US Air Force has reduced the fleet of strategic bombers B-1B Lancer

The US Air Force has reduced the fleet of B-1B Lancer strategic bombers in service to 45 units, having decommissioned 17 aircraft from service since the beginning of the year. Part of the funds saved when decommissioning bombers will go to the development and purchase of the promising B-21 Raider bomber. This was reported by the US Air Force Global Strike Command.

As follows from the message, at the beginning of the year, the US Air Force had 62 B-1B Lancer bombers. Since then, 17 of them have been decommissioned, decommissioned and sent to the site of the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Repair Group (AMARG), better known as the "aircraft graveyard". The first of the decommissioned bombers went to mothballing in Arizona in February this year, the last a few days ago.

Thus, to date, 45 B-1B Lancer strategic bombers remain in the US Air Force. The entire US Air Force plans to get rid of these aircraft by 2036. The reason for the write-off is called deterioration, the development of airworthiness dates and too expensive maintenance and repairs.

The intention of the US Air Force to reduce the size of the existing B-1B Lancer fleet was announced back in 2019. The Air Force command then said that since the early 2000s, the B-1B Lancer was considered a "workhorse", and the constant deployment of these machines, in particular during military campaigns in the Middle East and Afghanistan, led to the wear and tear of bombers. which was "not expected".

The heavy bomber B-1 Lancer (Rockwell International B-1 Lancer - Ulan) is a multi-mode bomber, created as a replacement for the Boeing B-52 aircraft under the AMSA program since 1965, and the world's first combat aircraft, in the design of which were widely implemented elements of "Stealth" technology. It has been in service with the US Air Force since July 27, 1985. In the early 1990s, the conversion of B-1 aircraft to equip them with conventional weapons began. The final version of the bomber (B-1B) implements the concept of a low-altitude air defense breakthrough by flying at ultra-low altitudes with terrain bending.

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[fa2998]

They will be sent for conservation in the desert (there is already a lot) - they will have to be put into operation. In the USA, "decommissioning" is not a bulldozer, a purely technical (financial and military) issue.

[Uncle lee]

for conservation in Arizona

There is their darkness, gloomy! And cho, warm and dry

[KCA]

Only the dust will penetrate everywhere and everywhere, if you do not preserve it, you will have to wash every detail in kerosene if you want to put it into operation

[figwam]

Quote: KCA

Only dust will penetrate everywhere and everywhere

They will be taken apart for parts and will be gradually disassembled.

[hrych]

This is their decommissioning tactics, written off by donation prolong the life of the rest. Now, on this donation, the B-52 will outlive us all. Lancer is the best production aircraft in the United States and was the main strategist, at least somehow threatening our layered air defense, and subsonic chickens, of course, are not our theater. Terrain bending is also a loud statement, especially when there is no relief on the Russian Plain. Here, a low-altitude breakthrough is popping out due to the curvature of the Earth, as close as possible to the target and at high speed.

[figwam]

Quote: hrych

There is a low-altitude breakthrough

The F-111 could do the same, but over time, both developed cracks in the wing sweep node, therefore, due to limitations, the B-1 could no longer make a low-altitude breakthrough.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

, and subsonic chickens, of course, are not our theater.

Subsonic chickens B-52 then carried CD with a range of up to 2700 km. and they did not need to enter the zone of our echeloned air defense. It was the first wave of such RCs that had to endure our air defense and ensure the breakthrough of the second wave of the RC.
And the B-1B was armed with aeroballistic missiles with a range of 400 km (declared - 500 km). This is also an argument, but most likely an operational / operational-strategic one. And for making just the air defense in the border zone.

Quote: hrych

The Lancer is the finest production aircraft in the United States and was the main strategist.

He gave out the declared range ONLY with an additional fuel tank of 10 tons in the bomb bays, occupying half of its volume, and with a combat load of no more than 12 tons. So he was and is far from a role model.
And yes - now, due to the deterioration and weakening of the hull, it is no longer suitable for a low-altitude breakthrough.

[Dmitry Makarov]

The decommissioned B-1 has a residual resource of 10-15%
There is already nothing to return back

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: KCA

Only dust will penetrate everywhere and everywhere, if not preserve ...

In the 309th group, there is a huge experience in conservation - planes, small, entirely large at the seams and hatches, are covered with a protective coating: such a white film ... Of the big troubles - in 727 the engine fell off after takeoff is happening

[voyaka uh]

"Only dust will penetrate everywhere and everywhere," ///
----
No. They are hermetically wrapped in adhesive plastic tapes and the vulnerable parts are filled with foam.

[KCA]

It will help from sand, but there is no very fine dust, there will never be complete tightness, for this the aircraft must initially be made according to the standards of a spacecraft, there are gaps between the foam and the edges, and there will also be channels under the ribbons, for a year, say, the amount of dust will be insignificant, but in 20 years in the desert with a constant wind, a critical amount will leak, of course, there is an option, I don’t know how correctly, people call it “vacuum rubber” these are cords of different thicknesses, if you hammer them into the seams with great effort, it will give relative tightness, the air will still leak, but the dust is gone

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Only dust will penetrate everywhere and everywhere," ///
----
No. They are hermetically wrapped in adhesive plastic tapes and the vulnerable parts are filled with foam.

Somewhere here there was an article about this airbase. In terms of storing equipment, the USA is very lucky with the climate - everything is much more difficult for us ...

[Asad]

I will rather support, conditionally written off ,,

[Cowbra]

They will not enter. They are written off because they were shoved into firewood. They are already stupid zombies - alive (while moving, sometimes) - but a corpse.

The US Air Force is short on bombers. This was stated by the former chief of the Air Force Combat Command, Michael Lo. According to him, "the American bomber forces are in crisis": a third of the B-1 aircraft fleet is being prepared for decommissioning, the B-2 aircraft modernization program has been canceled, and promising B-21 strategic bombers will be fully operational no earlier than ten years from now. ...

Defense News notes that over the past 20 years, B-1 aircraft (61 such aircraft are now in service) have been used almost continuously.

[Barberry25]

the problem is that "returning to service" is expensive and long .. of course, if there is a major war, they will try ... but this is the same story as with the f-117 .. a couple of pieces were returned .. they flew and put back

[voyaka uh]

In Russia, combat fighters stand without any hangars and shelters in the winds with dust,
snow and rain. And so - for tens of years, the entire service life.
They must be "returned to duty" every year by digging out from under the snow.

[Barberry25]

alas this is so .. but it seems like they started to build hangars

[Filxnumx]

Dear, when was the last time you dug up a thread from under the snow in Russia? It is necessary to zvizdet less, if not in the subject!

[TermNachTer]

It is not so easy to put such a colossus back into operation - it is not one day of work, but the situation may develop in such a way that there may not be a second day.

[Palestinian]

Interestingly, and these cemeteries of planes (I googled and they really are the sea) are somehow guarded?

[svp67]

The B-1B in the United States is positioned as an aircraft for breaking through an air defense system, in the current conditions such an aircraft has little chance for this, so the position on removing them from service is understandable

[Egoza]

Part of the funds saved when decommissioning bombers will go to the development and purchase of the promising B-21 Raider bomber.

So the B-21 doesn't exist yet? And they hope that it will be better and cheaper to maintain? Oh well!

[Doccor18]

Quote: Egoza

that it will be better and cheaper to maintain? Oh well!

"Cheaper" is doubtful, but there is practically no doubt that it will be "better". They will use the experience of design and operation of B1 and B2 to the fullest and take into account all the mistakes of the past ...

[svp67]

Madam

Quote: Egoza

So the B-21 doesn't exist yet?

There are already ...

Quote: Egoza

And they hope that it will be better and cheaper to maintain? Oh well!

So for this you need to look for pennies and one of the ways to find them, rejection of something unnecessary or search for a Warehouse

[Doccor18]

Quote: svp67

so the position on removing them from service is clear

Moreover, they will soon be replaced by more modern "brothers"

Part of the funds saved when decommissioning bombers will go to the development and purchase of the promising B-21 Raider bomber.

[fa2998]

And that there are not enough letters in the English alphabet! Will release B-1C (D / H). Will long-range and inconspicuous cruise missiles be suspended inside or on suspension. The board rises into the air? Can it carry a payload? YES!
He was "positioned" back in the 80s, when bombs were thrown from above, now you can find another job.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: fa2998

And that there are not enough letters in the English alphabet! B-1C (D / H) will be released.

Who will release?
Where will it be released?
These planes have not been released for a long time, and they are not going to release them, unlike us with our Carcasses.
At most one more time, they modernize on trifles what has not yet collapsed from dilapidation.

[fa2998]

They are modernizing from Arizona. There they are, the darkness is dark. They will put a new letter. They have experience to put "on the wing".

[OgnennyiKotik]

Now there are exactly 25 B-1Bs in Davis Monten. They are all rolled into trash. Fought in Iraq (twice), Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan; constant training and combat missions. The resource is not endless. This is not an over-life B-52. By the way, on these bombers, they decided to replace the engines with the F130 (BR700) from Rolls-Royce. Modernization work will continue until 2036.

[mmaxx]

So they break through the air defense without attacking personally. And they launch missiles without entering the air defense zone. Aircraft can provide overwhelming superiority over some air defense sector.

[Jacket in stock]

Soon our "swans" will develop their own, recently they also fly more often than they used to. However, we do not have our own "Arizona", we will have to write off just "under the bulldozer".
And unlike the Americans, they will not be replaced by new modern cars, but by modernized ones, but essentially all the same monsters from the seventies (but for the same money).

[Doccor18]

Quote: Jacket in stock

they will be replaced not by new modern cars, but by modernized ones, but in fact all the same monsters from the seventies (but for the same money).

For our reality, even this is already good, if only they were collected in a reasonable time. Otherwise, after a couple of decades, we risk completely being left without strategic aviation, as well as without a naval missile-carrying and deck-based ...

[Orange bigg]

We are modernizing combatant Tu-160s to the level of Tu-160Ms. In total, they want to modernize 15 such strategists, plus a contract for the construction of 10 Tu-160M2s, which will be built from scratch.
The second modernized Tu-160 with new engines made its maiden flight on September 17, 2021.

... Sergey Chemezov examined the modernized Tu-160 missile carrier, on which, as part of a large-scale program to modernize combat combat aircraft systems of strategic and long-range aviation, new onboard, radio and navigation equipment was installed. Also, the head of the Rostec State Corporation was present during the next flight of the second modernized Tu-160 with new engines under the flight test program.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/143398/

... And unlike the Americans, they will not be replaced by new modern cars, but by modernized ones, but essentially all the same monsters from the seventies (but for the same money).

You forget about the PAK DA, which will replace the Tu-95MS.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: OrangeBigg

... Sergey Chemezov examined the modernized Tu-160 missile carrier,

Well, if Chemezov examined, then .....
Who is this Chemezov? Designer? What can he even understand in technology, and even more so in aviation?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OrangeBigg

You forget about PAK YES

I?
No, not me, but our commanders.
Instead, industry is practically reviving the lost production of machines of the last century. And we could prepare production for a new aircraft, really modern.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: OrangeBigg

You forget about PAK YES

I?
No, not me, but our commanders.
Instead, industry is practically reviving the lost production of machines of the last century. And we could prepare production for a new aircraft, really modern.

Does one interfere with the other? To develop production step by step from simpler to more complex.

The Russian stealth bomber PAK DA (a promising long-range aviation complex) should go into production in 2027. Preliminary tests are scheduled for April 2023, and state tests are scheduled for February 2026. This is stated in the contract of the Tupolev Design Bureau for the implementation of experimental design work (ROC) to create means of rescuing the crew of the newest "strategist"; a copy of the document is at the disposal of Izvestia.

... According to the contract, it is planned to produce three flight models of the bomber. Preliminary tests of the assembled prototypes, including the rescue system, are scheduled to begin in April 2023 and be completed by the fall of 2025. This will be followed by a stage of state tests.

https://iz.ru/963694/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/paketnoe-soglashenie-noveishemu-bombardirovshchiku-naznachili-sroki-vykhoda-v-seriiu

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Does one interfere with the other? I think it's even easier this way. To develop production step by step from simpler to more complex

Of course, it interferes, because the assembly plant has been busy for a year with the revival of a unique technology that is needed only and exclusively for the Tu160. Yes, and you yourself quoted a quote here about the fact that hundreds of people at dozens of enterprises are engaged in the design and preparation of the production of parts and assemblies for the old aircraft.
And they could be for a new one.
In the light of PAKDA technologies, perhaps, there will be a transition from the complex to the simpler.

[Orange bigg]

... Of course, it interferes, because the assembly plant has been busy for a year with the revival of a unique technology that is needed only and exclusively for the Tu160. Yes, and you yourself quoted a quote here about the fact that hundreds of people at dozens of enterprises are engaged in the design and preparation of the production of parts and assemblies for the old aircraft.

Well, most likely, the resources were allocated in time as the design documentation and engines are ready. So that there is no downtime and synchronize the workflow. Everything in time is stipulated in contracts. I do not think that it was decided to postpone the production of PAK DA only because of the decision to resume production of the Tu-160M2. Quite the opposite. It was decided to resume production of Tu-160M2 in the first place, since this can be done faster than riveting PAK DA from scratch. Most likely, everyone calculated and realized that it was impossible to master the PAK YES from scratch so quickly, again, the issue of engines, the production of which takes more time than the creation of the aircraft itself.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It was decided to resume production of Tu-160M2 in the first place, since this can be done faster than riveting PAK DA from scratch. Most likely everyone forgave and understood

And I think that nifig was not considered.
The Big Boss arrived, they told him noodles that we were, yes, yes, right tomorrow ...
But it actually turns out that it didn't work out quickly.
And you yourself just cited a quote that PAKDA should fly in a year, and there were no new Tu160s, and there are no new ones, and even the modernized ones from the old ones just came out for testing.

[Orange bigg]

Even kittens won't be born that quickly. Moreover, the production of such complex machines as Tu-160M2 and PAK DA. But the main thing is that the production process is going on and we got down to business.

On August 27, 2021, during a visit by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation S.K. Shoigu and President of the Republic of Tatarstan R.N. Minnikhanov of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunov (KAZ, a branch of Tupolev PJSC), the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M2 strategic bomber, which is under construction at the enterprise, was publicly demonstrated for the first time.

Construction of the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M2 strategic bomber in the shop of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunov (KAZ, a branch of Tupolev PJSC). Kazan, 27.08.2021 (c) press service of the President of Tatarstan


Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense, in the presence of Russian President V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazan worth 160 billion rubles for the construction of ten new Tu-2027M160 bombers by 2. Earlier it was reported that the first flight of the first of them was scheduled for 2021 with the start of deliveries in 2023, however, judging by the state of the first aircraft in the KAZ workshop, it is unlikely to be taken into the air before the end of 2022.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4386514.html

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Instead, industry is practically reviving the lost production of machines of the last century. And we could prepare production for a new aircraft, really modern.

Yes, they cannot create anything new, nothing at all!
They are not capable of replacing the An-2, and you mean high technologies.

[den3080]

However, we do not have our "Arizona"

But we have the Vasyugan swamp larger than the Netherlands area.

[Barberry25]

only the filling will be different from the word in general and the main thing is that our machines are missile carriers

[riwas]

Our Tu-160s began to be produced again, and the United States refuses from similar ones. If ours have sufficiently long-range missiles, made using stealth technology or hypersonic, allowing to strike without entering the air defense zone, then the high flight speed of the Tu-160 will give an advantage.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: riwas

the high flight speed of the Tu-160 will give an advantage.

The cruising speed of Tu160 is 850 km / h, almost like that of Tu95, or that of B2 or B21.

Yes, and have not yet begun to produce. They are just getting ready.

[fa2998]

Quote: OrangeBigg

You forget about the PAK DA, which will replace the Tu-95MS.

Tales on another site!. Remember, only 1 (one) Su-57 (PAK FA) is in service after so many years of development and testing. "for now, you can forget (projects, models and plywood and pictures can not be offered)

[Orange bigg]

What kind of fairy tales?

- When will the first Tu-160M ​​built "from scratch" begin flight tests?

- Serial production of new Tu-160s has already been launched at the plant in Kazan. We expect that the first such car will be tested next year.

Let me remind you that at the same time Tupolev is deeply modernizing combatant Tu-160s. The aircraft are equipped with new NK-32 engines of the second series produced by the UEC, the onboard equipment has been modernized, which improves the characteristics of the base machine. These machines are already undergoing tests and will soon be handed over for the next stage of testing by specialists from the Ministry of Defense, including in conditions that best meet the real situation. After that, the modernized aircraft will be transferred to combat units of Long-Range Aviation.

- How are the work on the creation of a new strategic bomber PAK DA progressing? In your opinion, will it outperform the American competitor B-21 Raider?

- As planned, a complex of development work is being implemented. Together with the customer, the appearance of the aircraft was determined. In accordance with the contract and the consolidated schedule, there is a phased transfer of working design documentation to the manufacturer. Aggregate assembly of prototypes is underway at the production site itself. Of course, we set the task of creating equipment that is superior in capabilities to the equipment of other countries.

https://www.interfax.ru/interview/785740

[Firelake]

I wonder how they plan to surpass what is not yet built in metal?)

[Orange bigg]

Well, this is a standard topic of catching up and overtaking the West.

[Barberry25]

Torvara's experts believe that we have to hand over 15 aircraft a year .. Although I personally do not stake on the Tu-160M ​​.. I think either the Tu-22m3m will actually start to be produced, or the MiG-41 will turn out to be the development of the MiG-1.44, which can be strong change the alignment for production

[Orange bigg]

... the mig-41 will turn out to be the development of the mig-1.44, which can greatly change the alignment of production

It won't be. The MiG-41 is a development of the MiG-31. It is an interceptor. The heavy multi-functional fighter of the 5th generation is the Su-57, and it makes no sense to create two aircraft in the same niche.

Although I personally do not stake on the Tu-160M ​​.. I think either they will actually start producing the Tu-22m3m

Is there a contract for the production of new Tu-22M3M built from scratch?

[Barberry25]

wait and see .. if he is "the development of the moment-31" then why was it announced about the front horizontal tail? And about two cars per niche ... I've personally never heard that the su-57 can take 2 cruise missiles on board

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Barberry25

wait and see .. if he is "the development of the moment-31" then why was it announced about the front horizontal tail? And about two cars per niche ... I've personally never heard that the su-57 can take 2 cruise missiles on board

It can also take 4 KR Kh-59MK2 (aka Kh-69) intra-fuselage placement.

[Barberry25]

well, this is "a little" not that .. not to mention how many heavy items can he take? there are suspicions that he cannot take them on board due to the peculiarities of the device of the internal compartments, but the moment 1.44 could take 2 heavy type missiles Onyx or Mosquito according to the assurances of the developers ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Barberry25

well, this is "a little" not that .. not to mention how many heavy items can he take? there are suspicions that he cannot take them on board due to the peculiarities of the device of the internal compartments, but the moment 1.44 could take 2 heavy type missiles Onyx or Mosquito according to the assurances of the developers ...

There are Su-34, Su-30SM or Su-35S. I think the Su-57 will lift no less heavy items. But not Onyx and Mosquito. I think it will be a GZUR anti-ship missile system.

And for strikes against ground targets from a long distance, the Tu-22M3M will soon receive a new Kh-SD cruise missile. SD stands for "medium range". However, according to the information that has surfaced (in particular, patent), it can be assumed that this subsonic missile with a mass of about 1700 kg will have a range of about 3 thousand km. Wow "medium" range!

Recall that the Soviet strategic nuclear KR X-55 had a range of 2500 km, its long-range version X-55MS - 3500 km, the non-nuclear Kh-555 - 2 thousand kilometers. And now everyone knows the sea KR "Caliber" - about 2600-3500 kilometers. That is, the range is not even average at all.

Moreover, the Kh-SD missile can be carried not only by the Tu-22M3M (up to 7 missiles), but also by our other aircraft. For example, the Tu-160 strategic bomber will include up to 12 pieces, the Tu-95MSM - up to 14. Even fighters and front-line bombers: Su-34, Su-30SM or Su-35S will be able to deliver a new missile to the launch point. Moreover, everyone will be able to carry them from 2 to 5 pieces.

The non-nuclear deterrent argument

But doesn't the appearance of such missiles violate the START III treaty? Will the Su-3 Backfires or ducklings be considered strategic bombers for it? No, they will not do. The X-SD, apparently, will be extremely non-nuclear, like the American JASSM-ER missiles (with a range of 34 km) or the Anglo-French Scalp / Storm Shadow, which can also be equipped with fighters.

The X-SD will form one more "pillar" of our non-nuclear strategic deterrent forces along with the same non-nuclear versions of the "Caliber", "Iskander".

https://argumenti.ru/army/2017/12/557581

[Barberry25]

only su-34/30/35 are not inconspicuous planes..that is why the GZURs are sawing that the plane seems to be, but it seems like it cannot shoot far .. in general, I see no reason to argue .. we will wait when they show a moment- 41, then it will make sense to discuss ... even though I would have rolled out the instant 1.46 under the guise of the MiG-41 ... the range and speed are similar, and the ability to carry long-range anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles in a compartment with stealth will allow not only how use an interceptor, but also as an MPA aircraft, not to mention the replacement of the Tu-22m3m

[Orange bigg]

So Gremlin (GZUR) is kind of like an anti-ship missile too. And just its carrier should be the Su-57.

Back in the early tenths, it became known that the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) was working on promising hypersonic missile systems. Some information was known from various sources, but most of the data was not published. Recently, Izvestia revealed detailed information about the new project of KTRV. Thanks to this, the approximate work schedule, part of the technical characteristics and the name of the project became known. Development work carries the code "Gremlin".

R&D "Gremlin" is carried out in accordance with the contract of the Ministry of Defense, issued in November 2018. Several organizations from the KTRV, responsible for the development of certain components, were involved in the work. As follows from the available data, part of the design work has already been completed, and the R&D participants are starting to check and test individual units.

Later, tests began on the mass and size models of the new rocket on the carrier - the Su-57 fighter. The models were installed on the external and internal suspension. In addition to the weight and dimensions, the on-board electronics of the products have been tested.

In the near future, enterprises from the KTRV structure will have to carry out a lot of different measures to develop and fine-tune individual elements and the structure as a whole. In 2023, the start of state joint tests is scheduled, according to the results of which the further fate of the missile complex will be decided.

Thus, the Gremlin design and development project can be completed by the middle of the decade, after which the finished missile system will receive a recommendation for adoption and launch of the series.

.According to the latest publications, the maximum speed of the new hypersonic missile can reach 5-6 M with a range of up to 1500 km. To what extent such estimates correspond to reality is unknown.

The Su-57 fighter is mentioned as the main carrier of the Gremlin. It is quite possible that such a weapon will be included in the ammunition load of other domestic tactical aircraft.

... It is reported that for use on the "Gremlin" the Ural Design Bureau "Detal" provides the seeker "Edge K-02". Products of the Gran-K family are radar seeker with active and passive modes of operation. They have already found application in X-35 anti-ship missiles and have confirmed their ability to detect and track surface targets with subsequent missile guidance.

https://topwar.ru/180286-okr-gremlin-giperzvukovaja-perspektiva-dlja-takticheskoj-aviacii.html

[Barberry25]

so far no one is going, but logically, in view of the lack of missile carriers, carcasses can become one of the options, since it is easier to restore the production of fuselages than to develop a new model

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

logically, in view of the lack of missile carriers, carcasses can become one of the options, since it is easier to restore the production of fuselages than to develop a new model

By the same logic, they are trying to restore production of Tu160, and it turned out that nothing is easier, and the "new" old "Swans" and really new PakDA will fly simultaneously, which raises a very big question about the competence of those who make decisions.

[Barberry25]

"at the same time" .. this is with a difference of 5-7 years from "new Tu-160M ​​went to and PAK YES took off"? you are a genius)

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

at the same time ".. this is with a difference of 5-7 years

Nothing brilliant, everything is written right here, just above.
The new Tu160 will be tested according to plan this year, God forbid, really, in 2022.
PAKDA according to plan in 2023, actually production is already underway.
Those. in fact, both aircraft are now at the same stage of manufacturing the first prototype.
Considering that they have the same filling, and the plug with the Carcass is precisely due to the lost technology of manufacturing the airframe, it is not yet known which of them will take off first.

[Firelake]

Everything is shifted to the right. This is already a tradition ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

I think either they will actually start producing Tu-22m3m

And no one is even going to start producing them.

[AC130 Gunship]

Unfortunately, Russia does not have such zones with weather conditions as a storage base in Arizona. If you just, say, roll the plane back to a distant parking lot and do not approach it for 5-10 years, then it will turn out, as with the Tu160 in its time in Ukraine. Only two were able to take off from the regiment on their own.
By the way, Mr. author, B1c does not use stealth elements.

[AC130 Gunship]

A year and a half or two years ago, a detailed economic analysis was presented, why financially Russia cannot simultaneously sip on the PAK DA and the restoration of production of Tu160. Too expensive. Or either.
If now they write that there is a movement along the Tu160 (it is not known at what level the truth is), then it is possible that PAK DA will remain on paper or a full-size model for now