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Miller: Europe enters autumn-winter period with half-empty gas storages

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Europe will enter the autumn-winter period with a shortage of gas in half-empty underground storage facilities. This was stated by the head of the board of "Gazprom" Alexey Miller at the International Business Congress.


Europe will not have time to fill its gas storage facilities before the onset of the autumn-winter season, the lag in pumping is very large and currently amounts to 22,9 billion cubic meters. It will not be possible to make up for the lag, but it depends only on Europe, with what volume of deficit it will approach the cold weather.

(...) the gap in gas injection into underground gas storage facilities in Europe cannot be made up. Europe will enter the autumn-winter period with a shortage of underground storage facilities. The only question is with what volume?

- said the head of Gazprom.

Miller noted that it was precisely the strong lag in gas injection into storage facilities that led to an increase in gas prices in Europe.

Meanwhile, a group of members of the European Parliament called on the European Commission to investigate the actions of Gazprom, which, in their opinion, led to an increase in gas prices in Europe. It is easy to guess that all the MPs who signed the letter with accusations represent Poland and the Baltic countries.

Meanwhile, some experts say bluntly that the shortage of gas in Europe before the cold weather and the rising prices for blue fuel are nothing more than retribution for the actions of the European Union. Europe's desire to "punish" Russia with the adoption of several laws, including the EU Gas Directive, has led to the fact that Gazprom is physically unable to increase gas supplies, as it violates European law.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 September 2021 16: 26
    +21
    They themselves are to blame, but they shift the blame onto someone else. They adopted the laws, and who is the evil Pinocchio to them now? Well, of course, Putin, who would doubt ... wassat
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 17 September 2021 16: 31
      +5
      ... Miller noted that it was precisely the strong lag in gas injection into storage facilities that led to an increase in gas prices in Europe.

      Gentle hint.


      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 17 September 2021 17: 31
        .
        But they could have increased the supply of Russian gas through the Ukrainian Pipe several times in order to keep the European prices, but they did not. Is this an Ax in the long-suffering European back?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 17 September 2021 18: 14
          +12
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          But they could, several times increase

          So you would turn to the Norwegians, they say, help out, so and so ... they also have pipes ... or with a bow to the Dutch - good people, you have goods ("Groningen") we have a merchant, let's take it now ... only here somehow the Dutch - "We are on the way to closing the field - as quickly as possible", the descendants of the Vikings ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 17 September 2021 19: 22
            +11
            Ending HBV should be productive. Now the EU is paying an indemnity, at a high price for gas. Poland was also overturned in 25 by Kerdyk Ukratransit. And his expectation is worse than himself. On the economic, sanctions front, the EU lost 100 lard, and Russia 50, but it compensated for it, primarily through the export of the growing agricultural industry. We can say it went to zero. And now, at high prices for hydrocarbons, he simply receives super profits from the enemy. The USA is clear, it's just a despicable bankrupt wassat But the EU is facing serious problems and of course Eastern Europe will now answer for the betrayal. Woe to the vanquished. For the loss in the Third World War - Cold, we paid a very dear price. And the territories were also losing the wealth of the subsoil. Now it's their turn to pay. The US has already been kicked out of South Asia. and they are no longer a hegemon, not a hegemon. The fourth world is over, hello Fifth laughing
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 17 September 2021 20: 03
              +5
              Quote: hrych
              Now the EU is paying an indemnity, at a high price for gas.

              Everything would be fine, but why raise the price of gas at gas stations in the Russian Federation? We immediately put ourselves in the same conditions as in Europe, instead of gaining competitive advantages negative
              1. hrych
                hrych 17 September 2021 20: 12
                -4
                Quote: Tusv
                the price of gas at filling stations in the Russian Federation then raise

                Walk more wassat Here is the question of the battle of Empires, and you have all thoughts about the house with the hog wassat Your name is Vladimir not Petyunya? wassat
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 17 September 2021 20: 14
                  +7
                  Quote: hrych
                  Walk more

                  I'm not with you, I'm in Lasapeda drinks
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv 17 September 2021 20: 17
                  -2
                  Us Vladimirov is usually called the Owner of the World or simply Vova, Volodya, etc. Petyunya is also possible, but it is not safe.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 17 September 2021 20: 25
                    +5
                    It is a big mistake to think that the origin of the name Volodimer means the one who owns the world. In Old Church Slavonic. and in fact, in all Indo-European languages, the World was not the Universe. This is a state without war, it is the same root with death. Therefore, reconcile, reconcile. freeze. In short, move the horses wassat It passed into the world (in the 18-19 century), through the worldly, i.e. mortals. Volodimer and the western modification of the name VoldeMar sounds especially good. There is also an origin from death - measure. And one could suspect that the one who owns the measure, but VoldeMar says, is about dedication to the God of death. Congratulations drinks
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 17 September 2021 20: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: hrych
                      In short, move the horses

                      Thanks. Somehow, we can make it through without heavy transport laughing
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 17 September 2021 20: 34
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                Quote: Tusv
                Everything would be fine, but why raise the price of gas at gas stations in the Russian Federation? We immediately put ourselves in the same conditions as in Europe, instead of gaining competitive advantages

                Colleague, you see how joyfully our turboputriotic fellow citizens are jumping from the rise in gas prices in Geyurops, but due to the limited brain activity, they did not fully understand what the president told them that our price increases are a payment for entering the global world market. bully
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 17 September 2021 21: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  it is a fee for entering the global world market.

                  See, I see. But I think it's time to give the West the same goat face as the United States dropping oil prices while draining the expensive one in its storage facilities and replacing it with a cheap one. Twice it worked for Yankee, but We didn't even try. In the global economy, all competitors, and competitors must be stifled if We play capitalists
                2. hrych
                  hrych 17 September 2021 21: 21
                  +14
                  Actually, the pipe has nothing to do with it, although of course it was about the struggle for resources and energy control, but there was a war with the seizure of territories (for example, Crimea and Donbass) and shelves (for example, Syria). Established control over the seas (for example, Azov). There were launches of long-range combat cruise missiles from both sides. There were coups and coups (Venezuela, Bolivia, Turkey, Belarus and Ukraine). Huge territories and states with tens of millions of citizens changed their regime (Afghanistan, Egypt, Ukraine). Whole armies were destroyed (Daeshak, SSA, Afghan army). Weapons of mass destruction were used, in particular, a combat virus was used. And, of course, the most severe economic, sanctions war, which you would feel when children swelled from hunger, if our strategists did business like the Bolsheviks. I would watch you skip if Obama's words about a torn economy turned out to be true. And Obama may look funny, but he was not joking. Be glad that you did business in such a way that you did not even notice the war. Millions of fighters were not thrown into the furnace and there was no hunger. Turboputriotic fellow citizens is a good term, but turbo-traitors are worse. Like Stalin, with the Bolshevik regime or not, there is no time to talk in the trenches. I like Putin and the presumptuous regime of top managers, but there was a war, and if you didn't throw them into the trenches, then rejoice, and do not rave about the injustice of the system. There are no fair state structures and never have been. Always a snickering elite and a disgruntled man in the street. But under the tsar, the man in the street starved and died periodically, under the Soviets, the man in the street set a record for hunger and losses for some 7 decades. So what? Do you want justice now? This will not happen, and any change will only lead to deterioration. It is a pity that you still do not understand this and history does not teach you anything.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 17 September 2021 21: 31
                    -1
                    which you would feel when children swelled from hunger, if our strategists did business like the Bolsheviks.

                    Not. Under any government, my children would have received HSE, in the sense of Higher education. This is inevitable because competent personnel are needed by any government. And I am for power not for love, but for any bully
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 17 September 2021 22: 15
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                      Quote: Tusv
                      And I'm not for power out of love, but for any reason

                      Cross out laughing
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 17 September 2021 21: 49
                    .
                    Evona, as you have described everything in detail and solidly, the strategic approach is immediately visible, but not the general staff, but the political department wink laughing
                    And, of course, I would have believed in this whole strategy if it had not been reliably known that during these geopolitical and humanitarian cataclysms, our fat rooks did not gain 64 billion dollars in weight!
                    Your strategy breaks down on the mercantile interests of a separate group of citizens who temporarily seized power and if you have an irresistible desire to lay down your bright head for their tight wallets, then pliz.
                    And another characteristic moment, neither in the same geyurops, nor in the damned zaluzhi, they never heard of our political battles, and they live quietly and let rockets with tourists into the sky.
                    Forcing the image of a "besieged fortress" and "all around the enemies" goes exclusively to the "domestic market" and acts on zombies without fail, and in the meantime, you can safely rob gullible suckers.
                    You are being cynically deceived, colleague, but you are not only glad to be deceived, but also replicate this deception.
                    Not someone il fo, colleague, oh, how not someone il fo! yes
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 September 2021 22: 32
                      +12
                      Everything is exactly the opposite, for Europeans, Americans and other Japanese - Russia is the main enemy, unless after the Ebola viruses, etc. We, on the contrary, curry favor with the West, Lavrov is worried and is not even called enemies. So, partners. And how did Crimea end up with us? What are we doing in Syria? And what did Nuland do with the drug tea on the Maidan? Is this all a joke? Have we been deceived, zombified? None of this happened? What Afghans fell from American planes - Photoshop? And in Odessa people were not burned alive, it was our moneybags invented to increase capital. If the people are not starving, and they are not starving. Yes, for the consumer society, of course, everything is not enough. But in comparison with the Soviet man, who by today's standards is just a beggar beggar. Now everyone in the family has a car and more than one, but before, how? Now access to communication, and before you sew and not a telephone, write letters. And what about Soviet medicine? Just a fairy tale. Belt drills in dentistry are closer to the torture room. Ultrasound or MRI, of course, until we open it, we do not understand. Better to smear it with brilliant green. Of course the trees were big wassat Well, now the elite, well, they are fattening, but when did they not fatten? What palaces did the Yusupovs live in? What Art Nouveau mansions did the merchants set up? Under the Soviets? Soldering. vouchers and the black Volga, caviar and bananas to the chosen ones, and the rest of the potatoes to grow themselves. It is not enough to plow at the factory. provide yourself with root crops, you have a plot of barren land. Ugh, disgusting. No, thanks, this is not nat. You are leaning towards this, this is the standard of a just society. Well, the current Tsar does not offend his boyars, but so he returned the Crimea, and did not distribute to anyone without Alaska, the Uyguria and the same Crimea.
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      You are being cynically deceived, colleague, but you are not only glad to be deceived, but also replicate this deception.

                      You were deceived, colleague. I am stating the facts. And I do not deny that our bureaucracy and the layer of managers. cut off to the edge. But this is just the norm of any society and nothing can be done. It's human nature when you get to the trough. But if for the sake of justice to destroy the state, to help enemies, then excuse such people, crush and mercilessly. The besieged fortress you say? And well, missiles were aimed at us, well, NATO is being pushed under our noses? Why are the sanctions announced? For the sake of our bpag, apparently. So that we drink Bovarian laughing
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 17 September 2021 22: 50
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                        Quote: hrych
                        Everything is exactly the opposite, for Europeans, Americans and other Japanese - Russia is the main enemy,

                        This is how the TV tells laughing I assure you that the state of affairs in the Russian Federation to the townsfolk in Canada, Germany and other "enemy lairs" is absolutely cared for, more precisely, absolutely. I know this personally from my own trips and even now in Vatsap yes We just talked to a Finnish woman, everything is good and they are waiting for us, they whine when they take off the covid. restrictions completely.
                        In short, you have fallen into propaganda. trap, but it will pass, facts are much more convincing than words. yes I even understand that for an unprepared consciousness, the revealed background will be a serious blow.
                        And what you now mistakenly consider the state is not, there are attributes, but the essence is not. "It" will collapse by itself, it will simply disappear as soon as it accomplishes its mission. But this is a different story, but you and I will have to live in it.
                        By the way, I am not discussing the USSR now request
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 17 September 2021 23: 11
                        +12
                        Where is the propaganda? There is no her. Masha Zakharova is indignant only, they say, and you yourself and everything. Yasha Kedmi at Solovyov's? So he scares us with the Taliban wassat Where is the anti-American propaganda? Where is anti-European? They try not to touch Ukraine on TV either. Sometimes ukrobobiks are released on talk shows, so they revile Russia more there. If our people hate the West, excuse me, this has nothing to do with TV. I repeat, there fierce enemies are coarser than the word partner and are not used.
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 17 September 2021 23: 40
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                        Quote: hrych
                        Where is the propaganda? There is no her. Masha Zakharova is indignant only, they say, and you yourself and everything. Yasha Kedmi at Solovyov's? So he scares us with the Taliban. Where is the anti-American propaganda?

                        Well, do not belittle the obvious merits of the Prapagandions laughing The population is being duped according to the wave of the program. By the way, this idea was born in the late USSR with the Chumak and the Kashpirovsky, and the experiment was a success.
                        Then this method was adopted by a certain criminal authority in Vyborg and won the elections (honestly), and then they got acquainted ... and the technology developed and has now reached, if not perfection, then the highest point since the beginning.
                        Have you never passed special tests for psychological and physical stability? So there are also professional hypnotists working there ... By experience, they did not succumb or did not succumb to the action of hypnosis out of 29; techniques from the specialty have been developed in the medical field, for example, the coding of drunks and drug addicts). It is difficult to say by population%, but in reality it is large.
                        This I mean that the pressure / psycho-impact is colossal.
                        Manipulations, substitutions of concepts, imposition of stereotypes, and the worst thing is an inverted half-truth-hellish thing. At the exit we have a ready-made zombie, like an ideological one, but inside it is empty, like a drum.
                        In general, colleague, everything is complicated, but you are already holding on. I am speaking now kindly, without any subtext or sarcasm. smile
                  3. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 17 September 2021 23: 18
                    0
                    But what about the desire for the best, for the light? Here are the bandos, like old-timers in the army, they always say so about justice (meaning getting their gesheft). What do you mean by deterioration? That potatoes will have to be planted instead of gmosh pasta from five? Or that they will be sent to fight, having given automatic weapons into the hands of millions of not thieves Russian men? Then the deterioration will surely come ... for someone.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 September 2021 23: 24
                      +7
                      The hard workers could not provide potatoes, and millions of men vote for Putin at 80%. Those. do you think if a war starts, the people will deploy guns against their own and help NATO, Islamists, transgender people and Svidomo? In Russia, weapons are legalized this way, including rifled ones. Follow the rules and buy. wassat And give you the trunks for free? You are not a common case? wassat
                      1. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 17 September 2021 23: 32
                        -1
                        Once one person said: - first we go to Kiev, and then to Moscow. He did not live long after that. NATO members, Islamists and Svidomye are not peoples, but "elites" supported by a not very large number of guns for relatively large sums of money. Therefore, a war like in WWI will not start with them. Such can be the case with China, and then purely theoretically. The question remains the same. What is deterioration?
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 17 September 2021 23: 40
                        +6
                        Deteriorated when the Tsar was overthrown and bloody chaos, the Union collapsed and bloody chaos. If you don't realize that any change in formation ends in bloody chaos, then learn history. How is it in your imagination? Take everything and divide it up?
                      3. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 17 September 2021 23: 57
                        -4
                        I agree, someone prefers Sukhov's version with "better suffer" Works in the event that "cavalry from behind the hills" is expected. There is no such thing ... unless God. .. This is the weak point for which we were taken. And Rust's flight confirms this well. Yes, it is better to cook the frog slowly.
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 18 September 2021 00: 05
                        +5
                        Russia is not standing still, it is moving in the development of armaments, it is moving in the energy sector, roads and a fleet are being built. A space atomic machine is being assembled. So, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk was achieved by making it internal waters, now Crimea was returned, we are fencing Donbass. What do you need something? Blow up the frog by blowing it up with a straw? Who cooks the frog? The frog is full and happy, there are 7 types of citrus fruits in the five, there is nowhere to put cars in front of houses, no, you have some kind of revolutionary situation in your head wassat No her.
                      5. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 18 September 2021 00: 24
                        -1
                        That's right .. There is movement (horizontally true) and progress is visible. This can be discussed. But all this beats with one card - a stable decrease in the number of consumers of all these benefits. And is it good?
                      6. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 18 September 2021 00: 15
                        .
                        Quote: awdrgy
                        Once one person said: - first we go to Kiev, and then to Moscow. He did not live long after that. NATO members, Islamists and Svidomye are not peoples, but "elites" supported by a not very large number of guns for relatively large sums of money. Therefore, a war like in WWI will not start with them. Such can be the case with China, and then purely theoretically. The question remains the same. What is deterioration?

                        Comrade! That's right! +100500
                        Quote: awdrgy
                        Once one person said: - first we go to Kiev, and then to Moscow. He did not live long after that.
                        Sorry for Alexei .....
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 18 September 2021 01: 25
            +7
            Вr Turinhi Good night Since the accident, I have not received somewhere 2021 cargoes of 60 tons of LNG. The launch is postponed to March 100. And now "the cherry on the cake" sit and hold on. The cause of the accident and the fire of the liquefaction turbine filter, filter clogged with midges. Mosquitoes help Gazprom. The filter regulations are changed every two years. At the time of the accident, the filters have not changed for FOUR years !!! It’s a little expensive to master. That in vain Medvedev gave them an empty land without gas in the Barents Sea.
        2. fif21
          fif21 17 September 2021 21: 47
          +7
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          But they could, several times increase the supply of Russian Gas through the Ukrainian Pipe,

          Gas prices are higher in Asia! And the Power of Siberia is pumping well to China. In Europe, they did not understand that they were no longer the main consumer of gas from the Russian Federation. Ukraine's behavior is bad, so the Ukrainian pipe is a pipe. hi
    2. Gunther
      Gunther 17 September 2021 18: 21
      +11
      I hope the winter in small-shaven (and European) will be harsh, and it will probably clear the heads of those who, for the sake of the United States, are ready to break all the pots with Russia.
      otherwise, the Ukei, due to their squalid nature, have adapted themselves not to turn on heating in winter (expensive), which in a mild climate allows them to manage with only 3 layers of blankets.
      they need a good Russian winter, it will put everything in its place.laughing
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 17 September 2021 18: 59
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They themselves are to blame, but they shift the blame onto another. Adopted laws

      recourse So who knew that this would happen? request It was not a controlled Russia that did everything on purpose. Since the beginning, pipes for cheap gas have been abandoned and replaced by expensive state-owned LNG. And the Poles with the meal have already started up hubs for LNG, and Germany has promised to build the states at home. "Just let me start SP-2." recourse And we did not oust anyone. The US itself slipped into the more expensive Asian market.
  2. Flooding
    Flooding 17 September 2021 16: 27
    +5
    Living by the letter of the law is quite in the spirit of respectable burghers.
    How many of those cold weather.
    In the end, for the winter, you can move south, to warm Italy and Greece.
    Seasonal gas migration))
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 17 September 2021 17: 07
      +4
      There is no tama mestaff, migrants, however.
    2. Gunther
      Gunther 17 September 2021 18: 42
      +6
      Quote: Flood
      In the end, for the winter, you can move south, to warm Italy and Greece.

      The small-shaven ones are now cut off shmat, and there are enough of their own migrants in the Europeans, they will say to gas migrants:
      - Who you are?! You are not expected here!laughing
      and covidlo-constraints, the evil delta strain ...
  3. Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 17 September 2021 16: 28
    +12
    Europeans, if you want gas at an adequate price, rustle energetically with permits. And the Russian Federation can wait without listening to the conditions and requirements. Nothing personal just business. Beautiful! smile
  4. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 17 September 2021 16: 32
    +21
    Gazprom 100% fulfilled all of its contractual deliveries, the rest was due exclusively to European gas traders, they dispersed the spot price ... Gazprom did not trade on spots.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 17 September 2021 16: 46
      +4
      Quote: From Tomsk
      the rest is due exclusively to European gas traders

      the German company BASF SE (the world's largest chemical concern) said that it could not completely neutralize the impact of record electricity prices, despite the fact that it itself produces 80% of the energy consumed;
      Germany's Aurubis AG, the continent's largest copper producer, said electricity costs have already driven down profits and will continue to weigh on margins until the end of 2021;
      Norwegian company Yara International ASA (one of the world's largest suppliers of mineral fertilizers) said that due to record high gas prices, it will reduce ammonia production at European plants by about 40% by the beginning of next week;
      North American company CF Industries Holdings (producer and distributor of agricultural fertilizers) announced that it is suspending the work of 2 enterprises in the UK due to a sharp increase in fuel prices.
      https://neftegaz.ru/news/finance/697407-situatsiya-v-evrope-tseny-na-elektroenergiyu-rastut-rentabelnost-promyshlennykh-predpriyatiy-padaet/

      Gazprom is proceeding almost according to last year's schedule ...
      For 8,5 months 2021 The company increased exports to non-CIS countries to 138,6 billion m3 ... Growth, compared to the same indicator in 2020, by 17,4% or 20,6 billion m3 ... https: // neftegaz.ru/news/companies/697192-za-8-5-mes-2021-g-gazprom-narastil-dobychu-gaza-eksport-tozhe-rastet/
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 September 2021 16: 56
        +2
        How pleasant it is to read about European capitalists! hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 17: 27
          -3
          Quote: tralflot1832
          How pleasant it is to read about European capitalists!

          It would be even more pleasant if our population lived at a standard of living higher than the European one.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 September 2021 18: 03
            +12
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            if our population lived at a standard of living higher than the European one.

            room temperature in winter
            Great Britain - 15,2 ° C
            France - 16,8 ° C
            Spain - 17,8 ° C
            Netherlands - 16 ° C
            Germany - 17 ° C

            now their love for plaids and warm sweaters is understandable
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 18: 15
              0
              We have a norm of 18 ° C, but for some reason I am sure that your house is at least 23 ° C in winter. wink
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 September 2021 21: 01
                +8
                I'll tell you a secret that 18 and 15 are a very big difference
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 21: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I'll tell you a secret that 18 and 15 are a very big difference

                  I know. But when you have 23-25 ​​at home, I don't care what the norm is. request
                  And I also don't care how much gas Europe has in storage, because I am more worried about the prices for firewood (which this year have grown by about 20%), because the promised gas has been drawn to my mother for more than 10 years. And these are not two houses in a remote village, but actually more than two hundred households.
            2. VicktorVR
              VicktorVR 17 September 2021 18: 25
              +8
              More price tags for electricity and heating, relative to the salary, add, and it turns out that living in Russia is not so expensive :)
              1. Denis812
                Denis812 17 September 2021 20: 28
                +1
                I have an apartment in Krakow - 72 meters + 2 balconies. Kom services PLN 400 on average. This is something like 7-8 thousand rubles.
                For a house in Zakopane, I pay a communal apartment for a fraction of zlotys, but this is because I live there only on short trips. The house itself is 220 meters.
                But for a hut in St. Petersburg on Kuznetsova, 68 meters, just yesterday the bill fell - 4800 rubles.
                So yes, living in Poland is more expensive in terms of public services. But what pleases me is that it is really visible - oil fell - benz fell in price. Oil has risen - benz has risen in price. Also with a communal apartment.
                Living in the Russian Federation I saw only growth. Never otherwise.
                1. Dkuznecov
                  Dkuznecov 17 September 2021 21: 26
                  -1
                  Korolyov. The house is 20 years old (young isho).
                  A hundred squares apartment. In the summer of 4500,
                  in winter around 9000 because of heating.
                  I will not say about the rest of the apartments and houses
                  exactly, but there is a dramatic difference,
                  c - depending on the HOA or utility rates.
                  I was just not interested (to nothing, not the amounts,
                  to hammer your head)
                  1. Denis812
                    Denis812 17 September 2021 21: 48
                    -3
                    I agree.
                    zp I have about Lyama if you count in Russian rubles. So yes, the difference is visible, but it doesn't make much sense.
                    But for the guys who are just moving or planning - this is extremely important for them
                    1. Dkuznecov
                      Dkuznecov 17 September 2021 22: 02
                      0
                      Well, yes, as in Alanya (Turkey), neighbors came running with bulging eyes,
                      when they paid for a month of using an electric stove some absolutely cosmic money.
                      We quickly switched to gas.
                      1. Denis812
                        Denis812 17 September 2021 22: 24
                        -2
                        I don't have gas anywhere, but yes, prices in the EU are growing. For those who are not on gas it is not so cool, but still
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 17 September 2021 18: 08
          .
          Quote: tralflot1832
          How pleasant it is to read about European capitalists!

          In the morning America has already died along with the dollar, now Geyropa will soon die of cold!
          Well, after that we will definitely live! bully
  5. prior
    prior 17 September 2021 16: 33
    +23
    Miller should be the last to worry about the fact that Europe will enter the autumn-winter period with a gas shortage.
    Let them thank the Swiss who have recalled their pipelayer, let them thank their overseas friends for the SP-2 sticks in the wheels. Let them thank their managers who have brought gas prices to $ 1000.
    While they were looking for how to shit on us, we built ...
    It's a pity they don't have their grandfather Krylov.
    He said a long time ago - as he comes around, he will respond.
    Well, that has responded.
    And let Miller not worry, our gas will not rot like an expired product.
    He still always has someone to warm up. wink
    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 17 September 2021 16: 50
      +15
      As soon as the first frosts pinch the delicate skin of the members of the European Commission, and a beautiful blush will paint their chubby cheeks, the understanding of the question will immediately come that SP-2 is a lifeline. Ambition and cheap show-off should be postponed until spring.
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 17 September 2021 17: 53
        +11
        "As soon as the first frosts bite the delicate skin of the members of the European Commission ..."
        If it begins to pinch the skin of members, they will put them in Ukraine and launch SP-2
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 September 2021 17: 59
        0
        why, if you throw the bodies from the stub into the stove, then it is quite possible
      3. isv000
        isv000 20 September 2021 23: 21
        0
        Quote: Silver bullet
        As soon as the first frosts pinch the delicate skin of the members

        Yes, you are a romantic, my friend! laughing
  6. svoit
    svoit 17 September 2021 16: 36
    .
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Gazprom did not trade on spots.

    Where are the effective managers? Will they get theirs anyway?
    Quote: prior
    Let them thank their managers who have brought gas prices to $ 1000.

    We should thank them and use them.
  7. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 17 September 2021 16: 39
    +2
    So a small price of some kind. Let it be $ 5000 for 1000 cubes. Or $ 10000.
    And it is somehow modest for mother (grandmother) Europe! Laughter and only what they fought for - they ran into it! Hypocrites!
    1. alch3mist
      alch3mist 17 September 2021 18: 40
      -2
      Let $ 5000 be for 1000 cubes. Or $ 10000.

      Just do not bury yourself in dreams, otherwise it turns out that it is cheaper to pedal.
  8. kventinasd
    kventinasd 17 September 2021 16: 46
    +13
    Gazprom fulfills all its long-term contracts, and this is the main thing, it also chooses all quotas for transit through Ukraine. So it is impossible to present anything to Gazprom. Under the contract with Ukraine (which was imposed on Gazprom), all additional supplies must be paid at an increased tariff, and the price will increase with each additional. cube of gas. Therefore, it is simply profitable for Gazprom to fulfill current contracts and make reserves in its storage facilities. And Europe, which is the funny thing, itself obliged Gazprom to tie its prices to the stock exchange. Hence the hysteria and helpless anger of the Euro-officials. And one more pleasant moment for Gazprom - all the 3 billion dollars that it paid to Ukraine by the decision of the European court, both of them have already given back laughing
    1. prior
      prior 17 September 2021 16: 52
      +7
      Oh, I think they will not get off with 3 billion this time ... good Morozov has not begun yet ...
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 17 September 2021 16: 54
        +5
        Quote: prior
        Oh, I think they will not get off with 3 billion this time ...

        So, it's not over yet! wink
  9. gx200gx
    gx200gx 17 September 2021 17: 06
    +4
    Here, as in the proverb, "DO NOT spit in the well, you will have to drink!". For that fought for it and ran !
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 September 2021 17: 39
      .
      Quote: gx200gx
      Here, as in the proverb, "DO NOT spit in the well, you will have to drink!".

      Alaverdi in relation to Gazprom laughing
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 September 2021 17: 06
    +3
    The main theses of Comrade Mr. Miller: 1. Gas prices may return to growth. 2 Europe will enter winter with a shortage of gas in storage facilities. 3 Gazprom can always increase gas supply in winter using the new Saw Gazprom strategy. good sounds for Ukraine, Poland and the rest of Europe. Especially Small Britain, they generally agreed to limit gas supplies. I will translate into Russian - "not cards" but close.
  11. wow
    wow 17 September 2021 17: 07
    +1
    As in the old saying - "... look for the guilty in the mirror ..."!
  12. HAM
    HAM 17 September 2021 17: 07
    +4
    Maybe we will wait until the moment when European refugees will rush as migrants to warm countries such as Libya, Iran, Somalia ... laughing
    Alexey, you can sell gas to Europeans in cans and bubbles, they will master it .. wassat but they will buy! they are such economists ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 September 2021 17: 57
      +4
      Quote: HAM
      You can sell gas to Europeans in cans and bubbles, they will master it ..

      well no, probably only in balls
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 September 2021 18: 36
        +5
        The increase in gas supplies to Europe will look like this until Nord Stream 2 is launched.
  13. Andobor
    Andobor 17 September 2021 17: 22
    +2
    European firms that have long-term contracts, and they are large, set policy, the same is not badly profitable, therefore you should not expect a quick change in European legislation, Russia will not be in a hurry to change its own, it is not profitable at the moment, although it is so you can solve problems with the energy package.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 September 2021 17: 28
    +2
    And yesterday it was written that the storage facilities are 70% full
    On the contrary, 90% of last year.

    For some reason, the hysteria with the gas refinery is only about Europe, where LNG is not supplied, allegedly due to even HIGHER prices in Asia.

    Let's see, if everything is not forgotten in a month, then it is ...
  15. New Year day
    New Year day 17 September 2021 17: 37
    .
    Interestingly, it was Gazprom that did not fill its storage facilities with gas and stopped pumping gas several times. Overcapacity of pipelines
    Miller's big blackmail is evident. Let's see the EU response
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 September 2021 17: 51
      +11
      Quote: Silvestr
      Miller's big blackmail is evident.

      The trouble is the trouble ...
      Europe's desire to "punish" Russia with the adoption of several laws, including the EU Gas Directive, has led to the fact that Gazprom is physically unable to increase gas supplies, as it violates European law.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 17 September 2021 19: 41
        +9
        Quote: Paranoid50
        The trouble is the trouble ...
        Europe's desire to "punish" Russia with the adoption of several laws, including the EU Gas Directive, has led to the fact that Gazprom is physically unable to increase gas supplies, as it violates European legislation

        He doesn't care, his task is to throw on the fan
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 17 September 2021 17: 52
      +11
      Quote: Silvestr
      Miller's big blackmail is evident. Let's see the EU response

      And what is the blackmail ... someone was not supplied ... 138,6 billion m3 were supplied, a record for the same period of 141,3 billion m3
      for 8,5 months The company increased its exports to non-CIS countries to 138,6 billion m3. Gazprom continues to supply gas at a level close to the historically record (141,3 bcm in the same period in 3). Growth, compared to the same indicator in 2018, by 2020% or by 17,4 bcm. In particular, the company increased gas supplies: to Turkey (by 20,6%), Germany (by 3%), Italy (by 157,7%), Romania (by 35,8%), Serbia (by 15%) ), Poland (by 347,6%), Bulgaria (by 125,9%), Greece (by 11,4%), Finland (by 52,3%). https://neftegaz.ru/news/companies/12,8-za-19-697192-mes-8-g-gazprom-narastil-dobychu-gaza-eksport-tozhe-rastet/

      The storages are not full ... the heating season was longer, the heat here somehow ... the winds are not the same ... the current consumption did not allow pumping into the bins ... Gazprom has to do with, supplies are at a high level ... Screwdriver for what ... there is a legal document that obliges to satisfy all applications ???
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 September 2021 18: 08
      +6
      You are the advocate of Europeans. Get acquainted with the reports of Gazprom. So far in two quarters. Comrade Miller announced according to the plan (Contracts) Europe will receive its 138 billion cubic meters in 2021. And we do not care that solar panels in Europe live their own lives and that the wind has died down for lapushkov. As there is in the slogan "Gazprom people's property", I completely agree that it will be enough to trade it, not a cubic meter of gas in excess of the contracts.
  16. cniza
    cniza 17 September 2021 17: 51
    +7
    Gazprom is physically unable to increase gas supplies, as this violates European legislation.


    And also the refusal to sign long-term contracts - we decided to play the market ...
  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 September 2021 17: 55
    +8
    for me, let them at least let them freeze in figs, or let the demoniac greta and green sectarians make the dynamo spin
  18. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 17 September 2021 18: 10
    -8
    Meanwhile, some experts say bluntly that the shortage of gas in Europe before the cold weather and the rising prices for blue fuel are nothing more than retribution for the actions of the European Union.

    This means that we are waiting again for an increase in gas tariffs for the Russian consumer and then again for everything! fellow
    There is no need to look far for examples - the recent jump in prices for metal and timber.
    The "explanation" was exactly the same: "Tyk, prices on the world market have gone up ...." lol
    And do not care that this raw material is mined in the Russian Federation. The bowels are like that quote from the movie "I'm not afraid with you": - This is my tooth.
    - Have you heard ?! What a stupid one! He is not yours and not even mine, he is already theirs! laughing
  19. north 2
    north 2 17 September 2021 18: 52
    +6
    in Lithuania today, the largest donor to the budget of Lithuania, the Achema plant, has halved its capacity. Natural gas is too expensive, which is consumed most of all in Lithuania by this giant chemical plant. There, as it were, it was not necessary to heat the apartments with firewood in winter, let alone produce nitrogen fertilizers. However, there is no firewood either. The forests were actually cut down and the timber was sold a long time ago. Somehow they are getting on American training grounds in the Baltics ...
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  21. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 September 2021 20: 18
    +1
    Sickle in the balls ... themselves are perverts.
  22. faterdom
    faterdom 17 September 2021 21: 05
    +3
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    But they could have increased the supply of Russian gas through the Ukrainian Pipe several times in order to keep the European prices, but they did not. Is this an Ax in the long-suffering European back?

    Well, not in the back, but lower, and not with an ax, but with a whip, and most importantly - the blow was struck by the European Union officials, who adopted a bunch of directives, which are now being happily fulfilled. And also those who prepared an enslaving contract for pumping through Ukraine, did not deliver - pay, and if you put it on top of the contract, pay exorbitant prices, therefore, everything within the framework, agreed on 40 - here you are 40 and do not squeak, all the other options are stupidly unprofitable for us ...
  23. svoit
    svoit 17 September 2021 22: 02
    -8
    Quote: cniza
    decided to play the market ...

    Gazprom's prices have been at a loss to Russia for decades, but they were selling not theirs, but ours, so they did not want to raise the price especially, although the market pushed them a little, and there is nothing to worry about Europe, they will be given LNG from America as much as they say
  24. riwas
    riwas 18 September 2021 08: 07
    +1
    Khazin suggests how Germany can temporarily bypass the certification - to start supplying gas under the guise of testing a gas pipeline.
    https://rueconomics.ru/543720-khazin-zayavil-o-gotovnosti-germanii-k-khitromu-zapusku-severnogo-potoka-2-na-polgoda
  25. spech
    spech 18 September 2021 11: 17
    0
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    But they could have increased the supply of Russian gas through the Ukrainian Pipe several times in order to keep the European prices, but they did not. Is this an Ax in the long-suffering European back?

    yes, sarcasm is not in the price here ...
  26. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 18 September 2021 16: 53
    -1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Tusv
    Everything would be fine, but why raise the price of gas at gas stations in the Russian Federation? We immediately put ourselves in the same conditions as in Europe, instead of gaining competitive advantages

    Colleague, you see how joyfully our turboputriotic fellow citizens are jumping from the rise in gas prices in Geyurops, but due to the limited brain activity, they did not fully understand what the president told them that our price increases are a payment for entering the global world market. bully

    This is truly what I tried to convey to the local commentators a simple idea with numbers in hand, as they say. In response, a furious minus ... fool
    Meanwhile, a group of members of the European Parliament called on the European Commission to investigate the actions of Gazprom, which, in their opinion, led to an increase in gas prices in Europe.

    It follows from this: the likelihood of new gas "showdowns" with penalties is high. As a result, it may turn out that the main benefit from the sharp rise in prices will be received by international speculators, and Gazprom - by penalties.
  27. isv000
    isv000 20 September 2021 23: 13
    0
    Europe's desire to "punish" Russia with the adoption of several laws, including the EU Gas Directive, has led to the fact that Gazprom is physically unable to increase gas supplies, as it violates European law.

    Europe: wow! And I made porridge! .. wassat