"The elections are over": the CEC summed up the final results of voting in the elections of the State Duma deputies

The Central Election Commission has completed the counting of votes in the elections to the State Duma, at the moment all 100% of the protocols have been processed, the turnout at the vote was 51,68%. The CEC reports this on its official website.

So, according to the results of the elections to the State Duma, representatives of five parties pass: United Russia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, A Just Russia for the Truth and New People. Moreover, the latter participated in the elections for the first time and immediately managed to overcome the 5 percent barrier required for passage.

If we talk about numbers, then this morning the layout is as follows: the absolute winner of the elections was the United Russia party, for which 49,82% of voters cast their votes. In second place are the Communists from the Communist Party led by Zyuganov, who received 18,93% of the vote. They did not manage to overcome the level of 20%. The Liberal Democratic Party, headed by its permanent leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, secured third place, having managed to gain 7,55% of the vote. The party of Sergei Mironov and Zakhar Prilepin "Fair Russia - for the truth" lagged behind them quite a bit. "Fair Russia" and "Liberal Democratic Party" were divided by tenths of a percent, 7,46% - the result of the Socialist-Revolutionaries, as it is also called "Fair Russia - for the truth" in the State Duma. The new political party "New People" took the fifth place with the result of 5,32%.

The closest persecutor of New People, the Party of Pensioners, was unable to gain even three percent, remaining with a result of 2,46%. Next comes Yabloko with 1,33%, and so on.

As mentioned above, five parties entered the State Duma. The political alignment is still unknown, but there is no need to expect any big changes. "United Russia" will become the main one, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and "Fair Russia - for the truth" will form an opposition. It is not yet clear who the New People will join.

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[Grandfather]

If we talk about numbers, then this morning the layout is as follows:

[The leader of the Redskins]

the absolute winner of the elections was the United Russia party,
Oh, how unexpected!

[Crowe]

Elections are over

The circus left

the absolute winner of the elections was the party "United Russia"

and the crowns remained

[alex neym_2]

Clowns live in another "country" - do you want to see THEM and for them to LEAD you? Oh well...

[vadsonen]

Clowns live in another "country" - do you want to see THEM and for them to LEAD you? Oh well...

No, we want the bandits to continue to rule the country.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Oh, how unexpected!

Well, what are you, many thought these elections "move mountains", "change the political situation in the country", "raise the banner of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation over the State Duma" ... But reality again put all political dreamers in their place

the winner of the elections was the United Russia party, for which 49,82% of voters cast their votes. In second place are the Communists from the Communist Party led by Zyuganov, who received 18,93% of the vote. The bar is 20% ...

The game is over. The game is won. And people's dreams for change, these are their dreams, these are their problems ...

[Svarog]

EP -49% - disgrace they mock people as they want.

[tatra]

Only the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR can have such that the party won the elections, which for the whole 20 years has not adopted a single law for the benefit of the people.

[URAL72]

a party that has not passed a single law for the benefit of the people for 20 years "

Well this is you too. No need to exaggerate. Otherwise, your reputation will not be worth a dime.

[Ingvar 72]

Please, list the laws that directly influenced the improvement of the well-being of citizens? Otherwise, your reputation will not be worth a single silversmith, out of those thirty.

[URAL72]

They really did not accept laws with your passport data. But many laws have been passed in your favor in one way or another. There are thousands of them, and I received a passport only in July, so these laws did not concern me. See for yourself, maybe you have more time.

[tatra]

That is what was required to be proved, you could not give a single example of laws adopted by the United Russia for the benefit of the Russian people.

[Doccor18]

Quote: tatra

adopted by the EP for the benefit of the Russian people.

You see, what is the matter, dear colleague, ER is not to blame here ... In the system of capitalist relations, a law simply cannot be adopted for the benefit of the working class, because then the class of the modern bourgeoisie (masters) will suffer. Here you have to choose. And naturally, gentlemen cannot harm themselves ...

[nod739]

Have you attacked the kid?
We open the results of any convocation and look at the laws adopted by the Duma. Most of them are not clear at first glance. But they can be disassembled into two conditional lists, folk and anti-national. It is conditional, because it is impossible to please everyone .. Not to mention that many do not understand the meaning of this or that law, although it is written in Russian. For example, entrepreneurs were given the opportunity to work on the USN system, while registering an SP is one trip to the tax office. Is it good or not? Yes, well, work, and no one will tell you anything if you do it according to the rules, but someone will say that it is anti-people, they say, you also have to pay taxes.
Okay, we are not going far, this spring a law was passed on the compulsory installation of Russian software on certain types of technically complex goods. Following your logic, is this an anti-people law, Russian software? , - skeptics will ask and laugh ... But look at things more broadly ... Competition, the opportunity to develop your industry, high-tech jobs, etc.
And in order to list at least a part of what is accepted in one year, there is not enough space. It will not work at all to discuss ...
There are laws with pluses and minuses, there are victories, and there are tightening of the screws!
But everyone and all countries have it. Are you waiting for heavenly mana?
Shl .. Do not think that I am an adept, I did not vote for them nirazu. I'm just calling for objectivity!

[Hypertension]

Quote: nod739

this spring, a law was passed on the compulsory installation of Russian software on certain types of technically complex goods. Following your logic, is this an anti-people law, Russian software? , - skeptics will ask and laugh ... But look at things more broadly ... Competition, the opportunity to develop your industry, high-tech jobs, etc.

Competition (healthy competition) is not when compulsory, voluntarily-compulsory, forced to use some product, but when there is a struggle for the consumer, by providing the best price or quality.

[nod739]

If you are in the public sector and they call you names, do not forget, you are a performer! That's why there is a law, if the sphere is sensitive ...
And if you do your own business, no one forces you to use Russian software, it's your business with which programs to work ...

[Hypertension]

What does the budgetary sphere have to do with it?

For all smartphones and tablets manufactured after January 1 and sold in Russia must be preinstalled with 16 domestic applications, on computers - three, on Smart TV - four. This requirement was approved by the government

This is pure monopoly, not competition.

In this case, you need to preinstall software from special list, which should be created by the Mincifry.

In all fairness, fines for selling devices without pre-installed Russian software have not yet been adopted, but this is a matter of time. This is the kind of competition ...

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

This is pure monopoly, not competition.

and in the states, not corruption, but lobbying.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Rostislav Prokopenko

and in the states, not corruption, but lobbying.

And in the garden there is an elder, and in Kiev there is an uncle.

[BecmepH]

Quote: nod739

I'm just calling for objectivity!

Then, for the sake of objectivity, look at the GDP growth, the growth (read stagnation) of the economy, the income growth of the richest, the growth of Narodny's sales! wealth, the growth of capital exported uncontrollably, and for a snack, the growth of the well-being of the population ... I will not give links, because not first-graders hang out on the site.
Although URAL72, judging by the post above, has been sitting on the site since the age of 6. How did you count? It's very simple! I received my passport in July, and was registered on the website in 2013. These are our geeks ...

[nod739]

And where does the edro? Take the Moldovans, or the Nezalezhny brothers, there is no EdRa, no Communists, even, and the polymers are all # @ & us
... And then what to compare with,
Let's objectively compare it with the year 2000! Tota, did you live in the 90s?
Yes, it could be better, there is experience in the foreseeable recent history of how it should grow. Yes, there are many questions for the ruling party!
But give an example from history, from any time, any country, when 20 years old and everyone was good and growth was, everyone was happy with everything ...
By the way, there is such an example, .. But you will not like

[Armored beast]

Actually URAL 72 from Donetsk, he received a Russian passport recently. So I "counted" a failure.

[Achilles]

Quote: tatra

That is what was required to be proved, you could not give a single example of laws adopted by the United Russia for the benefit of the Russian people.

But what about the laws related to import substitution, and there are more than 100 of them, I think there is no need to explain their benefits. Also, laws in the field of housing and communal services, now citizens pay directly to suppliers, and not housing and communal services, which until recently went over the hill with the stolen money. Or are you one of those who do not notice everything that has been done for the good?
But you name the real anti-national laws, except for the pension reform. If you look at almost any law, then, as a rule, there are benefits and harms.
Can you name a few real anti-people laws?

[Revival]

Where is the funded part of the pension, frostbitten?
What about the indexation for pensioners, have they restored, or is the entire reduction coefficient?
Yet?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

But what about the laws related to import substitution, and there are more than 100 of them, I think there is no need to explain their benefits.

AND? Where is the promised import substitution? 7 years have passed since these statements, and vice versa. rolls back.

Quote: Achilles

But you name the real anti-national laws,

VAT, three-day voting, remote control, zeroing - not enough? And in general, since when did we begin to assess the actions of the government in terms of the degree of damage to society? Their goal is to improve the life of society. What have they done to improve? They are sitting for our taxes, if that! The source of power is the people, they are hired and elected managers, have you not forgotten?

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

AND? Where is the promised import substitution? 7 years have passed since these statements, and vice versa. rolls back.

Are you seriously? Everything is in open sources, or you are too lazy to crawl around to search, we began to produce a lot ourselves, so even take cucumbers, until 2014 we bought about 80%, now we are able to provide our needs for 100%, and for tomatoes we have only 70 -80% and every year the% grows.
Laws (import substitution) are created primarily to ensure that the newly created enterprise of this or that product would be competitive with foreign ones.
I advise everyone, and especially all the propellers, to watch YouTube channels: "Time forwards!"; "RussiaPost" (there are also channels, whoever is interested will find it), where people collect materials and tell what a new one will be built in Russia, which enterprises are expanding, which ones are being built (factories, schools, etc.) from scratch, which new production facilities are being built in Russia etc. A lot of new things can be learned.
If, of course, you need to know the real situation in the country and you are interested in the truth, and not in the false belief that everything is lost in Russia, watch.

I swami agree that we have officials of different levels, thieves, and what kind, but to say that nothing is being done is also not correct, to put it mildly.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

before 2014 we bought about 80%, now we are able to meet our needs 100%

Have you ever tried to think? Where do they come from cucumber and tomato seeds?

Quote: Achilles

"Time forward!"; "RussiaPost"

Propagandos, and sometimes with blunders. They tried to pass off the Abbott enterprise as a domestic pharmaceutical plant. All other achievements are scanty, and do not change the picture as a whole. It is easy to check it by going to any store of tools, electronics, household appliances. According to Murashko's recognition, more than 70% of the components for the pharmaceutical industry. industry import. Almost all light industry products are imported. For five years, domestic socks were more common, now it is almost invisible. Pancake pancakes are either China or Turkey. Shame.
You would not disgrace yourself with statements, you cannot deceive your eyes.

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Propagandos, and sometimes with blunders. They tried to pass off the Abbott enterprise as a domestic pharmaceutical plant. All other achievements are scanty, and do not change the picture as a whole. It is easy to check it by going to any store of tools, electronics, household appliances. According to Murashko's recognition, more than 70% of the components for the pharmaceutical industry. industry import. Almost all light industry products are imported. For five years, domestic socks were more common, now it is almost invisible. Pancake pancakes are either China or Turkey. Shame.
You would not disgrace yourself with statements, you cannot deceive your eyes.

As for seeds, Russia has opened its own seed producers and, as far as I heard, there is an expansion.
I’m not saying that we’re all on horseback, I’m just saying that we are gradually returning our own production. All at once, it does not happen.
But I understood for myself, you are one of those who see only bad things, your business.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

As for seeds, Russia has opened its own seed producers and, as far as I heard, there is an expansion.

As it was, it remains the same, for some items the dependence has increased.

Quote: Achilles

I'm just saying that we are gradually returning our own production.

In what areas? where can you see and touch?

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In what areas? where can you see and touch?

Are you serious, you are too lazy to search the internet yourself?
For example, in agriculture, I have already followed the example of vegetables, in animal husbandry. Machine-tool industry had 5% of its own production, now 35%
There is a very powerful railway production in Russia. For example, Russia produces mainline and passenger locomotives, electric trains, carriages, and auxiliary units.
Most of the production is concentrated in several companies:

Transmashholding manufactures mainline freight electric locomotives (2ES5K, 2ES4K), passenger (two-system EP20 operating on alternating current EP1M and direct current EP2K), mainline diesel locomotives (2TE25KM) and passenger locomotives (TEP70BS), shunting locomotives (TEM EG2TV - "Ivolga"), rail buses (RA-2), passenger cars of all classes, special cars and many other products;
Sinara - shunting diesel locomotives (TEM and TGM), freight electric locomotives of direct and alternating current (2ES10, 2ES7), electric trains (ES2G - "Lastochka"), all kinds of track equipment, railcars, cranes, other special trains and diesel engines;
Uralvagonzavod - in addition to the actual passenger and freight cars, produces individual elements for them, as well as a wide range of military equipment.
That is, practically all railway equipment in Russia is Russian-made (except perhaps for a part of the Sapsan trains that were purchased from Siemens), and much of this is exported.
With the aircraft industry, the situation is a little worse, the only fully completed commercial project is the SSJ-100, for which there are complaints due to an accident and a number of emergency situations (although there are still orders for this model). But the United Aircraft Corporation has a project for the near future - a medium-haul MS-21, which still looks quite promising.

In addition, Russian aircraft manufacturing enterprises produce military and special aircraft equipment, and much more.

Shipbuilding is no less large-scale - there are various projects in the portfolio of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. These are tugs, tankers, icebreakers, and even a floating nuclear power plant. With the transition to a policy of import substitution, Russian shipbuilders began to receive more government orders (in fact, they mostly hold on to orders).

For example, the Atommash enterprise from Volgodonsk is one of the few manufacturers of equipment for nuclear reactors in the world. The reactor vessel, steam generators and other units are produced there, and 8 sets of equipment can be produced during the year. The VVER-1200 and VVER-TOI reactors are exported to Belarus, Turkey and India.

The matter does not end with nuclear power, there are several manufacturers of power equipment in Russia:

Power Machines, together with Siemens, produces power units for TPPs and HPPs, which are supplied not only to Russian energy facilities, but also abroad. The holding includes many enterprises - this is Electrosila, and the Leningrad Metal Plant, and the Plant of Turbine Blades, and much more;
Ural Turbine Works - produces steam and gas turbines. For example, one of the developments is the world's most powerful cogeneration turbine T-295 / 335-23,5, which has enough capacity to heat 100 apartments;
Rostec is a state corporation that unites almost all technological production in Russia (700 organizations).
Engines for various purposes are produced in Russia - aviation, tank, rocket and others; most of the companies are part of the United Engine Corporation. One of the key projects is the PD-14 aircraft turbofan engine, which can take a good place in the market. PD-14 was launched into serial production only in March 2020
Good positions can be found in other areas of mechanical engineering in Russia - for example, the Ural Heavy Engineering Plant produces walking excavators, and the Ural Instrument-Making Plant produces ventilators (which is very, very much in demand in 2020).

Finally, the Rostselmash plant, which produces almost all the equipment that is needed in agricultural production (and at the same time buys up factories around the world), has taken a good pace of production.
For example, in Russia there are several large enterprises that produce all kinds of electronics:

NPO TsTS - contract manufacturing of electronics in Kaliningrad. It produces 2% of the global production of set-top boxes for digital TV (most of the Tricolor set-top boxes in Russian homes are produced there);
Rezonit is a contract manufacturer of printed circuit boards, including assembly of elements. Production is constantly expanding, there are already 3 sites and a fourth is being built;
A-Contract - designs and manufactures printed circuit boards of any kind, including assembly of components and installation in the device case;
StarLine is a very well-known manufacturer of alarm systems, recently also engaged in contract manufacturing and built a full-cycle production complex in the Leningrad region;
"Promsvyaz" from Yekaterinburg is also a contract manufacturing, they are ready to produce even cables and loops, they perform turning and milling works;
"Orbita I" is a production facility owned by a Swedish company in the Kaliningrad region; there is both automatic circuit board printing and non-standard manual assembly.
There are also lesser-known companies whose products are used by customers all over Russia. For example, not the most popular branch of kitchen appliances has several large enterprises at once:

ELIKOR - manufactures kitchen hoods using Italian technology. The assortment already includes hundreds of models, and every year the enterprise in Kaluga produces up to 500 thousand hoods (probably covering almost the entire market with this volume);
Darina is a well-known brand of cookers and built-in appliances. All this belongs to Gazprom Bytovye Sistemy, and the plant in the Perm Territory was built by a German company;
Penza PO EVT - manufactures equipment under the brands De luxe and Electronicsdeluxe. The production is serious - there are welding, foundry, and plastic production, glass processing and stamping of parts;
the Axion motorcycle plant in Izhevsk - apart from car components and medical equipment, it produces household appliances, including hair dryers, blenders, coffee grinders, dryers, etc. Directly at the plant, we have developed our own models of meat grinders and juicers, which are of high quality;
"Lysva" - production of gas and electric stoves of more than 50 models. There are no innovative models, but most of the assortment is a time-tested technique for reasonable money;
Altai instrument-making plant "Rotor" from Barnaul - in addition to products for the defense industry, it produces meat grinders, dryers, goods for motorists, etc. under the brands "Rotor" and "Katun";
Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant - produces not only small arms, but also plates under the Dream brand. He works in the budget segment, has been dealing with plates since 1967.

You can go on and on, just don't write that everything should be your own, now there is not one plant in the world or an enterprise does not have everything of its own, now all economies are somehow connected with each other.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Please, list the laws that directly influenced the improvement of the well-being of citizens?

Out of pure contradiction - for example, the law on maternity capital. Not?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

for example, the law on maternity capital. not?

You swim shallowly. It is very difficult to use it, and in real life it does not fulfill the declared functions.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It is very difficult to use it, and in real life it does not fulfill the declared functions.

Stop! Judging by the fairly large number of those who received it, there are no particular difficulties there. Yes. it is necessary to collect certificates, but at least half of them through government services.
Whether or not he does is another question, in our area there are noticeably more babies after him ....
But then you wanted an example of a law that directly improves the welfare of citizens.
So they gave the mothers money, even if for part of the housing, but they gave

[tatra]

Great, this is the answer I was waiting for. List the laws that the United Russia adopted for the benefit of the Russian people.

[restless]

It's strange, no one wants EP, and there were more votes than anyone else, very strange ...

[ZeeD]

Nothing strange. As the observer at the precinct said:
- Looking at who and in what quantity is going to vote, I have no doubts who will win, and for this you don't even need to cheat. At first they do not go to vote, and then they whine on the Internet that candidates who do not like them are winning ...

[bk316]

At first they do not go to vote, and then they whine on the Internet that candidates who do not like them are winning ...

Definitely! Bull's-eye.
And one of the types of whining about "again counted wrong."

Stool "householders" under the slogan "Why walk, everything is so clear!" did their job and "sat" their "favorite" party for another 4 years.

And rightly so.
Now think: "Ingvars" and "Dedkistars" they are against EP or did everything to make it win.

[yang174]

As I understand it, there were no falsifications with e-voting, and there were no ballot boxes either? And they drove them by buses and trains to vote, is it just a dream?

[bk316]

As I understand it, there were no falsifications with e-voting, and there were no stuffing either

Electronic voting can be checked by everyone. Kasperich did his best, wrote a mega-system, which, in my opinion, is superfluous - for the paranoid.

[yang174]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP04I4hvZ-g Касперычу там привет большой

[bk316]

Unlike you, I am a programmer with 40 years of experience, and I understand how this system works. And fakes from rain and other liberal-inagents don't interest me.

[yang174]

Communist foreign agents or liberals?
vespoint .. excellent worker .. with 40 years of experience .. higher education ..
then there are no crooked programmers with forty years of experience ... and not only programmers

[bk316]

the communists

And then the communists, you yourself listened to the video - infa then from the rain.
Yes, even from the GDP, I will repeat, unlike all of you, I understand how it works.
Girls are not interested further and further.

[yang174]

Nope .. I watched and listened to him, and I was subscribed to Pavlik, as well as to radio Aurora and Red Line. and have been watching him for a long time already. and then what? in fact, there is something to say about the screenshots? or are you going to carry any snowstorm?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

Electronic voting can be checked by everyone. Kasperich did his best, wrote a mega-system,

How can I check what percentage of votes were cast for each individual party? I’ll answer for you - nothing. Therefore, there is no need to fence in nonsense.

[sustav75]

And what's the point of the number of people who came ?! Panfilova was given the command to draw a figure slightly below 50%! At least 100 people, at least 100 million ... People simply lost faith in the elections in Russia. Health and nerves are more expensive! Fight a system in which people have no conscience and whose goal is only profit! Excuse me ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: restless

It's strange, no one wants EP, and there were more votes than anyone else, very strange ...

Nothing strange.
Stool "householders" under the slogan "Why walk, everything is so clear!" did their job and "sat" their "favorite" party for another 4 years.

[TRex]

Yes, there is nothing strange here. The voting system has worked out a scheme for changing the results. those. rigging elections. This is observed systematically, at all levels - from the village to the capital ... For example: a day ago in the mountains. Moscow's indicators for the CPRF were higher than the United Russia by about half a percent, for those and others in the region of 30% ... 12 hours pass and the United Russia is already about 50, and the CPRF slides to 25. In a few hours, thousands and thousands of ballots for the "Eating Russia" party appear from somewhere... This is not only in Moscow .... In the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District the same thing ... And what is going on in Chechnya is a separate story ... One word - Putin's infantrymen.
All this is called - a crime against the people, corruption, falsification, etc.
"... Oh, and make a fool of our brother: in the medieval knight - our sawdust ..." (A. Raikin)

[Sling cutter]

Quote: TRex

For example: a day ago in the mountains. Moscow's indicators for the CPRF were higher than the United Russia by about half a percent, for those and others in the region of 30% ... 12 hours pass and the United Russia is already about 50, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation slides to 25. In a few hours, thousands and thousands of ballots for the party appear from somewhere "We are eating Russia". This is not only in Moscow ...

This e-voting is mostly + rigging.
All over the world, electronic voting has been banned due to the impossibility of verifying the results.
The latter was banned by the Supreme Court of Germany.

[bk316]

This e-voting is mostly + rigging.

Electronic voting in the Russian Federation allows you to check EVERY vote.
If you don’t understand shit about this, you don’t have to write nonsense.
There may be a doubt about anonymity, but not about falsification.

In general, if you want the systemic impossibility of falsification, demand an OPEN vote!

[Achilles]

Quote: bk316

Electronic voting in the Russian Federation allows you to check EVERY vote.
If you don’t understand shit about this, you don’t have to write nonsense.
There may be a doubt about anonymity, but not about falsification.

You are right, Kaspersky specialists were engaged there and any programmer is clear what the matter is and that everything is clean there, but not for sofa experts.

[bk316]

but not for sofa experts.

Yes, you know, even a sofa expert can figure it out, the trick is that they don't want them to whine about "they thought so" more conveniently than to work on their mistakes and try to change something next time. In this they are very similar to the same KPRF, which basically does not want to take power, they are also satisfied with everything. Zyu, Zhirik and the rest of those who passed this official statement. I just think maybe this is an established democracy

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

Electronic voting in the Russian Federation allows you to check EVERY vote.
If you don’t understand shit about this, you don’t have to write nonsense.
There may be a doubt about anonymity, but not about falsification.

Funny! Even the Supreme Court of the Federal Republic of Germany banned electronic voting due to the impossibility of verifying the results.
And here is the data before and after the e-mail.

[bk316]

Even the Supreme Court of the Federal Republic of Germany banned electronic voting due to the impossibility of verifying the results.

Do not disgrace yourself Stroporez, do not write about what you do not know. It all depends on the system, in ours nothing can be hidden or falsified. If anyone knew how - he got rich because he could mine, that is to falsify bitcoin in unlimited volume. And what is there and why is banned in the FRG we need to understand.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

It all depends on the system, in ours nothing can be hidden or falsified. If only someone knew how he got rich because he could mine, that is, falsify bitcoin in an unlimited amount

As far as I understand (correct) the voting was based on blockchain technology.
And now a few questions as to an experienced programmer
1. Is it possible to vote incognito.
2. Is it possible to change one block in a chain without changing the entire chain.
h. Who has the key.
4 why the data wasn’t released for more than 15 hours
5. why the Supreme Court of the Federal Republic of Germany banned electronic voting.
Perhaps my questions are amateurish, correct.
I ask without any polit. background.

[bk316]

1. Is it possible to vote incognito what do you mean by incognito?
2. Not
3. It is a component, parts were distributed to various people, for example given to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation
4. First, the data on paper voting were announced. As far as I know, these were the demands of the opps.
5. Probably their system did not have the necessary stability, for example, from cyberattacks. By the way, there is no office of the level of Kaspersky in Germany. In the USA, it was possible to send a paper bulletin by mail, and so hundreds of thousands of bulletins were "lost" (officially Karl !!!), even in the last voting. And they repeated it, that is, they do not care about the reliability, but they are afraid of Russian hackers, I think the Federal Republic of Germany thought about the same. I am guessing, it is necessary to read the resolution part of the decree.

In general, these questions were answered in detail by a responsible comrade on the box.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

bk316 (Vladimir)

In general, at my user level, it is understandable.
I assumed incognito either under a different name, or without specifying it.

[bk316]

I assumed incognito either under a different name, or without specifying it.

Well, you first log into government services, so everything is immediately known about you, right down to biometrics. There you are assigned an ID for voting. This ID is then sewn into all records. Therefore, you can recognize every voice. In principle, nothing prevents from logging to the log to whom which ID was distributed. This is actually a little annoying.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

Therefore, you can recognize every voice. In principle, nothing prevents from logging to the log to whom which ID was distributed. This is actually a little annoying.

Understood. It turns out that you can find out the name of the voter and, most importantly, for whom the vote was cast.

[bk316]

Right?

Well, the government claims that this information is not stored. But that's just a word.
What does it have to do with even kasperich not in business. If logs are kept, then this is for the authors of the state service website or for Moscow, the mos.ru website.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Stroporez

In general, at my user level, it is understandable.

Man, why are you getting involved in an argument? The adequacy of this "comrade" is already clear from this statement -

Quote: bk316

By the way, there is no office of the level of Kaspersky in Germany

[bk316]

The adequacy of this "comrade" is already clear from this statement -
Quote: bk316
By the way, there is no office of the level of Kaspersky in Germany

Can you name such an office from the Federal Republic of Germany a specialist?

In the field of information security, according to any research, Kaspersky Lab is in the 5th (according to some studies in 3) in the world, which is not regrettable for the fighters. German firms are not in the top ten.
Sometimes it's better to remain silent.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

German firms are not in the top ten.

And so they cannot ensure the safety of the process?
How does the Bundesphere ensure the secrecy of databases without the Kaspersky Lab?

[bk316]

And so they cannot ensure the safety of the process?

They cannot create a system that is both secure, scalable, and fast. Well, what can I explain to you, to understand this you need at least minimal knowledge in this area, first learn how to write the word "Bundeswehr", if you really feel such piety that you write with a capital letter.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

first learn to write the word "Bundeswehr"

Does this somehow affect the meaning of what was said? Or are you one of those narrow-minded uryak people who look for grammatical errors in order to seem smarter?
And do you really think that Germany is not able to afford to hire qualified specialists, for example Kaspersky?
Are you seriously?

[bk316]

Does this somehow affect the meaning of what was said?

It speaks volumes about your education.

to hire qualified specialists, the same Kaspersky?

Hiring a kasperich is political suicide.
In general, if "to hire specialists" to solve all the problems, humanity would flourish for a long time.

It is useless to waste time with you.
You are not able to understand the meaning or you do not want to.
You should argue. A typical wrestler.
By the way, unlike a sling cutter.
Actually, this is what distinguishes a fighter from a person who is critical of power.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

It speaks volumes about your education.

Does one grammatical mistake in a foreign word speak of education?

Quote: bk316

Hiring a kasperich is political suicide.

There are Western experts. Kaspersky is also hired by ours. No need to make a patriot out of him, he is a pure comerice.

[bk316]

There are Western experts.

he is a pure comerice.

Are you telling me about Kaspersky?
I drank more than one liter of vodka with him, took part in more than one project, when no one knew him yet.
We met when we were still students, and his classmate joined me in the group.
And you know what about him, except for scribbles from the Internet.
Have you seen one information security specialist live?
Maybe enough balabolite?

[Ingvar 72]

And I drunk with Putin!
Maybe it's enough nonsense to drive about the inability of the Germans to organize competently the process of remote voting?
They clearly voiced the reasons for the refusal, you are trying to pull an owl on the globe, arguing this with a booze with Kaspersky.
Damn guard.

[bk316]

They clearly stated the reasons for the refusal,

I read the law. Well, you are a fake artist.
They did not prohibit remote electronic voting, they prohibited the use of machines for receiving and counting votes during voting, that is, you cannot use KOIBs, and not distance at all.
All in the ban, there was still not enough fake to disassemble.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

I read the law. Well you are a fake-hitter

Are you a sane person? Then tell me, did they refuse electronic voting, or not?
PS A little higher, you explained their refusal from electronic voting by the lack of qualified programmers. How funny you are in the zaputin frenzy!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

Do not disgrace yourself Stroporez, do not write about what you do not know.

That you would not be disgraced in your old age. It is easy to check in the internet in which countries electronic voting was introduced, and according to what wording it was canceled there.
What city do you live in, sir "good"? Have you talked to people on the street for a long time, or do you get data on the support of the EP population from a zombie box?

[ada]

bk316 (Vladimir)
In general, if you want the systemic impossibility of falsification, demand an OPEN vote!

I unequivocally support such a statement, because this is the initial stage of an active life position that everyone is talking about, but either they do not understand anything about its implementation or do not want to do anything and go to the polls by secret ballot, in fact, hiding their position about which it would be possible to declare , even if by choosing an existing political force, to begin with. The provision of the legislation on elections regarding the expression of the will of citizens through elections by secret ballot does not justify itself at the moment and needs to be corrected. The lack of control over the voter is to some extent a myth, but the lack of control over your vote is a reality. Developing and implementing electronic voting on our own is not just a necessity, it is a vital necessity, it is the future!

[Achilles]

Quote: TRex

Yes, there is nothing strange here. The voting system has worked out a scheme for changing the results. those. rigging elections. This is observed systematically, at all levels - from the village to the capital ... For example: a day ago in the mountains. Moscow's indicators for the CPRF were higher than the United Russia by about half a percent, for those and others in the region of 30% ... 12 hours pass and the United Russia is already about 50, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation slides to 25. In a few hours, thousands and thousands of ballots for the party appear from somewhere "We are eating Russia". This is not only in Moscow .... In the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District the same thing ... And what is going on in Chechnya is a separate story ... One word - Putin's infantrymen.
All this is called - a crime against the people, corruption, falsification, etc.
"... Oh, and make a fool of our brother: in the medieval knight - our sawdust ..." (A. Raikin)

If you are so confident in falsification of elections, go to court to prove, otherwise all the masters blah blah blah, everyone knows how to scratch with their tongue, but the matter does not come to real evidence

[TRex]

What kind of court would you recommend? Maybe Basmanny? Or Gagarinsky, where Platoshkin was tried? We swam - we know about your justice ... And all reasonable people see real evidence on TV screens and on the Internet - all the numbers, all the facts, all the unparalleled lies and insolence with which the EP is rushing for another term. It remains only to guess - what else good will the Duma come up with? Today I was pleased to learn that they have legally banned the breeding of chickens in their dachas. This is where the dog rummaged - only business was ... Now we will live!

[Achilles]

Quote: TRex

What kind of court would you recommend? Maybe Basmanny? Or Gagarinsky, where Platoshkin was tried? We swam - we know about your justice ... And all reasonable people see real evidence on TV screens and on the Internet - all the numbers, all the facts, all the unparalleled lies and insolence with which the EP is rushing for another term. It remains only to guess - what else good will the Duma come up with? Today I was pleased to learn that they have legally banned the breeding of chickens in their dachas. This is where the dog rummaged - only business was ... Now we will live!

You accuse in writing of election fraud and without proof, who are you then? Balabol?
About chickens, can you think? Let's speculate and you will agree with me.
At the dacha, it was forbidden to breed more than 5-6 chickens, and not quite. Now tell me who will protect the rights of those citizens who live or have come to the country and are forced to breathe all the bad smells and incoming sounds, the smell of which is carried around. And from such chicken coops an unbearable smell is carried (they also include a pig, cows, etc.).
This law just protects most of the rest of the citizens who are in the country and who, in the hope of coming to get some fresh air, can you at least understand that?
+ There are laws that clarify where you can raise chickens, cattle, pigs (meaning in the quantities provided by law) and at the same time do not interfere with the residence of other citizens.

[TRex]

Sasha! Enough! Do you want to clarify the position of the State Duma on smokers? I understood everything and agree. It is a pity that in the courts there is only one line with the conclusion - "balabol", for that on a bird nine ... You did a great job in these elections - more than 25 deployed posts. I ask you to use less expressions "stupid", "balabol", "pathetic and narrow-minded", "your little brain", "stupid cutter", etc., this is too aggressive and offends site users ... "Military Review", to unfortunately, it turns into some kind of political platform where frank propagandists of all stripes appear who have nothing to do with military affairs ...
As for all kinds of "accusations and evidence", let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and all other interested parties do this, but I think that the current state of affairs suits them all - they will sit in comfortable chairs in the State Duma and will continue to puff out their cheeks and let dust in the eyes of voters ...
And the last thing: write competently - "heres" and "Achinea"

[Achilles]

Quote: TRex

Sasha! Enough! Do you want to clarify the position of the State Duma on smokers? I understood everything and agree. It is a pity that in the courts there is only one line with the conclusion - "balabol", for that on a bird nine ... You did a great job in these elections - more than 25 deployed posts. I ask you to use less expressions "stupid", "balabol", "pathetic and narrow-minded", "your little brain", "stupid cutter", etc., this is too aggressive and offends site users ... "Military Review", to unfortunately, it turns into some kind of political platform where frank propagandists of all stripes appear who have nothing to do with military affairs ...
As for all kinds of "accusations and evidence", let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and all other interested parties do this, but I think that the current state of affairs suits them all - they will sit in comfortable chairs in the State Duma and will continue to puff out their cheeks and let dust in the eyes of voters ...
And the last thing: write correctly - "heres" and "Achinea"

And what should I call you, who accuses of falsifying elections without evidence?
+ The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation intends to obtain administrative and criminal penalties for the disseminators of fakes, stuffing, and calls for unrest in the elections. And what are you doing? Your quotes about falsification of elections fall under fakes and stuffing. Before accusing someone, first gather evidence.

[TRex]

I have only one "quote" - about sawdust in a medieval knight. Fakes, stuffing and calls are also somehow not traced ... Did you think of scaring me, young man? Read everything carefully - from start to finish. There is a direct appeal to you ...
Write correctly: "first gather evidence. "
There is such an old folk wisdom - "THE HAT IS BURNING ON THE THIEF".

[Achilles]

Quote: TRex

Yes, there is nothing strange here. The voting system has worked out a scheme for changing the results. those. rigging elections. This is observed systematically, at all levels - from the village to the capital.

Here are your statements, what's this? How can this be called?
I just do not understand people like you who can blame without evidence and try to teach to write correctly, but the essence of this does not change, such people are popularly called balabol.

[zenion]

Achilles. Can you prove that there were no falsifications? I have lived for some time and I remember everything that was done under the Soviet regime, from Khrushch to Marked. Then they reported on the early fulfillment of the five-year plan - we fulfilled the five-year plan ahead of schedule in four and a half years and six months. Aren't you surprised by the constant same United Russia numbers from election to election? As if on the edge of a knife, but they stand on it firmly and calmly. Which of the capitalists has lost at least one election, this has not happened in history and will not be in which country? Even Hitler failed!

[Achilles]

Quote: zenion

Achilles. Can you prove that there were no falsifications? I have lived for some time and I remember everything that was done under the Soviet regime, from Khrushch to Marked. Then they reported on the early fulfillment of the five-year plan - we fulfilled the five-year plan ahead of schedule in four and a half years and six months. Aren't you surprised by the constant same United Russia numbers from election to election? As if on the edge of a knife, but they stand on it firmly and calmly. Which of the capitalists has lost at least one election, this has not happened in history and will not be in which country? Even Hitler failed!

It depends on what you mean by the word falsification, you can talk as much as you like, but there is no evidence. I have a lot of friends who voted for the EP, not because they are good, but out of fear that they will come even worse. I personally voted for the Rodina party (Alexey Zhuravlev), I personally support the idea that there should be about 3-4 parties in the Duma with the same votes.

[zenion]

You are probably already an adult and do not know that the word falsification means substitution. Back in the days of that government, it was said that no matter who voted, it is important who counts. Abram went to one company to get a job as an accountant. Of course the interview is at a high level. The chief of the enterprise told him that we had a lot of people who wanted to, but none of them knew the multiplication table. Rabinovich, how much is two multiplied by two in your opinion? Rabinovich - and as much as you need, so much will be. Chef - we need you!

[Redsun]

Quote: zenion

Can you prove that there were no falsifications?

By the way, you are turning it upside down. The burden of proof lies with the approver. So the facts of falsifications, please, on the table, because neither Achilles, nor anyone else will be able to bring facts confirming the absence of falsifications. At this point, you either believe it or not. But what is definitely a fact is the decrease in the EP rating. And if you think that the election results are falsified, then what prevents you from drawing any other, even more beautiful result for the authorities, bringing in more "new people" to parliament instead of the communists who are toxic for the United Russia in percentage?

[zenion]

Burden of proof? Wife to husband - would take an example from our boar - only eats, but does not drink vodka. Husband - maybe he would have drunk, but who will give him. Whoever gives real reports to some pest who says - priests, so what they tell us and what is being done - we are not told. Besides, who will give it to him, who dares. You read people who write this, as Mark Twain wrote. He learned Russian and many other languages ​​in order to read the original. For, as he wrote - the exact translation - it is ugly, and the beautiful translation - it is inaccurate. On his first trip to Russia, he praised Nicholas number two. But after he learned Russian, he was indignant at them.

[Redsun]

In essence, you apparently have nothing to say. Pointing to an opponent in a dispute about his mistakes in the Russian language is much more lack of culture than making these mistakes. This is the Internet, not an exam in Russian

[Achilles]

Quote: redsun

So the facts of falsifications, please, on the table, because neither Achilles, nor anyone else will be able to bring facts confirming the absence of falsifications.

This is the first time I hear that the guilty or innocent would prove his innocence, you knew that guilt must be proven, and not the other way around

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

You accuse in writing of election fraud and without proof, who are you then? Balabol?

The internet is full of video evidence. But I bet that a maximum of a couple of people will receive conditionally, although there are hundreds of examples.
So you are a balobol, but with a mathematical bias.

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The internet is full of video evidence. But I bet that a maximum of a couple of people will receive conditionally, although there are hundreds of examples.
So you are a balobol, but with a mathematical bias.

Have you analyzed these videos yourself? There are videos that were made at a different time, i.e. in 2013, in 2017, etc. but people do not care, they believe in everything that the elections show and denigrate.
You yourself think, would the EP would have fired like this if there were a bunch of cameras? Or is it easier for you to believe in the dirty elections and the lawlessness of the EP who are ready to do anything under the camera to denigrate themselves and thereby show how bad and dirty they are. Do you seriously believe this provocative video?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

There are videos that were made at a different time, i.e. in 2013, in 2017

There are some, but the bulk of it is from these elections. In Dagestan, the results are off scale, but a very interesting case happened there. The PEC chairman misguided the installation from above, and "painted" 98% of the party of the Greens. EP got zero there! Here are your fair choices!
Are you tired of lying? Are you ready to defend the "honor" of the EP with people on the street?
Do you really not understand that the actions of the authorities are pushing people to take radical measures? Blood will pour - it will be too late to think. And you personally will not be able to sit on the sidelines. It’s your curators abroad who will get rid of you, they won’t take you with them.

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

There are some, but the bulk of it is from these elections. In Dagestan, the results are off scale, but a very interesting case happened there. The PEC chairman misguided the installation from above, and "painted" 98% of the party of the Greens. EP got zero there! Here are your fair choices!
Are you tired of lying? Are you ready to defend the "honor" of the EP with people on the street?
Do you really not understand that the actions of the authorities are pushing people to take radical measures? Blood will pour - it will be too late to think. And you personally will not be able to sit on the sidelines. It’s your curators abroad who will get rid of you, they won’t take you with them.

Not that this will not happen, you cannot answer for everyone, who only dares to take up arms and trample on the overthrow of the government, I will be the first to stand up, I personally do not want again what happened after the revolutions of different times, this is chaos, devastation and collapse. I do not defend the United Russia, I do not want to come to power such as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with pseudo communists, who support half of Navalny and which are full of the rich and hungry for power.
Your wet dreams will never come true
About 98% of the Green Party, this is a lie, check the information first.

In the elections to the State Duma of the eighth convocation in the federal electoral district, 81,18% of voters voted for United Russia. The Communist Party got 6,20 votes, "Fair Russia - Patriots - For the Truth" - 5,56%, the Liberal Democratic Party - 2,49%, "Party of Growth" - 1,05%. Less than 1% of voters voted for the rest of the parties.
Three parties pass to the People's Assembly of Dagestan of the seventh convocation: United Russia (73,74% of the vote), A Just Russia - Patriots - For Truth (12,71%) and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (11,62%).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

whoever dares to take up arms and trample on the overthrow of the government, I will be the first to stand up,

I will remind you of your words when people take to the streets.

Quote: Achilles

"United Russia" was voted 81,18%

Why are you poking me with official numbers. They are completely deceitful. I ask many people who they voted for, the bulk of them voted for the Communist Party. But at least splash it in your eyes, all the dew of God.

[Achilles]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I will remind you of your words when people take to the streets.

People will not go out into the street, even if drops come out, mostly people here are smart and do not want another revolution, all the more bloody. If traitors come to power and Russia will riot in pieces, then the people will rise. You can at least write anything, but the facts are the Communist Party gained as much as it did, not many people voted for the Communist Party because they started supporting Navalny and smart voting, and in general the Communist Party is populists and liars, they have a very dubious program, people learned to distinguish between lies. And when you see such a Communist Party, people voted for the United Russia not because they like the United Russia, but because it did not get worse.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Achilles

not many people voted for the Communist Party

Tell others about these tales. I ask all the cross-sides whom they voted for - the majority for the Communist Party. Units for LDPR and SR. For EP, no one.

[Beringovsky]

I read your dispute with interest. I will say one thing - I do not consider these elections and their results to be fair and reflect the real mood in society. And I am not obliged to present proof to anyone.
Let others prove the opposite, and we'll see.

[your1970]

Quote: TRex

Today I was pleased to learn that they have legally banned the breeding of chickens in their dachas. This is where the dog rummaged - there were only business ... Now we will live!

Yes Yes.....
1) legislatively - it was forbidden at summer cottages in SNT a long time ago.
2) Not the Duma, but the Supreme Court on the claim of a citizen against Rosreestr for a fine under Article 8.8 of the Administrative Offenses Code of the Russian Federation. She was fined 10 for non-targeting ...

[Revival]

Which court do you propose to go to?
In Russian?
The judge rejects my complaint about a fine for a mask for lawlessness, like you did not prove that the decision was not sent to you in time.
I have not proved that the official did not send me the order !!!!
To such a court?

[nod739]

Moreover
Cool pattern ...
As soon as polling stations closed at edrosov% grew hour by hour

no matter how they vote, the main thing is how they count

[your1970]

Quote: nod739

As soon as polling stations closed at edrosov% grew hour by hour

Naturally, everyone grew up! The paper bellyutenis began to be counted AFTER they were closed.

[hagen]

Quote: restless

Strange, no one wants EP

Nothing strange. It's just that an aggressively blatant minority creates the illusion of a dominant majority. In addition, this minority is supported by the VO admin resource. I here had the imprudence to point out to one administrator about his deliberate inaccuracies and received five warnings in one session. Those who are out of 49% do not survive here for a long time. This is how a community "nobody wants" is formed, divorced from the general mood of the people. Quite with the style of the communists - if the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed. Which, in general, does not attract me to the Communist Party. They (I mean modern "communists") have such a philosophy - aggression, lies and indifference to human blood. I noted this even when analyzing the counter posted on the VO before the 2016 elections. Learned from experience, administrators in these elections did not dare to repeat this experiment. Therefore, I will say that you are not quite right when you say that "nobody wants EP." Many want to, but they are quietly silent and do not cast a shadow over the fence.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

Therefore, I will say that you are not quite right when you say that "nobody wants EP." Many want to, but they are quietly silent and do not cast a shadow over the fence.

Quote: Hagen

Those who are out of 49% do not survive here for a long time. This is how a community "nobody wants" is formed, divorced from the general mood of the people.

Well, firstly, you really don't exist 49%, and secondly, you are without ideas, that is, opportunists, you feel good and comfortable in the swamp, everything is settled, you confidently call it a job to resell conditional Chinese "cowards" wholesale and retail, and then back, you have already acquired small connections, the necessary telephone numbers, the prospects of taking the place of the boss, changing "logan" to "duster", then investing in zero in a new house and go to Turkey, at worst to Anapa and life is good.
I'm not saying that many do not do this, but some of the many are deeply disgusting, and others are style-life.
The worst thing is that the prospects for both conventionally satisfied and dissatisfied are the same, to vegetate in this very stable swamp and die directly during vegetation and, alas, not in old age.

PySy.

In addition, this minority is supported by the VO admin resource. I here had the imprudence to point out to one administrator about his deliberate inaccuracies and received five warnings in one session.

Well, that's bullshit! We "dissatisfied" were banished-perebanit and before carried out in batches.
So you shouldn't be a martyr

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

Well, first of all, you really don't exist 49%

Well, of course not. As a result, there will be even more than 63. And if I can, at least with a large degree of approximation, assert this, then you have a weak proof of your hypothesis.

Quote: Stroporez

and secondly, you have no idea

What idea do you propose? Take everything away from those who stole (former communists and Komsomol members), who have earned their work and energy (there are also such ones) and divide it among everyone, including those who are not a finger on a finger ...? This is an idea ... And the embodiment of the idea, as in the dispossession of kulaks - knocking and actively helping with a revolver in his hand, the poor man receives half of the property of the dispossessed. Over time, the party's administrative apparatus moves away from the party masses and forms its own caste. The history of the CPSU will help you. And your whole idea will revolve, and today revolves, around benefits, pensions, free housing, i.e. around the issue of obtaining material benefits, sometimes unearned. I am also not against the "manna from heaven", if it is not there, I direct my energy towards earning it. And over time, yes, from a rusty "penny" gradually moved to a completely new "Santika". At the same time, I raised my children and today I rejoice at their successes.

Quote: Stroporez

you confidently call the reselling of conventional Chinese "panties" wholesale and retail as work

I live in a small Siberian town. And if someone does not carry out the work on this, as you call, the resale of cowards, then I, and millions of mine and your fellow citizens, most likely you, will go naked even if they are overproduced in the country. Yes, I really think that trading is a job. And the USSR could not cope with it and therefore collapsed. Can't you see the connection between these events? Your problem ... or rather your education.

Quote: Stroporez

you have already overgrown with small connections, the necessary telephone numbers, the prospects for taking the place of the boss

Are you not? Well, then you are such a person that no one needs you, you - no one. I will not evaluate it. You yourself are the blacksmith of your life path, you have the right

Quote: Stroporez

vegetate in this most stable swamp and die directly during vegetation.

This is your choice.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

And over time, yes, from a rusty "penny" gradually moved to a completely new "Santika".

Ha! I absolutely reliably described everything, your little philistine happiness
If you think that I'm going to take it away from you and share it, no duc!
Enjoy your "santik", save up for "pradika", because it is more prestigious and more status
"All that you have learned, I have long forgotten what you wanted to become, I have been for a long time."
You just do not understand what will happen next, you invented a world for yourself, you didn’t even come up with it, but invented it for you and it seems to you that you are successful.
A sort of nepman, merchant, damn it
Only your NEP is not Chinese.
You are intimidated by the paradigm shift from speculative-stagnation to creative, it is easier for you to drive a margin of 300% into Chinese consumer goods than to produce better than Chinese.
For the rest, I'll tell you this, "My friend, I know everything, I myself am a brother of these, but alas, you did not understand anything in the song ..."
Unlike you, I have not changed my beliefs, as I was a "red scoop" (not to be confused with quilted jackets), so I will stay with them.
Workers of all countries unite and peace huts war palaces!

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

I absolutely reliably described everything, your little philistine happiness

You're interesting person!!! Why are you trying to describe me? I myself know that I am. Who are you? An angry loser? The representative of the "red scoop", who did not break off from the "gold of the party"?

Quote: Stroporez

Unlike you, I have not changed my beliefs

Do you know what my beliefs were? I will reveal the secret. My convictions were formed at a time when Soviet people in factories and design bureaus already clearly saw the difference in what was said from the high tribunes, at congresses, and so on. does not coincide with what is in real life. When the words of the party have long and cardinally diverged from its deeds. Are you staying in the old dogmas? So you have been living in hatred for the country in which you live for at least 30 years. Your problem ... A normal person always changes a little as he grows. For the more information you absorb, the wider you see the world. And he sometimes differs somewhat from the first impressions received in his youth. Do you want to blame me for my changes? And who are you on this mission? What have you achieved to try to evaluate and teach me something? Are you reassuring me that you do not want to take what I have acquired from me? You have no idea how funny and pathetic you are ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

Do you know what my beliefs were? I will reveal the secret.

Yes, there is no secret, you can be read like an unnecessary book.
Emptiness, like in a drum, there is sound, but nothing inside

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

Yes, there is no secret, you can be read like an unnecessary book.

Well, don't read it. I didn’t start this empty chatter. All your slogans "from the forgotten newspapers of the times of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea" I re-read back in the 70s. Are you proud of keeping your beliefs? Apparently you still do not understand why at 91 all your "scoop" disintegrated. It is better to be empty here than full of sawdust and have lost the ability to gain experience. After all, you didn’t even express a judgment in any phrase except for the headings from the “communist”. There is no subject for pride here. All that you are capable of is to show your mediocrity, from the first word moving on to assessing the personality of the interlocutor and trying to somehow humiliate him. If you are not empty, what are you filled with? (do not answer, otherwise I will lose my appetite ... )

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

If you are not empty, what are you filled with? (do not answer, otherwise I will lose my appetite ...)

Come on, wipe the headlights on the "Santika" and digestion will become stable
I am made of stuff like this:
Of two insoluble collisions;
Of bright colors, full of triumph;
Of black, suspicious doubts.

I am made of finds and losses.
From the right ideas and misconceptions.
My soul is open like a door.
And there are no barriers or fences in it.

I am made from distant cities
In which I may never be.
I love these cities for
That people live in them and believe in miracles.

I am made of un-given flowers.
I am out of reproaches, disputes, objections.
I am made up of the longest words
And also from short sentences.

I'm made of rebellious fire
From the strength and power of burning.
I am from the luck of today
But most of it comes from the falls.

So see? But this is the lyrics! Do not worry, we will not touch the small traders, I will pat for you.

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

So see?

I thought so. You do not have your own ideas, steal strangers? And I am far from the snotty-tearful romance of 15-year-old Sarychev's admirers. True, the song image does not "fall" on your previously written words. You are lying here too ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

I thought so. You do not have your own ideas, steal strangers? Yes, and I am already far from the snotty-tearful romance of 15-year-old admirers of Sarychev. True, the song image does not "fall" on your previously written words. You and here

What is plagiarism?, I forgot to quote! Poems without music by a specialist laid out Besides, if romance is left after fifty dollars, that's good!
This. I spent the age limit with you as part of the educational process.
I know why you have such a "undermining", you do not see the future, but the patamushta is gloomy under the current circumstances and in your gloomy consciousness.
Remember how in "Courier", "Bazin, what are you dreaming of? A coat for the fall, ......
Put on your coat and dream about something great! "
So you already have a "coat" in the form of a "santica", the prospects for "pradik" and "gelik" are very vague.
But for your perception of the world, my dear, this is all complicated

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

This. I spent the age limit with you as part of the educational process.

You have not reached the level to stutter about parenting. Buy a book and educate yourself first. You are not interesting to me with your claims to greatness. Prove it to your family. Everything. Bye. Mature thoughts will appear, I will be glad to communicate. But leave your thoughts about me to yourself ... I'm on them .... in general, it doesn't matter.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Hagen

You have not reached the level to stutter about parenting. Buy a book and educate yourself first. You are not interesting to me with your claims to greatness. Prove it to your family. Everything. Bye. Mature thoughts will appear, I will be glad to communicate. But leave your thoughts about me to yourself ... I'm on them .... in general, it doesn't matter.

Come on, why are you so angry?
Well, to calm you down, my dear, think that it's me out of envy, like a lump-minded marginal intellectual Well, how not to envy the little philistine happiness of a small member of society, which is rolling in tar-tararas.
Oh, okay, okay, I won’t, and indeed, the conversation is not about you and not about you, but about what motivates people like you, what percentage do you make, at what moment you were able to "reset", although about what here to speak, if even the top hired manager himself is reset to zero. Apparently everything is heading towards this ...

[hagen]

Quote: Stroporez

conversation sobsno not about you and not about you, but about what motivates people like you, what percentage do you make

If there are so many of you, the fragments of the "red scoop", as you proudly call yourself, then how did you ask the Great Country ..? You that then did not manage to defend it, and today you will not be able to build a new one. You have all the steam out of the whistle. You are incapable of big things, no matter how hard you try. The only time in 1996 you had the opportunity, with old yeast, to return to power. But even then your spiritual leader threw you as the last ... And since then you have not carried out a single significant action to restore your vision of justice. There is no one and no one with anyone. There are a lot of you? Where are you? Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo And there is no need to talk pretentiously about what drives me. Think better why you are not "moving" anywhere, lie dead with an old deck, and wait for someone to fan the flame from a spark. An ignorant disgrace .... Yes, you shouldn't worry about my peace of mind. Because your ooh-sighs about the "red scoop" do not have potency and do not cause anxiety by action.

[poquello]

Quote: Stroporez

If you think that I'm going to take it away from you and share it, no duc!

Ha! well, do not try! get together and take away, at least my free time and my choice of what to do, because there will be nothing new since 1917, first you will rip off the rich, then the middle peasants, and then make the poor people work for a brighter future

[your1970]

Quote: Stroporez

You are intimidated by the paradigm shift from speculative-stagnation to creative, it is easier for you to drive a margin of 300% into Chinese consumer goods than to produce better than Chinese.

At one time, in Soviet history textbooks, they described how, during the construction of a plant in Komsomolsk on the Amur, in order to speed up construction - the Komsomol members cut the thread on the hairpins with files on a thread ...
Questions
1) why did the Moscow People's Commissariat not control this issue? Who was punished for this?
2) are you sure that today's youth are ready to live morally in a tent and because of someone stupidity to cut threads with a file? Just do not write that this will not happen again.

[bk316]

The worst thing is that the prospects for both conventionally satisfied and dissatisfied are the same, to vegetate in this very stable swamp and die directly during vegetation and, alas, not in old age.

Well, you yourself have explained where 49% come from. Bingo.
It is only necessary to say that by adding one-mandate members we get not a majority, but a constitutional majority. The show is over, the curtain is over.
What I wrote about: let's wait for what the GDP will say at 24.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

The show is over, the curtain is over.
What I wrote about: let's wait for what the GDP will say at 24.

No, dear, the show continues and we are all participants.
Show Must Go On !!!

[bk316]

Show must go on

Show must go on.
But something tells me that everyone is happy from the United Russia to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from the SR to Yabloko (only the Vladimir prisoner thinks and the hell I came back here) which means everyone will return to their daily activities.
Although there is a small chance that the United Russia has confirmed its constitutional majority is now riveting laws.
But this also depends not on the Duma, but on the GDP.

[poquello]

Quote: bk316

Show must go on

Show must go on.
But something tells me that everyone is happy from the United Russia to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from the SR to Yabloko

by the way about Apple))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), IMHO people listened to their nonsense and ran for the EP to vote

[bk316]

IMHO the people listened to their nonsense

Their ad about repealing the law on inagents was a masterpiece of political suicide.

[poquello]

Quote: Stroporez

Well, first of all, you really don't exist 49%,

there are many more of us, not everyone is going to vote, because EP is an undisciplined party

[bk316]

there are many more of us, not everyone is going to vote, because EP is an undisciplined party

Therefore, when online voting is introduced everywhere in the Russian Federation, this percentage will still grow.

[poquello]

Quote: bk316

there are many more of us, not everyone is going to vote, because EP is an undisciplined party

Therefore, when online voting is introduced everywhere in the Russian Federation, this percentage will still grow.

not a fact, I turned the primaries, stuck it in and everything was closed, well, in general, "two titanium balls"

[bk316]

well, in general, "two titanium balls"

It happens.....

[Revival]

Of course, many "want", especially state employees, teachers, doctors, utilities, military personnel, they go by buses, go in formation

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

they go by buses, they go in formation

So what? Do you like the one that will be chosen by a hundred people out of a total of 145 million? You have correctly noted that they are going and going ... No one can say that they, who have come and have come, are limited by the choice for whom to vote. But this is the main thing in the elections. Duty, albeit a civil one, must be fulfilled. Those who do not want to do this need to be forced ... And those who are completely stubborn can, for example, be deprived of this privilege. They don't care about it anyway.

[Revival]

Don't pretend you don't understand.
The problem is not that they go by buses and go in formation, but that they go and go to vote properly

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

but in the fact that they go and go to vote properly

How to control? And how to make sure that even the same observers from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation do not know about it. Have you heard that at least somewhere it sounded that some municipal boss tried to establish control over the expression of will in the voting booth? It is only writers on VO who complain that they removed the video surveillance from the sites. In fact, the video was full-length. And it was followed by opposing forces that would not conspire. Somewhere there was a message that the camera did not capture either the cabin or the trash can (I don’t remember), there was a scandal, the camera was turned on in 10 minutes. I will tell you about my city - they were present in each precinct commission and received copies of the primary protocols from beginning to end. And with these protocols a big one is reduced to the countryside. Cash bribery is possible as long as the infa does not leak to the election commissions or observers. Caught - you can sit down, but the candidate flies out for sure.

[Revival]

Here I am just about the second side of the problem:
1) about those who have come to such a disgrace that in a booth, where he is not seen slavishly fulfills the instructions received.
2) electronic voting in the workplace, do you understand why?

But, such and do not deserve the right to choose ...

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

1) about those who have come to such a disgrace that in a booth, where he is not seen slavishly fulfills the instructions received.

And where did you get the idea that they are there, left to themselves, doing someone else's will? Why do you think worse of them than of yourself? What reasons do you have for this? Just that they made a different choice from yours? This is your paranoia ... and some kind of narcissism. Do you really think what is more correct than everyone else? This is mistake...

Quote: Revival

2) electronic voting in the workplace, do you understand why?

Nonsense ... There is not a single complaint about someone being forced to vote in the workplace. Moreover, each voter electronically has the right to change his primary option once. Therefore, you can always come home and express your real opinion. And even if someone demanded a photo of a completed "correctly" bulletin (this happens when buying votes), then you can take this photo in the "right" form, then put a few more daws (make it damaged), then ask him to replace it and make your real choice. People who want to make their choice have every opportunity to make it. In general, when you make some assumptions about some more or less significant phenomenon, it would be nice to familiarize yourself with the legal field and the subject's capabilities in it. Then all sorts of "voting under control", "146% of those who voted", "forgotten people from Donbass", "Panfilova's orders to remove video surveillance" and other informational garbage, actively thrown to us by our "non-systemists" through partner media for other people's money, disappear. They are doing all this with a specific purpose - to undermine the internal legitimacy of the state authorities and take it under control like Ukraine. Do you like this perspective? To me, absolutely not.

[Grits]

Quote: restless

It's strange, no one wants EP, and there were more votes than anyone else, very strange ...

What's so strange about that. Apparently the concept "nobody wants" is a purely your subjective concept. And your opinion still differs from the opinion of the majority, as it turned out.

[SKVichyakow]

the party, which for the whole 20 years has not adopted a single law for the benefit of the people "Well, this is too much for you. No need to exaggerate. Otherwise your reputation will not be worth a penny. Was it not easier - was it easier to write an answer in essence that EdRo really did it for the people?

[URAL72]

It’s not easier, as he wrote by stamping his feet on the primer from a smartphone. Rewriting all the necessary laws - this will turn out to be a multivolume book. Hundreds of laws, duties, import restrictions, procurement of machinery and equipment, technologies have been adopted for one import substitution. Is it not for the people? After all, these are jobs, currency saving, budget and PF revenues, politics in the end. No? In Ukraine alone, they annually purchased military products worth $ 600 million annually. If I write at least a tenth of useful laws, I will wipe the smart through and through. And what is the opposition doing in parliament, in the media? All sorts of crybabies were thrown at me here, just because they raised the penny age. And what am I - for? No, and voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, although I fully support Putin. And if the "Maidan" gathers in Moscow, I will come to tear these creatures to pieces. After seven years of war for Donbass, I have the right.

[SKVichyakow]

All that you have given is how to pass a law allowing you to breathe air. These, and all the laws they have adopted, are directed with the help of lobbyists, at the prosperity of our "poor" oligarchs. So, as soon as they, during the crisis and pandemic, INCREASED their fortunes, unlike the rest of the people, tightening their belts tighter. You have the right to express your opinion and without fighting for 7 years, like any person. Usually those who were sitting in the rear, or atoshniks, in Ukraine, are trumpeting this. Real warriors do not trump this. If Ukraine were selling military products to us now, they would buy them now. Do we sell oil products to Ukraine? And much more. Sorry, but you are not convincing.

[yang174]

nunnayuu..18 after all, you, you are an adult already I’ll say so, just don’t break, if you’re going to pick someone's thread (and explain and justify the creatures-nuk) don’t be surprised at forty-year-old uncles who grew up in the 90s I would have glanced at how and who are you going to tear ... if the eggs are ringing loudly and loudly, go out into the street where the thread is ... well, like Kuntsevo, on a mashgorodok in Eburg, in Chelyaba at chmz, chtz, Lenin's and send someone the thread to .. .those who look over 35 years old .. I wonder how quickly your balls will be pulled inside

[Revival]

"And if the" Maidan "gathers in Moscow, I will come to tear these creatures to pieces"

Understand yourself, tear to pieces.
Where were you when the "Maidan" in Kiev?
Did you pick a lot there, and the result is not very good?
What are you waiting for, don't know where Kiev is?

To tear apart the citizens of Russia is not your status.

[zenion]

URAL72. Did a field worker hit at least one tank? Why the hell does he need a tank? At least several schools were built from those purchases, or they were allowed to take dead wood for heating, because there is no gas in the houses. Gas was supplied to several houses in one village, and the noise was raised like a crow after plowing a field. And the Communist Party is just a name that has nothing behind this sign. The country was created not by the communists, but by the Bolsheviks. Those who became communists tore it up, plundered and divided it, the people as well. And instead of socialism, it became advanced feudalism, which remained intact thanks to the people who first defeated Hitler's Europe, and then created a nuclear shield.

[Revival]

Yes, it would be more correct, it adopted many laws that directly worsened the situation of the population.

[Boris55]

Quote: tatra

Only the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR can have such that the party won the elections, which for the whole 20 years has not adopted a single law for the benefit of the people.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Please, list the laws that directly influenced the improvement of the well-being of citizens?

Only the communists on the territory of the USSR held alternative elections without!

Tricky question... In your opinion, are efforts aimed at acquiring the country's sovereignty for the benefit of the people or not?
Help: There are two views - I, the world revolves around me (Western approach) and WE (Russian approach). What are you for?

ps
Judging by the minuses, you are adherents of the West and defend their values ​​to the detriment of Russia.

[tatra]

Well, again, a cowardly answer - to all the accusations against YOU, the enemies of the Communists, you "shift the arrows" to the Communists. You don't even realize that by doing this you are only proving that you admit that you are not capable of refuting the accusations against you.

[Boris55]

Quote: tatra

Well, again, a cowardly answer - to all the accusations YOU, the enemies of the communists, you "switch the arrows" to the communists

Do you disagree with the fact that under the communists there was no choice at all in all elections? You are calling for a return to this practice - elections without choice, right?

I wrote about our elections more than once. If you have a desire to know what I think about this, go to my profile and read.

[krops777]

Well, again, a cowardly answer - to all the accusations against YOU, the enemies of the Communists, you "shift the arrows" to the Communists.

Accusations? Who do you think you are? The maker of destinies? Then you are not here.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

How did the Russian people become the enemy of the communists? Is it okay that the communists were killing the Russian people?

[zenion]

It was three million Jews who wrote twenty million denunciations and other pieces of paper, but did you have to react to them?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

So what? Do you have to shoot and spread rot because of denunciations? There is enough blood even without denunciations, only Zemlyachki can be remembered.

[paul3390]

Only the communists on the territory of the USSR held alternative elections without!

Okay - now we have a type of alternative election ..

And - what? Is it better for us to live, people are happier, the country is more powerful, the population is more numerous, healthier, more educated? Compared to the damned commies, then?

[Boris55]

Quote: paul3390

Okay - now we have a type of alternative election ..

Yes, we have a choice, but only within the framework of the dominant concept, which we do not choose.

Quote: paul3390

Compared to the damned commies, then?

In the USSR, there was a different concept (the rules of life of society).
In the USSR, a paradise was built for everyone. In Russia, we are building a paradise for the individual.

[paul3390]

In Russia, we are building a paradise for the individual.

Why should the people of Russia build a paradise for individual characters, and not for themselves and their descendants?

[Boris55]

Quote: paul3390

Why the people of Russia should build a paradise for individual characters, and not for themselves

They shouldn't, but they are building it. some have acquired knowledge of management and, thanks to this knowledge, hidden from the people, assign themselves exorbitantly high salaries.

[paul3390]

And you still seem to be a latent communist, my friend ..

[zenion]

So after all, those who were communists created power for themselves, although it was theirs after Stalin died. Khrushch is the people, we are your servants and we snatched everything.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Boris55

There are two views - I, the World revolves around me (Western approach) and WE (Russian approach). What are you for?

Borya, I don’t know why there’s what revolves around you, but at the moment the Russian people are the most disadvantaged, downtrodden and disenfranchised. He just quietly dies out and no gap is visible. This year there will be less than a million of us! Then another million, and then ...
we will dissolve into history ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Stroporez

It just dies out quietly

Who are the Russians? Are they pale-faced? Probably not. Only the pale-faced unleashed among themselves the bloodiest war of the 20th century. Who are they?

In my opinion, Russians are those for whom the values ​​of the Russian civilization (WE) are higher than generic, clan, corporate, regardless of skin color, cut and eye color. That is why there can be a Russian Georgian, a Russian Jew, a Russian Tatar, etc.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Boris55

In my opinion, Russians are those for whom the values ​​of the Russian civilization are higher than the generic, clan, corporate, regardless of skin color, cut and eye color.

Today, things are in such a way that Russians cannot defend their own rights, or maybe they don't want to.
I think that our ancestors turn over in their graves from what is happening.
Strangers in hijabs walk around our cities, but we do not care, we have abandoned collectivism, mutual assistance, conscience, pumped the achievements of our ancestors ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Stroporez

but we do not care, we have abandoned collectivism, mutual assistance, conscience,

Many foreigners tried to conquer Russia - it did not work out. They will not be able to do it this time either. Russian civilization is being revived. She is like a Phoenix bird after each revival, it only becomes more beautiful. Yes, it will not be a princely, tsarist, general secretary, and perhaps even not a presidential one, but it will be. I believe in it. Will the pale-faced stay on its territory - I hope so.

ps
Goodbye to everyone. It's time to get down to business.

[Troll]

Parties do not pass laws. Learn materiel. In short, the law is passed by the State Duma, and there are two chambers and many parties. Finally, new laws are approved by the President.

[Boris55]

Quote: Troll

Finally, new laws are approved by the President.

The President does not approve. He, as the guarantor of the Constitution, makes sure that the ADOPTED law is consistent with the Constitution and nothing more.

[Troll]

Let it not approve, but sign it.

[Boris55]

Quote: Troll

Let it not approve, but sign it.

His signature under the adopted Law only says about the Don, that this law does not contradict the Constitution, and before that the Federation Council gives its approval to the Law, if the adopted Law does not contradict the wishes of the federations. The Law itself comes into force ONLY after its publication in the media. Not after the president's signature, but after publication in the media.

[paul3390]

monitors that the ADOPTED law is in accordance with the Constitution

And I was thinking - this is what the Constitutional Court deals with ..

[Boris55]

Quote: paul3390

And I was thinking - this is what the Constitutional Court deals with.

The President, if necessary, has the right to send the adopted Law by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council to the Constitutional Court for verification of its compliance with the Constitution if he raises doubts about it.

[Snail N9]

What an interesting opinion, the president of the type makes sure that the law does not contradict the Constitution. And what about the constitutional infringement of the rights of citizens? How is the pension law signed by the president not infringing upon the rights of citizens? Or "is it different"?

[Revival]

Or changes it ...

[d1975]

Are you alright ? Which council consists of two chambers? Well, yes, probably chamber number 6? There are two chamber parliament in the Russian Federation, this is the State Duma and the Federation Council. Don't reinvent the wheel.

[Free wind]

Policemen, Ministry of Emergency Situations, warriors, etc. retirement at 40. They are for Putin. And those who provide them with pensions, at 65.

[krops777]

Only the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR can have such that the party won the elections, which for the whole 20 years has not adopted a single law for the benefit of the people.

Only the enemies of the capitalists on the territory of the Russian Federation do not have a clear program, only slogans and blah, blah, blah, so they lose their positions from year to year. Zyuganov is a smart man, you can listen to him so separately from everything dearly, but that they are officially talking about this complete nonsense. Judging by the last press conference of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, one gets the impression that Zyuganov has one goal, just to get into the thought.

[spectr]

At least they rebuilt what was destroyed before them. This is also a lot of work.
1. Pensions are paid on time. In the late 90s and early 2000s, I repeatedly saw grannies on the street who cried with shame and begged for alms. Now there is no such thing, there are beggars, but they sit silently and wait for whoever will give them what.
2. Heating. Then they pulled to the last. Now they can turn it on earlier if it's cold.
3. Hot water. There are fewer unscheduled outages.
4. Cars, apartments. Many took on credit. People got better with money. Previously, credit was not available to most. Then for several months the salary was not given. Some were given food instead of money.
5. The bandits were brought in line. In those years, I watched a chase with a shootout near my house. Now there is no such thing.
6. The army was restored.

They also have enough punctures and for each of these points you can write a lot of negative. But positive dynamics is still observed.
Personally, I am annoyed in this party that during its existence many parasites have attached themselves to it, who simply row money for their loyalty to the authorities, but as specialists they are nobody.

[Achilles]

Quote: tatra

the election was won by a party that has not passed a single law for the benefit of the people for 20 years.

Come on, here's one example, you are now paying utility bills directly to suppliers, right? And before, how did they pay, that's right, in housing and communal services, some of which, in turn, did not pay suppliers, and with the stolen money they were washed away over the hill and from this they were disconnected from gas, water, electricity, and what we see now. Or what? Here is a real example in favor of the people. Or is it different?

[Machito]

Opposition? Ahaha. Don't tell my horseshoes. In our country, only ruling parties get into the Duma. The new people made a lot of fun with the name of their party. What's new with them? Salaries? Positions?
Vote - do not vote, you will still get .... EdRo. When will they all get drunk?

[serg.shishkov2015]

I agree with your LAST thesis ABSOLUTELY! I turned off the elections at the last second, voted for novolyudov - a former deputy of our city duma is associated with them, it was he who was able to organize a major overhaul of my yard. I organized a round-trip, and my yard won the competition for choosing a territory for improvement, the yard had been shouting about repairs for 15-20 years!

[d1975]

See that new people are gaskets.

[serg.shishkov2015]

I will not argue. but the rest of me are not at all high. I voted, my vote did not disappear

[sgapich]

Quote: d1975

See that new people are gaskets.

I disagree, "New People" is not a pad, but faberlic (cosmetics).

PS I strongly suspect that it was thanks to the extensive network of distributors that this party succeeded in such a sharp leap immediately to fifth place. But this is my personal opinion, bordering on conspiracy.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Bearded

Opposition? Ahaha. Don't tell my horseshoes. In our country only ruling parties get into the Duma.

at the debates against Edr, representatives of the RPSS and the Rosta Party acted most vividly. The rest of the bubnezhka only remembered ... well, the result is eloquent

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

EP -49

I thought they were smarter. If I were in their place, I would have shown results almost equal to those of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and in the Duma I would have gotten the votes of the satellite parties. This would reduce the tension in society. But they stubbornly drag Nadod to rebellion. Although what to expect about the snickering power, where for years they were recruited not by the indicator of intelligence, but by the principle of loyalty to the boss. For example, take a look at the bath boy Degtyarev.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I thought they were smarter. If I were in their place, I would have shown results almost equal to those of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation,

There, the guys clearly follow the postulate:

In order not to complain about the refereeing, you need to win with a clear advantage.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Polite Elk

you need to win with a clear advantage

But what about at least the observance of the appearance of transparency and legitimacy?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But what about at least the observance of the appearance of transparency and legitimacy?

Do you think they find it necessary to throw beads?

[novel66]

if you can't win honestly, just win!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Polite Elk

Do you think they find it necessary to throw beads?

No, they don't. But we are not pigs either.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ingvar 72

No, they don't. But we are not pigs either.

It largely depends on the point of view.

[Revival]

I'm not trying to offend anyone, including myself, but there are no factors to say so (in the context of the given terminology).
Than the population has shown that it is not ...., he is crammed with everything they want and where they want and how much they want ... and nothing.
Nothing

[ZeeD]

And there everything is transparent: young people are doing badly, there are many pensioners and elderly people who vote predictably for the Communist Party and United Russia. The rest of the categories come much less.

[Revival]

Is it really necessary?
What is an example?
There are no people, and even more so.
And the population is quite manageable with handouts, and even without them.
The master said so, so it means

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I thought they were smarter.

YEDRO is a Caudle of selfish organisms, certainly cunning, but what kind of mind can we talk about ?!

[tasha]

YEDRO is a Caudle of selfish organisms, certainly cunning, but what kind of mind can we talk about ?!

Hey .. Tell me please, here is Artur Nikolaevich Chilingarov - is he also "a greedy organism, certainly cunning"?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

Tell me please, here is Artur Nikolaevich Chilingarov - is he also a "greedy organism, certainly cunning"?

His apoliticality, as well as the apoliticality of many other "persons of the party with a human face" hide behind the KOHB from the composition of EdRo. By the way, it is curious how he voted on the pension reform.

[tasha]

And Alexander Alexandrovich Karelin is also an apolitical person, incapable of independent decisions? And Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu?
However, I left a more detailed commentary on this below.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

And Alexander Alexandrovich Karelin is also an apolitical person, incapable of independent decisions? And Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu?

They are very, very politicized, no doubt, and how did they vote on their own, by the way, how did they vote?

[tasha]

By the way, how he voted on the pension reform, it is curious ... by the way, how they voted

I remembered here, from school still. There was one nasty little man in our class. Never did nasty things with my own hands. But the provocateur was cool. "And who was there yesterday, Petya, didn't let you write it off, I'm curious ...".
This, of course, has nothing to do with you ....

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

This, of course, has nothing to do with you ....

Of course not, because there are noticeably different things to prevent writing off and adopting an openly anti-popular law.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

However, I left a more detailed commentary on this below.

Here's part of your comment:

I respect many VO readers. I have to note that several thousand regular commentators are unfortunately not a full-fledged cut of society. And to judge the political preferences of all citizens of Russia according to our (of course, profound reasoning) is not a good idea. Yes, the United Russia party is voted for, its representatives are elected. No matter how we feel about it ...

Of course, commentators are not a full-fledged cut, if only because they do not represent the part of society that does not use the Internet.
However, we also do not live in a vacuum, and the overwhelming majority of my acquaintances DO NOT VOTE for EdRo, and their acquaintances also relate to EdRo. So the interest in our eyes is exaggerated and strong. This means that the party is by no means restrained by deception, and by no means intellectuals, otherwise the methods of winning and maintaining the trust of the majority would have been different.

[tasha]

However, we also do not live in a vacuum, and the overwhelming majority of my acquaintances DO NOT VOTE for EdRo, and their acquaintances also relate to EdRo.

Not an argument.
One commentator writes that against, the second against, the third ... Then it turns out that all these ten people go to one barbershop (?).
We voted for one person with a group of people, and our candidate was only the third. Because 15 people are a bunch, and 100 are a bunch ..

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

One commentator writes that against, the second against, the third ... Then it turns out that all these ten people go to one barbershop (?).
We voted for one person with a group of people, and our candidate was only the third. Because 15 people are a bunch, and 100 are a bunch ..

Powerful stream of argumentation.

[tasha]

What it really is.
I am sitting, trying, thinking, choosing the words so that the interlocutor could understand my point of view. But, you see, I'm a bad writer ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tasha

I am sitting, trying, thinking, choosing the words so that the interlocutor could understand my point of view. But, you see, I'm a bad writer ...

Don't worry, tell me, did you and your friends vote for EdRo? Well, on average?

[tasha]

I did not vote for United Russia. But there are some, yes. We catch them and ostracize them.
Below RADIKAL left a link to the article on publizist.ru. There is such a comrade there Sergei Khvoiny - here is from his comments:

Thanks, Douglas. // Yes, United Russia won the elections ... And even there are already official results, who-where. But in the middle of all this carnival, in the middle of all this props, there is one true detail. She won, but with what difficulty! Comrades, take a look at the percentages for at least my single-mandate constituency: KPRF-27,9% EP-29,5% SR-18,4% LDPR-5,6%
But the results of our TEC on the federal list of parties, take a look at the percentages: KPRF-29,5% EP-34,7% SR-11,0% LDPR-9,0% // Turnout, as I wrote, was 42%

Most importantly, do not try to blurt out that Sergei Khvoiny is lying ... I warned you!

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Although what to expect about the snickering power, where for years they were recruited not by the indicator of intelligence, but by the principle of loyalty to the boss

In the USSR, apparently the opposite was the case? Kalinin was apparently a talented manager. And Voroshilov is a brilliant military man ????
I guessed????
Nooo ????
That's strange ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svarog

disgrace they mock people as they want.

There has never been a meaner election ... But now, for sure, there will be ... It remains for everyone to unanimously choose for the fifth time or elect a president "elected by God" for the Russian people, so that the whole world cries out until the second coming.

[vadimtt]

The elections were fun. In my district, during all 3 days, according to data from the field, a representative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (a worthy person, a young associate professor of Moscow State University) won with a margin of 20%, but only until the results of electronic voting were announced, after which, according to the cumulative results, won representative of EdRo (he is still a "brother") with a margin of 30%
All is fair!

[d1975]

In our village, solve the problem easier, burglars. How they went on them and that's it, EP went into the lead. Sadly and shamefully. EP pulled by the ears.

[poquello]

Quote: d1975

In our village, solve the problem easier, burglars. How they went on them and that's it, EP went into the lead. Sadly and shamefully. EP pulled by the ears.

and where were the observers? how elections are the same stories, all in a rake?

[Stirbjorn]

what can I say, if the bright Bondarenko flew by with a double gap ... the local little-known oligarch won, of course from Edra

[d1975]

Yes, the order was for him and that's it. Such people are not taken as astronauts!

[poquello]

Quote: vadimtt

The elections were fun. In my district, during all 3 days, according to data from the field, a representative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (a worthy person, a young associate professor of Moscow State University) won with a margin of 20%, but only until the results of electronic voting were announced, after which, according to the cumulative results, won representative of EdRo (he is still a "brother") with a margin of 30%
All is fair!

we didn’t have electronic voting, but it would, as I understand it, there would be the same songs about the "miracle" because, for example, I would, of course, vote from home

[paul3390]

EP -49%

This is without single-mandate members, I apologize for the expression .. With them - still much more ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

EP -49% - a disgrace to mock people as they want.

They will scoff if the population allows it.

[g1v2]

Really. Here the fighters are already talking about the red banner over the State Duma and "we are power here" shouted, but the reality turned out to be cruel. It turned out that you are not the majority and in the near future you will definitely not become one. It's just that on the Internet everyone has broken up into groups of like-minded people and therefore they believe that they are the majority. After all, they still think on the site, and therefore in the country the same way. Echo of Moscow and its inhabitants, by the way, also think so. But in reality, it turns out that for some reason the winners are those whom, in the opinion of the inhabitants of red and liberal sites, no one supports. And all that remains is to howl on social networks. I sympathize.

[Finches]

So, when are the next elections there? Free 10 thousand on the road do not roll!
For the second day I like to read the "independent" mass media of liberals and leftist brtsuns with a "bloody" regime - such a howl is that those who squeal that the elections were rigged by this very "bloody" regime, they do not recognize them and threaten to go against the government: liberals to the European Courts of Human Rights, the Venice Commissions and other pseudo-democratic garbage dumps, while Zyuganov took a moth-beaten Budenovka out of the closet and threateningly calls to go "into the last and decisive battle", but within the limits of the current legislation ... Our political clowning is elections , the most watchable soap opera in showbiz!

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = Zyablitsev] garbage dumps, Zyuganov took a moth-beaten budenovka out of the closet and threateningly urges to go "into the last and decisive battle", but within the limits of the current legislation ... [/ quote
Let's defend the honor of deceived girls according to the laws of a brothel!

[Grandfather]

"... so that the bad about the tsar, the people do not talk for nothing, act strictly according to the law, that is, act on the sly ..." (C) Lenya Filatov.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

Our political clowning is elections, the most watched soap opera in showbiz!

Every time I read your libels on the communist (socialist) past and convictions of those who could not (did not want to) “fit into the market”, I ask myself the question: “Could you at another time get a decent education and officer's shoulder straps and what are you there spoke in front of the line with a machine gun in hand? "
==========
History has already proved that some "bloody regimes" give the second place in the world in the economy and annual millions of population growth, while other liberal market structures - eternal promises and promises, economic growth in the form of percentage error, the enrichment of hundreds of billionaires and a couple of hundreds of millionaires and annual population decline. And last week we were convinced (finally !!!) that we ourselves chose the minimum wage, VAT, retirement age, insurance medicine and the new composition of the Duma, which over the next five years will be able to come up with a lot more.

[Finches]

If you carefully read my "lampoons", you would understand one thing, I am for socialism, but what does the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Zyuganov have to do with it? Can you explain it intelligibly to me?
And as you must know, I do not go to the elections, so my conscience is clear

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

Can you explain it intelligibly to me?

I explain intelligibly: by uniting the left-wing forces, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation tried to stop the political chaos that is happening in the country. Explain to you that three-day voting and electronic frenzy, where the number of ballots issued is less than the number of voters, as well as wild queues of voters with absentee ballots - this is not the people's choice? Or do you think that our CEC is independent and extremely clean?
So, there is no need to condemn people for their right to an honest choice.

[Finches]

I consider Zyuganov a renegade and an agent of power, and the elections are a waste of time and government money. The change of power and the political and economic system in the country is possible only by a revolutionary path to which there are no prerequisites, and under capitalism I personally absolutely do not care who will sit in the Kremlin, except that there would be no Anglo-Saxon bedding, like Yeltsin or Navalny, therefore Based on the foregoing, in general, I am satisfied with the GDP and EP!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

I consider Zyuganov a renegade and an agent of power, and the elections are a waste of time and government money.

Exactly! Just say it - everyone will understand you, appreciate you, and people will be drawn to you. Moreover, I myself sent messages in the chat to Platoshkin and Karaulov that I do not consider GAZ a symbol of communism (socialism, especially). And he cited arguments about 1996 (and they gave me counter-arguments about the impeachment of the EBN and the betrayal of the Liberal Democratic Party). I told them that GAZ did not have a speech (not Cicero and not Platoshkin, and not Bondarenko), but they still assigned him some special role. Platoshkin said that after the elections the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will be a completely different party, and GAZ will leave ... Let's see how it will look.
A person who is 77 years old cannot be a fighter, a person who embraces ideological enemies cannot be a fighter, one cannot accept an award from the hands of the one against whom you are fighting (Lev Rokhlin refused the Hero's Star, although some accepted this award for him alone known merits) ...
That is why I am so careful about the statements of ordinary citizens who believe in the bright ideas of socialism. I even understand why 40% of voters (two out of five !!!) put it on all candidates, on all their programs and on the elections in general. Hope you can understand too. I'll tell you more, such people say that it is better to leave everything as it is, than to give the decision of their fate to candidates who have already cheated once, who already had a chance ...

[Finches]

I completely agree with this comment of yours!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

I completely agree with this comment of yours!

So, every time I try to mark the common and sensible thoughts of users, regardless of social status and nationality.

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Change of power and political and economic system in the country is possible only in a revolutionary way to which there are no prerequisites...

No, it will be so. I hope in their distant past, "History of the CPSU" studied and worked on the primary sources?

[Finches]

Well, there will be a day, there will be food!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

And as you must know, I do not go to the elections, so my conscience is clear

Straight to Churchill

[Finches]

Any power is bad for someone, but vice versa for someone! Even if we assume that the United Russia has won itself 30% of the votes, they still get more votes than the Communist Party - here's the answer to your question!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Finches

Any power is bad for someone, but vice versa for someone! Even if we assume that the United Russia has won itself 30% of the votes, they still get more votes than the Communist Party - here's the answer to your question!

Those. you will argue that the current government is good for the majority ?!

[Finches]

I will insist that most are happy with everything!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Finches

I will insist that most are happy with everything!

Doesn't suit, but adapt, settle in and try to survive alone at the expense of their own kind, and there is no future.
I understand the monarchists "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland", even more I understand the Bolsheviks "For the Motherland, For Stalin, For Soviet Power", but now what, for what and in the name of what?
Endless dregs and emptiness.

[Finches]

Yes, do not dramatize like that, in Chile, in the same practical situation, they still shot and drowned, and we have a socially oriented vertical of power under the symbol of stability and democracy, so the majority is really satisfied with everything!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Finches

Yes, do not dramatize like that, in Chile, in the same practical situation, you still shot and drowned, and we have a socially oriented vertical of power under the symbol of stability and democracy,

How can we talk about a social orientation, if the people are dying out, then have a conscience.
I will not even say anything about other indicators, but MORTALITY by a million a year
will overpower all other evidence.
Otherwise, everything is correct, they are not yet being shot, but they quietly and steadily "kill" under the false symbols of stability and crap, in general they are disposed of.

[Finches]

And you think that elections can change something, what are you writing about?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Finches

And you think that elections can change something, what are you writing about?

No, I do not think so!

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

and we have a socially oriented vertical of power

well, they made me laugh! Give examples of socially oriented internal policy of the authorities.
Maybe this...

[Finches]

On you, please! Now, if you were taken away and drowned for what you are writing now on the Internet, then yes, there would be no socially oriented state!

[d1975]

Yes you, my friend Pythagoras! How do you do this?

[Grandfather]

Quote: ROSS 42

"Could you at a different time get a decent education and officer's shoulder straps and what did you say there in front of the formation with a machine gun in your hands?"

how true ... I swore allegiance to another country, and twice, I do not swear.

[Finches]

That is, when Russia felt bad in the early 90s, you left her and left the army? Did I understand you correctly? But it was your choice!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Finches

That is, when Russia felt bad in the early 90s, you left her and left the army? Did I understand you correctly? But it was your choice!

1981-1983.

[Finches]

Well then, what's the problem then? You were not faced with a choice!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

when Russia felt bad at the beginning of the 90s, you left her and left the army?

One gets the impression that everyone is in shit, and you are one white and fluffy. Maybe you even D "Artagnan

[Finches]

No, not white and fluffy, just made my choice too

[Crowe]

Quote: Finches

So, when are the next elections there? Free 10 thousand on the road do not roll!

A slave who is aware of his slave position and fights against it is a revolutionary. A slave who is unaware of his slavery and languishes in a silent, unconscious and wordless slave life is simply a slave. A slave who salivates when he smugly describes the delights of a slave life and admires a kind and good master is a slave, a boor. You are just such boors, your words about freedom and democracy are false gloss, memorized phrases, fashionable chatter or hypocrisy. Your soul is boorish through and through, and all your education, culture and enlightenment is just a kind of qualified prostitution. For you sell your souls and sell not only out of need, but also out of "love for art"!
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[Finches]

Are you a non-slave already storming the Winter Palace? If you will climb over the famous patterned gates, please linger on the top, I will come to capture you for the history of the fight against the "bloody" regime!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

aliavnye 10 thousand on the road do not roll!

I thought you were smart and you disappointed. If there is no sclerosis, then picking up a calculator, you will calculate how much the state earned on freezing the indexation of pensions in order to then give pensioners 10 thousand each. For 6 years your idol has stolen 5 thousand from me every month, earned 360 thousand and slipped 10 thousand in return.

[Finches]

Did the laughing smiley say anything to you?

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Did the laughing smiley say anything to you?

I'm not funny

[Finches]

But, you know, I have not heard even from the most loyal supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or violent fighters against the Kremlin cases of refusal of the "bloody" 10 thousand!

[New Year day]

[quote = Zyablitsev] something I have not heard even from the most loyal supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or violent fighters with the Kremlin cases of refusal, the thief stole and returned part of the stolen. Return to the thief?

[Finches]

A! This is the same classic slogan of the oppressed lumpen proletariat "Rob, plunder!"

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

A! This is the same classic slogan of the oppressed lumpen proletariat "Rob, plunder!"

You didn’t understand something! If a thief stole and returned a part, then how does the victim become a robber? Whom did the victim rob if the thief CAM returned a part of what was taken away? Magnetic storms or what?

[Finches]

This is all demagoguery, in fact!

[starling]

I hope you resolutely refused this handout.

[Finches]

I look like a fool. what? I took it with pleasure!

[g1v2]

Eh, poor fellows. Again you got the wrong people. But nothing. Already in the 24th year, you will definitely take your own. Probably.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
✨Wanted the best, but it turned out as always ...
---
V.S. Chernomyrdin
***

[Van 16]

"We are smarter than those we choose"
M. Zhvanetsky

[paul3390]

This has never happened - and now again .. (c) V.S. Chernomyrdin

[Polite Moose]

If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them.

(Mark Twain)

[paul3390]

Muscovites gave the most votes for the United Russia party - 36,96%, in second place - the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with 22,66%. The victory of the party in power was brought by online voting, without taking it into account, she would have taken second place in Moscow ..

According to the results of electronic voting (excluding traditional polling stations), United Russia showed a higher result - 44,77%. The online rating of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, on the contrary, fell - 15,53% of voters voted for the party. For the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, 7,45% of Muscovites voted online, "Fair Russia - For Truth" received 6,84% of online votes, yielding to "New People" (7,86%).

At the same time The Communist Party of the Russian Federation became the leader in the face-to-face voting... 30,40% of those who came to the polling stations voted for the Communist party list. United Russia became the second with a small margin (30,10%).

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/20/09/2021/61482aa19a7947645b86be50?from=from_main_2

[Overlock]

Quote: paul3390

According to the results of electronic voting (excluding traditional polling stations), "United Russia" showed a higher result

Quote: paul3390

At the same time, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation became the leader in the face-to-face voting.

All the delights of a computer! Count it as you like. Yesterday this was exactly the assumption

[paul3390]

Since 1995, the CEC of Russia has 15 members, of which 5 are appointed by the President of Russia, 5 by the Federation Council, and 5 by the State Duma.

Well - and who is the CEC subordinate to in such situations? Amazing - the votes are counted by the characters that no one has elected! Should we then be surprised at the EP's results?

[teptyar]

exactly! anytime and anywhere !

[Mountain shooter]

Everything is over. The layout is known. We live on ...

[paul3390]

Well - how we were delighted after the last type of election of the adored guarantor - we all remember well. So - we are waiting for gifts from the enraged printer ..

[paul3390]

And no one was embarrassed that United Russia received 49,8% of the votes on the lists and took 198 single-mandate constituencies out of 217, where it nominated candidates? How can this be - the party received half of the votes, and its nominees in the constituencies - almost all?

But most of all - Khabarovsk struck, like in a single impulse it chose a character, against whom he spent almost a year booted ..

Actually, this is exactly what was expected. That there would be no sensations and that the United Russia would under no circumstances allow it to lose its majority in the Duma was obvious from the very beginning.

[Machito]

It doesn't matter how they vote. It is important how they are short-circuited.

[paul3390]

It doesn't matter how they vote. It is important how they are short-circuited.

For some reason, the liberals are attributed to Comrade Stalin, although the author is Napoleon III ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Hush hush! The sideman said - Stalin. So Stalin!

[Overlock]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The sideman said - Stalin. So Stalin!

He said a lot of things, his pearls have already become popular. For example how 500 млн Russians got a mortgage, the poor man got confused in the wars of Peter 1

[Machito]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The sideman said - Stalin. So Stalin!

He said a lot of things, his pearls have already become popular. For example how 500 млн Russians got a mortgage, the poor man got confused in the wars of Peter 1

I liked about the Polovtsy and Pechenegs. This is who is to blame for all our troubles. And the Khazars and Bulgars are not to blame.

[Region-25.rus]

For some reason, the liberals are attributed to Comrade Stalin

Well, the same memasik walks on the Internet. "So Stalin said! And that's it!" And these are yours - "What, who, when .... leave!". There is a memos! Funny. Here's something new thinking some. ((((

[AUL]

Quote: paul3390

That there would be no sensations and that the United Russia would under no circumstances allow it to lose its majority in the Duma was obvious from the very beginning.

Well, that's not why people were eager for power, to lose it because of some stupid election!

[sgapich]

Quote: paul3390

... But no one was embarrassed that United Russia received 49,8% of the votes on the lists and took 198 single-mandate constituencies out of 217, where it nominated candidates? ...

This is just easy. For example, the single-mandate constituency # 207, in which I have lived for 35 years (I was born in a different district, but it doesn't matter).
Of the candidates known to people, there are two: Irina Belykh (ER) and Mikhail Khazin (Motherland).
The rest are unknown persons.
Navalnovsky "UG" strongly supported the candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. For me personally, any support from "UG" is practically a lifelong stigma. On behalf of the New People party - a Baptist candidate who preaches on YouTube (the overwhelming majority of approving comments to them are in Ukrainian (some of the speech peculiarities, at the same time, allow us to conclude that the commentators are from Western Ukraine)).
Belykh - a well-known person in the region (not from the worst side). She led both paper and electronic voting.
Khazin is smart, but few people like it.
PS I must say right away that I voted for Belykh and for the EP. Electronic. Once.

[DNS-a42]

Let's remember the words of the classic. IN AND. Lenin on bourgeois elections:

The elections made under such conditions, the bourgeoisie, of course, likes to call "free", "equal", "democratic", "popular", because these words serve to conceal the truth, to hide the fact that ownership of the means of production and political power remains with the exploiters, which is why there can be no talk of real freedom, real equality for the exploited, that is, for the vast majority of the population.

[Crowe]

The bourgeoisie is forced to be hypocritical and call "the power of the people" or democracy in general, or pure democracy (bourgeois) democratic republic, which in fact is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the dictatorship of the exploiters
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[paul3390]

All our troubles are due to the fact that we stopped studying the classics .. But there - everything is extremely clear and clearly painted .. And no matter how they try to convince us of the opposite, it is amazingly relevant today. You read some of the works - it feels like they were written by a contemporary, one to one noneshnyaya situevina.

And even a tsar with a thought are available!

[askort154]

In the USSR, the deputy corps was also composed according to the social affiliation of the deputies. They always indicated the percentage of workers, peasants, intelligentsia, etc. Today this is not reflected in the reports, but in vain. Because there are only a few workers and peasants there. Basically, officials, intellectuals, business representatives, artists and athletes who see real life in the country from their windows: offices, cottages and cars.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: askort154

Because there are only a few workers and peasants there.

You are wrong. They are not there from the word at all.

[askort154]

Krasnoyarsk. You are mistaken. They are not there from the word at all

I was not too lazy to look at the last convocation. There were 18 people from the agricultural sector. Most likely, agro-officials. There is no data on "workers".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: askort154

Krasnoyarsk. You are mistaken. They are not there from the word at all

I was not too lazy, I looked at the last convocation. There were 18 people from the agricultural sector. Most likely, agro-officials.

Well, you understand that the "agricultural sector," in this case, is not combine operators, tractor drivers, milkmaids, but completely different people.

Quote: askort154

There is no data on "workers".

What data can there be about what is not in nature?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: askort154

Because there are only a few workers and peasants there.

Ivan Shandybin, I remember this ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: askort154

Because there are only a few workers and peasants there.

Ivan Shandybin, I remember this ...

It was so long ago ... "The Last of the Mohicans" of the Soviet system.

[d1975]

This is true and what laws they adopt from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to others we see.

[URAL72]

United Russia "will become the main one, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and" Fair Russia - for the truth "will form an opposition."

It looks like the author is far from politics. The Liberal Democratic Party works for United Russia, New Little People, is a dark horse. Zyuganov will bend his line. Swan, cancer and pike. Nothing will change, but the United Russia is confident in the stability of the Russian economy, export substitution is very slow, but it is moving, the bins of the homeland are quite full. It is already clear that the Stabilization Fund will be printed, so certain improvements can be expected.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: URAL72

New people are a dark horse

Judging by the way Matvienko "licked" them, the horse is not dark, but dirty.

[keeper03]

What improvements can there be if the country, except for all kinds of services, does not produce anything!

[restless]

We can only expect an increase in prices, taxes and an increase in the retirement age to which only deputies and officials will survive with huge pensions ...

[your1970]

Quote: restless

We can only expect an increase in prices, taxes and an increase in the retirement age to which only deputies and officials will survive with huge pensions ...

The pension of about 90% of officials is placed in the range from 10 to 12 rubles per month ...

[rocket757]

"The elections are over": the CEC summed up the final results of voting in the elections of the State Duma deputies

nothing unexpected ... did the "new people" move someone?
In general, this is a crisis of the genre ... many would think and start WORK in a new way !!!
We will see, although I have no idea what to expect. "everyone is happy", everyone who was in their place before and stayed.
Nobody is going to pull the hippopotamus out of this swamp ???

[JD1979]

))) Well, how does it feel? When, in August 2020, everyone here wrote that Belarusians are abnormal and want to protest against the "elections" in Ukraine, protesting against the "elections", now for some reason you are indignant against similar elections at home)) what is tasteless? What do you dislike about EP? Or do you have "it's different - you don't understand"))

[tatra]

Yes, everything is logical. Enemies of the communists wanted to capture Belarus, the same as in Russia they staged a massive election fraud. And the enemies of the communists are the same and incorrigible. That in Belarus they were stupidly AGAINST Lukashenka, but they did not offer anything and anyone better for Belarus and the Belarusian people, except for the eternal incantations of the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR about "freedom", and in Russia that before their elections, that now after them - they have one stupid malice AGAINST the Communist Party, and for the EP they have nothing.

[yfast]

It turns out that every second didn’t come. Of the rest, half like EdRo. A strange picture with Edra's single-mandate superiority is obtained, beyond the bounds of the explainable.

[ZeeD]

There is such that people vote for one party, and the candidate is chosen from another. And there seem to be quite a few of them. Several people in front of me discussed out loud who they voted for and their chosen candidate did not coincide with the party. I am not able to explain this ...

[your1970]

[left] [/ left]

Quote: ZeeD

Several people in front of me discussed out loud who they voted for and their chosen candidate did not coincide with the party. I am not able to explain this ...

If you don't like the party - but at the same time a particular candidate works well - why not?

[ZeeD]

Well, I didn't say that this is wrong) Rather strange from the position of loyalty to a particular party and nothing more. But this is their right.

[Free wind]

Judging by the results, more than 50% are parasites, cops, prosecutors, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, etc., they were the ones who voted .. The current regime gave them a lot.

[URAL72]

What does regime mean? Leave these cries of Western politicians to the liberals and other foreign agents. What is the regime, ask your grandmother or grandfather, when, for an anecdote, you could go on a long journey - to cut down the forest. And who prevented you from voting personally? I voted remotely for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, although I do not respect Zyuganov for Putin.

[Adagka]

Quote: Svarog

EP -49% - disgrace they mock people as they want.

The funny thing, or the saddest thing, is that there is a turnout of 50%, of which about 40% are state employees, here is the desired result.

[Overlock]

Quote: Adagka

of which about 40% are state employees, here is the desired result.

Forgot about stuffing

[BAI]

The results
they say bluntly that there is no point in going to the polls. None. And the Moscow Communist Party frankly corrected the results. Over the last XNUMX hours on ballot papers. Moreover, the bulk of those who voted electronically took place on Friday.

[yang174]

when they start without petroleum jelly, don't blame anyone

[Graz]

I don’t believe in such results, the turnout was most likely artificially raised by 10%, if not more, and 7%, according to my feelings, threw in excess

[APASUS]

Here is the whole answer to questions about changes, economic development, pensions, etc.

[unhappy]

Remember Buratina's dream?
Puppet theater - that is to say the Duma or the Congress or the Parliament. And Pinocchio is the owner and director. And you will buy tickets and think about the will of the people

[tasha]

I respect many VO readers. I have to note that several thousand regular commentators are unfortunately not a full-fledged cut of society. And to judge the political preferences of all citizens of Russia according to our (of course, profound reasoning) is not a good idea. Yes, the United Russia party is voted for, its representatives are elected. No matter how we feel about it ...

That's what interests me. Here you are, dear interlocutors, all adults, thinking people. But explain to me why, where and when an idea appeared in your head that everyone, without exception, all members of the United Russia party are swindlers, swindlers and thieves. And, excuse me, who and when manipulated you so cunningly that you are simply unable to express yourself other than "Edro", "Edrosnya" and so on?

I will inform you in advance that I have never been a member of the United Russia party and I am not. It is the topic of mass consciousness and its manipulation that interests me ...

[Van 16]

"United Russia" - crooks, swindlers and thieves "

It's simple. EP in a single impulse and with particular cynicism stole from me, from my wife, from my children five years of pension and about a million rubles. Therefore, yes, this is exactly how I treat them.

[tasha]

Hmm .. Maybe yes, a weighty argument. I don't want to get involved in discussions about pension reform and all that.
My friend, how old are you, if not a secret and why a million?

[Van 16]

Oh, what a secret. 56. And about a million - that's about, if you take the average pension, in five years, somewhere it turns out, from a million to two. Well, maybe I miscalculated somewhere ..

[tasha]

Thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure I share your point of view about the stolen millions. But, you know, I'd better abstain, yes ...

[yang174]

what are the results and where? sales over the past period. buckwheat for 100 rubles? or again they will write to me here that we are producing su -57, from 400-500 and so on.

[olhon]

If not for Latvia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation would have won in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. How
https://sakhalin.info/news/212155/

[Alevil]

The Edaras again bend the country. Now we can only guess what nasty things to expect in the near future. Probably there will be another increase in the retirement age; compulsory vaccination of everyone, including infants; the massive importation of guest workers, including "hardworking" Afghans, after which the mass terror against the local population will flourish with new colors; the increase in prices and tariffs, because the owners of the edra must beat off their investments and satisfy the growing appetites; repression against the communist opposition, which, according to the authorities, was too active and allowed itself to criticize the authorities too loudly. The Edaras will probably come up with something else. Their fantasy is rich.

[yfast]

Quote: tasha

where and when an idea appeared in your head that everyone, without exception, all members of the United Russia party are swindlers, swindlers and thieves.

In \ in Ukraine, 5% of the insane drag 95% of the sane. If Putin has not joined EdRo, it means something. They join the party not to build communism, but to master / obtain / lobby / squeeze / appropriate resources.

[KSVK]

Quote: URAL72

It looks like the author is far away ...

That's right!

Quote: URAL72

Nothing will change, but the United Russia is confident in the stability of the Russian economy, export replacement is very slow, but it is moving, the granaries of the homeland are quite full.

That's for sure. There is still oil and gas left. Well, for now, green Europe will not "substitute" for export. A little more woods, stones, metals, gold ...

Quote: URAL72

It is already clear that the Stabilization Fund will be printed, so certain improvements can be expected.

Have you seen him, the stabilization fund? Or can you judge its size by our "non-polite" media? The Stabilization Fund is about the support of Rosneft, Gazprom, Lukoil and other "national property". So the plebs, who dared not support the powers that be and the general line of the "chief helmsman", should expect new taxes and levies and further strengthening of supervision. Coupled with the accelerating stagnation of the economy.

[KSVK]

Quote: tasha

S manipulated, what to express otherwise as "Edro", "Edrosnya" and so on - you are simply already incapable?

Why not. I would use the name "edristnya". And just like that, with a small letter exclusively.

[Adagka]

Quote: Van 16

"United Russia" - crooks, swindlers and thieves "

It's simple. EP in a single impulse and with particular cynicism stole from me, from my wife, from my children five years of pension and about a million rubles. Therefore, yes, this is exactly how I treat them.

since rogue state employees in friendly columns on Friday morning on a working day go to vote for edro, then they are satisfied with everything. slaves as they are. another question why all the rest of their well ..... do not raise from the couch?

[zwlad]

And where did you get the idea that all state employees voted for the EP?
Or was everyone photographed with a filled-in ballot?

[Radical]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: restless

It's strange, no one wants EP, and there were more votes than anyone else, very strange ...

Nothing strange.
Stool "householders" under the slogan "Why walk, everything is so clear!" did their job and "sat" their "favorite" party for another 4 years.

There is also an alternative opinion -
https://publizist.ru/blogs/111926/40841/-

[zwlad]

the winner of the elections was the United Russia party, for which 49,82% of voters cast their votes.

Who would doubt that.

[Alexander X]

I believe that accusation of falsification can only be done if there is evidence of legal significance. Neither fakes from YouTube, nor arguments like "all my friends are against ..." will not work. There are a number of "opposition" parties that would be glad to collect extra votes for themselves, and this means that they are interested in revealing fraud. But no one seems to go to the courts. So there is no evidence. And the Hollywood accusation is libel.
And one more thing: where a visit to the voting point is "conditionally obligatory", and these are military personnel, law enforcement officers, etc., I think the percentage "for" United Russia is approaching 100. And those who did not want to vote because of the protest mood just missed their chance speak out. So it turns out that 51% of the able-bodied population who attended the voting points was just 49% for the EP ... IMHO ...

[Revival]

In my personal opinion, among other things, for the courts, in principle, there is NO evidence of falsification.
Why?
Because they can never be.
For ships ...

[p0pulivox]

Dear viewers! Check out the summary of the latest episode:
Regular elections were held in the country. As usual, depending on the mood and the will of the voters, the ruling party won a convincing victory ...

[Citizen simple (almost)]

but there is no need to wait for any big changes

Actually, this is all there was to know about the past elections. An exhaustive phrase, unfortunately.

[sgr291158]

And who would doubt that ED will win. It is difficult not to win if they were forcibly forced at the enterprises and drove to the polling stations in a crowd like sheep.

[Yaroslavl]

Putin's new people, this is the correct name for the fifth party ... in general, something will certainly change in the life of the people, but only for the worse ... the thought, as it was anti-people, has remained

[p0pulivox]

The results of the review of "elected" comments: this is what our vertical spiritually strong bourgeois democracy is like ...

[Codett]

Who would doubt that these elections will be fair, who would vote for this anti-people power in fair elections, and only, they can only be driven out of there by popular force ... but the people are asleep and are slowly dying out like everything else in the country.