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Betting on the "popular ruble": pro & contra

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"Yes" and "no" do not say



The authors deliberately applied to the ruble not "pros and cons", but, as it is fashionable now, pro & contra. Not only because it has already been written about Tolstoy, Lenin or Denikin, but also because of the almost complete dependence of the Russian ruble on external factors.

The ruble is not just a raw material, but in fact is a surrogate currency, and this fact, alas, has been proven many times over. The only reason for such money to exist is to keep domestic markets under control so that they do not become a burden for those who rule the world market.

However, quite recently we even wrote (If you don't have a budget) that the government seems to have found a way to free their hands a little in the management of reserves. So far unsuccessful, but with the new composition of the State Duma, perhaps, it will work.

Then, perhaps, it will be possible to oppose the growing ruble inflation by throwing in free reserve currency. After all, inflation will no longer be in rubles, but in currency, but with such resources and reserves, it will be easier to cope with it than with the ruble. Internal turnovers in rubles and in currencies are still incomparable, and the whole point is only in the presence of political will.

For all the difficulties for the ruble in Russia, the leading business media, still focused on world business or simply controlled by it, could not fail to note the fact that the Russian ruble was among the 20 most popular works.

And this - almost immediately after the domestic regulator - the Central Bank - raised the key, but, in fact, as before, the discount rate to 6,75 percent per annum. This is not the first rate hike, formally aimed at combating inflation, but in reality it only spurs it on.

We will not tire of repeating - "because of the high cost of money, nothing really will get cheaper in return!" This is what we are seeing in reality today.

"For" and "against" do not vote


The rise in prices, and hence inflation, is now hampered only by the pre-election factor, that is, by the unprecedented efforts of the authorities to contain them. Alas, from the end of September we can expect a price collapse, against which even the seasonal factor with cheap watermelons and melons will be powerless. And let the readers not then say that they were not warned.

However, let's get back to our agenda - the popular ruble.

So, from the point of view of popularity and demand, it is simply catastrophically inferior to the dollar, which accounts for 39,38 percent of world money turnover. And not only - ahead of us and the euro with 38,43 percent, and the British pound, which is 5,9 percent. The ruble has only 0,18 percent of the world currency turnover.

But you never know who we are still inferior to, starting with the Japanese yen and the Chinese yuan and ending with some kind of Arabic colored paper? After all, entering the top twenty for the ruble is not new - this was already the case in 2016, when, despite the Crimea and sanctions, the ruble mastered an even larger share in world turnover than it is now - 0,26 percent.


But then on the agenda was the expansion of integration, as well as currency exchange with China after the notorious "pivot to the East." Now everything is much more stable, and experts call the ruble's exit from the shadows a success. Their right, we will remind you of something completely different.

Actually, to rejoice at the 20th place in the popularity rating, you must agree, is humiliating.

After all, the country is torn into the top five leading economies in the world, in terms of foreign policy ambitions, we are at least third on the planet, and in moral terms, we even claim to be world leadership.

Contra: a store of value


Let us also remind that Russia knocks on the G-7 very regularly, and this somehow does not add too much self-esteem to us. For some reason, one does not feel particularly happy about the “popular ruble” either. The pitiful 0,18 percent of the world's foreign exchange turnover is frankly unimpressive.

Many have not forgotten how, in response to the initiative of our current space leader to trade oil and gas for rubles, Russia was quickly brought to a common dollar denominator. But there was no urgent need even then, the ruble is the same as the dollar for domestic consumption?

It will be necessary - they will draw so much that it will not seem a little. Isn't that why the ruble, over the years, even decades, taught us that it is impossible to believe in it?

He is a means for calculations and nothing more, and there is simply no other. In the 90s, they tried to pay in currency, but somehow it didn't work out very well.

Betting on the "popular ruble": pro & contra

The experience of countries that, even in the European Union, do not switch to the euro, convinces that it still gives some advantages, protecting the domestic market from excessive commodity and monetary expansion. However, Polish and Hungarian migrants, with their zlotys and forints, are flooding Europe with its euro.

An experience of a different kind, when, for example, tiny Montenegro actually abandoned the Serbian dinar, completely switching to payments in euros, convinced them otherwise - without tourism, you can even go bankrupt. Now a similar experiment, already with bitcoin, is being carried out by El Salvador, and then it will be exactly the Americans who will save it, for whom, apparently, there are not enough semi-colonies in the neighborhood.

As a store of value, the ruble has disappointed us almost regularly, from the early 90s and default to three devaluations already under Putin. However - take a look at the rate charts, in the periods between the dips, the ruble almost invariably grew in a strange way. As if luring naive recipients of ruble salaries into their networks.

… & Pro: a tool for speculation


Once again we have to admit that the ruble is attractive because it is unstable and profitable locally. With rates like ours, all ruble instruments turn out to be better than others. And there is even no need to get out of them, for fear of another devaluation.

The fact is that many ruble-denominated instruments, as if specially for a foreign investor, are insured with the possibility of making them multicurrency. Such a luxury was offered, and even now banks are sometimes offered to ordinary citizens, but at such meager rates that it’s a shame to call it.


Speculative investments by foreign or (disguised as them) our offshore investors go as if in a package with foreign exchange and commodity imports. Although foreign exchange imports, including receipts from oil and gas revenues, for decades have been many times larger than commodity imports.

Just do not think that, speaking about this, we are advocating the withdrawal of capital from the country. The situation is exactly the opposite - the authors are categorically not satisfied with the fact that we either drive the received billions into reserves, again, resting on the accounts of competitors, or primitively eat them up.

People, on the other hand, get crumbs, as well as those industries that, given the availability of foreign exchange, could provide Russia with a real technological breakthrough and the notorious restructuring of the economy. With the departure from the equally notorious oil and gas dependence.

It has already been said about political will, here we will allow ourselves to decipher something - we lack healthy protectionism as much as it is generally permissible and possible.


In our country, it is not that they do not subsidize practically anyone and no matter what; in our country, they do not protect anyone and from anything. Unless, of course, you are out of the cage. You yourself understand what ...

Instead of PS
Livelihood


The ruble is not our everything, but almost everything. There is simply no other. Yes, by and large it is not necessary. It is still in demand not only in Russia, but also in many other places, starting with the independent one, and not only near the border, and ending with Syria and ... Afghanistan.

Tested in practice, although not personally by the authors.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2021 18: 16
    +23
    The ruble is not just a raw material, but in fact is a surrogate currency, and this, alas, has been proven many times over.
    ... It has been proven many times that many, many so-called. economists and experts are certainly from the category of the oldest, corrupt ... about the clerks, it is not even necessary to specify, and so it is clear. What they ordered, what they paid for, then they scribble!
    And so, money, the national unit of account without which there is NO sovereignty! Without nationally oriented, i.e. PUBLICS, in leading, controlling, providing, etc. structures, sovereignty, too, WILL NOT!
    All one to one !!!
    We have something, but even more needs to be returned !!! and then .... then we'll see how it will be.
    The country is big, the country is rich in all respects ... rich in all sorts of distortions too !!!
    We must level everything! We must return the country to US, the PEOPLE!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 17 September 2021 18: 33
      +15
      What a great article, full of optimism and faith in a brighter future.
      Now I just want it to be printed on paper rubles, because they say that she is the queen of Russian money.
      He wants to bring down, wants to raise, wants to ring one the day before, wants to others.
      Many people remember her with a kind word.
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 17 September 2021 18: 52
        +19
        “I don’t understand these Russians,” the head of the Central Bank lamented. - When they are offered two yoghurts for the price of two, they are just happy, and when we offer them two rubles for the price of one, everyone is just unhappy.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 05
        -6
        Now I just want it to be printed on paper rubles

        Paper money is an anachronism. Blockchain is the future.
        Many people remember her with a kind word.

        Especially the bankers, to whom it does not freely speculate in currency since the 15th year. And she told me ... But this old story ...
        Sincerely
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 17 September 2021 23: 59
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        What a great article, full of optimism and faith in a brighter future.

        A photo with a domestic manufacturer is illustrative ... relevant and erotic ..
        What a bright future when chopping wood ..
        1. Civil
          Civil 18 September 2021 11: 10
          +2
          Then, perhaps, it will be possible to oppose the growing ruble inflation by throwing in free reserve currency. After all, inflation will no longer be in rubles, but in currency, but with such resources and reserves, it will be easier to cope with it than with the ruble.

          And who are the Russians to decide for the master how he will dispose of HIS gold and foreign exchange reserves ?! Go work.
          But then on the agenda was the expansion of integration, as well as currency exchange with China after the notorious "pivot to the East."

          Chinese companies consistently comply with all US sanctions against Russia.
          And why should the growing communist hegemon help the terminally ill capitalist country of the 3rd world? On the contrary, they are waiting for the fastest collapse for the development of territories that have not yet been transferred to a concession.
          Why are you attached to the ruble? How is it fundamentally different from other native currencies.
      4. V means B
        V means B 18 September 2021 10: 18
        0
        Just before she can print her portrait in rubles, she needs to change her hairstyle and let go of her mustache and beard.)
      5. Stas157
        Stas157 18 September 2021 14: 07
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        What wonderful article

        hi The article is great! Correct.

        We will not tire of repeating - "because of the high cost of money, nothing really will get cheaper in return! " This is what we are seeing in reality today.

        Absolutely agree. But the common truth does not reach our Central Bank.

        we either drive the received billions into reserves, again, resting on the accounts of competitors, or primitively eat them up.

        People, on the other hand, get crumbs, as well as those industries that, given the availability of foreign exchange, could provide Russia with a real technological breakthrough and the notorious restructuring of the economy. With the departure from the equally notorious oil and gas dependence.

        For three long decades, money has come not to us, but from us. The money is flowing away and make our economy depressed. The amount of money withdrawn abroad greatly exceeds foreign investment. This strengthens the West and at the same time weakens us. When the authorities talk about patriotism, this very moment must be remembered.

        Pathetic 0,18 percent of world foreign exchange frankly not impressive.

        This is a verdict for our kudrinomics.
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha 17 September 2021 18: 35
      +13
      The authors, of course, poured completely unsubstantiated arguments and openly outstretched
      Let us recall at the same time that Russia knocks on the G-7 very regularly, and this somehow also does not add too much self-esteem to us.

      Remind me when was it regularly? The last time, at least?
      A measly 0,18 percent of the world's foreign exchange turnover is frankly unimpressive

      You know how to do mathematics? What percentage is the population of the Russian Federation of the world?
      Why is it bad to pay in your country with your own currency?
      We have been under pressure and sanctions for 7 years already, you have not noticed and are comparing with countries that dictate the rules of the game in the world market. You're just geniuses !!
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 September 2021 19: 04
        +8
        Quote: Mitroha
        What percentage is the population of the Russian Federation of the world?

        1,85%.
        That is, the share of Russia in the world currency turnover is 10 times less than the share of the population of the Russian Federation from the world ...
        And this is taking into account that a couple of billion people from not the most developed, to put it mildly, countries are not very actively involved in this "turnover" ...
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 17 September 2021 19: 08
          +2
          Quote: Doccor18
          1,85%.
          That is, the share of Russia in the world currency turnover is 10 times less than the share of the population of the Russian Federation from the world ...
          And this is taking into account that a couple of billion people from not the most developed, to put it mildly, countries are not very actively involved in this "turnover" ...

          You will also take into account the second part of my comment. hi
          They will freeze their ears, but will not let us into significant currencies
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 17 September 2021 19: 26
            +6
            Quote: Mitroha
            They will freeze their ears,

            And not only to myself ...
            Quote: Mitroha
            but they won't let us into significant currencies

            Of course they won't. The Chinese yuan, too, once did not shine, but now it is one of the reserve ones, moreover, with a very promising future. I am not trying at all to compare the economies of Russia and the PRC, because this is incomparable, I just gave an example that it is not the monetary unit that is the driver of the national economy, but vice versa ... hi
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 33
          +5
          That is, the share of Russia in the world currency turnover is 10 times less than the share of the population of the Russian Federation of the world

          You have compared soft to warm. We are talking about the use of currencies for mutual settlements.
          Sincerely
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 17 September 2021 19: 57
            +4
            Quote: nobody75
            We are talking about the use of currencies for mutual settlements.

            I know.
            The pitiful 0,18 percent of the world's foreign exchange turnover is frankly unimpressive ...
            You know how to do mathematics? What percentage is the population of the Russian Federation of the world?

            The comment was on this.
            Of course, the population of the state and its foreign exchange turnover are not correlated ...
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 01
              +2
              and its currency turnover

              Excuse me, what is "currency turnover"?
              You mean the speed of circulation?
              Sincerely
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 18 September 2021 09: 37
                +1
                Annual foreign trade turnover of the state in foreign currency.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 18 September 2021 11: 51
                  +1
                  Sorry, I don’t understand again ... What turnover of the balance of payments do you mean - credit or debit?
                  Sincerely
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 18 September 2021 19: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: nobody75
                    Sorry, I don’t understand again ..

                    Yes, you understood everything perfectly ... And with your, apparently, economic education, you want to show that everyone else is not very good at this. So? I am not an economist, but I only state my thoughts.
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 18 September 2021 20: 18
                      0
                      Why do you see bad things in people! I just asked...
                      Sincerely
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 15
        0
        Why is it bad to pay in your country with your own currency?

        The fact that we do not have autarky. Accordingly, normal bank clearing does not work (look at the commission that Visa and Master take from each payment). Everything is on the blockchain!
        Sincerely
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 18 September 2021 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Mitroha
        We have been under pressure and sanctions for 7 years, you didn't notice

        So what? The USSR was also under sanctions. However, this did not prevent him from being an economic giant. You leave your excuses for the guardian sect. Others are not impressed at all.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 18 September 2021 13: 41
          0
          Are you trying to compare everything with a plant with a finger? It is pointless, they are different. Just like the USSR and the Russian Federation, the system in the USSR and the Russian Federation, as well as the population and motivation. And with the sects, you yourself figure it out, I see you, pro. I do not understand the varieties of your division of people
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 18 September 2021 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: Mitroha
            I'm in the varieties of your division of people I don't understand

            But hurray-patriotic training manual has been studied by teeth!

            Quote: Mitroha
            And you plant with finger

            And you are without a finger!))
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 18 September 2021 20: 22
          0
          So what? The USSR was also under sanctions. However, this did not prevent him from being an economic giant.

          And how much effort did it cost him to get through the back door of the City of London into the dollar system? Remember such financial organizations as "Narodny Bank" and "Vneshtorgbank"?
          Sincerely
    3. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 35
      +2
      And so, money, the national unit of account without which there is NO sovereignty! Without nationally oriented, i.e. PUBLICS, in leading, controlling, providing, etc. structures, sovereignty, too, WILL NOT!

      You can nationalize the Bank of Russia even tomorrow! What will you achieve by this? That other central banks won't have anything to do with him? How, then, can currency swaps be carried out?
      Sincerely
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 September 2021 06: 05
        +2
        Do you want to rank me among those who want to "take away and divide"? With what fright? I have not written about this and will not ... this is a dangerous path and can lead to .... not there.
        I am against those who, guided by some "higher", world and other interests, harm OUR STATE, OUR PEOPLE! If the leaders act differently, they are not ours, they are .... not ours and they have no place here.
        I personally, there is a Soviet man, I believe that we will return to Socialism ... but everything has its time.
        What is now ... not, not mine, BUT, even what is, should not destroy our state, make it weak, an easy prey for the "sharks of capitalism" around us ...
        Best regards soldier
    4. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 18 September 2021 02: 02
      +6
      The ruble will never be stable as long as the current policy continues. And it is as simple as a watermelon - due to the constant devaluation of the ruble, the state easily fulfills the budget and does good to exporters. Well, the fact that the population is becoming impoverished - the Kremlin does not care about that. Don't believe me? Well, enjoy an economics lesson from Yourself.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 18 September 2021 09: 57
        -4
        The ruble will never be stable as long as the current policy continues. And it is as simple as a watermelon - due to the constant devaluation of the ruble, the state easily fulfills the budget and does good to exporters.

        Where do you see "permanent devaluation"?

        Personally, I see only high volatility - fluctuations in the rate near the average with a large swing.
        Sincerely
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 18 September 2021 11: 49
          +3
          Quote: nobody75
          Personally I see only high volatility

          I look into the book - see fig. You would have resulted in a minute chart! Who do you want to fool naively? Provide the correct timeframe. See the same graph from 2000 onwards. That is, from the beginning of the reign of the king.



          Share your impression, and what do you see now? Are you seeing devaluation?
          Best regards
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 18 September 2021 11: 56
            -3
            You are trying to hide your own incompetence behind insults and loud phrases. Draw a trend line on your chart ... What didn't work out? Why did you take 2000 as a base?
            Look at the right side of your chart - which trend is emerging?
            Sincerely
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 18 September 2021 12: 04
              +4
              Quote: nobody75
              Spend on your schedule trend line...

              What for? The fact that the chart is going up, the dollar price is growing, and the ruble is constantly falling - you can see it without it.

              Quote: nobody75
              You took 2000 as a base?

              And what did you have to take yesterday, how did you do it?

              Quote: nobody75
              Look at the right side of your chart - which trend is emerging?

              Do you know what a trend is? It is not there from the word at all, if you are talking about a bearish trend.
              Best regards
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 18 September 2021 12: 13
                -3
                Do you know what a trend is? It is not there from the word at all, if you are talking about a bearish trend.

                If there is no trend, then there are no fundamental factors, and the trend is also bullish, but not the point ... Okay, can you smooth your rate chart since 2000 so that you can remove seasonal and random fluctuations in the rate?
                Sincerely
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 18 September 2021 12: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: nobody75
                  If there is no trend - so there are no fundamental factors

                  Tie up demagoguery. And the trend is there. And not even one. And they all bullish.



                  Quote: nobody75
                  Can you smooth your course schedule since 2000 in order to remove seasonal and random fluctuations in the exchange rate?

                  You can also draw a line between the initial and final prices for clarity where the ruble price goes relative to the green one.


                  Fly away into the clouds just. Don't you think?))
                  Best regards
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 18 September 2021 12: 50
                    -2
                    Wow!!! Multitrend Curve !!! I'm embarrassed to ask, what "otherworldly" technical sense is that you use a chart in Japanese candlesticks? And why in your "trends" the number of points above and below the "trend" is strongly unequal? You shouldn't have listened to me ... There are no "professional financiers" on the forum, but there are enough techies ... So they will laugh!
                    Sincerely
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 18 September 2021 13: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: nobody75
                      I am ashamed to ask, what is the "otherworldly" technical meaning in the fact that you are a schedule in japanese candles using?

                      Have you traded on the exchange? Have you heard anything about strategies? I traded everything. Stocks, futures, option bundles and bonds. Candle the chart for technical analysis is the most convenient.
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 14: 00
                        -1
                        The candlestick chart is convenient for those analyzing the period - maximum a month. It depends on the instrument. But building a linear forecast for the dollar since 2000 is, to put it mildly, reckless ...
                        Sincerely
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 18 September 2021 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: Sahalinets
        The ruble will never be stable as long as the current policy continues. And it is as simple as a watermelon - due to the constant devaluation of the ruble, the state easily fulfills the budget and does good to exporters. Well, the fact that the population is becoming impoverished - the Kremlin does not care about that. Don't believe me? Well, enjoy an economics lesson from Yourself.

        He's just a magician! With the help of devaluation and the collapse of the national currency, I decided to make the country richer. Just an economic genius !!))

        In fact, the casket just opens - in this way mediocrity wants to justify its failures.
    5. Uran53
      Uran53 18 September 2021 06: 43
      -1
      An article about money, if you haven't noticed. And the economic bloc of the government is controlled by the "liberals" headed by the Serene One. T. n. "statists" (although in fact they are all liberals) oversee the industry
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 September 2021 06: 59
        +1
        And you have not noticed that it is impossible to separate one from the other.
        Here I do not climb into the "money", let the experts break their brains, what is the author .... wrote. But, after all, everything is interconnected, so it will be justified to touch on the social, political aspects of the problem.
        I have a lot of questions / concerns about the top ones, and even call them so ours, a nationally oriented elite ... can you find this with me? For once, at least where?
        Everything is clear ... if they do something useful for the country, the people, we count as a plus. If they do the opposite, put a minus ...
        On my scale, the balance is negative.
        And now the question is ... what to do, where to run, to whom to complain?
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 19 September 2021 10: 21
          0
          To change the elite, and to complain is the lot of children in kindergarten
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 September 2021 13: 41
            0
            No question ... where do you start or who?
            1. Uran53
              Uran53 20 September 2021 04: 33
              0
              Before starting work, you need to prepare the tool. Let the pitchfork go
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 September 2021 05: 59
                0
                Ra bo you? So you are already a master of your craft, you don't need to study? You have a smooth rush, you don't fall on its side right away, it doesn't rot from below !!! Tady oh!
                1. Uran53
                  Uran53 20 September 2021 18: 20
                  0
                  Skirda I get smooth. I have mastered this skill for a quarter of a century.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 September 2021 19: 00
                    0
                    I'm glad for you ... I don't think there are many such craftsmen who are ready to use pitchforks along ... not according to the profile.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 17 September 2021 18: 20
    +8
    The authors deliberately applied to the ruble not "for and against", but as it is fashionable now - pro & contra
    I don’t know where it’s fashionable now, so I do not approve of the use of Anglicisms.
    The ruble is not just a raw material, but in fact is a surrogate currency, and this fact, alas, has been proven many times over.
    Well, yes, well, yes ... Argument in the style of "Well, everyone knows." And I, for example, am a dense person, and I do not know what a surrogate currency is. And I don’t know by whom it was proved and on the basis of what arguments. I have not accepted arguments in the style of "this is a fact" for a long time. Gone are the days when articles were written by "gentlemen who take their word for it."
    Let us also remind that Russia knocks on the G-7 quite regularly.
    At the same time, they could also remind when exactly "knocking", so as not to be unfounded. As I heard (I can't remember exactly where I heard it over the years), the situation is quite the opposite, and there is a decision not to participate in such gatherings. Apparently the authors have other information.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2021 18: 24
      +3
      The ruble is not our everything, but almost everything
      Written in the style of the famous expression of the speaker of the State Duma Volodin:
      Putin is our main value!
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 17 September 2021 18: 43
        0
        Yeah))
        Straight "golden" man.
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 27
      +4
      And I, for example, am a dense person, and I don’t know what a surrogate currency is.

      You know, but the authors of the article do not. A surrogate currency is, for example, a Chubais voucher. In relation to gold, the dollar can be called a surrogate currency. And in general - let's not confuse money and monetary aggregates.
      Sincerely
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 17 September 2021 19: 38
      +4
      Quote: Lesovik
      Apparently the authors have other information.

      Apparently the author does not know what their names were, but, to put it mildly, they were SENT. China, by the way, sent sounds there ...
    4. Avarron
      Avarron 18 September 2021 00: 17
      +2
      Pro and contra are Latin. What does anglicism have to do with it?
    5. Uran53
      Uran53 18 September 2021 06: 50
      0
      A surrogate currency is a paper that is in the "people", but has no value outside the state. Our pop managers are paid in dollars, and the companies' earnings are counted in dollars, not rubles!
    6. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 18 September 2021 10: 09
      -2
      therefore I do not approve of the use of Anglicisms.


      Anglicism was not even close. Elementary Latin.
  3. credo
    credo 17 September 2021 18: 21
    +3
    There is no perfection in the world, so we love the domestic ruble as part of our everything, but do not forget that there are other currencies in the world that help us out in certain situations and countries.
  4. nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 September 2021 18: 36
    +8
    In finance, I'm not very literate, a ruble is a hundred kopecks, and even if you can't buy anything with a penny, it's very bad for the ruble. I used to get a hundred and a half at the box office, and I understood that it was money. Now these one hundred rubles in trifle only drag out the pocket.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 17 September 2021 18: 52
      +16
      The head of the Central Bank said that there is no reason for panic, for one ruble they still give one hundred kopecks.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2021 18: 59
        +3
        But earlier, boy, you will find a two-kopeck one and rejoice! Well, you can buy ice cream and a couple of pies, or almost 150 grams of the "golden key"! ...
        And now metal round pieces do not bring such joy ...
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 17 September 2021 19: 12
          -7
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And now metal round pieces do not bring such joy ...

          You are still looking for them. laughing
          May already work try wink ?
          1. In passing
            In passing 17 September 2021 22: 49
            +3
            I put a minus. Whoever earns a penny "with a hump and handles" knows how these "rounds" are given. Not everything is on the "budget" negative
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 18 September 2021 07: 09
              -3
              Quote: In passing
              I put a minus. Whoever earns a penny "with a hump and handles" knows how these "rounds" are given. Not everything is on the "budget" negative

              You read accordingly to your nickname, in passing laughing, read again the comment to which I answered and my answer. The man wrote that as a child he was happy to FIND coins, but now coins do not bring joy. I understand in what sense he said it, but he wrote "a little clumsily" that I told him with my joke (it turns out too clumsily laughing ). Did you find your black cat in a black room in my joke. hi
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 11
      +1
      That is, for you, inflation is the consumer price index? Basic Lyspeires Index. At seminars on statistics, I usually ask some beautiful student to include an iPhone in the consumer basket and take 1981 as a base ...
      Sincerely
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 19: 38
        +7
        Quote: nobody75
        That is, for you, inflation is the consumer price index? Basic Lyspeires Index

        That is, having heard a little understandable term, we must understand why the prices for groceries and things in the store have risen by 15-20%, and the official inflation rate is 6,7%?
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 42
          +1
          Exactly!!! Because in 1981 there were products and things (and at affordable prices!), But there was no iPhone! Do you have this "essential for life" device with high added value? Has the appearance of smartphones affected your consumption structure?
          Sincerely
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 19: 51
            +7
            Quote: nobody75
            Do you have this "essential for life" device with high added value?

            No. But how adequate is the estimate of inflation, if the iPhone has fallen in price by two times, and the set of the food basket has grown five times?
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 17 September 2021 20: 42
              0
              There are two main indices for measuring inflation - the consumer price index and the GDP deflator. The first one is basic, and the second is chain. In the case of the iPhone and products, you must either choose the right base or read the chain index, which you do, but you are trying to squeeze all this into the consumer price index.
              Sincerely
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 21: 22
                +6
                Quote: nobody75
                or choose the right base or read the chain index, which you do, but are trying to squeeze it all into the consumer price index.

                Let's not talk about terms, because the majority of the population estimates inflation not by indices and dynamics of prices for iPhones, but by price tags in stores, gas stations, utility bills.
                Leave the terms to students of economics departments. hi
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 17 September 2021 21: 43
                  -3
                  Sorry, I did not know that the majority of the population (from your words) do not know how to use the Cayley table over a ring of integers ...
                  Sincerely
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 September 2021 06: 31
                    +3
                    It is strange, sad, to realize how easily, skillfully, we are manipulated by those who nestled at the top of the pyramid, which is our society !!!
                    If you think about it, figure it out .... a man without a basket of groceries, only with an iPhone in his hands can he last for a long time ???
                    I suppose that by the end of the week it will not look like a person very much, and by the second week it will become completely cattle with an iPhone in ...
                    We are persistently striving to change priorities !!! And only the primary instincts, needs, "hinder" them and us ...
                    And here are the options ... for "homo sapiens" a trinket like an iPhone, it is a trinket, with some set of useful functions!
                    but for "homo vulgaris" an iPhone is ... in general, for him this is everything, but for society such an individual is a burden, because it can no longer be useful, even support itself.
                    My fantasies are, or not ... but how can my friends fix the fact that their child is lying on the couch, does not want to do anything and said that it will only lie, play and ..... and then how? I suppose how it will be, but to convince them, to pick up a "convincing argument" and conduct an educational impact from a specific side, in a specific place !!! Well, they don't want to listen to me, but in vain!
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 17 September 2021 19: 45
      +3
      Quote: nikvic46
      And even if nothing can be bought for a nickel, then this is very bad for the ruble.

      For us, this is not an excuse, but there are a lot of monetary units that are almost worth their weight.
      If you think about it, remember, what will you buy for one Japanese currency unit? And the country, it seems, is not one of the poor ... they do not want to fool with devaluation, that's all.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 30
        +1
        do not want to fool with devaluation, that's all.

        You joked?
        First, devaluation is a depreciation of the currency. It is usually carried out to pay off the internal debt. Most likely you meant denomination - a change in denomination.
        Second, Japan is an export-oriented economy, so the Bank of Japan regularly conducts yen interventions in order to depreciate the yen against the dollar. The increase in the money supply allows the Bank of Japan to maintain high domestic debt and foreign debt parity with the United States. However, the focus on export and the purchase of its own state. Debt drove the Japanese economy into a deflationary trap, and rising commodity and energy prices led to a negative trade balance.
        Sincerely
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 September 2021 05: 37
          0
          I was wrong in terms ...
          At the expense of the number of zeros on the price tags ... it is really a hassle to carry out the denomination of the national currency, especially when it is included in the basket of international currencies.
          And yes, good reasons are needed for such an act ...
          I won't go into the jungle, otherwise I'll be "mistaken" again, not my profile.
          Just at the expense of our 5 rubles, photocopies were made for a fee, wherever in stores / kiosks, there is a sheet of paper from 3 to 5 rubles, but a box of matches, as a measured unit, for a penny 2,5 boxes at least.
          I remember when a box cost 1 kopeck, well, there were times when a cow cost 3 rubles ... it was a long time ago.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 18 September 2021 07: 34
            0
            I won't go into the jungle, otherwise I'll be "mistaken" again, not my profile.
            I suppose how it will be, but to convince them, to pick up a "convincing argument" and conduct an educational impact from a specific side, in a specific place !!!

            Do you know what happens when people who do not want to go into the jungle grab onto "administrative levers"? Look at our government, which is ready to dance to any tune, as long as there is music ... The bear has stepped on its own ear ... So, excuse me, first "in the jungle", and only then access to "convincing arguments."
            Sincerely
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 September 2021 07: 46
              +1
              Quote: nobody75
              ..So, excuse me, first "in the wilds",

              So we have already gone through the "jungle" more than once, the result is what we need ... by the way, but it was fun to know / hear when a psychologist, a specialist in "wilds", after a couple of hours of lectures on this burning topic, finally admitted that sometimes in EXCEPTIONAL CASES, a strong argument will do more good than the whole program it gives us!
              So .... my opinion, and her program is important, necessary and useful when it is on time and at the right place !!! and a strong argument in EXCEPTIONAL CASES can have a beneficial, miraculous effect on the target!
              Conclusion - everything should be on time, to the place with reasonable use.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 18 September 2021 07: 58
                0
                when a psychologist, a specialist in "wilds", after a couple of hours of lecture on this burning topic, finally admitted that sometimes in EXCEPTIONAL CASES, a weighty argument will do more good than the whole program that it gives us!
                Given her gender, this is not surprising. All women at heart, sorry, masochists ... That is why I think that in pedagogy it is necessary to carry out decimation on the basis of gender. Send every tenth "beauty" ...
                As for the economy, I do not remember the Nobile laureates in this area from the USSR.
                Sincerely
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 September 2021 08: 53
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  Given her gender, this is not surprising.

                  You think the gender argument is the ARGUMENT. I had to face a "young talent" who tried to teach us how to raise children with severe psychological trauma ... listened, could not resist and ... no, not Makarenko, that's for sure.
                  Regarding the economy and all the laureates ... what can I say, it is better to have a strong, reliable economy than a dozen laureates of all sorts of ... different awards. The main thing is that the people live well.
                  Over there, in India, it seems, there is a laureate of something macro / micro ... and that the people from that began to live better?
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 18 September 2021 10: 06
                    0
                    Over there, in India, it seems, there is a laureate of something macro / micro ... and that the people from that began to live better?
                    Compared to the middle of the last century, the people in India began to live much better. The whole question is in how and by what indicators to compare and what period should be considered as the base.
                    Sincerely
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 18 September 2021 11: 34
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      The whole question is in how and by what indicators to compare and what period should be considered as baseline.
                      Sincerely

                      But this is important ... measuring sour with green is not rational, although many are trying.
                      So here, for us, they are trying to pull nevpi / X / uem on a square! Often this happens not here, but there.
                      For India, how they live ... for us this is not an option for anything and in any way.
                      It is, of course, fundamental !!! But there are plenty of options and fluctuations.
                      Do as you must and be what will be.
  5. ximkim
    ximkim 17 September 2021 18: 40
    +1

    So, from the point of view of popularity and demand, it is simply catastrophically inferior to the dollar, which accounts for 39,38 percent of world money turnover. And not only - ahead of us and the euro with 38,43 percent, and the British pound, which is 5,9 percent. The ruble has only 0,18 percent of the world currency turnover.


    The word "currency" comes from Italian. valuta ("value, coin, currency"), related to Italian. valere ("to have weight, to be worth"), which comes from lat. valere ("to be strong, to be able to, to be worth"), in turn, ascending to the Pra-Indo-Yevr. * wal ("to be strong") [5].
  6. Kuz
    Kuz 17 September 2021 18: 49
    +21
    The rise in prices, which means that inflation is now hampered only by the pre-election factor, that is, the unprecedented efforts of the authorities to contain them.

    I also got the same impression
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 17 September 2021 19: 19
      +1
      Quote: Kuz
      The rise in prices, which means that inflation is now hampered only by the pre-election factor, that is, the unprecedented efforts of the authorities to contain them.

      I also got the same impression

      What is the impression that you are inventing from scratch. My friend in Spain went bankrupt over the winter - in the spring, a builder, because contracts were signed in the fall, and in the spring in the spring, the material, which had already cost about the same money for a long time, suddenly rushed up 2-3 times, followed by technology, including electronics , and now the products have tightened. Doesn't it look like anything? But they, mind you, do not choose Putin smile
      Look at foreign sites, at least through a translator, everything is the same there. I don’t know why they don’t show it here, but all financiers are waiting from month to month for a collapse of the stock exchanges, due to the inflated money bubble, antiquarian aid all over the world
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 23
      +4
      And I thought that the main factor that slows down the growth of consumer prices is the decline in the purchasing power of the population, due to its high debt load ...
      Sincerely
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 19: 44
        0
        Quote: nobody75
        And I thought that the main factor that slows down the growth of consumer prices is the decline in the purchasing power of the population,

        Oh, just don’t, okay? Have you ever heard about state regulation of prices?
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 46
          +2
          Have you ever heard about state regulation of prices?

          Have you ever seen what it leads to?
          Google about the first theorem of welfare ...
          Sincerely
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 19: 52
            +2
            Quote: nobody75
            Have you ever seen what it leads to?

            In your opinion, there is no state regulation in China, the USA and other countries of the capital? belay
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 17 September 2021 20: 38
              +2
              Keynesianism - government regulation in your understanding - is everywhere. Today, this is the only doctrine that allows us to fight crises. Question in your attitude to the theorem on the neutrality of money in the long and in the short
              Sincerely
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 17 September 2021 21: 18
                +1
                Quote: nobody75
                Question in your attitude to the theorem on the neutrality of money in the long and in the short

                I don’t remember such a theorem (the institute theory has been studied for a long time). But I understood the question. There must be a government planning policy. All economists recognize this. And the Caseian theory also confirms this. (Although the same Keynes has a lot of white spots).
                But we didn't start with that, did we? And about the factors slowing down the growth of consumer prices. wink
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 17 September 2021 21: 49
                  0
                  In the long run, money is neutral and there is no government. price regulation will not hold back, but will only lead to price imbalances and an artificial shortage of goods and services. State regulation is needed solely to maintain the stability of the market, since the free market is unstable according to Samuelson's theorem.
                  Sincerely
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 07: 00
                    0
                    Quote: nobody75
                    no state. price regulation will not hold back

                    It's not about long-term retention, it's about targeted actions by the authorities in this direction, timed to coincide with certain events. Do you deny the possibility of this?
                    Further, long-term regulation is indeed not very effective, and often even harmful to the economy. But it is just as harmful, and sometimes criminal, not to use state regulation for short periods, price jumps. It is for this that there is FAS, which is now uselessly consuming budget money.
                    Do not agree?
                    State regulation is like a knife - you can cut bread, or you can kill a person.
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 18 September 2021 07: 20
                      0
                      It's not about long-term retention, it's about targeted actions by the authorities in this direction, timed to coincide with certain events.

                      Due to the Keynesian inertia of the economy, administrative measures to hold prices lead only to its, the economy, imbalance. But only. Do the authorities need to take the economy out of equilibrium?
                      Sincerely
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 09: 11
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        lead only to her, the economy, imbalance

                        Why are you sidetracking again? I have clearly indicated to you that without state regulation of prices in the short term, sharp price fluctuations are possible for purely speculative reasons. To regulate this, the state has instruments such as the Federal Antimonopoly Service.
                        You are again in the jungle of economic terms.
                      2. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 09: 36
                        0
                        sharp price fluctuations for purely speculative reasons

                        I have always believed that the most effective way to deal with speculators is to increase the lending rate on "loans for speculation." And the FAS just makes sure that there are no monopolies, oligopolies and cortels on the market ...
                        Sincerely
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 10: 46
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        And the FAS just makes sure that there are no monopolies, oligopolies and cortels on the market ...

                        You are simply not aware of the responsibilities of the FAS. Or deliberately wagging to the side. I think the second is more.
                      4. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 11: 40
                        0
                        Tell us where and when the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) managed to reduce retail prices by administrative measures.
                        Sincerely
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 13: 13
                        0
                        So I already told you that they are uselessly and ineptly eating up their wages. Although in other countries it is an effective tool for price regulation.
                        You seem to be an intelligent person, and you ask such ridiculous questions.
                      6. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 14: 06
                        0
                        I ask you very much to tell me - I am ignorant - about other countries where the local analogue of the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) achieved a reduction in retail prices by administrative methods without negative consequences in the form of a deficit, an increase in inflation, etc.
                        Sincerely
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 15: 04
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        where the local analogue of the Federal Antimonopoly Service achieved a reduction in retail prices

                        Do not force me to scour the Internet in search of examples, there are a lot of them, and I think that you will find them yourself.
                        The Federal Antimonopoly Service must ensure that there is no unjustified rise in prices. This is one of its functions.
                        Don't waste my time forcing me to write answers to basic things.
                      8. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 15: 25
                        0
                        The rise in prices is always justified by something. The antimonopoly service to the prices which side?
                        Sincerely
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 16: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        The rise in prices is always justified by something.

                        Sometimes just the seller's appetite. This side of the FAS to the prices.
                        Please do not limit the conversation to platitudes.
                      10. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 16: 29
                        0
                        In the retail market for food and consumer goods? Where and when did you see a speculative rise in prices without cartel collusion or objective reasons?
                        Sincerely
                      11. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2021 16: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Where and when did you see a speculative rise in prices without cartel collusion?

                        You answered yourself.
                      12. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 September 2021 16: 57
                        0
                        Got caught? Have you tried?
                        Sincerely
  7. Doctor
    Doctor 17 September 2021 18: 52
    +1
    Here's everything you need to know about the ruble and the dollar.

    https://pynop.com/kurs.htm
  8. fif21
    fif21 17 September 2021 18: 54
    +4
    What do you see as bad in trading Russian goods for rubles? What is our trade with the United States? Well, why do we need so many dollars in reserves? Business is not charity, if someone needs our oil, gas, wheat, weapons ... they will be bought for the money indicated in the contract (even in tugriks). Why do we need foreign investments and loans in dollars? For the USA, it is enough to TURN ON its printing press to pay off any debts. And the Russian Federation needs to EARN these dollars in order to pay off debts. You wrote your little article in the interests of the US economy, and the interests of the Russian Federation are violet for you. You a priori agree that the world is ruled by the dollar and the United States, and you urge others to do so. hi
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 22: 56
      +1
      For the USA, it is enough to TURN ON its printing press to pay off any debts.

      Instead of devaluing the dollar, the Treasuries issue and carry out quantitative easing by buying out corporate bonds from the market and inflating the Fed's balance sheet ... Why do you think?
      Sincerely
      1. fif21
        fif21 19 September 2021 11: 35
        0
        Quote: nobody75
        buying corporate bonds from the market and inflating the Fed's balance sheet.

        Quote: nobody75
        Why do you think so?

        The US needs to maintain the dollar's image as a reliable currency. What undermines the image of the dollar is the astronomical external debt of the United States, the use of the dollar as an instrument of pressure in political and economic confrontations (sanctions, freezing of accounts, fines, disconnection from payment systems) That is, countries leading their own policies that do not meet the interests of the United States should be part of the financial system USA is dangerous. And to support the United States by buying their traders (debt) is stupid. hi
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 19 September 2021 12: 06
          0
          And to support the United States by buying their traders (debt) is stupid.

          What then can be used as collateral in REPO transactions?
          Sincerely
          1. fif21
            fif21 19 September 2021 12: 50
            +1
            Quote: nobody75
            What then can be used as collateral in REPO transactions?

            In addition to traders, other assets can be used as collateral in REPO transactions - stocks, OFZs, real estate ... hi
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 19 September 2021 13: 18
              0
              Let's conduct a thought experiment ... Do not repeat it in real life !!! Let's say a commercial bank that is not a "state bank" and is not included in the top 20 issued you a credit card in rubles with a certain limit. You went with her to Thailand and tried to pay off in a bar ... After that, with a 90% probability, you will understand why OFZs are best used in pawnshop loans from the Bank of Russia.
              Sincerely
              1. fif21
                fif21 19 September 2021 14: 19
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Let's conduct a thought experiment ... Do not repeat it in real life !!!

                Dear ! We have already left the topic of the article under discussion. There are many ways to avoid double conversion. The option of buying dollars for rubles, converting dollars to baht, and even on a credit card? How could such a thing come to mind? Can we simplify the experiment and buy a little baht on the MICEX? I do not like intermediaries (extra costs), and the dollar in this case is an intermediary. Good luck to you . hi
  9. nobody75
    nobody75 17 September 2021 19: 05
    +2
    Many have not forgotten how, in response to the initiative of our current space leader to trade oil and gas for rubles, Russia was quickly brought to a common dollar denominator. But there was no urgent need even then, the ruble is the same as the dollar for domestic consumption?

    This is how they have been trading for a long time ...

    Business is slow, but progressing ... Or do the authors want to trade "absolutely paper oil" for rubles?
    Speculative investments by foreign or (disguised as them) our offshore investors go as if in a package with foreign exchange and commodity imports.

    Dear authors, speculative investments in the ruble are mainly carry trade.
    I introduced this factor into the model for a long time and I don't follow Elvira Sakhibzadovna's brooches. And you?
    Sincerely
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  11. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 September 2021 19: 08
    0
    It is obvious that the officially declared function of the measure of human labor, the universal equivalent, money is doing very badly. Perhaps at the lowest levels of a hierarchical society, this also works, but where Just Money becomes Big Money, they inevitably merge with Power and completely different mechanisms begin to operate. Despite wise theories, it is correct to regard Money as one of the many faces of Power... Therefore, the Goals and Objectives of the Power will be solved with the help of Money, their inflation, read robbery, because the purchasing power of your money is transferred to the newly printed ones, which do not yet belong to you. smile .. With the help of constantly inflated money, the energy carriers necessary for our children are exported abroad .. Someone does not even need War, we build the Pipes ourselves ...
  12. bar
    bar 17 September 2021 19: 20
    0
    The ruble is not just a raw material, but in fact is a surrogate currency

    I didn't read further, there was no point. negative
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 September 2021 07: 13
      0
      Quote: bar
      I didn't read further, there was no point.

      the author does not hesitate to subscribe with a candidate of sciences wassat
      1. bar
        bar 18 September 2021 08: 24
        0
        Not even a candidate, but a whole doctor. But there are no economic sciences, it's fake. The tasks of science: discovering the laws of nature, systematizing the knowledge gained, explaining the essence of phenomena and processes, forecasting events, phenomena and processes... And these pseudoscientists have predicted at least some kind of crisis at least once during the existence of their pseudoscience? Have you come up with at least one way to prevent it? Their whole activity consists in a pitiful attempt with a clever air to explain what has already happened. These are just uneducated accountants who are lazy to deal with numbers, and who are drawn to philosophy. tongue
        1. Drago
          Drago 18 September 2021 13: 36
          -1
          Marx is a great economist, he predicted all the crises of capital economies a century and a half ago. Don't be so about economists.
          1. bar
            bar 18 September 2021 14: 01
            -1
            So he was the last one. And not even a candidate of sciences. sad
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 18 September 2021 14: 04
          0
          About Keynes, Adam Smith, Noriel Rubini, Leontyev, Nash, John von Neumann, von Hayek?
          Sincerely
          1. bar
            bar 18 September 2021 14: 24
            -1
            I don't live in the jungle, I heard of course. All famous people, even smart ones. But even they failed to create a coherent science of "economics" with objective laws, with working theories that make it possible to make sane forecasts. Sadness sad
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 18 September 2021 14: 28
              0
              Excuse me, are you married? If you are married, then it is better not to show your wife a higher post ... Imagine what a scandal she will throw when she learns that home economics - an economy in other words Greek - is not a science, and she is not slender ...
              Sincerely
              1. bar
                bar 18 September 2021 14: 36
                -1
                Unlike "economics", they have not yet thought of conferring academic degrees for home economics. And she will even agree that these are similar "sciences" laughing
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 September 2021 19: 33
    +2
    what I'm trying to summarize how this relates to military business, but it does not work (although there is an option - an article of sabotage act. laughing ) Or was the Academy of the General Staff reorganized into the Academy of Finance?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 17 September 2021 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Captive
      I'm trying to summarize how this relates to military affairs

      Directly. If the ruble flies into space with Rogozin, then everything, including military affairs, will fly. Everyone needs money
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 17 September 2021 21: 22
        +2
        We somehow thought about money after the war, but at the wrong time. There was no time for that.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 September 2021 07: 17
      0
      Quote: Captive
      I am trying to summarize how this relates to military affairs, but it does not work (although there is an option - an article of sabotage act.) Or was the General Staff Academy reorganized into the Finance Academy?

      in fact, through military power, the world was forced to use someone else's money, while they reformatted the minds of users with money and continue to format it.
  14. alystan
    alystan 17 September 2021 20: 36
    +1
    The authors did their best to arrange and chew on the shelves ...
    But "they did not notice or deliberately" they did not say a word about the word contra with writing in Latin, such as in the original, but for any Soviet person in education and spirit, contra, even in Chinese, will have only one meaning - ENEMY.
    Wrote in the title Yes - No, below in the text For - Against, both in pairs and separately. For what purpose? For me, this is another "Overton Window" - let the readers get used only to the meaning of the word given by the authors, and then, as always, people will gradually begin to forget, not pay attention to such a "trifle", and then they will not be able to remember at all who the counter was! ?
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 17 September 2021 21: 56
      +4
      That these same "doctors of puppet science" chewed ??? You should try to trade currencies on the stock exchange according to their "advice" .... Although it's better not ...
      Sincerely
      1. alystan
        alystan 17 September 2021 22: 46
        +2
        I believe you about currency trading on the stock exchange. It’s my mistake that I didn’t indicate my sarcasm ...
        I paid all my attention to their attempt to "blur" the true meaning of the word "contra".
        Thanks for the kind word!
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 September 2021 07: 30
      0
      Quote: alystan
      let the readers get used only to the meaning of the word given by the authors, and then, as always, gradually people will begin to forget

      another attempt to blur and replace the meaning of words smile Just like with the words Elite - the best, Culture - a system of internal restrictions ... etc.
      sometimes the purpose of the war turned out to be the possibility of circulation of foreign currency .. we lost in this strategy
  15. Overlock
    Overlock 17 September 2021 21: 13
    -3
    Believing in the ruble is ridiculous. But nowhere to go, you have to convert it
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 17 September 2021 21: 23
      -1
      Show your finger to the fool and he will laugh.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 September 2021 08: 30
      0
      Quote: Overlock
      Believing in the ruble is ridiculous. But nowhere to go, you have to convert it

      maybe it's worth fighting? to force the authorities to act in the interests of the people, for this it is enough to correctly tune the brains of one single person whose name is an average Russian.
  16. staer-62
    staer-62 18 September 2021 04: 03
    -1
    We have all millionaires and above, as well as officials keep their wealth in foreign currency by putting the rest of Russia on the ruble, which is constantly being dropped. For them, maintaining the ruble exchange rate is not necessary or even beneficial. The cheaper the ruble, the cheaper the labor. Is it bad when an active worker gets $ 500? And the pension is $ 200. Our reserves are kept in foreign currency, there are hundreds of billions and a pension of $ 200.
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  18. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 September 2021 13: 13
    +1
    I remember trips to Turkey, gentlemen! Yes, we went there with euros and dollars; but it turned out that it was perfectly possible to pay in rubles there! In shops, kiosks, hotel, "excursion" factories, at the airport on the packing of luggage and, even in Duty Free, they did not refuse rubles! What happened ? Who brought the ruble to the point that there are dudes calling the ruble a "surrogate" without fear of getting into the face? request
    I have been to Thailand with a ruble bank card when the baht was equal to the ruble! And Thai ATMs obediently gave me baht in exchange for rubles 1 to 1 with a transaction of 150 baht (150 rubles) ... There was a decent amount on the card and I could not deny myself anything ... almost! (I couldn't buy a luxury car, house, yacht; but I didn't think about that then!)
  19. Hypertension
    Hypertension 18 September 2021 14: 09
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    It is still in demand not only in Russia, but also in many other places, starting with the independent one, and not only near the border, and ending with Syria and ... Afghanistan.

    You can't argue here ... Everything is grown-up. Every country is a "world economic colossus" ...
  20. Glagol1
    Glagol1 19 September 2021 12: 42
    0
    The government, playing with the ruble exchange rate, regulates foreign trade flows. At a rate of 80 rubles per dollar, a part of imports is reduced by itself, and even the most ineffective exporters, such as Rosneft, make a profit. So the ruble is more likely not a surrogate, but a butler at the celebration of the life of our government.