Indian Air Force intends to purchase Dassault Mirage 2000 fighters

The Indian Air Force intends to purchase 24 Mirage 2000 fighters, the contract for the purchase of used aircraft has been tentatively approved but not yet signed. This is reported by the Indian edition of the Hindustan Times newspaper, citing military sources.

According to the newspaper, the fighters are being purchased to strengthen the fleet of the fourth generation Mirage 2000 fighters in service with the Indian Air Force, purchased in the mid-1980s. Today, the Air Force includes about 50 of these aircraft, which, due to obsolescence, are being modernized at the enterprise of the aircraft building corporation Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The contract for the purchase of 24 Mirage 2000 fighters worth 27 million euros has not yet been signed, but with a 99% probability it will be concluded, as the Indian Air Force is in need of critical parts. Attempts to establish their own production of spare parts and equipment have not yet been crowned with success.

According to available information, of the 24 fighters planned for purchase, 13 are in good condition with a serviceable engine and airframe, eight can even fly. The remaining 11 are partially completed, they will immediately go to spare parts for aircraft of the Indian Air Force.

The Dassault Mirage 2000H / TH multipurpose fighters have been in service with the Indian Air Force since 1985.

Comments

[Niko]

Second hand works, Phantoms still fly in Germany too

[Orange bigg]

Single-engine light fighters are the most demanded niche in the fighter market. And how have we managed not to offer a worthy offer on the market for so many years? Only now have we finally come to our senses and based on Su-57 technologies have begun to create the Su-75.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: OrangeBigg

now they have finally come to their senses and on the basis of the Su-57 technologies they began to create the Su-75.

Aha ... which, according to the "state uncle", will be, or not ....!

[Orange bigg]

What kind of uncle?

.VLADIVOSTOK, September 3 - RIA Novosti. Russia will independently finance the creation of the fifth generation Checkmate fighter without attracting foreign investment, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov told RIA Novosti.
"It does not depend at all on foreign customers. Moreover, we have a budget for this completely drawn up, both with the participation of the programs of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and extra-budgetary funds of Rostec and UAC. As for foreign participation, this is not excluded," he said on margins of the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF).
According to him, foreign customers can finance the creation of a two-seat fighter.
"Foreign colleagues often ask for a two-seat solution - for example, in a two-seat version, we can attract our foreign partners. Although, once again, we can do it ourselves - a matter of relevance," he explained.
According to him, Checkmate is focused primarily on supplies to foreign markets. At the same time, Manturov noted, one should not forget about the adoption of the aircraft by the Russian army.

https://ria.ru/20210903/checkmate-1748450780.html
The Russian Aerospace Forces simply have nowhere to go, since you can't go far on some heavy fighters for obvious reasons. Even the Union could not afford that. It is necessary to change the MiG-29 for something. So there are no other options. Moreover, many technologies have been tested on the Su-57.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In the 70-80s, electric boilers were also "the most in demand" in villages and towns. And we "conquered" into space and washed in basins and troughs.

[URAL72]

You are not romantic at all. All you need to dream about a jacuzzi and a martini under the palm trees. And I agree to a basin, if only Russia had more “basins” with Zircons.

[For example]

Quote: URAL72

And I agree to a basin, if only Russia had more ...

Well-fed hungry does not understand.

You are clearly well-fed.

[URAL72]

Of course well-fed. Army dry ration is very high in calories. And I live well - sometimes in a barracks, sometimes in a dugout, and sometimes I find myself in a rented room without gas, hot water, refrigerator, TV. So I use the basin regularly - do not heat the bath with the kettle.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes, I agree with you. But it is better to have a basin of Zircons and an electric boiler in a rural house.

[teptyar]

why? like to threaten the world?

[U-58]

There was no need to spread rot on the MiG company ...

[hrych]

We had a MiG-21, and against it, it was developed and imposed on the American satellites F-16. Although the Swedes did this, the Japanese, etc. The Chinese came out to the market later with the budget, etc. It is perhaps justified that we did not get into this topic. Rather climbed, but in their own way, what's next. They kept their niche firmly. For yourself, too, it is not necessary, the concept (of gaining dominance) of the development of the Air Force is different. The Americans, too, did not hurt the single-engine scheme, the Raptor and Hornet, as the main aircraft for gaining supremacy and the two-engine deck ships. And the fact that they did not pull the Raptor and decided to make a complete station wagon and brought them to the F-35. Not from a good life like that. Well, they would make an analogue of the F-16, so what? The American love market is closed, and American haters are buying the Chinese J-10. But along with this Chinese goodness, they sold their engines, so the development of the J-10 was actually carried out by Russian "consultants" from TsAGI and OKB MiG. The fighters are powered by Russian and Chinese (licensed) NPO Saturn engines. Therefore, feel free to call it a joint project.

[Orange bigg]

.Americans, too, did not hurt the single-engine scheme, the Raptor and Hornet, as the main aircraft for conquering domination and the deck boat, are twin-engine.

Are you serious? The ratio of F-15s to F-16s in the US Air Force, Israel Air Force is roughly 1 to 3 in favor of the F-16.
The Americans also relied on the single-engine F-35, rather than the twin-engine F-22.

At one time, it was the light Mig-21 and Mig-29 that were the most numerous machines in the USSR Air Force and the most numerous of those supplied by us for export.

... In addition to the USSR, the countries of the Warsaw Pact and other military and political allies of Moscow needed a light fighter of the fourth generation. In KB them. Mikoyan developed two export versions of the MiG-29: "9-12A" - for deliveries to Eastern Europe and "9-12B" - for arming the air forces of other states.

From open data, it follows that before the collapse of the Soviet Union, MiG-29s were received by Algeria, Bulgaria, Bangladesh, East Germany, India, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, North Korea, Cuba, Poland, Romania, Syria, Sudan and Yugoslavia. In total, about 300 fighters were delivered abroad.

In 1993, Hungary ordered 28 MiG-29 fighters, and in the 2000s, contracts were signed with a number of countries in the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia.

In 2004 and 2010, India signed contracts for the supply of 45 MiG-29s in deck variant. Egypt should receive about 50 MiG-29M / M2 vehicles by the end of 2020. In addition, throughout the post-Soviet period, the MiG corporation has been performing work on the repair and modernization of fighters delivered during the Soviet years.

https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/437104-mig-samolet-ubiley

[hrych]

I'm talking about the previous generation of American aircraft, not the previous one. Raptor and Hornet are the main conceptual directions of the post-Soviet period. True, there was also an iron-shaped f-117. It is more correct to call the MiG-29 medium fighters, that the length, that the wingspan, opposite the F-16, differ by 2 meters. And the dimensions of the MiG-29 are more commensurate with the Hornet and even the F-15. And the Su-27 of the same Needle is 2,5 meters longer, except for a wingspan of only one meter.

[Toucan]

Quote: Niko

Second hand works, Phantoms still fly in Germany too

Don't fantasize, the last German F-4Fs were decommissioned in 2013.

[Mavrikiy]

The Indian Air Force intends to buy 24 fighters Mirage 2000, the contract for the purchase of used aircraft is tentatively approved but not yet signed. This is reported by the Indian edition of the Hindustan Times newspaper, citing military sources.

And the mountain gave birth to a mouse.

[Orange bigg]

That's right.

Unexpectedly for everyone, in response to a terrorist attack on Indian troops, Indian aircraft crossed the Pakistani border on February 26, 2019 and launched an airstrike on a militant camp in Balakot.

No less unexpected than the bombing itself was India's choice of obsolete Mirage-2000 aircraft, which have been produced since the 70s of the last century, instead of the modern Russian Su-30MKI.

The Indian edition of Indian Defense News explained the reason for this choice.

The bombing of the militant camp was carried out with 1000-kilogram laser-guided bombs of Israeli production Spice-2000. And since the French Mirages were equipped with these bombs, it was they who were used for the air raid.

The greater radar illumination of the Sukhoi played a role in comparison with the Mirage. The operation required less visible aircraft, as they crossed the Pakistani border. The Indian military wanted to reduce the risk of detection by their radars of a neighboring state.

As a result of the operation, not a single Indian plane was shot down. True, there are great doubts about the fact that the militant camp was destroyed. In the pictures, which were shown a few days after the impact, it was clear that many buildings remained intact, and part of the bomb craters were at a considerable distance from the terrorist targets.

https://topwar.ru/168401-vvs-indii-predpochli-mirage-2000-peredovym-su-30mki-dlja-udara-po-balakote.html

[svp67]

According to available information, of the 24 fighters planned for purchase, 13 are in good condition with a serviceable engine and airframe, eight can even fly. The remaining 11 are partially completed, they will immediately go to spare parts for aircraft of the Indian Air Force.

So I'm wondering and what is this "old thing" for? What can "Mirage-2000", from the 80s, what our Su-30 can not? Did you have a lot of money?

[parma]

Quote: svp67

So I'm wondering and what is this "old thing" for? What can "Mirage-2000", from the 80s, what our Su-30 can not? Did you have a lot of money?

The Su-30 also comes from the 80s (modernization of the 27th) ... with proper modernization it can do a lot, as an example the Indian MiG-21 in the "bison" version, which are better than the early Pakistani f-16s, although they are of an earlier generation ...

[svp67]

Quote: parma

Su-30 also comes from the 80s (modernization of the 27th) ...

Yes ... only they come in a "new look", and this is outright "old"

[parma]

Quote: svp67

Quote: parma

Su-30 also comes from the 80s (modernization of the 27th) ...

Yes ... only they come in a "new look", and this is outright "old"

Indian planes are now undergoing modernization (stated in the article), but India needs spare parts for them, for which the planes were bought ... cannibalism, they will not be put into operation

[smoltish]

"Yes ... only they come in a" new look ", and this is outright" old-fashioned "" - for many tasks it will still do, there will not be enough money for a complete rearmament for the 5th generation. And the Mirage-2000 was also modernized. So don't scold the Indians so much. Quite a normal plane, capable of dealing with Pakistani (look what they have in service).

[mvg]

and what is this "old thing" for?

Cannibalism. For $ 27 million, they get 11 serviceable engines .. plus other spare parts. * in flight condition, taking into account air crashes, it is possible to replenish air squadrons, as well as the purchase of the Su-30MKI. Shikardos, 24 boards for $ 27 million

[URAL72]

That's just the point of money. For one car they pay only 1 lemon euro (plus overhead costs), partly for spare parts. In terms of fuel, the Mirage is also cheaper than the Su-30. With suspended containers, the Mirage can work on the ground no worse than the Su-30MKI.

[Toucan]

Mirage-2000 in the Indian Air Force is mainly considered as carriers of nuclear bombs. It is with this, and not with any unique properties of these aircraft, that the desire to keep them in service is connected.

[svp67]

Quote: URAL72

With suspended containers, the Mirage can work on the ground no worse than the Su-30MKI.

Yes, yes ... Only now it carries up to 5000 kg of load, part of which will go to "containers", and the Su-30 up to 8000 kg, without "containers"

[URAL72]

I read somewhere a calculation on the combat use of aviation over the past 10 years. On average, the combat load per sortie does not exceed 30% of the maximum. Carpet bombing is not often used nowadays.

[smoltish]

"Yes, yes ... Only now it carries up to 5000 kg of load, some of which will go to" containers ", and the Su-30 up to 8000 kg, without" containers "" - well, the Mirage and the Su-30 will be lighter. And with 8 tons, believe me, the Su-30 will not fight. Mirage is cheaper to operate, and it will do quite well for its tasks. These aircraft occupy different niches, each with its own tasks and capabilities. Of course, the Su-30 is a wonderful aircraft, but why should everyone buy only "drying" aircraft now?

[nks]

They are modernized - there are IMA + WTO avionics on the ground and the most long-range airborne missile system in the world with a matrix IR seeker (the Indians are also trying on it on the MCI). And in the context of India, m2000 is generally a workhorse - plaque and level of readiness, which are not available there for ICI.

[75 Sergey]

Each creature by pair

[Klingon]

Quote: Niko

Second hand works, Phantoms still fly in Germany too

Not Phantoms, but Panavia Tornado

[SARANCHA1976]

Carry the Groundhog and Bill Murray

[Vladimir61]

Intend? Let them buy! We, from this deal, neither cold nor hot.

[Roma 1977]

What about Do-In-India Tejas? So they already praised him, too, after all, the 4th generation tailless was born at last, after 40 years. But its own.

[TermNachTer]

Wouldn't it be easier to buy 24 pieces at once. Su - 30, even used, from the presence of the Russian Air Force? Those are even in flight condition)))

[APASUS]

The remaining 11 are partially completed, they will immediately go to spare parts for aircraft of the Indian Air Force.

As far as I know, this cannot be done. As a rule, countries with financial problems suffer from a donor change. The installation of spare parts for the control unit usually carries a certain risk, it is immediately removed from the warranty for all equipment and a bunch of additional problems.

[nks]

Quote: APASUS

countries with financial problems usually suffer

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/04/25/government-watchdog-finds-more-problems-with-f-35s-spare-parts-pipeline/

F))
"From May through November 2018, F-35 squadrons cannibalized (that is, took) parts from other aircraft at rates that were more than six times greater than the services' objective,"

[APASUS]

Quote: nks

"From May through November 2018, F-35 squadrons cannibalized (that is, took) parts from other aircraft at rates that were more than six times greater than the services' objective,"

This flying coffin was designed specifically to pump out money ....... and suffers from the same sores and the same problems.

[nks]

I deliberately highlighted your own quote so that the context of my remark was clear. I gave the link to the F-35 in the USAF for amplification - this is the most wealthy country and the most new airplane. And so, of course, you can easily find a similar one for other types - the type of aircraft as such has nothing to do with it.

Here's some more general information:
https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2002/March%202002/0302cannibal.pdf
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-01-693t.pdf

[APASUS]

Quote: nks

I specially highlighted your own quote,

The fact is that it was not because of poverty that the USAF began to rearrange spare parts from the donor, but the fact is that this failed program is badly stalled. And the Pentagon demands to increase combat readiness. Clash of interests.

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"The mountains are puffing to give birth, and a funny little mouse will be born!"
Could already fly on FGFA, but will be on Mirages

[123456789]

Country Russia Russia Russia France France
Producer OKB Mikoyan, Gurevich OKB Sukhoi OKB Sukhoi Dassault Dassault
Name MiG-35 Su-35 T-50 Mirage 2000 Rafale
Modification of the MiG-35 Su-35 T-50 PAK FA Mirage 2000 Rafale
Start of production (year) 2002 2008 2010 1978 1985
Length (m.) 17.32 21.95 22.00 14.40 15.30
Height (m) 4.73 5.92 5.30 5.30 5.34
Wingspan (m.) 12.00 14.75 16.50 9.15 10.90
Empty weight (kg.) 11 000 19 000 18
Maximum takeoff weight (kg.) 22 700 34 500 35
Maximum flight range (km) 3 000 4 500 4
Maximum flight speed (km/h) 2 400 2 500 2 500 2 340 1 900
Cruise speed (km/h) - - 1 800 - 1 350
Service ceiling (m) 17 500 18 000 20
Power plant 2 x turbofan RD-33 ser.3M 2 x turbofan AL-41F1S 2 x turbofan Saturn "product 117S" 1 x turbofan SNECMA M53-P2 2 x turbofan SNECMA M88-2
Engine power 8 800 14 500 14
Crew (persons) 2 1 1 1 2
weaponry
30-mm gun GSH-301 (ammunition 100 cartridges),

combat load - 4500 kg at 9 nodes of the suspension (in reloading version, with a reduced fuel supply) - not more than 9000 kg,

UR class air - medium-range air R-27 and RVV-AE, short-range missiles R-73, anti-ship X-31A and X-35

one 30-mm cannon GSh-30-1 (150 rounds),

combat load - 8000 kg on 12 suspension nodes:

URVV - R-27E, R-77, R-73, RVV-SD, RVV-MD,

8 x R-27 ER1, 4 x R-27ET1 and P-27EP1,

12 x R-77 RVB-AE, 6 x R-73

dual 30 mm cannon,

rocket armament on 14 suspension points

1 UR air-to-air Matra Super 530 (medium range)

or 1 UR air-to-ground AS.30, AS.30L or AS-37 Martel or

1x 1000 kg bomb or 1 BLG1000 Arcole laser guided bomb or

4x 250 kg bombs or 1x 400 kg cluster bomb

12 250 kg of bombs and 4 8 SD or SD

Produced (units) - 42 17 614 140
More details at: https://avia.pro/sravnenie/voennue-samoletu/result

[Spkrdctr]

I don't understand why the US doesn't sell used F-16s to India. The United States alone has 200 surplus aircraft and will simply be parked when the F-35 replaces them. Other countries have a total of about 50 additional F-16s. Why waste money and effort on the old Mirage 2000? No one is responsible for US foreign policy. In the last few weeks alone, we have left 100 million worth of equipment in Afghanistan! We are a bankrupt country, and no one cares about it. Incredible.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Spkrdctr

I don't understand why the US doesn't sell used F-16s to India.

It's simple. India refused to buy. Moreover, they offered a special created F-21 (F-16 block 70/72), with the transfer of production and technologies. With the ability to service all F-16s from around the world. They do not refuse such an offer, but India refused. Stupidity is of course utter on their part.

[smoltish]

"And they offered a special created F-21 (F-16 block 70/72)" - he wrote about USED F-16s, and you mean NEW and very expensive ones.

[smoltish]

So maybe India doesn't want used F-16s. The Indians already have Mirages in service, no need to retrain. Therefore, everything is very logical.
"Why waste money and effort on the old Mirage 2000?" - and the used F-16s are new to you? And in general, on the Pakistani front, Mirage-2000s are quite good for themselves, look at the composition of the Pakistani Air Force.