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Ukraine has found an "effective way" to combat Russian ships in the Black Sea

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The Ukrainian Naval Forces cannot on equal terms withstand the Russian the fleet, "occupying" (as it is interpreted in Kiev) the Black Sea, but there is an effective way to "destroy" Russian ships. Oksana Vrublevskaya, director of the Ukrainian research and production corporation "Cleaver", spoke about this.


Speaking at a roundtable organized by the Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Vrublevskaya proposed using mines against Russian warships in the Black Sea. According to her, the Ukrainian fleet is significantly inferior in its combat potential to the Russian one, but all this can be neutralized by the use of mine weapons.

The general director of the Ukrainian corporation believes that mines are the most effective means to combat the Russian Navy, since at a relatively low cost they can disable very expensive ships.

The cost of the mine is $ 30, and the cost of repairing the cruiser is $ 24 million. Therefore, we consider mine weapons to be the most effective

- she said.

Apparently, Ukraine has only two ways to "expel" the Russian fleet from the Black Sea. The first was proposed by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, and it consists in expanding the NATO mission in the Black Sea. According to the Ukrainian leader, the ships of the Western countries will oppose the Russian ones. Now a second method has appeared, which is said to be more efficient and cheaper.

As you can see, representatives of the Ukrainian elites continue to practice inappropriate rhetoric, which has bothered not only the citizens of Ukraine, but also its foreign partners.
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  1. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 15 September 2021 15: 38
    +27
    Again! Another report from the ukrodurdom.
    And then the chief doctor Morgulis
    TV banned
    (V.S. Vysotsky
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 15 September 2021 15: 50
      +15
      Oksana Vrublevskaya, director of the Ukrainian research and production corporation "Cleaver"
      If she has a husband, then I do not envy him, a woman with such cockroaches and shells in her head is still that fruit ............
    2. knn54
      knn54 15 September 2021 15: 58
      +32
      Oksana, minnet, sorry, no mines.
      1. Silver bullet
        Silver bullet 15 September 2021 16: 09
        +3
        Oksana Vrublevskaya, director of the Ukrainian research and production corporation "Cleaver", spoke about this.
        The letter "K" in the name of the corporation is clearly superfluous.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 15 September 2021 16: 55
          +2
          Quote: Silver bullet
          Oksana Vrublevskaya, director of the Ukrainian research and production corporation "Cleaver", spoke about this.

          Research and Production Association "KLIVER" was founded in 2007 on the basis of the instrument-making plant "Krasny Luch". NPO Cleaver rworks at the intersection of science and industry.
          - Ukraine, Lugansk region, Krasny Luch, pl. Trofimova, 1
          NPO "KLIVER" -
          Company performs tasks for the development and production of products for enterprises fuel and energy, mining and processing, metallurgical complex and railways, produces spare parts for enterprises that operate in various fields of activity.
          The main activity is metalworking to order, which includes such basic positions as: production of tooling, sheet processing and machining.

          actively develops new directions on the basis of our machine park, which allows us to increase the range of manufactured products.

          Probably, there are no orders for the main production areas - so I got into "science", looking for "new directions".
          NPO "KLIVER" does not have defense departments in its customers, so Oksanka blabbed out any versions of it, so that at least someone would pay attention to the NGO - suddenly someone would give something wassat
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 September 2021 17: 45
            0
            Quote: Serg Koma
            Probably, there are no orders for the main production areas - so I got into "science", looking for "new directions".

            making tanks out of garbage cans in dill didn't work out, you have to try mines
        2. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 16 September 2021 09: 27
          0
          Ukraine can only postpone mines. That is, impose) like a dog
      2. poquello
        poquello 15 September 2021 17: 42
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        Oksana, minnet, sorry, no mines.

        corporation "Cliter"
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 September 2021 17: 44
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        Oksana, minnet, sorry, no mines.


        Smiled ... laughing
        Only, it seems to me that the editor simply misread the name of the "office" that this mumzel heads: he overshadowed the letter "T" with the letter "B". (NPO "KLIVER")
        AHA.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 15 September 2021 21: 21
          +2
          You can grind for a long time, but that our minesweepers, both in quantity and quality, are completely inadequate is, alas, a fact. The only weak consolation is that the 404 country has only old Soviet mines. But this is for now.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 15 September 2021 21: 43
            +2
            Quote: Kuroneko
            our minesweepers, both in quantity and quality, are completely inadequate - this, alas, is a fact.

            Well, why not. Project 12700 is quite an adequate fighter. And the search system with the use of the IU is itself all non-magnetic from the composite piled. And have already ordered 10 units. But the series will continue. And then. Placing an MZM in peacetime is an act of aggression, equating to a DECLARATION OF WAR.
            Therefore, not everything is as bad as you think. The fleet is slowly being built
            The minesweeper is equipped with modern complexes for search and detection of mines, which are controlled by the ACS "Diez". In addition, the minesweeper has a mine detection GAS "Livandia-M". The control system "Sharp" in real time receives, processes and displays on electronic maps the operational information that comes from the navigation systems, which greatly facilitates the work of the navigator. The minesweeper can also use a variety of surface and underwater autonomous mine action vehicles, such as the Inspector Mk.2 boats and the Seascan Mk2 autonomous underwater vehicles. These are from France. But there are ours.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 15 September 2021 21: 56
              -3
              He can only do something against the old, classic mines.
              And about the fatal shortcomings of Alexandrite on VO, too, was written more than once. As well as about the new western mines. Once again I am glad that YET Nenki does not have them.
          2. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 16 September 2021 01: 59
            0
            Quote: Kuroneko
            The only weak consolation is that the 404 country has only old Soviet mines. But this is for now.

            And let them try to deliver. It seems that in recent years, NATO ships have become frequent near the Russian coast ... Well, how will the "2 loneliness" meet?
      4. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 15 September 2021 19: 47
        +1
        so she doesn’t understand the language of the “occupiers” ... and the fact that in the word blowjob with the second letter <n> there is a completely different meaning well, it doesn’t stick ... almost ..
      5. Mister X
        Mister X 16 September 2021 07: 51
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        Oksana, minnet, sorry, no mines.

        hi
        Cleaver Corporation doesn't smell like minami.
        By the way, they also produce heating boilers.
    3. Maz
      Maz 15 September 2021 17: 44
      +2
      Shaw inflatable mines will be placed? Bo they have already stolen the money for the nastoyshische, which means they will ask the Europians with an outstretched hand, nodding piteously at the invented Russian threat.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 15 September 2021 18: 40
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        Shaw inflatable mines will be placed? Bo they have already stolen the money for the nastoyshische, which means they will ask the Europians with an outstretched hand, nodding piteously at the invented Russian threat.

        They should have a lot of ancient Soviet mines. Somewhere under Ishmael, or Ochakov there should be naval mine arsenals. It's another matter whether these mines are alive or not. Probably not . Although ... At the end of the seventies, the regulations were made to sea anchor mines from the tsarist time ...
  2. wow
    wow 15 September 2021 15: 39
    +4
    Ward No. 6 continues to issue "to the mountain" ....
  3. Pavel episkop
    Pavel episkop 15 September 2021 15: 40
    +4
    Surprised or rather made fun
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 September 2021 15: 45
      0
      Quote: Paul episkop
      Surprised or rather made fun

      And what? Imagine a horned mine, and on it the witch Vrublevskaya lies on her belly and rakes water with her palms. I put a stupa on firewood, a broom - "green energy" .. Can it get warm on a mine? When is the Russian Navy scheduled to fire there? )))
    2. fruc
      fruc 15 September 2021 16: 27
      +2
      As you can see, representatives of the Ukrainian elites continue to practice inappropriate rhetoric, which has bothered not only the citizens of Ukraine, but also its foreign partners.

      Empty chatter and shaking of air from the Ukrainian de..bilov.
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 September 2021 17: 51
        0
        Quote: frruc
        Empty chatter and shaking of air from the Ukrainian de..bilov.

        mining is one of the main types of combat at sea in WWII, well,
        In 1984, the US CIA unleashed a terrorist war against Nicaragua, and, in addition to the Contra's actions on the ground, the Americans mined harbors and coastal waters, which led to the explosion of many civilian ships and would have inflicted enormous damage on the Nicaraguan economy had it not been for Soviet assistance.

        https://topwar.ru/153551-smert-iz-niotkuda-o-minnoj-vojne-na-more-chast-1.html
        1. fruc
          fruc 15 September 2021 20: 27
          +1
          Mineralization of harbors and coastal waters will have disastrous consequences for Ukraine.
          1. Olkhovsky
            Olkhovsky 15 September 2021 21: 03
            -8
            Mineralization of harbors and coastal waters will have disastrous consequences for Ukraine.

            Yes, yes ... another note of protest from the Russian Foreign Ministry ..
          2. poquello
            poquello 15 September 2021 23: 59
            0
            Quote: frruc
            Mineralization of harbors and coastal waters will have disastrous consequences for Ukraine.

            dill will turn around, but somehow I would not like when the Americans will mow under the dill they passed by, tea is not Nicaragua at 84m
  4. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 15 September 2021 15: 43
    +1
    Only maddened maidan skakuasses can believe that there will be no harsh response to the incident with the victims, which could push this anti-Russian regime to hell in Ukraine.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 15 September 2021 15: 55
      +1
      But what is there, in Ukraine, everything is much simpler, as part of the NPO Kliver there is the Central Design Bureau for Hydroacoustics, the main direction of development and scientific research is:
      1. Creation of integrated systems for the protection of underwater lines;
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 15 September 2021 16: 01
        -1
        Sorry, I did not understand your answer to my comment. recourse
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 15 September 2021 16: 10
          +2
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Sorry, I did not understand your answer to my comment.

          They make money, they sneeze for the rest, for example - Yatsenyuk's wall
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 15 September 2021 16: 14
            0
            They want a real war with Russia ??? So this is suicide ??? What about the instinct of self-preservation ???
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 15 September 2021 16: 19
              +1
              Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
              They want a real war with Russia ???

              It was not in vain that I wrote about the wall - it does not work, but the money has been spent, and so it will be here.
              Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
              What about the instinct of self-preservation ???

              Quote: Thomas Joseph Dunning
              Provide 10 percent of the profit, and capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes animated, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime that it would not risk , if only on pain of the gallows.
            2. fruc
              fruc 15 September 2021 16: 34
              -1
              They have only one instinct left - an animal (from the word stomach)
            3. ALEXANDER GAZEEV
              ALEXANDER GAZEEV 15 September 2021 17: 00
              +1
              What self-preservation if there are no brains. [Quote] [/ quote]
  5. Dym71
    Dym71 15 September 2021 15: 46
    +8
    Photo for the article interesting, tell the uninformed, what makes an American miner dive in a helmet, insurance?
    1. prior
      prior 15 September 2021 15: 49
      +1
      It's still his bulletproof vest in the water is not visible. laughing
      Under water, without a helmet and body armor, nowhere, jellyfish bite. wassat
      1. Cat Alexandrovich
        Cat Alexandrovich 15 September 2021 16: 06
        +1
        And the armor plates ...
        1. prior
          prior 15 September 2021 16: 08
          -1
          And armored plates, and armored belts, and armored belts, how can we do without them ... smile
          1. Cat
            Cat 15 September 2021 16: 56
            0
            Mine is safe. You see, there is such a yellow, uh ... pre ... fuse pulled over the fuse wassat
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 25
            0
            Quote: prior
            And armored plates, and armored belts, and armored belts, how can we do without them ...

            It's only in the movies.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: Dym71
      Photo for the article interesting, tell the uninformed, what makes an American miner dive in a helmet, insurance?

      What is written in the instruction, then he must wear, or else a fine. I went outside the territory of the checkpoint, the helmet strap is not on the chin - a fine, gloves are not worn - a fine. There are many insanities, but I have not seen a diver in a helmet.
  6. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 15 September 2021 15: 50
    +1
    Vrublevskaya proposed using mines against Russian warships in the Black Sea.

    The illustration is truly beautiful:
    judging by the product on the horn of the Vrublevskaya mine, it is not at all Russian warships that bother them. good
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 September 2021 15: 52
    0
    It's clear. that Ukraine is our FSE. But today the hero of Russia, General Kazantsev, died.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 15 September 2021 17: 18
      +2
      It was YESTERDAY at 07.00, in a military hospital in Krasnodar.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 15 September 2021 17: 32
        -2
        Yesterday, too, did not write. Meanwhile, this is the Military Review of Russia. But for some reason they overlook Ukraine.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 September 2021 15: 53
    +3
    Are they going to litter the Black Sea with free-roaming mines? Isn't it terrorism in its purest form? There are no other options for using sea mines. There are no minelayers in Ukroflot. Will they put on boats and rubber boats?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 17: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Are they going to litter the Black Sea with free-roaming mines? Isn't it terrorism in its purest form?

      So this is a natural call for undisguised terrorism. If you read science fiction writers Mark Twain, Herbert Wales, it’s pleasant to read, but if you read the Sumerian science fiction writers Kuleba, Danilov, Vrublevskaya, you immediately understand that the education and level of development of these people are at the level of the Parish School of the Farm Spill.
    2. alch3mist
      alch3mist 16 September 2021 18: 25
      0
      Are they going to litter the Black Sea with free-roaming mines? Isn't it terrorism in its purest form? There are no other options for using sea mines. There are no minelayers in Ukroflot. Will they put on boats and rubber boats?

      Interestingly, this will give us the moral right to throw mines on the runway of Borispol?
  9. JD1979
    JD1979 15 September 2021 15: 59
    +3
    It's easier to close your eyes and turn away, it doesn't cost anything at all, but an accidentally blown up striped ally or a civilian ship will instantly provide a bunch of thrills.
  10. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 15 September 2021 16: 01
    +6
    The cost of the mine is $ 30, and the cost of repairing the cruiser is $ 24 million. Therefore, we consider mine weapons to be the most effective

    ***
    And throw a rake along the shore -
    - generally a budget option against the landing ...
    ***
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 24
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      The cost of the mine is 30 thousand dollars, and the cost of repair

      The rich have their own habits, but not mine.
  11. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 15 September 2021 16: 07
    +3
    How toxic the regime turned out to be! He himself does not live and does not give to others! And in history, analogies suggest that who is not friends with neighbors will not last long!
  12. Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 15 September 2021 16: 34
    +6
    Speaking at the round table

    In general, it was not about mines.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 16: 50
      +2
      Quote: Wadded Colorado
      Speaking at the round table

      Decent place for Madame Vrublevskaya.
      1. Mikhalych 70
        Mikhalych 70 15 September 2021 17: 46
        0
        Have you seen her? MB it is thick and terrible?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 23
      0
      Quote: Wadded Colorado
      Speaking at the round table

      Oh, how I love these women, the mind is incomprehensible !!!!
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 September 2021 16: 47
    0
    Again mines, well, apparently the beaches have been cleared of old ones already.
  14. Cat
    Cat 15 September 2021 16: 47
    0
    Congenial! Cover the whole sea with mines near Odessa and Nikolaev. But how will your favorite allies come to visit?
  15. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 September 2021 16: 48
    0
    Vrublevskaya proposed to use mines against Russian warships in the Black Sea

    I don’t want to offend women, but a guy from Brownau said about such people - "I love to see women, but at such a distance that I cannot hear them."
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 September 2021 16: 54
    +1
    When a woman is on a ship - to trouble! And when in the director's chair of the office talks about sea mines? To a madhouse?
    They would rather have thrown mines around Odessa and Mariupol. We will wait for their first ships to start undermining.

    True Big Question: Where will they take sea mines (even of the 1915 model). The naval arsenal of mines at the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea remained.
  17. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 15 September 2021 17: 11
    +1
    "Occupied" (as it is interpreted in Kiev) the Black Sea "- has the Russian Federation already occupied the sea? Doesn't allow anything to sail on it towards Ukraine? and space over Ukraine and the Black Sea, in her opinion, we have not occupied yet? managers - a special selection is similar ..
  18. HAM
    HAM 15 September 2021 17: 12
    +1
    It seems that there is a competition going on in Ukraine - someone comes up with something stupider and speaks louder, the smarter it will seem to others ...
    With such directors, Ukraine is invincible ... bully
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 15 September 2021 17: 38
      0
      Quote: HAM
      It seems that there is a competition going on in Ukraine - someone comes up with something stupider and speaks louder, the smarter it seems to others ...
      With such directors, Ukraine is invincible ... bully


      It is believed that the Britons want to rip apart the EU in order to include some of the countries in their currency zone. To do this, you need to deal with Germany, for example, by destroying it, creating several crises, economic and political. Some of the problems the Britons can create themselves with migrants, terrorists, etc. They will be able to connect Poland and the Baltic states, but this is not enough. Johnson tried and is trying to meet with Putin to reach an agreement, perhaps Russia needs assistance or Germany's lack of support, but ...

      Due to the fact that the brits have shit many times with squeaks, with Navalny, in Syria and much more, they fail not only to agree, but even to agree on a meeting.

      The Brita are hysterical, manifested with the incident with their ship Defender.

      In Ukraine, the United States has now stepped aside, the Brits have taken over control. Now from Ukraine poured insanity and threats.

      It's just that the British are trying to put pressure on Russia, in this case through Ukraine.

      Perhaps Turkey will join in the Caucasus if the Britons have leverage over Erdogan.

      Ukraine is currently a British strip, they are working on what they are ordered from London.
  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 15 September 2021 17: 29
    +3
    and what with a mine ?!

    Did they beat you with a sledgehammer?
    and why did they pull the prezik on her ?!
    1. parathyron
      parathyron 15 September 2021 20: 07
      0
      With a sledgehammer, they checked the combat readiness of the Soviet mine, but apparently the deadline had already expired, they had to be repaired by the forces of the "Gindon" corporation winked .
    2. B-777
      B-777 15 September 2021 20: 09
      +1
      They beat their heads against a mine on the waves, and that mine was all crumpled from a helmet. And in a helmet - a nice thing :-)
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 16 September 2021 08: 40
        0
        there it looks like strategic product number 1 made of rubber on the "horn" of a mine is stretched (yellow). mine is leaking or what? lol
        and indeed, a crumpled mine. dropped it or what ?? lol
        or are they condoms so teasing?
        from the shame of the Spanish then im ....
    3. alch3mist
      alch3mist 16 September 2021 18: 32
      0
      and what with a mine ?!

      This is not a mine, but an advertising campaign by Gugel - the head of their "android" above the water.
      Did you notice the "neloha" bit?
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 15 September 2021 17: 34
    0
    Mines stuffed with bacon and vodka, what kind of damage to the ecology of the Black Sea will happen? wassat
    And the ships of NATy will not stumble upon them or "tse vumni miny"? wassat
  21. Siegfried
    Siegfried 15 September 2021 17: 47
    +1
    Ukrainian sailors, to whom Mrs. Vrublevskaya proposes to "commemorate a little in the Black Sea", will advise her to personally sail alone in a rowboat, at night, to the shores of the Crimea and throw one mine overboard for a "military campaign".
  22. ximkim
    ximkim 15 September 2021 20: 04
    0
    Yeah ..
    And they will make a decision ..
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: ximkim
      And they will make a decision ..

      And who needs it, and maybe the whale believes in it ???
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  24. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 19
    0
    Quote: Mikhalych 70
    Have you seen her? MB it is thick and terrible?

    No, it looks nothing, pleasant.
  25. ximkim
    ximkim 16 September 2021 05: 08
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: ximkim
    And they will make a decision ..

    And who needs it, and maybe the whale believes in it ???

    hi
    Well, they up there believe in it))
  26. Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 16 September 2021 08: 46
    +2
    The dents on the mine are suspiciously similar in diameter to the helmet of a combat diver ...
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 16 September 2021 08: 54
      +1
      so maybe they are theirs a saucepan pushing their heads into the water - it is more convenient for them that way. headlong - bam, and pushed lol

      Moreover, it seems that it is not always possible to push it off the first time - there are two dents on this mine ...
  27. Most kind
    Most kind 16 September 2021 09: 42
    -1
    It’s interesting, and if you hit them with a rocket, the whole ministry and the president, what will happen.
  28. Maikcg
    Maikcg 16 September 2021 12: 14
    0
    Vrublevskaya suggested using whores infected with gonorrhea against Russian warships on the Black Sea. The general director of the Ukrainian corporation believes that whores are the most effective means to fight the Russian Navy, since at a relatively low cost they can disable very expensive ships left without sailors.
  29. shinobi
    shinobi 16 September 2021 12: 29
    0
    Who will allow them to put them in neutral waters? This will be regarded as an act of direct aggression, this is in addition to a direct violation of God knows how many international treaties on shipping. Or do they think they will be allowed to mine the waters of Russia? This is utter nonsense.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 16 September 2021 12: 34
      0
      Yes, they have burned their stupidity more than once, why and whom should they be ashamed of now?

      let them try. the dog barks - the wind carries.
  30. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 16 September 2021 15: 22
    +1
    Surprisingly, we didn't even know!
    When they invent the wheel, they are not far from the bicycle.
  31. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 17 September 2021 17: 54
    0
    and they themselves will be undermined, as in the Donbass! laughing
  32. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 19 September 2021 09: 03
    0
    here are not so stupid bender-fascists, because there are practically no minesweepers in the Navy! and no one is going to rectify the situation, they are throwing in (sawing) billions of money for senseless repairs to Kuzi, with the expansion of the dock for him, the cruiser Moscow has been prepared especially for the bender-fascists, he has no tasks at the Black Sea Fleet except to sink on a mine, and on the Northern Fleet it would be useful, but he's not there