Borisov: There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST engine with an imported one on Il-112V aircraft

There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST aircraft engine on the Il-112V and Il-114 aircraft with an imported one, the power plant will be finalized. This was stated by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov.

Answering a question from journalists regarding the prospects of the TV7-117ST engine, Borisov stressed that it would be modified for installation on the Il-112V and Il-114. There is no talk of replacing the engine with an imported one. According to him, the cause of the engine fire on the Il-112V, which led to the death of the crew, has not yet been established.

Regarding the replacement - this will not happen. I believe that the TV7-117ST engine needs to be brought up to a working condition that will meet the requirements of this new light transport aircraft.

- the vice-premier added.

Continuing the theme of the Il-112V, Borisov noted that due to the August disaster, serial deliveries of a military transport aircraft to the troops are shifted from 2023 for an indefinite period. To date, the exact date is unknown.

The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that the aircraft is in great demand among the troops, where it is to replace the outdated An-26 and An-24.

The initial launch was planned for 2023. But this tragedy, of course, will make its own adjustments. To continue testing, you need to quickly build an additional model

- said Borisov.

Recall that the only copy of the Il-112V light military transport aircraft crashed on August 17 in Kubinka, the fall was preceded by the ignition of the right engine. There are no official conclusions of the commission on the cause of the disaster yet.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, this will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

[lopvlad]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

it will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

a greater failure in import substitution than the United States had with the Russian RD-180, we managed to avoid the RD-181, since TV7-117ST is already in the "hardware" and "flies" and they have only on sketches.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: lopvlad

greater failure in import substitution than the United States had with the Russian RD-180, RD-181

Listen, how long can you talk about the RD topic? The lion's share of launches (including 100% manned) in the United States are carried out by Falcons from SpaceX. The Falcons have Merlin, from the same SpaceX.

[Sergey1964]

So, there is already one drawback. Previously, I only suspected, but now I am already convinced that some of the visitors to this resource have the so-called "magical thinking" characteristic of children and backward tribes. They really believe that the minuses will change the facts (in this case, the fact that the lion's share of launches (including 100% manned) in the United States are carried out by Falcons from SpaceX, and the Falcons - by Merlin, from the same SpaceX. ))

[fruc]

Sergey1964
"magical thinking" inherent in children and backward tribes.

Don't be nonsense. These "some" are simply not experts on a wide range of issues, especially in such as "space" and engine building, but express their opinion and must be respected.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: frruc

Don't be nonsense. These "some" are simply not experts on a wide range of issues, especially in such as "space" and engine building, but express their opinion and must be respected.

Do not be nonsense (s). I just gave the facts.
Fact number 1. The lion's share of launches (including 100% manned) in the United States are carried out by Falcons from SpaceX. This fact is easily verified with a simple Google query. If desired, it can be easily rechecked against a variety of independent sources.
Fact number 2. There are no RDs on Falcons, but Merlins from the same SpaceX. This fact is also easily verified and double-checked with a simple Google query.
You don't have to be a specialist to get acquainted with the facts (which, as you know, are stubborn things).

[fruc]

I have nothing on this matter. I don't care what kind of engines the US is flying into space. I'm talking about "magical thinking".

[Sergey1964]

Quote: frruc

I'm talking about "magical thinking".

When they put minuses for an opinion, this is normal. When they put downsides for voicing the facts, this is magical thinking in its purest form.

[fruc]

Ok, let's rely on facts!

[datura23]

And whose opinion can you not respect?

[akarfoxhound]

In specific technical issues, the opinion of a specialist is respected, and not the reasoning of a person far from the topic. As a person - please, dear person, but in order to take him seriously for further conclusions, as a specialist, the value of his opinion is zero! What's wrong???

[hagen]

Quote: Sergey1964

They really believe that the minuses will change the facts (in this case, the fact that the lion's share of launches (including 100% manned) in the United States are carried out by Falcons from SpaceX, and the Falcons - by Merlin, from the same SpaceX. ))

They do not believe, they see that the United States, no matter how hard it tries to stick a stick in any wheel, RD buys and pays quite sane money to a dual-use enterprise. We can say that they do not need our taxiways for flights. Yes, even if they add it to the herbarium. The main thing is that they pay and take, against the will of their own congress. And you - yes, you can consider yourself the smartest commentary writer, the deepest penetrator into the truth and a capable instructor of all the others .... Who will forbid you ?! I don't put any minuses. What's the use of that? Now, if only the nicknames of all marked with a minus or plus would pop up. The gentlemen from VO would have to think about it ...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Hagen

The main thing is to pay and take

You are behind the times. They do not pay any more, and do not take.

[maratkoRuEkb]

here, after all, clarification is needed .... they do not take it because it has already been bought with a margin for the entire life of the rocket.

[donavi49]

And the military fly on hydrogen Deltas, where they are generally world leaders (for the price too).

By the way, the fraudster Musk launched Inspiration, 4 people on an orbital flight, all civilian specialists with minimal training - even a young billionaire who flew around the world in a light plane in 62 hours was put in command.

TV7-117ST is already in "hardware" and "flies" and they have only on sketches.

Their methane VE-4 has passed bench test long ago and are already receiving flight specimens. Yes, with delays and the head Volcano will leave next year.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: donavi49

By the way, the fraudster Musk launched Inspiration, 4 people on an orbital flight, all civilian specialists with minimal training - even a young billionaire who flew around the world in a light plane in 62 hours was put in command.

I am aware - I looked on YouTube, however, in the recording. ))
By the way, you also got three minuses for the facts, but they also gave you three pluses. I put the fourth plus - let them know that there are more of us (adequate participants) here. )))

[anykin]

Quote: donavi49

4 people per orbital flight, all civilian specialists with minimal training

With the function that they will perform in flight, any housewife can be called a civilian specialist)

[Cosm22]

So, it turns out, after "the failure in import substitution in the United States with the Russian RD-180, RD-181", Russia completely lost the market for deliveries of PN to the GSO, and the commercial market in LEO was almost completely taken over by only one private US company? Interesting news ... By the way, it won't be difficult to please us with facts - on which Russian launch vehicles the excellent RD-180 engine is used? We hope we have no failure with this?
We already managed to estimate how TV7-117ST "flies" after 17 August. The pain of the tragedy has not subsided yet.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: lopvlad

since TV7-117ST is already in the "hardware" and "flies"

Such flights, so that testers died during a simple ferry, are not needed by anyone!
It was necessary for those officials who drove the board, to sit on it themselves and fly!
It means that they drove a little on the ground, at the stand. Saved is called ...

[dauria]

It means that they drove a little on the ground, at the stand. Saved is called ...

And right there in the article

There are no official conclusions of the commission on the cause of the disaster yet.

Did you sign up for prosecutors early? And if the reason is not in the engine, but in the fuel system? Or wiring? Or a loose nut?
Or a combination of failures and wrong actions of the crew? Doesn't it happen? How it happens. So wait for the conclusions of the commission, if they deem it necessary to bring "in the part concerning ..."

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, this will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

This aircraft, first of all, is being created for our Aerospace Forces, and they DO NOT NEED a new aircraft, and even a massive one with an imported engine.
Although I believe that the installation of an imported engine is possible, but at the request of a foreign buyer ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: svp67

Although I believe that the installation of an imported engine is possible, but at the request of a foreign buyer ...

Until he and his family fly as it should, no import customer will take him.

Quote: svp67

This aircraft is primarily created for our Aerospace Forces.

I can't argue. But the reason I voiced also takes place.

[Stas157]

deliveries of a military transport aircraft to the troops are shifted from 2023 indefinitely.

You can't even see the horizons? Have arrived.

Usually, dates were given, which were easily shifted. The Il-112 was originally planned for the next 2022 production.

I think that the TV7-117ST engine needs to be brought up to working condition

The TV7-117 turboprop engine (for aircraft) has existed for a very long time. And they still haven't done it. How much more time does it take to fine-tune?

[Barberry25]

and the meaning of replacing with foreign ones? will bring the engine to mind and that's it ..

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Barberry25

and the meaning of replacing with foreign ones? will bring the engine to mind and that's it ..

I just voiced one of the reasons that the engine will be finished, not the most important, but quite adequate.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, this will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

[Barberry25]

just the most inadequate .. either the installation of imported engines is either a rejection of domestic ones, or to procreate entities and spend a lot of money .. ovchinka is not worth the candle

[Barberry25]

not to mention ... who will sell us this type of engine there?

[eehnie]

This has nothing to do with import substitution. The TV7-117 is a mechanical development with years of successfull experience approved in their most early variants in the 1990s for the Il-114, and used successfully in the Mi-38. The problem with the Il-112 is not with the engine, even if an engine failure caused this accident.

Slyusar, the leader of the UAC was right saying that the Su-Superjet-100 is becoming the basis of the regional air transport in Russia. Under this size there is only a marginal demand for aircrafts in the civil markets, and the aircraft projects gain not traction because the helicopters dominate the civil markets. To see it clearly only need to compare the demand in the civil markets of the Mi-38 and the demand in the civil markets of the Il-114 and the Il-112, and the different level of effort required from the Russian Armed Forces in the development of both. While the development of the Mi-38 has been easy and comfortable for the Russian Armed Forces, the development of the Il-112 and the new variant of the Il-114 is having almost only military traction. I have not doubt at this point that also the Russian Armed Foces will move with the years toward the purchase of Mi-38 to replace the An-140 and the An-24/26/30/32. And the same can be said about the Ka-60/62 in the replacement of the L-410 and the An-2/4/6. The Ka-226, Mi-Ansat, the Mi-8 and the Ka-27 families are dominating also since years their size categories. And even there is a strong Chinese demand for helicopters with the AHL / Mi-46, that is in the size category of the An-72/71/74, the An-148 and the Be-200. If some people is not realizing of it still, the time will impose its rule.

[avia12005]

Of course it won't. I am firmly convinced of this. But on one condition: if Manturov leaves.

[skif8013]

Quote: avia12005

Of course it won't. I am firmly convinced of this. But on one condition: if Manturov leaves.

The amount does not change from the rearrangement of the words. I don't think Manturov's departure will change anything.

[Nexcom]

exactly. there will be no Manturov - a similar one will come to replace. the system reproduces itself. change the system - then everything will change.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: skif8013

The amount does not change from the rearrangement of the words. I don't think Manturov's departure will change anything.

of course, if you put the conventional Mutko in his place. And if a person who has been connected with this industry all his life, then very much can change.

[faiver]

And if a person who has been connected with this industry all his life

- these are not "effective managers" ...

[Kuz]

Quote: skif8013

The amount does not change from the rearrangement of the words. I don't think Manturov's departure will change anything

It's like changing bunks in a brothel

[askort154]

Borisov: There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST engine with an imported one on Il-112V aircraft.

We have already swooped in on imported ones - Superjet and MS-21. It is high time to end this "Gaidar" practice.

[Nexcom]

and what does the MC-21 have to do with it? there, if my memory serves me, imported engines on the MS-21 are considered to be the first stage engines (until the domestic ones are finished and certified) and, in principle, are considered for installation on export versions of the liner.
here is the Superjet - yes, initially there was no alternative to the engines, so the French design was installed. yes, everything was designed so that you can't stick anything in there, only to specially develop the engine again. what they are doing now (PD-8).

[askort154]

Nexcom ...... and what does the MC-21 have to do with it? there, if my memory serves me, imported engines on the MS-21 are considered to be the first stage engines (until the domestic ones are finished and certified) and, in principle, are considered for installation on export versions of the liner.

MC-21 300 flies on American engines, and was originally planned to fly on them and fly further (initially 6 engines were purchased)
But the imposed US sanctions forced us to make our own engine (PD-14).
There are no "stages". The aircraft powered by our engines will be called MC-21 310. There are no other "export" options.

[Nexcom]

sanctions, as far as I know, were imposed on the supply of composite materials for the wing. no sanctions have been imposed on the engines yet. no, I agree that ours decided to play it safe. but they talked about the export of MS-21 more than once. and were demonstrated at the exhibition exactly two versions - the 300th and 310th. since, as it was announced, they are planning to be produced for different buyers - Russian and foreign. so let me disagree with your interpretation of the situation.

[askort154]

Nexcom .. but they talked about the export of MS-21 more than once.

Now there are a lot of "talkers - promisers". As they say, dreaming is not harmful. It is already said a lot that the MS-21 will have no competitors, etc.
But life has shown that Russia should rely only on itself. Build all your own, only yourself, which I wrote about initially. If this had always been done, the MS-21 would have been flying on its wings and its engines for a long time. And it happened, and longer and more expensive.

[Nexcom]

yes about the "talking heads" that is just understandable. and that it is time to forget that there are "partners" in the West too. this has been confirmed more than once by their actions.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: askort154

But life has shown that Russia should rely only on itself. Build your own, only by yourself

I want a nanopore sequencer like GridION, and I want a heap of MinION (for work in the field), and not worse than Oxford Nanopore. And yet - a tabletop scanning microscope of Hitachi TM 3000 type with an attachment for X-ray microanalysis. Do you think the Russian industry will pull it?

[Nexcom]

Do you think the Russian industry will pull it?

Will not pull. Especially as regards analytical equipment (desktop scanning microscope of Hitachi TM 3000 type) - there are no domestic analogues. And at least minus - it's true, unfortunately.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Nexcom

Will not pull. Especially as regards analytical equipment (desktop scanning microscope of Hitachi TM 3000 type) - there are no domestic analogues. And at least minus - it's true, unfortunately.

I put a plus. Since I know for sure - it will not pull. Moreover, commonplace optics (optical microscope with phase contrast) do not pull - we just recently selected a microscope to buy in a laboratory, since there are clearly not enough microscopes for work, we settled on Chinese. European ones are better - but we don’t pull European ones in terms of finances. And the Russian performance (I work a lot with microscopes) has already slipped to the level I don't even know what ... as if they were doing it in a garage in an African village.

[Nexcom]

I know. I am a certified specialist in a range of analytical equipment. and work on it. and with him. therefore, in all honesty, we can say that such Russian-made equipment does not shine for a very long time. it's not even regret, it's pain ...

our group includes both Japanese and American devices. and in others too. Thank God there is something to work on. But imagine that the "partners" also forbid selling spare parts and consumables for them? everything will stop at all. but these "partners" can do this. Soviet nothing remained - everything is hopelessly outdated or has exhausted its resource. or both. there is no new Russian either. so you have to buy a western one. or ask for measurements in other organizations. otherwise, there will be nothing to research materials and produce new developments. sadness is everything ...

Shl by the way "partners" sell equipment only under the obligation not to produce military research on it. in addition, there is generally a list of high-precision devices prohibited for sale in Russia. These are the "partners".

Minus, Western liberal adepts ...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Nexcom

But imagine that the "partners" also forbid selling spare parts and consumables for them? everything will stop at all.

I agree, it will stop. Although we (microbiologists) won't quite stop - just go back to the days of Louis Pasteur, the 19th century. Perhaps the 19th century is too pessimistic, the level of something like that of the 60s of the 20th century, we will quite pull.

Quote: Nexcom

but these "partners" can do this

This means that you do not need to give them reasons to "trick", that's all. ))

[Kaw]

This means that you do not need to give them reasons to "trick", that's all. ))

And if they find it themselves?

[Nexcom]

can. but have not yet found it.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: askort154

"Gaidar" practice.

Gaidar worked in the government of the Russian Federation (attention!) From 1991 to 1994. As the chairman of the government - in 1992, as much as half a year. Since Gaidar last worked in the government, 27 years have passed (attention again!). Once again, spell it out. Since Gaidar worked in the government, 27 (twenty seven) years have passed. Since Gaidar was acting. Prime Minister, 29 (twenty nine) years have passed.
During this time (27-29 years), you can be born, graduate from school, serve military service, graduate from a university, marry, have children, divorce and marry again. And what, Gaidar's practice is still alive? Well, you must ...

Quote: askort154

It's time to end

Well, finish it, since it's time - who doesn't give you? And then time goes by. Those who were born after Gaidar left the government had children already in the first grade.

[askort154]

Sergey1964
Gaidar worked in the government of the Russian Federation (attention!) From 1991 to 1994. As the chairman of the government - in 1992, as much as half a year.

But, if you strain your memory, then:
In half a year, he managed to introduce the "Gaidar economy" in the country.
Then there were his support - Chubais, Nemtsov, Yasinsky and others.
They were the "pioneers" of the transfer of Russia to a market economy.
Gaidar's program was based on the following.
In the era of world economic globalization, the Russian economy cannot compete on its own - there are resources, but no competing technologies. Why "puffed up by reinventing the wheel" when you can just buy it.
Therefore, Russia can fit into it only by selling its immense natural resources, and with these funds it can buy finished, advanced products from developed countries. Yeltsin's team accepted this "economic postulate" with a bang, and Gaidar was made his father. From now on I went
collapse of the industry left over from the USSR. For example, the Ministry of Aviation Industry was liquidated, and a chain reaction began throughout the industrial base of the country. The state is completely hooked on the "pipe". When, after the Gaidar-Yeltsin rule of the country, they realized it, the motto was born - "it's time to get off the pipe", or from the "oil needle". As a result, for more than 20 years, 90% of WFP has been profit from the sale of resources. Today this dependence has decreased to 30-40%. So,
Gaidar lowered the country for decades in half a year.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: askort154

Gaidar lowered the country for decades in half a year.

Well, you must ... All Nazi Germany failed in 5 years of war (already 16 years after the war, the country launched the first man in the history of space, not to mention other achievements), and one person managed it in half a year. What kind of country is this that 1 (one) person in half a year can drop for decades?

[anykin]

He's not alone. He is the face of the firm.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: anykin

He's not alone. He is the face of the firm.

What kind of firm?

[Carib]

There is nowhere to retreat, either the engine will be brought in, or the aircraft needed by the military will not be available ...

[Kaw]

I have heard that they are going to start producing the L-24 to replace the An-610, although it is not clear with which engines. Maybe think of something similar with the An-26, buy a license for some foreign good aircraft with an engine, or maybe only for an engine, but just a license, not finished products.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST aircraft engine on the Il-112V and Il-114 aircraft with an imported one, the power plant will be finalized.

They have been developing since 1980, since 1990 (31 years old) they have been piece-production. By 2051 they will finalize and in another 5 years they will certify. And they will start to put on the latest Il-114 and Il-112. Mr. Borisov will just come into full force. He will be ~ 100 years old.

[Fungus]

It is logical. You need to finish your engine anyway.

[rocket757]

There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST aircraft engine on the Il-112V and Il-114 aircraft with an imported one, the power plant will be finalized.

So that is correct, BUT, it is necessary to thoroughly understand and modify not only the engine, but also the systems for ensuring the survivability and safety of the entire aircraft in extreme situations !!!

[donavi49]

Well, balance is important here. Additional fire extinguishers = weight. Additional gains and temperature shielding are also weight. And the Il-112 is already from birth with a tonnage overweight in terms of fundamental solutions and designs. Therefore, it is very difficult to throw them off and at first they threw off what was easier (for example, an open-type chassis, without shields or partially plastic engine hoods, well, etc.)

[rocket757]

Quote: donavi49

Well, balance is important here.

Well, MORE THOROUGH, this is the proposal not to hang EXTRA, but to do it as it is NECESSARY.
Reasonable, necessary, justified compromise.
Do not just show your ingenuity, but calculate everything clearly, as expected, not to the detriment ... there will still be a compromise.

[donavi49]

to hang EXTRA, but to do as it is NECESSARY

Re-calculate the load-bearing structures? So this is a new plane. For this must be done anew, purged, etc. This is partially done on 2-3 boards, but completely scary, because it will fly away in 27-29 years and completely different money.

[rocket757]

It's not for us to make decisions ... after all, we just reason, speak out, from our couch.

[bar]

There will be no replacement of the TV7-117ST engine with an imported one on Il-112V aircraft

Was there such an idea? To put an imported engine on a military transport? Well, this is cooler than ordering a mistral from the frogs.

[Nexcom]

Was there such an idea? Put an imported engine on a military transport

This is impossible ... Originally prohibited. As far as I know, even L410 wants to be banned from using. But for now, Elk is trying to excuse the fact that for the armed forces the modification is being made in the Urals. Although the engines there are still foreign. This is the reason for the discussed decision to ban (unless the production is completely localized, which I personally have little faith in)

[bar]

Quote: Nexcom

This is impossible ... Originally prohibited.

Then why is this article? For the content?

[Nexcom]

Am I the author of this article? you are interested in the wrong address. as far as I know, the use of foreign-made equipment and products is prohibited in the armed forces. at least in the Russian Federation. if I'm not mistaken.

[bar]

Quote: Nexcom

as far as I know, the use of foreign-made equipment and products is prohibited in the armed forces

I know the same thing. And my innocent question was purely rhetorical. It is not clear only why he was awarded the minuses?

[Nexcom]

As I understand it, this is a common occurrence (about the minuses). Dont be upset. They did the same to me.
Or do you seriously think that I threw it to you? No, it's not me.

On the merits of the question: although someone told me that the matrices of thermal imaging cameras are either French or Italian ..... There were. as now - I do not know.

[D16]

Surge and fire are quite common phenomena even on serial certified motors. First of all, it is necessary to modify the glider with its fire extinguishing systems. Even if for the sake of this it is necessary to fasten the wish list for carrying capacity. Take it for granted that on THESE motors on the airframe, SUCH a design can no longer be taken away. And to start developing the next largest theater of operations for subsequent remotorization, as was done earlier on the Il-476. And to blame all the troubles on the engine operators, the position is very convenient for airplanes.

[Avior]

Even if for the sake of this it is necessary to fasten the wish list for carrying capacity.

There is nowhere to screw, and so on 2 tons with a weight they were mistaken

[Nexcom]

if there are more powerful engines (i.e. the amount of horsepower per kilogram of mass will increase), then the overweight will not be such a terrible problem. but, unfortunately, there are none. there is also no finished version of the planned TV7-117ST. In fact, there are no engines at all. Alas...

the problem is that they tried to adjust the mass of the aircraft at any cost to the capabilities of the existing prototype of the engines. Raw prototype.

[D16]

and so on 2 tons with a weight were mistaken

So in the process of cutting these two tons with a file, Zero was most likely made from Silt. Meanwhile, this is a BTA aircraft. In it and MANPADS can fly. What we saw on the accidental filming of the crash suggests that either it is necessary to completely alter the glider with a cargo compartment a la An-26 for TV7-117, or to limit the carrying capacity of the current glider and make a new engine.

[Avior]

To be honest, a 2 ton error at

lifting capacity: 5 t (maximum load)

This is complete tin. One can only guess what kind of jambs there may still be at this level of errors: (((

[Bolo]

Oh, citizen Borisov, Comrade Stalin is not on you! In the best case, I would have rotted in the camps for a long time with my sharaga and family ...

[spectr]

It looks very bad if they cannot name the completion date. This usually means that the product has problems that at the moment do not know how to solve and there are no specialists needed to solve it. In this case, the product may roll out after a year, or it may not roll out after 10 years.
I would not be surprised if another R&D project (for example, the Tupolev Design Bureau) is assigned in parallel for the development of a similar aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

It is possible to envisage an imported analogue ..... it is normal when a commercial aircraft has 2 types of engine.

[prior]

Neither reproduce AN, nor produce IL.
A digitized Russia is not capable of anything.
The breakthrough is obvious ....

[Konnick]

Breakthrough is clear

Here on the forum one of the young developers of this miracle was lit up

But something quickly dumped after 5 comments.

[svoroponov]

That you are all going through. Both the plane and the engine will be brought. Similar things exist in all countries - accidents and disasters. In Soviet times, the press, both ours and abroad, were silent about such incidents in their own countries. Now for the sake of money, political (especially in Russia) and competition, everything is dragged into the press and the Internet and its derivatives.
Well, do not forget about the collapse of the USSR, How much was lost. Now a lot needs to be restored and built, a lot, even from scratch, because technologies have gone ahead. Of course, I want it to be right now and right away. But this does not happen, especially since there are a lot of "well-wishers" abroad. But nothing, everything will be, everything will be rebuilt and Russia will be the best state in the world.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: Vladimir_2U

it will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

a greater failure in import substitution than the United States had with the Russian RD-180, we managed to avoid the RD-181, since TV7-117ST is already in the "hardware" and "flies" and they have only on sketches.

Do not make people laugh!

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Sergey1964

So, there is already one drawback. Previously, I only suspected, but now I am already convinced that some of the visitors to this resource have the so-called "magical thinking" characteristic of children and backward tribes. They really believe that the facts will change from the minuses))

In addition to "magic thinkers" (they are sometimes called jingoistic patriots or turbopatriots), there are also characters involved in organized trolling, alas ...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: p0pulivox

In addition to "magic thinkers" (they are sometimes called jingoistic patriots or turbopatriots), there are also characters involved in organized trolling, alas ...

According to my observations (not only on this resource), their propaganda achieves exactly the opposite goal. That is, it works not for the system, but against the system. Which is not surprising at all - I observed this shortly before the demise of the USSR. The propagandists (who, not at the call of the heart, like Mayakovsky, but at the call of the wallet or career) only caused irritation - accelerating the collapse of the system, which they supposedly should protect and stabilize on duty.

[Ros 56]

And this is true, you need to refine your engine, Nobody knows what will be there in the future. Ukrainians have already shown us a goat, as well as striped ones with a black wing on the MC-21.

[km-21]

The cause of the Il-112V disaster does not look very much like the consequences of an engine fire. On the contrary, it is obvious that the engine continued to run even after the flame was extinguished and only a trail of smoke remained. Most likely, the right engine is not at all to blame. The outbreak could have been caused by burning fuel from a damaged fuel tank. And if so, then a version suggests itself about an explosion of very low power, which damaged the center section between the fuselage and the right motorcycle deck. At the same time, the fuel tank breaks through and a flame of too high an intensity occurs, which is not at all typical for an engine fire. But the biggest problem came from damage to the wing mechanization. Most likely the aircraft was in a pre-landing configuration and the flaps were partially extended. If the flap drive is destroyed only on one side, then this side abruptly loses lift, and the aircraft goes into a deep uncontrolled roll. This is what we see in the picture of the catastrophe.

[Avior]

... a version of an explosion of very low power suggests itself

Rather, damage to the fuel line

[Garris199]

Quote: Sergey1964

This means that you do not need to give them reasons to "trick", that's all. ))

Are you kidding? Tomorrow Psaka will declare that Skripal has diarrhea and mustache .. reel in your fishing rods.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Garris199

Are you kidding? Tomorrow Psaka will declare

Well, then you have to learn how to do

Quote: Sergey1964

a nanopore sequencer like GridION, well, and MinION to the heap (for work in the field), and not worse than the Oxford Nanopore. And yet - a tabletop scanning microscope of Hitachi TM 3000 type with an attachment for X-ray microanalysis.

and a bunch of other things that the Russian industry does not pull and will never pull. Or, alternatively, roll back to around the middle of the 20th century.
And if the option of rolling back to the middle of the 20th century does not suit you - there is a Russian folk proverb "Stretch your legs over your clothes". ))

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Sergey1964

Quote: p0pulivox

In addition to "magic thinkers" (they are sometimes called jingoistic patriots or turbopatriots), there are also characters involved in organized trolling, alas ...

According to my observations (not only on this resource), their propaganda achieves exactly the opposite goal. That is, it works not for the system, but against the system. Which is not surprising at all - I observed this shortly before the demise of the USSR. The propagandists (who, not at the call of the heart, like Mayakovsky, but at the call of the wallet or career) only caused irritation - accelerating the collapse of the system, which they supposedly should protect and stabilize on duty.

I completely agree! In addition to the main idea outlined above, I will add on my own - it's a pity that a lot of money is spent on such activities on TV and on the Internet. They could be used for useful purposes.

[B-777]

There will be no foreign engine due to the fact that it will simply not be sold to us.
The West will not want to help with this much-needed liner.
So we get out ourselves, as we can ... but with metals and alloys, the trouble is ... foreign engines have long kept the gas temperature at 1050 / 1090'C (maximum continuous). Our ... alas ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, this will be an acknowledgment of the failure in "import substitution".

Import substitution is very costly, but necessary. The question of the country's survival.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

And what are the obvious and significant differences between 112b and 114? tell

[Voenmeh]

Yes, we are in trouble with domestically produced turbofan engines. There is only PS-90 and PD-14 and perhaps all