Losses of United Russia, acquisitions of the Communist Party and New People: preliminary data on the results of elections to the State Duma

In Russia, a three-day voting for the elections to the State Duma has been completed. Various institutions, structures for the study of exit polls, and other specialized sites publish their own data on the preliminary results. In particular, these data differ, but on the whole, a general picture of who will be included in the new composition of the lower house of the Russian parliament is already emerging.

In particular, we can say that at least 4 parties will be represented in the next convocation of the State Duma. These are "United Russia", the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, an association based on "Fair Russia" and / or the party "New People".

At the same time, the processing data of the so-called exit polls suggests that the current party of the parliamentary majority is not gaining the number of percentages that were recorded at the end of the 2016 elections. If then United Russia won more than 54 percent of the vote, now this party (again, according to preliminary data - exit polls) has about 40 percent. At the same time, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation significantly improved its results. Instead of 13,34% of the votes recorded in the previous elections, Gennady Zyuganov's party is gaining at least 21% of the votes of Russian voters. If we talk about the official statistics of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation at the moment, after processing about 14% of the votes, “United Russia” has about 40,3%, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has 24% of the votes.

The same data from the CEC indicate that the LDPR was elected to the Duma with a score of about 9%, the New People party with about 7% of the vote, and the "Fair Russia" party with 6,8%.

It should be emphasized that all these are preliminary results so far. If we start from them, then United Russia has losses, while the Communist Party and New People have gains.

And if everything remains in this situation, then in the Russian parliament there will be deputies from one more party - the aforementioned New People. And for the formation of the parliamentary majority of "United Russia" may well require a coalition with one of the parliamentary parties. If the situation comes down to this, then it is very interesting which of the parties that have passed to the State Duma will go to such a coalition.

Comments

[Konnick]

Litmus test of election integrity is 57% for Mikhail Degtyarev
It just doesn't fit in my head.

[t-12]

And even with such honesty, with "pre-election" gifts to the military and pensioners, during the drawing of prizes ... with all this, "United Russia" received only 40%.

[Crowe]

That is why it is necessary to go to the polls. If more people had gone, the edr would have even fewer seats.

[t-12]

Edr would have even fewer seats

Let us suppose. So, what is next?

[Doctor]

Let us suppose. So, what is next?

And then a coalition of other parties in voting on acute social issues.
If EDRA has less than 50%, then EVERY law will have to be coordinated with other parties.
And something that may not work anymore.

For example, the laws would not pass:

about raising the retirement age,
on the increase in VAT from 18 to 22%,
on the prohibition of election campaigning on the Internet
on educational activities (state control over any types of educational activities).

[Civil]

Well, hold on, conductive EDRO will show the population how to squeeze the last juices) which is quite fair. The weak are beaten.

[Doctor]

Well, hold on, conductive EDRO will show the population how to squeeze the last juices) which is quite fair. The weak are beaten.

It is not clear yet. No 51%.

[tralflot1832]

There are no single-mandate candidates in this table. 176 single-mandate constituencies are in the lead by the United Russia. Now they have 250 deputy seats. 225 is half.

[Vladivostok1969]

Your picture is this CEC and, to put it mildly, a complete lie.
All three days I was at the polling station 712 in Vladivostok, and with all responsibility I can announce the data on the polling station.
Communist Party of the Russian Federation 307 votes
Green 8
LDPR 57
New People 68
United Russia 168
Fair Russia 74
Apple 11
Party of Growth 23
RPSS (Shevchenko) 10
Communists of Russia 13
Civil Platform 1
Green Alternative 2
Homeland 2
Party of Pensioners 48
I have copies of the final protocols in my hands. In other areas the picture is the same, except for those where the cadets of TOVMU, DVIMA, etc. were brought in line.
The authorities falsify the election results openly and without hesitation. They will write the figure that suits them. And should we allow them to do this again?

[datura23]

Are you calling for the overthrow?

[Vladivostok1969]

Aren't you a scammer?

[datura23]

of course a provocateur, you gave a reason to provoke you

[sp4rtak.igor]

Since when, when they tell the truth, do you perceive that this is a pretext for provocation?

[datura23]

Since when did your truth become universal?

[sp4rtak.igor]

Where did you see the word "universal" in my comment? Or do you think that only your truth and opinion is considered universal? However, claims to such provocateurs like a bull are red: if they are finally given an adequate and reasonable answer, they provoke even more.

[alystan]

EBN how did he come to power? Forgot? Remind the tanks on the bridge?

[tralflot1832]

At the 712th polling station in Vladivostok, there are only two men in the voting commission, one for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the other for UR. And you are assigned residents of 26 apartment buildings. So far, in the Primorsky Territory of UR, the lowest in Russia, the difference with the communists is only 8%.

[Vladivostok1969]

I cited the data on voting on party lists in the State Duma. Where did you see 8%? I can read out three more protocols. I can also show copies from other PECs. I also have the truth only in the form of photos. But the situation is the same there. But what about the two male representatives at the polling station? Yes, there were. Only the one that is called Sergei from the Communist Party, I think he will not say a word to anyone about the actual numbers during the voting. ...
At section 712, I was just an observer.

[tralflot1832]

Why, everything can be found. In Vladivostok, in some polling stations on the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, there were up to 45% of voters, now I am looking for figures for two other constituencies, why it was 38 and 28.

[mivmim]

Vladivostok1969, Oh, and you are a great lie.

[Vladivostok1969]

And where did I lie?

[sp4rtak.igor]

I think you lie much more and more sophisticated ..

[Revival]

"where were the cadets of TOVMU, DVIMA, etc. taken in line."
Do I understand correctly that they are planning to be called officers in the future?

[Vladivostok1969]

Only cadets of TOVMU.DVIMU will become officers of the civilian maritime university

[Revival]

Yes, sadness with such officers ...

[Mechanic]

Sadness from people like you, where did you get that your opinion is the most correct

[Revival]

The sadness is not in my opinion or theirs.
The sadness is that people planning to become officers allow themselves to vote on orders.

[Cb master]

Do you want to say all over the country voted in the same way as in the 712 polling station?

[Vladivostok1969]

Above, I already wrote that I have photos with copies of the final protocols from at least 10 polling stations. I can also inform you that the official data on the elections to the State Duma were not announced in the Primorsky Territory. Voting proceedings are underway in Ussuriysk. United Russia members cannot confirm the fact of voting. The protocols are filled in with violations. Fixed the substitution of safe packages. And this is exactly like in the whole country.

[Cb master]

Strive, sue. But don't speak for the whole country.

[for]

Quote: Arzt

And then a coalition of other parties in voting on acute social issues.

Do you still believe in fairy tales?

[Doctor]

Do you still believe in fairy tales?

Would you have believed 40 years ago that the USSR would collapse?

Wait and see.

[Mechanic]

The Internet would have been then and would have collapsed before. Many did not know anything

[sleeve]

VAT has been raised to 20%? As for the pension reform, there is more rogue in voting. And the "communists" voted against when it became clear that the law would be passed. But the image. The party in power knows how to trade. She always has something to offer, unlike the rest. Now the amendments to the Constitution will work and the ministers will agree. So let's see who is good for what.
By the way, thank you for reminding me about educational activities. There are some imperfections ...

[Doctor]

VAT has been raised to 20%? As for the pension reform, there is more rogue in the voting. And the "communists" voted against, when it became clear that the law would be passed. But the image.

Raised. Because the EP has an absolute majority.

Imagine what would become of their image if they voted in favor. There are laws that they would not have passed anyway, otherwise they would be a political corpse.

So far, the Communist Party is the only more or less real opposition.

[sleeve]

Raised. Because the EP has an absolute majority.

I mean that they raised it to 20 percent, and you write that it was 22. By the way, the Communist Party took 20% back in the 90s, when it had a majority. By 18% "lowered" edrosa, and when oil broke records, in the early 2000s. I asked about what you wrote "for counting" ... It is very unpleasant that, trying to explain the unpopularity (or not enough popularity) of other parties, they deduce the thesis that the population is unnecessary, walks, votes, and counts differently. There are no other explanations, the rest of the explanations are not about power, but about themselves. As for the Communist Party, let me disagree. And on the fact of the current elections, he will not agree at all. It may be the opposition, but what they opposed, oppose, and will oppose (especially given the entry into force of the amendments to the Constitution). This, as a man in the street, cannot but strain me ...

[Doctor]

I mean that they raised it to 20 percent, and you write that it was 22. By the way, the Communist Party took 20% back in the 90s, when it had a majority. By 18% "lowered" edrosa, and when oil broke records, in the early 2000s. I asked about what you wrote "for counting" ... It is very unpleasant that, trying to explain the unpopularity (or not enough popularity) of other parties, they deduce the thesis that the population is unnecessary, walks, votes, and counts differently. There are no other explanations, the rest of the explanations are not about power, but about themselves. As for the Communist Party, let me disagree. And on the fact of the current elections, he will not agree at all. It may be the opposition, but what they opposed, oppose, and will oppose (especially given the entry into force of the amendments to the Constitution). This, as a man in the street, cannot but strain me ...

The Communist Party voted AGAINST the VAT increase. And the rest (except for EDRA) too.
Therefore, if there were more others, the law would not have passed.
And prices would have dropped less.

http://www.kprf-kaliningrad.ru/2021/07/kak-golosovali-parlamentskie-partii-po-poslednim-rezonansnym-zakonam-suhaja-statistika.html

[sleeve]

Are you seriously?! 2% pushed inflation? Wouldn't it have been accepted and nothing had risen at all? You, as I understand it, are a supporter of the (possibly ideological) Communist Party? So far, only two questions:
1. Where is the mention of Marxism-Leninism as an organizing (at least) ideology in their program?
2. How was the Communist Party going to fight the "new price revolution" in its program? (Note: if you remove the word "control")

[Doctor]

Are you seriously?! 2% pushed inflation? Wouldn't it have been accepted and nothing had risen at all? You, as I understand it, are a supporter of the (possibly ideological) Communist Party? So far, only two questions:
1. Where is the mention of Marxism-Leninism as an organizing (at least) ideology in their program?
2. How was the Communist Party going to fight the "new price revolution" in its program? (Note: if you remove the word "control")

I am NOT a supporter of the Communist Party. It's just the only more or less REAL opposition.
It is always necessary to vote for the second one in order to create competition, otherwise the banks will be completely confused.

As far as ideology is concerned, don't look at the name.
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has long turned into a normal social democratic party, without Stalin's excesses.
Lenin introduced NEP, he is a liberal by the standards of this site.

[sleeve]

Then excuse me, I support the position, it is quite rational. About SDPR it is high time to rename. It will be more honest. Socialism is nevertheless closer to communism.

[t-12]

And then the coalition of the rest of the parties

Coalition of whom? Zyuganov, Mironov and Zhirinovsky? Will they vote for any other laws?

[Doctor]

Coalition of whom? Zyuganov, Mironov and Zhirinovsky? Will they vote for any other laws?

Zyuganov will be there. Otherwise, it simply discredits the party. All others are tame.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Arzt

on the prohibition of election campaigning on the Internet
on educational activities

Just very correct laws, they make it possible to put a "stop" to all "foreign agents" and other insane, who have flooded the Internet for a long time

[gurzuf]

What you described, in this situation, is only one of the options. The second, by the type of Ukraine, is the purchase of votes from this coalition when voting on acute social issues. Everything is possible with us, especially against the background of the alliance of the candidate from EP Maksakova and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (!!!!!) Voronenko.

[Konnick]

That is why it is necessary to go to the polls. If more people had gone, the edr would have even fewer seats.

It doesn't matter how they vote, it's important how they count .... Try to check remote voting through government services.

[sleeve]

Which of the counting options is better? And what is the percentage of distance learning in general? How much did it influence? By mail it would be better of course. Still, what does a more or less normal version of the calculation look like? And by the way, how do you calculate now, you probably know the same?

[ximkim]

Quote: Crowe

That is why it is necessary to go to the polls. If more people had gone, the edr would have even fewer seats.

It is necessary to walk, but, the edr has such a touch that it is simply unrealistic for them to gain a small percentage

[Old tanker]

Of course it is necessary to walk, but there really is no sense. As much as necessary, the party in power will draw for itself. At the moment, 37% have already drawn from the initial 49%.

[Infinity]

Quote: t-12

United Russia received only 40%.

Pfft, already 43%, grows with each processed% of votes. Another 1,5 hours was 38% I would not be surprised if we wake up in the morning, and there already all 99% will be

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Infinity

Pfft, already 43%,

The first results of remote voting have appeared. So far without Moscow.

United Russia - 54,25%
Communist Party - 11,65%
Fair Russia - 8,25%
LDPR - 7,86%
New people - 7,66%

[AUL]

Quote: Infinity

I will not be surprised if we wake up in the morning, and there already all 99% will be

We will do as much as necessary! (C)

[tralflot1832]

Don't look at the parties, look at the single-mandate constituencies, United Russia has 186 out of 225.

[akarfoxhound]

And the most interesting thing is that both pensioners and the military did not rush to vote for these "gifts" from these "gifts". I have a very small circle of acquaintances and NOT ONE one for the EP.

[Obliterator]

Quote: akarfoxhound

And the most interesting thing is that both pensioners and the military did not rush to vote for these "gifts" from these "gifts". I have a very small circle of acquaintances and NOT ONE one for the EP.

How they rushed. Young people do not go to the polling stations, but mostly pensioners go and cast votes for EdRo, since there are Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov. So it goes.

[Obstacle]

Putin is not EdRo, no la-la, he has his own organization ...

[akarfoxhound]

Well, I don’t know where you got such confidence, a military unit of almost 900 people, whom you won’t ask - "bad dumb", a courtyard of many Khrushchev five-story buildings, some grandmothers and grandfathers, except for mate for the United Russia - no miracles, but for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation they drown "nepadetski" ! Regional city of Tambov. Chesting - your confidence is a mystery to me ...

[Incvizitor]

They understand that this is just a bribe.

[Svarog]

Quote: t-12

United Russia received only 40%

Total? They should have 2-4% .. this is their real rating .. because it is even difficult to imagine the image of a person, what happens in his head when he votes for EP ..
If the EP gains 40% .. then it will be fine with the leadership .. The Liberal Democratic Party and the SR will give the necessary advantage ..

[Van 16]

"real rating"

We had a survey on the in-plant site, 1300 people were checked in. In short, the EP is 12 percent, the Communist Party is 36 percent, and the candidate won "I'm going to a barbecue." ... Something like that..

[Alanart]

Yes, but 225 seats are allocated according to party lists. Half. And the other 225 are in single-member constituencies. And there, 158 out of 225 were taken by United Russia members Approximately 70%. Total 0,5x40% + 0,5x70% = 55% of seats. So....
And above they wrote that even 186. So with a margin of 60% in total.
Major victory, what to say

[alch3mist]

It just doesn't fit in my head.

"New people" do not fit in my head. There is such a bunch: Zhirik and Zyuga are Mahatma Gandhi compared to them, and Sisyan is an honest person.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Konnick

Litmus test of election integrity is 57% for Mikhail Degtyarev

Does Volodin have more than 70% of the will of the people?
For three days they shoved these lists for "YEDRO" and drove carousels and the crowd with absentee ballots ... The shameful election campaign - the removed head of the PEC in Maikop "I don't know why" threw in 50 ballots for "YEDRO" ... Yes, there is a similar painting...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

Does Volodin have more than 70% of the will of the people?
For three days they shoved these lists for "YEDRO" and drove carousels and the crowd with absentee ballots ... The shameful election campaign - the removed head of the PEC in Maikop "I don't know why" threw in 50 ballots for "YEDRO" ... Yes, there is a similar painting...

That this election is an obvious cynical divorce is understandable.
But why do the people, who have been dunked once again, not be indignant? Here's the question.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Stroporez

But why do the people, who have been dunked once again, not be indignant? Here's the question.

The herd going to slaughter. Zyuganov's image is not an attractive force ... I will see how he fulfills his promises to leave the post of the head of the Communist Party ... It is unlikely that young people will follow the old man weaving at every performance. I am a supporter of Platoshkin, I like Bondarenko, and my son said that he did not trust anyone and did not go to these elections, as I didn’t persuade him. And three acquaintances did not go because there was no one to vote for.
It will be fine if the Communist Party of the Russian Federation gains enough votes to initiate a parliamentary investigation (100 or more deputies).

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

The herd going to slaughter. Zyuganov's image is not an attractive force.

Lost the instinct of self-preservation? I read the comments here .... it's just TIN!
One category came to the elections and, realizing that there was no alternative besides the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, regardless of Zyu, they voted for the Communist Party.
The second also came, but in a confused / swept away mind voted for spoilers.
The third category, majestically angry, remained as extras on the couch in protest, so that later they could say, "Well, I told you so."
The fourth is the servants.
The fifth, who deliberately voted for edro ...... basically "if only it was not worse", "settled under this power", well, there are frankly cynical scoundrels.
It seems that the most disgusting of these categories is the third, lazy-passive, with the exception of ideological bikers.
These "nothing depends on me", you will not bring them to the polling station, or to the rally.
They have already decided that someone should decide something for them, some go to the polling stations, others substitute their backs under the police batons to defend their rights.
Well what can I say ... only one thing, the people have what they deserve.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Stroporez

The fourth is the servants.

Malo mori quam foedari (Better death than dishonor)
Better death in battle than life on your knees ...
You know, I can imagine Nikolai Platoshkin as a fighter, I can imagine Nikolai Bondarenko as a fighter, I could see Alexander Rutskoy as a fighter ... What difficulties was Zyuganov ready for in his life? What did he overcome while at the head of the Communist Party?
Nothing can be hidden from people, from the environment.

[boni592807]

Stroporez (Private Airborne Forces), Today, 05:10, NEW - " ...It seems that the most disgusting of these categories is the third, lazy-passive, with the exception of ideological bikers.
These "nothing depends on me", .... They have already decided that someone should decide something for them, .... Well, what can I say ... only one thing, the people have what they deserve. ... "

September 20, 2021, 15:34 Text: Elizaveta Bulkina - https://vz.ru/news/2021/9/20/1119964.html
"... Turnout in the Duma elections throughout Russia exceeded the indicators of the 2016 election campaign and amounted to 51,68%, said the head of the Central Election Commission of Russia Ella Pamfilova.
“The turnout is 51,68%. It's better than last [election] campaign [of the State Duma deputies], ”she said to TASS. In the 2016 State Duma elections, the turnout was 47,88%.

"The one who does NOTHING to change something is IMPOSSIBLE to help! ..."
Why list something else ...

[Pilat2009]

Meanwhile, Panfilova admitted the facts of ballot stuffing at 8 polling stations. Apparently more experienced people work at the rest.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Pilat2009

Meanwhile, Panfilova admitted the facts of ballot stuffing at 8 polling stations. Apparently more experienced people work at the rest.

And now you can gurgle in her eyes, everything is dew.

[Konnick]

And now you can gurgle in her eyes, everything is dew.

She works on a large scale, and this is so ... for the appearance of "fair elections."

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Konnick

She works on a large scale, and this is so ... for the appearance of "fair elections."

Of course, a dozen plots will be poured, a dozen more will be trolled, and EVERYTHING!
Already at night she otkubuchil that the whole country was revealed and this is inaccurate, "only 120 violations, which means 1,5 per region" - still garbage, this is almost a quote.

[Alanart]

Or maybe the pan signed up as an observer, was present and stopped? Well, at least on your site. No, pan only to potryndet? Well then, the words of Pan are a broken penny. Pan - network beaker;)

[Smoke]

For Degtyarev, yes, I completely agree. Himself in the morning grinned, seeing at that time 54 with a penny%

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Smoke

For Degtyarev, yes, I completely agree. Himself in the morning grinned, seeing at that time 54 with a penny%

How can this be in a protest region?

[Mechanic]

Than Degtyarev did not please you, we all voted for him. Sit there in Moscow and suck on your governors

[Dingo]

Nikolay, at Degtyarev's, you say 57? And this is in KHABAROVSK? Pipeey ... I have a colleague living there - we talk ... 18 in the evening, in the "cart" - "Vit, it's still empty here ... on the 17th some heaps came up in an organized manner - at the exit they scattered one by one ... 18 - the whole day is silence ... stretching one at a time ... ". Further - personal, with comments ... This, like him, bald "zeroed out", even though he understands that he was done "a disservice"? Those who "drew" ... to the bath boy his 57%? Does he want to lose the Far East? Or "donate" it to C's comrade? How did the "worthless" iPhone "give" the water area of ​​the Barents Sea to the Norwegians? I feel that all this will not end well ...

[Mechanic]

Well, well, somewhere who said, the protests have long been blown away

[Mechanic]

Are you from Khabar ?, for the year the attitude towards Degtyarev has changed a lot, he did not chew snot like Fyurgal

[Leha667]

Turnout 35-40%
More than half of the population does not believe that something will change from their voice ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leha667

Turnout 35-40%
More than half of the population does not believe that something will change from their voice ...

Who is there to vote for? Many also voted for the Communist Party not because they like this party, but if only the edros would get fewer votes. For the same reason, I voted for the party of pensioners, although I was sure that nothing would shine for it.

[Region-25.rus]

For the same reason, I voted for the pensioners' party, although I was sure that nothing would shine for it.

they do not shine, but your votes will be given to their sponsors. How in 1996 Zyuga gave his victory to Yobnoo

[awdrgy]

I am a state employee, I had to go .. There were some green ones (for the ideas of Makhno or Antonov you see) In short, I bet for them. Yes, do not care ..

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

I am a state employee, I had to go .. There were some green ones (for the ideas of Makhno or Antonov you see) In short, I bet for them. Yes, do not care ..

Unfortunately, this is not Makhno, this is the worst part of the socialists who dreams of destroying industry for the sake of climate.

[awdrgy]

Is there still an industry? Capitalist? Well, let them fall apart.

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

Is there still an industry? Capitalist? Well, let them fall apart.

In spite of my mother, will I get frostbite on my ears?

[awdrgy]

And if mom is a wolf?

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

And if mom is a wolf?

You can hate the capitalists as much as you want, but apart from them no one really can give jobs in the country. By God, in the provinces, life only in factories, which are privately owned, and keeps. Yes, capitalists, but close these factories now for the screams of eco-shiza, and you will see the final death of the country.

[awdrgy]

Yes, somehow they did without them once ..- nothing like that, there was work. Is it for the screams? And fanaticism ..- It is sometimes in demand, even if the fanatic does not understand why, well, or thinks that he does. And, mind you, they were on the lists (all official).

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

Yes, somehow they did without them once ..- nothing like that, there was work. Is it for the screams? And fanaticism ..- It is sometimes in demand, even if the fanatic does not understand why, well, or thinks that he does. And, mind you, they were on the lists (all official).

Greens will gladly destroy the industry and try to take away from people their vehicles on internal combustion engines just for the sake of "ecology". Moreover, they will promote the LGBT agenda in society. At least that's what they are doing in the West. So if you are not outraged by de-industrialization and perverts, then you can continue to vote for them. For example, they will 100% want to destroy nuclear energy, and this area is one of the few that we have managed not to give up since the times of the Soviet Union.

[awdrgy]

Of course, they will ban, promote, want to, and ... outrage. Destructive power in its purest form. Motivated fanatical. Why not revolutionaries. They will not be able to build the truth, but it will no longer be their task.

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

Of course, they will ban, promote, want to, and ... outrage. Destructive power in its purest form. Motivated fanatical. Why not revolutionaries. They will not be able to build the truth, but it will no longer be their task.

Destroying a country is not difficult. It is also easy to make an animal out of a person. Making a Human is much more difficult. Get the country out of the crisis too. We remember the Bolsheviks with a kind word because they not only destroyed, but also built much more. And I personally do not believe that these will build. And you can run wind turbines somewhere in the tundra without destroying the nuclear power plant. There is no room for them in Europe, but we have enough wind for everyone in the north.

[awdrgy]

Well, you bent it. Why destroy the country? They are not sharpened for this. The Bolsheviks, by the way, did not start building right away. There was a kind of struggle with local excesses and a predetermined (and possibly planned) outcome. The country is in crisis, who can argue. The last 60 years. We must withdraw.

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

Well, you bent it. Why destroy the country? They are not sharpened for this. The Bolsheviks, by the way, did not start building right away. There was a kind of struggle with local excesses and a predetermined (and possibly planned) outcome. The country is in crisis, who can argue. The last 60 years. We must withdraw.

And as I understand your message - a voice to the devil, but not to the capitalists. That is why he was indignant.
The Bolsheviks demolished in order to build later. Yes, their project was a utopia designed for ideal people who have no need for wealth and acquisitiveness, but still they gave more to the world than they took from it. The problem is that the paths out of today's crisis, for example, demographic or cultural, are not visible from the word at all.

[awdrgy]

Why is it not visible? Very much even visible. Rather, not everyone wants to see them. In general, the Bolsheviks showed a lot of interesting things. Note, those who destroyed and were sharpened for destruction. And those who built - for construction. They all had their roles, so to speak.

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

In general, the Bolsheviks showed a lot of interesting things. Note, those who destroyed and were sharpened for destruction. And those who built - for construction. They all had their roles, so to speak.

In the case of the Bolsheviks, those who demolished wanted and were able to raise those who later built. Not without excesses and excesses, of course. Now it seems that there are no problems with construction, but only nobody needs anything.

[awdrgy]

Maybe they wanted to and raised, maybe they raised both of them (this is debatable, but not important). Here you write, no one needs anything. And green is needed. And if I write that justice is in demand in society? Isn't that so?

[Obliterator]

Quote: awdrgy

And if I write that justice is in demand in society? Isn't that so?

Yes so. The problem is that justice is, in principle, elusive and very subjective. The bandits, for example, sincerely believe that they live exclusively by justice, and "we are not like that - this is how life is." That is, justice is just our personal ideas about how the world around should be arranged.

[awdrgy]

Well, judge for yourself. Society has a need, and more than one (not only justice). There are ways out of the crisis (although not everyone wants to see them). There is a motivated part of the population (green), and quite legal, relatively small (which is important) and, most importantly, "smeared" for us (there are all kinds of LGBT people) Of course, you are right when you say that justice is like a double-edged sword. Which end is the right one, or maybe the middle? But she has a measure. For other peoples, it is different, but for the Russian it is growth. Population growth. A measure of justice. In untruth, we die out, we do not see the future. But ensuring the growth of the Russian population is a complex of quite simple and realistic actions. It is these actions that ensure the growth of the measure of justice. Now we have a drop in the Russian population. Hence the demand for justice among the people. And in fact, a request for a set of actions to ensure the growth of the measure of justice.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Kuroneko

Personally, I am outraged that mankind, because of the creatures in power, preferred iPhones to space. To consumerism instead of development.

There is an opinion that it is almost impossible for us to dump from this planet to some more or less similar planet, and therefore there is nothing to strive for. For example, I will not fly to Mars for any price, because there is simply nothing to do there. And it is not a fact that we will be able to get to the nearest earth-like planet at all - the distances in space are too great.

Quote: Kuroneko

What has been done before? All equipment and not even equipment was created as purely maintainable and served for decades. What now? Everyone is trying to do so that it breaks immediately after the expiration of the warranty period. And this despite the fact that the wildest deficit of components is expected in the medium term. For example, the same lithium.

This is all clear. And it is probably understandable to almost everyone. But the problem is that immediate profit looks more attractive than long-term development, that is, "a tit in the hand is better than a pie in the sky." "After us - even a flood" (C), "You die today, and I - tomorrow" (C). Yes, such examples of folk wisdom can also be cited in a carriage and a cart, the main thing is that they reflect the essence of the human community.

[Kuroneko]

Well that's it. Kapitalzm-s. Overconsumption, which will kill us as humanity. Although the Third World War will happen even earlier.
Why do you think the green light was given to feminism and LGBT people? And the general mortification of mass education? The answer is quite simple: Malthusianism, and unwillingness to part with a way of life convenient for the elites. That is why I said that when everyone is on donkeys, the elites will still be with smartphones. They scold the future of mankind, after them even a flood. The problem is that the ball of Dirt is no longer capable of withstanding this humanity with the current population. And from here there are 2 ways: either the Third World War (where we are the most delicious target, for the sea of ​​not developed resources and territories), or the general peaceful exploration of space by the force of all countries. That in the current situation, a complete utopia, especially after the US statement about space objects.
So ... there will be a war.

[El Chuvachino]

Or a hypothetical already worked out "Covid-25-30-50"

[Kuroneko]

Dump and do not. With the harmonious development of space technologies, we would be able to live for many centuries on the old Earth, collecting the necessary nishtyaks from the system. And - peacefully. But this requires the joint efforts of all countries, and not without five minutes of the 3rd World War. = _ =
Capitalism is destructive for the planet, because all its interests are here and right now, it doesn't give a damn about the future. Even a flood! We already have a feast during the plague, and humanity is in real danger of being late for the space train. After all, Angry Birds in a smartphone is always at hand. Which is much nicer than at least mastering the moon.
Here it would be necessary to fill in a sea of ​​letters about the supposedly green energy, but I don't want to laugh at any wretched Greta Thunbergs. And it is useless for believing adepts to explain the laws of physics and chemistry, especially since they are skipping school.

PS By the way, what else can save the Earth - the space elevator. And our technology has almost grown to its implementation.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Kuroneko

By the way, what else can save the Earth - the space elevator.

How so?

[Machito]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Quote: Kuroneko

By the way, what else can save the Earth - the space elevator.

How so?

Send EdRo into space in an elevator.

[Kuroneko]

So far, yes. We are witnessing the convulsions of capitalism, which cannot live and develop without new markets, and the free prairies are almost over. What, then, are the capitalists doing? That's right, the markets are reset by a world war. And believe me, she WILL. Preparations are in full swing.

[Plate]

What global trends / events can be interpreted as preparation for a world war?

[Squelcher]

If Mom is a wolf, I will love her, and I will be a wolf and not a rat.

[awdrgy]

Ivan the Terrible did not think so. I consider his opinion more authoritative.

[Karabin]

Quote: awdrgy

I am a state employee, I had to go.

I am also a state employee, but I did not go, although I was very persistently forced. Moreover, it is mandatory to vote on Friday. Tomorrow I'll get rid of the authorities.

[awdrgy]

I sympathize. Did you put the straws on the bed or on the shrubbery? I did it at the presidential ones. But there I had a straw. Although it was fun, in fact, it cost with angry looks, hints and an uncomfortable schedule.

[Karabin]

On gu-ha. Better to die standing than live on your knees.

[awdrgy]

Unfortunately, they won't play with you for garlic. This will not give a result (if only moral self-satisfaction). But everyone makes a decision for himself.

[Plate]

Better to die standing than live on your knees.

Excuse me, does going to the polls mean kneeling in front of someone?

[ZAV69]

Quote: Karabin

Tomorrow I'll get rid of the authorities.

So how ? In principle, now no one is interesting to anyone. The elections have already passed

[Doctor]

Who is there to vote for? Many also voted for the Communist Party not because they like this party, but if only the edros would get fewer votes. For the same reason, I voted for the party of pensioners, although I was sure that nothing would shine for it.

In vain. They threw votes to EDRu.

The votes of those parties that do not qualify for the State Duma are distributed proportionally between those who passed.
For example, in 2016, 10 parties that did not pass the 5% threshold freed up 11,2% of the votes.
As a result, after their proportional division, United Russia received 16 additional mandates (in total, the party received 140 seats on the lists), the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 4 mandates (35 in total), the Liberal Democratic Party - also 4 (34 in total), Spravossi - 2 (16 in total).

You must always vote for the second, so that there is no absolute majority.

In the end, there will be 2 parties left, as almost everywhere else.

[alexmach]

In vain. They threw votes to EDRu.

Not in vain.

The votes of those parties that do not qualify for the State Duma are distributed proportionally between those who passed

This is a weird clever logic that hurts instead of helping. At the elections you are asked "who do you support" this question and you have to answer. And not to vote "against" someone.

[Doctor]

This is a weird clever logic that hurts instead of helping. At the elections you are asked "who do you support" this question and you have to answer. And not to vote "against" someone.

It is strange to vote for a pseudo-party, knowing in advance that it will not get into the State Duma.

And without having studied the electoral legislation, toss votes to the opponents of your vote.

[alexmach]

It is strange to vote for a pseudo-party, knowing in advance that it will not get into the State Duma.

And who is not your pseudo-party there? are there such?
If you really know everything beforehand, then why are you voting, just win the jackpot in the lottery once a week.

And without having studied the electoral legislation, toss votes to the opponents of your vote. winked

Opponents of your vote? Did you subtract this formulation while studying the legislation? I say, no need to over-philosophize

[Doctor]

And who is not your pseudo-party there? are there such?
If you really know everything beforehand, then why are you voting, just win the jackpot in the lottery once a week.

Communist Party. The only ones still fluttering.
http://www.kprf-kaliningrad.ru/2021/07/kak-golosovali-parlamentskie-partii-po-poslednim-rezonansnym-zakonam-suhaja-statistika.html

Opponents of your vote? Did you subtract this formulation while studying the legislation? I say, no need to over-philosophize

As I tell you, the votes of all parties that have not received 5% will be distributed among the rest, in proportion to the percentages they have collected.
Therefore, most of the EP will receive.

[alexmach]

I'm telling you

You are asked about whom you support, and you tell how the "other" voices are divided. As a result, you vote for anyone, answering the question "I vote against", but the question was "for whom" and not "against whom." A classic example of Uraine. There they vote exclusively against. I maєmo that scho maєmo (tm).

Communist Party. The only ones still fluttering

Something they began to flutter when nothing depended on their fluttering. But in times when it depended - clearly stood at attention. This is understandable. In the "holy nineties" for this and could be slammed.

[Doctor]

You are asked about whom you support, and you tell how the "other" voices are divided. As a result, you vote for anyone, answering the question "I vote against", but the question was "for whom" and not "against whom." A classic example of Uraine. There they vote exclusively against. I maєmo that scho maєmo (tm).

I answered, always for number 2. Regardless of political slogans.
It is necessary to create competition, otherwise they will create chaos.

[alexmach]

always for # 2. Regardless of political slogans

Well, you just blindly give your vote to useless parasites stuck to the electoral system. You just need to make a reservation that if you have a better choice - I don't know :)

[awdrgy]

And if there is no one?

[alexmach]

And if there is no one?

Well, it seems like the answer is obvious? In the end, spoil your newsletter.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Arzt

You must always vote for the second, so that there is no absolute majority.

It is a pity that many have not yet understood this. Not because of their great love for Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but against the disgusted "EdRa" many voted.

[Crowe]

Quote: Piramidon

Who is there to vote for?

According to the latest statistics, ten percent of the deputies are homosexuals, and according to opinion polls, one hundred percent.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Crowe

According to the latest statistics, ten percent of the deputies are homosexuals, and according to opinion polls, one hundred percent.

Why !!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Crowe

... ten percent of MPs are homosexual ...

As a result of the elections, there are already more than forty.

Quote: Crowe

and according to public opinion polls ...

... they are called a less respectable word ...

[tralflot1832]

Yes, with such a candidate like ours. Age 24 years old, householder. The party of pensioners is definitely not shining.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Piramidon

For the same reason, I voted for the pensioners' party, although I was sure that nothing would shine for it.

You voted for the party with the highest percentage ...

[Cron]

Quote: Leha667

Turnout 35-40%
More than half of the population does not believe that something will change from their voice ...

Where does the information about 35-40% come from? I googled and at 18:00 it was already 45%. Maybe there is more recent data. Is that the point in lying?
In France, 65% did not participate. This is the lowest voter turnout in the country's history. The rulers have one vision of the situation, the opposition has a different one. As you like, actually. As in your case.

[bobba94]

The current 116 US Congress (House of Representatives and Senate) was elected in November 2018. The voter turnout in the elections was 50,3% ....

[hagen]

Quote: Leha667

More than half of the population does not believe

Doesn't he sure? There are no other versions? For example - "all do not care and so will roll" or "just, laziness"?

[awdrgy]

Those who live well believe. Those who are bad, no. What kind of "laziness" and "roll" in the market? Who thought so died out 20 years ago. Exceptions may have remained in places, but not critical. Faith in the future is population growth, not electoral turnout, although it can also be drawn if desired. And it does not even exist, apparently, with the efforts of those who do not live badly.

[hagen]

Quote: awdrgy

Who thought so died out 20 years ago.

Is there a sociology? Or do you think so? I will say more. Laziness, as a character trait, is considered a reprehensible trait in public opinion, and not everyone admits to having it, especially when asked by a stranger. But we all know perfectly well that we have it, and in some cases it dominates. With indifference, it's about the same story. Therefore, I would not begin to talk about the "non-criticality" of these reasons without serious research.

Quote: awdrgy

Faith in the future is population growth, not electoral turnout

Voter turnout is more a sense of responsibility for the future than a belief in anything. Rather, it is the awareness of the turbidity of the prospects that compels political activity. And with the growth of the population, everything is much more complicated. We are sliding more and more into a "consumer society". And in the first place we put study, career growth, the construction of material well-being in our family. And children in any case, especially in the years of youth and thirst for sharp adventures, significantly reduce our potential. And it’s more likely that this is what more hits the growth of the population. After all, you won't say that in Afghanistan or Mali, for example, there is more faith in the future than in Russia, or in Austria?

[hagen]

Quote: awdrgy

What kind of "laziness" and "roll" in the market?

I decided to follow up on asking you a question: according to the CEC, the turnout at PECs was 47,71%, and in those commissions where electronic voting was carried out on the Internet - 98,12%. Why do you think there was such a difference in the activity of citizens? Sitting at the monitor, filled with faith in democracy, or did that factor play, the whole procedure took 2-3 minutes with a smoke break and you don't even have to wear your pants? This is not a study, but having thought about it, you come to conclusions in favor of the presence of laziness in a person, first of all ... Try to refute it.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: awdrgy

What kind of "laziness" and "roll" in the market?

I decided to follow up on asking you a question: according to the CEC, the turnout at PECs was 47,71%, and in those commissions where electronic voting was carried out on the Internet - 98,12%. Why do you think there was such a difference in the activity of citizens? Sitting at the monitor, filled with faith in democracy, or did that factor play, the whole procedure took 2-3 minutes with a smoke break and you don't even have to wear your pants? This is not a study, but having thought about it, you come to conclusions in favor of the presence of laziness in a person, first of all ... Try to refute it.

Naturally, if I have the opportunity to vote from home, I will do so. It may be raining, sleet, icy outside ... I can finally sit in the village.

[Karabin]

Quote: Leha667

More than half of the population does not believe that something will change from their voice ...

There is no struggle for power, there is no interest of the population either. What's the difference in such a situation, whose ass, citizen A or B, will sit in the deputy chair.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Karabin

There is no struggle for power, and there is no interest of the population either.

"- This puzzle will be difficult to solve! - said Sinitsky, walking around the dining room. - You will have to sit over him, Alexander Ivanovich.

“We'll have to, we'll have to,” replied Koreiko with a grin, “but the goose is embarrassing me. Why such a goose? A-ah-ah. There is. Ready. "Will you gain your right in the struggle?"

- Yes, - the old man drawled in disappointment, - how did you guess so quickly? Abilities are great! A person of the first category is immediately visible.

“Second grade,” Koreiko corrected. - And why did you cook this rebus? For print?

- For print.

“And it’s in vain,” said Koreiko, glancing with curiosity at the borsch, in which the gold medals of fat were floating. There was something deserved in this borscht, something non-commissioned officer. - "In the struggle you will acquire your right" - this is the Socialist-Revolutionary slogan. Not suitable for printing. "

[Bashkirkhan]

The main thing for United Russia is not to draw more than 80% by the morning, otherwise Lukashenko drew himself at the elections, and then ran around the residence with a gun.

[Cron]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The main thing for United Russia is not to draw more than 80% by the morning, otherwise Lukashenko drew himself at the elections, and then ran around the residence with a gun.

Bashkirkhan again threatens without getting up from the sofa

[Kuroneko]

One figs tomorrow howl and squeal will be all over the world on all sorts of non-permissive media.
You can consider me a wang.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kuroneko

One figs tomorrow howl and squeal will be all over the world on all sorts of non-permissive media.

Ok ... How do you comment on this:

[Kuroneko]

Petrov and Boshirov. Even natural disasters in the United States cannot be
managed, alas. Therefore, the beacon of democracy had to, democratically gritting his teeth, order Russian totalitarian oil.

[Region-25.rus]

minus players! Have you earned some money from the EP? Or have they thrown you?

[Region-25.rus]

except for the minuses, arguments will be?))) Olgovich, Shpakovsky and others like you! Well, will there be something in essence? If I were a member (thus) I would not pay you stupidly for cons))))

[The leader of the Redskins]

May they have no arguments ...
"Waste" passed and "Oh, what unexpected results!"
I do not hide the fact that for seven years I have not gone to any sites. Useless.

[Region-25.rus]

May they have no arguments ...

Well, the question was purely rhetorical))) Here, even dipping a brush in will not save. For it is obvious))) In the Kirovsky district of St. Petersburg, 90% of the banners are for "edro", and people walk around and spit at their feet. For, like the famous blogger "dandelion" is written on the T-shirt - "it was-zae".

[paul3390]

O! Countryman! I'm from Veterans .. I also noticed that the EP ads were like flies on, uh-uh, a well-known substance ..

[Barberry25]

and we have half of the city in the communists ... and they started to paint on the asphalt ...

[Region-25.rus]

O! Countryman! I'm from Veterans ..

Well, I've only been in St. Petersburg for six years))) Come in large numbers, so to speak)) "Limit for Hanaia"

[Kuroneko]

It's just that it's too dangerous to fight with United Russia in the State Duma at meetings - there are too many athletes among its deputies. Even Zhirik is no longer at risk.
Straighten the balance of power.

[paul3390]

too many athletes among its deputies

We would have delegated to the Duma a company of riot police in full combat - it would have been even smarter .. And they have the same legislative sense ..

[Kuroneko]

In fairness, Valuev is a couple of orders of magnitude more intelligent than Klitschko.
And he even knows how to speak coherently, to understand which it is not necessary to be under substances. True, this is where his role as a deputy ends.

[ANB]

... In fairness, Valuev is a couple of orders of magnitude more intelligent than Klitschko.

Uncle Kolya in Good night kids.
And nothing, mine is normal. By the way, I also accepted it normally in this capacity.

[for]

Quote: paul3390

OMON company

Not fashionable, the Russian Guard.

[faterdom]

On the street there are big billboards from edra. They threw an apple into the box from the Social Revolutionaries. Avtovo. I voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, because I consider Siluan's budgets with half of the income hidden as evil for the country, and if Zyuganov could turn it back, it would be interesting. In our country, there is a question of questions: half of the income has been officially hidden from the people for many years "to stabilize the ruble exchange rate and pay pensions in difficult circumstances" to all kinds of funds.

[hagen]

Quote: faterdom

Voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, because I consider Siluan's budgets with half of their income hidden as evil for the country

And what, the communists promised to pour the stolen "party gold" into the budget? Or was it not the communist Zyuganov who leaked the second round of elections in 96 to Boris? The mere fact that the Communist Party sang with Navalny, and he was actively campaigning for the Communists at the UG, suggests that there are no "Stalinist People's Commissars" for Zyu. But the money of Western sponsors in the piggy bank of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation thus got. These communists today are the same bourgeois as those who were drowning for the "new ..." from TV. Zu rubbed everyone here about people's enterprises, and he himself moved a figure with 47% of the shares of his enterprise. As they say, I lied to the fullest already at the start ...

[Kuroneko]

I voted for Zhirik in 96. The reason is purely pragmatic: if it doesn't feed, it will at least make you laugh. The rest could not do that either.

[Doctor]

I voted for Zhirik in 96. The reason is purely pragmatic: if it doesn't feed, it will at least make you laugh. The rest could not do that either.

Consider voted for Yeltsin.

Zhirik only shows off to the public. On serious issues, he is loyal to the current government.
For example, he kept silent on the pension reform.

Unlike the Communist Party.

[Kuroneko]

And do not care. As I say, no one will feed. And so at least it's more fun to live.
And Zyugandel, too, is that creature that still betrays the covenants of communism.

[Doctor]

And Zyugandel, too, is that creature that still betrays the covenants of communism.

The Communist Party just returned to basics.
And it became a normal Social Democratic party, without extremes in the form of hanging priests, common wives and the military construction of communism throughout the world.

In principle, it is already possible to return the party to its original name, as the founder called it - the RSDLP.

[Kuroneko]

Are bangs, mustaches and burning of books (and not only books) also included?

[Doctor]

Are bangs, mustaches and burning of books (and not only books) also included?

RSDLP - Russian Social Democratic Labor Party.
Where did you see Ilyich's bangs?

[Kuroneko]

And what kind of "New People"? Personally, I xs who they are.
And I think that I am not alone in my bewilderment.

[Doctor]

And what kind of "New People"? Personally, I xs who they are.
And I think that I am not alone in my bewilderment.

The same EDRO, side view.

The chief of the party is Alexei Nechaev, a cosmetics dealer (Faberlic), a member of the Central Council of the All-Russian Popular Front, recognized on the initiative of the VVP.

The task is to refresh the political landscape, create the appearance of a multi-party system and draw off the voices of those who are disillusioned with everyone else.

If they go to the State Duma, they will vote as EDRO.
So far it turns out - 6,6%.

[Kuroneko]

So far it turns out - 6,6%.

Cheat bots? For I am sure that they heard about this garbage even less than about the Oval.
Well, in general, I am against the so-called democracy. Here, too, Rozanov predicted everything a long time ago:

“Democracy is a way by which a well-organized minority rules an unorganized majority.” - Vasily Vasilyevich Rozanov

And temporary replacements are the most convenient form of their control for world capital.

[minus]

All networkers and Faberlik voted and campaigned for him. We were engaged in agitation for half a year)

[Kuroneko]

We have Misha-Baton (a klikuha in narrow but influential circles), according to rumors, he did approximately the same thing with at least all employees of his enterprises (if you do not vote for the owner, he is fired). Well, he also bribed leftist people with free buckwheat porridge. And this is already 146℅ fact.

[Doctor]

All networkers and Faberlik voted and campaigned for him. We were engaged in agitation for half a year)

There it is. And I think, where did he come from so much rubbish. Well done political strategists.

[for]

Quote: Arzt

Consider voted for Yeltsin.

And you are considered an ep.

[Doctor]

And you are considered an ep.

I always vote for the second most popular. Regardless of political views.

It is necessary to create competition, at least in parliament.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Cron]

Quote: Region-25.rus

except for the minuses, arguments will be?)))

You ask questions, but you demand arguments. Where is the logic here? Maybe you need some answers?

[Region-25.rus]

You ask questions, but you demand arguments.

I demand the argumentation of a negative opinion! Those. cons! Can you read at all? I think as a "guardian" - NO!

[Cron]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I demand the argumentation of a negative opinion! Those. cons! Can you read at all? I think as a "guardian" - NO!

Well? You asked yourself:

except for the minuses, arguments will be?)))

In addition to cons, you require arguments. Are you tight with the Russian? So what kind of arguments do you want for the questions you raised?
Then you had to ask the question as follows: Can you argue for the set minus?
To which you might be told that this grade was given due to the fact that you asked frankly stupid questions.

[Region-25.rus]

then you asked frankly stupid questions.

is it purely your opinion? Will you order you to be accepted as a standard of "stupidity" or the adequacy of opinions? Doesn't the crown press? Or "is your opinion wrong"?

[Cron]

Quote: Region-25.rus

is it purely your opinion? Will you order you to be accepted as a standard of "stupidity" or the adequacy of opinions? Doesn't the crown press? Or "is your opinion wrong"?

I wrote: "possible". That is, you could theoretically get such an answer.

[Region-25.rus]

That is, you could theoretically get such an answer.

"Theory without practice is dead!" and I don't care about theory if there is no practice. And there is NO practice (argumentation).

[Cron]

Quote: Region-25.rus

"Theory without practice is dead!" and I don't care about theory if there is no practice. And there is NO practice (argumentation).

Well, first, learn to ask the right questions. Then, again, perhaps you will receive the arguments you need.

[hagen]

Quote: Region-25.rus

"Theory without practice is dead!" and I don't care about theory if there is no practice. And there is NO practice (argumentation).

And when you declared all those who disagree with you to be the recipients and workers of the "bubble from the United Russia", what practice were you guided by? Did you get the money yourself? Or have you got a cash statement somewhere and can you show it? I now think that you are just a balabol, illiterate and aggressive ... This is my version, formed on the basis of your comments, contradicting themselves ... Sorry, nothing personal ...

[Tank hard]

We didn’t even go with our family, and so it’s clear who will win. For those who now say that our voice would change something, I will answer like this - there are a lot of forms ... Just look at the official statistics, how many, in their opinion, came? And how many were in real life? So this and that ...

[paul3390]

When I came in the evening, the site was empty. Yes, and I would not have flogged, because I consider all this to be a real booth with an obvious result. But - so my party decided. I don’t know what they were guided by .. Okay - it won’t get any worse from me.

[Tank hard]

Quote: paul3390

Yes, and I would not have flogged, because I consider all this to be a real booth with an obvious result.

The video is already 6 days old, but in many ways I agree with him. Sad fact. ((

[AUL]

Quote: Tank Hard

The video is already 6 days old, but in many ways I agree with him.

What was that? In the frame, a big-faced man with a gray beard and a teenager's outfit, in a baseball cap on one side, scolded Zyuganov (albeit reasonably). I thought he was about to start rapping! But he did not rap, but began to tell how he could not register his party. But what - I did not understand. I listened to the roofing felts, or he did not speak. As he did not say about the program of this mysterious party ...

[Tank hard]

Quote from AUL

What was that?

And you don't need it ...))

[Barberry25]

and who goes to the polls on Sunday evening? usually woke up in the morning, had breakfast and around 11-14 o'clock go to the polls - in the evening only those who work on Sunday,

[paul3390]

And I went yesterday, at 17 o'clock.

[Barberry25]

oh horror .. one whole person .. and today at 12 o'clock and there were 10 people on the site - even a queue was formed ...?

[Cron]

Quote: paul3390

But - so my party decided.

Someone commands you?

[paul3390]

And you? As a faithful zaputinist?

In general - I have always believed that if a person is in a community, he should obey the decision of the majority of this community, no? Otherwise - what the hell is he in it then?

[Cron]

And you? As a faithful zaputinist?

Somehow too casually and without arguments

Quote: paul3390

In general - I have always believed that if a person is in a community, he should obey the decision of the majority of this community, no?

I don’t understand what you mean. I thought I had to obey the law

Otherwise - what the hell is he in it then?

Here you decide for yourself what is the meaning of your stay there. And you won't fall into the sect so accidentally, with such and such views

[paul3390]

A person is recognized by his writings on the forum ..

In addition to the law, there is also a normal human community. And it also has the same rules.

Yes, the stump is clear - I won't ask you for sure ..

[Cron]

Quote: paul3390

A person is known by his writings on the forum .. wink

The one who whines less is the "confused"? Then it's a compliment

In addition to the law, there is also a normal human community. And it also has the same rules.

Well, it shouldn't be, it just might.

Yes, the stump is clear - I won't ask you for sure ..

This is logical.
But before you obey, I would advise you to ask at least something.

[Crowe]

I voted for those who voted against the pension reform.

with obvious result.

No, now it will not be so easy for them to push through anti-national laws - that majority is gone.

United Russia may well need a coalition with one of the parliamentary parties.

I wonder who will dare to publicly plunge into this coalition in front of the entire people.

[Doctor]

We didn’t even go with our family, and so it’s clear who will win. For those who now say that our voice would change something, I will answer like this - there are a lot of forms ... Just look at the official statistics, how many, in their opinion, came? And how many were in real life? So this and that ...

To no avail.
Those who have not come are easier to throw in. They already know passports, no one checks the signatures.
Those who came - only spoil the newsletter.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Arzt

Well, pretty much.
Those who have not come are easier to throw in. They already know passports, no one checks the signatures.
Those who came - only spoil the newsletter

Yes, everything is useless. Why? I answered this question earlier ...

[Doctor]

Yes, everything is useless. Why? I answered this question earlier ...

This thought is also being introduced into our consciousness.

For the same reason - it is easier to throw in those who did not come.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Arzt

This thought is also being introduced into our consciousness.

The non-comers are easier to throw in.

How far you are from life and elective cuisine.))))

[Doctor]

How far you are from life and elective cuisine.))))

On the contrary.
I'm in it.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Arzt

On the contrary.
I'm in it.

Then you should know how everything happens.)) But I think that you are very far away.)))

[Tank hard]

The minuses that you threw at me only indicate that you absolutely do not understand how United Russia wins at polling stations. You still believe in turnout and parties)) Yes, you are being dodged for "twenty ruble".)))

[Doctor]

The minuses that you threw at me only indicate that you absolutely do not understand how United Russia wins at polling stations. You still believe in turnout and parties)) Yes, you are being dodged for "twenty ruble".)))

Personally, I didn’t minus you. If this is important to you, I will say no problem.
I'll make a stuffing.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Arzt

Personally, I didn’t minus you. If this is important to you, I will say no problem.
I will throw in

The final is important. That is why I am pouring some water against the wind.)) I will exchange pleasantries with you, I will neglect you. after all, all this does not matter to you))

[Kuroneko]

Sorry, do I understand correctly that the pocket is important to you? Any random pluses and minuses? I wish I could live this way so that I only bother with this ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kuroneko

Sorry, do I understand correctly that the pocket is important to you?

the second will have to repeat the answer ...

Quote: Tank Hard

The final is important. That's why i'm here I pour some water against the wind.))

[Kuroneko]

It's a pity. In theory, VO once tried to cancel the karmochka at all. And to this day, her recruitment has been greatly complicated.
Poor fellow, how can you survive without healing plus signs?
And what will the highest rank give you? Finished the game?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kuroneko

Poor fellow, how can you survive without healing gifts?

I complain to my mom every day. sometimes I cry.))

Quote: Kuroneko

And what will the highest rank give you?

I want to be like Sylvester!))

Quote: Kuroneko

Finished the game?

Are you in a thrown or a sec?))

[Kuroneko]

In Go. I can also play chess.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kuroneko

In Go. I can also play chess.

Do you have deeper brain folds than chimpanzees?

[Doctor]

Sorry, do I understand correctly that the pocket is important to you? Any random pluses and minuses? I wish I could live this way so that I only bother with this ...

This is a comrade who inspires hopelessness with a specialist. Like, everything is a foregone conclusion. This is his task.

But we know that - we must believe!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Arzt

This is a comrade,

Well, from what side are we comrades? This is not true.))

Quote: Arzt

This is his task.

It is always interesting to read an opinion about yourself. Someone constantly thinks that he knows more about me than myself.))

Quote: Arzt

But we know that - we must believe!

The fact is that your faith is different.)) You have to believe.
Shl I put the minus.))

[Kuroneko]

"If you are not in politics, politics is in you anyway."

[Svarog]

Quote: Arzt

This thought is also being introduced into our consciousness.

For the same reason - it is easier to throw in those who did not come.

The reason is that the power will never be surrendered by the results of the elections .. it's easier to forge them.
Although I, perfectly aware of this, still voted ..

[Doctor]

The reason is that the power will never be surrendered by the results of the elections .. it's easier to forge them.
Although I, perfectly aware of this, still voted ..

"Never say never." It is not easy to fake on a large scale.

And you have to vote. Not for them, for myself.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Svarog

The reason is that the power will never be surrendered by the results of the elections .. it's easier to forge them.

It makes no sense to explain, they do not want to think ...

Quote: Svarog

Although I, perfectly aware of this, still voted ..

Force of habit)) It won't help. For a long time...

[paul3390]

Come on - do you really think that voices are falsified - at the grassroots level ?? Look - "Since 1995, the CEC of Russia has 15 members, of which 5 are appointed by the President of Russia, 5 by the Federation Council, and 5 by the State Duma."What else is needed, what to understand in whose interests this sharaga acts? Whoever appoints - he rules ..

In general - a cool thing. Votes counts the gopa, which - no one chose .. And stupidly appointed from above. What other doubts can there be?

[Pandiurin]

Obviously these are "absolute" percentages. There is also interest for parties that do not pass the threshold. Accordingly, their votes will be distributed among those who overcome the threshold.
If the parties that do not pass a total of 10%, then the EP with their 40+ percent will rise to 44+.

But this is only for the deputy seats that are on party lists. For one-tonnage, most likely other layouts for parties.

Of course, 14% of processed ballots are still not enough, let's wait ...

[rocket757]

Losses of United Russia, acquisitions of the Communist Party and New People: preliminary data on the results of elections to the State Duma

... And what is the request of the citizens of the country who voted and what else are they expecting from the elections?
Yes, who at least somehow personifies this request?
It is unlikely that the elections provide an answer to such a question ...

[paul3390]

Someone doubted the type of victory for the EP ??? Or did someone think that they would allow them to really deprive themselves of their loved ones of the majority? Any bourgeois election, especially in our spiritually strong country, is a hollow fiction. Designed to distract people from the real struggle for a better life with its booth.

Take a look around - do you have a lot of people among your acquaintances who actually voted for the EP? And you know - almost all of them do so .. Hence the sad conclusions ..

In what other country, for example, would direct bribery of voters on the eve of an election type be considered normal? And we didn’t - it worked with a bang, no one even made a sound.

[Tank hard]

Quote: paul3390

In what other country, for example, would direct bribery of voters on the eve of an election type be considered normal? And we didn’t - it worked with a bang, no one even made a sound.

Yes, everywhere the same thing, even here, even in the USA ...

[Vadim237]

It's just that those who were against the EP, as always, stayed at home and did not vote even on an online turnout of 40-50% throughout the country as a whole.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Vadim237

It's just that those who were against the EP, as always, stayed at home and did not vote even on an online turnout of 40-50% throughout the country as a whole.

People simply don’t believe the electoral system, I also missed the last few elections (since vote, don’t vote, you will still get ... EP). And he went to these elections and voted for the communists, and what has changed? Already now, at the time of processing 60% of the votes, it is clear that they have drawn the desired result, i.e. I have a lot of questions about the delay in electronic voting, the extension of voting for 3 days, the ballot stuffing (for a well-known party) .... and after that do I believe in fair elections? definitely not, there will be elections in Germany this month, and there really is competition and an unpredictable result, but we have a choice without a choice ... the country is stagnant, prices for everything are growing, living conditions are deteriorating, the retirement age has been raised, and ratings the ruling party have not changed, miracles (c)

[Vadim237]

We get elections without a choice - because most of those who are against United Russia simply do not go to the polls. There is stagnation in the country - this stagnation in the form of economic growth of 2-3% per year will remain so for a long time, this is done primarily by external sanctions, and whoever you vote for, they will not do anything, living conditions do not worsen, remain as they are, but at the same time improving slowly not everywhere.

[Obliterator]

Quote: paul3390

Someone doubted the type of victory for the EP ??? Or did someone think that they would allow them to really deprive themselves of their loved ones of the majority? Any bourgeois election, especially in our spiritually strong country, is a hollow fiction. Designed to distract people from the real struggle for a better life with its booth.

Take a look around - do you have a lot of people among your acquaintances who actually voted for the EP? And you know - almost all of them do so .. Hence the sad conclusions ..

In what other country, for example, would direct bribery of voters on the eve of an election type be considered normal? And we didn’t - it worked with a bang, no one even made a sound.

I've never doubted the victory of EdRa after the first day. I was at the polling station, I saw what kind of people come to the polls, and what people were not there, I looked at the ballots in the ballot box that I could see. Well, just for fun. So after all these observations, and even the field of conversations with PEC members, I understand why EdRo gets its earned victory. Only pensioners come to the polling stations, there are very few young people and middle-aged people - they are either at work or do not come from principle. and so it’s just pensioners who give EdRo its votes - after all, they love Putin, Lavrov and Shoigu. And who does not love them - he almost does not go to the polls. So it goes.

[Simfy]

I am from Crimea, except for the United Russia party to vote, for me this is a return to Ukraine, but according to the list from Crimea, Chernyak ... sorry there is no column "against" ... this person would know his attitude towards himself ... but unfortunately there are no alternatives. . voted not for the party ... but for the Leader

[Crowe]

Only one candidate can beat the candidate Against All. This is a candidate for All the deaths.

[Machito]

Quote: Crowe

Only one candidate can beat the candidate Against All. This is a candidate for All the deaths.

Bravo. Brilliant. Without clinking glasses.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Simfy

I'm from Crimea, except for EP to vote, for me this is a return to Ukraine,

We do not have parties that would raise the issue of severing Crimea from Russia.
Crimea is Russia, there can be no other options.

[Kuroneko]

And who, besides Ksyushadi or Ovalny, wanted to give Crimea back to nenke? I'm just curious. Moreover, not a single party from the State Duma even dreamed of such a thing.

[El Chuvachino]

Apple doesn't seem to recognize the type.

[Simfy]

Officially, no one ... But the consequences of the change of power, collapse, will eventually lead to

[URAL72]

With whom to build a coalition? With the Liberal Democratic Party of course. They have been in the wake of the EP for a long time. Yes, the EP was not childish, raising the retirement age. I personally do not mind raising the bar for women under 60 - they live longer and work less than men, some do not work at all. But men do not all live up to 65 years old.

[t-12]

raising the retirement age

And what to do? There are few young people, many work for cash (and do not pay taxes). There is little industry, only the oil industry is saving (but it is also a little).

There are two options: either raise the retirement age and pay a small number of pensioners more or less acceptable pensions; or leave it as it is and pay the large number of retirees a little at a time.

The third option is to get off the oil needle and develop the country, but who cares?

[Charik]

oil, yes, but electricity and gas and a lot of other things, they ate everything and did not choke

[paul3390]

What to do?

Maybe - steal less? And to spend government money on all sorts of Olympiads with championships? So, for a start? You look - and in retirement it will be scraped up little by little ...

[Kuroneko]

Kudrin said everything correctly about this.

[aleks700]

Kill existing retirees

[Kuroneko]

Things will be different now. Strong and independent are in trend. So let them work in mines, gouging ore, in oil and gas wells, and in general where it is not very possible to post a spectacular photo on Instagram.
Bathroom influx of the sea of ​​strong independent women for these vacancies.

[fif21]

Let's conduct our survey. Who is for the EP, leave me a minus.

[Tank hard]

Quote: fif21

Let's conduct our survey. Who is for the EP - leave me a minus

A good way to raise your rating.))

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Tank Hard

A good way to raise your rating.))

And what, so it was possible ..?

[Tank hard]

Quote: LiSiCyn

And what, so it was possible ..?

Well, in theory, most of them should be a plus.)) He's in the black right now, isn't he?)))

[Alexander Korneevets]

I voted for EP, and I also know people like me.

[Kuroneko]

I know too. For example, Valuev and Volochkova. This was immediately recalled with the letter V.

[paul3390]

I voted for EP

The first comment - and such an obscene confession .. I feel - they will not appreciate you here ..

[Alexander Korneevets]

And I don’t need your rating. I wrote this because not everyone is against EP. My choice, I do not impose it.

[savage1976]

I support. He also voted for them.

[Incvizitor]

What did you put on him cons? His business for whom to vote, I did not vote for them, but I did not dissuade those who vote either.

[Charik]

jesters in the deck are reshaped, I saw a couple of pre-election videos of Zhirik, in my opinion: STOPHAM and similar social movements and personal initiatives supported by donations from ordinary citizens, and that is better filmed and edited

[Kuroneko]

Zhirik is a political genius, to be sure. It is generally worth writing a separate series of articles about him. All the more so because initially he was not eager to get into politics (because dad is a lawyer, and only mom is Russian).

[Ovsigovets]

I look at the "circus" entot and in my head a money cap a cap a cap a cap ... it is high time to switch to a two-party system ... the "even" party and the "odd" party ....... 4 ballots. ... 15 games in the State Duma ..... all "government paper" which also costs money .... all for the sake of "dancing with tambourines"

[Karabin]

In Russia, a three-day voting for the elections to the State Duma has been completed.

The case is small - to calculate correctly, according to the previously approved plan and quotas.

[Kuroneko]

Non-Lesbian Disabled but Pasaran!

Fortunately, we have slightly different quotas. Bye.

[DED_peer_DED]

Elections to the Duma are the only ones where the principle of election can work out.
The question is, what does this change in the course?
It's nothing.
Therefore, it is possible, like to elect from 146% of voters.

[Kuroneko]

Better to start by saying that honest democracy is generally a myth.
Perhaps its highest manifestation was the Polish Seims of the times of the Commonwealth, which ultimately threatened the under-empire of the Pshek. And again, even then, only the gentry had the right to vote and veto.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: t-12

gifts to the military and pensioners

They (Edinosos) scoffed at the pensioners, throwing them, like a hungry dog, 10t.r.
Taking away for five years more than 1 rubles of lost payments, after raising the retirement age.
These hungry ghouls think the people can't match it.
They sit in the studio, sparkling with carat diamonds in their ears, talking about the "unfamiliar" new parties, which they themselves created to "smear" over them the electorate, which is ready to look at the Edinosos only through a gun sight.

[kig]

It turns out that the neighbors also have normal people.

[Kuroneko]

The fountain is missing. In general - a suitably spoiled ballot.

[Region-25.rus]

In general - a suitably spoiled ballot

As far as I understand, everyone (interested) does not care deeply for the fact that they spoil or vote not for the EP! The main thing that came и signed for the appearance and receipt of the bulletin. And there do not care for whom he put a tick. A neighbor (a policeman) walked around here too (they have a duty). Well, I ticked the box stupidly at random (not for the EP), took a selfie and sent it to the authorities))))

[Kuroneko]

Sense of spoiling your newsletter and wasting your time?
I do not understand. Or is there some deeper meaning?

[faiver]

In Yakutia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation won, the head of the republic will now clearly have problems, hehe

[Kuroneko]

Modern supposedly communists most of all value their own ass and personal well-being. Don't expect too much from them. There are almost no ideological ones. And Zyuganov himself has long betrayed the ideals of communism.

[aleks700]

Zyuganov will leave, he has nothing left. They will be young. Well relatively young

[Kuroneko]

I very much doubt the ideological nature of the young. Well, that's right VERY.
It is not so easy to be a convinced communist at this time. Besides, he is unremarkable.

[aleks700]

There are such. If only they were not pushed in.

[_Sergei_]

Not the governor, but the population. They will share power, but there will be no time to do something

[faiver]

And what, the population when they ran out of thread?

[Incvizitor]

That things have become worse for EP, it pleases, they may scratch themselves, they will start doing something for people, but that this flows to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is lousy, it would be better then to the LDPR ...

[aleks700]

LDPR. Voices of drunks. You just had to see these voters. Around 5%. We have.

[Kuroneko]

About drunks - this is for you to the Party of beer lovers. In the "Saints of the 90s" there was one.

[aleks700]

They went to the Liberal Democratic Party

[Kuroneko]

Never mind, we'll wash our boots in the Indian Ocean. = 3
But in general, democracy is an intensely implanted myth.

[aleks700]

Altai. Barnaul. The victory of the Communist Party. Edro second. The rest can be ignored.

[U-58]

The closer it is to Monday evening, the more percent will be added to the United Russia and will decrease from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The counting will be done "correctly", as "the mother" made.
The situation of 2018 is repeated ...

[U-58]

Well, that's what happened ...

[Nychego]

which of the parties that have passed to the State Duma will go to such a coalition.

Yes, the "new" people will go - they were originally created as a support for the United Russia, aimed at hilling ready-made stories about a false name and rhetoric.

[tasha]

Valery, how then should we relate to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, in which there is nothing communist, but only speculation on this word?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tasha

how then to relate to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, in which there is nothing communist, but only speculation on this word?

Duc, after all, the inhabitants have already been bred in this way for 25 years. Usual political technologies, black PR and a choice like "between bad and very bad." Few people understand what a protest vote or an active boycott is, and both must be massive.
And the second point. A barbaric penny passed before our very eyes. reform.
Well, where is the mass popular protest? The population prefers to die quietly, but not to defend their rights, forgetting that it is not the gods who sit at the top, but the same people of flesh and blood hired by them (this population) for a while, no smarter and no more stupid.
And why, why should Zyu pull the shirt on his chest for Vasya Pupkin, who does not want to do anything, so that then suddenly, in case of victory, he will shower Vasya with nishtyaks
or should siu take each wasya by the ear and bring them to protest?
As long as the people keep quiet, there will be no people who want to imitate Danko.

[tasha]

Your comment, which is very interesting, is irrelevant to me. I explain: in 2018, during a massive popular protest vote, a new governor was elected - a young communist. AND? "Don't I .." ('' The Adventures of Electronics .. '). All pre-election promises (people's enterprises, welfare growth, further down the list) turned out to be promises, nothing more. Nothing new, nothing so that one could say: "Everything is different with us ...". Alas, everything is the same. Corruption, the invasion of the Varangians for "golden parachutes", complete inability, unwillingness and inability to manage the region .... Some kind of stirring - due to national projects.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tasha

Nothing new, nothing that could be said: "Everything is different with us ...". Alas, everything is the same. Corruption, the invasion of the Varangians for "golden parachutes", complete inability, unwillingness and inability to govern the region ...

What do you want? The choice of a new governor does not mean that your region / krai has suddenly become an independent republic, with some other system of government, councils of people's deputies, for example.
It is important for the center to show that - they have chosen - and there you go!
Hence sabotage, underfunding, in general, stick in wheels.
I'll give you another example, ours is also young, but one of the closest to the body.
There was money in the region, the facade was repaired, it became brighter at night, quite good central roads are rebuilt once a year, there are more och. expensive cars (new / old team is mastering the loot), but in general the population's life salary does not increase, tariffs increase, everything becomes more expensive, as it was before.

[tasha]

What do you want?

Everything is correct and everything was clear even then.

Hence sabotage, underfunding, in general, stick in wheels.

No, buddy. Once again, no. This is a typical excuse. "Heavy legacy of the tsars ... the previous government, sabotage ...".
There would be desire and skill. There will be time, read about the work of the Governor of the Irkutsk region S. Levchenko. I read - compared ...

Money appeared in the region, the facade was repaired, it became brighter at night, quite good central roads are rebuilt once a year

These are all national projects. Money is allocated for them very decent and all regions.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tasha

There would be desire and skill. There will be time, read about the work of the Governor of the Irkutsk region S. Levchenko. I read - compared ...

I read Are you from Khakassia?

[tasha]

Well, they figured out ... "I need to bury myself ..." (c) Good luck gentlemen ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tasha

Well, they figured out ... "I need to bury myself ..." (c) Good luck gentlemen ..

Now we will all have to overlap, a new bucket, new laws, tighten our belts and all to offshore.

[Serg65]

Quote: tasha

read about the work of the governor of the Irkutsk region S. Levchenko

Has corruption disappeared under Levchenko? He brought order to the region with "clean hands"?

[tasha]

Sergei, I'm talking about economic results.

[Serg65]

Hello Mikhail!

Quote: tasha

I'm talking about economic results

Personally, my opinion .....
It so happened historically that the Irkutsk region is an economically developed center of the Baikal region, so Levchenko, Ivanov or Pupkin would be the governor, the economic growth would not change. Irkutsk region, a tidbit, so all the attention of the Communist Party was to it, and not to the unprofitable Khokassia, excuse me. Konovalov is not a manager, he is a politician ... besides, he is a leftist politician and therefore began his activities with an ultimatum to Deripaska, Khudainatov and Melnichenko, in place of reanimating the light industry, as far as I remember 20 years ago, your shoes, knitwear and woolen fabrics were in the price. And yes ... there are rumors that Konovalov's election campaign was financed by Gleb Khor, the owner of the Rutek holding, which includes the Arshanovsky open-pit mine ... that is. Konovalov's ultimatum is nothing more than the beginning of the redistribution of the Coal Market in Khakassia, and then there is money, big money .... the economy of Khakassia ... nonsense .. no time for the economy now!
Well, Levchenko ... Levchenko is an advertising banner, behind the banner was Chernyshev and the bank of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation "Solidarity"!

[tasha]

Sergey, an interesting comment.
Konovalov is no manager, unfortunately, and he is not a politician either. A lawyer-journalist of a provincial party newspaper, who accidentally became the head of an entire region. I perfectly understand that this is an extremely difficult load and hard work, but ...
And yes, I expected more from the KIPF. And it turns out that it is profitable and unprofitable for them.
"White came - rob, red came - rob .. Where to go to the peasant .."

[Serg65]

Quote: tasha

expected more from the KIPF. And it turns out that it is profitable and unprofitable for them.

Mikhail, and you analyze the reign of all the governors from the Communist Party ... you will learn a lot of new things for yourself
I personally became interested in officials from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation after the mayor of Volgorad Grebennikov, my father, a veteran of the Second World War, frankly sent .... literally ... grandfather, Putin promised you an apartment? So go to him, that you leaned against me!

[tasha]

Okay, I'll try it when there is time. I realized a long time ago that in the Communist Party there is only one letter from the Communists. And yes, half of the people I have met are very smart people, but mostly they are still from the USSR, and half are like this mayor ... It's sad.

[taseka]

Now you just have to carefully look at who will go over the green lamas in the first 6 months to where you need to get up to 51% - here they are those ugly reptiles!

[Ross xnumx]

preliminary data on the results of the elections to the State Duma ...

... showed that with such an organization of the elections to the State Duma it was possible to push through even ... Trump ...

[zontov79]

Once again, the party of thieves robbed the people. Well now hold on!

[Jolot]

I don’t believe that for 20% of processing from EP 40% were scored, somewhere we were deceived

[Lech from Android.]

Not new ... from an immortal movie.

[tasha]

Yesterday evening, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation received information from some agency that, following the results of the exit poll, their candidate wins. The orgy began. Quote from an article by one of the top media in the region:

"The voters have shown that no political technologies used by United Russia are already capable of disguising the essence of the course that the so-called ruling party is leading the country to an abyss, which ... has once again suffered a crushing defeat. Despite the dirt and lies that poured out on .. . by hundreds of thousands of false newspapers and leaflets, residents were able to sort it out and make the right choice. "

Rate the text and the level of journalists. Like? What did the head of the region write on social networks: "Dirty methods have not helped those who conduct an anti-popular policy and trample the principles of justice and honesty. Their time is running out irrevocably. It is becoming more and more difficult for them to impose candidates on citizens who pursue their own selfish interests in elections." ...

This is what the incumbent governor thinks and writes. Do you think this is the level of the head of the region?

Sunday was warm, the voters returned from the fields and went to the polling stations. The candidate from United Russia won ...

[Nexcom]

who would have doubted that "the only correct, progressively acting, popularly supported EP" will win ...

[Kuroneko]

And I wouldn't mind washing my boots in the Indian Ocean for a laugh ...

[Adimius38]

There is no confidence in these elections, everyone saw with what violations they passed. And how, after that, they can be recognized. In these elections, the people rose up and were for the Communist Party, and this was well traced before the elections. Initially, the EP drew a figure of more than 40 percent even before the elections and they received this figure to see they have Nostradamus working there. Such elections are a nail in the coffin of the people's confidence in the authorities. And then we wonder why the turnout is so low.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

That's how many I do not speak with my acquaintances, friends, just in conversations NO ONE person said that he voted for the United Russia Party or did not go (the majority) or the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. elderly people, they are definitely not the electorate of the ruling party I myself also went to the polls, once again took both ballots and hung them on a hook at home Conscience is clear, I did not vote for this power Correct, incorrect I do this

[Nexcom]

I think it's probably the same everywhere - either they didn't vote for the EP or they didn't go.
but EP won the majority of votes. paradox....

[U-58]

You're right. The situation of 2018 is repeated. Calculate "right".

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

I voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, although the party is so-so, petty-bourgeois) but there is no alternative, and although my wife and son went to the polls, they spoiled their ballots, they said that they did not want to vote for random cheliks)

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Quote: Arzt

If EDRA has less than 50%, then EVERY law will have to be coordinated with other parties.

Zhirinovsky and Mironov will vote against United Russia? Funny. They were invented only in order not to draw 120% of the EER.
Well, grandfather Zyu with his "communist capitalists" will vote against any proposal of the United Russia anyway. Nothing personal - he was simply given such a place in the system of Russian democracy.

[anclevalico]

Stretched EdRu voices, no doubt. The main ghoul won't let the buddies screw up.

[anatoly.fishitch]

it's all over RUSSIA

[Telyatnikov Sergey Andreevich]

I read the comments. Some kind of fuss in the manure. I am unambiguous in my judgment: Putin is leading Russia along the right path. To implement his plans, he needs unified support in the Duma, not a search for a coalition. Therefore, I think the parliamentary majority of the United Russia is quite fair. Disputes should be, but not pulling the blanket over yourself.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Sergey Andreevich, if it's not a secret, how old are you and where you work

[Konnick]

Putin is leading Russia on the right track

There is still up to 40 years to keep Putin in power, like Moses. Pgmnuty probably this Telyatnikov. I am sure he no longer works, retired, parishioner, former policeman. Registration today, even a bot does not pull.

[Next]

Anyone who insists that we have to go and the votes will decide: EDRU will draw exactly those percentages that suit them! We needed a constitutional majority - it was, and they did everything they needed (amendments, VAT, pension reform). And all this systemic opposition is at the same time with them. So don't give a damn about their choices, let them dance on.

[adler87]

Coalition with the New People, this is the Kremlin's project.

[O. Bender]

Yesterday I went to vote, I was struck by the fact that in the magazine for the issuance of ballots on two spreads available to me for viewing the marks of receipt of four, four !!! out of about fifty (25 or more per page, time 16.00. The last day of voting, before the closure of the polling station only four hours, there are practically no people, there are more guards. Here is such a turnout. And yes, my closest circle is 15 people, all for Communist Party.

[Esaul]

By the evening, as a result, food will be raised to 51% in order to further worsen people's lives without hindrance.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Esaul

in order to further worsen people's lives without hindrance.

Everything has its limit. This one has not yet arrived. But they try there.))

[Konnick]

... But they try there.))

Even here someone is trying.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Konnick

Even here someone is trying.

No, they are mostly laughing here)).

[Maks1995]

Ha. Do you still believe in some kind of coalition? what kind of count?
Look, even on the pro-Kremlin sites the article "Putin turned back the clock." That the clock on his online go-round showed the 10th ...

How many openly exposed "throw-ins" were imprisoned in the last elections? Inaudibly. It seems like 1nu aunt conditionally, - it was not possible to smear it, threw it in packs right under the cameras ...

[Essex62]

Someone hopes that the past "opposition parties" will slow down the general line? The essence of the capitalist is to plunder and bend. In this system, at least 90% of the Communist Party will have everything as before. There are no communists there.

[Glagol1]

There are communists, this is the only party that voted against Putin's anti-people laws. Look, this information is available. The Liberal Democratic Party is much less common, and the SR is generally rare.
Now they have pushed in new people, this is the daughter of E.R. with the right to vote only for. So the Communist Party is the only real opposition in the Duma. The faction will be assembled by 65-67 people, out of 450 ...

[Essex62]

Forgive me, but the communists are Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, Stalin and others who called for the overthrow of the power of the backsliders, through hard labor and prisons, they earned their right to be called that. Embedded in the system of power, the bourgeois state, having close contacts with the bourgeoisie, even with the aligarchs, they are not. You can "oppose" as much as you like, knowing for sure that this senseless shaking of the air will not lead to anything, even to the attacks of the bourgeois authorities on the "protesters" themselves. They did not stop anything that was anti-popular, and they judge by deeds, not by name. Sitting in the bourgeois State Duma, getting a good salary and, in fact, not doing anything. Convenient niche. Lenin, read what he writes about this.

[Dingo]

Those who "cooperate" with this organized criminal group with the chase of "ER" will simply destroy themselves. Politically, it will be a "corpse". Do they need it? If it is necessary, if this is what this one-day "party" was created for, then yes. "They will change their shoes", they will change the name ... Watch your hands ...

[gohomeyanki]

Quote: Dingo

Those who "cooperate" with this organized criminal group with the chase of "ER" will simply destroy themselves. Politically, it will be a "corpse". Do they need it?

This is a real politician.
Cooperation will mean concessions / decisions on some issues. If a party wants to put its ideas into practice, it will make compromises.

And the offended, well, they will not put their ideas into practice. Therefore, they do not like the offended in the zone, or, on the contrary, they love it very much, here it is how you look. And this party will not become a corpse, but can add votes to itself, because they love people who stand and do something. )

[Glagol1]

Rating e.r. in Moscow it was measured for several months, fluctuated from 15 to 20%, and as a result of the so-called elections, they have more than 35% in Moscow. So it was not an election, but a farce. It is especially offensive for the young people who did not come to vote, so instead of them they drew e.r. 2 times more real. I wonder what the so-called democratic community will do, gobble up this shit, or still go for the principle and do not recognize it. They'll probably eat it ...

[Adagka]

Quote: Glagol1

Rating e.r. in Moscow it was measured for several months, fluctuated from 15 to 20%, and as a result of the so-called elections, they have more than 35% in Moscow. So it was not an election, but a farce. It is especially offensive for the young people who did not come to vote, so instead of them they drew e.r. 2 times more real. I wonder what the so-called democratic community will do, gobble up this shit, or still go for the principle and do not recognize it. They'll probably eat it ...

if you analyzed at least a little, you could easily compare two things - the rating was measured conventionally for 100% of voters, and 40% come to the elections, half of which is the mobilized electorate of the authorities. Continue further? And there are no global distortions of the results (we do not take special cases), the authorities simply do not need this, it is enough to continue hammering it into their heads that everything has been decided, there is no need to walk, all the same, everything will be calculated as it should.

[unaha]

Vladislav Inozemtsev formulated the position very lucidly:
“The main results of the“ voting ”look extremely alarming: the authorities realized that they cannot win elections even in the conditions of any administrative mobilization - the only hope of the Kremlin is banal falsifications and violation of the law. nor V. Putin, as well as none of the top five on the list of "United Russia" did not appear among the "jubilant winners."

If the possibilities for the formation of a loyal electorate have been exhausted, solutions will continue to be sought in repression: the number of undesirable organizations will radically grow in the coming weeks and months, and the free Internet will end within the next year. The new State Duma will become such a printer, in comparison with which its previous convocations will seem like antediluvian typewriters. An additional factor that gives the authorities courage is the fact that - unlike in 2011 - no one came to the square to protest against a much more obviously stolen vote: this means that repression is effective, and this method of retaining control over society should become mainstream. "

By the way, the CEC website encoded data on the voting results, apparently to prevent analysis and identify anomalies (as in voting on amendments).

[Aurel]

In the Russian political system, national minorities set the tone - they determine the country's policy, not the Russian people.

[Grandfather Luka]

Quote: t-12

And even with such honesty, with "pre-election" gifts to the military and pensioners, during the drawing of prizes ... with all this, "United Russia" received only 40%.

With a total turnout of less than 50 percent!

[grumbler]

As a democrat and moderate liberal, I can hardly call the "elections" that finally ended yesterday. It was not so much an election as a plebiscite of support for "Putin's course" and the mobilization of his supporters, and not at all an instrument for expanding popular representation.
I was not going to participate, but decided to go to elect local deputies. And taking it for granted that the elections in England, France somewhere in the early years of the 1900th century, were also not much more liberal (but there is a separate conversation about suffrage for women and "colored" people) and there was still a weak chance to hold at least some of its representatives. Politically, it's the XNUMXs.

But, just as a convinced democrat, I am forced to share the responsibility for the non-liberality of these elections in a 60/40 ratio between the regime and the most liberal-democratic (hereinafter LD) opposition. Her contribution is phenomenally great and consistent in the persistence with which the LD opposition has been cutting the branch it sits on for several decades (!). It has long been clear to everyone (?), The time of "platforms, programs" has passed 20 years ago. The LD opposition has a single but common task - to return Russia to the all-European road of parliamentary social democracy. In this historical period, we cannot afford the luxury of having a scattering of LD parties that do not reflect the opinions of a statistically significant number of voters. Nor is the time to copy ultra-liberalism with its hypertrophied cult of micro-minorities from the West. We are in a time of majority democracy. And if the regime itself does not stagger from internal contradictions (the crisis of loyalty of elites, government and the economy), then only a single CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY, based on the votes of tens of millions of voters from all parts of the political spectrum, united by the Common Principles of Democracy, can win. The Russian Voter throughout Russia is its main capital (not injections from fugitive oligarchs and murky foreign "democracy promotion funds").

There can be no small-town "apples," civil platforms, new people, parties of growth, open Russia, Russia of the future, and so on. Watered peas, but only a single tightly clenched LD-fist.
Whose goal is the same - to return to all of us, left and right, liberals and conservatives, anarchists and statists, Freedom of Speech, the Right to Meetings, the Right to Choose and Be Elected.
Then we will all sit on our benches and continue to selflessly yell at each other. But! we must always be ready to unite against anyone (no matter, "patriot" or "liberal") who encroaches on the basic Democratic Values, the spirit and letter of the Constitution, its institutions and procedures.

What do we see in practice? For 20 years (!) The LD oppositionists have not bothered to unite on a single CONSTITUTIONAL-DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM, relying on the Democracy of the Majority.
Instead, they (as ordered by the Kremlin) split into worthless parties, much more reminiscent of the dissident "get-togethers" of the 60s-70s than the parties really striving for power.
But, if the LD oppositionists are so mediocre in defining the Common Goal, building their own party, how are they going to rule the country ?? The only political statement was to be Unification. But he is absent, the LD opposition is extremely fragmented. In conditions of constant pressure, the opposition does not show the ability to overcome dissident thinking and move to political thinking. Despite the fact that he ritually swears loyalty to liberal values ​​- negotiability and compromise.

Plus, part of the LD opposition shows no signs of a critically realistic perception of reality at all: from the problems of the North Caucasus, demography and migration, to the crisis of the West and geopolitics. And even I have a persistent fear that a part of the "ultras" from the LD-opposition, in the event of coming to power, is ready to surrender everything again for the loyalty of the West: Russia's position as an independent geopolitical player, latest competitive production. Those. to repeat everything that has already been destroyed in the life of our generation in the 90s, to the applause of many LD-figures.

The result is absolutely legitimate - the LD-opposition is in a deep crisis. RIP

[Mikhail Kosikov0418]

I’m looking at this publication and listening to Zyuganov’s comment on the radio on the election results. Ordinary demagoguery, habitual for this figure, manipulation of facts, bordering on lies. Zyuganov is like a broken record. And United Russia, taking into account single-mandate constituencies, receives a constitutional majority in the State Duma, so it will not need any coalition.

[yfast]

It's time to come up with the "Alternative for Russia" party. Although the word alternative is too complicated. And the vote counting needs to be made transparent somehow. Otherwise, during remote voting, you can correct any bit. Maybe temporarily introduce personal voting?

[acetophenone]

Quote: Kuroneko

And I wouldn't mind washing my boots in the Indian Ocean for a laugh ...

For the sake of laughter, nothing will come of it except laughter. If you really want to, then you can. But you have to give a lot for it. And for everyone. And very possibly - life.
Weigh the proud strength,
Weigh your strong will...
in the words of old man Nekrasov.

[alimov76]

I keep thinking, who are these people who count the votes, where is this computer that counts everything, who sits behind it, who pays the salaries of these people?
I also wonder how many hard workers were elected to the Duma there, where else, drivers, turners, milkmaids, teachers, engineers?

[alystan]

Take a look here at your leisure:

Sold the elections, bought a dacha. How CEC members get rich - https://publizist.ru/blogs/33/40485/-

A lot of interesting things have been collected, maybe you will find the answer to your questions.

[helloween]

But Edro has acquired a lot - the main acquisition is popular hatred!!!
Soon they will beat you in the face for membership in EdRo!!!

[Essex62]

And they will be imprisoned for life for terrorism.

[gromel.90]

Hi all!
I don’t understand at all how E.R. could get so many % of votes?
I can only add one thing that more than 50% is fake (deception). Many will say where does this conclusion come from? I'll tell you!
Mass media. And not only.
But my personal opinion is I am against E.R.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: gromel.90

I'll tell you!
Mass media. And not only.

Naive Chukchi young man

[Duck]

Good afternoon. It seems to me that this is not an absolute lie, but quite information that is close to real. Edro, when compared with the last elections (I don’t remember the data for the year before), consistently gains 25-26% of the total. Those. they have the same electorate.

[garik77]

When I listened to the debate, I was shocked. All systemic oppositionists have a wild mixture of terry populism and outright nonsense in their program. Should we have voted for them or what?
Non-system ones are even worse

[Devil13]

Of all my acquaintances, a dozen pensioners, out of almost 300 people, voted for the Union.
A very interesting percentage emerges.
And there are 3 million military personnel throughout the country, including the National Guard and the police. Out of 140.
However, how schools “count” in the right direction has long been known.
I'm not even talking about how easy it is to shuffle online voting.

So again, do you seriously believe that the circus will go away from changing clowns, or that pocket dogs in the form of the LDPR will not support the feeding hand?

[seacap]

I am not an analyst and, God forbid, not a political scientist-“baltologist”, but an ordinary layman, but with an overwhelming advantage in intelligence over the younger generation, because I have a normal Soviet education, which allows me to see and add 2 and 2, draw conclusions and, by analyzing the available information, without straining to think logically, have a general idea of ​​what is happening around me.
I am not an analyst and, God forbid, not a political scientist, but an ordinary man in the street, but with an overwhelming superiority to the younger generation, possessing a normal Soviet education, which allows me to see, add 2 and 2, using available information, thinking critically and logically, put together a general picture of what is happening around. Looking at all this bacchanalia at the end of last week, which due to some misunderstanding was called the election of someone somewhere, the feeling involuntarily and obsessively emerges that something similar has already happened in the life of my country, and with very sad consequences for us . This is, of course, only my opinion and feeling, which does not pretend to be any analysis or indisputable facts. But, it seems to me, there are no random coincidences of this magnitude; the scenario and plan for everything that happens is the same. This format does not imply lengthy discussions, so I’ll keep it short. Isolation (self-removal of the head of state), the same 3 days of bacchanalia of security forces and administration, using the whole complex of manipulations, security and administrative resources, in fact, blocking of the media and information channels, all this does not remind anything (to the older generation) except Swan Lake didn't spin. It is very likely that the well-known “Mr. Default” and the company, with the help of security forces and the hands of a weak-willed, deceitful and hypocritical lady, who heads this whole show, representing the revived inherited noble class, before our eyes and with our participation in the form of extras, carried out a coup d’etat, completely destroying the institution of elections and blocking any participation in the future of slaves in government. Demonstratively and demonstratively, not giving a damn about the will of the people, violating the laws written by them, cynically and brazenly not even trying to hide their crime, without waiting for at least a formal imitation of the count, they immediately announced the prepared figures and, forgetting about the psychosis they had created with “horror” “horror, we’ll all die tomorrow” they began to massively celebrate, jumping and galloping like our neighbors, the victory over their people and country, the final usurpation and seizure of power. It seems very likely that at this point we can forget about any elections, even in their imitation in this format without choice, because the digital format does not imply and does not need either the opinion of the electorate or the structure of the commission, only a system specialist and a general worker are needed, even a programmer is not needed, Las Vegas to help with its slot machines, everything has already been compiled a long time ago. The management has a real new knowledge of people without honor and conscience, who got there completely by accident, thanks to nepotism and personal loyalty, who do not have sufficient intellectual and professional skills, who simply have no idea what and how they are obliged to lead, and therefore are extremely lacking initiative and intimidated, concerned only their own well-being, but aware of their temporary nature and insignificance, so these people, most of whom betrayed and killed a great power, are not about development and revival, but about making a profit. Stupefied by the dough (often the intellect is not enough even to spend it wisely), permissiveness and complete irresponsibility, all this new nobility, who hate their country and despise their people, with their actions and decisions are more like the colonial administration in the overseas territories (in fact, sit down like that) , designed to ensure the receipt of income from this territory and ensure a continuous supply of resources and capital to the overseas metropolis. And what kind of elections can there be in a colony and in an occupied country? Why make it powerful and prosperous, and even with a literate and creative population?