Asia - about 70 thousand, Azerbaijanis - up to 40 thousand, North Caucasians - up to 30 thousand, Georgians - 25 thousand, Armenians - 20 thousand, Volga Tatars - 12,5 thousand, Crimean Tatars - 10 thousand, Kalmyks - 7 thousand people

                    http://militera.org/articles/tags/wars/20/952/t41557/
                    1. -3
                      30 September 2021 01: 34
                      Well, there are at least more real numbers in the form of 70 thousand, and not 180 thousand. By the way, do you also believe Nikita Petrov, who in 2010 talked about one and a half BILLION of those innocently arrested under Yezhov? Or believe Solzhenitsyn, who in 1976 in an interview with Spanish television talked about 110 million Soviet citizens killed by the Soviet regime?
                      Will this Austrian artist also be included in the "victims of the Stalinist terror"?

                      1. +3
                        30 September 2021 03: 00
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Well, there are at least more real numbers in the form of 70 thousand, and not 180 thousand.

                        As far as I understand, you are convinced that there were no fewer Russian collaborators than Ukrainian ones?
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        By the way, do you also believe Nikita Petrov, who in 2010 talked about one and a half BILLION of those innocently arrested under Yezhov?

                        Who is Petrov? Do you believe that, for example, Ukrainians are collaborators by definition, I know about the number of repressed from the certificate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs dated 11.12.53/XNUMX/XNUMX

                        And I know that over four million innocent victims have been rehabilitated.

                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Will this Austrian artist also be included in the "victims of the Stalinist terror"?

                        Why talk nonsense. Nonsense badly characterizes the person who voiced it.
                      2. 0
                        1 October 2021 17: 16
                        Quote: burger

                        And I know that over four million innocent victims have been rehabilitated.

                        Rehabilitated as well as imprisoned - according to the order. They lowered the order for 4 million from Khrushchev from above, said "Yes!" and rehabilitated. Next to us lived such a translator from the Gestapo, so he told us, the children, passing by terrible things, until we threw stones and mud at him.
                      3. 0
                        1 October 2021 19: 24
                        Quote: Pushkar
                        Rehabilitated as well as imprisoned - according to the order.

                        Those who were repressed by the troikas, yes, you can't argue. One point, the troika is an extrajudicial body directly violating the current constitution at that time, that is, the troika is an illegal body, all those convicted by such a body were accordingly convicted unlawfully, respectively, their guilt was not proven in the prescribed manner, respectively, they are not guilty, and everyone involved in the creation and functioning these extrajudicial bodies are criminals.
                        Hence the conclusion that all those convicted by troikas are subject to rehabilitation only for the fact that they were convicted by troikas.
            2. +1
              30 September 2021 11: 43
              Thank you for your shoulder, but we are
              let's not interrupt
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            4. 0
              30 September 2021 22: 04
              Quote: burger
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              It is your monstrous attempts to keep silent about the monstrous crimes of Ukrainian collaborators and Nazis.

              Don't worry, there were no less Russian collaborators

              Vlasovites and policemen in Russia were imprisoned and hanged - but in Ukraine Banderas and Shukhevychs are now in heroes.
              1. 0
                30 September 2021 23: 43
                You never can tell

                1. 0
                  1 October 2021 17: 07
                  Quote: burger
                  You never can tell

                  Where is this monument? And has the title "Hero of Russia" been awarded to Mannerheim?
                  1. +1
                    1 October 2021 21: 05
                    Well, OK. And what Conclusions can be drawn from this?
      2. +9
        29 September 2021 10: 43
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        The Germans did not like to engage in mass executions, they preferred to shift this matter to local traitors and collaborators, especially among the Ukrainians and Balts. It is no secret that in concentration camps, the entire rank and file usually consisted of prisoners of war of Ukrainian nationality, only the administration of the concentration camps consisted of Germans. In the same way, the executions in Babi Yar were led by the Germans, and the executions were carried out by Ukrainian policemen. The Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans, and such barbaric cruelty as the Ukrainians did, did not.

        Loved, how
        Well, if there are those who wish, from local volunteers, then why not, let them shoot, they will take pictures of themselves.
        It is not necessary to put all Ukrainians under the same rubbish. My mother is Ukrainian, from the Sumy region, my grandfather is an officer of the NKVD troops, she was catching underdogs in Lithuania
        Yes, Ivan Kozhedub, my mother's fellow countryman from Shostkinsky district. There were of course bastards, but mostly from the western regions. And in our Bryansk region, what are they worth, Voskoboinikov with Kaminsky, an aspen stake in their grave. The question is, how do they become like that? What pushes you to do such things? After all, they lived nearby for years, and suddenly they became villains. Why?
        1. +8
          29 September 2021 11: 43
          So the absolute majority, more than 90%, of Ukrainians fought in the ranks of the Red Army, no one says bad things about the whole nation.
          The question is, how do they become like that? What pushes you to do such things? After all, they lived nearby for years, and suddenly they became villains. Why?

          Sewers burst, shit floated
          1. +3
            29 September 2021 12: 24
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Sewers burst, shit floated

            An oversimplified view of such a phenomenon as betrayal.
            1. +3
              29 September 2021 13: 24
              Betrayal is from the categories of the moral code of decent people, it has nothing to do with shit laughing
      3. +5
        29 September 2021 11: 25
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans

        And you follow the link provided by "Waterways 672" (Yuri Bykov) Today, 11:12, there are Europeans in the photo, mostly Germans are introduced to their "cultural achievements"
        1. +7
          29 September 2021 11: 45
          Quote: Dym71
          Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans

          Europeans very culturally cut each other and those around them since the times of the Greek city-states, Roman conquests, etc. laughing
          1. +3
            29 September 2021 12: 01
            Good day!
            Once in a hundred years we get to know this "cradle of progress" with our own eyes. Yes
            1. +4
              29 September 2021 13: 24
              Greetings! hi
              It's good that once every 100 years)))
          2. +3
            29 September 2021 22: 31
            Yeah, and the Germans during the 30 year war soaked each other so that in some provinces 20% of the population remained, everything, of course, for the glory of Christ. Rather, for the sake of the opportunity to engage in usury and banking. The Catholic Church then gave permission for polygamy, purely to make up for demographic losses. More than one person told me that the 30-year war forever broke the psyche of the Germans as an ethnic group.
            1. +1
              29 September 2021 22: 48
              I think not only her. The country, divided into a bunch of principalities, was constantly in a state of war with each other, external enemies and, for an ostracism, from time to time expelled / slaughtered its gypsies and Jews
              1. 0
                1 October 2021 19: 53
                Not only she, but poor Germany during the 30-year war went through something that even the USSR did not go through during the Great Patriotic War. In some districts, the Germans (not without the help of others) destroyed 80% of their population. We are not talking about a village, but about entire districts. I think that after that the Germans did not care who to cut - there would have been an order. They just, like an ethnic group, have a cracked psyche.
                1. 0
                  2 October 2021 08: 45
                  Since the days of Rome, the Germans were distinguished by their peacefulness and meek disposition) (.
          3. +1
            30 September 2021 13: 21
            And they perfectly burned their own in the Middle Ages! And the Holy Inquisition found tasks to find the enemies of the faith and the people. You can't do without it. Right?
            1. +1
              30 September 2021 14: 29
              Phot so enlightened Ephroppa fellow
            2. 0
              1 October 2021 19: 50
              So many myths have been created about the Inquisition, moreover, black myths that rake and rake. Actually, according to the law, in order to thunder at the stake, it was necessary not only to be caught on "heresy", but to be caught on it TWICE. If the person quickly repented, and acknowledged everything, then he could be released altogether, or sent to repentance. But if they caught on heresy for the SECOND time - mnda, there was a khan. Giordano Bruno, by the way, was not burned for astronomy. Well, there were no good and fluffy ones there even then. Sometimes you look at the modern world, massively crazy, when people do not know what gender they are, when morals, norms, traditions and concepts are simply destroyed under the cries of "Who are you to judge me, I am a free, unique creative person worthy of respect and admiration only the fact of its existence ". and you think that in general it would be harmless to return the Inquisition.
              1. 0
                2 October 2021 11: 00
                And the Holy Inquisition still exists today! She just has other tasks and other problems now. And burning people is no longer relevant - in Western Europe there is now a demographic failure ... Here either the birth rate should be increased, or the immigrants should be launched.
                1. +2
                  2 October 2021 19: 57
                  We tried to launch emigrants - it turns out a complete garbage. If Europe does not wake up, then in 100 years there will be a European Caliphate.
      4. +1
        29 September 2021 16: 56
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Germans are a cultured nation, Europeans.

        Reminded:
        1. +6
          29 September 2021 22: 35
          Are Germans a cultured nation? Undoubtedly. Educated, with manners, with great poets, painters, architects and sculptors and composers. Germans CULTURAL RACE.
          Are the British cultured? Undoubtedly. Not so much as the Germans, they still have few composers and artists, but still Cultural.
          Attention, but how CULTURAL British treated: Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, Chinese, Negroes. And if one can argue that the blacks did not have a culture, then India and China WAS.
          The fact that you are a cultured person: educated, with manners, versed in both the sciences and the arts does NOT MEAN at all that you will treat people below you in development or people of ANOTHER culture well. Rather the opposite is true.
          1. 0
            30 September 2021 14: 31
            and how the CULTURAL British treated: Hindus, Pakistanis, Arabs, Chinese, Negroes.

            Not bad, unlike the French and Belgians. Just shaved sly asses, for this they were not loved
            1. +1
              30 September 2021 23: 11
              Sit down TWO. Talk to the Indians, they will tell you very quickly how the British robbed them and destroyed their civilization. Talk to the Chinese, they will tell you how the British robbed them and put the population of the country on opium. Well, further down the list. Learn history, sir. Which, by the way, does not justify the bloody frenzy that the Belgian chocolatiers did in the Belgian Congo. As we can see, the executioner of the chocolate-maker - Poroshenko had worthy ideological ancestors - the executioners of the chocolate-makers are Belgians.
              1. +1
                1 October 2021 02: 14
                All true, but it says more about cunning than cruelty. Basically, they bribed local kings for the sake of monopoly trade, then they set up kings and so on. India was originally a commercial project of the East India Company, so it comes as no surprise. As for China, everyone was noted there, incl. RI.
  8. +6
    29 September 2021 11: 12
    In order to prevent this from happening again, the Americans forced ordinary Germans to dig up bodies from common graves, collect the dead in the surrounding forests and roads, and bury them humanly. With bare hands.https: //ale-ku.livejournal.com/382066.html
    1. +8
      29 September 2021 11: 47
      The mayor of Dachau hanged himself after briefly acquainting all residents of the city with a nearby concentration camp and providing the Americans with documentary evidence that the mayor knew everything about what was happening.
    2. +6
      30 September 2021 02: 02
      We did it absolutely right. By the way, it was the Americans who liberated some kind of concentration camp, after looking at everything that was there, drove everyone who was guarding this concentration camp, and without asking who was doing what, they let everyone go into the expense. They just shot them to hell, although at first they thought to hang everyone, like in the Wild West. Without any courts, delays and excuses. It is a pity that the Soviet troops did not do that and wasted their time on all kinds of courts and tribunals. What difference does it make if the guard Hans earned the tower only 3 times, and the guard Fritz earned the tower 33 times?
      1. +1
        1 October 2021 03: 00
        Quote: Baron Pardus
        By the way, it was the Americans who liberated some kind of concentration camp, after looking at everything that was there, drove everyone who was guarding this concentration camp, and without asking who was doing what, they let everyone go into the expense.


        Yes, it was when the Americans liberated the Dachau concentration camp. Martin Socorsese played it in the movie "Isle of the Damned" - the hero of DiCaprio is tormented by nightmares there from this massacre, in which he took part
      2. 0
        1 October 2021 12: 19
        It was different. My grandfather's brother told me.
    3. +4
      30 September 2021 13: 22
      Although I do not like amerikosov, but here I agree with them.
  9. -1
    29 September 2021 12: 47
    Gorbachev's communists, today's liberals, that is, those who turned the Slavic people on the path of slinging the West behind the West, organized not by the invasion of phishism on the USSR, should be damned for centuries. Those who like the current anti-Russian government there and who dream of the death of Russia day and night in this 404 must also be pinned down for centuries. And there are so many dreaming people there! Who stood up for the Berkutovites? Crimea, Donbvs, and Russia, and the others in this 404 berkutov did not even bandage the wounded. But the curse is a priest's word! Therefore, a right-wing blow to the nest of Bender's fascism, it is difficult to inflict not curses, but the specific caliber of General Ariya Shoigu. That would not be too late again. And what is the name of the genocide of the Russian and Belarusian people? That the genocide of the Jews is called Holakoust, we know it And what is the name of the genocide of the Russians under Gilara in the temporarily occupied part of the USSR and in Europe?
    1. +4
      29 September 2021 14: 00
      Quote: north 2
      that is, those who turned the Slav people on the path of slinging the West after the West, organized not by the invasion of phishism on the USSR, should be damned for centuries.

      and the Chinese should also be cursed, who made such inconvenient buttons on the smartphone! laughing
  10. BAI
    +5
    29 September 2021 16: 36
    In the occupied territories of the USSR and Poland, the Germans killed almost 90% of the Jews. This is impossible without the help of the local population. My father-in-law's family was hanged in Belarus after being denounced by neighbors.
    1. -5
      29 September 2021 16: 42
      Impossible, of course.
      Well, if only, would you help?
    2. +1
      30 September 2021 01: 59
      At my grandfather Joseph (the one who was a border guard), the UKRAINIANS hanged his brother and the whole family of his brother: his wife and three children. Moreover, he was hanged by a UKRAINIAN (not a German), to whom they went from year to year to the village REST, who knew them very well. When the Germans arrived, they were there, they simply did not have time to evacuate. The Ukrainian immediately ran to the Germans and said that they say in my house there is a Jew, a communist, and an officer along with the whole family. Grandfather Misha was a communist and a Jew, but he was not an officer, he was a railway engineer. The Germans praised this Ukrainian, through a translator, and said that they say you hate them? The Ukrainian said that he hates, the Germans told him, well, hang them yourself. And that was done. And grandfather Joseph was told about this very quickly when he returned to that village in 1945. Since grandfather Joseph did not look like a Jew, and spoke excellent German and Polish and Ukrainian, (by the way, he learned English very quickly in the USA, he even read Jack London and Fichtwanger in the original, he was sent as a border guard to fight Bandera underground, and he knew that his brother and his family had been killed, and went to the village to find out what and how, and when they saw him with a platoon of other NKVD officers, they told him everything very quickly. tell about "Repressions of the NKVDs against innocent honest kind Ukrainians" - I always tell this story.
  11. +5
    29 September 2021 17: 32
    On the occasion of the 80th anniversary of Babi Yar, the German Embassy, ​​together with the Ukrainian Holocaust Center (A. Podolsky) and the Kiev City Hall, are opening a memorial sign to the Nazi collaborator, an accomplice in the murder of the Jews of Kiev, a member of the OUN, burgomaster of Kiev in 1941-1942, Volodymyr Bagaziy.

    Eduard dolinsky
    September 27, 15:58 ·
    In connection with the intention of the German Embassy, ​​the mayor of Kiev and the center of the Holocaust to erect a memorial sign in honor of the Nazi collaborator, the mayor of Kiev Bagaziy for the 80th anniversary of Babi Yar, I would like to quote from the protocol of interrogation of policeman Vasily Pokotilo from the personal security of the mayor.
    “After transferring me to work in the bodyguard of Bogaziy, I began to go with him to the executions. There were three such trips.
    For the first time, 100 people were shot, which included Jews, prisoners of war and partisans. The shooting was carried out in
    “Babi Yar”, the Germans fired from a machine gun.
    The bodies were buried by prisoners of war brought specially for this purpose.
    The second time I was present with Bogaziy at the execution of more than 200 Soviet citizens. This execution presented a terrible picture. When the men were shot, the women and children stood aside and, watching what was happening, fell unconscious.
    When the turn came to shoot the women, the children were taken away from them, but they did not give them back. Then the German forcibly pulled out the child, shot him, and then
    shot his mother.
    The women screamed wildly, begging for mercy. After the execution, the German walked along the ditch and finished shooting with a machine gun, those who fell wounded and from fright.
    For the third time, I was present from Bogazia at the execution of a group of more than 300 people, including women, children and men. Women and children were Jewish
    nationality. They were shot in the same way as the previous group.
    I did not take personal part in these three executions, and being in the personal protection of Bogazy, I watched the whole picture of what was happening with him. "


    On September 30, a press conference will be held at Ukrinform, in which the German Ambassador, Mayor Klitschko and Anatoly Podolsky will take part.
    Participants will talk about the project of the German embassy "One stone, one life - 80 stumbling blocks for Kiev" with the support of the Mayor of Kiev, Goethe-Institut in Ukraine and the aforementioned activist
    Within the framework of this project, a stone in honor of Nazi collaborator Bagaziy will be installed on Bratskaya Street (Podil) in Kiev. On September 29-30, 1941 Baghaziy was the deputy mayor of Kiev and was directly involved in organizing the massacre of Jews.
    In addition, Bagaziy, along with other members of the OUN, is the organizer of the Ukrainian auxiliary police in Kiev - one of the key instruments of the Holocaust and the newspaper "Ukrainian Word", which called for the murder of Jews.
    Subsequently he was appointed burgomaster. He was engaged in robbery of Jewish property, distributed apartments of murdered Jews. In 1942 he was shot by the Nazis.
    1. -1
      29 September 2021 19: 25
      Dolinsky made UPD today:
      Edward Dolinsky
      17: 21, 29 September 2021
      How the German embassy in Ukraine was almost framed
      There will be no monument to the burgomaster-collaborator in Kiev!

      From today on the site of the information about the installation of a memorial stone in honor of the Nazi collaborator, the mayor of Kiev Volodymyr Baghaziy, there was an error 404. The tag also disappeared from the interactive map of the project.

      A memorial sign in honor of an accomplice in the extermination of the Jews of Kiev was to be installed at 12 Bratskaya Street in Podil at the initiative of the German Embassy. But, as it turned out, the embassy was set up.

      This was done by an activist of non-traditional Jewish orientation, director of the Ukrainian Center for the Study of the Holocaust Anatoly Podolsky.

      It was he, together with friends from the Ministry of Memory, who suggested that the Germans honor the burgomaster of Kiev in honor of the 80th anniversary of Babi Yar - allegedly a "victim of Nazism".

      But the cynical provocation did not pass, thanks to caring people from different countries who called and wrote to the German embassy, ​​the German Foreign Ministry and the Bundestag.
      There will be no monument to Baghaziy in Kiev!
      1. +3
        29 September 2021 22: 47
        Anatoly Podolsky. well done. It would be great to set up Banderlogy and the Germans. It is a pity that I did not study.
    2. +2
      29 September 2021 22: 37
      By the way, I am glad that the Germans themselves spanked many Ukrainian collaborators. Goebbels spoke excellently about the Bandera Ukrainians.
  12. +3
    29 September 2021 21: 09
    The "good" Germans organized the whole process, so their wine is much more than that of ordinary performers. All this monstrous tragedy is a lesson for all of us - a beast lurks under the thin film of civilization ...
    1. +2
      29 September 2021 22: 40
      Let me tell you a secret. If something happens, this husk of civility will fly off all of us in 10 seconds. If some kind of huge dupa happens, we will cut each other for a glass of water. Nothing personal, but you are better than me. All this "civilization" and "humanism" is a husk. Should it happen that we will instantly return not only to feudalism, but to the tribal system. It takes very little for this.
      1. -3
        29 September 2021 23: 22
        Pardus!
        If something happens, this husk of civility will fly off all of us in 10 seconds. If some kind of huge dupa happens, we will cut each other for a glass of water.

        You do not speak on behalf of "everyone" with such statements. At the very least, this is immodest. In fact, it is an attempt to equate those who are morally superior to their foulbrood.

        PS 1984 Orwell read.
      2. -2
        29 September 2021 23: 32
        P.P.S
        Have you, Pardus, read How the Steel Was Tempered and The Young Guard?
        And do you seriously think that Matrosov just stumbled in front of the embrasure, and Gastello was distraught with horror?
        A bunch of cons.
        1. +1
          30 September 2021 01: 51
          I am not talking about that. I'll tell you that if something happens, everyone will go berserk. And where do you get this nonsense and nonsense. Why lie so stupidly and blatantly? Have I ever mentioned a word about Gastello or Matrosov or Talalikhin? No. And don't speak for me. Do not lie and do not attribute to me what I did not say. GI Matrosov was a hero, and Gastello was a Hero, and many others, including those Japanese soldiers who ALSO repeated the exploits of Gastello and Matrosov. I'm talking about the fact that in extreme situations, we very, very quickly go wild. I move here in the circle of the so-called Militiamen and Survivalists. And we absolutely have no illusions about humanity in general and our fellow citizens in particular. At least because we see what is happening in our society, and around the world. It takes quite a bit for 13 year olds dressed in black and blue to beat to death, shoot and cut the same 13 year olds with the same skin color, only dressed in black and red or other colors, just like that, not to mention removing 20 bucks from a corpse is generally the norm "He won't need them anymore." And do not flatter yourself that it is different in your country (hello AUE). We cannot compare ourselves with The Greatest Generation. And let's not be shy. In that generation, everyone was Great. Only some were great heroes and others were great villains. And we are all a gray trifle compared to all of them. And in comparison with Maresyev and in comparison with Bader, and in comparison with Rudel, and in comparison with Sakai. If you do not know who Bader, Rudel and Sakai are, ask, I will explain. I hope you know who Maresyev is. By the way, lying so blatantly and assigning something to another person that he did not say, says a lot about yourself.
      3. -3
        30 September 2021 00: 57
        And what are the disadvantages from you so modestly silent? No arguments, just resentment and annoyance? And how verbose Pardus was, until he was hooked on a weakness!
        1. +2
          30 September 2021 02: 10
          Why argue with a subject who lies and ascribes words to me that I have never spoken? And you don't read carefully. I said "if a big DUPA comes", that is, the collapse of society and a jolly called "The war of all against all for water and havchik." Do you want an example? Let me remind you of Azerbaijan, when yesterday's "good neighbors" Azerbaijanis began to beat and slaughter their yesterday's neighbors and friends of the Armenians, and then it was the turn of the Russians. Just. "You occupy our apartments and our land." Remind you? We are all the same. And civilization, or rather false civilization, will fly off us, in which case VERY and VERY quickly. And do not think that you are better than the Americans, or anyone else. You WERE better when you (me too) had an Ideology, and a LEADER.
          And do not flatter yourself, come closer, for which "alive" you touched me. With my lies that I never spoke? How old are you? I don't know where you got stuck about Gastello and Matrosov.
          In general, I said that if something happens, we will all be brutal. And very quickly. Especially when it comes to banal survival.
  13. -1
    1 October 2021 01: 34
    Quote: Baron Pardus
    I read somewhere that there were 20 Germans in Babi Yar, they mainly watched the process, mostly Ukrainian Bandera and policemen shot the Jews.


    Mountains of literature on this topic. The Nuremberg Tribunal for the Einsatzgruppen (the trial lasted from September 29, 1947 to April 10, 1948) found that the executions at Babi Yar were carried out by Sonderkommando 4a of the Eiznatzgruppe S (a death squad of about 300 people) under the leadership of SS Standartenfuehrer Paul Blobel ( hanged) with the support of the 45th and 303rd battalions of the German police of the police regiment "South".
    Sonderkommando 4a and the 45th battalion of the German police shot directly, and the 303rd battalion of the German police of order stood in a cordon around the places of execution, guarding the outer perimeter.
    During the trial, the Nuremberg Tribunal found that the Ukrainian auxiliary police (which then consisted mainly of Soviet prisoners of war who went over to the side of the Germans) posted announcements on the streets (the famous "All Jews of the city of Kiev ..."), guarded the passages to Babi Yar, sorted , guarded and loaded the belongings of the murdered Jews into cars.
    Kiev was only captured by the Germans on September 19, 1941, the executions in Babi Yar began on September 29. and no Bandera were there. And Bandera himself was arrested on July 5, 1941, and sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.
  14. -1
    1 October 2021 02: 25
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    It is no secret that in concentration camps the entire rank and file usually consisted of prisoners of war of Ukrainian nationality, only the administration of the concentration camps consisted of Germans.


    It's a secret. It is no secret that in concentration camps, the entire rank and file (as well as non-commissioned officers and officers) consisted of special SS units "Dead Head" (German SS-Totenkopfverbände, SS-TV (literally "Detachments of the Dead Head")) into the Main Administrative and Economic Directorate of the SS. It was the SS "Dead Head" detachments that guarded all the concentration camps of the Third Reich, and in addition to the common dead head on the cap for SS soldiers, they also wore a dead head in the right buttonhole. Not only guards, but also doctors, suppliers, concentration camp managers - all were in SS-Totenkopfverbände.
  15. +1
    1 October 2021 10: 07
    The Germans simply let the dog off the chain. Balts, Poles with ukrami were just waiting for the command! However, everything is quite in European traditions.
  16. +2
    1 October 2021 11: 26
    The Germans as a nation (and the Hungarians) were very lucky:
    - That the same measures were not applied to them.
    - That Germany was left as a state altogether.
    1. +1
      1 October 2021 19: 44
      I think it was a mistake not to take the same measures against the Germans, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns. Treat the USSR to them in the same way as they treated the USSR, until now no one, not a single canal in the world would dare yapping at the USSR. And so, humanity, was perceived as weakness. "We staged genocide for them, and they chided us a little? And the Americans whom we did not arrange genocide bombed us with everything they could and destroyed more than a million of our prisoners? It's clear who you don't care about, and who you need to fear and respect."
  17. 0
    12 December 2021 20: 39
    I apologize wildly. But. I read that under Napoleon there were persecutions of Jews and Gypsies. It's the same with Hitler. In other countries, there was something similar. In Russia, there are a lot of negative sayings about them. And they were also driven out of the cities. Why does no one love them anywhere?