Why the Taliban were in such a hurry to take Panjshir - an explanation from a Western observer

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Why the Taliban were in such a hurry to take Panjshir - an explanation from a Western observer

The photo shows the Afghan army before the capture of the country by the Taliban *


Representatives of the Western expert community are trying to explain the situation in which the Taliban terrorist group (* banned in Russia) needed to take control of Panjshir as soon as possible.



Recall that the Panjshir province until recently remained in fact the last territory of Afghanistan not controlled by the Taliban *. However, in the end, it took the Taliban about 10 days to gain control over the Panjshir Valley, in which the forces of Ahmad Masud were trying to gain a foothold.

Columnist Enrico Refoyo answers the question of why the Taliban were in such a hurry to take control of Panjshir. According to him, it was extremely important for the Taliban "not to repeat the mistakes of the 1990s, when they decided that the Northern Alliance could be dealt with later, at any time." Then the forces of the "Northern Alliance" under the command of Masoud Sr. pretty much "spoiled the blood" of the Taliban and did not allow terrorists to settle in Panjshir.

Refoyo also notes that Panjshir is strategically important. The Panjshir Valley is "the gateway from Afghanistan to China." Taking into account the fact that today pragmatic relations are being established between the Taliban and China and that the Taliban leaders visited China, meeting high-ranking Chinese officials there, we can unequivocally talk about the importance for the Taliban of direct communication with China, which is developing its infrastructure even in the conditions of highlands in the west of the country.

At the same time, a Western observer writes that "the troops of Massoud are not surrendering." They also understand the strategic importance of the Panjshir.

Refoyo:

Radical Islamists can commit genocide in a recalcitrant valley. The Russians, when they fought with the father of the "Panjshir lion cub", did not think about it, but this is a common occurrence for radical Islamists. If the Taliban fully settle in Panjshir, then many local Tajiks will have to flee to Tajikistan. That is why the people of ethnic Tajik Masud are fighting for their lives, while Masud himself continues to lead his troops into the valley to counter the Taliban.

At the same time, a Western observer makes a rather strange remark, stating that "the military professionalism of the Taliban leaves much to be desired" than, according to him, the troops of Massoud Jr. can take advantage.

Further, Refoyo concretizes his statement with the words that if it were not for the Pakistani special forces, the Taliban would not have been able to take the Panjshir.
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  1. +4
    16 September 2021 07: 39
    Panjshir is strategically important
    Obviously, this is the main reason for the Taliban's rush. But I disagree with Refoyo's conclusion in the article.
    "The military professionalism of the Taliban leaves much to be desired" than, he said, can take advantage of the troops of Masoud Jr..
    So why didn't they take advantage of it earlier, but left their positions and retreated?
    1. +1
      16 September 2021 08: 06
      What exactly is going on there and where is Masud going? that's what I'm interested in!
      1. +3
        16 September 2021 09: 27
        Why do you need this? Well, he sits in brilliant green, runs from place to place. Until the cash ends. Or he has already poured out of the country by caravan paths, closer to Batina's money. As for Junior, the question is: will he be able to close the flows of funding for the "fight against the Taliban", or will the Americans send him? If they are sent, they will kill, of course. If they decide that he can, as an adult, sign payment requests and sign for containers with dollars, then he will still live until "his" people are overwhelmed. There is nothing more interesting there.
        The Taliban have taken over the entire country. If they have a real leader who has enough intelligence, then the country will live on, and not so badly. If not, they will fight. But in any case, the West has no road there yet)
        1. -1
          16 September 2021 10: 17
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Well sits in brilliant green

          There is no greenery, stones and thistles wassat Although you are right, on a green lawn, not far from London, he sits and drinks a cocktail. Well, Masoud the elder was extolled. That is how the Taliban kicked him out of Kabul at one time, only his heels sparkled. And from the Soviet troops he shied and dirty, and so-so. Therefore, they did not deal with it seriously, but inflated it in the press. In general, Salang worked in full and okay, and the miserable sabotage was written off as expenses.
          1. +1
            16 September 2021 22: 23
            Masood Sr. and the United States helped, both with weapons and with instructors and advisers. And they don't care for the youngest now. I would take my sirloin away intact.
    2. +2
      16 September 2021 08: 40
      Masoud was alone. I'm not sure that my son will be as successful a commander as his father. Let's see....
    3. +1
      16 September 2021 08: 46
      Panjshir is also an EXAMPLE for other regions in terms of guerrilla warfare against the Taliban.
      The Taliban did not win; lost the puppet government with its western-style army
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 09: 56
        and Pakistan is there ... we were lucky again ...
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 14: 26
          Quote: Dead Day
          and Pakistan is there ... we were lucky again ...

          Yes, Pakistan was very lucky:
          https://youtu.be/XcTecfT-KKY
        2. 0
          16 September 2021 22: 26
          Remind me how and why Pakistan was created? ^ _ ^
          But here, too, the mattresses had a geopolitical blunder.
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 22: 11
            The Americans took over India, once under Soviet influence.
            India's find far outweighs the loss of Pakistan (gone to China).
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 23: 03
              Quote: voyaka uh
              loss of Pakistan (gone to China).

              And here is an interesting point. There is currently no subject of conflict between the United States and Pakistan. America will be able to work with India directly, with Pakistan through Britain and Turkey. I would not be surprised if the supply of Atak helicopters is unblocked soon.
            2. 0
              18 September 2021 00: 08
              Too loud and bold statement. Didn't go over. Leans, yes, but still maintains a high degree of autonomy. There is no vassalage and licking of the American ass in the Polish-Baltic-Ukrainian style.
              1. +1
                18 September 2021 01: 21
                India, by the way, is a member of the British Commonwealth of Nations.
                English is one of the state languages.

                Recently, a new military alliance was created - "Far Eastern NATO":
                USA, Australia, India, Japan. An alliance against China, of course.

                Moreover, another, narrower military alliance has been created: the USA, England, Australia.
                "Union of English-speaking countries".
                All sorts of technological innovations will be here.
                Australia now has the right to build its own nuclear submarines.
                1. 0
                  18 September 2021 10: 32
                  We know, we know. The spiders in the jar are already starting (more precisely, continuing) to eat each other. France has already had a snack. And then it will become even more fun.
                  Just to clarify that Australia is not in a position to build its own nuclear submarines. Murrik will build for her. And the toad-eaters were kicked in the ass. Know your place, lackey.
                  1. +1
                    18 September 2021 11: 07
                    "The spiders in the bank are already starting (more precisely, continuing) to eat each other." ///
                    ---
                    Quite the opposite. Countries form alliances to be stronger.
                    The more associations, the more technology exchange, the more
                    progress.
                    Russia is slipping technologically precisely because it is "stewed in its own juice."
                    No exchange of ideas, no exchange of experience.
                    1. 0
                      18 September 2021 11: 16
                      Is it okay that to this day the Russian language is one of the most important scientific languages ​​on the ball Dirt?
                      Well, let's talk about "our own juice" ... Why is no one even close to being able to create something like the S-500? Jews, ay! You seem to be a smart nation too, and in your own juice, as I understand, judging by the above, do not cook. Not like the Russian lapotniki.
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2021 11: 21
                        A similar S-500 has long been done.
                        In a much stronger and more flexible (in terms of IT) version.
                        This is the Aegis system with the SM-3 rocket.
                        And Israel has a similar system - Hez-3.
                        With a kinetic killer as a warhead in
                        unlike Russian fragmentation warheads.
                        The S-500 is nothing new.
                        But for Russia this is a big step forward, of course.
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2021 11: 30
                        Ostap carried ... (c)
                        In what way is the SM-3, designed to destroy BALLISTIC targets, similar to the S-500, which also works for aerodynamic targets?
                      3. +2
                        18 September 2021 11: 42
                        The SM-3 rocket shot down the satellite.

                        S-500 is a specialized missile defense system.
                        Anti-satellite weapons.
                        Probably, you can try to shoot down an MRBM warhead from the S-500.
                        By range - suitable. Accuracy is doubtful.
                        It is difficult to damage well-protected nuclear warheads with shrapnel.

                        At aerodynamic targets, the main
                        Russian air defense system S-400, replacing the outdated S-300.
                      4. 0
                        18 September 2021 11: 49
                        Who told you that? 0_o '
                        The S-500 is a universal complex, but as with the S-400, the main emphasis was placed on the destruction of aerodynamic targets. This is primarily an air defense system, not a missile defense system.
                      5. +2
                        18 September 2021 12: 04
                        "S-500 - universal complex" ///
                        ---
                        Of course, you can shoot down a flying maize from the S-500. smile
                        But that's not what it was designed for.
                        Its missile is much longer and larger in diameter than the S-400 missiles.
                        Can you imagine the price?
                        All this to reach space.

                        The main missile of the American missile defense system GBI - Ground Based Interceptor -
                        much larger than the S-500 missile.
                        It hits an ICBM warhead at a high section of the trajectory. Russia has no analogue.
                      6. +2
                        18 September 2021 12: 19
                        A bit wrong.
                        The S-500 consists of three parts:

                        General controls: command post 85Zh6-1, early warning radar 60K6.

                        For work in the atmosphere, KP 55K6MA, 91N6AM radar, PU 51P6 are used. Uses 40N6M atmospheric rocket, which is also part of the S-400 complex. In fact, this is the modernized S-400.

                        For transatmospheric interception, PBU 85Zh6-2, radar 76T6, PU 77P6 are used. The 77N6-N missiles seem to be a continuation of the 9M82MV missiles. Which are part of the S-300V4 complex.
                        (of course, this is the main part of the S-500 and all adequate people mean it)

                        Therefore, there is confusion. As I understand it, the air defense unit may not be ordered, there is fundamentally nothing new in it. Enough integration with the S-300/350/400. Most important is the modernization of the radar and control systems.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        The main missile of the American missile defense system GBI - Ground Based Interceptor -

                        What is the A-135/235 not satisfied with?
                      7. +3
                        18 September 2021 13: 07
                        The missiles listed by you shoot down an ICBM warhead during the descent stage.
                        This is an object strategic missile defense system.
                        More powerful (missiles are much faster) than THAAD.

                        GBI intercepts ICBMs "half way."
                        In the event of a GBI miss, there is still a chance to launch SM-3 From the ship a little later,
                        and then THAAD (if it's not far).
                      8. +3
                        18 September 2021 12: 08
                        Quote: Kuroneko
                        Who told you that?

                        Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Yuri Borisov told us all this.
                        “The S-500 will not replace the S-300 and S-400 complexes; it has a completely different, complementary role. "Prometheus" is not designed to destroy low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400, it can neutralize 80 such objects at the same time. The S-500 specializes in targets moving at extreme speeds and altitudes that are inaccessible to other anti-aircraft systems. "
                        "Russian newspaper". https://vz.ru/question/2019/10/2/1000863.html
                      9. 0
                        18 September 2021 11: 37
                        "Russian is one of the most important scientific languages" ///
                        ---
                        Was 30-40 years ago.
                        But even then (and now) all scientific articles were translated into English.
                        All basic journals in basic sciences are in English.
                        All reviews of Russian translated articles are also translated into English.
                        And the citation index is calculated according to English articles.

                        Many scientists from Russia head important laboratories
                        in the USA, Europe. At universities and private firms.
                        Russians are a smart European nation. But the socio-political
                        the system in Russia is economically dead-end and destructive for
                        science.
                        Someday this will be corrected and Russia will certainly
                        will leap forward. drinks
  2. +1
    16 September 2021 07: 39
    The Taliban terrorist group (* banned in Russia) needed to take control of Panjshir as soon as possible.


    At the same time, a Western observer writes that "the troops of Massoud are not surrendering." They also understand the strategic importance of the Panjshir.

    Further, Refoyo concretizes his statement with the words that if it were not for Pakistani special forces, the Taliban would not have been able to take Panjshir
    So did they take Panjshir or not? Akhtor was completely confusing here! laughing

    The photo shows the Afghan army before the capture of the country by the Taliban *
    Nothing so outfit from the "Afghan army". I remember at one time we sewed "bras" from tarpaulin. And the most valuable thing in this operation! Was the old manual Singer sewing machine, for which there was a huge queue.
  3. -1
    16 September 2021 07: 52
    Six cases were opened by the Security Service of Ukraine about the encroachment on the life of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky from the moment of his election to this position. This was reported by the SBU press service.
    This is logical and justified, you should not postpone what may become worse than it is now!
    So they did it smartly, put a tick for "quick wits"!
    1. +4
      16 September 2021 08: 04

      rocket757 (Victor)
      Today, 07: 52
      0
      Six cases were opened by the Security Service of Ukraine about the encroachment on the life of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky from the moment of his election to this position. This was reported by the SBU press service.
      This is logical and justified, you should not postpone what may become worse than it is now!
      So they did it smartly, put a tick for "quick wits"!
      Viktor, was there a post under that article? request
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 09: 16
        KOSYAK!
        Why the Taliban were in such a hurry to take Panjshir - an explanation from a Western observer
        Didn't check what was copied request
        So there is a hole in the old woman, alas.
        1. +1
          17 September 2021 08: 38

          rocket757 (Victor)
          Yesterday, 09: 16

          +2
          KOSYAK!
          Why the Taliban were in such a hurry to take Panjshir - an explanation from a Western observer
          Didn't check that request was copied
          So there is a hole in the old woman, alas.
          Nothing happens.
  4. +3
    16 September 2021 08: 04
    Why should Western observers talk about the Taliban now ???
    1. +2
      16 September 2021 08: 21

      Nikolay Ivanov_5 (Nikolay Ivanov)
      Today, 08: 04
      +1
      Why should Western observers talk about the Taliban now ???
      So this is their bread. They will procrastinate on this topic as long as there is demand.
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 09: 40
        Quote: aszzz888
        So this is their bread. They will procrastinate on this topic as long as there is demand.

        One would like to say to journalists and observers - "Man does not live by bread alone."
    2. Cat
      +2
      16 September 2021 08: 57
      Really. When they appear near London, then it will be just right.
    3. +2
      16 September 2021 09: 30
      A fashionable topic means a good paid one.
  5. +4
    16 September 2021 08: 33
    Why don't they give up there? Kirdyk Masudke.
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 08: 39

      Prisoner (Ayrat)
      Today, 08: 33
      +1
      Why don't they give up there? Kirdyk Masudke.
      Apparently he is counting on something. request Well, they will sing in the caves, and how long they will last - time will tell. And in general, there is no specific information on the complete capture of Panjshir.
      1. +3
        16 September 2021 09: 28
        They will fight as long as the resource will last. Before (during the Soviet era) Pakistan helped Maksud, but now the situation has changed by 180 degrees ...
      2. +2
        16 September 2021 09: 43
        Quote: aszzz888
        Well, they will sing in the caves, and how long they will last - time will tell.

        Frost, lack of ammunition and food, "smoke" from the caves. Where will they run?
  6. +3
    16 September 2021 10: 30
    What nonsense. What does the border with China have to do with it? All that is needed for the Afghans will be brought from China by ships to Pakistan and safely transported on red hacks and Amer's trophies from Pakistan. The only question is that the same Massoud and the rest of the "invincible" have become part of the American order with drugs and a lot of many free dollars. Everyone pretended to be at war with the Taliban, but in reality they shared what the Yankees threw them. it corrupted everyone and when it was necessary to go and shoot a little, there were no heroes. pot-bellied "fighters" were thrown into the air in front of import correspondents into the air (I wonder if for money or so - from the heart), they said that everyone would die as one, but would not let the enemy pass and calmly went to drink tea, although I don't know what they are there now drink, maybe diet cola. The main thing is to breed suckers and master the money. On the other side of the border, other Zoldates also made terrible faces and masses of the Russians, who drove them to the exercises. Ours looked sadly at these Rakhmon warriors and understood that, if something happened, the guests would have to organize the goat's face themselves. And then China, China. China declares that it is powerful as never before and literally now, well, in six months at the most, it will show everyone ...
  7. +2
    16 September 2021 11: 24
    again without the author and without specifying the edition where Refoya supposedly reviewed the situation in Afghanistan.
    stability of anonymus is a sign of skill.
    "military journalists" always write the truth and do not need references to sources.

    in combination with the criticism of the Ministry of Defense of the refusal to build 10 AB, this is the direction of the site.
  8. 0
    16 September 2021 22: 27
    Many observers still argue that the Taliban have broken off with Panjshir.