King of hunger

In general, the first documented and well-described mass famine occurred in the early 17th century, and led to the Troubles, a series of wars and coups that almost destroyed Russia. Since then, famine has returned regularly, but it was far from the scale of the Troubles, and the authorities were not strong and interested ... until it came to riots. You can also understand the authorities, when the fields were cultivated with a wooden plow, two- and three-field and full dependence on weather conditions, regular hunger was inevitable. It was not only with us, it was everywhere, and there was still a need to learn in a different way.

A traditional agrarian-based society is generally not rushed: a small number of townspeople in a sea of ​​peasants, a rigid attachment to the agricultural calendar and traditions that regulate every aspect of life, do not provide room for drastic changes. But everything changes in the 19th century, the age of iron and steam. Capitalism is being built in the world, the population is flowing into the cities, like mushrooms after the rain, factories and factories grow ... It is clear that agricultural technologies are developing and harvests are growing. They are growing in Europe, where they made a step towards the industry earlier, but here ...

Problem number one

And our traditional society is preserved, moreover, it is strengthening. Why did it happen? The point is in the heirs of Peter the Great, or rather in their support, which became the nobility. And the well-being of the nobility depended precisely on the traditional society, or rather on the sale of bread grown by the peasants. And for a larger harvest, the needs grew, the world changed and life became more complicated, a good and high-status life, in addition, became more expensive, either agricultural technologies or more peasants are needed. It was difficult with the first in Russia, little technology was produced, in which the wine, oddly enough, it sounds, is precisely the nobility. Capitalism and industry require working hands, and our working hands belonged to someone. Of course, there were less than 50% pure serfs, but the rest were also not free, they were either state, or cabinet, or someone else's people.

As a result, a classic vicious circle has developed in Russia - to solve the problem of society and the state, it is necessary to build industry, but it does not work out to build it, because with the general population of people there are no people. It cannot be said that the authorities did not understand this, the Romanovs were not fools, but there was but. The times when Peter beat Menshikov with a stick and hanged high-ranking thieves are over, in the era of palace coups everything was the other way around, the nobility overthrew and put on the throne convenient monarchs. One list of those killed by the nobles is shocking - John Antonovich (deposed in infancy, all life in prison, killed by guards), Peter the Third (the Orlov brothers), Paul the First (the closest noble entourage) ... It is clear that Catherine was, of course, Great and Enlightened , but she did not touch serfdom, moreover, it strengthened, it is fraught, you know, having an army and a guard of nobles, to undermine the source of their well-being. And Alexander the First, after taking part in the murder of his father, kept all his liberal dreams to himself.

No, they did, Catherine created the Free Economic Society and agitated the landlords for modern forms of management, Alexander the First adopted the law "On Free Farmers", which allowed the peasants to be freed voluntarily, but all this did not work. Why should the nobility change anything if it is possible not to change it? Still, Nikolai Pavlovich did most of all - not being able to free the peasants, he began to shake the traditional village. The trade of serfs is limited, the quitrent takes on a massive character, the ruined nobles are gradually deprived of their lands and souls. But all this went slowly, very slowly, and meanwhile hunger was already knocking at the gate, along with cholera and war:

1813 year. Reasons: crop failure, war. How the authorities fought: in no way. Coefficient increase mortality in starving provinces by 2.7.
1833 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Increasing the odds mortality in starving provinces by 2.4.
1839 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Increasing the odds mortality in starving provinces by 2.4.
1844 year. Reasons: drought, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Coefficient increase death rate in starving provinces by 2.1

We were late for the war with industry, and the Crimean War was lost, it was necessary to change something and ... And, as one politician put it, “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always».

Great reform?

Everyone knows that Alexander the Second is the Liberator and benefactor, and why the peasants massively rebelled against liberation, they even write textbooks sparingly, and if they do, they are extremely ideologized. In fact, everything is simple and sad - the peasants were freed so as not to offend the nobles. The result was a sheer disgrace in the form of depriving the peasants of part of the land and mortgages for a period of 49 years (two generations) to buy themselves out. All this would be good if there were jobs in the cities where the extra peasants instantly formed could find a piece of bread, and the nobles would invest in these very agricultural technologies, having received huge easy money. But the money was spent in Europe, the landlords were rapidly going bankrupt, and the peasants were never released to the end, because there was nothing to violate the disgrace.

As a result, the industry in Russia appeared, however, foreign, often with imported skilled labor, and unskilled labor was taken in the form of seasonal workers, that is, without taking extra people to the city. In the village itself, it became terrifying - the preservation of the community and the introduction of bondage called "redemption payments" led to an explosive growth of the population, the community divided the land according to the number of eaters. And since there was no money for cars, breeding seeds and fertilizers in the village, it began:

“After the famine of 1891, covering a huge area in 29 provinces, the lower Volga region constantly suffers from hunger: during the XX century. Samara province went on hunger strike 8 times, Saratov 9. Over the past thirty years, the largest hunger strikes date back to 1880 (the Lower Volga region, part of the lakeside and Novorossiysk provinces) and to 1885 (Novorossia and part of the non-black earth provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then after the famine of 1891 came the famine of 1892 in the central and southeastern provinces, hunger strikes in 1897 and 98. in approximately the same area; in the XX century. famine of 1901 in 17 provinces of the center, south and east, hunger strike in 1905 (22 provinces, including four non-black earth ones, Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma), which opened a series of hunger strikes: 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1911 ... (mostly eastern, central provinces, Novorossiya). "

Hunger became something permanent, infant mortality was off the charts, and the language was enriched with new terms, like “walking in pieces”. Only 1891 took away 0,5 million people, which, however, did not interfere with the sale of bread, the Russian Empire did not have any other export product, and the money was for the consumption of the ruling class, that technology was needed. In fact, the Romanovs themselves created a huge bomb under the state in the form of tens of millions of beggars living on the brink of starvation and rapidly lumpenizing peasants, whose number tripled in the 19th century alone.

The solution of the problem

The problem of excessive demographic pressure was not understood for a long time, moreover, they were proud of the growth of the population, predicting an increase of up to 500 million in a hundred years. The fact that populations are exploding in impoverished and disadvantaged countries has never occurred to anyone. 1905 and the first revolution awakened everyone. The redemption payments were canceled, the Stolypin reforms began to liquidate communities and resettle peasants to Siberia and the Far East. The first did not help much, the village was already ruined, the second hit the peasantry, creating a powerful stratification among the peasants, when one became rich, a hundred fell into poverty, and the resettlement failed.

And it could not fail to fail, the new lands are new natural and climatic conditions to which the peasants were unaccustomed and unadapted. Some, of course, survived and prospered, but many returned, having lost everything altogether. As a result, it exploded. It rushed so that everything previous in the world stories seemed like a trifle. We are used to the fact that Civil is white and red, but there was a third party, the most numerous, and these are the peasants who were against both the white and the red. This force was disorganized, illiterate, but it was she who gave rise to the greatest horrors and sacrifices, simply out of hatred for everything outside the peasant world. As a result, the famine of 1921, caused by both seven years of continuous war and the confiscation of grain by the warring parties.

We must pay tribute to the Bolsheviks - the NEP period is a period of attempts to resolve the issue in a peaceful evolutionary way, which completely failed. He could not fail to fail, in a poor, backward country, where eight out of ten residents did not have so much money, not so much land to build a paradise for everyone. The recipe was clear - rapid urbanization, agricultural mechanization and that's it. The main thing is to remove the superfluous from the village, providing them with work in industry, and put the rest on a tractor, giving them an agronomist and a livestock technician.

On paper it was smooth, like in Alexander II and Stolypin's, but, as usual, I had to walk through the ravines. The peasants resisted breaking the traditional way of life, the authorities did not fully think through the plans, and the local performers were illiterate. As a result, famine again, the worst famine in the history of Russia, from 2 to 7 million died in the USSR. Yes, and in the cities it was hard, after the construction of factories they did not have time to build housing, hospitals, schools, the shake-up of the village led to rationing and a shortage of food ... But be that as it may, they coped. And the famine of 1932-1933. was the last famine in a series of disasters caused by the transition from a traditional society to an industrial society. The price was paid terrible, and not only with us.

England, Ireland, India went through such a breakdown, there were problems with mass riots in France, Austria ... It's just that serfdom was canceled there easier and more adequately, and they started earlier. And we were late, for which we paid a terrible price. And it is stupid to look for creepy facts in order to make political opponents guilty. Civil, with such a bomb under the foundation of statehood, was inevitable at the first serious shake-up. And whoever won it, the problem of the peasants would have to be solved one way or another. It's like with a disease - in neglected cases you can only cut, and the peasant question has been launched in our country for a good century. It would be possible to speculate unless the Crimean War began, and Nikolai Pavlovich's serfdom was finally expanded, but history has no subjunctive mood.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Great article, thanks to the author.

As a result, famine again, the worst famine in the history of Russia, from 2 to 7 million died in the USSR.

The supermortality rate for this period is less than 3 million (I do not remember the exact figure) according to the statistics collection.

[zenion]

Of course, the Jews were to blame for everything. Oh, and they got over the heads for hunger, got a lot. Although half of the Jews and part of Ukraine fled to the United States and Canada, they were still to blame for everything now.

[Pushkar]

Quote: zenion

Of course, the Jews were to blame for everything. Oh, and they got over the heads for hunger,

Of course they are! After all, they drank all the water!

[kalibr]

My congratulations to the author!

[Olgovich]

Quote: kalibr

My congratulations to the author!

hope this is sarcasm?

The article, alas, is utterly untrue and incompetent, just an agitation in favor of the "nogodny" government that has completely failed in agriculture, which, with the world's largest arable land, barely caught up with the level of food consumption in 1913 in FORTY years, and then bought it for gold and the currency of the losing damned capitalists is bread, meat, butter, etc., on a large and large scale, since destroyed her agricultural and village.

And the famines of 1932-33, 1921-22, caused by their incompetent ignorant policy, with mass cannibalism and corpse-eating, were so shockingly terrible in scale and consequences that there were simply no analogues either in the world or in Russia before them. But hunger with hunger deaths were permanent under their rule: it is 1923,24,25,28,29,30.

For example, the author writes:

And the famine of 1932-1933. became the last famine in a string of disasters

which is a lie: people not only constantly starved until the 1950s, but also DIED of hunger in 1934, 1936,1937 (the year of the construction of the Socialist War), 46,47yy (0,8-1,5 million people victims of mass cannibalism)) were dying of hunger far behind the lines in the Second World War, which was not in sight in WWI.

Special message of the NKVD of the Kuibyshev region. "On food difficulties." 19 April 1937 city


Archive: CA FSB of the Russian Federation. F. 3. Op. 4. D. 307. L. 324-326.

Food difficulties are felt in 65 districts of the region (out of 110), including 18 districts of the MASSR (out of 23). In total, during the winter in 14 districts there were 62 cases of HUNGER DEATH... In a number of collective farms in Teleginsky, Staro-Shaigovsky, Bezenchuksky, Klyavlinsky, Tagaysky, Penza and other districts (a total of 52 districts), collective farmers swell from malnutrition. The use of various substitutes for food is observed in the vast majority of collective farms in districts. In the Red Sloboda, Kamensky and other areas noted eating PADALI.

In the Staro-Kulatkinsky district, there was an attack by a crowd of more than 200 people on a bread store. The crowd broke down the doors to the store and began grabbing loaves of bread, of which there were no more than 150 kg. At the same time, a pregnant woman was hushed up, whose premature birth immediately began.

In with. The grave of the Neverkinsky district in order to disperse the queue standing at the bakery, the deputy director of MTS for political affairs Khusnutdinov suggested the guard of MTS Karbik shoot a gunwhat he did. Those standing in line did not leave immediately. In a number of cases, there are manifestations of acute discontent, scandals and fights in the queues for bread.

In many areas there is a violent poverty, especially among children who drop out of school

Wow "not hungry"!

The "fracture" praised by the author in the agricultural sector .... did not lead to an increase in productivity, or to an increase in labor productivity: they just stupidly began to take more from collective farmers through collective farms and increased arable land.

They went hungry in 1939,40 and entered the Second World War with a lack of food supplies.

Moreover, in 1937,36,46,47, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, there was bread, the starving population did not have it,
for it was driven for export to "fraternal Romania, Hungarians (in 46-47, countries that had just killed millions of ours), France, etc.
Hunger is constant: secretary of the Central Committee Aristov, 1952 G :

Who was in Ryazan? -

- What is there? Interruptions?

- No, Comrade Stalin, not interruptions, but for a long time there is no bread, no oil, no sausage. He stood in line with the first secretary of the regional committee from six to seven in the morning, checked. No bread ANYWHERE.

etc.

The author writes a lie about the lack of assistance to the hungry before the thieves: in Russia there was a system of imperial food capital with grain warehouses in case of famine, a system of state public works, state. loans (forgiven later), help from the zemstvo, public charity, church, landowners, which helped to avoid starvation after 1891. Nothing like this happened in 1932-33. it is especially disgusting that in 1930-34, the authorities prayed about multimillion deaths and did not even ask for help from the world, which had already saved millions quite recently in 1921-22.

And so you can disassemble each paragraph of the article, which, yes, "minus"

[tatra]

The classic behavior of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people is to always rage against the BEST for their country and people, and when they write about hunger and political repression in the Russian Empire and capitalist countries of the world, immediately "switch the arrows" to the USSR.
And your "great philanthropy" in your anti-Soviet region does not apply to the victims of the people either in the pre-revolutionary period, or in the period after the capture of the USSR by you.
And presenting the highest demands to the Bolshevik-Communists, including the fact that they had to instantly put an end to the centuries-old problem of hunger, to YOURSELF, and you are not making the slightest demands to your well-paid job.

[Olgovich]

Quote: tatra

The classic behavior of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people is to always rage against the BEST for your country and people

once the "achievement" indicated in the article (which led to constant hunger and deaths from hunger) is the best for you, then wish it to yourself

Quote: tatra

immediately "switch the arrows" to the USSR

read the article - have you tried it? There HALF about the USSR

Quote: tatra

And your "great philanthropy" in your anti-Soviet region does not apply to the victims of the people either in the pre-revolutionary period, or in the period after the capture of the USSR by you.

all just SUCH unimaginable victims and suffering from hunger, which your idols "achieved" as a result of their ignorance - the world until 1933 simply did not know - no Africa, yes.

Quote: tatra

presenting the highest demands to the Communist Bolsheviks, including the fact that they had to instantly put an end to the centuries-old hunger problem

they unleashed it to unprecedented heights and sacrifices, unprecedented for the middle of the 20th century in peacetime, and even in the center of Europe.

[zenion]

You are out of luck, just as Hitler was unlucky. With him, you would drink Bavarian and eat strudel, but now you have to drink Bavarian for money and eat cake.

[EvilLion]

You do not understand when the enemy of the Soviet regime is brought before the court and, according to his sentence, is shot illegally, and when the cap. the authorities send soldiers against the workers' demonstration, and after the shooting, a hundred corpses remain - this is legal. And when unwanted people are imprisoned or wet without trial or investigation, this is also legal. And lynching in the United States is also perfectly legal, as is McCarthyism.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Olgovich

The article, alas, is thoroughly untrue and incompetent.

Ol'govich's comments are deceitful and in places just stupid. This phrase is enough:

Quote: Olgovich

the level of food consumption in 1913 barely caught up in FORTY years

What consumption, ay, production, and after the First World War, the Civil and the Great Patriotic War!

Quote: Olgovich

and then she bought bread, meat, butter and so on from the defeated damned capitalists for gold and currency, all on a large and large scale, since destroyed her agricultural and village.

Well, this idiocy certainly does not need comments, but it needs a reminder of the advanced science, industry and social services built.

Quote: Olgovich

But famines with starvation deaths were constant under their rule: 1923,24,25,28,29,30.

There was such a thing, but the trouble is:

Quote: Olgovich

what helped to avoid starvation deaths after 1891

How many years passed from 1922 to 1947 Soviet power and how many years until 1891 the tsarist power? Ol'govich "denouncing" does not include the mind at all.

Quote: Olgovich

Moreover, in 1937,36,46,47, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, there was bread, the starving population did not have it,
for it was driven for export to "fraternal Romania, Hungarians (in 46-47, countries that had just killed millions of ours), France, etc.

In these countries, a government subordinate to the USSR was planted (except for France, it looks like another Olgovich's nonsense) and we were FORCED to supply food there. But who forced the dealers and the nobility to drive bread to Europe in any year, even the Tsar-hunger, or simply hunger, there is no answer.

Quote: Olgovich

No, Comrade Stalin, no interruptions, but for a long time there has been no bread, no butter, no sausage. He stood in line with the first secretary of the regional committee from six to seven in the morning, checked. There is no bread ANYWHERE.

Yeah, a phrase from Mlechin's book is a source, yes.

Quote: Olgovich

in Russia there was a system of imperial food capital with grain warehouses in case of famine, a system of state public works, state. loans (forgiven later), help from the zemstvo, public charity, church, landowners

Especially the buyers-exporters of bread, as much as from Paris, benefited. Olgovich loves to quote without references, and in fact there are such documents as well.

- Resolution of the Politburo "On the seed loan to Ukraine" dated March 19, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 31. P. 41/4).
- Decree of the Council of Labor and Defense of the USSR on the seed loan to Ukraine dated March 20, 1932 (RGAE. F. 8043. Op. 11. D. 46. L. 194. Certified copy).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On seeds for Ukraine" dated April 4, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 84. P. 41/6).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On seeds for the Ukrainian SSR" of April 5, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162, D. 12. L. 84. P. 45/10).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On Seed Assistance to Ukraine" dated April 19, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 108. P. 29/6).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On a seed loan to Ukraine" (additional interest-free loan to collective farms) of April 28, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 115. P. 33/9).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On the seed loan of the Central Chernozem region and the Kiev region" dated June 8, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 176. P. 87/43).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On a seed loan" (to Kazakhstan, Bashkiria, Dnepropetrovsk region) of March 11, 1933 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 14. L. 98. P. 44/24).
- Decision of the Politburo on sowing in Ukraine (on the release of an additional seed loan) of April 5, 1933 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 3. D. 920. L. 4. P. 10/7).
- Resolution of the Politburo "On sowing in the North Caucasus and Ukraine" (additional semssud) dated April 15, 1933 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 14. L. 122. P. 73/49).

And this is only for Ukraine and only for a seed loan.
That's all you need to know about Olgovich's lamentations.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This phrase is enough:
Quote: Olgovich
the level of food consumption in 1913 barely caught up in FORTY years
What kind consumption, ay, production,

will come back to haunt 2

: Report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR, the Institute of Economics of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR and the Institute of Nutrition of the Academy of Medical Sciences of the USSR HA Bulganin about the level consumption of basic food and industrial goods in the USSR per capita 1955

.. it came to what consumption?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

and after the First World War, the Civil and the Great Patriotic War!

after WWI, the level of consumption in 1913, as a result of the capitalist NEP, was almost reached already in 1928, but then, after the "achievements" of collectivization, there was a complete failure and HUNGER with millions of deaths

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, this idiocy certainly does not need comments, but it needs a reminder of the advanced science, industry and social services built.

idiocy-not to know that your "superpowers" and "successful people" already in 1963, with the LARGEST arable land in the world, forced were already purchasing grain, for these purposes it was allocated 372,2 tons of gold - more than a third of the gold reserves of the USSR.

And the total IMPORT of grain from 1961 to 1991 grew by ... THIRTY times! The USSR is the largest importer of grain (as well as meat, butter, etc.) in the world, and you have to be a complete heyot to consider this an "achievement" of the so-called "power".

Advanced science is the experience of scientific workers sticking up to the top, etc. in the mud of the main fields for harvesting potatoes, etc., on which tens of millions of working hours were spent and still a THIRD of an already meager harvest went under the "superpowers" under the snow and in the mud.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Olgovich
But famines with starvation deaths were constant under their rule: 1923,24,25,28,29,30.
There was such, but here's the trouble:
Quote: Olgovich
what helped to avoid starvation deaths after 1891
How many years passed from 1922 to 1947 Soviet power and how many years until 1891 the tsarist power? Ol'govich "denouncing" does not include the mind at all.

2Participants have nothing to turn on at all, otherwise it would come to the conclusion that already at the end of the 19th century there were no starvation deaths in Russia, while under the "people's" government people died in the millions and ate their children in the middle of the TWENTH century in PEACEFUL time and this is unimaginable at all.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Yeah, a phrase from Mlechin's book is a source, yes.

I see that the post will not help either:
source: Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich. 1957. Transcript of the June Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee and other documents. M., 1998
On, ignoramus, still from transcripts of the plenum of your "successful" - the Central Committee of the Communist Party of 1953:

You can’t tolerate further: no milk, there is little meat. They announced the transition from socialism to communism, and we do not sell flour. A what is communism without hot cakes, to put it roughly.

Voice from the Bureau. No potatoes.

- No potatoes.

Comrades, when we do not solve agricultural issues, when in the country lack of meat, lack of milk, lack of even potatoes, lack of cabbageHow is this power? .. After all, they will come to us and say: listen, dear comrades, you are teaching us how to build socialism, but you do not know how to grow potatoes in your home to provide for your people, you have no cabbage in the capital

Quote: Vladimir_2U

but there are such documents as well
о
- Resolution of the Politburo "On seeds for Ukraine" dated April 4, 1932 (RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 12. L. 84. P. 41/6).

IN A NORMAL country-RUSSIA, there was a state and public SYSTEM of fighting hunger (special grain supplies, etc.), with your idols it was destroyed, there were no stocks, and after the robbery grain procurements 1931 several tens of thousands of people died of hunger and only after that they gave out grain, earlier ...

Quote: Vladimir_2U

- Resolution of the Politburo "On sowing in the North Caucasus and Ukraine" (additional Semssud) from April 15 1933 (RGASPI, F. 17, Op. 162, D. 14. L. 122, P. 73/49).

after MILLIONS of deaths, they began to return what was taken from them earlier.
Maybe two pillars will help the Losers understand the difference?

[EvilLion]

post-WWI consumption level 1913, as a result of capitalist NEP

I'm even afraid to ask, but did the NEP somehow increase the amount of production? Have you started to smell more? Or maybe the yield has become more? Here are what specific measures contributed? Otherwise, you can declare communism, only there will be no more food from it. Now, when the collective farms with the equipment went, then there was more of it. They began to plow more and collect more from a hectare. As a result of specific investments in materiel, specialists and building org. structures that allow all this to be used, and not because Stalin announced something there. And no pizante of 1913 with a plow of the 18th century model, in principle, would not have plowed so much, and the harvest himself-3 himself-4, if completely lucky, then himself-7, would not have received. Because pure physics does not pull a horse against a tractor, but manure against high-grade fertilizers.

This is what amazes me most of all that people, like you, even banal physics do not understand that all modern good life is the result of the exclusively massive use of machines, which are several times, or even orders of magnitude, superior to the muscular strength of living beings. If there are no tractors and trucks, there will be hunger. In France, where the climate is better, less often, in Russia, where farming is risky, more often. And to complain about this is perhaps to the Sun, which heats badly.

NEP is just freedom of sale, in conditions of a deficit, free sale always leads to speculation and deprives the poorest part of the population of access to goods. It’s as if the law is not even economics, but nature, it doesn’t happen otherwise.

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

I'm even afraid to ask, but did the NEP somehow increase the amount of production?

if it didn’t come the first time: NEP, practically, RESTORED the consumption level of 1913

Quote: EvilLion

there will be no more food from this. Now, when the collective farms with the equipment went, then there was more of it.

died: permanent famine until the 1950s, in 1930,32,33,34,36,37,46,47-with starvation deaths and see CSB report 1955

Quote: EvilLion

They began to plow more and collect more from a hectare.

to smell more, but to collect more only with 1956 years and even then, not always.

Quote: EvilLion

does not pull a horse against a tractor, but manure, against high-grade fertilizers

does not pull, yes, but the Russian peasant "pulled", but the collective farmer had neither the desire nor the reason to "pull" - see. permanent LOSS of everything and everyone.

Quote: EvilLion

This is what amazes me most of all that people, like you, even banal physics do not understand that all modern good life is the result of the exclusively massive use of machines, which are several times, or even orders of magnitude, superior to the muscular strength of living beings. If there are no tractors and trucks, there will be hunger. In France, where the climate is better, less often, in Russia, where farming is risky, more often. And to complain about this is perhaps to the Sun, which heats badly.

why is this rambling empty chatter?.

Quote: EvilLion

NEP is just freedom of sale, in conditions of a deficit, free sale always leads to speculation and deprives the poorest part of the population of access to goods.

NEP restored the country's economy. "Only.

[EvilLion]

Once again, the level of consumption in 1913 was below any plinth, and the share of the rural population is an indicator of this, since the village produces nothing but food. In the army, in general, a decrease in the growth of recruits is recorded, who have not seen meat before being called up, and this kind of meat requires a lot of grain.

Grain yield in 1908 - 1912 in Russia there were 8 centners per hectare per circle, and in France and the USA - 12,4, in England - 20, in Holland - 22. In 1913, 30,3 poods of grain per capita were harvested in Russia. In the USA - 64,3 poods, in Argentina - 87,4 poods, in Canada - 121 poods. Thus, in terms of grain harvest per capita, the United States was two times ahead of Tsarist Russia, Argentina - three times, and Canada - four times. The maximum per capita grain production in agrarian Russia, which exported grain, was less than per capita production in the bad harvest years in the USSR, when up to 30 million tons of grain were still imported into the country.

https://proza.ru/2010/05/19/465

Your mental delusions, which are refuted by any reference book, do not bother me. The collective farm of 1937 totally surpasses the efficiency of the village of 1913, on the basis of which it was created, while it has fewer people, since some of them left for the city.

Russian man "pulled"

A man can pull until he breaks, but more than one man does not even have the power of one horsepower. Well, when the German liberators came, the peasant for some reason took a rifle for his collective farm, and did not run happily to meet those who would free him from collective farm slavery.

What is this incoherent idle chatter for?

To the fact that you have serious problems with the perception of a world in which physics rules, and not slogans. If there is no technology, there is no bread, even if the NEP, even the tsar, even Stalin, even Putin. I would recommend that you actually put your handles to work, so that later, when you see a KAMAZ or a tractor, or some other mechanism, you would give a prayer to its creators.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: EvilLion

To the fact that you have serious problems with the perception of a world in which physics rules, and not slogans.

Olgovich is the one, it's just that the world is not the same.

[place]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Olgovich is the one, it's just that the world is not the same

Whoever has problems with perception, and that and "the world is not the same."

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

Once again, consumption in 1913 was below the floor.

Once again for tankers: the baseboard level of consumption of Russia for your superpowers turned out to be UNAUTHIBLE and was their sweet dream for FORTY years!

Read even deceitful owl statistics - CSB Report 1955

Quote: EvilLion

Yours mental nonsense, which are refuted by any reference book, do not bother me. The collective farm of 1937 totally surpasses the efficiency of the village of 1913, on the basis of which it was created, while it has fewer people, since some of them left for the city.

poke your wife if you give.

А

Quote: EvilLion

your mental nonsense,

about the "mighty" kolkhoz 1937 smashes to the DEATH Report of the Central Statistical Board of 1955, where the production of food and fabrics in 1937 turned out to be much BELOW the level of 1913. And yes, do not forget that in 1937 the country was not only starving, but also dying of hunger in places - see above the message of the NKVD

Quote: EvilLion

A man can pull until he breaks, but more than one man does not even have the power of one horsepower.

with their manipulation, but the peasant's unwillingness to work, your "successful people" caught up with the yield of 1913 already by ... 1956!
Chop it on your forehead

Quote: EvilLion

To the fact that you have serious problems with the perception of a world in which physics rules, and not slogans. If there is no technology, there is no bread, even if the NEP, even the tsar, even Stalin, even Putin. I would recommend that you actually put your handles to work, so that later, when you see a KAMAZ or a tractor, or some other mechanism, you would give a prayer to its creators.

no tractor will plow if a person does not want to. And they didn't want to work with you, it was pointless.

Got it, "physicist"?

[zenion]

Olgovich. Have you tried to think at least a little, or for you it is beyond your power. You repeat after these, who ruined the USSR and began to explain why the USSR had to be killed, as if it was not they who led it. So they turned the sign over to the other side of the same ones and there was plenty of everything due to the fact that the people en masse do not have money to eat, as in the days of the USSR everything was normal, and not chemistry and physics. Apparently the dream of the imminent arrival of the Germans did not come true and this turned your memory of how good it was when you were not there.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Olgovich

: Report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR, the Institute of Economics of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR and the Institute of Nutrition of the Academy of Medical Sciences of the USSR HA Bulganin on the level of consumption of basic food and industrial products in the USSR per capita 1955
.. it came to what consumption?

Yes, that is true, well, consumption is so consumption, no one pulled Olgych by the tongue.

Quote: Olgovich

the level of food consumption in 1913 barely caught up in FORTY years

Consumption by the population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):

Bread products - 90
Potatoes - 204
Vegetables and melons - 165
Meat and lard - 119
Fish and fish products - 133
Milk and dairy products in milk - 114
Eggs - 175
Sugar - 258

From the same report. But after the 13th year there were both the First World War and the Civil and the Great Patriotic War, so Olgovich figures against your Russophobic stupidity. Well, from the same report,

Then, the average data on the nutrition of the population of tsarist Russia, as well as of other capitalist countries, are derived from heterogeneous values ​​characterizing the consumption of various classes of society - the bourgeoisie and the working people ...
..... For 1954, data were taken for an area comparable to the pre-revolutionary period.
Budget materials show that food for workers and peasants in 1954 on average per capita was in relation to the pre-revolutionary period (in percent):
Workers Peasants
Bread Products
97 83
Potato
125 226
Vegetables and melons
208 378
Meat and fat
143 185
Fish and fish by-products
174 N.s.
Milk and dairy products
308 191
Eggs
126 303
Sugar
208 322

Before the revolution, 788 budgets of workers' families and 958 budgets of families of poor and middle peasants were examined in the above-mentioned regions. With a small number of budgets surveyed, the data presented cannot claim strict accuracy, but they quite correctly show that the consumption of high-quality food products - vegetables and melons, meat and lard, milk, etc. dairy products, eggs and sugar.

https://istmat.info/node/18419
Here Olgych is in direct trouble, as what he quotes, either he is silent about something or brazenly misinterprets, although what to take from an Angloman-Russophobe.

Quote: Olgovich

after WWI, the level of consumption in 1913, as a result of the capitalist NEP, was almost reached already in 1928, but then, after the "achievements" of collectivization, there was a complete failure and HUNGER with millions of deaths

Well, Olgych puffs up almost convincingly, but he just missed that the famine in the Volga region of 1921-22 just fell on the years of the NEP, that's bad luck, and the NEP ended in 1928, right, that's just the failure of the food preparation in 27 years. And the failure with bread and meat after 28 AD and mass famine are directly related to the mass slaughter of meat and dairy and, more importantly, draft animals. No tax - no arable land - no harvest. This is obvious to anyone, except for the Holodomor and Russophobic Angolysis.

Quote: Olgovich

do not know that your "superpowers" and "successful people" already in 1963, with the LARGEST arable land in the world, were already forced to buy grain - 372,2 tons of gold were allocated for these purposes - more than a third of the gold reserves of the USSR.

Where does this figure come from? From the pen of Yegorushka Gaidar? We believe the figures, why not believe the figures from the great economist.
https://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/2457313
https://esli-mysli.livejournal.com/46102.html

Quote: Olgovich

And the total IMPORT of grain from 1961 to 1991 grew by ... THIRTY times! The USSR is the largest importer of grain (as well as meat, butter, etc.) in the world, and you have to be a complete heyot to consider this an "achievement" of the so-called "power".

Only an outright idiot and Russophobe believes that the purchase of food (even if you believe the figures from the great economists of our time Olgych and Gaidar) for the population and feed grain for cattle is a sign of the anti-nationality of the authorities. Is this what Ol'govich is showing himself with such visits? That's right, RUSOPHOB, deceitful and stupid.

Quote: Olgovich

Alshe cannot be tolerated: there is no milk, little meat. We have announced the transition from socialism to communism, but we do not sell flour. And what is communism without hot cakes, to put it bluntly.

We believe, and we believe in Khrushchev, but we remember that the hardest war with huge losses ended 8 years ago, that hundreds of nuclear weapons are aimed at Russia, and God forbid Russia has dozens of them without delivery means, we also remember the deceitful fan of the Anglo-Saxons Olgych.

Quote: Olgovich

IN A NORMAL country-RUSSIA, there was a state and public SYSTEM of the fight against hunger (special grain reserves, etc.), with your idols it was destroyed

It’s amazingly stupid to imagine that emergency supplies aren’t built up under centralized management.

Quote: Olgovich

after the predatory grain procurements in 1931, several tens of thousands of people died of hunger and only after that they gave out grain, earlier ...

The reason for the failure is known, disruption of the sowing campaign due to the massive slaughter of draft cattle. The Bolsheviks of course slammed this, but the sly-assed Ukrainian and other peasants backfired a hundred times.

Quote: Olgovich

after MILLIONS of deaths, they began to return what was taken from them earlier.
Maybe two pillars will help the Losers understand the difference?

Lie from Olgych is a familiar thing, they began to help with food as soon as it became clear that severe hunger was inevitable. In general, Olgovich's frank singing along with the Ukrainian Russophobes-Holodomor is indicative of who Olgovich would not imagine himself to be.

Note. The telegrams below are stored in the RGASPI (Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History), in brackets are the details (storage unit, case number and sheets)
(item xr. 12, fol. 149). p. 58/1 of May 25, 1932.
About sowing in Ukraine.
In view of the critical situation with sowing in Ukraine, to propose to a group of comrades - Yakovlev, Mikoyan, Markevich, Odintsov, headed by Comrade Molotov to leave for Ukraine today and, together with the Central Committee of the CP (b) U, take all measures to maximize the deployment of the sowing campaign.
(item xr. 12, fol. 153). p. 47 of 1.V.1932.
About the import of bread from Persia
(Comrades Rozengolts, Chernov, Kissin)
a) To confirm categorically the decision of the Politburo on the obligatory import of 3 million poods of grain from Persia by July 1.
b) Offer Kissin to leave for Baku, without advertising his departure, to organize the business of buying bread.
(item 12, sheet 152). p. 61/15 of 5.VI.1932.
About the delivery of bread to Ukraine.
To increase the plan for the delivery of grain to Ukraine in excess of the previously approved 6,5 m. [50] p. [51] by 1,6 m. due to export from Central Asia.
(item 13, sheet 30). p. 11 of 1.VIII. 1932.
About Persia.
Not object to the sale of military-style airplanes, saddles and military boots to the Persian government.
(item collection 13, fol. 47). 64/37 dated 23.X.1932.
On the use of wheat.
In order to save the consumption of wheat, the Central Committee decides:
a) The reduction in the export plan of grain crops of the 1932 harvest by 15 million poods shall be applied entirely to wheat.

[Reptiloid]

and after all there were after 13 years and 1 World and Civil ...

23.09.16/XNUMX/XNUMX --- the tsarist government announced a surplus appropriation.
And in February 17th, Rodzianko wrote to the tsar about the failure with the surplus appropriation ...
...... And after the October Revolution, an extremely difficult situation became in Petrograd. In the novel by Alexei Nikolaevich Tolstoy "Aelita", these hardships
and the behavior, thinking of people is very accurately described, depression and apathy from hunger. Although the novel itself is one of the first Russian science fiction works.
Enterprises did not work, transport, access to the sea was closed ..... Fuel and food were gone. There were no supplies of coal from Donetsk, oil from Baku, products from both Ukraine and Siberia.
From 1917 to 1920, the population of Petrograd decreased to 740000, before that it was 2420000, that is, more than 3 times. Someone was mobilized, someone was dying ...
Hunger, cholera, typhoid fever, Spanish flu. People tried to leave if possible.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Consumption by the population of the USSR in 1954 yearper capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):

firstly, it is written specifically for tbills that this is PRELIMINARY
secondly, it is confirmed that only after FORTY YEARS, by 1954 -CONTENDED 1913.! Before that, it was a complete pas. see report

Got it, no?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

that the famine in the Volga region in 1921-22 just fell on the years of the NEP

he only introduced in 1921 and just did not have time to earn. But then he RESTORED the economy of the country.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

... And the failure with bread and meat after 28 and mass famine are directly related to the mass slaughter of meat and dairy and, more importantly, draft cattle. No tax - no arable land - no harvest. This is obvious to anyone, except for the Holodomor and Russophobic Angloeys.

oh, why did the mass slaughter happen? Are people massively, millions of them crazy? For thousands of years they did not go, but then rrraz-and did they go massively? Have you got the wrong people again? Nope, this anti-people government has gone crazy with its illiterate "experiments and forced people to save YOUR GOOD from robbers. OWN- okay, no?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Where does this figure come from?

NNa: draft report of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, 1964

“Even more mistakes, and very serious ones, were made at the will, or rather, at the whim of Comrade Khrushchev in agriculture.

Last year, the country faced serious difficulties even with bread. In this regard, Comrade Khrushchev even suggested introducing a rationing system. And this is 20 years after the war. We were forced to allocate 860 tons of gold to buy grain from the capitalists

Did it get there?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

An outspoken idiot and Russophobe believes that the purchase of food (even if you believe the figures from the great economists of our time Olgych and Gaidar) for the population and feed grain for cattle is a sign of the anti-nationality of the authorities. Is this what Ol'govich is showing himself with such visits? That's right, RUSOPHOB, deceitful and stupid.

Only

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Only an outright idiot and a Russophobe are deceitful and stupid.

may assume that for the largest arable land in the world purchase for the scarcest currency / gold of HUNDREDS OF MILLION tons of grain is ... a great success. s / farms and this is not a sign of anti-people power

Quote: Vladimir_2U

We believe, and we believe in Khrushchev, but we remember that 8 years ago the hardest war ended with huge losses, that hundreds of nuclear weapons were aimed at Russia, and God forbid Russia has dozens of them without means of delivery,

before the war, it was EVEN worse, WITHOUT any war: in 1937 people died of hunger and ate patal, read the history and mathematics and D CSU 1955, ignorant

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The reason for the failure is known, disruption of the sowing campaign due to the massive slaughter of draft cattle. The Bolsheviks, of course, slammed it, but here cunning peasants ashrank a hundredfold.

what kind of anti-people one must be in order to write about the millions of COUNTRIES who have been driven to despair, ruin, hunger, death by the inept government.
The power had no right to unharness the PROPERTY of the collective farm-bread and beat out from people wild percentages from what existed only in the heads of the Itoits mythical "good" harvest.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Lie from Olgych is a familiar thing, they began to help with food as soon as it became clear that severe hunger was inevitable.

these are chronological FACTS for the ignorant and ignorant: catastrophic harvests from the harvest of 1931-death of tens of thousands-help to the starving-catastrophic harvests from the harvest of 32 grams-death of millions-help

Quote: Vladimir_2U

e singing along with Olgovich to Ukrainian Russophobes-Holodomor

this is only for Russophobes / traitors to the Russian people New Russia, where the main pestilence from hunger of people occurred, is "ukra
other ", created by national traitors in the Russian lands in 1918.

And for normal people it is Russia.
Did it get there?

Are we silent about the rest of the points? silent ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Olgovich

firstly, it is written specifically for tbills that this is PRELIMINARY
Secondly

This is how much you need to be a wretched mind to consider that PRELIMINARY refers to words Consumption by the population of the USSR in 1954 year per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period AMOUNTED, and even from the 1955 report. With her level of command of the Russian language and elementary logic, Olgych simply disgraces the title of Russophobe.

Quote: Olgovich

by 1954 - CAPTURED 1913.! Before that, it was a complete pas. see report

It is how stupid it is to be stupid to write such stupidity, seeing specific numbers. In 1954, food consumption even increased on average from one and a half to two times !.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Budget materials show that food for workers and peasants in 1954 on average per capita was in relation to the pre-revolutionary period (as a percentage):
Workers Peasants
Bread Products
97 83
Potato
125 226 ....
... Meat and lard
143 185
Fish and fish by-products
174 N.s.
Milk and dairy products
308 191
Eggs
126 303
Sugar
208 322

But the percentage of the peasantry in the country's population has dropped significantly. Is it really Olgych who does not know how to operate with interest? This is what level Russophobes have now ...

Quote: Olgovich

that the famine in the Volga region in 1921-22 just fell on the years of the NEP
fool it was only introduced in 1921 and simply did not have time to earn. But then he RESTORED the economy of the country.

Olgych's stupidity in this matter is forgivable, because he is at odds with interest, the Russian language and elementary logic, but here is knowledge of history and political economy.
The NEP only (although this is a lot) saturated the market with consumer goods (mostly simple ones) and restored the economic connection between the village and the city. The NEPmans did not produce a pound of grain or meat. And there was no severe famine during the heyday of the NEP only due to normal harvests and weather.

Quote: Olgovich

oh, why did the mass slaughter happen? Are people massively, millions of them crazy? For thousands of years they did not go, but then rrraz-and did they go massively? Have you got the wrong people again? Nope, it was the anti-people government that went crazy with its illiterate "experiments. It made people save their goods from the robbers. OWN-got it, didn't it?"

Does Olgych really think that the Ukrainian, and not only, peasants did the right thing by slaughtering draft cattle en masse? Olgych sincerely believes that the destruction of the BASIS of grain growing is such a salvation of property ?!
Okay, the peasants, the same degenerates as Ol'gych could have dirtied their minds, they say, the collective farms still have new oxen, or even a tractor will be given out, but they will send bread if anything. But now that stupid paskudstvo about SALVATION of property by means of destruction write, you need to be a complete imbezzil.

Quote: Olgovich

may consider that with the largest arable land in the world, the purchase for the scarcest currency / gold of HUNDREDS OF MILLION tons of grain is ... a great success. s / farms and this is not a sign of anti-people power

Uneducated subjects can, of course, imagine (they do not know how to count ) that the largest arable land is firstly the most fertile, and secondly, exclusively for grain.
But only the mournful mind can imagine that the purchase of food and grain (and in many respects fodder) for gold / currency in case of failure or failure of the harvest is a sign of economic insolvency and anti-nationality of the authorities. And a person with a brain, and not a Russophobic crumb in his head, will have a question: where does the weak state get gold and currency, and why the cannibalistic anti-people regime buys food for him instead of, I don’t know, Faberge eggs or champagne for bathing ballerinas or singers.

Quote: Olgovich

what kind of anti-people one must be in order to write about the millions of COUNTRIES who have been driven to despair, ruin, hunger, death by the inept government.

Ay, mournful mind, no matter how sorry people are, but the authorities did not force them to cut the BASIS of their life, the basis of grain growing is draft cattle. But such degenerates as Olgych sang to the peasants about: no right to dispose of power by OWNERSHIP and about save YOUR property from robbers. ITS-got it, not

Quote: Olgovich

before the war, it was EVEN worse, WITHOUT any war: in 1937 people died of hunger and ate patal, read the history and mathematics and D CSU 1955, ignorant

These excesses that took place were not massive, in the first place, unlike the constant hunger strikes of the peasants at least until 1913, whatever Olgych was hysterical, and secondly, they were the result of the stupidity of local bosses, it is possible that with the level of Olgych's thinking.

Quote: Olgovich

The authorities had no right to dispose of the PROPERTY of the collective farm with bread and to beat out of the people wild percentages from the mythical "good" harvest that existed only in the minds of the Itoits.

What a wretched Olgovich, he took power according to the contracting plan her grain, who knew about the "property rescuers" who cut the tax and disrupted the sowing season.

Quote: Olgovich

these are chronological FACTS for the ignorant and ignorant: catastrophic harvests from the harvest of 1931-death of tens of thousands-help to the starving-catastrophic harvests from the harvest of 32 grams-death of millions-help

What kind of debbilism? Part of the telegrams clearly indicates the first half of 1932, when the crop was not yet harvested!

Quote: Olgovich

this is only for the Russophobes / traitors of the Russian people. New Russia, where the main pestilence from hunger of people took place, is "Ukraine" created by national traitors on Russian lands in 1918.

What lamentations, that's just a stupid lie about the Holodomor and the Russophobes-Ukronazis used by Olgovich. What about the duck? Flies, swims and quacks - it means a duck! Weaving nonsense about the Holodomor, it means a Russophobe.

Quote: Olgovich

Are we silent about the rest of the points? silent ...

To answer this debbilism or what?

Quote: Olgovich

Advanced science is the experience of scientific workers sticking up to the top, etc. in the mud of the main fields for harvesting potatoes, etc., on which tens of millions of working hours were spent and still a THIRD of an already meager harvest went under the "superpowers" under the snow and in the mud.

Quote: Olgovich

IN A NORMAL country - RUSSIA - there was a state and public SYSTEM of the fight against hunger (special grain reserves, etc.), with your idols it was destroyed, there were no stocks

And Olgych will answer a couple of questions, which are not difficult for a normal person, for example:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But who forced the dealers and the nobility to drive bread to Europe in any year, even the Tsar-hunger, or simply hunger, there is no answer.

Or this: even if you believe that after 1891 no one went hungry in Russia, then where are the reports of the police, gendarmes or some secret police about the famine before 1891? Where?

[citizen]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

How many years passed from 1922 to 1947 Soviet power and how many years until 1891 the tsarist power?

But the Soviet government managed to starve the people to death for more than 25 years of the Russian Empire during these 200 years.

[EvilLion]

Olegovich, stop creating accounts.

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

Olegovich, stop creating accounts.

Why this flood?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: burger

But the Soviet government managed to starve the people to death for more than 25 years of the Russian Empire during these 200 years.

Yes? In the blasphemous howls of the famine-mongers like Olgovich?

[Moore]

It is useless for the stubborn conventional Khvorobyov (see "The Golden Calf") to explain something intelligible and objective.
They still dream about the arrival of the sovereign-emperor to Kostroma.
It would be their will - the peasants would still be flogged in the stable, but the serf girls would be spoiled.
It is unclear who they would have been at that time.

[Proxima]

Quote: Olgovich

VORovtsev: in Russia there was a system of imperial food capital with grain warehouses in case of famine, a system of state public works, state. loans (forgiven later), help from the zemstvo, public charity, church, landowners ...

The idyll is complete I was already deeply moved Only for some reason the Russian Empire was constantly shaken by riots. Narodnaya Volya hunted Alexander the "Liberator" like a wild boar and finally finished him off. And the cherry on top - three (!!!) revolutions. Oh yes, I completely forgot It is the Germans who are to blame, they put Lenin in a sealed carriage and let him cure! Stop , his brother Alexander, who was executed for attempted murder of the emperor, who gave the money? Probably Germans too ... Or maybe the Author did correctly reveal the topic in the article? Russian monarchs delayed the solution of the peasant question for at least a hundred years, which is not surprising, if they were quicker, the Russian nobility would have "delayed" them. As a result, we got a logical result.

[Reptiloid]

..... Russian monarchs delayed the solution of the peasant question for at least a hundred years .....

They would continue to do this, the landlords were happy with everything.
It was only after the Patriotic War of 1812 that grain ceased to be sold. And the landowners (including the Decembrists) immediately started talking about the liberation of the peasants. It was supposed to be without land !!! And how would this serf live THEN.
The liberation of the peasants took place when the landlords mortgaged> 60% of their land, and they COULD NOT buy them out on their own.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Proxima

Narodnaya Volya hunted like a wild boar and finally finished him off.

and how many "boars" were overwhelmed by the following "hunters", so nowhere in the world and in history was this: the entire first composition of the Politburo of the VKPB, the Organizing Bureau, the SNK, 75% of the Central Committee of 1934, the Presidential Council of Ministers and deputies, the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council, the Chief General Staff, marshals, and a lot their rank is less, less, do not count at all.

Quote: Proxima

The Germans are to blame, they put Lenin in a sealed carriage and let him cure! Stop, and to his brother Alexander, who was executed for attempted murder of the emperor, who gave the money?

so the whole Ulyanovskaya family was such a maniac-criminal: do you remember the Ovechkin family too? But at least these gave birth, but those, apart from the ugliness of murders, were not capable of anything.

Quote: Proxima

Or maybe the Author did correctly reveal the topic in the article?

I have indicated incorrect information in the article (not all, of course, this is an article in response to write)

Quote: Proxima

? Russian monarchs delayed the solution of the peasant question for at least a hundred years

they practically solved it, and with them there was not enough land for the rapidly growing people (they were given in Siberia, SrAsia, the Caucasus, turning them into RUSSIA), and the following "successful people" were dying out, as a result of "achievements" the people were already heap land that nobody needs, that there is nobody began to process

Quote: Proxima

As a result, we got a logical result.

As a result, we got a natural result - a catastrophe of 91 g and a Russian cross.

[EvilLion]

And only Stalin, as a comic supervillain, was invulnerable.

[New Year day]

Quote: Proxima

The Russian Empire was constantly shaken by riots.

Under the Bolsheviks, they were not even in the USSR?

[EvilLion]

Ended in the 1920s. Yes, and these riots are some kind of kulak in essence.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Silvestr

Under the Bolsheviks, they were not even in the USSR?

They certainly did not shake, even the notorious Antonovites drank blood, but no more. And this was during the Soviet-Polish war.

[Moore]

Quote: Proxima

if they were quicker, the Russian nobility would have "delayed" them.

There is an interesting hit cycle "The Emperor of Steel" by Sergei Vasiliev. There, by the will of higher beings, the consciousness of the IVS, dying at his dacha, is infused into the carcass of Nikola the Slabovolny.
In that alternative version of history, the nobility was "pulled back" by the "Father of Nations", destroying all class privileges, the transfer of the title by inheritance, etc. Well, even before the heap, he stopped financing all this grand-ducal kublo from the budget of the Republic of Ingushetia and returned their real estate to the treasury. It turned out funny ...

[ABC-schutze]

I join in the congratulations to the author ...

He concludes quite rightly:
“Yes, and in the cities it was hard, after the construction of factories they did not have time to build housing stock, hospitals, schools, the shake-up of the village led to rationing and a shortage of food ... But be that as it may, they coped. And the famine of 1932-1933 was the last hunger from a whole series of disasters caused by the transition from a traditional society to an industrial society. "

And you, if it doesn't make it difficult, congratulate the imperial ministers, "chicks" of Nicholas # 2 ...

Minister of Agriculture (since 1915) A. Naumov, - "Russia actually does not get out of the state of hunger, now in one province, now in another" ...

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia V. Lamzdorf, - "There is no passage from those asking for bread. They are surrounded everywhere with a crowd. The picture is heartbreaking. Typhus and scurvy are caused by hunger."

Just in case...

The first and second "Russian" episodes, under the "reign" of ONE and the SAME mediocrity, are separated by a period of time of TWELVE years ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: ABC-schütze

He concludes quite rightly:

he is not telling the truth

Quote: ABC-schütze

And you, if it doesn't make it difficult, congratulate the imperial ministers, "chicks" of Nicholas # 2 ...

Minister of Agriculture (since 1915

WORLD WAR is on, yes, but in Russia there is NO hunger at all, and NOBODY dies of hunger in the rear, as it was in the next war

Quote: ABC-schütze

They surround you everywhere with a crowd. The picture is heartbreaking

what other "heartbreaking"?

I wonder how from something like this:

17 March 1933 city
TSA FSB of the Russian Federation. F. 2. Op. 11. D. 42. L. 74, 75, 76, 77, 78. The original.
Excerpts from the doc:

VOLODAR DISTRICT. In the village of Rudoye, having left 3 young children at home, I **** left the village. Having absolutely no food, by agreement with the elder sister, a 9-year-old boy killed a 3-year-old girl (sister), after which they cut off her head and eat corpse meat raw.
CHERNYAKHOVSKY DISTRICT. In the village of Andreev, poor Zh *** died due to malnutrition. 11-year-old boy - with a knife he opened the belly of the deceased father, took out the insides and prepared them to cook.
VINNYTSIA REGION ...
In the village of Pinkovka, poor collective farmer K ***, 50 years old, killed his two daughters, 7 and 9 years old, whose meat he ate for food. and
and so forth

the readers have not gone mad, but you even understand yours and see nothing supernatural.

[ABC-schutze]

Well, actually, in the "world war" you mentioned, the mediocrity mentioned by me on the throne drove Russia unnecessarily.

Regarding "there is no hunger in Russia at all," with this opus, please, not to me, but to citizen Naumov. You and Nicholas # 2 appointed him minister of agriculture. You and him and "discuss" where it is he "not crawling out of hunger" managed to catch a glimpse of Russia ...

And, "before the company" of the tsarist general Danilov, invite to the discussion. And then it is painfully loud, he, half a stay in the rear, echoes Minister Naumov ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Well, actually, in the "world war" you mentioned, the mediocrity mentioned by me on the throne drove Russia unnecessarily.

then apply the same to WWII

Quote: ABC-schütze

Regarding "there is no hunger in Russia at all," with this opus, please, not to me, but to citizen Naumov.

You see, what was "hunger" in Russia was called a well-fed life under yours. secured people, and millions of starvation deaths were all just "industrial difficulties"

Quote: ABC-schütze

And, "to the company"

you can and to the company:

Special communication of the secret political department of the OGPU on labor difficulties in certain regions of the North Caucasus region
7 March 1933 city
CA FSB RF. F. 2. Op. 11.D. 42.

Station Novo-Shcherbinovskaya. In the 3rd brigade of the collective farm, E ***'s wife hacked to death and ate her 3-year-old child.

The cemetery found up to 30 corpses thrown out during the night, part of the corpses bitten by dogs. The corpse of the collective farmer REZNIK was cut in half, without legs, and several coffins were found there, from which the corpses disappeared.

In the 3rd brigade, the wife of S *** drags the corpses of children from the cemetery and eats them. A search of the apartment and the interrogation of the children of C *** found that several corpses were taken from the cemetery for food

And so on and so forth.

Just remember, there was no such thing in Russia

[EvilLion]

In Russia, this happened every few years and did not surprise anyone. Stop writing your nonsense. In fact, any country in the world before the complete mechanization of agriculture risked, to one degree or another, hunger.

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

In Russia, this happened every few years and did not surprise anyone. Stop writing your nonsense.

I see your delirium unfounded: even great. propagandists did not dare to write about hunger deaths in Russia in the 20th century, and there was no trace of cannibalism and eating patali, as during your muhanizations, in Russia.

[zenion]

Here he was completely crazy, even though he was mad. And what led to the mass famine and murders in the United States? Who started the Second World War, so as not to fall apart and now wants a third world war, to stay alive. It seems that people have not yet put blinders on, like on horses, but there are those who have blinders on as if in ward No. 6. You come to the point that the last word remains with you, that you begin to confront yourself. In the Ukraine they talk about such people, but the Russian word is dunce.

[EvilLion]

The funny thing is that I even believe that there seems to be no hunger, or rather, it does not exceed usual, since the landowners who were driving grain for export lost such an opportunity, they had to sell only at home, and the German bullets reduced the number of eaters, At the same time, several million peasants were seized from the overpopulated village, who ate more than they produced, in wartime you can buy them stewed meat for gold over the hill, how will we pay later, well, somehow. Here in the wake of the war, if such a Second World War in the rear, no one was dying for sure, and even at the front, the soldiers were not fed, only if the encirclement or the supply was disturbed, otherwise you wouldn’t rustle the levers in the tank, and you wouldn’t run to the attack.

But when the country had already collapsed and the landowners' estates began to be destroyed, then the general production of grain, of course, fell, the distribution of land to the peasants in view of their lack of agricultural technology, of course, does not solve anything. It was not for nothing that Lenin urged to make state farms from the estates, he understood that the Pisants would not effectively use it themselves. Well, since the Pisants did not want to sell the bread of the year since 1916, at least, since then the surplus appropriation began, the experience that the Bolsheviks later used, then the bread also ceased to come to the cities. After that, food detachments, with soldiers, as expected, went from cities to villages. Not because the Bolsheviks are bad and evil, but because people want to eat, and if the village does not give bread, then the townspeople and the army will simply take it away.

And until some new agricultural organization, this problem could not be solved.

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

The funny thing is that I even believe that there is no hunger, or rather, it does not exceed usual

only ichiots believe, and people check and know this FACT of a non-hungry life. Russia is the ONLY belligerent country where there was no hunger

Quote: EvilLion

the villages seized several million peasants, who ate more than they produced, in wartime you can buy them stewed meat for gold over the hill, how will we pay later, well, somehow.

as you exactly described the Second World War and lendlizovskuyu stew.

Here in the wake of the war, if such a Second World War in the rear, no one was dying for sure

so you in general, I do not look at Copenhagen or anything, it's about the Second World War, nna: with

special reports of the NKGB Directorate for the Sverdlovsk region during the war years testify to hunger, illness and death in the city of Asbest. For the IV quarter of 1943 there were registered
34 deaths from dystrophy, and in the 1st quarter of 1944 there were already 137 deaths. Among those killed from hunger were 19 children under the age of 14, special messages contain information about cases of cannibalism and corpse-eating. Children were the most common victims of cannibalism. So, in the working village of Verkhnyaya Pyshma, some
parents' daughter, ten years old, disappeared. As a result of the investigation, it was established that
that the child met a neighbor in the store and asked her for a piece of bread. That
called the child to her home, where she promised to give bread. At home, the girl was killed, receivedm with human meat, this neighbor fed her childrenand
sold it on the market. Cases of corpse eating were also noted in the documents. So,
An investigation carried out in the village of Chernousovo, Beloyarsk District, found that one of the families living there was engaged in cannibalism and sold on the market jellied human meat.

Quote: EvilLion

Not because the Bolsheviks are bad and evil, but because people want to eat, and if the village does not give bread, then the townspeople and the army will simply take it away.

they are not evil, they are simply tbilis, who could not do ANYTHING in life, because they never worked as anyone and did not understand anything, and from all the economic "mntds who knew only to take away and shoot.

[for]

Quote: ABC-schütze

and how many "boars" were filled up by the following "hunters",

I would like to ask the victim of repression and hunger, how did you survive?

[EvilLion]

In 1947, they exported something of the order of 5 million tons, bought a bunch of them. Total minus there is perhaps a million tons, on a national scale, nothing. It's just senseless for you to even show official documents. You will keep repeating about some saint of 1913, although any person just looking at a country in which at the beginning of the 20th century 85% of the rural population should immediately ask how backward agriculture is in it, that 85% feed 15% ... At the same time, Russia also managed to be the only country in the world that, having its own consumption below the norm (EMNIP 400 poods per person per year), also managed to export bread.

[Olgovich]

Quote: EvilLion

In 1947, they exported something of the order of 5 million tons, and bought a bunch of them. Total minus there is perhaps a million tons, on a national scale, nothing. Just you it makes no sense even to show official documents.

you will poke your wife if she gives it.

Nna: from the report of the year to the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Moldova and the chairman of the Council of Ministers on the situation in the Gagauz villages, February 1947

“On the way from Ceadir-Lunga to Kongaz, there were corpses that had been unselected for a long time ..

The village council informed me about the situation. On the night before my arrival, four terrible facts of murder and cannibalism were revealed. Eating corpses has become widespread, with dying old women asking their children and grandchildren to eat their corpses, promising them forgiveness of sins and salvation. Facts of the theft of corpses brought but not buried in the cemetery were noted.

The village council did not have exact data on the state of the population. Twenty-six people were reported to have died in the past day. He offered to immediately conduct a round-trip. Revealed seventy-three bodies. Most of the corpses were hidden in sheds, cellars, attics, in snowdrifts. A significant part of the corpses had their flesh and limbs cut off.

The same round made it possible to collect more than a hundred orphans who were in cold rooms, without supervision, in a state of fainting ... "

study the monographs of B. G. Bomeshko "Drought and famine in Moldova 1946-1947" - there are a lot of such documents

Quote: EvilLion

You will keep repeating about some saint 1913

it turned out to be a saint for your inept, because your "successful people" barely caught up with his level of food, ldezhda, housing in FORTY years - read the CSB Report 1955, even the false owls statistics admitted that fact.
Did it get there?

[ammunition]

Quote: Olgovich

then I bought it for gold and currency from the lost damned capitalists ....... butter

In 1984, the USSR produced and consumed! 42% of the world production of butter.
Produced and 1840 thousand tons of natural butter. With a world production of 4.3 million tons. I consumed a little more.
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Even according to cards (coupons), 0.5 kg per month per person was supposed. Thus, a family of 3 ate a month about 2 kg of natural butter. (additional 0.5 kg from other sources, e.g. canteens)
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Which family of 3 people now eats 2 kg of natural butter per month? None.
Now the average monthly consumption of butter (often not entirely natural) for a family of 3 people is 200-300 grams.

[Olgovich]

Quote: ammunition

In 1984, the USSR produced and consumed! 42% of the world production of butter.

talking about vegetable oil

Quote: ammunition

What a family of 3 people is now eatingt 2 kg natural butter per month? None.

only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the west and how many years they live longer

[Foul skeptic]

only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the west and how many years they live longer

1) Explain this to the long-lived peoples of the Caucasus, in whose kitchen everything just floats in butter.
2) Have you yourself seen how much butter is eaten in the West, what are you writing this nonsense?
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/visuel/2017/11/04/production-et-consommation-de-beurre-pourquoi-les-stocks-diminuent_5210145_4355770.html
Already in 2021 and in the seventh decade of life (if this is true), it would be possible to discern unfair competition from manufacturers of vegetable oils made from cheap raw materials. In the West, we have looked at ten years already. And for a long time there has been an increased demand for butter.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

1) Explain this to the long-lived peoples of the Caucasus, in whose kitchen everything just floats in butter.

в animal fat they all swim

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And you yourself saw how much butter they eat in the West, write this nonsense?

ridiculous mentor tone from nonsense and ignorant and ignorant funny:

official recommendations for healthy eating from World Health Organization:

replace butter, lard and ghee vegetable oilsrich in polyunsaturated fats such as soybean, canola (rapeseed), corn, safflower and sunflower oil; ...

It is necessary to give preference unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as sunflower, soy, canola and olive oil) contrast to saturated fat (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee and lard)

Got it, no?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

.lemonde.fr

just about: into its tube and there, there - by appointment

[Foul skeptic]

everything floats in animal fat

1) Will you tell me about Caucasian cuisine? I can assume that you run out of it on meat dishes, if you have frozen such another nonsense.
2) Is this butter, forgive me, not animal, or not fat?

Official Healthy Diet Guidelines from the World Health Organization

There is no need to hide behind weather vane from WHO in your specific stupidity, I remind you:

Quote: Olgovich

only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the west and how many years they live longer

You were shown that in the West, in prosperous countries, they eat a lot of butter and their consumption is increasing. Therefore, your specific phrase is not correct. Even if you hang yourself on the ballots, it will not change this fact.

just about: into its tube and there, there - by appointment

Did the publication provide incorrect data? Prove it.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

1) Will you tell me about Caucasian cuisine? I can assume that you end up with meat dishes,

yes, I guess for a long time that I'm not

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

2) Is this butter, forgive me, not animal, or not fat?

the poor are always forgiven, yes, but everything floats not in butter

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

No need to hide behind weather vane from WHO in your particular dullness,

wow, how offended something vile osta.

Nothing more balanced and authoritative than World Health Organization the world has not yet invented it, but you can accept it or not accept it - shoulder it.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Showed you

yes, it’s your mine, I didn’t look, where did you get it?

Eat it yourself or in a tube and - at the address
Nna:

- Germany 2019:
The need for oil decreased by 2,8% to 5,84 kg per person per kilogram of product.

the dairynews.r

Those. a family of 3 people does not eat 2kg a month.
Got it, no?

remember:

World Health Organization:

replace butter, lard and ghee with vegetable oils,

Unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as sunflower, soybean, rapeseed and olive oil) should be preferred over saturated fats (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee and lard)

Do not thank.

[Foul skeptic]

yes, I guess for a long time that I'm not

Oh how. Always carry a skull compass with you? Is there a mustache with a brush and an undercut too?

floats all not butter cow butter

Do you speak from experience? Or what research was done? You leave your fantasies to yourself, do not make people laugh.

There is nothing more balanced and authoritative than the World Health Organization, the world has not yet invented, and you can accept it or not accept it - shoulder.

Yes to your health! But this does not change the fact that in the West, in prosperous countries, they eat a lot of butter and its consumption is increasing. Therefore, your specific phrase is not correct. Even if you hang yourself on the ballots, it will not change this fact.

yes, it’s your mine, I didn’t look, where did you get it?

I have not read it, but I condemn it. It's clear.
Look. You will become smarter, you can write less nonsense.

Nna:
- Germany 2019:
The need for oil decreased by 2,8% to 5,84 kg per person per kilogram of product.

the dairynews.r

You are so stupid that you cite an article in the "proof" where it is clearly written:

The reason for the minus in 2018, according to the German Farmers' Association, is that butter this year was significantly more expensive than before, so some consumers did not decide in favor of this dairy product.

“German consumers are very price sensitive,” notes Berger. At the same time, in the long term, oil consumption is stable or even slightly increases.
https://www.dairynews.ru/news/potreblenie-molochnoy-produktsii-v-germanii-snizha.html

Those. a family of 3 people does not eat 2kg a month.
Got it, no?

Average per capita consumption in the USSR in the 80s was 6-7 kg per year. For a conventional family of three - 1,5-1,75 kg per month. In Germany now for the same conventional family of three the same 1,5 kg per month.
Has it come to a conclusion that it is necessary to compare a family of 3 people with a family of 3 people, and not 3 people and 1 person, an accountant?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Oh how. Always carry a skull compass with you?

oh so. And what is wrong? (In dishes).

And compasses are what hurts someone ...
and yes, a normal person would never think of that ...

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

From experience say ?.

yes I saw more than once, something scary / disgusting swims in disgusting stinking hot lamb fat, ... "dishes". Brrr .....

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

But this does not change the fact that in the West, in prosperous countries, they eat a lot of butter and its consumption is increasing. Therefore, your specific phrase is not correct.

absolutely true: they are so vile that they cannot see the statistics of oil consumption in Germany: in just 20 years, consumption fell from 6,7 kg in 1999 to 5,82 kg in 2019 15% less.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Take a look. You will become smarter

you didn’t, but to others ... you advise , ugly like, yes.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

a family of 3 with a family of 3, not 3 people and 1 person, an accountant?

I'm sorry that I thought too well of you and found you able to divide the given annual rate per person by 12 and multiply by three to get the consumption per month for a family of 3 people. I won't do it anymore.

REMEMBER:

The World Health Organization STRONGLY recommends:

replace butter, lard and ghee with vegetable oils,

Preference should be given to unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as in sunflower, soy, canola and olive oil) as opposed to saturated fat (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee, and lard)

Do not thank.

[Foul skeptic]

and yes, a normal person would never think of that ...

It would not occur to a normal person to differentiate along ethnic lines.

yes I saw more than once, something scary / disgusting swims in disgusting stinking hot lamb fat, ... "dishes". negative Brrr .....

This is what was required to find out from you - you are neither dream nor spirit about the cuisine of the peoples of the Caucasus and culinary diversity. But for some reason, puff yourself up to talk on this topic.

absolutely true: they are so vile that they cannot see the statistics of oil consumption in Germany: in just 20 years, consumption fell from 6,7 kg in 1999 to 5,82 kg in 2019, 15% less.

And from 2010 to 2020 it grew from 5,9 kg to 6,3 kg. Stop juggling choosing convenient numbers in convenient countries. World consumption of butter in 2012-2017 increased by 9,7% with population growth by 6%, in the European Union by 6% in the absence of population growth. The indicator temporarily subsided after the "horror stories" about the dangers of butter, when these horror stories were debunked, everything began to return to normal. And now in the European Union, it depends only on the wallet of the Europeans, since in Europe there is a shortage of oil because of China, which began to eat it 6 times more in 9 years.

I'm sorry that I thought too well of you and found you able to divide the given annual rate per person by 12 and multiply by three to get the consumption per month for a family of 3 people. I won't do it anymore.

Do you get different numbers from mine? What do I have to do with this? For you, for example, April 12-13 is 1 day, not 2 or 527,53 dollars> 3204,1 dollars, etc. But this is not my problem, you must agree, but your loved ones.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It would not occur to a normal person to differentiate along ethnic lines.

a compass will not fly into the head of a normal person.

How can he not see the differentiation in the statement?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

This is what was required to find out from you - you are neither dream nor spirit about the cuisine of the peoples of the Caucasus and culinary diversity.

Why do I need this ram-stinking mo?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Stop juggling choosing convenient numbers in convenient countries.

what is enough for me is no one to decide.

And I took the country closest to me in my family, In Italy, by the way, 2,4 kg, 2,5 times less than Germany.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

World consumption of butter in 2012-2017 increased by 9,7% p

I'm talking about literate humanity.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Do you get different numbers from mine? What do I have to do with this?

I get the right numbers, yours are on my side

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

... But this is not my problem, you must agree, but your loved ones.

you are the problem of your loved ones

[Foul skeptic]

a compass will not fly into the head of a normal person. fool

What is this stream of consciousness? Why do compasses come to your head?

How can he not see the differentiation in the statement?

Chauvinist creed?

Why do I need this ram-stinking mo?

And I don't know why you are trying to pass off some kind of "shit" as Caucasian cuisine in a conversation where you mentioned the fact that a lot of butter is used in the Caucasus.

In Italy, by the way, 2,4 kg, 2,5 times less than Germany.

Should they consume more? What are the reasons from kindergarten? In Italy, desire stumbles upon opportunities, southern Italians are poor, butter is not for them, so consumption is 100% correlated with rising / falling prices. And the north, especially the northeast of Italy, is culturally close to the Austrians and Germans, and wealthy enough, so they love oil there and can afford it.

I'm talking about literate humanity.

Did you decide not to notice the 6% growth in the European Union?

I get the right numbers, yours are on my side

Correct the crown, slipped

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What is this stream of consciousness? Why do compasses come to your head?

he flew to the vile in the upper limb:

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Compass for measuring skulls always

Sclerosis already?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Chauvinist creed?

Glitches?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And I don't know why you are trying to pass off some kind of "shit" for Caucasian cuisine in a conversation where mentioned the factthat a lot of butter is used in the Caucasus.

Did I mention ?! Nna your yu:

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Explain this to the long-lived peoples of the Caucasus, in whose cuisine everything just floats in butter.

and not some, but a disgusting stinking, disgustingly fatty, stinking about

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What are the reasons from kindergarten? In Italy, desire stumbles upon opportunities, southern Italians are poor, butter is not for them, so consumption is 100% correlated with rising / falling prices. And the north, especially the northeast of Italy, is culturally close to the Austrians and Germans, and wealthy enough, so they love oil there and can afford it.

Didn't leave the kindergarten, that's why your arguments are as follows.
Italians traditionally consume more vegetable oilsl, in particular, olive,, there is such a thing as the Mediterranean diet, recommended for fattrests of fat eaters.

the Germans have a fall, like the Italians.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Correct the crown, slipped

but you have nailed nails to death, but with irreparable damage ...

[Foul skeptic]

Sclerosis already?

And, so you just do not understand what a "compass for measuring skulls" is and why its mention is appropriate in relation to a person who sticks labels with negative connotations on others, like "non-Russians".

Chauvinist creed?

fool Glitches?

You are cowardly, in addition to stupidity and chauvinism. They would hit themselves in the chest with a fist and proudly proclaim their nationalism. But no.

Did I mention ?!

The phrase "in a conversation where they mentioned" means the very fact of the mention, and does not indicate the person who mentioned. Is it so hard for you to understand?

and not some, but a disgusting stinking, disgustingly fatty, stinking, for some reason called "cuisine

You probably don't understand what you look like when you put this out for everyone to see.

Italians, on the other hand, traditionally consume more vegetable oils, in particular olive oil, there is such a thing as a Mediterranean diet, recommended for fat-eating fat-eaters.

the Germans have a fall, like the Italians.

And who says that Italians consume more animal oils than vegetable oils? Above on the first attempt to translate the arrows "In Italy, by the way, 2,4 kg, 2,5 times less than Germany." you were immediately answered - "Should you consume more?" You just need to understand that traditions arise for a reason, out of the blue - being determines consciousness.
Yes, the drop in the European Union from 2027 thousand tons to 2152 thousand tons in 5 years, in the USA from 792 thousand tons to 870 thousand tons over the same 5 years.
But even if you close your eyes to this, you do not even realize that even if in fact there was a drop in the last decade, then the figure you quoted for 1999 in Germany is 6,7 kg per person per year - this is the same level consumption as in the USSR in the 80s. And therefore, where the conversation began

Quote: Olgovich

only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the west and how many years they live longer

is only a statement by a malevolent person with double standards.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And, so you just do not understand what a "compass for measuring skulls" is and why its mention is appropriate in relation to a person,

I do not understand the delirium of individuals with a painful inferiority complex with a "head" pierced by a compass (there are a lot of them, yes)

Let me remind you that it was about the KITCHEN
(I guessed for a long time that he was non-Martian, non-American, etc.)

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You in addition to stupidity and chauvinismalso cowardly. Hit would fist in the chest and proudly proclaim their nationalism. But no.

no one has a noble hysteria, yes
Bromine? Against the wall?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Yes, the fall in the European Union from 2027 thousand tons to 2152 thousand tons in 5 years

consumption of butter in the EU In 2014, the per capita consumption was 4.26 kilograms and in 2020 this figure was 4.22 kilograms of butter.

And earlier:

Therefore, only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer.

And this happens despite the incoherent nonsense from the malevolent one with double standards.

REMEMBER:

The World Health Organization STRONGLY recommends:

replace butter, lard and ghee with vegetable oils,

Preference should be given to unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as in sunflower, soybean, rapeseed and olive oil) as opposed to saturated fats (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee) and lard)

Do not give thanks

[Foul skeptic]

Let me remind you that it was about the KITCHEN

Did you remember this when you pasted labels with negative connotations on others, like "non-Russians"?

no one has a noble hysteria, yes

Do not give out wishful thinking.

fool consumption of butter in the EU In 2014, the per capita consumption was 4.26 kilograms, and in 2020 this figure was 4.22 kilograms of butter.

1) You are again "juggling" numbers:
a) If you look at the statiste where you gave the numbers, you will see that up to 2018 the growth from 4,26 to 4,32.
b) You yourself cited a source where it is said that

The reason for the minus in 2018, according to the German Farmers' Association, is that butter this year was significantly more expensive than before, so some consumers did not decide in favor of this dairy product.

You are trying ECONOMIC reasons (capitalism, however) to pass off as a conscious decision of people to eat less butter. The pandemic will pass, the economic condition will recover and growth will continue again. This is clearly seen in Germany, where consumption has gone up again.
2) Next. Have you looked at your "funny pictures"? Can I link to the original source of the excel plate? I would like to understand whether it was some other scholar who made it up or you changed the numbers. Because definitely someone doesn't understand that equality must be observed for 2013 values:
"EU10" + "other EU28" = "EU28"
like 2959 + 2125 = 5084
or 105564 + 35679 = 141243
And for oil, it ... is not respected
1700+433=1707
Did you bring the picture from the USA to confirm my words that the consumption of butter is growing there?

There is an upward trend and dependence on economic ups and downs.

therefore, only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer

Yes? In Russia they eat less than 3 kg now, in Europe more than 4. Where do they live less, where longer?
Well, again, you ignore the inconvenient for you:

But even if you close your eyes to this, then it does not even reach you that even if in fact there was a fall in the last decade, then the figure you quoted for 1999 in Germany is 6,7 kg per person per year - this is the same level of consumption as in the USSR in the 80s. And therefore, where the conversation began
Quote: Olgovich
only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the west and how many years they live longer

is only a statement by a malevolent person with double standards.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Did you remember this when you pasted labels on others?

I even WRITTEN about it.

And please spare me from your bo complexes that pasted over you with labels and monsters

I don't know you: who are you, what are you, what are you and know I do not want.
vat. Absolutely.
When will it come?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Do not give out wishful thinking.

well, yes, well, yes, you can immediately see:

Quote: A vile skeptic
You to stupidity and chauvinism, cowardly... Hit

-object "keeps himself in control

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You are trying ECONOMIC reasons (capitalism, however) to pass off as a conscious decision of people to eat less butter. The pandemic will pass

exactly in the year of the pandemic to Germany ... growth,

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Have you looked at your "funny pictures" ?? I want to understand

And How? Nothing?
... Nna: https://ec.europa.eu/ eurostat / statistics-explained / index.php? title = Archive: Milk_and_milk_products _-_ 30_years_of_quotas.

P-in oil FALLED by almost a third by 2013 The Germans, according to the Tbilov logic, were impoverished, etc.
And here's the rest, yes-hesitation

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Yes? In Russia they eat less than 3 kg now, in Europe more than 4. Where do they live less, where longer?

Many people live in Russia longerthan in the USSR.

Therefore: only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Well, again, you ignore the inconvenient for you:

didn’t make it again? All said already five times!
ONCE AGAIN: that's why only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer.

therefore

REMEMBER:

The World Health Organization STRONGLY recommends:

replace butter, lard and ghee with vegetable oils,

Preference should be given to unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as in sunflower, soybean, rapeseed and olive oil) as opposed to saturated fats (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee) and lard)

[Foul skeptic]

individual "keeps himself in control

Yes, or does a simple statement of fact in your head look like I’m splashing saliva into the monitor? Yes, Nazi?

exactly in the year of the pandemic to Germany ... growth lol

Are you amused by something beyond your understanding?
1) The economy is inert, so the rise of 2020 is the result of 2019.
2) A rich country loses more in a crisis, but it is easier to recover - while the fat one dries, the thin one dies.

Nna: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Archive:Milk_and_milk_products_-_30_years_of_quotas.
P-in oil FALLED by almost a third by 2013 The Germans, according to the Tbilov logic, were impoverished, etc.

1) And what is "nna"? From this, 1700 + 433 did not become equal to 1707. So far you have only shown that you did not change the data yourself, but the one who compiled this table made mistakes.
2) You substitute production for consumption. Forgetting that the European Union was created so that the very same "EU10" (with a slightly different composition), having expanded to "EU28", could calmly use the products of the rest of the Union countries on a cheap basis.
3) You are again considering not a series of years, but a specific year. Give such a plate for 2017 and 2020 and let's compare with 2013.
4) Again, it does not reach you that if by 2013 the production fell out, then earlier it was MORE and then your claims against the USSR cannot be explained by anything other than double standards and anger.

They live in Russia much longer than in the USSR.

Therefore: only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer.

1) What a childish manipulation - and in some Cameroon they live longer now than 30-40 years ago - in the USSR in 2021 they would have lived as much longer than in the USSR in the 1980s.
2) A specific question was asked, what is not enough courage to answer directly?

In Russia they eat less than 3 kg now, in Europe more than 4. Where do they live less, where longer?

Preference should be given to unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as sunflower, soybean, rapeseed and olive oil) over saturated fats (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee). and lard) yes

The recommendation to eat less cheese is especially amusing in light of our dispute and the table you quoted, where cheese production increased by 1983% from 2013 to 90. And Europeans all refuse to die at 50, let the WHO down.

didn’t make it again? All said already five times!

What is the consumption of oil per person in Germany in 1999 and what is the consumption of oil in the USSR in the 1980s? What are these 2 numbers? Have the courage?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Yes, it looks like I'm drooling into the monitor splashing? Yes, nazi?

yes, hysteria is gaining degrees

Shaw, it didn't make it the first time, huh?

Then again: spare me of your oln complexes, which pasted over you with labels and monsters

Я don't know you: who are you, what are you, who are you by what and I don’t want to know.

for be. Absolutely.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Are you amused by something beyond your understanding?
1) The economy is inert, so the rise of 2020 is the result of 2019

Yes you amuse me with your style: is the economy inert only in ... 2020? And 2017? 2016- When did consumption fall?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

) And what is "nna"? From this 1700 + 433 did not become equal to 1707. While you only showed that you did not change the data yourself,

write a complaint to Eurostat, "literate.

You can watch GERMANY-fall by almost a THIRD!

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

3) You are again considering not a series of years, but a specific year. Give such a plate for 2017 and 2020 and let's compare with 2013.

sho, again didn’t come?
for 30 years, production has fallen by almost a THIRD ".

Because (for the sixth time!) Only Turak eats so much butter: see how much it is eaten in the West (4,22 kg / person in Europe) and how many years they live longer.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

in the USSR in 2021 they would have lived the same longer than in the USSR in the 1980s.

in the deep was the USSR with this, yes.

Only Russia was able to break out of that pit

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Particularly amusing

yes No one show your finger and how much fun it will be ..

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

production

in, knowingly shoved you according to the WHO Recommendations.

Therefore, to consolidate (for the seventh time it will come):
REMEMBER:

The World Health Organization STRONGLY recommends:

replace butter, lard and ghee with vegetable oils,

Preference should be given to unsaturated fats (found in fish, avocados and nuts, as well as in sunflower, soybean, rapeseed and olive oil) as opposed to saturated fats (found in fatty meats, butter, palm and coconut oil, cream, cheese, ghee) and lard)

And yes, to freedom! ndl,

[Foul skeptic]

Yes, you amuse me with your style: and the economy is inert only in ... 2020? And 2017? 2016- When did consumption fall?

1) Laugh at yourself - I have never said anywhere that the economy is inert only in 2020 - you just said that. The fact that "the rise of 2020 is the result of 2019" was written in response to "exactly in the year of the pandemic towards Germany ... growth. "Did you have a pandemic in 2016, 2017? Knowing you, I shouldn't be surprised.
2) Maybe you have something that fell in 2016-2017, but oil consumption did not fall either in Germany or in the European Union in the indicated years.
Germany:
2015 - 6 kg
2016 - 6 kg
2017 - 6 kg
2018 - 5,9 kg
2019 - 5,8 kg
2020 - 6,3 kg
European Union:
2015 - 4,23 kg
2016 - 4,28 kg
2017 - 4,32 kg
2018 - 4,31 kg
2019 - 4,24 kg
2020 - 4,21 kg

You can't help but lie, right?

write a complaint to Eurostat, please

What for? I am neither cold nor hot from their mistakes, I am correcting my own Rosstat. It is enough only that you have once again shown that you are looking at a book and see a fig, not analyzing at all what you claim to be "evidence".
What about your courage? Not found?

A specific question asked, what is it that you lack the courage to answer directly?
In Russia they eat less than 3 kg now, in Europe more than 4. Where do they live less, where longer?

What is the consumption of oil per person in Germany in 1999 and what is the consumption of oil in the USSR in the 1980s? What are these 2 numbers? Have the courage?

[Foul skeptic]

for 30 years, production has fallen by almost a THIRD

Production in 30 years (2013-1983) fell by 25%.
And then in 7 years (2013-2020) it grew by 36%, from 1707 thousand tons to 2324 thousand tons.

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: Olgovich

But famines with starvation deaths were constant under their rule: 1923,24,25,28,29,30.

That is, just under the NEP?

Quote: Olgovich

in Russia there was a system of imperial food capital with grain warehouses in case of famine

In particular, bread poisoned by a cockle.

Quote: Olgovich

helped to avoid starvation deaths after 1891

Did not help. There were also deaths from hunger later.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Sahar Medovich

Did not help. There were also deaths from hunger later.

insanely: ANYWHERE in the world and NEVER had such a wild famine before 1933

Quote: Sahar Medovich

That is, just under the NEP?

yes, you had such a regime.

Quote: Sahar Medovich

In particular, bread poisoned by a cockle.

for yours he would be in luck.

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: Olgovich

insanely: ANYWHERE in the world and NEVER had such a wild famine before 1933

And contemporaries said that in the pre-collective farm time he was constantly. One of many similar ones.

Quote: Olgovich

yes, you had such a regime.

In light of "NEP, practically, RESTORED the consumption level of 1913" - i.e. is the regime the same as in 1913? Or is it the same regime in 1913 as in the 1920s?

Quote: Olgovich

for yours he would be in luck.

Which our recalled laconic: "God forbid anyone!".

[Olgovich]

Quote: Sahar Medovich

And contemporaries said that in the pre-collective farm time he was constantly. One of many similar ones.

none: not even one of the shameless liars of the Bolsheviks was found.

Quote: Sahar Medovich

In light of "NEP, practically, RESTORED the consumption level of 1913" - i.e. is the regime the same as in 1913? Or is it the same regime in 1913 as in the 1920s?

so cannibalistic that despite the growth, people died, but not in millions, as under him 1918-1922, but already, under the NEP, only in thousands

Quote: Sahar Medovich

Which our recalled succinctly: "God forbid anyone!"

prayed for the blessed 1913 and all the time they were equal to him, as to CAMERTON, because only you could catch up with him in FORTY years, and in many positions, NEVER (obdlls)

[Foul skeptic]

but for many positions, NEVER at all

For the production of bast shoes? By the number of nobles? What are you talking about such positions?

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: Olgovich

none

Many.

Quote: Olgovich

people died, but not in millions, as under him 1918-1922, but already, under the NEP, only in thousands

Well, at least not in the hundreds of thousands, as in the 1890-1910s.

Quote: Olgovich

prayed for the blessed 1913

They prayed that it would never happen again. As well as those who were before him.

[Illanatol]

nogodnogo "power, which, with the world's largest arable land, the level of food consumption in 1913, barely caught up in FORTY years, and then bought bread, meat, butter, etc., on a large and large scale for gold and currency from the defeated damned capitalists

Indeed, the government is "free". I bought bread and meat from the damned bourgeoisie, and then forcibly forced Soviet citizens to consume it. Sheer mockery of the people.
Another thing is with the "tsar-priest".
“We’re undernourished, but we’ll take it out” (Prime Minister Kokovtsev). And they exported bread to "Europe", despite the fact that they produced less per capita than in France or Germany.
And the "hot" European bourgeoisie bought Russian bread, not particularly complexing about such a dependence on Russian exports.
RI used the proceeds from the sale of bread to buy weapons, cars, chemical products, rubber, metal (part of the Transsib is made of Belgian steel), even high-quality coal for battleships.
But the USSR exported something from this list.

In RI 6 peasants fed 1 (one) citizen. In the USSR, one collective farmer-state farmer fed 3-4 townspeople.
It would be nice to compare the consumption of non-food items, as well as the availability of utilities and the comfort of housing.
Do you want to change your apartment for a "black hut" with amenities in the yard?

[parusnik]

PVL, read carefully and there you will find a fixation about hunger, and not only there.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Good article,
As for the tsar-hunger, throughout history, including Russia-Russia, he accompanied humanity on a huge scale.
In Russia, after the abolition of serfdom, the "famine" was sharply more frequent and larger than before.
The figure of 7 million is highly questionable, which contradicts the fact that the population was growing steadily during this period and the fact that its scale did not exceed the size of the "famines" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

[ABC-schutze]

I agree.

It raises very big doubts by the very "threefold" spread of values ​​at the edges of the "estimated" range ...

But, for any "figure", it is worth emphasizing that the victims of the famine in the USSR were by no means the result of some "malicious" policy of the Soviet government in relation to the "peasants". What the propagandists of a certain "Holodomor" are constantly and sadly whining about ...

After all, Vyshnegradsky, with him, - "We will not finish eating, but we will take out!"

[ABC-schutze]

And with the exception, perhaps, of the author's thesis "we are late", in the context of the term for the abolition of serfdom in Russia.

Russia, totally peasant at the time, was not "late" with this case. They canceled the "planned" and relatively calmly, on time, when the need for further, socio-economic development already OBJECTIVELY FORCED to do so ...

By the way, I rarely remember that the time of the "planned" abolition of serfdom in Russia practically coincides with the time of the "unplanned" abolition of DIRECT slavery in the USA.

But the same "progressive Lincoln, in the" democratic "USA, unlike the monarch-autocrat Alexander II, initially, no slaves (plowing in the PEASANT South, by the way ...), did not even think about" liberating "...

[nikvic46]

The author mentioned cholera in passing. But when famine began, typhus and cholera appeared. Only in 1946 this could be avoided - Soviet medicine grew.

[Far B]

England, Ireland, India went through such a breakdown, there were problems with mass riots in France, Austria ... It's just that serfdom was canceled there easier and more adequately, and they started earlier. And we were late, for which we paid a terrible price

Ireland, by the way, paid a much more terrible price. There, however, the British tried.

[Reptiloid]

....we are late....

the elite was late, which wanted to live as in Europe, without doing anything for this.

[Kozak Za Bugra]

England also tried in India, the colonies were starving and the Metropol was getting fat, then the British criticized the famine in the USSR.

[Unknown]

I always believed that the snickering Russian nobility ruined the empire along with the Holstein-Gottorp dynasty. She did not want to change anything at all, to lose her privileges, because in the Republic of Ingushetia it was freed from all duties that were carried mainly by the peasants. At the same time, it did not want to learn yet, and did not give to others. In the courtyard of the twentieth (twentieth) century, and the RI empire mainly plows on a plow

And there was no desire to establish in their country, advanced for those times, agricultural implements, so there were Sakka plows, of which up to 1914 up to 100 thousand were imported annually.

So what kind of yield can we talk about, the power could not provide plows.

[Reptiloid]

....failed....

it was generally spit about the peasants there. Nobody was going to help, think about increasing the yield. And the climate is the coldest of all European countries

[Korsar4]

This is all true. But examples, when they wanted to run the household in English, also did not always end successfully.

[depressant]

Individual attempts, not adding up to a general powerful tendency, are doomed to failure in a negative direction.

[Korsar4]

Probably yes.

And at the same time, when you understand how much could have been lost, it turns out that it was not so little.

[Reptiloid]

Quote from Korsar4

This is all true. But examples, when they wanted to run the household in English, also did not always end successfully.

Probably because the English and Russian landowners had different mentality? In Russia, there are huge open spaces, more population, which disposes of a devil-may-care attitude .. (the money received during the reform was profiled abroad) ... In England, on the contrary, the land, resources, population are incomparably less, here you have to think about how and at whose expense to survive.
By the way, in January 1892, an article by Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy appeared in an English article stating that peasants were starving in Ingushetia, residents were dying without bread ... Until a week later, reprints began in Russian newspapers.

[Reptiloid]

In the fall of 1891, Tolstoy visited different provinces and saw a terrible famine, saw that many could not survive the winter. He began to organize help, taking his children with him on the trip. In Europe, there were also crop failures, so grain from the Republic of Ingushetia was bought very well

[Waterways 672]

People were starving, although the warehouses were filled with grain that was meant to be sold abroad. The Americans, having learned about the developing situation in Russia, organized a food collection. They remembered the help of Russian military sailors, provided to them during the Civil War. Five food aid steamers were sent to the ports of Riga and Liepaja. Aivazovsky was a witness of this event, he painted two pictures: "A ship of assistance" and "Distribution of food". These paintings are kept in America, and we did not really like to remember them.

[Reptiloid]

People were starving .... for sale abroad ....

That is precisely why, when during WW1 soldiers learned that
they are fighting for the straits for the Republic of Ingushetia --- not a bit they were not happy about it. Quite the opposite. Traders profited from the grain trade.

[Korsar4]

The same Leo Tolstoy bought land in Bashkiria. It was fortunate for his family that it went up in price.

Agriculture and the forestry sector developed extensively in our country - it was where to go.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Unknown

And there was no desire to establish in their country, advanced for those times, agricultural implements

I didn't think I would find a sober thought.
==========
It's the same every time. Either the tsars are good - the Bolsheviks are bad, then vice versa. Enough to multiply the gossip and reasoning of those who do not know village labor. Correctly spelled "The Stranger". Neither the tsar nor the landowners needed peasants for hell. Ordinary mowers and other agricultural implements cost a lot of money. And the peasants learned electricity, telegraph, radio only under Soviet rule.
Famine occurs when the government ceases to care about food security. Socialist Russia is forgivable - fifteen years of existence, half of which is a war, and half of which is the restoration of a destroyed economy and the first five-year plan, during which the volume of gross industrial output doubled !!! And these, who have been wiping thrones for centuries, what have they achieved, what have they been striving for?
The territory of Russia allows feeding half a billion of the population. Just do not breed parasites in one place, but wait in another, when the "lazy" citizens will begin to develop Siberian and Far Eastern hectares ...

[Korsar4]

Probably, I would say that the green revolution (about the 40s - 70s of the twentieth century) dramatically increased the yield.

But all this is accompanied by the fact that it is important not only to grow and collect, but also the question - how to divide?

And mankind has masterly learned to enslave their own kind.

[depressant]

Sergey, you missed the point "how to save".

[Korsar4]

And that too.
However, the mills were working. And the flour is stored.
As well as salt became available.
Not like during the Salt Riot.

[depressant]

Do you offer to store flour?
A bug in it will not start? )))

[Korsar4]

During hunger - any is eaten.
Now it's easier with canning.
But you can't shoot a straw everywhere.

The life of Admiral Boom is far from happy.

[depressant]

It's true about the straw.
And how can you protect that straw, with what doors, if someone very hungry and angry appears, who has already gone through his "straw"?
Scrap is the head of everything.
At the household level, after the vote, I observe a general sharp exacerbation of the population. Pets are particularly affected.

[Korsar4]

But there is no heat.

[depressant]

I understand that you are teasing me, because not so long ago my suffering drawn-out howl "Zha-a-arko!"
It was such a sin, yes ...
Soon I'll start crying from the cold, wait. But from hunger - no, because it is omnivorous and unpretentious, therefore it is useful in its household.
I'm only scared by a short hurricane. It is good that not political - you can survive the natural, political - not given to everyone.

[Korsar4]

I find positives by keeping up a conversation about the weather.

[depressant]

Oh yeah!
We are prim British! )))
And I went to the article 《Symptoms of the "Havana syndrome"》, I read it, laughed for a long time - this is my illness, which overtook me on March 12 last year in a severe form, the doctors could not make a diagnosis, after 5 days I left the hospital myself - just before the covid quarantine, armed with a huge list of drugs. None of them helped, but I learned to live with the disease, although it is difficult, and recently I discovered that there is a remedy! The simplest cheapest ointment is an ambulance bioactive balm, which I use on my ears and around them.
And now I look through my eastern window at the 4G tower, located a hundred meters away from me, and I think - is it my death?
The weather is the weather, and the tower is a tower. The times have come when it is not the weather that determines a person's ability to exist normally, but the wave field created by his inventions. )))
But it will not work to talk about the wave state of space, the field is invisible!
The weather is visible.

[Korsar4]

This is just being tested to see how much the five-o-clock tradition is being maintained.

Or pickled cucumber is more popular.

[3x3zsave]

But autumn this year came as ordered. Two years ago, on September 5, I went to Nikolai's birthday in one shirt, now, at the same time, I got into a demi-season jacket.

[Korsar4]

The moisture reserve in the soil is not so bad.
And we will find an opportunity to drink tea.

[3x3zsave]

So no one comes to me for tea ...

[depressant]

I tried to drink at least virtual tea with you. But you, Anton, I cause an allergic reaction. What kind of trips are there. Moreover, only my cold corpse can get to Peter )))

[3x3zsave]

Allergic reaction, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I have a "Tatra", up to anphylactic shock. And you yourself have invented something about your image in my mind. I'm a jester.

[Phil77]

Greetings! Oh Anton!
You are not alone, you are not alone!
This is something unimaginable, and on all the resources where it is / was curious, but what about without it? / - the same hysterical cries about the enemies of the enemies of the communists! Or is it the other way around?

[3x3zsave]

Sergei!
Schizophrenia on the face! And paranoia too. Not to mention manic-depressive syndrome ...

[depressant]

Come on, let's go! You are not a jester, you are a Knight of the sad image))

[3x3zsave]

Not otherwise, you and Kolya came to an agreement!
"Walled up, demons !!!" (WITH)

[depressant]

I swear there was no collusion!
Like-minded people found a like-mindedness after seeing bright signs, hee hee!

[3x3zsave]

"Radishes" all of you! I don't want to be a knight, I want to be a comedian!

[depressant]

"In real life or on stage?" - asked with interest the radishes, as well as Countess Cherries and other vegetables and fruits.

[3x3zsave]

You know, maybe on stage. Or did I not work at the Alexandrinka ?!

[depressant]

So what's the stopper? Let's!
I want to be proud that I am familiar with the great Imyarek in the printed text! Yes, yes, with Anton Bazhin - yourself, think!

[3x3zsave]

Well, be proud! And I will be proud that I was in correspondence with Lyudmila Yakovlevna Kuznetsova!

[depressant]

Anton, do I have to puff myself up, give myself weight, so that your annoying blunder in the eyes of others would not become so noticeable?
Let's talk about something else.
Yesterday I got better at listening to "The Queen of Spades" staged by the Bolshoi, but I could not continue - filthy scenery, mise-en-scènes - horror, but the tenor is good.
Who will you be at the Mariinsky? Are you singing? Do you dance ballet?

[3x3zsave]

He worked in "Alexandrinka", a stage worker, went through all the theatrical shit to the bottom.

[depressant]

A stage worker, as far as I know, is a very responsible profession. Such a worker is an accomplice in both the stage success of the artists and the stage "crime".

[3x3zsave]

This is true! "Zavpost" is the second most respected position, after artistic director, in a good theater, and stage workers are directly subordinate to him.

[depressant]

If I were a man, I would go to such a job. Interesting! They say that a lot of techniques are now used in staging scenes, which makes the performance extremely attractive for the viewer.

[3x3zsave]

Not a fig of interesting! This work, sometimes very hard and responsible, sometimes a stage worker can ruin the performance in one movement. The only person who understood this was Alexander Galibin. Periodically present at his performances, he invariably went backstage and "by the hand" greeted everyone involved in the action!

[Korsar4]

And instead of Rossinant, there is significantly more horsepower.

[depressant]

"The iron motor has replaced the peasant horse!"

[Korsar4]

"I took and overtook the bike" (c).

[3x3zsave]

Sometimes this horsepower has to be pushed.

[depressant]

Sometimes this horsepower has to be pushed.

There below I recommend a broomstick. Take the Nimbus 2000. Rowling believes it is extremely reliable and has been tried and tested in Quidditch.

[Korsar4]

“In winter we have such roads that driving academics meet” (c).

[Korsar4]

Somehow the weather is not flying, which is disappointing.

“And if I go where, -
So from home to pub "(c).

[depressant]

At least do not fly to the pub on airplanes, nowadays they fall every day.
The broom is all-weather, the very thing.

[Korsar4]

But how much outerwear would have to be used. Ask Pratchett.

[depressant]

Margarita flew naked and did not catch a cold

[Phil77]

It's all about the cream! It seemed to be warming too.

[depressant]

Seryozha, you remember such details ...
What a memory! I remember mostly the magical description of flying over the river. It looks as if Bulgakov himself flew and therefore knew.
Although, however, he could observe the landscape from a hill. And yet ... A vivid feeling of flight. In a dream it is ... preoccupied)))

[Phil77]

Before the ball there was a courier delivery / courier gr. Azazelo /. Margarita has some cream left, remember? Well, Natasha, the housekeeper, too ... hurried in advance.
And the cream had not only a tuning effect, but also a warming one.

[depressant]

Now I remembered)))
In general, you need to re-read. This novel attracts with something inexplicable. This is how you see beauty, but start describing it in words, and even a glimpse may not work. And there - the magical radiance of ideas and sensations of truth in fiction.
Yes ... This is fiction, carrying more shrill truth than reality. You want to live in it.

[Korsar4]

Some kind of transport is specific. Seasonality should be taken into account. And generally stay away from him. However, when Margarita thrashed Latunsky's apartment, her voice grew hoarse.

[depressant]

Hoarseness comes from forcing the vocal cords. Singers sometimes suffer through negligence. They are being treated.

[Korsar4]

Weather conditions must also be taken into account. But in "Morozko" the truncheons fell only towards winter.

[depressant]

The further, the more I feel like an ignoramus.

the batons fell only towards winter.

What is meant by the "clubs" that fell?

[Korsar4]

In the film "Morozko" Ivan dispersed the robbers.

[Phil77]

Now, now, just smile!

[depressant]

Seryozha, thank you! Smiled! )))
You are a bright person!

[Phil77]

Good evening Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
Why would this be?
My Filipok is very happy with life, although I would not call him "animal". He is a representative of the fluffy tailed Reasonable people, which is what I wish for all of us in this life-MIND!

[depressant]

Good evening, Seryozha! )))
Here I thought that it was not without reason that Sergey suggested a conversation about the weather. After all, such a conversation is precisely correlated with the topic of the article on hunger.
Every day I watch, wherever possible, issues of blogs about natural disasters for each day.
And what did I find? It's time to shout "Atas!"
For six years, Madagascar was hot, and for the first time since the beginning of talks about global warming, Madagascar has been officially declared by the UN as a territory of catastrophic famine. But as soon as this was done, the island was flooded just as catastrophically.
Rivers flowed through the deserts of Saudi Arabia. Many territories of Asia, Africa, both Americas, Europe are flooded. You can endlessly list the countries where the harvest was burned or washed away. Apparently, we are not very good at this either.
So I think that everything will go for export. What can we expect in such a situation? Chain stores have already announced a rise in food prices. The Federal Antimonopoly Service pulled them back, but will it be possible to keep them despite the fact that prices have already been lifted up beyond measure. In my village, the shelves are empty!
Sergei, apparently, is right when he says that you need to store up flour. I’ll be concerned.

[Phil77]

Prices? Yes, they only do what they go up! I do not know how about buying flour, but the rise in prices has already become a habit for me. Not surprised! Not once!
Disasters? I just read Elsberg's novel "Blackout", about a power outage in Europe. Impressions? Scary! Immediately remembered 2010, when there were power outages in Moscow. God forbid, once again, be in this "situevina".

[depressant]

The worst thing in this "situational" is that the phone will be discharged and I will find myself outside the information field. Of course, I have something to do. But inforges - they are like that, without a dose of information from the screen, a breakdown and a sharp exacerbation of political views occurs. )))

[Phil77]

No, the lack of an information field has its advantages. But the lack of water ... in the toilet. You know, seriously! In an apartment building! If possible, read it. It is well written and described. Oh! It turned out somewhat ambiguous, given the problem ... the possible lack of water in the toilet.

[depressant]

Hopefully you're not talking about using toilet water for cooking? )))

[Phil77]

Oops!

How to know.

[depressant]

I just figured it out, showing an economic savvy. A bag put on a bucket - what is not a portable toilet for non-liquid waste of the body? Is it okay? Filled in a day, and take it to the trash can.

[Phil77]

Here it is - Russian ingenuity !!! The Europeans in the novel did not think of this before!
And are you still afraid of something?!?!

[depressant]

Hurricane!
I'm afraid of the hurricane.
Believe it or not, the hurricane that raged in the village in the summer took only ten minutes! - scared me forever. I first encountered the phenomenon when tree branches look like unnaturally twisted broken arms and legs without falling down. At the same time, the leaves on them instantly twisted, turned black and seemed to stick to the branches. One such large branch just recently fell from a tree and lies in the grass, like a burnt-out clothing.
And so I think: what was it? Why didn't the black dead leaves fall off right away?

[Phil77]

Damn, I was wrong with the date !!!
This was on May 25, 2005! Sorry, sir!
Chaginskaya substation. Accident.

[depressant]

Why are you doing this, Seryozha? I mean to what comment. We got to talking here - each about his own and you can get lost )))

[Phil77]

An electrical accident at the Chaginskaya substation in Moscow in 2005. The subway stopped, there were no elevators in the houses, there was no water, and so on, so on, so on. It lasted several hours.

[depressant]

The worst thing is the elevators, I guess. With people stuck.
As for water, in 2005 there was already an opportunity to go to the store and buy a certain amount of bottled water.
Nevertheless, life in high-rise buildings is not that.
They say that in Moscow there is a tendency among the indigenous people to leave for villages, small towns. Many families settle in the neighborhood and build, helping each other, not only their own lives, but also the settlement point. A certain wave of civilization.

[Phil77]

Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
Another tendency is frightening. Muscovites rent out apartments to migrants! This is the real scourge of the metropolis. "Hissing and cutting" them in queues and conversations with the last words.

[depressant]

Seryozha, good morning! )))
Believe it or not, I've been thinking about it all these days.
But!
Here are my neighbors on the site, opposite. Oversized uncle-son is a drug addict. They discharged him from the apartment, such a legislative possibility exists. So the police, not only did they register it back, they also added a bunch of migrant workers to them. Let them not live here, but they are inscribed. And people can't do anything. From the uncertainty of the situation, frustration and horror, the elderly father fell ill. Mother-stepmother moved nearby to her daughter, who is married to a policeman, in general, kublo.
I believe that all such registrations, or most of them, are the work of the police themselves, and if such apartments are covered by the police, then this is not the police who ordered them. This is the rival police, who want to register these hundred in "their" apartment and cut them themselves ...
You say, what about Kolokoltsov? Why are these facts not really investigated? And Kolokoltsev does exactly what is beneficial to political power. At the moment, a line has been taken to repeat the Chinese path. But China got out at the expense of its impoverished population willing to work in high-tech factories supplied by foreigners for a bowl of rice a day. Our government knows very well that we do not have such workers, for everyone, even young people, are either Soviet or largely Westernized. That is, we have no fools! Was the USSR surrendered for this?
So where to get cheap labor? Asians only. At the same time, on occasion, they will create ethnic pressure and criminal and corruption tensions in the regions, usefully transferring the arrows from a worthless government to the Russians' own tragic concerns. Moreover, further Asians will work at the built factories and receive citizenship - they are already working, to the outrage of Russian workers. But they, Asians, will be paid less anyway. Less so far. And those, cunning, afterwards will demand normal salaries for themselves, and they are not intimidated Russians. Serious unrest will begin among both Asians and Russians. And then there will be a clash between Putin and the oligarchs, but already a serious one. They will tell him: "You wanted industrialization from us? We made it for you! Get it and sign it!"
Yes, I have mixed two questions. But they are intertwined.

[Aviator_]

Good article, respect to the author.

[Aviator_]

the NEP period is a period of attempts to resolve the issue in a peaceful evolutionary way, which completely failed.

NEP did not fail, NEP has outlived its usefulness. The capitalist needs immediate profit; the NEPman would not go to any industrialization. And he didn’t. In my article about the development of the aircraft industry in the 20s, which was rejected at VO, there is evidence of stagnation in this industry by the end of the 20s.

[Reptiloid]

Good morning, Sergey! It would be very interesting to know at least something from your article.
Reading about the post-revolutionary period, I see that everything was sorely lacking. Materials, machine tools, specialists, workers ... Some construction suffered damage due to this shortage, for example, the number of storeys decreased, instead of several buildings, one long one was built ... there were many different things, wooden stairs, bricks and stone used before. ..
Probably, in the 20s, difficulties were everywhere ...

[Aviator_]

I'll send it to the post office if you're interested.

[Reptiloid]

I answered in a personal Thank you.

[Reptiloid]

.... Stolypin reforms to liquidate communities ...

The author wrote wonderful words! After all, how many times have we read about Stolypin's "progressive" reforms, which would certainly have helped ... and the goal was to destroy the peasant communities, established collectives, ready to fight, resist, defend their interests.
I remember the words of Chubais about the destruction of Soviet enterprises

[EvilLion]

As a result, the famine of 1921, caused by both seven years of continuous war and the confiscation of grain by the warring parties.

This famine coincides geographically with the civil one, in these territories it was simply impossible to create reserves, although the harvests were normal. were before that. And so, the Romanov tsars for 300 years ruled Russia before the catastrophe, but, of course, the Bolsheviks are to blame, who inherited all this. "My grandfather wore for 40 years, my father wore for 30 years, I wore for 20 years, and you put it on and immediately tore it."

Elena Prudnikova on the so-called. Holodomor was able to count the supermortality rate of 1.8 million, while she also discovered an epidemic of malaria there, because during the years of WWI and the subsequent turmoil, there was no time for the improvement of the territory, and the swamps with mosquitoes bloomed and smelled. Without examining in detail everything that is on this subject in her books, and her hunger there is very interesting, when in the whole village there can be all the norms, and only 10 farms have nothing to devour. The fists buried the grain in the pits, it has rotted, and the villagers are only gloating. In Poland, apparently, they were also starving.

But in general, this supermortality rate at the level of several percent of the total population raises a number of questions for me. Fashnya then in the Second World War from 41st to 44th raked everything into the Reich, and the villages burned, but even she did not manage to kill more than 10 million, although they even specially tried. That is, all these numbers of supermortality are, most likely, in the bulk of the elderly, who would have lived without hunger for some time, and babies, which, well, if they were really taken into account in those years. Accordingly, their deaths are concentrated in the famine year, while lowering the background mortality in the next subsequent years. That is, such events on the population as a whole, and before industrialization they were in the order of things everywhere, did not have a catastrophic effect. During the occupation, the elderly had to die quickly, there are almost no new children, and the millions of those who died there are really healthy people and children who survived infancy, whose death really became a serious demographic crisis.

[tatra]

when Peter beat Menshikov with a stick

Not Menshikov, but Menshikov.
And in the Republic of Ingushetia there was the same System, which was returned by the enemies of the Communists who seized the RSFSR, when the rich and richest parasites scored "social elevators" and did not allow the country to develop and the people to get rich.
Just as the development of Russia was not necessary for the nobles, they were already fine, so it is not necessary for the enemies of the communists, who have been parasitizing for 30 years at the expense of other people's labor, and enriching themselves at the expense of Russia and the Russian people, and proceeding with anger and hatred for all the best for their country and the Soviet people,.

[bober1982]

Quote: tatra

Not Menshikov, but Menshikov.

Both ancestors and contemporaries still argue about how to pronounce the name of the tsar's glorious companion correctly.
And, descendants will argue.

[Professor]

But be that as it may, we managed. And the famine of 1932-1933. was the last famine in a series of disasters caused by the transition from a traditional society to an industrial society. The price was paid terrible, and not only with us.

But it was not the last famine on the territory of the USSR. The post-war famine of 1946-1947 claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands.

In general, the country where the famine was permanent was China. There "hunger" entered the culture.

[depressant]

... with a general crowd of people, there are no people. It cannot be said that the authorities did not understand this, the Romanovs were not fools, but there was but. The times when Peter beat Menshikov with a stick and hanged high-ranking thieves are over, in the era of palace coups everything was the other way around, the nobility overthrew and put on the throne convenient monarchs ...
It is clear that Catherine was, of course, Great and Enlightened, but she did not touch serfdom, moreover, she strengthened, it is fraught, you know, having an army and a guard of nobles, to undermine the source of their well-being. And Alexander the First, after taking part in the murder of his father, kept all his liberal dreams to himself.

In those terms, "liberal dreams" are a need for a sharp, speedy industrialization. And, like a transparent tracing paper with the problems of that time imprinted on it, that era is exactly superimposed on our today's problems. Of course, taking into account their characteristics.

[Reptiloid]

Good day to you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
Finance Minister Ivan Vyshnegradskiy said this:

We will not finish, but we will take out

The definition turned out

Hungry export

The reports wrote the following

Our people do not take out the surplus, but part of their own food, that is, they are malnourished ... With bread we pay taxes and taxes, for bread we buy everything we need. And we do all this at the expense of malnutrition.

[north 2]

In Belarus she is "vileyka", in Russia she is "Lithuanian" This is a hand braid, which was made on the territory of the Vilna province of the Russian Empire. But it is noteworthy that in order for the plant to open and for it to reach the capacity to manufacture this long-used tool for the village in Europe, it took as many as six years in Russia, moreover, steel for the braids was imported from Sweden. And this was at the very beginning of the XNUMXth century, when the sickle was not mowed in Europe for a long time, but mowed with such scythes, which in Belarus are still called "vileykas", and in Russia they are called "Lithuanians". So it’s surprising that in Russia they plowed with a plow and plowed until the twentieth century, if they had to make a scythe with tight agony ...
On the other hand, if you take it, while they were mowing with a sickle and plowing with a plow and plowing, there was no such terrible famine that happened in the year 1932-1933, when they were already mowing with hay mowers and even plowing with tractors ...

[dgonni]

Well, how does the famine of 1946-1947 fit into the author's concept?

[Kozak Za Bugra]

4 years of war, the export of black soil and grain, the burning of crops and villages, the export of manpower abroad, the murder of 20 million people and the destruction of cities and industries caused by the invasion of the Germans, while after 47 there was no more famine.

[citizen]

Why then not 45 or 46.

[Kozak Za Bugra]

I apologize for the time, only now I have freed myself from work.
Why 46?
I will try to answer, after the German attack, the USSR lost the territory where 60% of the grain was produced, military operations were conducted through these and territories. The USSR began to receive grain through the Lend Lease "By July 1943, an additional 885 thousand tons of food was received from the United States and Great Britain to the Soviet Union. 182 thousand tons of grain were delivered under the" wheat agreement "from Canada." At the end of the war, Lend Lease ended.
After the war, the USSR gave priority to heavy industry, where a lot of labor was sent, but, moreover, the agrarian regions were destroyed and had to be rebuilt, and here still "The situation was significantly complicated by the drought and famine of 1946-1947. The drought covered almost all grain regions of the country: Ukraine , Moldova, the right bank of the Lower and Middle Volga, the Central Black Earth Region. "
As a result, the last famine in the USSR.
For comparison, the United States said that the disaster that survived the USSR for America's recovery would have lasted two decades.

[citizen]

Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

After the war, the USSR gave priority to heavy industry where a lot of labor was sent, but, moreover, the agrarian regions were destroyed and it was necessary to restore

Actually, you can't argue with that, the famine 47 is completely on the conscience of the Soviet leadership.

Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

For comparison, the United States said that the disaster that survived the USSR for America's recovery would have lasted two decades.

This is not how it does not justify the incompetence that led to the death of tens of thousands of people.

Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

The USSR had agreements with these states and could not fail to fulfill this word without damaging its reputation, but still the export of grain was less than 10%.

Didn't the famine damage your reputation?
There is no need to make more monsters out of Soviet leaders than they really were. They did not trade the lives of their citizens for reputation in the outside world. It was the usual incompetence.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

4 years of war, the export of black soil and grain, the burning of crops and villages, the export of manpower abroad, the murder of 20 million people and the destruction of cities and industries caused by the invasion of the Germans

there WAS bread in the country and through Novorossia / Bessarabia, dying of hunger, echelons with bread went to neighboring Romania and Hungary, where therefore no one died

[Kozak Za Bugra]

The USSR had agreements with these states and could not fail to fulfill this word without damaging its reputation, but still the export of grain was less than 10%.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

The USSR had agreements with these states and could not fail to fulfill this word without damaging its reputation, but still the export of grain was less than 10%.

cite these "treaties" with Romania, Hungary, etc.

There was FREE help to "brotherly" peoples, what is a "word"?

In Romania, no one died, across the river, and in Moldova, from 100 thousand

[ivan2022]

Quote: Olgovich

There was FREE help to "brotherly" peoples, what is a "word"?

No one died in Romania, through the "Great Contribution" - the Shirokorada River, and in Moldova - from 100 thousand

Chicks of Khrushchev's Nest and 20th Patrons' Congress are alive and working!
In 2015, the book "The Great Contribution" was published by A. Shirokorada, which tells about the greatest post-war indemnity in the history of mankind, which allowed the USSR to recover in less than 10 years.
And what about the War?
POLAND. HUNGER IN WESTERN UKRAINE. Berlin. 09.01.32 Newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung". “The three-year economic crisis in the country and the enslaving position of the peasantry led to the ruin and collapse of Polish agriculture, which was already weak and backward. ... The state, which lives under the threat of bankruptcy, is ruthlessly extracting these arrears from the impoverished peasantry. Especially fierce extortions fall on the Ukrainians and Belarusians. The arrival of the bailiff plunges the village into panic. ".

Polish newspaper Novy Chas: “In the Hutsul region, the number of starving households in 1932 reached 88,6%. The property of Polish landowners during these years reached 37% in Stanislavsky Voivodeship, 49% in Polesie. On the landowners' lands, even in lean years, the peasants worked for the 16th or 18th sheaf. In March, about 40 villages of Kosiv, 12 villages of Naddvirnyansky and 10 of Kolomiysky districts went on hunger strike. " The newspaper notes: “People are swelling with hunger and dying on the move. Hunger is especially fierce in the villages - Perekhresnya, Staryi Gvizdtsy, Ostrovtsi. Typhoid fever and tuberculosis quickly spread along with the famine.

[Olgovich]

Quote: ivan2022

In 2015, the book "The Great Contribution" was published by A. Shirokorada, which tells about the greatest post-war indemnity in the history of mankind, which allowed the USSR to recover in less than 10 years.

indemnities covered only 4 (FOUR!) percent of the damage, so they raised / restored on their hump and blood.

Quote: ivan2022

... "Proletar". 09.04.32/XNUMX/XNUMX Hunger is especially fierce in the villages - Perekhresnyakh, Staryi Gvizdtsy, Ost

Such are the fraudulent comm newspaper of the newspaper, what can you do: NOBODY knows more about these "clever" ones. In contrast to the MILLIONS who died with cannibalism and corpse-eating in a "nogodny" state at the same time

Quote: ivan2022

09.01.32/XNUMX/XNUMX The Bessarabskaya Pochta newspaper, published in Russian in Chisinau, wrote: "Bessarabia has gone through two hungry years over the last five years."

there were hungry years, no doubt, BUT! -no one died, moreover, in this and 33rd year from the "blessed" MASSR of Ukraine through the Dniester hundreds of families fled from starvation to "starving" Romania.

Quote: ivan2022

In Romania, no one died, across the river, and in Moldova, from 100 thousand

this is exactly what happened in 1946-47, when 5% of the population of the MSSR died

[ivan2022]

[quote = Olgovich] [quote = Kozak Za Bugra]
Nobody died in Romania, across the river, and in Moldova, from 100 thousand [/ quote]

HUNGER IN ROMANIA. "Proletar." 09.04.32/1933/XNUMX, In Romania and Yugoslavia, severe flooding, causing great damage, there are human casualties. Many casualties in Bessarabia, especially in the Forty. The railway connection between Chisinau and Bucharest, as well as between Bukovina and Poland was interrupted. April XNUMX Romanian, Austrian, Hungarian and Ukrainian newspapers reported mass mortality due to hunger in boyar Romania.

Vein. January 09.01.32, XNUMX. The Bessarabian Post newspaper, published in Russian in Chisinau, wrote: "Bessarabia has survived two hungry years in the past five years."

Vein. 07.11.32/100/XNUMX, the "Dimineac". From Bucharest, they say: “Hunger riots in Chisinau do not stop. In November, bread prices increased by XNUMX%, however, it disappeared from the market. A crowd of several hundred people stormed the bakery; it was dispersed by the police, there are wounded. In Tekinshite leprosy patients fled from the hospital because they were not given food for a week, they went on a hungry campaign to Bucharest, and gendarmerie detachments were sent against them.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Olgovich

Nobody died in Romania

Et - yes! Romania is the land of the elite!
Vein. 07.11.32, "Dimineatsa". It is reported from Bucharest: “The hunger riots in Chisinau do not stop.

Lviv newspapers reported that in the Carpathian region, the population of Western Ukraine lives in terrible poverty. There are villages in the Kalush Voivodeship where entire families die out of hunger. After the ban by the Polish government to engage in woodworking in a lean year, the Hutsuls did not have any means of subsistence. The government did not provide any help to the starving. People became extinct families.

[Kozak Za Bugra]

The article is objective, thanks, I knew a lot of facts, but I also learned a lot.

[BAI]

1813 year. Reasons: crop failure, war. How the authorities fought: in no way. Coefficient increase mortality in starving provinces by 2.7.
1833 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Increasing the odds mortality in starving provinces by 2.4.
1839 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Increasing the odds mortality in starving provinces by 2.4.
1844 year. Reasons: drought, crop failure. How the authorities fought: in no way. Coefficient increase death rate in starving provinces by 2.1

You're all lying. Ask the monarchists, they will not let you lie. There was never a famine in tsarist Russia. And it couldn't be by definition. The people prospered. It was all the damned Germans who rewrote history.
You would still remember the blessed Nicholas 2:

At the beginning of the 20th century, the years were hungry in Russia: 1901-1902, 1905-1908 and 1911 - 1912.

In the years 1901 - 1902, 49 provinces went hungry: in 1901 - 6,6%, 1902 - 1%, 1903 - 0,6%, 1904 - 1,6% of the population.

From 1905 to 1908, from 19 to 29 provinces starved to death: in 1905 - 7,7%, 1906 - 17,3% of the population.

In 1911 - 1912, over 2 years, famine swept 60 provinces: in 1911 - 14,9% of the population.

30 million people were on the verge of death

[Cartalon]

A rare article, where in the comments Olgovich just smashed the komunyak.

[place]

Quote: Cartalon

in the comments Olgovich, just smashed the komunyak

Olgovich and in general the USSR smashes as he wants, komunyaki created .......... True, after they dealt with THIS and the truth-tellers and russ-lovers like Chubais and Yeltsin paved the way for him. A happy time for the truth-tellers and the Russian people in general has come!
Only one thing is not clear; As I look at the demographic graphs, for some reason it was after 1991 that things went really bad for the Russian people, where did it come from?
Like with such heroes as Olgovich - everything should be OK?

[fuxila]

truth-tellers and russ-lovers like Chubais and Yeltsin.

Forgot to add that both are members of the CPSU!

[ivan2022]

Quote: fuxila

Forgot to add that both are members of the CPSU!

And Olgovich was not a member of the CPSU? I admit it ... Judas Iscariot was even a "member" of the Apostles of Christ, so what? You are also some kind of strange, as I see ...

[fuxila]

You are also some kind of strange, as I see ...

What's so strange about that? The USSR was really created, in the words of orta, "komunyaki", ie. "Truth-lovers and russ-lovers" Trotsky and Lenin, but he was also destroyed by "komunyak truth-lovers and russ-lovers" (again, according to the figurative expression orta) by Chubais and Yeltsin, and not at all by aliens or the underdog Rurikovich and Romanov.

[place]

Quote: Cartalon

A rare article, where in the comments Olgovich just smashed the komunyak.

And what, is it possible that nothing useful and, as they say, "constructive" can be extracted from the experience of the history of the USSR?
I did not see hunger, but I saw the "Soviet deficit" that existed for years as the curse of the Soviet system. But then Yeltsin came to power and in early 1992 in a couple of weeks (!!!)- the deficit disappeared and never returned ... A miracle similar to the biblical one has happened! There were no goods and suddenly there are. Where ? Who produced it and when?
Why did goods appear in abundance just when both industry and agriculture began to fall apart? Or maybe there was something similar with hunger, only then they could not overthrow the USSR, and many thousands of "innocent victims of repression" thundered into the Gulag? No answer.......

In fact, we see that with the advent of capitalism, only one thing has changed - it has become more convenient to plunder the country further, and on a gigantic scale ... and to throw the people a loaf of bread made of 2nd grade flour or a loaf of sausage mixed with paper or chicken grown on hormones - actually turned out to be not such a great technical problem. Let them eat and remember with fear how they were starved to death in the 30s of the 20th century! The method of influencing the population is gangster, but effective.

[place]

The question of the famine in the USSR depends on the position; "where to look from".
If we are talking about collective farms and the "genocide of Russians by the Bolsheviks", then in the USSR after 1936 lived about 162 million people. 8 million less than according to the Stalinist census of 1939. Onito and died of hunger.
But as soon as it comes to losses in the Second World War, everything changes dramatically... It turns out that in 1939-1940 so many were annexed to the USSR that the population immediately approached 200 million! (Although there were no censuses for the annexed territories and the scope for the flight of imagination is unlimited)

But after 1945, the number returns exactly to the level of 170 million people, which corresponds to the data of the USSR census of 1939. This "law of conservation" is observed in different sources in different sources, but in the interval between 1936 and 1945 you can practice arbitrary exercises depending on the specific tasks and goals of the authors

[Victor Kolov]

The Romanovs made many mistakes, I disagree with the term. Of course, Nicholas II was the result of more than one century of leadership. The Decembrists were a very serious call, but they were not heard by being crushed by force. In the end, everyone paid the price, including the next generations. But in general, I liked the article very much.

[ivan2022]

The article is objective.
If we recall the main events of the 20th century, then we see huge gain of billions of people from the mere existence of the USSR... The collapse of the world colonial system, the beginning of the path of independent development of China and India ..... But if you read what some authors and all sorts of "Olgovichi" write, it turns out that there is only one very strange people in the World, which is not a fig good did not receive, but only suffered, and these people are Russians ... All this, gentlemen, is already some special and nowhere else seen interpretation of the History of Russia in the form of a perverted mockery of the Russians.

[ivan2022]

If we take a link from Wiki (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks), then we will see - the old man Aloizych in his main work wrote about the same thing as modern "Russian patriots" write about hunger;
"Bolshevism is a curse and a crime against all mankind ... The most terrible example in this respect is Russia, where the Jews, in their fanatical savagery, killed 30 million people (by 1924), mercilessly cutting some and subjecting others to inhuman hunger pangs ..."
And there are many of his supporters in the comments here. And nicho as it were ...... They have enough mind not to refer to their Fuhrer. But the goal is as simple as an orange; convince the Russians themselves that they are a backward people who need external control ...

[alexey sidykin]

The article is just great! I will note one thing, the Samara region. refers to the Middle Volga and not the Lower. And hunger raged and we have Wed. Volga

[Sergei Khukharev]

Respect to the author. But the history of Russia is ours and we recognize it in full whatever it may be. We are moving forward and the whole world recognizes this and our development history is proof of this.

[Siberian54]

These three famines under Soviet rule stood out from the rest simply by relatively complete statistics and politics events and were resolved because of the Korean War, the late plowing of the southern regions of the Kurgan, Omsk, Novosibirsk regions (half cut off in favor of the Kazakhs) and Altai.