The new RPL-20 light machine gun has entered the stage of testing prototypes

The new RPL-20 light machine gun, developed by the Kalashnikov concern, has entered the testing phase. The chief designer of the concern, Sergei Urzhumtsev, spoke about this.

According to the general designer, to date, the machine gun has reached the stage of testing prototypes in order to confirm its compliance with the customer's requirements. In his interview RIA News Urzhumtsev did not talk about the progress of the tests, and also disclose other details about the new machine gun, limiting himself only to a statement of the fact.

In February of this year, the concern reported that the RPL-20 is at the stage of a technical design, a prototype of a machine gun has been created, which was demonstrated at Army-2020. Terms of completion of the project are determined, but they are not subject to disclosure.

As the press service of the Kalashnikov concern explained, the RPL-20 (belt light machine gun) was created as part of the development of the RPK-16 light machine gun project with the introduction of certain changes based on the results of experimental military operation. It is emphasized that the machine gun will be powered exclusively by the belt, the use of stores is not provided for by the terms of reference received from the Ministry of Defense. The machine gun can be part of the promising equipment of the next generation "Sotnik". In addition, the option of a machine gun chambered for 5,56X45 mm NATO is not excluded.

Earlier, Kalashnikov's experts reported that the RPL-20 was created for the 5,45X39 mm cartridge, the machine gun was powered by a belt, the belt was also developed in the concern. Cartridge box for 100 rounds. There is a possibility of changing the barrel, a double-sided fuse, a folding stock with an adjustable cheek. Weight depending on the length of the barrel: with a short barrel - 5,2 kg, with a long barrel - 5,5 kg. The machine gun is equipped with a Picatinny rail for attaching sights and other devices. All types of optical and collimator sights are installed on the machine gun.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Great news. Rather, our Armed Forces would have received a new reliable machine gun.
Good luck with the challenges!

[avg avg]

And that the previous ones were unreliable?

[Nexcom]

please do not cling to words.

[avg avg]

Think what you write.

[Nexcom]

I am not responsible for how you personally interpret what I have written. all the best.

[Pereira]

It should have been written like this: New, BUT reliable. And everyone would understand.

[smart ass]

Wow you inflated))))

[Pereira]

It's still nothing. It can be worse.

[seregatara1969]

They would be reliable, they would not have to be redone many times. It's easy to come up with, but it's hard to bring it to mind.

[ProkletyiPirat]

no, it's not about inventions, and not about implementation, it's about analytics TSV (Tactical and Strategic Opportunities) In this context, the Ministry of Defense does this work poorly, as a result, the TTZ is not correctly compiled in R&D and instead of one weapon capable of performing several tasks within one battle, we have several who do one thing well, but everything else is awful, in battle this cuts down the capabilities of the unit, leads to deaths and disruptions of tasks. From time to time, the end consumer (fighters and junior team members) gets their hands on something that we do not have or do not order, and then the calls "we want, and we need, we really need it" begin, after the war in Ossetia these were light machine guns chambered for an intermediate cartridge and with two types of BU, (there were the "FN Minimi" themselves, or their counterparts from Israel, in general the holivar then rose to the very heights)

[Barberry25]

not quite so .. at one time, when the fashion for light machine guns under the automatic cartridge went, everyone took the Belgian Minimi as a sample, BUT its problem is in the American requirements for tape and store food .. As a result, we have this resulted in similar requirements and the result in the form Turner / Turner-2, which had consequences - a more complex design and excess weight..standard Minimi weighs 6,85 kg without cartridges, and Turner-2 weighs 7,5 kg .. the same weight and PKM .. in the end they decided to equip departments PKMami instead of Tokarei .. and the RPK-20 still weighs 5,5 kg with a long barrel, which is already acceptable .. but the question is different .. place in the compartment .. if instead of PKM .. it is doubtful, but if instead of one AK -74M / AK-12, that's already the very thing .. these are 2 full-fledged shock groups as part of the squad

[bistrov.]

Quote: avg avg

And that the previous ones were unreliable?

Incorrectly posed question, the previous RPK family is difficult, in general, to call machine guns, it is, in fact, an automatic rifle (automatic carbine) with an elongated barrel.

[Drago]

And why is this craft better? Ribbon? A dubious advantage.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Drago

And why is this craft better?

First of all, a replaceable barrel, allowing continuous fire.

[Maz]

We need such a machine gun for a long time. For example, a company goes in marching guard in the vanguard of a battalion or regiment, left, right, reconnaissance ... suddenly a meeting with the enemy, he prepared positions in advance, at one moment the patrol needs to dump a flurry of fire in order to take cover under his cover for conducting an oncoming battle. And here such a machine gun is irreplaceable, it is light, you can take more cartridges in belts and a spare barrel, and if you take four pieces per platoon, you can maneuver here. But you will save people. We must, we must have such a machine gun. There is an Israeli "NEgev" - not even a bad bag, not a box for tape cartridges. And in urban combat at short distances - duck is generally excellent. Pecheneg weighs ten with a box for a ribbon. You drag and die. We have a machine gunner on the cross, a very hardy guy-athlete died in the first five kilometers. So sho need a machine gun, it's not a sin to take foreign experience.

[Alexfly]

Why is the PKK bad? Is it because of the store food?

[ProkletyiPirat]

from the main, yes, the store, or rather not the store itself, but its effectiveness within the TSV, but still not only, the PKK also has mobility problems. Here the task is not to "ensure the density of fire", but to "ensure the density of fire in an arbitrary given place in the maximum-maximum synchronous mode" reasons, as a result, the fighter with the PKK has the same TSV as the fighter with the PKM / PKP, but at the same time it works worse than them. Something like this.

[Old tanker]

Why is the PKK bad? Is it because of the store food?

Low rate of fire. In fact, this is a long-barreled machine gun with a slightly longer range of actual fire. But he PKK can not deliver effective barrage fire on the front.
Therefore, even in Serdyukov's new look, they were replaced by PKM in motorized rifle units. And they did the right thing. But it turned out that in the department the shooter began to perform the duties of the 2nd machine gun crew. That in a number of moments excludes him from the battle. Therefore, in MSO, a light machine gun with a good rate of fire, serviced by one shooter, is needed.

[Alexfly]

You are right about the rate of fire, but the difference of 50 rounds per minute is not critical. automatic .. but it's all fiction today. At that time there were other tasks, it is a pity that nothing was finalized in the course of time ...

[Old tanker]

Rate of fire and rate of fire are different things, although they are similar. So that's what the AK-74 has, that the RPK-74 has the same - 600 rounds per minute. That is, the density of fire of one continuous burst is the same for them. And the difference in the rate of fire is in favor of the PKK due to the more rare change of stores.

[smart ass]

He ran 5 km with a machine gun ?! My regards!

[Mountain shooter]

What an interesting "machine" ... all the same "Pecheneg" is too heavy. We are waiting for news. All the same, weapons testing in Russia is one of the most brutal in the world. If adopted, there will be a "reincarnation" of the RPD 44, and even under a low-impulse cartridge

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

all the same "Pecheneg" is heavy.

So there is another power. 7,62 * 54 after all.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

all the same "Pecheneg" is too heavy

Do they use the PKK as a hand tool in the army now?

[Peak]

Quote: Flood

Do they use the PKK as a hand tool in the army now?

Naturally

[Flooding]

Quote: PiK

Naturally

I wonder how justified is the use of a belt feed instead of a store feed in a light machine gun?

Weight depending on barrel length: short - 5,2 kg, long - 5,5 kg

weight with a curb tape?
I think no

[Peak]

Quote: Flood

I wonder how justified is the use of a belt feed instead of a store feed in a light machine gun?
Weight depending on barrel length: short - 5,2 kg, long - 5,5 kg
weight with a curb tape?
I think no

In any case, it is lighter than PKM-PKP, and more effective than PKK.

Although, it is a pity that they could not bring to mind the "omnivorous" "Kord-5,45" ...

[Flooding]

Quote: PiK

In any case, it's easier than RMB

what is the reason to compare with a single machine gun in the caliber 7,62x54?

[Peak]

Quote: Flood

what is the reason to compare with a single machine gun in the caliber 7,62x54?

CAM you drag the PC (M), evaluate its limited agility, for example, in the cramped conditions of a trench or in a building, then you will understand all the reasons.

And in general, we seem to be talking about principles of combining , about a niche in the structure "squad platoon"for a light belt-fed machine gun And not substitution one machine gun to another ...

[Flooding]

Quote: PiK

YOURSELF shake the PC (M)

compare systems in the same class
light machine gun and single machine gun are not classmates
although they may be namesakes

[Peak]

Quote: Flood

compare systems in the same class
light machine gun and single machine gun are not classmates
although they may be namesakes

Alas, it so happened in the troops that single machine gun PK (M), in the absence of a sufficiently effective light machine gun , are often used as an "ersatz handbrake", which is quite the opposite of its purpose ...

That's why you need a light belt-fed machine gun ... As a supplement

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Flood

compare systems in the same class

They compare forces and means that give the same tactical and strategic capabilities, and their classes may be different, if you compare it to yours, then the mosinka will be more effective than the Kalash, but in reality the armies use machine guns, not the mosinka.

[Flooding]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

if you compare it to yours, then the mosinka will be more effective than the Kalash

"our way" is how?
on the contrary, I am against such a comparison

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Flood

compare systems in the same class
light machine gun and single machine gun are not classmates

well, I'll chew it up,
1) Mosinka and Kalash are two different classes of weapons? === my answer is "yes"
2) have submachine guns replaced rifles in our army? === my answer is "yes"
3) have submachine guns replaced rifles in other armies? === my answer is "yes"
4) my conclusion: therefore, the military around the world made a comparison of two DIFFERENT classes of weapons and found that the second (machine guns) is more effective.
5) after numerous military conflicts with the use of a new class of weapons, was there a return to the previous scheme? === my answer is "no"
6) my conclusion: hence the comparison was successful and confirmed by practice, and therefore it is possible to compare different classes, and even replace them with each other.
Bottom line: Your thesis about "comparison in one class" is false in itself, and therefore not applicable as proof of someone's point of view.

[Flooding]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Your thesis about "comparison in the same class" is false in itself, and therefore not applicable as proof of someone else's point of view.

your gum is not devoid of logic
persuaded, I will not forbid you to compare the characteristics and effectiveness of the PKK and PKM

[Zaurbek]

This is a request for the development of a light machine gun from the Ministry of Defense ... so they thought and ordered.

[smart ass]

The main thing is that the machine gunner does not have a long beard))) so that the tape does not chew)

[riwas]

In addition, the option of a machine gun chambered for 5,56X45 mm NATO is not excluded.

And abroad, a 6,8-mm machine gun will soon appear. Ours will not be competitive.

[Nexcom]

6,8 mm caliber

it is already there. is also being tested.

[avg avg]

When it appears, then we will evaluate the competitiveness.

[Dart2027]

Quote: riwas

Ours will not be competitive

Is not a fact. The larger the caliber, the greater the mass, so this is no longer light, but rather a medium machine gun.

While it is known about the machine gun that its weight is approximately 11 kg
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/guntest/legkii-srednii-pulemet-lwmmg-kalibra-86-mm-5e1d88ef2beb4900b11f42c8

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Dart2027

Is not a fact. The larger the caliber, the greater the mass, so this is no longer light, but rather a medium machine gun.

Low impulse chuck, loses speed faster - 6,8 mm is a reasonable compromise.
Higher energy than 7,62mm, better ballistics than low pulse cartridge. Ammunition weight is intermediate. between low-pulse and 7,62

[qQQQ]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Low impulse chuck, loses speed faster - 6,8 mm is a reasonable compromise.

Everything is so, only the question of the economy arises, but what to do with all accumulated on the two previous calibers. And to what extent the effectiveness of the intermediate cartridge justifies the billions of funds to replace the previous two. History goes in a spiral, we go back to the Middle Ages, where every gunsmith is his own caliber.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: qqqq

Everything is so, only the question of the economy arises, but what to do with all accumulated on the two previous calibers. And to what extent the effectiveness of the intermediate cartridge justifies the billions of funds to replace the previous two. History goes in a spiral, we go back to the Middle Ages, where every gunsmith is his own caliber.

We still have tens of thousands of machine guns in our warehouses, and there are millions of accumulated three lines - this is a question of the economy. We don't use mosin flasks, do we?

As soon as more effective weapons appear, the old ones go to warehouses and are partially sold to "friendly regimes". Everything will come in handy in mass mobilization - auxiliary and service units from non-combatants are armed with obsolete weapons.
Or are you a supporter of saving at the expense of the efficiency of our army?
That is, 6,8 of them will be effective from a greater distance, and let ours fight 5.45 mm?

Excuse me - from your reasoning we should fight with Berdanks?
Progressive Tsar Alexander III considered that single-shot "Berdanks" were outdated and it was time to switch to magazine rifles. And he made a very good choice - taking the best from Mosin and Nagan.
When the adversary switches to high impulse intermediate cartridges - possibly with a composite sleeve, should we wait for what? Mayhem?

[qQQQ]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

When the adversary switches to high impulse intermediate cartridges - possibly with a composite sleeve, should we wait for what? Mayhem?

The adversary prints money, and we earn. He can go at least a hundred times. The difference between 6.8 and 7.62 is not critical (I understand that this is a cartridge, there is every micron, etc.), can you do the same in caliber 7.62?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: qqqq

6.8 and 7.62 are not critical (I understand that this is a cartridge, there is every micron, etc.), can you do the same in caliber 7.62?

7,62x39 - cartridge developed in 1943 - not bad, but not the best either.
from AKM you work like a hammer - excellent power, splashes of bricks, plaster, you can shoot through a tin or wooden fence and counter the one who is hiding behind it (which you cannot do with 5,45). But the trajectory of the bullet is so-so, over 300-350 m you need to be a very experienced shooter to get where you need to, and not just at random ...
From AK-74 as from a sporting rifle - low recoil, excellent accuracy, excellent flat trajectory (you develop a skill with tracer), but rather weak.
heavy bullet 7,9 gr 7,62x39 loses speed not so quickly, but its initial speed is low 710 m / s. To hit an unevenly moving target 300 m away from the first shot is still a challenge, even for a very experienced shooter. Let's just say that we had two good shooters in our unit for the entire unit.
The 5,45x39 bullet weighs only 3,4 grams at an initial speed of 900 m / s, a very good speed and a flat trajectory. It is much easier to hit and the skill is developed faster, especially if you do not save money and give tracer first to the first fire lessons.

By the way, 5,45x39 was created in 1972 - next year it will be 50 years old ... it replaced 7,62x39 in just 29 years! And for its time, the transition to a moloimpulse cartridge is justified, before the appearance of heavy body armor.

So the time 6,8 has not just come, it is 15 years late.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: qqqq

And how effective is the intermediate cartridge justifying billions of funds to replace the previous two

The kinetic energy of a 6,5 mm bullet is almost 3 times higher than that of a 5,56 mm bullet.
and those tasks for the creation of a promising cartridge 6,8 mm read?

A new assault rifle, a light machine gun with a new 6,8 mm cartridge should ensure effective defeat of a well-equipped enemy. The penetration of body armor of the armies of high-tech countries (Russia, China) already in service, as well as of promising body armor should be ensured.that will appear in the next decade.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It makes sense to talk about the energy of the cartridge and not the bullet, ultimately the energy is determined by the amount of gunpowder, not the caliber of the bullet. Bullets themselves do not take off without gunpowder.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It makes sense to talk about the energy of the cartridge and not the bullet, ultimately the energy is determined by the amount of gunpowder, not the caliber of the bullet. Bullets themselves do not take off without gunpowder.

Not quite so - the weight of the bullet has a decisive influence on ballistics, as does the amount of gunpowder.
Light bullets, lose energy faster.
Therefore, I did not make a reservation - it is the energy of the bullet at a certain distance.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The answer to this is a little higher. I am also sure that most practical motorized riflemen will choose the 5,45 mm caliber, and not the dubious advantages of the 6,8 mm caliber, primarily due to the larger wearable ammunition load and because of the quite satisfactory flatness of the trajectory of a thin bullet.

[Foul skeptic]

The kinetic energy of a 6,5 mm bullet is almost 3 times higher than that of a 5,56 mm bullet.

What patrons are you talking about? There is a strong suspicion that you are mistaken.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What patrons are you talking about? There is a strong suspicion that you are mistaken.

6,5 Grendel at a distance of 600 m

[Foul skeptic]

Thanks, but I meant a little different. Not a general name, but a specific cartridge, a specific bullet in this specific cartridge, well, it would also be nice to clarify a specific weapon. The same Grendel only in one of its commercial versions - a 7,97 g bullet, Sierra MatchKing, a charge mass of 1,95 g, depending on the barrel, will give a velocity from 660 to 808 m / s.
And the same for the 5,56 caliber, so that it is clear what is being compared with what.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Low impulse chuck, loses speed faster

I'm not talking about the cartridge, but about the weight - when a soldier needs to carry 30-50 kg on foot, then minus the extra 5 kg is a big plus. And the firing distances in battle will not always be prohibitive. In general, these are different machines for different cases.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Dart2027

And the firing distances in battle will not always be prohibitive. In general, these are different machines for different cases.

From personal experience: I had a chance to shoot from an AKM, and in the service in the SA, the staff was an AK-74
Completely different ballistics. Since I was fond of high-precision shooting from school, I lacked accuracy in AKM, the AK-74 is great up to 300 m - at a greater distance, it blows off a light bullet and it overcomes obstacles poorly.
I often caught myself thinking that I would have the power of the AKM, the recoil and ballistics of the AK-74.

So the 6,8x43 cartridge gives both - an excellent flat trajectory for firing up to 600 m (of course, a collimator or optics as a complete set of a modern shooting complex), a relatively acceptable recoil, a heavy bullet, whose speed is much higher than Akmov's, which simplifies the task of hitting unevenly moving targets at a distance of more than 300 m.
Chambered for 6,8, you can create a truly versatile and effective weapon for short and medium distances.
At the same time, there is a structural difference in the elastic force of the return spring and the barrel group.
In this case, under 6,5 grendel AK-12 was supposed to be produced.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Completely different ballistics. Since I was fond of high-precision shooting from school, I lacked accuracy in AKM, the AK-74 is great up to 300 m - at a greater distance, it blows off a light bullet and it overcomes obstacles poorly.

Well, this is understandable, but the question arises as to how often there is a need for such shooting. And if the matter is in the forest or in the urban area with its buildings, then a distance of 300 m will be a rare exception. And whatever you say, the machine gunner is not a sniper. Personally, you were engaged in high-precision shooting, but how many machine gunners can you say that?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Dart2027

And whatever you say, the machine gunner is not a sniper. Personally, you were engaged in high-precision shooting, but how many machine gunners can you say that?

By the level of shooting training, the machine gunner is the second behind the snipers.
Do not forget that defensive positions are chosen based on the largest possible open distance. Accordingly, the assault will be covered by machine gunners, leading either suppressive fire, or fire to kill from the same distances.
At short distances, body armor is no longer so effective, and the likelihood of hitting places unprotected by body armor is significantly increased.
But we're talking about the versatility of weapons for close and medium ranges.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

By the level of shooting training, the machine gunner is the second behind the snipers.

Maybe, but still I doubt that the same accuracy is demanded of him, his tasks and weapons are different.

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Do not forget that defensive positions are chosen based on the largest possible open distance.

This is understandable, but the question is what distance is physically possible. That is why I mentioned forest and building.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Where did you get the idea that a 5,45 bullet is blown away by the wind? I saw how 7,62 bullets were deflected by the wind at long distances, but it was not necessary to observe that bullets 5,45 deviated significantly, although the distances when firing from a machine gun, as a rule, were less.

[Zaurbek]

There is a lot of money abroad and they are constantly experimenting with calibers ..... here 7,62x51 was intermediate for them .... and unsuccessful. Nobody knows what this one will be.

[YOUR]

Well, here's another "novelty".
We look at the chronology of the AK-12 based on it RPK-16 based on it RPL-20, and at the beginning it's the same AK. Well, they remade it for tape power, it seems like they made the barrel removable, but still the same AK.
Moreover, the question is tormented, why is the entire Kalashnikov concern, why are they not accepting and not really considering the weapons of other gunsmiths?

[Nexcom]

RPL-20 fires from an open bolt and has a belt feed (machine gun scheme).
RPK-16 and all variants of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - with a closed shutter and store food.
Therefore, there is no reason to call the RPL-20 a variant of the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

Threat, that's why many were against the RPK-16, here it is just the same machine gun only with a "thick" machine-gun barrel and conventional automatic power supply. Well, they also made a drum for it (the ammunition was increased). Barrels are replaceable. But the kinematics scheme remained automatic - shooting is carried out from a closed bolt. Therefore, they began to develop a machine gun and not another clone of an assault rifle.

[Alexfly]

And what prevents the installation of a slide delay on the RPK-16, improving barrel cooling at the same time? And the barrel is a little heavier with ribs or a cooling jacket? Raise the rate of fire to 800 per second?
It is necessary to throw an idea on the HAMMER - "cocktail" ...

[Nexcom]

on the slide lag, the shutter rises only when all the ammunition in the box magazine or drum magazine is used up. it is intended only for quick reloading when changing the magazine, and that's it. this is a conditionally external lever not related to the trigger.

if the scheme of firing from an open bolt is used (it is sometimes called firing from the rear sear of the trigger), then as soon as you release the trigger, the shutter will always be stopped by the trigger in the rear position (the chamber will be empty - the spent cartridge case is removed, and the chamber is not locked by the bolt in the breech), regardless of whether your store / tape is empty or not.

I found it even more simple and popular:
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c5eaaee0d88fd00aded9e7f/strelba-s-zadnego-sheptala-princip-raboty-5c5f187c8e5f1300ac3d08a2

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

We look at the chronology of the AK-12 based on it RPK-16 based on it RPL-20, and at the beginning it's the same AK.

Wait a moment

I agree with the continuity of the RPK-16, leading the pedigree from the AK RPK and AK-12 .

But based on what data you conclude that RPL-20 is the same AK according to the automation system?

[YOUR]

Have you read the article?

As the general director of the Kalashnikov concern Dmitry Tarasov explained, the RPL-20 (belt light machine gun) was created as part of the development of the RPK-16 light machine gun project

[Nexcom]

so what is it written like that? the principle of firing is exactly different.
V.Onoko reported this at the exhibition. I personally trust him more as a specialist than a director. Therefore, PIK is right.

[YOUR]

They all have the same principle of firing - automatic.

[Nexcom]

really. and they also use all the cartridges.
the same caliber.

[YOUR]

Witty.
Well, okay, neglect. Explain what you mean by writing that the principle of firing is exactly different for them.

[Nexcom]

I wrote above in detail. Do not consider it for work - read it under your first message.

To put it simply: the automatic principle implies sending the ammunition into the chamber and locking it onto the lugs in the process of "cocking" the bolt. Cocked, the bolt worked and locked. You can shoot.

Machine-gun scheme, the bolt after "cocking" remains in the rearmost position (on the latch), the chamber is empty and not locked. You press the trigger, the bolt is removed from the lock, moves forward, catches the cartridge, sends it into the chamber, the primer is punctured and a shot is fired. This is how the "open bolt" firing scheme works. It is good for machine guns, because with it the barrel is better ventilated during intense shooting.

And this is how all submachine guns operate, they all shoot from an open bolt, "at a machine gun". That the PPSh, that the German MP 38-40, ....
That's why they are called pistol-SUBMACHINE.
Why pistol-? Pistol ammunition.

In general terms, this is so.

PS yes at least minus.

[YOUR]

So that's it. Live and learn. It turns out that small arms are classified according to the schemes of machine-gun and non-machine-gun.
Cool.
I sent you the picture below, the RPK-74 machine gun with a double feed with a magazine and a tape. Moreover, he can, without any additional devices, receive power both from the store and from the tape. What kind of individual does this individual belong to machine-gun or non-machine-gun?

[Nexcom]

This is YOUR interpretation of the classifications of automation schemes. And they already wrote to you - in the picture you gave, most likely a combined power supply scheme. And I already wrote to you, I am not familiar with such a scheme.

[YOUR]

This is exactly the combined power supply circuit, and to switch to another power supply, you do not need to additionally close the shutter or open it. But the VOM is another similar sample - the FN Minimi light machine gun (Belgium) / M249 (USA)

Here, what about the machine gun classification?
And here's another thing I'll tell you about breaking the template.
PPK-20 aka PP-19-01 Vityaz aka PP-19 Bizon so in their progenitor they all have the same AK

[Nexcom]

You persistently pull certain phrases out of the context of my messages, giving them YOUR own color. This is a nonsensical basis for discussion. Which, by the way, does not exist as such. All the best.

[YOUR]

For example, what am I pulling out of your text?

[YOUR]

Oh yeah. No knowledge, got confused in explanations and all the best.
Dear, you would read the classification of weapons, on what grounds it is classified, how it works, what is common between AK, PPK-20, RPK-16, well, if the RPL-20 grows from the RPK-16, what common features will they have.

[Nexcom]

Well, if you have - I quote you "RPL-20 grows from RPK-16" and "to switch to another power supply, you do not need to additionally close the shutter or open it" - then indeed, I said goodbye to you for a reason.

[YOUR]

If you are quoting, then quoting without lies, this is how the phrase to which you refer to me looks like

We look at the chronology of the AK-12 based on it RPK-16 based on it RPL-20, and at the beginning it's the same AK. Well, they remade it for tape power, it seems like they made the barrel removable, but still the same AK.

Let's read the article and make a link to it

As the press service of the Kalashnikov concern explained, the RPL-20 (belt light machine gun) was created as part of the development of the RPK-16 light machine gun project with the introduction of certain changes based on the results of experimental military operation.

And more interesting. Again from the article

RPL-20 is at the stage of technical design, a prototype machine gun has been created

Let's just say that the author slightly exaggerated what military trials were with one machine gun, and even with a prototype.

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

Have you read the article?
As the general director of the Kalashnikov concern Dmitry Tarasov explained, the RPL-20 (belt light machine gun) was created as part of the development of the RPK-16 light machine gun project

Did the "Development Framework" tell you that the RPL-20 automatic equipment is the reincarnation of the AK - RPK-16 (any of the "Kalashoids")?

[YOUR]

If somehow otherwise then explain well, at least as you see it

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

If somehow otherwise then explain well, at least as you see it

Above, you have already explained what's what. Therefore, I will not repeat the hackneyed one and just give a quote:

Quote: Nexcom

RPL-20 fires from an open bolt and has a belt feed (machine gun scheme).
RPK-16 and all variants of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - with a closed shutter and store food.
Therefore, there is no reason to call the RPL-20 a variant of the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

[YOUR]

Why is the author who wrote this conclusion? Belt-fed machine-gun scheme. Okay, but what about this

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

Why is the author who wrote this conclusion? Belt-fed machine-gun scheme. Okay, but what about this

How do you connect "this is" with the RPL?

Do you in general have information about the automation device of the new machine gun, or just like that - "pryndet about nothing"?

[YOUR]

Well I do not know. Maybe the fact that food and from the store is, according to some interesting classification, a submachine gun scheme and a belt, machine-gun scheme.
Proceeding from the fact that over the past year, the Kalashnikov Concern has not created anything new, only a rework of the old one, the conclusion suggests itself that to create an RPL they used the developments on that machine gun with a combined power supply.

[Nexcom]

Okay, but what about this

If this is a store-and-tape mechanic, then it is most likely a combined scheme. I cannot say more precisely, it is precisely such a combined mechanics that I do not know, to be honest.
I've written about classic circuits.
And it was precisely from the combined scheme in the RPL-20 that they refused, they left the classic machine-gun scheme. V.Onokoy talked about it.

[lucul]

And it was precisely from the combined scheme in the RPL-20 that they refused, they left the classic machine-gun scheme.

Do you think it turned out to be a good machine gun (RPL-20)? Or is there still room for improvement?

[Nexcom]

I cannot answer this question for you, because there are no official data on the characteristics (accuracy of combat, data on operational reliability, ....).

[lucul]

because official data on characteristics (accuracy of battle, data on operational reliability, ....) are not available

I'm more interested in the duration of the fire. After reliability, in my opinion, this is the most important factor for a machine gun.

[Nexcom]

There is no such data for the official dubbing at the moment. When the final version of the RPL-20 appears, then most likely these data will be announced. The ammunition supply is limited to 100 charging strips. I suppose that a couple of tapes will allow you to release - then a quick barrel change.

[Vadim237]

To the dustbin of history - not a machine gun but some kind of mutant machine gun.

[YOUR]

The Americans are in service. Made in Belgium, in the sense of developing -FN Minimi (Belgium) / M249

[JD1979]

In February of this year, the concern reported that the RPL-20 is at the stage of a technical design, a prototype of a machine gun has been created, which was demonstrated at Army-2020.

Gorgeous phrase)) So a technical project, a prototype or a finished machine gun at the exhibition last year?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: JD1979

So a technical project, a prototype or a finished machine gun at an exhibition

Technical project at the stage of manufacturing and testing of the prototype. What can be incomprehensible here?
A finished machine gun is one that has passed all the stages of the technical project and is accepted for production.

[Cat]

And what is wrong? We completed the technical project, started R&D, went to test prototypes - and this is one of the final stages of R&D. In case of its successful completion, a decision is made to deploy serial production and put it into service. But this is much later.

[JD1979]

Have you read the article carefully, well ... or at least the sentence that I commented on?)) I'm kind of aware of the sequence of stages. I just once again caught a living example of an old Soviet joke: "Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer" (forgive me, northern people, I have nothing against you). When the authors do not read what they write, or do not understand the meaning of what is written. So we get such semantic jokes as in this phrase. From which it follows that the machine gun was shown at an exhibition in 2020 and suddenly in 2021 it is at the stage of a technical project and a prototype)) I understand that in 2020 there may have been either a model or a picture, and then everything becomes logical, but as they say - that written, then written)))

[Skay]

Gorgeous phrase))

We with an iron horse will go around all the fields,
Gather and sow and plow.

[YOUR]

In principle, the prototype is also a ready-made machine gun, on which something will be worked out. Well there put a picatinny bar, an ergonomic grip, an interesting butt.
The rest is in the mists of time.

[JD1979]

Are you real? or just kidding? Really ... communication between the deaf and the blind .... That is what KK does and the sequence of TK -> Prototype -> Machine gun, this is understandable. I mean the description of this sequence in the text of the article: Machine gun in 2020 -> TZ 2021 -> prototype 2021 .... But all the same, even if I once again clarified what the text of the article meant, they begin to explain for the hardware and how it differs .. ...

[YOUR]

Take it easy. There is no machine gun as such. There is one sample, and the author's words about military trials ... let's leave them on the author's conscience. One machine gun, prototype and testing. Not funny

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

Take it easy. There is no machine gun as such. There is one sample, and the author's words about military trials ... let's leave them on the author's conscience. One machine gun, prototype and testing. Not funny

On the contrary, it’s funny to read what you have written ...

"One sample", "prototype" ...

Write as if you lost your last file in Izhevsk , which did not allow the krnzern to produce a sufficient number of machine guns for the exhibition and for testing.

[YOUR]

Yes, in general, I am guided by what is written in the article.

[Peak]

Quote: YOUR

Yes, in general, I am guided by what is written in the article.

This is the same as being guided by the inscriptions on the fence.

[YOUR]

You're so smart. Only on Fridays I don’t serve.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: JD1979

Really ... communication between deaf and blind .... .... TK -> Prototype -> Machine gun, that's understandable. I'm talking about the description of this sequence in the text of the article: Machine gun in 2020 -> TZ 2021 -> prototype 2021 ...

So what are you talking about, you misunderstood, at the exhibition (2020) they showed an RPL with the phrase "this is what we are working on now", there was no question of any technical specifications from departments or state tests (for more details, google on YouTube).

if you look at history:
Initially, the holivar rose after the war in Ossetia, where ours captured the FN mini roofing felts, the Israeli analogue, the roofing felts and this and that, the privates and the young commanders liked these cars very much. This holivar reached the top of the Ministry of Defense and it is a scratch to give out an insult "we would like to, but they (the military-industrial complex) do not have such a thing," was born the old confrontation called "PC VS RPK" resurrected, then it, as always, slid down to "PC VS RPK VS AK (automatic)", there again the srachiks rose up on the topic "tambourine VS box VS tape" according to which they seemed to have launched a new test, which was safe was proo, then it all returned to "give our answer chamberlain FN mini "and" we rivet ersatz ", and today, with the additions about the Syrian experience, a new cycle of the Soviet holivar of the Afghan era will flare up.

[Nikolaevich I]

Still, it is a pity that about the possibility of using the "horns."

[Nexcom]

V. Onokoi said that there were very strict requirements of the Ministry of Defense for the mass of the machine gun.
And universal food (both tape and store) in view of the complexity of the "machine" and the final weight of the product for this reason became impossible.
Moreover, the very first prototype was 1.5 kg heavier than the MO ordered.
Because alas and ah store food.

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

V. Onokoi said that there were very strict requirements of the Ministry of Defense for the mass of the machine gun.
И universal food (both tape and store) in view of the complexity of the "machine" for this reason became impossible.
Moreover, the first prototype was 1.5 kg heavier than the MO ordered.
Because alas and ah store food.

Does this statement apply only to the development of the Kalashnikov, or is it also to the Kord-5,45 project of the Kovrovites?

И additional question : - Why for the Israeli "Negev", "omnivorousness" (versatility of food) has become possible, and here - "alas and ah"?

[My_log_in]

"Why" and "why" are destructive questions that do not contribute to finding the truth in the course of a discussion, therefore they should be perceived as rhetorical, i.e. not requiring an answer.
Apparently, the Kovrovites either do not know who to "bring", or - they cannot, therefore they hope for fair competition.

[Nexcom]

and the Kovrovites are generally not very lucky in terms of the perception of their developments, unfortunately ...

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

and the Kovrovites are generally not very lucky in terms of the perception of their developments, unfortunately ...

"Bad luck" is obvious only in this:

Quote: My_Log_In

Apparently, the Kovrovites either do not know who to "bring", or - they cannot, therefore they hope for fair competition.

[Nexcom]

... or vice versa, the Kalashnikovites are so ... "lobbied" that they will not accept it, even if they are exiled.

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

... or vice versa, the Kalashnikovites are so ... "lobbied" that they will not accept it, even if they are exiled.

The efforts of the "lobby" will be paid in blood by our soldiers.

[Nexcom]

Unfortunately this is the case....

[provergatel]

Kovrovsky "Kord-5,45" is being developed within the framework of the TTZ of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the needs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard.

[Nexcom]

Does this statement apply only to the development of the Kalashnikov, or is it also to the Kord-5,45 project of the Kovrovites?

This applies only to RPL-20. The combined scheme was not used.
I already wrote, according to Onokoy, they did not hit the mass on the basis of the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, and decided not to complicate. In the end, the MO puts forward nutritional requirements. as an option - they themselves reported that the carpet makers ALREADY made a combined scheme. Does it make sense for Kalashnikovites to do the same? probably all this prompted the Kalashnikovites to dwell on the classics.

Why did the Negev do this? Probably because there were such requirements. They ordered one. after all, I am not from Israel and not from their ministry of defense.

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

Why did the Negev do this? Probably because there were such requirements. They ordered one.

Eh, eh, eh ...
Can we find at least one infantryman who will refuse a reliable, light and efficient machine gun with universal power?
And would he reckon with the requirements divorced from reality, the terms of reference of the MO?

[Nexcom]

the key word is reliable. will you use a universal machine if it gets wedged from the slightest dirt? that's it ...
Or will it be reliable but not at all different from the PKM?
Immediately, all the advantages of a light machine gun will disappear ...

here adherents of universal ammunition supply often cite Minimi as an example - this is how cool and versatile. I had a chance to communicate with one American, and so he said that Minimi, with his combined scheme, does not like pollution very much, with all the ensuing consequences for reliability. In this regard, they are beginning to look more and more at the Negev.

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

the key word is reliable. will you use a universal machine if it wedges from dirt? that's it ...

You mentioned the "Negev", I also wrote about it, in terms of the fact that the Jews - "something worked out" in terms of creating a compact, reliable "station wagon", while - "multi-caliber, and" modular "...
We have a similar experience in Kovrov (I also mentioned this), BUT ...

I really do not want to believe, but for our MO, the "key word" it seems - "We don't need all this"...

[Nexcom]

Well, what can I say in response? God works in mysterious ways.

and how much money did they pay to the RPK-16? It turned out to be almost in vain, except in the Rosgvardia, they did not really accept it anywhere ... Another machine gun but with drum power and thick replaceable barrels.
Okay, at least now a real machine gun appears at the exit and not another clone of automatic kinematics. Although there is still a question of what exactly will be the output. Of course, I would like it to be real.

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

and how much money did they pay to the RPK-16? It turned out almost in vain, except in the Rosgvardia, they did not really accept him anywhere ...

He would have taken root in the army , it is only necessary for "Kalashnikov" to moderate their appetites to lower prices ...

[Nexcom]

In fact, if the drum to normal Kalashnikov conditionally insert - will be almost the same. Remember - box magazine from the PKK are often inserted into a conventional Kalashnikov rifle. All the difference was between them (RPK and AKM) in the length of the barrel. commonality of parts was almost 80% (if I remember correctly). And why - kinematics of machine-gun bolt group.

and Michael T. IMMEDIATELY initially made light hammer with a ribbon. MO as always all pochikal and he was forced to make a handbrake on the machine base. And now, after so many years kalashnikovtsy back to what was originally proposed to Mikhail Kalashnikov - lightweight handbrake on the tape and machine-gun firing circuit - they see the light finally ..... Max has Popenker seem to have been unique photos on its website the very first models belt handbrake development Mikhail Kalashnikov.

Threat is not whether there RPL-20 grow "legs" ???

[Peak]

Quote: Nexcom

In fact, if a tambourine is conventionally inserted into an ordinary Kalashnikov, it will be almost the same.

WILL NOT BE THE SAME.

At the PKK and the trunk of the other (longer and thicker) on ballistics and survivability, and receiver With strong + bipod ...

We even RPK receiver cover is stamped from Bole plate than the AK and the return spring is "twinned" ...

[Nexcom]

It's true. That's why I wrote - ALMOST the same.
Kinematics of the slide - identical to each other.

Shl the changes are purely in terms of strength - the thickness of the cover sheet, the spring, the thickness of the barrel ...
and all the same, the RPK cannot fire such a duration as a full-fledged belt machine gun with machine-gun kinematics of the bolt group. Therefore, the RPL-20 appeared.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And the belt gun turns into a pumpkin, in the absence of an equipped belt. And for me this is a very critical flaw. This is among all others related to the lack of versatility.

[Nexcom]

There is still no "Rakov's car" for 5.45x39 tape, unfortunately. I do not know how the tape is stuffed during the RPL-20 tests, it is obvious that young employees of the Kalashnikov concern are forced to work with their hands.

Moreover, it is not known whether it will be at all. Then yes, following your logic RPL-20 is a pumpkin.

Shl any shooting complex without equipped ammunition - pumpkin, piece of iron, ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Nexcom

Shl any shooting complex without equipped ammunition - pumpkin, piece of iron, ...

In the case of the RPK-16, you can take magazines from the AK. In the case of a tape, just take the machine gun by the barrel and like a club in hand-to-hand combat. There is another option to surrender. But since the Russians don’t give up, I don’t suggest this option.

[Nexcom]

Why do you think that the ammunition load will be limited to one or two ribbons? That is unlikely. No, I admit that a situation is possible when the ammunition supply runs out and then, apart from the RPL-20 tape, there is nothing to charge. What can I tell you about this? Yes, in general, nothing. The ammunition really ends sooner or later. There is already a question of security.
Thank you for not offering to give up.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Nexcom

Why do you think that the ammunition load will be limited to one or two ribbons?

No, I do not think so. But the complex of weapons of the MSO in which all weapons with a uniform power supply mechanism are more flexible. Therefore, I am still for the RPK-16. I hope they can make a more reliable drum magazine for it.

[Nexcom]

I, too, would theoretically not be against the RPK-16, if this product provided the duration of automatic fire similar to a full-fledged machine gun. But he can't do that. Yes, and we do not solve such issues with you and therefore it will be as it will be.

[Nexcom]

The most important thing is that the Ministry of Defense took into account the fact that is not even mentioned here. Three "tambourines" of 90 are heavier than three ribbons of 100 because of the so-called dead mass - the mass of the "tambourine" itself. And this is the trouble with all shooting complexes with a store-type food. I didn’t come up with it - it’s common knowledge. Now, if the store itself did not weigh anything, then yes.
Well, and reliability - they are "tambourines" ... Even in PPSh they abandoned the drum magazine in favor of the box magazine in the end, and for this very reason - the reliability, weight and speed of the equipment.

And so yes, theoretically the versatility and interchangeability in the ammunition supply of the MSO will be higher if there is an RPK-16 as a handbrake

Shl by the way, there are after all box stores of a new model, if I'm not mistaken, they are 60 chargers. But again, in this case, the RPK-16 machine gunner will be able to carry less ammunition than the RPL-20 machine gunner, I indicated the reason above.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Nexcom

By the way, there are after all box stores of a new design, if I'm not mistaken, they are 60 chargers. But again, in this case, the RPK-16 machine gunner will be able to carry less ammunition than the RPL-20 machine gunner, I indicated the reason above.

There is. But I watched the video, it has a problem. On impact, the cartridges jam. And the blow is not that strong. Yes, I read that disc and drum magazines have such a disadvantage.

[Nexcom]

In this situation, there is only one thing left - to hope that sooner or later these stores will still bring them to acceptable reliability.
By the way, the Finns for Lahti Suomi M31 had four-row box magazines for 50 or 60 rounds - I don’t remember exactly (box-shaped, the so-called "bunker" version, or as they were also called "Swedish coffin"). And they showed acceptable reliability during the Soviet-Finnish winter war.
Why not "creatively" rethink this design, if your own does not work. Analyze and draw technical conclusions. The drum shop was also "rethought" in a design way at one time. True, they did not fully rethink - the problems of feeding the cartridge and migrated to the drum for the PPSh-PPD. Moreover, they were also aggravated by the TT cartridge, which had a certain taper of the sleeve and a neck for a bullet. Suomi's "native" cartridge 9x19 had no taper and neck, and the reliability of the drum magazine was slightly higher than its reincarnation under 7.62x25.

Although the North Koreans managed to mold a box magazine for their type 7.62 under the welted cartridge 54x73 R for their type XNUMX. And they made a tape / magazine feeding a combined machine.
And nothing - it works. So, IMHO, the theoretical probability that drum magazines can be improved in terms of reliability is likely to exist. As well as box-type 60-round magazines of the new samples. There would be a real desire to improve, and not just make money fast.

[Nexcom]

By the way, there was also a version of Suomi under 7.65x17 Browning, and so there, too, the cartridge of the taper and neck did not have with all the ensuing consequences. But as far as I know, this version has not been mass-produced.

PS Recently there was a program in which they talked about the development of a drum shop. So, the first versions of drum magazines for PCA were redrawn and altered in two weeks (!). True, they were then individually adjusted at the factories with a file and pliers for each PPSh-PPD, there was no interchangeability. Only by the middle of the Second World War they were able to eliminate this problem and ensure an almost satisfactory interchangeability of drum magazines.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A wartime machine gunner must have a pistol with him.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Good joke.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Let's continue to joke, grenade launchers should also have them, and they had them, not everywhere, of course. The pistol, even Stechkin, is a kind of status thing, the BMP crews did not wait for it.

[DDZ57]

Threat is not whether there RPL-20 grow "legs" ???

Some of the solutions for the RPL for the tape magazine were taken from the OTs-128 machine gun. In OTs-128, when changing a box with a cartridge tape, there is no need to fill it into the feed mechanism.

[Nexcom]

when changing a box with a cartridge tape, there is no need to fill it in the feeder.

so it's great, the reload speed is increasing.
And for whom is the OTs-128 made, if not a secret - the caliber is there 7.62x51? Export?

[DDZ57]

so it's great, the reload speed is increasing.

It's not just about reloading speed.
Here you can solve the problem of supplying the troops with cartridges loaded in a tape at the factory in a sealed seal (like .50 BMG or 50x53mm cartridges).

And for whom is the OTs-128 made, if not a secret - the caliber is there 7.62x51? Export?

.
The design of the OTs-128 machine gun allows the cartridge to be scaled up, down.

[provergatel]

RPK-16 was developed by "KK" on its own initiative (that is, at its own expense).

Then he was sent to the troops to undergo practical operational tests.

Based on the results of operation, a number of proposals were put forward for improving and correcting deficiencies. After that, already on the basis of this conclusion, the Ministry of Defense formulated TTT (tactical and technical requirements) of the Russian Ministry of Defense for "5.45mm light machine gun", developed on the basis of experimental military operation of the RPK-16 light machine gun.

The question is quite well sorted out here (https://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/add_articles/ruchnyie-pulemetyi-rpl-20-i-kord-5-45-xarakteristiki-foto-opisanie/)

[Nexcom]

RPK-16 was developed by "KK" on its own initiative (that is, at its own expense).

I am aware that you are absolutely right. I just complained above that if these funds were immediately directed to the development of a full-fledged machine gun, then, probably, there would be much more benefit.

[provergatel]

And it weighs almost 7 kg.

[lynnot]

Do not give up, if he is the second number will, which stems from the BC will carry and will be able to cover from his machine during breaks in shooting.

[Nikolaevich I]

In fact, if you study the practice of using dual-feed machine guns, it turns out that the priority is tape feed! And all because there are more cartridges in the tape and it is possible to conduct intensive fire for longer ... And, according to the statements of some "military experts", machine gunners prefer to take tapes with them, ignoring the magazines ... And yet! Store food would have been nice! 1.In the case when the ribbons are yok, the machine gunner does not remain unarmed (tovarischi will lend stores ... there is only one machine gun, but there are a lot of machine guns (assault grenades)!) 2. The machine gunner does not always need to fire intensively (!) ... disturbing "fire! That's when you can save ribbons and take advantage of the shops kindly provided by your comrades while they smoke on the sidelines!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

For a department where there is another non-universal soldier, the inability to use store food in a machine gun is a complete trash. The tape ended and everyone grab the machine gun by the barrel and throw yourself into hand-to-hand combat.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Lack of shops to PC then why don't you bother? Since you like to repeat yourself so much, I will also repeat it, the machine gunner must also have a pistol.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Because the PC is not a weapon of MCO. The second time, the joke is not so funny.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

As part of the platoon, he is, as it were.

It's even more interesting here.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: PiK

for the Israeli "Negev", "omnivorous" (versatility of food) became possible,

Well, not only "Negev" ... there is the Belgian (NATO) "Minimi" ... South Korean K-3 ... North Korean "Type 73" ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Nexcom

let me ask you, what did you dislike about the Negev? as far as I read about it - very resistant to dirt.

Who are you? Really me? But I did not say anything against the "Negev"!

[Nexcom]

I already understood and therefore deleted my message. sorry, wrong.

[Nexcom]

Of the above, the North Korean "type 73" is an enchanting device.
To create a combined power supply scheme (tape / magazine) for the RINGED cartridge 7.62x54 R - well, that's something ... I take off my hat to the North Korean designers. It turns out they do not eat their rice there for nothing, and they not only sing hosanna to their Eunwoo - they actually design it.

Threat, I'm not joking at all, this is a really difficult task, it would be interesting to see how they implemented everything there from a technical point of view. For welted chuck has always been considered problematic, especially for shops.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Nexcom

Of the above, the North Korean "type 73" is an enchanting device.

Yes ... impressive ... He also fires rifle grenades!

IN SYRIA

[Nexcom]

Bren immediately comes to my mind as I see this banana-mag from above.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, a lot of machine guns with a "banana on top" were once produced! The Czechs "loved this thing" ... and the "Bren" was created on the basis of the "Czech" ZB-26! You can also remember Madsen! But I agree ... "Bren" came to my mind, too, when I first saw "Type 73"!

[provergatel]

And they are all heavier by one and a half to two kilograms. And in the TTZ of the Ministry of Defense there is a strict weight limit, which was pointed out in an interview by designer V. Onokoi.

[provergatel]

Because you have already been pointed out to the strict weight restrictions in the TTZ of the Ministry of Defense.

According to the data found, the RPL-20 weighs 5,2 kg with a short barrel and 5,5 kg with a long one.

"Kord-5,45" (aka "Turner-2") is being developed according to the TTZ of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the needs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. And it weighs more than the "KK" product.

And if you read more closely what Dmitry (Nexcom) wrote to you, citing the words of V. Onokoy, you will see that the designer was not talking about the impossibility of creating a light machine gun with combined power, but about the complexity of creating such a machine gun in the parameters specified in the TTZ masses.

"Negev" weighs 7, -7,6 kg. (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_(machine gun))

In principle, a pretty good analysis of both RPL-20 and Kord-5,45 is in this article (https://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/add_articles/ruchnyie-pulemetyi-rpl-20-i -kord-5-45-xarakteristiki-foto-opisanie /)

[lynnot]

On the one hand, in comparison with the trendsetter for light machine guns FN Minimi and the rather commercially successful Negev (from which, it seems, the box was borrowed), the RPL turned out to be easier. Still, "younger" and refused from universal food. On the other hand, the power of the 5,45 / 5,56 cartridge for a machine gun is still too small and causes some specificity in the application - rather close and unprotected targets (crowds of attacking fanatics with sticks)))), a battle in conditions of dense buildings or limited visibility - dense thickets and very rugged terrain.

[Trapp1st]

Fn minimi

fairly close and unprotected targets (crowds of attacking fanatics with sticks)

Suppression fire, restraint of maneuver ... The importance of the density of fire was proved by the world wars, although even by the end of the Second World War there were individuals who considered automatic weapons useless eaters of the cartridge. At least 1 light machine gun per squad will increase the firepower of platoons.

[lynnot]

Usually, the squad already has a machine gunner with a light machine gun, and for such a "light machine gun" you will probably also need a second number / assistant machine gunner to carry cartridges and replaceable barrels, to help with maintenance. And to manage with one box is for some possible short clashes such as special operations in a limited area with a small number of targets. In my opinion - a very niche machine, which begs the question: "Is it necessary? Maybe we can do with the usual?"

[IS-80_RVGK2]

That's it. This all at once displays it at a level above the MCO, and there is the coolest RMB. And the question immediately arises. And what for? MCO needs exactly the RPK-16 with a drum. The trouble is that the drum was never finished.

[gorenina91]

The new RPL-20 light machine gun has entered the stage of testing prototypes

- And what's the point at all - to create a new machine gun chambered for 5,45X39 mm ??? - After all, he will be too weak ...
- Generally ... - the most "good machine gun" ... - this ... this ... this is a huge mass of well-trained soldiers with automatic weapons (not even the most ultra-modern ... - but just quite high-quality and reliable, which strikes far and punches everything = everything too)) ... - And against such a mass of well-trained soldiers, no machine gun will "hold out" (no one has been walking in an attack in an open field for a long time) ... - and this mass of soldiers (let - even with AK-47 assault rifles and RPD machine guns, SVD snipers and RPG-7 grenade launchers) will crush any machine gun with their fire ... - Who can resist the mass of Chinese armed like this ??? - Although the Chinese today are armed entirely with the latest small arms ...
- So the most "good machine guns" ... are a huge number armed with just good-quality weapons ... - And who does not have such a "number"; then no new machine guns will help ... - here we already need UAVs, sophisticated artillery with an advanced fire control system, missiles, aviation, electronic warfare and electronic warfare, and so on and so on ...
- But for some reason everyone likes to play "300 Spartans"; who supposedly once held back a whole army of Persians ...
- And in our time ... - Well, what could our heroic 6th company of the 2nd battalion of the 104th guards paratrooper regiment, having only small arms (even if it occupied dominant positions), could do ... - against a huge mass of rabid thugs ...
- So ... - small arms are already quite effective today ... - But where to get the soldiers to arm them with these weapons ???

[yfast]

Wouldn't a solid core in 5.45 caliber solve the bulletproof vest problem?

[Evil 55]

The tape is a step back in small arms .. In battle, there is no time either to quickly load it, or to carry around with excess metal. In vain we left a drum magazine like RPD, but without a tape ..

[Nexcom]

There is no drum magazine in the RPD, in the RPD there is tape feed, just the shape of the tape box in the RPD outwardly resembles a drum magazine.
This is a box there - there is no feed spring and other mechanisms in it, there is simply a tape laid and a hinged door on the side of the box.

The RAP consists of the following main parts and mechanisms:

barrel with receiver, sighting device and bipod (not detachable),
bolt carrier with gas piston,
reload handle,
prison,
return mechanism,
trigger frame with stock and trigger mechanism,
box with ribbon.

The RPD kit includes: an accessory (ramrod, front sight and regulator keys, wiping, cleaning, punch and knob, extractor, muzzle pad, oil can), belt, cover and bags for boxes with ribbons.

About tapes:
There is information that an option is being considered when the belts will be immediately equipped at the factory, i.e. ready for use will be delivered to the troops. For there is no charging machine for the newly developed 5.45x39 tape for RPL20 yet.
It is not known what decision will be made on this issue, as well as on the issue of disposable plastic tapes. The second will most likely not be accepted.

[provergatel]

Here's about the tape.

There, a PIK user posted an official video from "KK" above. So in the video you can see that the tape is INTENDED! And this, I apologize, is a fiend!

I'm just wondering what the constructor was thinking about? How do they see themselves as a fighter running over a rugged terrain or in an urban area / inside a building with the tail of a shot tape trailing behind him?

This PK / PKM did not assume during the design that they would run and shoot with it from hands on the go, although some rather big machine gunners manage to do this, but the problem of the dragging tape is also present here.

[Nexcom]

yes it is extremely inconvenient, you are right. Well, what can I say ... we do not design, and we do not make the final decisions on these issues ...

nemchura and Americans have long been using loose disposable tapes.
moreover, these tapes are immediately clogged at the factory, they only need to be inserted into the machine.

[Bradley]

A very useful thing, under 5.45x39! The liver is heavy, and you can take less shots to it than to the RPL-20, but you need to fill the enemy with lead.

[senima56]

This machine gun has been waiting for a long time in law enforcement agencies. Hurry to have it in the series!

[Edvid]

If we compare it purely outwardly, it seems as if the designers of the RPL-20 have seen enough of children's games from Internet shooters ... Many different small depressions and protrusions of the structure ... In a combat situation, this is the same source of clogging, and then it is difficult to clean out the dirt that has got. In this regard, Kord-5,45 wins significantly.
https://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/add_articles/ruchnyie-pulemetyi-rpl-20-i-kord-5-45-xarakteristiki-foto-opisanie/

[DDZ57]

Fresh from FN Herstal (continuation of the machine gun family) - FN Evolys.
In caliber .223 - weight 5,5 kg, in .308 - 6,2 kg.
The rate of fire is about 750 rounds per minute.
Fire mode - single and automatic.

Ultralight machine gun at DSEI 2021 (London)

[Izotovp]

When will we replace two intermediate cartridges with one ?!