The vaccine is not a panacea, but it's too early to panic

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Source: newsvladimir.ru

The Delta strain ruined everything


The logic of specialists from the very beginning of the pandemic was simple - the more the population receives the coronavirus vaccine, the faster we will cope with the infection.

In the earliest and most optimistic expectations of researchers, there are ideas about achieving herd immunity at 50–55% of those vaccinated. With each passing month, this number has grown and at present it is not at all clear how many vaccinated people are needed to keep COVID-19 in check.



They counted on a gradual emasculation of the lethality of the virus strains. This was the case before - infections in opposition to the immune system slowly weakened, turning into relatively harmless or, as they say now, seasonal diseases. Usually cited as an example of the "Spanish flu", which mowed down several million people at the beginning of the century. Over the course of time, the virus has become obsessed and turned into a modern flu, with which humanity somehow gets along.

But, either the epidemiologists overlooked something, or the coronavirus plays by completely different rules and is not ready to take an example from a distant relative? Instead of behaving like a real parasite and gradually getting used to living with a host, SARS-CoV-2 throws fierce strains into the population. This is what the "Indian virus" or, as it is politically correct to call it, the "delta" strain, has become.

Delta is dangerous because of its unique rate of reproduction in the body.

A small educational program.

All viruses conditionally refer to living beings, since they do not have the function of reproduction outside of other organisms. Any virus needs someone more perfect for the appearance of descendants. At the same time, the destruction of the host is not included in the plans of any virus - it is just that the circumstances develop. In one case, it is possible to bypass the immune system and repeatedly self-replicate without causing much harm, while in the other one has to go to extreme measures and destroy the host.

Despite the fact that viruses do not possess intelligence, they behave quite "consciously" and it seems that the causative agent of COVID-19 is the "smartest" of them. The human population is very large, people live crowded, and viruses can not adhere to the rules of good manners, turning into relatively harmless parasites.

So "delta" disarms the immune system in a new way - with an avalanche-like rate of reproduction in the host's cells. For a conditional day, such a strain releases into the wild a thousand times more copies of itself than the original "Wuhan" virus. And this is amazing, because the initial variants of pathogens, or, as they are called, "wild" variants, are usually the most evil. And here the opposite is true.

COVID-19, quite likely, revealed an important problem of our time - the lack of knowledge of what is happening around.

Until 2020, it seemed to us that epidemiologists and virologists are well aware of the modern microcosm and the rules of behavior in it. They know, of course, but not everyone. Many processes were not completed or were not initiated at all. This is partly to blame for the system of grant support for scientific research - the money is received by those who have managed to prove the relevance of the idea. And at this time in the world of viruses, obviously, amazing and imperceptible evolutions took place. With its own laws and tragedies.

Who would have thought of studying coronaviruses and vaccines against them two years ago?

And now it is a real scientific mainstream and trillions of dollars. So it turned out that the logic of the evolution of the virus is incomprehensible, from the word "absolutely".

Death or vaccine


The COVID-19 large-scale accounting system has been operating in the world for a long time and quite effectively, and in recent months it has been giving depressing results.

As an example of what is happening, Great Britain is well suited, which recently showed 75% of the population enviable for Russia with vaccinations. According to all the scenarios that were discussed six months ago, COVID-19 in this country should be, if not defeated, but surely well crushed?

But on September 13, more than 26 thousand infected are recorded! Almost one and a half times more than in Russia with 25% of vaccinated. Skeptics will say one example confirms the rule rather than refutes it.

Consider the United States, where almost 64% of the population received the two components of the vaccine. But despite this, on September 13, more than 226 thousand Americans were infected in the country!

What does this mean?

First of all, that the vaccinated get sick quite often. For example, in New York on July 19, 5,5 thousand unvaccinated and 2,8 thousand vaccinated were infected with the notorious "delta" strain. At the same time, 65,5% received two components of vaccination in the city.

The notorious herd immunity has been achieved, can we celebrate victory?

But the difference in the number of cases among vaccinated and "anti-vaccine" is only two times makes us think about the advisability of artificial immunity. It would be nice to show here similar Russian statistics, but they are not ready yet, and there will be a lot of questions for it. For example, how to weed out falsely vaccinated people who just bought a certificate for themselves? We still do not know the true volumes of this market, so it is difficult to catch the error here.

But all of the above is true only at first glance.

Understanding the effectiveness of the vaccine comes from taking into account the deaths from the coronavirus. In Great Britain, on September 14, 185 people died (with 26 thousand infected), and in Russia, 781 people died on the same day, with 17,8 thousand infected. By the way, the British still recovered more than fell ill - we have the opposite.

In the United States, on September 13, 2,13 thousand died from coronavirus, about 2,6 times more than the daily deaths from COVID-19 in Russia. But there are more cases than ours, almost 15 times.

The conclusion suggests itself: vaccination is far from a panacea, but it significantly reduces mortality. Even for the "delta" variant. And this is perhaps the most important subtotal of the entire pandemic.

Forecasts, of course, are a thankless task. Especially in the app with the coronavirus history... Everyone who predicted a quick return to normal life back in 2020 is now modestly silent on the sidelines. Nevertheless, the options for the development of events can and should be considered. To convince the hardest vaccine skeptics.

The not very high rates of formation of population immunity have already led to the fact that the virus has a constant and quite large-scale sample for its own evolutionary experiments. The virus refuses to turn into cute and fluffy precisely because of this - everything is fine with it, it will not work to exterminate humanity, since there are still a lot of potential unvaccinated hosts.

With each new aggressive strain, the notorious share of herd immunity is growing steadily. Now scientists, in general, are talking about the need to vaccinate 100% of the population. In particular, this idea was expressed by the virologist Anatoly Altstein. This is impossible in principle, of course. Creeping vaccination gives the virus time to modify and search for new victims.

What prevents a new modification of the S-protein in the virus from appearing and infecting children?

This, by the way, will be a completely different picture of the world and other consequences for the world community and the psyche of people.

New, more dangerous variants of COVID-19 will require different types of vaccines from virologists. And this, in turn, can lead to the emergence of superviruses that are resistant to all drugs and drugs.

And these are far from horror stories - antibiotic-resistant disease-causing bacteria were one of the main medical problems of the century before COVID-19. Due to constant stress, bacteria have evolved into pathogens that take nothing at all.

We are told that viruses are not capable of this, they say, they are too primitive. However, the events of recent months only confirm the inability of doctors to predict events, scientists - to make adequate forecasts, and ordinary people - to rally in the face of a global threat. Every man for himself is an excellent breeding ground for new strains of coronavirus.
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  1. +26
    16 September 2021 03: 20
    My opinion is growing more and more that the crown did not appear by itself.
    1. -16
      16 September 2021 04: 54
      Aliens from Nibiru brought.
    2. -2
      16 September 2021 20: 11
      It's not that important. More importantly, it does not disappear by itself.
      The author considers us for debi ... s. A scary delta strain, you say? And what is there now in his homeland in India? That's just it.
      And a totally vaccinated Mongolia? And Israel with its death rate from covid? And what to do with inconspicuous supermortality in Israel? Where to sweep it, under what carpet? ..
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 20: 35
        Well, as if with the mortality rate in Israel. And from Covid as well.
        1. +1
          16 September 2021 20: 42
          As if...
          The data is open - look at least
          1. +3
            16 September 2021 20: 58
            Okay, data is data.
            2020
            Russia for 1000 people:
            Fertility 10
            Mortality 14.
            Israel:
            Fertility 19
            Mortality: 6
            Ps. Something else to see ...
            1. +2
              17 September 2021 06: 50
              Why juggle the deck? In 20, Israel had not been injected yet.
              No no no! We look at the data for 21 years! Especially in January-April. And it's much more interesting there!
              And Russia, yes, is one of the three "leaders" in mortality, and also starting from the age of 21. Moved the Africans. Which, you know, found that positive PCR tests are even on banana peels and generally do not want to inject)))
      2. -1
        29 October 2021 15: 07
        The author is trying to explain to you stupidly that the case with the coronavirus is very, very bad.
        In India, do you all say abgemakht?
        Duck and in Vktnam with a population of 90 million last year everything was also normal, one and a half people a day were infected. And then in the middle of 2021 it started to blow ... so Vktnam does not know where to run for the vaccine.
        Perhaps no one knows what to expect from this strange virus in the future. And to build out of yourself an oracle and a saint will also make people laugh.
        1. 0
          29 October 2021 17: 10
          Once again, there is no covid in India. At the point of origin of a super-dangerous strain, as "science" assures.
          In Vietnam, covid appeared exactly when the mass vaccination began - this is already a classic of the genre. As in Mongolia, etc.
          Are you trying to rub in on me something different from what I see with my own eyes in my hometown, which is 92% vaccinated?
    3. +3
      16 September 2021 20: 32
      By itself ... It's like, like, "immaculate conception".
      In general, if you hint at biological weapons ... It turned out very awkwardly.
      The result is difficult to control. The mortality rate is low.
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 15: 00
        Quote: Shahno
        In general, if you hint at biological weapons ... It turned out very awkwardly.

        Because a blank, a semi-finished product, and not a full-fledged combat virus.

        Quote: Shahno
        The mortality rate is low.

        Not yet evening.
  2. +24
    16 September 2021 04: 08
    They immediately warned that the vaccine does not exclude infection and even disease, but it reduces the likelihood and severity.
    1. +1
      16 September 2021 07: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      however, reduces likelihood and severity.

      Severity yes, probability no. It annoys me that our media, together screaming about the need for vaccination, for some reason ignore the opinions of leading virologists.
      According to the article -
      In Great Britain on September 14, 185 people died (with 26 thousand infected), and in Russia 781 people died on the same day with 17,8 thousand infected
      Does the author take into account the quality of medicine and treatment?
      Honesty of statistics?
      1. +14
        16 September 2021 09: 19
        Does the author take into account the quality of medicine and treatment?
        Honesty of statistics?

        Takes into account. To do this, it is enough to look at the number of cases and deaths in the same UK in 2020, before the vaccination was carried out. The statistics for 2020 are very similar to those in Russia. The 2021 is different. Over the year, the quality of medicine has changed a lot or what?
        Severity yes, probability no.

        The article contains figures that clearly indicate the opposite. The likelihood also reduces.
      2. GAF
        -2
        16 September 2021 19: 23
        /// Does the author take into account the quality of medicine and treatment?
        Honesty of statistics? ///
        There are doubts about accounting.
        Before the publication of the article, it would be useful for the author to look at the Internet.
        The author asks the question: "Who would have thought of studying coronaviruses and vaccines against them two years ago?"
        Coronoviruses and vaccines for them began to be studied more than half a century ago as a problem in veterinary medicine. Genetic engineering has improved in the first two decades of the 19st century. a large number of new representatives of the Coronaviridae were discovered and studied, including those artificially created in laboratories. “Curiosity is not a vice,” they could have played out and get COVID-XNUMX.
        And one more question from the author: “It would be nice to show similar Russian statistics here, but it is not ready yet, and there will be a lot of questions for it. For example, how to weed out falsely vaccinated people who just bought a certificate for themselves? "
        The author, obviously, was not vaccinated. Before vaccination, the patient fills out a form, according to which records and statistics are kept, and not by reference. My granddaughter took me and my grandmother to the vaccination station and was vaccinated herself. After the second vaccination, her temperature rose by the night to 37,5 and by the morning everything was gone, but with us, due to our age, when no cholera is terrible anymore, the vaccinations passed without a trace. The granddaughter, since she is a teacher, threw off an electronic certificate of vaccination on her iPhone, and grandfather and grandmother do not need certificates. This is the question of statistics.
        1. +2
          16 September 2021 21: 40
          Quote: GAF
          The author, obviously, was not vaccinated. Before vaccination, the patient fills out a form, according to which records and statistics are kept, and not by reference

          Alas, the statistics and those who bought it. For I myself know several people who, according to the State Services, have a Cewar code. hi
          1. GAF
            -1
            17 September 2021 17: 50
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: GAF
            The author, obviously, was not vaccinated. Before vaccination, the patient fills out a form, according to which records and statistics are kept, and not by reference

            Alas, the statistics and those who bought it. For I myself know several people who, according to the State Services, have a Cewar code. hi

            Your statistics a la SOLZHENITS: "One grandmother said" - not Rosstat.
            1. +1
              17 September 2021 17: 53
              Quote: GAF
              Your statistics a la SOLZHENICIN:

              In what sense? belay I am not the only grandmother, and I personally know several who bought a certificate, and this certificate was checked by State Services.
              Or do you need documentary evidence? wink
        2. +3
          17 September 2021 04: 26
          Quite right. We are veterinarians, we have been studying coronaviruses for a long time. Coronavirus gastroenteritis of dogs, a real scourge of dog breeders with a lightning-fast course. The activity of coronaviruses in dogs was especially manifested in the early-mid 90s.
    2. +10
      16 September 2021 08: 08
      Two days ago I talked to my wife's sister. She has been working at the covid hospital since April 2020. They now have 5-7 deaths every day. Moreover, it is often not old people who die. He asked specifically how many of the dead were vaccinated? I did not remember a single incident.
      1. +9
        16 September 2021 08: 58
        Quote: sergey32
        I did not remember a single incident.

        If she didn’t remember, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. The opinion of one person is not an axiom and is not considered as evidence. If I tell you that in Voronovo there were up to 40% of the vaccinated with covid and there were deaths, you won’t believe it. And I have no such task to convince you. There are large numbers of LUs, there are official statistics and there is politics.
        1. +11
          16 September 2021 10: 08
          I have no doubt that there were deaths among the vaccinated and I have no doubt that the deaths among them are much less than among the unvaccinated.
        2. +7
          16 September 2021 11: 10
          If she didn’t remember, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. The opinion of one person is not an axiom and is not considered as evidence. If I tell you that in Voronovo there were up to 40% of the vaccinated with covid and there were deaths, you won’t believe it. And I have no such task to convince you. There are large numbers of LUs, there are official statistics and there is politics.

          At the time of my admission to the hospital (04.07.21/XNUMX/XNUMX), about half of the vaccinated were in the wards. And there were all the terms: after the first dose, after the second dose, vaccinated in March-April -...
    3. +13
      16 September 2021 08: 51
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      They immediately warned that the vaccine does not exclude infection and even disease, but it reduces the likelihood and severity.

      forgot to mention:
      1.the initial status of the organism, including concomitant pathology
      2.the possibilities of the medical institution and the level of training of doctors
      1. +14
        16 September 2021 11: 36
        Quote: Silvestr
        the initial status of the body, including concomitant pathology
        2.the possibilities of the medical institution and the level of training of doctors

        I live in a village, in October 2020 I was sick with pneumonia, they did not take a test for Covid, because they said that bad statistics and new cases were not needed. He was treated at home with injections. In February - March 2021, he was grafted with Sputnik. In June, some of the colleagues with whom I had close contact were put in a coronavirus with a confirmed coronavirus, while I and other vaccinated workers did not get sick ... So I do not regret the vaccination, I transferred it very easily. Intends to be vaccinated in the future ...
        1. +8
          16 September 2021 11: 57
          Quote: raw174
          Intends to be vaccinated in the future ...

          Good luck and health! This is what everyone chooses CAM. In medicine, there is a concept "informed consent"and everyone decides only for himself. An important word "informed"
      2. -7
        17 September 2021 01: 24
        Quote: Silvestr
        ... the capabilities of the medical institution and the level of training of doctors

        Are you talking about Israel and yourself?
    4. +1
      17 September 2021 22: 56
      Not true. All the irons were broadcasting at once - 100% efficiency. 100% safe. Absolute zero consequences.
      Forgot...
    5. -2
      19 September 2021 13: 42
      Yes, they constantly warn about something. America will fall apart, Europe will freeze. Balabolki.
  3. kig
    +10
    16 September 2021 04: 51
    “Every man for himself” is an excellent breeding ground for new strains of coronavirus
    - agree. Humanity missed a great chance to rally in the face of a common disaster, and instead became even more divided. For those who have vaccines and who do not, for those who believe and do not believe, for those who have the "most correct" vaccine ... in general, everything is as usual.
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 20: 13
      Humanity has missed a great chance to rally in the face of a common disaster
      For that chance (or rather CHANCE) to split did not miss.
  4. +29
    16 September 2021 04: 53
    Who would have thought of studying coronaviruses and vaccines against them two years ago? And now it is a real scientific mainstream and trillions of dollars
    For some reason, it seems to me that the main words here are "trillions of dollars."
  5. +17
    16 September 2021 05: 08
    Someone still doubts that the crown was invented for shearing dough from a herd of trillions of dollars? In August, after a broken leg, in order to undergo a rehabilitation course at the Rehabilitation Center, I had to pass the IFA for the crown, and it costs 1980 rubles, almost two thousand. And without IFA, no one is accepted, nowhere. And IFA is not available for free, since it is not included in the list of compulsory medical insurance services. And now imagine that for a trifling analysis with a prime cost of 10 rubles, tens of millions of people pass annually in Russia alone! This is tens of billions of rubles in profit! And on a global scale? I'm not talking about PCR tests, sales of masks, gloves, sanitizers, recirculators, ventilators and so on, so on, so on!
    1. -1
      16 September 2021 05: 15
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Someone still doubts that the crown was invented for shearing dough from a herd of trillions of dollars?

      Mortality or significant loss of health for many of those who have recovered are also fictions? I thought the COVID-inadequate was over already, but no.
      1. -4
        16 September 2021 05: 34
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Mortality or significant loss of health for many of those who have recovered are also fictions?

        Fiction, of course. A person dies from a heart attack or from chronic ailments, and he is diagnosed with death from covidla. And that's all, the statistics for the believers in the Baranovirus will be replenished!
        1. +16
          16 September 2021 05: 39
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          A person dies from a heart attack or from chronic ailments, and he is diagnosed with death from covidla

          Do not disgrace yourself, eh? There are enough of those who have recovered and who have lost their acquaintances, friends, relatives and friends.
          1. +7
            16 September 2021 05: 45
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do not disgrace yourself, eh? There are enough of those who have recovered and who have lost their acquaintances, friends, relatives and friends.

            There is no one among my acquaintances who would die of the crown. Although, I'm lying. A relative died six months ago, he was 84 years old, allegedly died of the crown. Apparently, there would be no crown, he would have lived to be a hundred years old.
            1. +9
              16 September 2021 06: 19
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              There is no one among my acquaintances who would die of the crown. Although, I'm lying. A relative died six months ago, he was 84 years old, allegedly died of the crown. Apparently, there would be no crown, he would have lived to be a hundred years old.

              Likewise. And I have a fairly wide circle of friends .. If there are more than 150 people together with relatives and friends, work colleagues. And only one of the employee's mother died from covidla, who was over eighty ..
              1. +13
                16 September 2021 09: 07
                Among my acquaintances, four have already died .. The kingdom of heaven to them .. All are not vaccinated. Everyone is in the 50-60 age range. As for chronic diseases, one of them didn’t seem to have anything like that, I don’t know about three of them ..
                1. -1
                  19 September 2021 13: 46
                  And what? We are dying like flies 50-60 years old. Oh! By the way, an idea appeared - to blame the low life expectancy of Russians on coronavirus.
              2. 0
                16 September 2021 12: 20
                If there are more than 150 people together with relatives and friends, work colleagues. And only one of the employee's mother died from covidla

                This is FUCKING mortality - more than half a percent. Now multiply by 140 million.
                But this is nonsense compared to my numbers.
                I have about 250 acquaintances. Died 7. All except one over 70. Nobody was vaccinated. And about a third was ill. It's bad that about half of those who have recovered have consequences up to strokes and heart attacks.
                1. -1
                  19 September 2021 13: 48
                  To die of a baranovirus at the age of 70 is the dream of most Russian men, who will not live up to 70 without a baranovirus.
              3. +3
                16 September 2021 12: 21
                Quote: Svarog
                Likewise. Moreover, I have a fairly wide social circle.

                I have relatives in Israel, USA, Russia, Germany, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia.
                Friends, in Azerbaijan, Armenia, USA, Israel, the Netherlands, Germany, Russia, New Zealand, Greece, Italy, Ukraine and Turkey.
                It seems that I have not forgotten anyone.
                For all the time Kovidayo died of a friend's mother-in-law in Seattle!
                Most, if not almost ALL, who live outside the CIS, with the exception of Israel and Turkey, NOBODY has taken root.
                Himself too, Although for 57 years, if I may say, I have been working in the "red zone", with refugees.
            2. +28
              16 September 2021 06: 47
              And among our colleagues of the 18th OBS in Afghanistan in 1983-1986, out of 65 officers and a warrant officer, 4 people died from this infection, and officially the average age is 60-65 years. And when I learned that Genka Schepotin died, with whom we were The Pandshere were dozing. In short, I haven't abused so much for a long time.
              1. -34
                16 September 2021 06: 55
                Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                I myself took root out of solidarity with my wife.She is a teacher, they have an obligation

                Where is your obligation? In Ukraine?
                1. +26
                  16 September 2021 06: 57
                  In Smolensk If you are an expert in geography, then yes, Ukraine
                  1. -50
                    16 September 2021 07: 05
                    Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                    In Smolensk If you are an expert in geography, then yes, Ukraine

                    You are most likely a bot from Ukraine, in Russia there is no compulsory vaccination.
                    1. +19
                      16 September 2021 07: 12
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      You are most likely a bot from Ukraine, in Russia there is no compulsory vaccination.

                      blah blah blah
                      Kuzya in his repertoire
                      all those who disagree are Ukrainian bots
                      and in fact we have the following
                      School and university administrations may require teachers to be vaccinated

                      read more at https://www.garant.ru/news/1482323/
                      1. -35
                        16 September 2021 07: 32
                        I repeat once again for the gifted: there is no compulsory vaccination in Russia, this is a criminal offense under Art. 286 and 330 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
                      2. +24
                        16 September 2021 07: 40
                        And you try not to break the vaccines, if you fall into the category that you prescribed in the decree of the chief sanitary doctor of the region Or you think that you are the only one so smart, and the rest do not read these laws, we have many good laws, but as M. Saltykov-Shchedrin said the number of laws in Russia, I compensate for the non-binding nature of their implementation (not literally) 1
                      3. +4
                        16 September 2021 09: 27
                        There are, of course, excesses on the ground, but my sister is a teacher, 50 percent of them have not taken root (in her words) and nothing works. A friend's husband works in a boiler room, he also did not get vaccinated (anti-vaccine), although they are persistently recommended, but no more, by the way, he is sick now, no one is firing. We have the largest vaccination center in the city, but there are no queues (that is, few people are vaccinated), I haven't waited more than five minutes for the first time. A friend works in an organization serving medical equipment, he runs all day in clinics and hospitals, it seemed they should have been vaccinated immediately as doctors, but nifiga, they were vaccinated only after almost everyone had been ill, the loss of one person, a driver for 60 years.
                      4. +7
                        16 September 2021 13: 52
                        What are you talking about! We were obliged at work to be vaccinated, or to go on an unpaid leave until the end of the pandemic .... Which is tantamount to dismissal. And so yes, it’s not by force. Krasnodar region.
                      5. +2
                        16 September 2021 17: 37
                        MOSCOW, May 25 - RIA Novosti. The government has submitted to the State Duma a bill on the introduction of vaccination against coronavirus in the national vaccination calendar.
                        Those. the government (Mishustin) insisted on compulsory vaccination.
                        But the State Duma on July 15 rejected this bill.

                        True, another was adopted, according to which mandatory vaccination (for a certain category of citizens - this category is prescribed) could be introduced by the head of the region on the recommendation of the chief medical officer of the region based on the epidemiological situation in the region.
                        So the regional excesses are the result of the "diligence" of medical doctors and heads of regions.
                        What drove them this question? Probably taking care of our health.
                      6. +2
                        17 September 2021 08: 56
                        And what is the problem to get vaccinated? One figure once said about vaccination, if you make it paid and limit the use, there will be queues right there and they will still fight for the vaccine. I think he was right.
                    2. +27
                      16 September 2021 07: 20
                      About 60% of Russian regions have introduced compulsory vaccination for certain categories of citizens Practically everywhere teachers are in the first place.
                      1. -36
                        16 September 2021 07: 31
                        I repeat once again: in Russia there is no compulsory vaccination, when teachers are vaccinated, they sign on the voluntariness of their vaccination.
                        Forcing to vaccinate is criminalized under Art. Art. 286, 330 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: “Arbitrariness and abuse of office”. Employees can apply to the prosecutor's office and the court with a complaint about the actions of the employer.
                      2. +14
                        16 September 2021 07: 58
                        Moscow, began to be, now by itself and is not a part of the Russian Federation? laughing I see that you are a specialist not only in eorgafii like the notorious Mitrofanushka, you have surpassed him too. wassat
                      3. 0
                        19 September 2021 14: 04
                        Ahh. Well, this is voluntary - compulsory vaccination.
                        The employer requires as a condition of the continuation of the contract. The state requires as a condition for the provision of services, etc.
                        Ps. My opinion. A new version of the manipulation of freedoms. Overload. Like, "we can strangle you like this, but you will get used to it"
                      4. 0
                        16 September 2021 09: 33
                        How do you get the teacher to get vaccinated? He does not care about being fired, he knows that he will not be fired because of this, they are already sorely lacking. Here he does not want to force something.
                      5. +4
                        16 September 2021 11: 31
                        You are a little off topic Lack of HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL teachers But in practice it is like this. I am following the example of the school where I worked. Do you think you are the only one so smart ..? Like where to get teachers So because of the museum salaries of teachers, almost everyone agreed to work on two rates T. And who cares Plus a large outflow from rural schools Lifetime mortgage and here he is, a city dweller and to school for any conditions
                    3. -1
                      16 September 2021 12: 23
                      You are most likely a bot from Ukraine, in Russia there is no compulsory vaccination.

                      There is no compulsory anywhere. We have a voluntary-compulsory one. If you don't want to, don't get vaccinated, they won't be allowed to work. And this is the most correct policy. On the one hand, the choice is yours, on the other hand, concern for the team as a whole. Unfortunately, this had to be done BEFORE the delta strain. By the way, in the United States now the same policy.
                    4. +6
                      16 September 2021 15: 35
                      All state employees are forced to vaccinate, I experienced the hard way.
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2021 20: 37
                        All state employees are forced to vaccinate

                        The heads of regions have this right
                        In accordance with paragraph 6 of Part 1 of Art. 51 of Federal Law No. 52-FZ in the event of the threat of the emergence and spread of infectious diseases that pose a danger to others, which include COVID-19, the chief state sanitary doctor of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation issues a decree on preventive vaccinations for epidemic indications, in which it defines individual groups of citizens, as well as service sectors (list of jobs) with a high risk of contracting infectious diseases in an unfavorable epidemiological situation.

                        In addition, this is accompanied by increased financial incentives for the regions from the Mishustin government.
                        The heads of the regions, hearing about the increased financing of vaccinations, are immediately taken under the hood, especially since the statistics of coronavirus diseases "suggest" the same thing.

                        In all, one can feel that the Prime Minister Mishustin is very much "concerned" about the health of the population of our country, believes in the power of vaccination, and demands to vaccinate 80-90% of the population, not to skimp on stimulating this process.
                    5. -1
                      18 September 2021 23: 04
                      What a naive person you are. In Russia, obligations are almost everywhere, up to and including dismissal. It's just not really advertised.
                  2. +11
                    16 September 2021 07: 56
                    He is special in all matters. Fucking. laughing
                2. +17
                  16 September 2021 07: 35
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                  I myself took root out of solidarity with my wife.She is a teacher, they have an obligation

                  Where is your obligation? In Ukraine?


                  Everywhere in the Russian Federation. Without vaccination - suspension from work. Come out of the gloom already.
                  1. -31
                    16 September 2021 07: 37
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    Everywhere in the Russian Federation. Without vaccination - suspension from work. Come out of the gloom already.

                    Don’t lie, at our work nobody is obliged to be vaccinated. The sister is also not obliged to vaccinate at work.
                    1. +4
                      16 September 2021 07: 57
                      Who do you work and who is your sister.?
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2021 08: 15
                        Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                        Who do you work and who is your sister.?

                        I am a forecaster, I work at the airport, make forecasts for aviation. And my sister works at FKP "Airports of the North".
                    2. +10
                      16 September 2021 07: 58
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      Don’t lie, we do not oblige anyone to be vaccinated at work.

                      Obligate. I had to take a medical lead from an allergist.
                    3. +3
                      16 September 2021 08: 21
                      It all depends on the scope of activity, we work with children and athletes, vaccination should be universal, but there is practically no control. No one has checked the vaccination certificate or they have access to the database. Yes, Kavid behaves selectively, he can crush the owners of the house for himself or simply to pull one two out of the family. In his natural origin, I already begin to doubt that he somehow works selectively. In the red zone, doctors are dressed like astronauts, and if a person is sick in the family, he can only be sick.
                      1. +8
                        16 September 2021 09: 09
                        Well, I don’t know My wife’s in the gymnasium without presenting a certificate in any way
                    4. +2
                      16 September 2021 10: 48
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Everywhere in the Russian Federation. Without vaccination - suspension from work. Come out of the gloom already.

                      Don’t lie, at our work nobody is obliged to be vaccinated. The sister is also not obliged to vaccinate at work.

                      My wife, at work, was obliged to be vaccinated. They were banned from going to work without vaccination, with a deadline. Works as an accountant in the field of education. If you have not come across this, then at least read what they write to you.
                      1. -6
                        16 September 2021 10: 51
                        Quote: ivselim
                        My wife, at work, was obliged to be vaccinated. They were banned from going to work without vaccination, with a deadline.

                        This is illegal, let him complain to the labor inspectorate and the prosecutor's office.
                      2. +3
                        16 September 2021 10: 57
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Quote: ivselim
                        My wife, at work, was obliged to be vaccinated. They were banned from going to work without vaccination, with a deadline.

                        This is illegal, let him complain to the labor inspectorate and the prosecutor's office.

                        Suppose he complains, the people in charge will be "punished", they will not be fired from their jobs. Great huh? And then they won't let her "live", and they will do everything so that she no longer works there (there were examples, before the covid). You don't seem to live in Russia. Take off your rose-colored glasses.
                      3. -7
                        16 September 2021 11: 04
                        Quote: ivselim
                        Suppose he complains, the people in charge will be "punished", they will not be fired from their jobs. Great huh? And then they won't let her "live", and they will do everything so that she no longer works there (there were examples, before the covid)

                        Everything must be within the boundaries of the Law. Or is the director of the gymnasium a tyrant there? So it is very well treated with complaints to the Labor Inspectorate and the Prosecutor's Office.
                      4. +3
                        16 September 2021 11: 22
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Quote: ivselim
                        Suppose he complains, the people in charge will be "punished", they will not be fired from their jobs. Great huh? And then they won't let her "live", and they will do everything so that she no longer works there (there were examples, before the covid)

                        Everything must be within the boundaries of the Law. Or is the director of the gymnasium a tyrant there? So it is very well treated with complaints to the Labor Inspectorate and the Prosecutor's Office.

                        Committee on education "tyrant". Are you suggesting a simple accountant "butt" with them? Nude Nude (as in that joke)
                      5. +5
                        16 September 2021 11: 37
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Everything must be within the boundaries of the Law.

                        How small! Russia and the Law or the Law in Russia!
                      6. +8
                        16 September 2021 12: 47
                        For your information For people like you, admirers of the law in Russia, the Ministry of Labor issued an explanation that dismissal from work during a period of increased epidemiological conditions does not contradict the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, there is a link to a certain article, I don’t remember to vskidku And is suing. ? This is also that against the wind ........ OU will be restored in a year, and after 3 months they will eat And teachers can be eaten as easy as shelling pears Make a schedule with only ° windows ° and everything will not be enough for a long time, and there are plenty of other ways
                      7. Qas
                        +1
                        17 September 2021 14: 29
                        How old are you, excuse me? It seems that you are giving advice from behind a school desk ...
                      8. +7
                        16 September 2021 12: 37
                        Quote: ivselim
                        My wife, at work, was obliged to be vaccinated. They were banned from going to work without vaccination, with a deadline. Works as an accountant in the field of education.

                        Russia is a wonderland. If for mortals it is an obligation, then for the elite it is not. Or is Peskov sweeping the blizzard again?

                        As one propagandist used to say, "I don't think so!"
                    5. +1
                      18 September 2021 16: 55
                      Our "general" in May at the "kurultai" with the governor on the occasion of compulsory vaccination suggested that the governor and his Caudle come to the plant and encourage people to be vaccinated voluntarily, only at the checkpoint and outside of working hours. He bluntly stated that he was not going to force anyone: "the collective farm is a voluntary matter," and if all these clever people want to work for the entire collective of the plant in the event of a mass dismissal of "hard workers" - for the salary of an ordinary person, he is ready to hire everyone and provide them with the opportunity "plow" in our conditions. Since then, all campaigning has been leaflets about vaccinations at the checkpoint and in workshops. The temperature, however, is measured when passing through the checkpoint. Out of 800 people, I think, 40 percent have been ill, deaths per year - 2. And they have nothing to do with the baranovirus. Siberia is a mysterious country :), does not "fit" into the statistics .....
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2021 23: 17
                        In our country, such a "general" would be quickly replaced by a more loyal to the authorities at the next extraordinary meeting of shareholders.
              2. -1
                19 September 2021 13: 51
                Do you even know that we even have a PAINTED average life expectancy for a man of 63 years?
            3. +6
              16 September 2021 10: 03
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              A relative died six months ago, he was 84 years old, allegedly died of the crown. Apparently, there would be no crown, he would have lived to be a hundred years old.

              Maybe I would live to 89 ...
              The virus leads to fatal consequences, first of all, in people with reduced immunity (the elderly, with COPD, neoplasms, HIV, etc.).
              1. +2
                16 September 2021 11: 38
                Quote: Doccor18
                The virus leads to fatal consequences, primarily in people with reduced immunity (elderly, with COPD, neoplasms, HIV and

                Fine! Then why is it this category that they are persistently trying to vaccinate?
                1. +5
                  16 September 2021 12: 01
                  They are trying "persistently" ...
                  At least the inactivated Chumakovsky, yes, during the period of remission, it seems that it will not become "fatal", but there is no, but the immune response will still give ...
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2021 12: 18
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    At least inactivated Chumakovsky

                    But the problem is that Moscow was being expanded with Sputnik, and the places where the Chumakov vaccine was in the queue were crazy queues. Popov's vaccine is good because, although it did not give complications, the benefit-harm ratio was acceptable.
                    1. +4
                      16 September 2021 12: 34
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      the problem is that Moscow was being expanded with Sputnik ..

                      Not only Moscow ...
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      where there was Chumakov's vaccine queue there were crazy queues.

                      Somewhere there is a queue, but somewhere there is no queue, because there is no queue ...

                      Quote: Silvestr
                      the benefit-harm ratio was acceptable.

                      I agree.
            4. +2
              17 September 2021 23: 12
              Same. My uncle died, 86 years old. 4 degree of diabetes, almost did not go. Fell at home, broke the neck of his thigh. After the operation, he was discharged from the hospital, at home on the 2nd day he felt bad, he died. Diagnosis of covid.
              Friend, over 60, scheduled heart surgery in March 20. Canceled. And at the end of April, a heart attack. I began to choke, my relatives dragged me to a CT scan. Found, of course, what they were looking for. He died in covidarium, where he simply lay for several days. Alone.
          2. +13
            16 September 2021 07: 57
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do not disgrace yourself, eh?

            It's a secret for you that in the wake of coronavirus, why did mortality from heart attacks, strokes, and oncology decrease? Is it better to treat steel? Or count differently?
            Where did the deaths from non-viral pneumonia go?
            Here my neighbor died, 82 years old, oncology, was on chemistry. The usual flu would have killed her, but no one would have thought to put it in the cause of death.
            The crown was placed.
            Aren't you embarrassed that the largest scientists in virology belong to the inadequate covid in our country? Chuchalin, Zverev and many other academicians, professors and doctors of sciences? wink
            1. +2
              16 September 2021 08: 23
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It's a secret for you that in the wake of coronavirus, why did mortality from heart attacks, strokes, and oncology decrease? Is it better to treat steel? Or count differently?

              Yes, and where is the decline data? Maybe in the same place where are the "prominent scientists"?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Aren't you embarrassed that the largest scientists in virology belong to the inadequate covid in our country? Chuchalin, Zverev and many other academicians, professors and doctors of sciences?


              Guess whose words these are?

              And if we talk about the infection itself and morphological changes, then the vessels of the brain are affected in the same way as the lungs and the heart. Therefore, they talk about strokes in young people and a number of other problems that arise ...
              .... Yes, so I say that this is social tension in society, which is associated with unpredictability. If something like that captures the medical team, then it's really bad. A lot of doctors have died from the coronavirus. Nearly 700 doctors and nurses have died, a large number, according to the cited data. Most often these are ambulance doctors, intensive care units. I know a hospital where 100 percent of doctors have suffered from COVID-19. But since we learned to diagnose early, to provide assistance, during this time the severity of the disease has significantly decreased ...
              ... The coronavirus will be with humans for the next 100 years.

              one of the founders of the Russian school of pulmonology, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Chuchalin.
              And he had a complaint about the urgency of receiving the vaccine from the Institute. Gamalei. and not to the presence of a crown.
              1. +10
                16 September 2021 09: 09
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Yes, and where is the decline data? Maybe in the same place where are the "prominent scientists"?

                Will Rosstat and the Ministry of Healthcare be suitable as sources?
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Guess whose words these are?

                Wait, I do not deny the danger of the crown, like all the scientists I mentioned. We are talking about the vaccine, its "effectiveness" and forced vaccination, and not about the harmlessness of the corona.
                Some strains of flu are no less dangerous, but there is no hype. Here is the hysteria with the rigging of mortality statistics. hi
                1. -1
                  16 September 2021 09: 15
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Wait, I do not deny the danger of the crown, like all the scientists I mentioned.

                  Let's decide then
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  It's a secret for you that in the wake of coronavirus, why did mortality from heart attacks, strokes, and oncology decrease? Is it better to treat steel? Or count differently?
                  Where did the deaths from non-viral pneumonia go?
                  Is it about a vaccine here? "I see the coronavirus, there is no vaccinia.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Will Rosstat and the Ministry of Healthcare be suitable as sources?
                  Do you already have an official statistics on the causes of mortality? Let me not believe it.
                  1. +6
                    16 September 2021 09: 28
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Is it about a vaccine here? "I see the coronavirus, there is no vaccinia.

                    Maybe I didn't put it quite correctly. Vaccine rage and coercion directly with coronavirus, with falsification of statistics. There is hysteria, which at times exaggerates the danger of the crown. And as a consequence of the actions of the authorities, limiting civil rights.
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Do you already have an official statistics on the causes of mortality? Let me not believe it.
                    Murashko will do? wink
                    In 2020, mortality rates from cancer have decreased in Russia. This was stated by the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation Mikhail Murashko, RIA Novosti reports.

                    And further -
                    MOSCOW, February 15. / TASS /. Cancer deaths fell in 2020 despite the pandemic. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova announced this on Monday.
              2. +9
                16 September 2021 09: 13
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And he had a complaint about the urgency of receiving the vaccine from the Institute. Gamalei. and not to the presence of a crown.

                No one doubts the presence of the crown. But! Then mention that
                the same Chuchalin left the council at the Ministry of Health after the start of vaccination.
                1. +10
                  16 September 2021 10: 19
                  “It is important for a country to have a vaccine, but when research is conducted, the principle of safety comes first. It is impossible to guarantee sustainable safety by reducing the test period to 4–6 weeks, ”Chuchalin is sure.
                  The second important principle of research, according to the scientist, is the voluntary informed consent of patients. “Our option is a TV show. People do not understand what scientists are doing, - said the academician. “Before the start of the research, a declaration of ethics must be written, which has not been done.”

                  Professional opinion.
                  Now he heads the commission on bioethics at the Russian Academy of Sciences and is the representative of Russia in the international committee on bioethics of UNESCO ... Honorary positions, and "everyone is happy" ...
            2. +4
              16 September 2021 09: 20
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              that on the wave of coronavirus why did mortality from heart attacks, strokes, oncology decrease? Is it better to treat steel? Or count differently

              What are you talking about?
              the number of deaths from diseases of the circulatory system in Russia is not only not decreasing, but, on the contrary, is growing. From 2014 to 2019, these rates did decrease - by an average of 16 cases annually. But in 872, they have skyrocketed. According to the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation, in January-October 2020, mortality from diseases of the circulatory system amounted to 2020 per 620,7 thousand population, which is 100% higher than in the same period in 6,6.

              According to the National Medical Research Center (NMITs) named after V.I. V.A. Almazov, in 2020 944 843 people died from diseases of the circulatory system, which corresponds to 643,9 cases per 100 thousand of the population. The head of the department and clinic of faculty therapy of the Military Medical Academy named after V.I. CM. Kirov, professor Vadim Tyrenko.

              These mournful indicators are not decreasing, but growing.
              On average, more than 600 thousand new cases of malignant neoplasms are registered in Russia annually (2019 - 640 391, 2018 - 624 709).
              In Russia, on average, about 300 thousand people die from oncology per year (2019 - 294 400 people, 2018 - 293 704). The number of deaths from neoplasms in 2020 amounted to 289,9 thousand people,
              The decline in cancer mortality declined by an insignificant 2-3% in 2020, with a steady increase in the total number of newly diagnosed oncology.
              1. +7
                16 September 2021 21: 35
                Quote: Doccor18
                The decline in cancer mortality declined by an insignificant 2-3% in 2020, with a steady increase in the total number of newly diagnosed oncology.

                Our sorrowful experience: dofig cancer both old and young, mortality is enormous, especially in the age group "after 60", neglect is great, since even in Moscow the routing of a cancer patient is extremely confusing. Newly diagnosed cancer can get to the oncologist in a few months, although the standard is 2 weeks. And after months, sometimes there is nothing to catch - ales-kaput
          3. +8
            16 September 2021 09: 09
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do not disgrace yourself, eh? There are enough of those who have recovered and who have lost their acquaintances, friends, relatives and friends.

            What's the shame? The statistics on the sick and those in the LU is based on the statistical card of the retired, the deceased - on the basis of the autopsy protocol and the death certificate issued by the pathologist. The latter is rented to the registry office. How can it be on the basis of these 2 documents to be like this

            How can you get confused in "2 pines"? Not even 3!
            1. -6
              16 September 2021 09: 11
              Quote: Silvestr
              The statistics on the sick and those in the LU is based on the statistical card of the retired, the deceased - on the basis of the autopsy protocol and the death certificate issued by the pathologist.
              Is this a link - a scan of a picture from Forbes? Shitty argument.
              1. +5
                16 September 2021 09: 36
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Is this a link - a scan of a picture from Forbes? Shitty argument

                How finicky you are laughing How young!


                Is that okay? laughing
                1. -5
                  16 September 2021 09: 40
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Is that okay?

                  You are not able to give normal links, personally I prefer not to look at pictures but to read texts, this is such an early age. Why do you have a fondness for pictures?
                  1. +6
                    16 September 2021 09: 49
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    You are not able to give normal links, personally, I prefer not to look at pictures, but to read texts,

                    So hammer in Yandex 'Rosstat, statistics, covid, discrepancy "
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Why do you have a fondness for pictures?

                    Not convincing? You don't like the source
                    1. -4
                      16 September 2021 10: 24
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      You don't like the source

                      Are you sure you understand the word "source" correctly?
                      Here I will give you an example of a source:
                      The statistics of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 in Russia have repeatedly become a cause for controversy. In the first half of June, even the Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Program, Michael Ryan, spoke on this matter. He said that mortality statistics from the coronavirus COVID-19 in Russia are difficult to understand. Therefore, the Russian authorities must reconsider the way deaths are detected and reported, as low death rates and high morbidity are "unusual"
                      .
                      https://www.nn.ru/text/health/2020/06/23/69329521/

                      And now I will analyze the words of a WHO specialist: in his opinion, Russia LOWERS mortality from COVID.
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2021 21: 37
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Russia LOWERS mortality from COVID.

                        No brainer
                      2. -2
                        17 September 2021 02: 59
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Russia LOWERS mortality from COVID.

                        No brainer

                        Then why the hell are you supporting the lamentations about Ingvar-72 "coronation" ?! He then denies the increased mortality from COVID!
        2. +6
          16 September 2021 09: 31
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          A man dies of a heart attack


          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          he is diagnosed with death from covidla

          How do you imagine that?
          They will be diagnosed with COVID19 in cardiac intensive care, when there is a transmural infarction or pulmonary embolism ..?
          1. +5
            16 September 2021 09: 46
            A funny thing from life, the partner passed the test during illness, when closing the belute, he shows the test results to the attending physician. The doctor, with the words, in these laboratories does not understand anything, writes bilateral pneumonia! Curtain.
            1. +4
              16 September 2021 09: 55
              Quote: tralflot1832
              shows test results

              100% reliability of tests, initially, even by their manufacturers was not proven ...

              Quote: tralflot1832
              bilateral pneumonia!

              This diagnosis is made using other examination methods.
              After all, not every pneumonia is caused by covid, just as not every case of covid leads to pneumonia ...
              1. +3
                16 September 2021 09: 57
                Then, after a couple of months at work, we take a test for antibodies, he got them from somewhere, I don’t. Paradox.
                1. +2
                  16 September 2021 11: 26
                  Testing is a lucrative business. Everything else is secondary ...
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2021 11: 30
                    And I think, where did the people get their money? There is a construction boom in the private sector on the Black Sea coast.
              2. +5
                16 September 2021 11: 45
                Quote: Doccor18
                After all, not every pneumonia is caused by covid, just as not every case of covid leads to pneumonia ...

                Here the dog is buried! Although all for some reason forgot about the manifestations of covid in the form of myocardial infarction, stroke, thrombosis of the femoral artery or mesenteric thrombosis. It has been proven that covid-19 is primarily a violation of the blood coagulation system. Virchow's triad has not been canceled:

                That's all Covid. Further, a secondary nosocomial infection and some kind of outcome
                1. +5
                  16 September 2021 12: 04
                  What about anticoagulant support?
                  1. +4
                    16 September 2021 12: 16
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    What about anticoagulant support?

                    so it just fits into the gap in Virchow's theory: the endothelium cannot be changed, but the properties of blood can be very much
                2. +6
                  16 September 2021 12: 14
                  It is also possible to add "thrombus inflammation", a virus-mediated model of NET-os, which, as is now being studied, has a very close relationship between inflammation and thrombus formation. These NETs (extracellular traps secreted by neutrophils) seem to be of fundamental importance in the development of immunothrombosis. While this is all in the research phase ...
                  1. +6
                    16 September 2021 12: 16
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    It is also possible to add "thrombus inflammation", a virus-mediated model of NET-os, which, as is now being studied, has a very close relationship between inflammation and thrombus formation. These NETs (extracellular traps secreted by neutrophils) seem to be of fundamental importance in the development of immunothrombosis. While this is all in the research phase ...

                    without a doubt!
          2. -1
            19 September 2021 13: 58
            They will put it with pleasure. Whoever wants to be responsible for their mistakes.
            everyone is happy. Best regards, surgeon.
        3. +3
          16 September 2021 09: 41
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Mortality or significant loss of health for many of those who have recovered are also fictions?

          Fiction, of course. A person dies from a heart attack or from chronic ailments, and he is diagnosed with death from covidla. And that's all, the statistics for the believers in the Baranovirus will be replenished!

          I don’t know how in other places, in St. Petersburg it was exactly the opposite. The number of deaths from COVID sometimes decreased by 2-3 times.
          1. +2
            16 September 2021 11: 09
            Quote: victor50
            I don’t know how in other places, in St. Petersburg it was exactly the opposite. The number of deaths from COVID sometimes decreased by 2-3 times.

            I fully admit that this is possible. On Wednesday. Az. underestimate mortality at times. Sometimes tens of times. So, for example, about 3 months ago in Tajikistan, there were about 110 people killed by covid, among them the president's sister and mother-in-law.
          2. 0
            16 September 2021 21: 39
            Quote: victor50
            in St. Petersburg it was exactly the opposite. The number of deaths from COVID sometimes decreased by 2-3 times.

            It can't be bad in Putin's homeland by definition
      2. -2
        16 September 2021 11: 12
        Mortality or significant loss of health for many of those who have recovered are also fictions? I thought the COVID-inadequate was over already, but no.

        And the shearers on people ... put a bolt on the M36!
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      1. +2
        16 September 2021 07: 52
        Quote: kin
        Even to receive state payments, it is necessary to provide a PCR test.

        What kind of payments? And then until now I have not been asked this test at all ...
      2. +1
        16 September 2021 08: 00
        Did you ask for a PCR test in the mail, or the ATM refused to service? lol
        1. kin
          0
          17 September 2021 18: 24
          laughing Yes sir. There is such a state program for the resettlement of compatriots, participants are issued a certificate and after receiving it, everyone included in it must undergo activation to receive lifting ones, for activation it is necessary to present a PCR test to everyone. Funny, huh? I gave the numbers above, for some reason they deleted it.
      3. 0
        16 September 2021 15: 20
        So the goof is not a mammoth, the goof will not die out. lol , what a convict will simply eat deliciously! hi
    3. +3
      16 September 2021 08: 42
      If you are the director of a budget enterprise, and the owner of the test laboratory is your friend, both can earn so much on PCR tests! I passed tests 15 times, if not more.
      1. -1
        16 September 2021 08: 54
        Quote: tralflot1832
        on PCR tests, both can earn so much! I passed tests 15 times, if not more.

        How much does it cost to take a PCR test? It seems to be too expensive.
        1. +4
          16 September 2021 09: 03
          That's right, 1900 rubles. A joke about tests, a person takes a test at work - cleanly. Well, a very serious "scam" with the most severe control turns up, you deceive these - you don't respect yourself, he goes to the test in the same office, the result is "dirty" .Testing difference 3 days, quarantine for two weeks.
  6. +13
    16 September 2021 05: 24
    The coronavirus has brightly highlighted another problem - an acute shortage of doctors. Just the other day, my wife needed the help of a neurologist, she called two polyclinics, a regional and a veteran one. In both, the answer is the same - at present there are simply no neurologists, everything is in the "red zone". In response to the question "what to do now" - a deaf silence.
    And the article, in my non-professional opinion, is good. Of course, specialists will have their own opinion on this matter, but that is why they are specialists, they know better.
    1. +11
      16 September 2021 05: 42
      Over the covid year, there were 600 thousand more deaths than in the dock time. It means that people are dying like flies because of the lack of qualified medical care. All medicine is thrown into the fight against Covid. The people are practically thrown into self-survival. The more people die from covid, the more funding comes from the feds, our doctors are not stupid, they have found a niche where money can be earned, this is true. It doesn't matter from what a person died - it's a covid and numbers, numbers, numbers! It is necessary to objectively understand: additional deaths are the result of a complication of covid or the cause of the general coronary hysteria that caused medical failures, and the death rate of covid does not exceed the usual flu. Will anyone ever figure it out and make it public or not? Or is it beneficial to everyone as it is?
      Doctors simply do not take into account previous diseases and do not treat them, if only because they pay a lot of money in the red zone, and everyone went there, earned and closed their mortgages and loans.
      1. +5
        16 September 2021 06: 18
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        It is necessary to objectively understand: additional deaths are the result of a complication of covid or the cause of the general coronary hysteria that caused medical failures, and the death rate of covid does not exceed the usual flu. Will anyone ever figure it out and make it public or not? Or is it beneficial to everyone as it is?

        There is no state explanatory company that would put an end to rumors, fabrications and give objective statistics. Obviously, different groups of eaters of Russia at different levels benefit from coronation.
        1. +7
          16 September 2021 07: 31
          Quote: aybolyt678
          There is no state explanatory company that would put an end to rumors, fabrications and give objective statistics.

          You look around at least occasionally ... There is an official website, there is information from the Operational Headquarters, there is information from regional operational groups ...
          Believe them ??? Yeah, schaz ...
          Since the times of the USSR, people do not believe in power and read between the lines
          1. +7
            16 September 2021 08: 02
            Quote: your1970
            There is an official website,

            I repeat, there is no explanatory work .. There is an IDB (imitation of violent activity). For example, ventilator - why ventilator if the lungs are affected? Ventilation is necessary for operations associated with a possible arrest of respiratory movements. The affected lungs need an "artificial lung" or ECMO apparatus, this is a very sophisticated equipment for saturation blood oxygen, bypassing the lungs.
            There is no refutation of fakes on the official website. And everything is designed in such a way that there is no desire to read, because the obvious bullshit.
            1. +5
              16 September 2021 10: 20
              Quote: aybolyt678
              There is no refutation of fakes on the official website. And everything is designed in such a way that there is no desire to read, because the obvious bullshit.

              How can you refute fakes?
              How to refute any lie - if in Russia (Tsarist / Soviet / current) they never believed the authorities ???? !!!!!!!
              Nowhere in the world has anyone ever spared convicts - "the dregs of society" and that's all ... Nowhere - except Russia ....
              On the other hand, they always felt sorry for us and fed them ..
              "Tea, the evil has suffered from the government !!" and it doesn't matter that he chopped people down with an ax ...
              1. 0
                19 September 2021 18: 18
                Quote: your1970
                How can you refute fakes?

                the authorities have no purpose to refute the fakes, quite the opposite ... Who do you think is the boss in the country, the president and the ministers, or the owners of the banks?
        2. -1
          19 September 2021 14: 01
          State-owned? Is it like 25 million high-tech jobs? Or 500 million, yes million, preferential mortgages?
      2. 0
        16 September 2021 06: 26
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        It is necessary to objectively understand: additional deaths are the result of a complication of covid or the cause of the general coronary hysteria that caused medical failures, and the death rate of covid does not exceed the usual flu. Will anyone ever figure it out and make it public or not? Or is it beneficial to everyone as it is?

        Of course, everyone benefits from the way it is .. otherwise it would be different ..
    2. +2
      16 September 2021 09: 25
      Quote: Van 16
      acute shortage of doctors.

      it was before.
      2019 "Lack of doctors in primary health care in Russia there are 25 thousand specialists. There is a shortage of 130 thousand people in the segment of paramedical personnel, said the head of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation Veronika Skvortsova on August 20.
      Today Murashko declares: “We are losing - I will not deliberately name a figure, we have an estimate on lethal outcomes and unfavorable ones, there is official statistics on the fund - but this, in fact, today, if we look at severe complications, it is more than 70 thousand people a year ... ". As he carefully says - "estimated", since there are no real statistics, and the existing one is polished.
      The shortage of doctors is silent, since it was only aggravated not only by the flow to other LUs, but also by the retirement from the profession. Taking Crimea for example:
      in 2016 the shortage of doctors was about 800, but now we are talking about 2.5 thousand! Im so everywhere
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4919073
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 11: 24
        On August 20, the head of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation Veronika Skvortsova ". So modestly," in primary medical care, "she kept silent about hospitals that are not part of this link. There was also a shortage in hospitals.

        It's scary to look at the statistics on the number of hospitals, clinics and paramedic points ...
  7. +13
    16 September 2021 05: 42
    Why isn't anyone talking about vaccine side effects? About thrombosis in particular. This is very serious and can have fatal consequences for the body in the long term.
    1. +4
      16 September 2021 06: 27
      Quote: Vladimir Kolosov
      Why isn't anyone talking about vaccine side effects? About thrombosis in particular. This is very serious and can have fatal consequences for the body in the long term.

      And why .. then they will not be vaccinated at all .. and so much money was thrown into the vaccine .. where to put it ..
      1. +5
        16 September 2021 08: 06
        Quote: Svarog
        and so much money was thrown into the vaccine .. what to do with it ..

        each vaccinated is 900 rubles through the social insurance fund. Money was poured into Sputnik V, a vaccine based on a genetically modified adenovirus. Epivak and Kovivak vaccines are made according to old proven technologies, and there is practically no side effect.
        1. +4
          16 September 2021 10: 22
          Epivac and Kovivak vaccines are made according to old proven technologies, and there is practically no side effect.


          Of course there is also a side effect. I made myself an AstraZeneca. A good old proven technology - a vector vaccine. I got myself a tachycardia, out of the blue.
          But with all vaccines, side effects can occur, this is normal. Some even die. In general, vaccines are more beneficial than harmful, but the flu vaccine should be voluntary - I don't understand this hysteria to oblige everyone.
          But before pounding, I would advise everyone to take cellular immunity for analysis. We had this very expensive research - about 300 euros. Now the price has dropped to 60 euros. So if there is this type of immunity, then it is very long-lasting - a dozen years or more and there will be no need for a vaccine.
    2. +1
      16 September 2021 08: 11
      Quote: Vladimir Kolosov
      About thrombosis in particular. This is very serious and can have fatal consequences for the body in the long term.

      are you afraid of thrombosis? this is due to an increase in blood clotting, which is activated by damaging factors (injuries, infections). A sign of increased coagulability is an increased ESR, which in turn indicates the presence of an inflammatory process in the body.
      1. +4
        16 September 2021 08: 31
        Quote: aybolyt678
        A sign of increased coagulability is an increased ESR,

        Mixed up nothing? laughing
        Quote: aybolyt678
        diphenhydramine a couple of hours before vaccination, this will reduce the reactivity of the body and prevent blood clots.

        Would you like to apply for a state award in science?
        1. -1
          16 September 2021 08: 37
          Quote: Silvestr
          Mixed up nothing?

          what am I confusing? ESR erythrocyte sedimentation rate ... an indirect sign of inflammation, a factor in which, as a rule, thrombus formation increases ..
          1. +3
            16 September 2021 08: 39
            Quote: aybolyt678
            what am I confusing?

            What they wrote
            1. 0
              16 September 2021 09: 27
              Quote: Silvestr
              what am I confusing?

              What they wrote

              again you have to figure it out yourself, damn it ...
              1. +3
                16 September 2021 11: 16
                Apparently this is diphenhydramine))) For acetylsalicylic acid contributes to blood thinning, otherwise aspirin)))))
                1. -6
                  16 September 2021 12: 13
                  Quote: Ilya22558
                  For blood thinning

                  Liquefaction, liquefaction are the terms of amateurs. The blood has a certain density, which is not affected by aspirin. However, in the inflammatory process, erythrocytes lose some of their electrical charge and tend to aggregate. Aspirin is an anti-inflammatory substance. Diphenhydramine is an anti-allergic agent with a bunch of other effects: anti-inflammatory, sedative anti-shock .... Both of these drugs reduce the aggregation of red blood cells, and the possibility of thrombosis. It's just that you need to take aspirin for a while ...
                  1. +7
                    16 September 2021 13: 11
                    It is strange that nothing is said about such an action of diphenhydramine in the pharmacological action of diphenhydramine, and according to the pharmacological group, it is attributed to H1-antihistamines. But acetylsalicylic acid, among other things, due to a decrease in the content of thromboxane A2 in platelets, leads to irreversible suppression of aggregation, somewhat dilates blood vessels. The antiplatelet effect lasts for 7 days after a single dose. And according to the pharmacological group, it belongs to antiplatelet agents.
                    1. -2
                      16 September 2021 13: 15
                      Quote: Ilya22558
                      It is strange that nothing is said about such an action of diphenhydramine in the pharmacological action of diphenhydramine.

                      In Mashkovsky read
                      1. +4
                        16 September 2021 14: 24
                        Trobocytopenia comes as a side effect of diphenhydramine. Those. maybe, maybe not.
                        And what, you, does not suit VIDAL?
                      2. -1
                        16 September 2021 14: 31
                        Quote: Ilya22558
                        And what, you, does not suit VIDAL?

                        in addition to commercial reference books, there is the classical physiology of blood clotting, conditions and factors. I have over 30 years of practice in veterinary medicine, a scientific degree, and you are climbing into the professional jungle. I am telling you for sure that if you take diphenhydramine, the chances that you will manage without a rise in temperature and thrombosis is much higher. That's all.
                      3. +6
                        16 September 2021 15: 28
                        I have over 20 years of experience in pharmacy, really no degree. Therefore, I know very well what pharmacological action and side effects are.
                        Sincerely.
                      4. -2
                        16 September 2021 17: 54
                        Quote: Ilya22558
                        Therefore, what is the pharmacological action and side effects

                        there is also the physiology of inflammation, which includes the phase of allergization (hyperergic type, violent), you will take an antihistamine in time and you will get sick evenly ... Old experienced pediatricians are very fond of diphenhydramine.
                        And then there is the little-known proverb of Abu Ali ibn Sina: - a doctor becomes a doctor only when he strews the cemetery with the bodies of his patients.
                        Quote: Ilya22558
                        I have over 20 years of experience in pharmacy

                        90% of the knowledge of a modern pharmacist is 1) homeopathy (always dreamed of homeopathic vodka laughing ), 2) knowledge of drugs that are not drugs.
                        and modern pharmacy owners have an excellent immunity to compassion for sick people. "Come to us to get sick"
                        99% of expensive modern drugs are a combination of old cheap drugs and new ones in pharmaceuticals practically do not exist.
                        Excuse me, but the clever guys brought me down today. am
      2. +3
        16 September 2021 11: 27
        - Take a pill of diphenhydramine a couple of hours before vaccination, this will reduce the reactivity of the body and prevent blood clots.

        Aha! Therefore, in the hospital, heparin and other similar drugs are injected all the time of treatment! And you just need to give diphenhydramine!
        1. +1
          16 September 2021 11: 47
          Quote: VIK1711
          Aha! Therefore, in the hospital, heparin and other similar drugs are injected all the time of treatment! And you just need to give diphenhydramine!

          And also Ksarelto vparivayut everyone, well, stupid! laughing
        2. -2
          16 September 2021 12: 29
          Quote: VIK1711
          Aha! Therefore, in the hospital, heparin and other similar drugs are injected all the time of treatment! And you just need to give diphenhydramine!

          read carefully. It was about thrombosis during routine vaccination.
          1. +2
            16 September 2021 13: 43
            read carefully. It was about thrombosis during routine vaccination.

            The sick lay with us a couple of days after the vaccination ...
            1. -2
              16 September 2021 14: 06
              Quote: VIK1711
              The sick lay with us a couple of days after the vaccination ...

              if you are puzzled with nothing, can we discuss why immunoglobulins and hyperimmune sera are not used against Coronavirus?
              1. +2
                16 September 2021 15: 03
                and what is generally treated with?
                we were treated according to some course number under twenty. And the doctor said that for the entire period they had time to try a bunch of treatment options. We started with antibiotics, but now we still have to earn antibiotics.
                1. 0
                  16 September 2021 17: 43
                  Quote: VIK1711
                  we were treated according to some course number under twenty. And the doctor said that for the entire period they had time to try a bunch of treatment options. We started with antibiotics, but now we still have to earn antibiotics.

                  hormones for how many days were injected and what was the temperature?
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2021 18: 16
                    Due to the temperature, I got ... 39,5 and did not go astray. In the ward, immediately an injection and a couple of days of droppers ... and that's all - 36,4-36,6. And hormones were injected for a week. And then they switched to antibiotics - pneumonia progressed.
                    1. -2
                      16 September 2021 19: 39
                      Quote: VIK1711
                      and that's all - 36,4-36,6. And hormones were injected for a week.

                      in fact of the matter. According to the canons of immunology, when the body temperature rises by 1 degree, the rate of antibody production increases 4 times, by two, respectively, 16 times ... The use of corticosteroids blocks the production of antibodies. Therefore, there is a lack of immunity after the disease, and complications in the form of secondary hospital infections, more often pneumonia.
                      The modern physician approached directly his semantic meaning. Semantics is the science of the origin of words. A doctor, to heal, grumble, lie, lies are conspiracies, and a doctor is a specialist in spelling, for example, teeth laughing instead of a deep theory confirmed by modern practice, they use schemes. And failures are attributed to covid, they drink tea with alcohol in the staff room and share bribes
                      1. +2
                        16 September 2021 20: 26
                        So I already went to the hospital with a double-sided one. There are few places, not everyone is taken to the hospital.
                      2. +5
                        16 September 2021 21: 57
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        The use of corticosteroids blocks the production of antibodies. Therefore, there is a lack of immunity after the disease, and complications in the form of secondary hospital infections, more often pneumonia.

                        Okay, so you. Hormone therapy for covid is the only way to avoid the "cytokine storm" and experience shows that when hormones are not used, death is more frequent. You put the alternative incorrectly: either suppression of immunity by hormones, or a secondary bacterial infection. But you forgot that covid develops just at the primary / secondary immuno - (deficiency / imperfection), aggravating it. The choice between a "cytokine storm" with 90% mortality and hypothetical pneumonia is not obvious. With a "cytokine storm", you first need to survive, and whether there will be pneumonia or not, only God knows. It may or may not be. And then - hyperthermia can be of a systemic nature and does not correlate with the activity of the inflammatory process and even be without it
                      3. 0
                        17 September 2021 08: 42
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Okay, so you.

                        Maybe you? smile Pay attention, the person was admitted to the hospital with a fever, after 2 days the temperature returned to normal, why did they inject him with hormones for a week?
                        Second, how does a cytokine storm differ from anaphylaxis, a hyperergic allergic reaction with pulmonary edema?
                        I successfully applied an ancient technique to my patients with pulmonary edema - it is called bloodletting, it clearly became easier! Was there bloodletting in at least one of the 20 schemes?
                        And one last thing: why haven't we developed corona immunoglobulins ??
                        And then - hyperthermia can be of a systemic nature and does not correlate with the activity of the inflammatory process and even be without it.

                        this is already superfluous .... agree Yes let's discuss the VIK1711 present here, with a typical case. I believe that hormones can only be used to extinguish a fire, as soon as the temperature has dropped, cling to the improvements and not interfere with the body's production of antibodies, especially since for some reason there is no special antiviral serum.
                      4. +2
                        20 September 2021 10: 11
                        this is already superfluous .... agree yes, let's discuss the VIK1711 present here, with a typical case. I believe that hormones can only be used to extinguish a fire, as soon as the temperature has dropped, cling to the improvements and not interfere with the body's production of antibodies, especially since for some reason there is no special antiviral serum.

                        There was no dexamethasone in the hospital! Everyone was buying on their own. The department was provided with the rest of the medicines.
    3. +2
      16 September 2021 09: 04
      Quote: Vladimir Kolosov
      Why isn't anyone talking about vaccine side effects? About thrombosis in particular. This is very serious and can have fatal consequences for the body in the long term.

      And who studied these side effects ??? And how vaccination will respond, let's say in 3-4 years, no one knows!
    4. 0
      16 September 2021 09: 30
      Quote: Vladimir Kolosov
      Why isn't anyone talking about vaccine side effects? About thrombosis in particular.

      Why "NOBODY"! "THERE" is spoken and the alarm is sounded. We are silent.
  8. +6
    16 September 2021 06: 31
    Some are killed by suspiciousness, others by unsanitary conditions. In a civilized society, excessive concern for their health. It is not difficult to intimidate such people, but there is something to scare. People with increased phobia decrease their immunity. This is what the supporters of the "golden billion" are playing on. An evil genius is a thousand times dangerous. The main thing is to believe in something. Make sure that after the vaccination you will not get sick and everything will be fine.
  9. +6
    16 September 2021 06: 56
    But it was not for nothing that the article noted the intelligence of the virus. From my observations, my wife has 47 people under his command (MFC), everyone is crowded, a lot of people. The deputy fell first with her husband, was pumped out in the hospital, then another employee was also pumped out! And that's it! regular tests, two positive employees feel great, while being on sick leave. The next deputy's father-in-law fell ill with covid, he went to the hospital, everyone was quarantined (they live together in a house, four rooms), but everything is clean! A week ago I myself had been ill, at this time I always start to cough, but my head began to make noise like after vaccination. My wife and my parents are in the house, they have zeros, I got sick without any problems. Moreover, some of my acquaintances who had been ill moved a lot on their heads! I think it's not just a virus!
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 07: 57
      Quote: lithium17
      some of my acquaintances who had been ill moved a lot on their heads

      A relative had this. For about a month, she was freaking out, then everything returned to normal. I think because of the drugs - I was seriously ill, barely pumped out. The treating doctor is also inclined to this opinion, although, he says, at discharge it was not noticeable.
    2. +1
      16 September 2021 09: 00
      Quote: lithium17
      My wife and my parents are in the house, they have zeros, I got sick without any problems. Moreover, some of my acquaintances who had been ill moved a lot on their heads! I think it's not just a virus!

      The fact that this is a "smart" virus is beyond doubt and that it acts selectively too, Asians are especially susceptible to the disease. Believe it or not, but last summer you could find freezers accompanied by DPS cars every day, and city crematoria were transferred for round-the-clock operation.
      I was struck by last year's superoperation to localize the virus in Wuhan, where, by a strange coincidence, the Institute of Virology is located.
      The second striking point is how quickly the vaccine appeared in China and the Russian Federation.
      The third moment, very strikingly funny, is the appearance of the president in a red spacesuit, and then his "disappearance". Where he was, whether on the ground, underground, in the sky, in bunkers or at numerous summer cottages, we do not know with 100% certainty, but he simply did not exist, and then he appeared, but in the video communication mode he still sees , and in public appears in a "kilometer" from the hall, as evidenced. careful consideration of the TV picture.
      The authorities and intelligence agencies of the countries know what is happening, where it came from and where it "took place" and they are aware of the danger for themselves.
      So any conclusions can be drawn.
  10. +9
    16 September 2021 07: 02
    There are so many contradictions with this disease, you don't know who to believe, or not to believe anyone. Bacchanalia is in its second year. They forgot how it all began, now the main thing is vaccination. In the beginning they said, "Get a shot and forget about the corona." And now they say, “vaccination doesn’t save you that you’ll get sick anyway, but it’s going to be mild, and then six months later you still have to inject as a new strain has appeared”. Yes, about the strain. German activists have created a website https://www.samueleckert.net/ This site offers 1,5 million euros to a virologist who can provide scientific proof of the existence of the coronavirus, reports https://stoppanika.ru/news/390 -poltora-milliona-evro-za-dokazatelstvo-suschestvovanija-koronavirusa.html This is what they write WE GUARANTEE:
    1,5 million euros to a virologist who will present scientific proof of the existence of the coronavirus, including documented control tests of all stages of the study ... Probably they don't need money. How not to remember
    1. -1
      16 September 2021 07: 07
      https://joker.ykt.ru/2021/06/29/tak-i-zhivem.html#comment
    2. +2
      16 September 2021 08: 35
      Quote: Unknown
      This site offers 1,5 million euros to a virologist who can provide scientific proof of the existence of the coronavirus

      one and a half million euros is ridiculous for any virologist, because an electron microscope is much more expensive and requires the teamwork of specialists. In addition, this virus exists. I worked with the coronavirus of dogs., I think the human is the same. Another thing is not clear: in all the old primers, the coronavirus is described as a very simple virus that is not very susceptible to mutations ... and then there is supposedly so many at once! With modern research tools, you can actually find all the differences and reasons very quickly.
      1. +3
        16 September 2021 10: 17
        Quote: aybolyt678
        one and a half million euros is ridiculous for any virologist, because an electron microscope is much more expensive and requires the teamwork of specialists. In addition, this virus exists. I worked with the coronavirus of dogs., I think the human is the same. Another thing is not clear: in all the old primers, the coronavirus is described as a very simple virus that is not very susceptible to mutations ... and then there is supposedly so many at once! With modern research tools, you can actually find all the differences and reasons very quickly.

        One and a half million, do not lie on the road. Seems simple enough, collect irrefutable proof of the crown, justify and dough in your pocket. There is no extra money. I am not a physician, not a specialist in diseases, but what I read on the wiki, "Acute respiratory viral infections (ARVI) (English viral respiratory infections [2]) are a group of clinically and morphologically similar acute inflammatory diseases of the respiratory system, the causative agents of which are usually viruses tropic to the respiratory epithelium is the most widespread group of diseases in the world, combining influenza, respiratory syncytial, rhinovirus, coronavirus [⇨], adenovirus and other infections that cause catarrhal inflammation of the respiratory tract [3] [4]. 200 species "... They knew about the crown for a long time, they did not feel fear of it, until a certain moment. Then bam !!! Off we go. Here is the opinion of Professor Gundarov ... "But the fact remains: humanity is faced with a total non-infectious pandemic of fear. It is dangerous, people will die of fear. This is our psyche. A terrible atmosphere of melancholy causes a drop in immunity, in fact - psychogenic AIDS." Then he says ... "The study of coronaviruses began somewhere in the 50s. We discovered that there are different types and types, they have complex relationships. Including with the influenza virus: there is real competition. It was discovered where there is a lot of influenza infection. , there are few coronaviruses. Then we start looking for a guideline, this is very important for us, because now in connection with the coronavirus they are afraid of mortality. But people die not from coronavirus, but from pneumonia. It can be caused by different agents of the microcosm. If you look at the death rate from pneumonia for the same years that I have listed, it is almost constant. In our country, pneumonia takes 30-35 thousand lives annually. Take Koch's postulates, which modern virologists seem to have forgotten. In the third postulate, he said this: to isolate a virus, you first need to isolate through filter the liquid where it is supposedly contained. Inoculate it on the animal. The animal must develop a disease with the clinic that you describe. Then take the virus from it and inoculate a friend oh animal. And if this animal also develops a disease and it happens in the same way as the previous one, only then can I say that the virus exists. And for this virus, it is already necessary to develop different methods that will detect it: biological, chemical or some other ". It turns out in a simple way, people are dying from pneumonia, the causes of which are dozens. But we are fed a lot of information, from which horror takes" . The head of the branch of the scientific center of virology "Vector" Alexander Semyonov told TASS that one infected with the coronavirus was able to infect 1,5 thousand people at once.

        “In Russia, there is a maximum case of superseeding or superproliferation, when one person infected 1 people at once,” he explained. pronounced. During the cold season in the Northern Hemisphere, he was in Europe, in the cold season for the Southern Hemisphere, he was in the Southern Hemisphere. This is a seasonal characteristic of respiratory viruses. This suggests that he will most likely come every year, will be active in the cold season, "- the head of Rospotrebnadzor quotes TASS." So all the same seasonality, as Gundarov said? Then why this hysteria?
        1. +2
          16 September 2021 18: 06
          Quote: Unknown
          Then why is this hysteria?

          if everything that you wrote you understand and this is your point of view, then I completely agree with you ...
          This is politics ... Reminds me of Perestroika. What is Restructuring? is a reformatting of deep layers of public consciousness. The consciousness of an average person has points of support - mother, family, country, a kind doctor who will save ... All this is being destroyed all over the world. When consciousness loses its fulcrum, then the tanks leave the square and shoot the Supreme Council. We are being prepared for something like that. From the very beginning, epidemiologists said that the coronavirus does not hold out for the epidemic and now, too. How many were ill, how many were vaccinated? And people supposedly continue to die!
          the analysis is done on the basis of PCR. This method allows you to find in the nasal mucus even a fragment (piece) of the coronavirus that you inhaled but which did not cause infection. Let me remind you that there is a concept of an infectious dose. And PCR is too sensitive a method, due to which false statistics are obtained.
          1. +2
            16 September 2021 18: 56
            Quote: aybolyt678
            .All this is being destroyed all over the world. When consciousness loses its fulcrum, then the tanks leave the square and shoot the Supreme Council. We are being prepared for something like that. From the very beginning, epidemiologists said that the coronavirus does not hold out for the epidemic and now, too. How many were ill, how many were vaccinated? And people supposedly continue to die!
            the analysis is done on the basis of PCR. This method allows you to find in the nasal mucus even a fragment (piece) of the coronavirus that you inhaled but which did not cause infection. Let me remind you that there is a concept of an infectious dose. And PCR is too sensitive a method, due to which false statistics are obtained.

            I completely agree about what they are preparing for. Here is another excerpt from Professor Gundarov's interview ... "Regarding deaths from covid, I have great doubts about the correctness of determining the causes of death. To use a method to identify something specific, this method must be worked out specifically for this specific phenomenon. Well, look. In China, at the end of 2019, a small outbreak of an incomprehensible disease occurred in late XNUMX. By the way, they have the lowest mortality rate from coronavirus. A completely banal seasonal outbreak of SARS. And they were immediately offered a test.

            - Who?

            - Virologist, I don't remember the name, from the German clinic "Charite".

            - Again "Charite"?

            - Yes. The same one. That is, the reason has not yet been identified, and the Chinese have already been given a coronavirus test. These "tests" for COVID-19 were being sold in 2017! There is a list of countries that purchased this test.

            - That is, in 2017 there was a test with the name "COVID-19"? Under a disease dating back to 19 years?

            - Yes! But the disease has become known since January 2020 ...... "But what can I say, I don't even know.
      2. -1
        19 September 2021 14: 08
        Look for differences and reasons? Why? Well, you found it. Next what? Didn't try in
        to think about such a foreshortening?
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    3. +7
      16 September 2021 08: 35
      Quote: Unknown
      And now they say, “vaccination doesn’t save you that you’ll get sick anyway, but it’s going to be mild, and then six months later you still have to inject as a new strain has appeared”.

      We look at our leader Putin. He was vaccinated in full, the obligation to vaccinate his entourage is not in doubt, and, again, he went into self-isolation according to the crown.
      Questions:
      1. Have you been vaccinated?
      2. Does the vaccine work?
      1. +4
        16 September 2021 09: 16
        There is a third question - what kind of vaccine did he actually shoot?
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 09: 31
          Quote: paul3390
          What vaccine did he actually shoot with?

          Tooting hi
      2. +1
        16 September 2021 11: 35
        Quote: Silvestr
        We look at our leader Putin. He was vaccinated in full, the obligation to vaccinate his entourage is not in doubt, and, again, he went into self-isolation according to the crown.

        Yeshkin cat! Putin himself confirmed my words!
        1. -1
          19 September 2021 14: 10
          500 million mortgages. Or insanity or lying. Do you understand?
    4. +2
      16 September 2021 10: 28
      Quote: Unknown
      the website is offering 1,5 million euros to a virologist who can provide scientific proof of the existence of the coronavirus,

      Mom, working at the SES in the 1970s, went to Samara to study. Among the serious viruses, they were shown the coronavirus. So she remembered most of all that all other viruses were in anti-plague suits and increased security measures, and the crown was only a mask and glasses. He was so frivolous then ..
      1. -1
        19 September 2021 14: 11
        So he is still bullshit. Protective suits in special zones have been canceled.
  11. +8
    16 September 2021 07: 10
    Just compare, a country where everything was put to the service of man. Including medicine. And now where money is more important than health. Now it is important not to cure but to make money.
  12. +7
    16 September 2021 07: 21
    I have been following the events on the anti-pandemic front in our area for a long time. And especially carefully - in their age category. Without such a breakdown, the general indicators of morbidity / mortality, etc., this is exactly that often ridiculed "average temperature in the hospital".
    So, the data for yesterday:
    the vast majority of people over 60 years old have already been vaccinated, and the percentage of seriously ill people among them is much lower than among unvaccinated people.
    Among citizens in the age category 60+ seriously ill and unvaccinated - 156/100 thousand,
    seriously ill and vaccinated without a "booster" - 33/100 thousand,
    seriously ill and vaccinated with the "booster" - 4/100 thousand.
    At the same time, at the moment, among seriously ill patients in the category of 60+ unvaccinated - 225,
    vaccinated without a "booster" - 98,
    vaccinated with a "booster" - 46.
    There is no XNUMX% guarantee, but the numbers speak for themselves.
    1. +3
      16 September 2021 08: 06
      Good morning, Alexander. hi

      What is a "booster"?

      I just belong to the 70+ category, in the spring my wife and I got used to it, but recently both have had a "delta" on their feet, a rather disgusting sensation. In a week we will drive to the city for a new vaccination, it will clearly not be worse. smile
      1. +5
        16 September 2021 08: 16
        Quote: Sea Cat
        What is a "booster"?

        Greetings. hi
        This was the name of the third single dose of the vaccine, which, from the beginning of August, they began to vaccinate those who have had 6 months since the date of paired vaccinations.
        It has been found that in older people, as time passes from the date of vaccination, the level of protection decreases.
        The third dose of the vaccine is aimed at re-enhancing the immune response and thus increasing the effectiveness of the vaccine.
        1. +4
          16 September 2021 08: 21
          I understood everything, thanks. So, we have a "booster" ahead of us, well, we will graft on. smile

          I wish you health and good luck. drinks
          1. +2
            16 September 2021 08: 27
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I understood everything, thanks. So, we have a "booster" ahead of us, well, we will graft on. smile

            I wish you health and good luck. drinks

            Mutually! drinks
          2. +1
            16 September 2021 08: 31
            Quote: Sea Cat
            So, we have a "booster" ahead of us, well, we will graft on.

            Our Ministry of Health has not yet formulated a policy regarding the third vaccination for people who have had coronavirus. request
        2. +2
          16 September 2021 08: 27
          I made 3 grafts myself yesterday.

          there are several employees at work and both of my parents got corona sick about 2 weeks after the third dose. (no complications)

          maybe a coincidence, maybe the immune system is weakened for a while and the latent infection goes into a violent stage. request

          I will find out in two weeks
      2. +2
        16 September 2021 08: 22
        Quote: Sea Cat
        What is a "booster"?

        third vaccination
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 08: 23
          Yes, I got it already. smile
    2. -2
      19 September 2021 14: 13
      Nonsense. The sample is small. Yes, if it is also shy. And you are shy.
  13. +2
    16 September 2021 07: 22

    A small educational program.

    And who, I apologize, is an author by education to carry out "educational programs" for the population?
    In Vick I found only one - he or I don't know?

    Author: Evgeny Fedorov
    Evgeny Alekseevich Fedorov - Russian politician, deputy of the State Duma of the Federal ... Wikipedia
    Date and place of birth: May 11, 1963 (age 58), St. Petersburg
    Parents: Alexey Ivanovich Fedorov
    Party: United Russia
    Education: North-West Institute of Management (2006), St. Petersburg Law Academy (2006).)
    1. +1
      16 September 2021 08: 00
      Quote: aszzz888
      And who, I apologize, is an author by education to carry out "educational programs" for the population?

      What's the difference? Here are some of the authors on any topic experts, just wonder. Well, commentators too)
      1. +1
        16 September 2021 08: 02

        Woodman
        Today, 08: 00

        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        And who, I apologize, is an author by education to carry out "educational programs" for the population?

        What's the difference? Here are some of the authors on any topic experts, just wonder. Well, commentators too)
        There are such moments.
    2. +7
      16 September 2021 08: 03
      Good afternoon. Evgeny Fedorov - Candidate of Biological Sciences, Honorary Worker of General Education. Fortunately, there is no wiki
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 08: 12
        Good afternoon. So in the wiki, your namesake. I have a question for you about your story - "However, the events of recent months only confirm the inability of doctors to predict events, scientists - to make adequate forecasts, and ordinary people - to rally in front of the global threat. "
        This is your personal opinion, and if so, is it worth imposing it on everyone. Because in the available media there are small, to say the least, disagreements with your conclusion. PS And I also have wishes for authors who have a scientific or other degree of knowledge, to present themselves under the materials, so that there will be no misunderstandings in the future.
        1. +8
          16 September 2021 08: 27
          My opinion, like everyone else's, is strictly subjective. I do not impose it, they just express it on the VO site. There are so many polar opinions in the available media now that one is simply amazed. In the penultimate journal Expert, an article was published, which indicates the research of Israeli scientists about the weak post-vaccination immunity compared to natural immunity in those who have been ill. This is still a preprint, but still. It is dangerous to rely on the opinion of scientists in general - the pandemic has shown: 1. Mankind has not encountered such a thing before; 2. Nobody really knows what to do. Around the world, there is a real disagreement - countries are opening and closing, quarantining and canceling. One example is Sweden, where nursing homes and migrant quarters have become extinct. Well, with all the measures taken, we have a very high mortality rate. There is little logic in all this. So far, it is only clear that any modern vaccine against COVID-19 reduces the likelihood of death. Six months ago, the vaccine was supposed to stop the pandemic. Now it will not stop, but only reduce mortality. And by the way, the coronavirus is already significantly reducing the average life expectancy across the planet. About how so much in Russia, one can only guess.
          1. -1
            16 September 2021 08: 34
            I read your answer. America, Sweden, China and other countries have their own, completely different PRINCIPLE of vaccines. Economically developed countries have their own vaccines. In the less developed - they buy what they give from the master's table. And in my opinion, it is not entirely correct to compare the course of the disease, and their strains at different times, in different countries. They will be NATURALLY different. And the fact that covid "is already quite noticeably reducing the average life expectancy across the entire planet" - do not bring it, Lord!
            To this, sheriff.
            1. +3
              16 September 2021 08: 49
              And the fact that covid "is already quite noticeably reducing the average life expectancy across the planet" - God forbid!

              This, excuse me, how to understand? Another educational program - the average life expectancy is decreasing due to the mass mortality of the population. Worldwide, almost 5 million have died from the coronavirus and a lot more from the consequences. Does it make you happy? Apparently, thank God, it hasn't touched yet.
              America, Sweden, China and other countries have their own, completely different PRINCIPLE of vaccines.
              The principle of operation is not important. The proven efficacy of the vaccine, the duration of the formed immunity and side effects are important. Sweden does not have its own vaccine - they buy
              1. +3
                16 September 2021 08: 53
                Of course not, this is for another post !!! I unsubscribed to several members of the forum and sewed up. I beg your pardon.

                I looked later - not mine.
              2. +1
                16 September 2021 09: 30
                The mortality rate in the world is about 60 million people a year. From oncological diseases 10 million are cardiovascular from 20%. This is already 1/3 of the total. Mortality from Covid is slightly more than 4 million (for 2020-2021), and then based on the calculation recommended by the WHO. I have already written and will write again, especially for those who write about Covid, let them familiarize themselves with this document. The fact that it is beneficial for doctors to make this fashionable diagnosis as the cause of death is no secret to anyone.
                Few asked for the opinion of epidemiologists in 2020. Everyone rushed to implement the WHO recommendations, WHO recognized them as redundant in May 2020.
                1. +3
                  16 September 2021 11: 04
                  There is such a thing as excess mortality. This is when the data, for example, the statistics of 2020 are compared with the previous one. In the case of COVID-19, excess mortality in the country makes it possible to fairly reliably determine the effect of the virus. Neither diagnoses nor certificates are needed, only a registration of corpses is needed. Over the past year, in our country alone, 324 thousand more died than in 2019. And only half of the doctors diagnosed covid. In and consider how widely doctors use their "fashionable" privilege. If you delve further into these statistics, it turns out that in fact, mortality from COVID-19 could have increased even more. In 2020, there were periods of quarantine with the restriction of road transport and the suspension of industry. Accordingly, the death rate on the roads and accidents at work have decreased. Moreover, more than 300 thousand extra deaths in 2020. So consider how much the death rate from coronavirus actually is.
                  1. +5
                    16 September 2021 11: 40
                    What makes up this excess mortality? These are not planned operations and planned treatment due to quarantine, etc. Who will be responsible for them?
                    Do not forget that from 1994 to 2014 the population of the Earth aged 60+ doubled, here you are at the risk group that suffered the most.
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2021 11: 52
                      Since 1947, there has been no such increase in mortality in the country - 18%. It cannot be explained by anything other than COVID-19.
                      1. +4
                        16 September 2021 12: 01
                        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
                        Since 1947, there has been no such increase in mortality in the country - 18%. It cannot be explained by anything other than COVID-19.

                        Then you need to figure out where is Covid, and where are the deaths from non-provision of medical care due to Covid? Although, in the bottom line, if it were not for Covid-19, then the doctors worked normally and there would be no such excess mortality. So Chubais is not to blame for everything, but Covid-19
                      2. +2
                        16 September 2021 13: 17
                        It is necessary to look at the structure of deaths, and who needs it! And the authorities are not profitable either.
          2. -3
            19 September 2021 14: 15
            What? Nursing homes and migrants in Sweden? Do you understand what you are talking about?
  14. +3
    16 September 2021 07: 34
    About 60% of Russian regions have introduced compulsory vaccination for certain categories of citizens
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 22: 02
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      About 60% of Russian regions have introduced compulsory vaccination for certain categories of citizens

      Bad business is not tricky
      1. +1
        16 September 2021 22: 07
        It is you, the head of the region, tell me Straight tomorrow, to the residence
        The governor of your region, a door with a foot and what type .............. OU weak.? So what is there to feed from yourself?
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 22: 09
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          It is you, the head of the region, tell me Straight tomorrow, to the residence
          The governor of your region, the door with your feet and what type ...

          So they are all from the chief's stall. They can bleat only on command from Moscow.
          1. +1
            16 September 2021 22: 30
            The point is not from what stall they are from, but the point is that their orders are obligatory for all residents of this region.
            1. +2
              17 September 2021 22: 01
              Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
              but the fact is that their orders are mandatory for all residents of this region

              We are not slaves, we are not slaves
  15. -6
    16 September 2021 07: 39
    Quote: E. Fedorov
    ... Great Britain, which recently showed enviable for Russia 75% of the population with vaccinations .... But on September 13, more than 26 thousand infected are recorded! Almost one and a half times more than in Russia with 25% of vaccinated.

    Consider the United States, where almost 64% of the population received the two components of the vaccine. But despite this, on September 13, more than 226 thousand Americans were infected in the country!

    What does this mean?


    This suggests that their vaccines are bullshit. Long live our "Satellite V"!!!
    1. +2
      16 September 2021 08: 36
      Quote: Boris55
      Long live our "Sputnik V" !!!

      Our authorities, together with the Ministry of Health, have already broken their foreheads, bowing to the floor and fulfilling all the WHO instructions. And what about WHO? lol And the WHO has suspended the recognition of "the best vaccine in the world" .....
      How so? And what about us? belay
      WHO: "But there is nothing to climb into our world" vegetable garden "with our slurry. Here we mow cabbage." laughing
      This is capitalism, baby! What does your health have to do with it?laughing laughing laughing
      So, long live "Sputnik V" or all the same, be all healthy? lol
      1. +1
        16 September 2021 09: 26
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        WHO suspends recognition of "the best vaccine in the world"

        This is really capitalism and it has nothing to do with our health. As they say, the grandmother is separate, and health is separate.

        Quote: Sovetskiy
        So, long live "Sputnik V" or all the same, be all healthy?

        Both. Inject with "Sputnik V" and be healthy.
        Personally, I am grafted with Sputnik V and I feel great.

        To be vaccinated or not is a matter of national importance. As a result of the first attack of biological weapons - a decrease in GDP in all countries, a drop in the living standards of the population, including ours. In this regard, I disagree with Putin: vaccination is not a desire of citizens, but our duty. I have fulfilled my duty to the country, which I wish everyone.
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 16: 47
          As a result of the first biological weapons attack
          Even in this context, vaccination is not the best protection.
          If the defense against the first attack of a bio-weapon is a vaccination.
          What will be the defense against the second attack? After all, the task of the second attack is to bypass the defense created for the first attack. Those. bypass vaccination.
          If a new (different) vaccine (new antibodies), then the high titers of antibodies from the first vaccine may begin to interfere with the high titers of new antibodies from the other vaccine.
          Like so. If anyone understands, they can fix it.
        2. +1
          16 September 2021 18: 13
          Quote: Boris55
          Personally, I got used to "Sputnik V" and I feel great

          And I got sick with this fashionable disease back in December 2019, and this infection does not take me anymore without any experimental e-liquids.
        3. -1
          19 September 2021 14: 17
          Your duty to the country is to die before retirement.
    2. +2
      16 September 2021 22: 03
      Quote: Boris55
      Long live our "Sputnik V" !!!

      The banter is counted, because a sane person cannot think so
  16. 0
    16 September 2021 07: 40
    The conclusion suggests itself: vaccination is far from a panacea, but it significantly reduces mortality. Even for the "delta" variant. And this is perhaps the most important subtotal of the entire pandemic.
    Or maybe just a difference in the level of medicine ?!
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 09: 39
      That is, there was no such difference in 2020, but did it appear in 2021?
      1. +3
        16 September 2021 11: 27
        They just died not from covid, but from its consequences. In St. Petersburg, for example, the death rate of pneumonia suddenly increased 7 times, according to Beglov
  17. +4
    16 September 2021 07: 43
    Gentlemen, could you explain the relatively small number of people infected daily in Moscow? And this is during mass tests.
    Indeed, in Moscow, the overcrowding of the population, metro, electric trains, in the end, wild migrants. For a long time, everyone has been hammered into masks. Including those who are supposed to follow this by their position. If masks are worn, then with an open nose, so as not to interfere with breathing.
    1. +4
      16 September 2021 08: 38
      Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
      NEW
      0
      Gentlemen, could you explain the relatively small number of people infected daily in Moscow?

      Picks on the nose
    2. +4
      16 September 2021 09: 41
      I can try to theoreticalize.
      1.vaccination in Moscow has already reached 50% as I understand it
      2. Moscow has been the largest morbidity center for a long time. A significant number of the population have been ill "officially" or not and have acquired natural immunity.
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 11: 48
        Quote: alexmach
        1.vaccination in Moscow has already reached 50% as I understand it

        I do not think
        Quote: alexmach
        A significant number of the population have been ill "officially" or not and have acquired natural immunity.

        perhaps
      2. 0
        18 September 2021 12: 19
        Quote: alexmach
        I can try to theoreticalize.

        See tonight

        In 3 days, after the end of the elections, there will be a new wave with bans on everything and everyone
    3. +2
      16 September 2021 11: 40
      And this is during mass tests.

      The test can be wrong too!
      Two men with a "positive test" for CROWN were brought to our ward from two different districts of the region. Test on admission. And a negative result. Another test, about a week later ... And again by! Discharged. And they could catch the infection in the department!
  18. +1
    16 September 2021 08: 11
    The virus divided society into opponents and supporters of vaccination, in my opinion, the authorities and doctors in our country and abroad themselves do not fully know what to expect from this infection, at the beginning of the pandemic there were elements of panic at the highest level, now everything has settled down, from my social circle, almost everyone has been ill or vaccinated, there are dead, the worst thing is when the virus begins to infect children, I personally got sick and six months later I got vaccinated, I don't see any other alternatives to save my life now, but with regard to making money on vaccines, even our authorities did not hide this opportunity, there was infa in the media about the possibility of earning more than $ 25 billion on the production of Sputnik under our license abroad, then somehow this news disappeared, and about the opinion of some die-hard people that the vaccinated all will die soon, think for yourself whether our authorities would to vaccinate the army and security forces en masse to deprive the country of protection?
  19. 0
    16 September 2021 09: 19
    We say that all our vaccines are equal, but statistically this is not the case. Best of all is "Sputnik-V", and second place is "Kovivak" (but there is not enough data on it yet), well, the worst of all is "EpiVacCorona".

    https://ngs.ru/text/health/2021/08/29/70105031/
    1. 0
      3 January 2022 12: 47
      I will reveal a terrible bourgeois secret: the "satellite" has such a percentage only because there are simply no other factsins at the vaccination centers. From the word at all. Maybe this is so in Krasnoyarsk and the surrounding area, but the fact remains. By the way, I talked with friends, relatives and acquaintances from other regions, the "picture" is about the same. THOSE. almost everywhere there is no alternative "satellite". "Choice" in one word is like a presidential one in Russia. Here he seems to be, but in reality he is not.
  20. +2
    16 September 2021 09: 43
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    There is no one among my acquaintances who would die of the crown. Although, I'm lying. A relative died six months ago, he was 84 years old, allegedly died of the crown. Apparently, there would be no crown, he would have lived to be a hundred years old.

    Likewise. And I have a fairly wide circle of friends .. If there are more than 150 people together with relatives and friends, work colleagues. And only one of the employee's mother died from covidla, who was over eighty ..

    You are lucky. Unfortunately, I don't. Of the 11 who left, three from Covid.
  21. 0
    16 September 2021 10: 33
    I am reminded of an anecdote from last spring:
    two met - one asks when "mask mode" will end? - the second answers - serious people have invested, until they beat it off - it will not end ...
  22. PPD
    0
    16 September 2021 10: 40
    Great Britain on September 14 died 185 people (with 26 thousand infected), and in Russia on the same day 781 people died with 17,8 thousand

    Are you sure that in England the same patients lie in the corridors, with a general lack of staff?
    The general health of the nation is the same question - is it similar to the British one?
    Now, from family experience, 4 people celebrated the anniversary, in the family circle. 1 unvaccinated - apparently she got sick, unvaccinated.
    The rest with a real vaccine. Everyone got sick. Conclusion - from the vaccine sense-0.
    Everyone recovered relatively easily.
    But 1 person suffered, almost unnoticed. Much easier than the rest.
    Guess who is this? laughing
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 13: 56
      Quote: PPD
      Are you sure that in England the same patients lie in the corridors, with a general lack of staff?

      This is true. And without any covid. They have such health care there that the British themselves are in despair)
  23. +7
    16 September 2021 10: 47
    COVID-19 did not come about to be dealt with quickly and easily.
    ---
    It will continue to mutate (literally and figuratively) until it solves the tasks set before it: first of all, geopolitical, then commercial, demographic, and only then will the problem of the virus itself be solved.
    ...
    However, it can solve the problem of those who "set tasks for COVID-19" winked
    1. -1
      19 September 2021 14: 19
      Bravo Nikolay. At the root.
  24. 0
    16 September 2021 10: 55
    If the virus is a mystery for leading virologists, what should we argue about, siry and wretched "couch doctors" ?!
    There is only an understanding that we do not really understand anything ...
  25. -2
    16 September 2021 11: 00
    Crown crown. It’s a pity for people.
    But there is also a second question. And then the hyped Sputnik, since we have more people dying, in comparison?
    1. -2
      16 September 2021 11: 55
      Quote: Max1995
      And then the hyped Sputnik, since we have more people dying, in comparison?

      POLITICS! They wanted to equate this vaccine with Gagarin's flight into space
    2. +8
      16 September 2021 13: 01
      And the people seem to be dying more not so much from the crown as from the termination of the provision of medical care to the population under this brand. In my polyclinic, for example, I can't even see a therapist, I'm not talking about specialists.

      And all this is due to the type of health care optimization under the patronage of our wise guarantor .. Affected by the destruction of medical institutions and the total reduction of medical staff, including infectious disease specialists, who, as stated, are supposedly redundant .. And note that for all this chaos, not only is no one answered, no one even admitted the fallacy of the execution of the population!
      1. -2
        16 September 2021 13: 32
        under the patronage of our wise guarantor ..
        "Guarantor" what do you not remember?
        1. +4
          16 September 2021 13: 39
          I think - he himself no longer remembers.
          1. -2
            16 September 2021 13: 55
            I hope you remember that.
            So, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (which was written under the strict guidance of American advisers), we are obliged to be guided by the article
            Chapter 1
            Article 15
            4. The universally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If the international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided for by law, the rules of the international treaty are applied.

            Those. WHO has ordered to optimize healthcare - we must do it.
            Another thing is that we could quietly sabotage it, but ... there is also a personal interest of specialized officials.
            ---
            In addition, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, specialized ministers are involved in health care, education, etc., and today they are Murashko, Popova, Golikova. Which (again), according to the Constitution, are subordinate (not to the guarantor) to the chairman of the government, i.e. Mishustin.
            ---
            So everything is observed from the point of view of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
            1. +3
              16 September 2021 13: 58
              Yes, I know - for his adherents, Putin is never to blame for anything .. Exclusively either bad boyars or external circumstances of force majeure.
              1. -3
                16 September 2021 14: 28
                either bad boyars or external circumstances of force majeure
                And it happens that both the first and the second together.

                Moreover, both the first and the second attack exactly Putin.

                Why? Because he saved the country in a situation where almost no one believed in it.
                ---
                1. +1
                  16 September 2021 15: 59
                  What a short memory people have ...
                  Already "no one believed"

                  2000s, the war in Chechnya fizzled out, Kazan and Ingushetia calmed down, the economy went up after the denomination, the Americans drove oil prices up from 20 especially for GDP !!! (inconceivable price for today), the presidents happily showed each other cars and hamburgers,
                  Remained from
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2021 16: 11
                    Non-payments and non-taxes remained, in general
                2. -1
                  19 September 2021 14: 20
                  Have you saved it?
  26. +1
    16 September 2021 11: 09
    Quote: Stroporez
    The third moment, very strikingly funny, is the appearance of the president in a red spacesuit, and then his "disappearance". Where he was, whether on the ground, underground, in the sky, in bunkers or at numerous summer cottages, we do not know with 100% certainty, but he simply did not exist, and then he appeared, but in the video communication mode he still sees , and in public appears in a "kilometer" from the hall, as evidenced. careful consideration of the TV picture.

    And this is a colleague to the point, now the Internet is replete with messages that the GDP is on self-isolation! and this is suspiciously curious if the first person, who is under control all 24 hours, does not need to crowd and wait in queues at the hospital (by the way, we no longer have doctors, they quit. I was led by a nurse, a girl who also quit!) went to self-isolation amid the hype about the benefits of vaccination and "success"? Something all this has a bad smell!
    1. +2
      16 September 2021 11: 50
      Quote: lithium17
      Something all this has a bad smell!

      Doesn't believe in Sputnik V superwaffle! Theory is theory, but life is one.
  27. +2
    16 September 2021 11: 33
    Dear fellow citizens, inject only with a domestic team that has no analogues in the world, does not help from anything, but increases the bank account of Mr. Ginzburg and persons affiliated with him.
    Recently the leader, who was vaccinated by the "best in the world", unexpectedly isolated himself in his bunker, well, just in case ... and the plebs will continue to pour into their ears about what a wonderful drug it is. According to the latest statements by Popova, Murashko, Golikova and other respected people, he will not save from anything, the spread of the virus does not reduce, it will not hurt a vaccinated person to get infected, but maybe ... and not exactly, something will make it easier ... by half. ... but this is not accurate .... or will not make it easier ..... in general, not your servile business to argue ... the giraffe is big, he knows better ... the doctor said to the morgue - it means to the morgue.
    1. +3
      16 September 2021 12: 37
      Quote: Adagka
      Luchai ..... and the plebs will continue to pour into their ears about what a wonderful drug it is. According to the latest statements by Popova, Murashko, Golikova and other respected people, he will not save from anything, the spread of the virus does not reduce, it will not hurt a vaccinated person to get infected, but maybe ... and not exactly, something will make it easier ... by half. ... but this is not accurate .... or will not make it easier ..... in general, not your servile business to argue ... the giraffe is big, he knows better ... the doctor said to the morgue - it means to the morgue.

      Precisely said .. good
  28. +1
    16 September 2021 13: 31
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    They immediately warned that the vaccine does not exclude infection and even disease, but it reduces the likelihood and severity.


    So I remember something, even at school, teachers said that vaccines are recognized not only and not so much to prevent disease (infection), but to prepare the body, the immune system and thereby weaken the severity of the disease and prevent death.
    No? Am I confusing something?
  29. +1
    16 September 2021 13: 38
    Quote: Adagka
    Recently the leader, who was vaccinated by the "best in the world", unexpectedly isolated himself in his bunker, well, just in case ...


    Dear friend, to be honest, I do not like either our thieving and deceitful government, or the Leader, who has been creating this power for two decades, but why be like this power and distort the facts so rudely ???
    The leader really went into self-isolation. but on the grounds that in fact the whole day he worked together with a person who fell ill with coronavirus.
    Thus, the leader after this contact became potentially dangerous.
    accordingly, in order not to infect others, he was OBLIGED to quarantine.
    This is a natural sanitary requirement.
    1. +4
      16 September 2021 15: 52
      First, I'm not your friend
      And secondly, you, in the image and likeness of the current government, where you are like a salary, are entangled in causal relationships. According to government officials, universal and compulsory vaccination (yes, if you just woke up such calls are already being heard), you need:
      1. To stop the spread of the virus
      2. Remove all restrictions with this virus
      related.
      In practice, using the example of the leader and his entourage:
      1.the vaccine is absolutely useless and does not interfere with getting infected even after the injection
      2. After the vaccine, you can just as well infect others
      The question is, how will universal vaccination with this fuflomycin stop the spread of the virus and help remove restrictions?
      Don't you think that you and the authorities who have been lying for a long time have long been like the classic “horses, people mixed up in a bunch”?
    2. 0
      3 January 2022 12: 59
      And should "deletion" be lifelong? Then all the "members" of the mad printer are simply obliged to "go underground", headed by pussy and Mishustin. And optimally - hara-kiri. They put themselves above the virus and the laws, because they consider themselves immortal, because they probably know "where it came from" and the virus and how dangerous it is. And how much "gesheft" you need to have to get an impenetrable immunity
  30. +4
    16 September 2021 13: 50
    COVID-19, quite likely, revealed an important problem of our time - the lack of knowledge of what is happening around.
    There is such garbage - it is called logic. I strongly advise the author to teach her. It helps. The environment has not been studied enough, of course, but it is quite tolerable in this case. So you don't have to carry all this nonsense, author) The virus is "smart" because its strains are riveted in laboratories by not the stupidest people. That's all, author) Your conclusions are not interesting, because they are incorrect, antilogical
    .To cope with the epidemic, it is not necessary to sculpt new vaccines, this could not help initially, and will not help now. We need to find those who make new strains of the virus and deal with them. And the epidemic will immediately subside, and then the next "flu" will come into use.
    It is easy to understand that none of the measures taken now are ineffective and completely pointless. Since we are not dealing with an epidemic, but with an attack carried out by people, it is ridiculous to sit at home and put on masks on the face. Will not help. If the authorities do not want to defeat the cheerful virologists, then what is left for us? Only and exclusively hope for good luck. Namely - that your body is strong enough and adapted (it was necessary to take measures for this 20-30 years ago, then constantly continue, so now it's too late to rush) in order to cope with a viral attack.
    It's all. Nothing else will give results. The more the authorities push for vaccinations, the more clear the simple thing becomes. They either cannot cope with the real reason, or they do not want to. We were betrayed. Not for the first time, we are no stranger to ...
  31. +3
    16 September 2021 14: 07
    But, either the epidemiologists overlooked something, or the coronavirus plays by completely different rules and is not ready to take an example from a distant relative? Instead of behaving like a real parasite and gradually getting used to living with a host, SARS-CoV-2 throws fierce strains into the population. This is what the "Indian virus" or, as it is politically correct to call it, the "delta" strain, has become.


    Just the same, the coronavirus plays by these very rules and the epidemiologists said everything correctly, the author just did not understand it. The rules are that eventually especially lethal strains will lose in the evolutionary race. Once again - in the end. Within the framework of this rule, the appearance of those very especially lethal strains is absolutely normal, but in the end they will be replaced by less lethal ones.

    This is exactly what happened with the aforementioned Spanish flu, when a particularly lethal Spanish strain first appeared, mowed down a bunch of people and, as a result, its descendants lost such a huge lethality. And this in no way negates the fact that history can make a circle and a new "Spanish woman" will appear.

    But on September 13, more than 26 thousand infected are recorded! Almost one and a half times more than in Russia with 25% of vaccinated. Skeptics will say one example confirms the rule rather than refutes it.


    Comparing official cases is a thankless task, so it is not the real morbidity that is compared, but the number of quality tests performed. In Dagestan, not so long ago, there was a near-zero incidence of coronavirus. Do you know why? And because there were no tests or CT, and no one publishes statistics on "community-acquired pneumonia".

    What prevents a new modification of the S-protein in the virus from appearing and infecting children?


    It happened a long time ago.

    New, more dangerous variants of COVID-19 will require different types of vaccines from virologists. And this, in turn, can lead to the emergence of superviruses that are resistant to all drugs and drugs.


    To date, there is not a single virus that has acquired resistance to the "vaccine type".
    1. 0
      3 January 2022 13: 07
      It is necessary to read correctly. The author was mistaken in the word. Not types of vaccines, but type - "vaccines". There is a type of vaccine, but for all that, it is somewhat premature to say that this is a vaccine. Or maybe in general ... Where is the vaccine, and where are bureaucrats and hustlers ...
  32. +3
    16 September 2021 15: 58
    In general, not a single putriot so clearly and did not explain why to inject with the vaccine if it does not save the injected person from infection, allows the injected person to infect others with the same success.
    Therefore, it does not in any way affect the spread of the virus and the removal of the related restrictions. Consequently, it does not help in any way to establish a normal life.
    It turns out there is only one really important reason to inject, to fill Ginzburg's pocket more.
  33. +1
    16 September 2021 16: 40
    I apologize, I have not read everyone, but I did not see the answer to one question - HOW to treat? I was personally shoved through the fence two drugs: paracetamol (I did not have a temperature) and apixaban (blood thinning). Naturally, no one looked or explained anything (there are no doctors), judging by the statement they gave me to sign, there are only two of them from the list of more than ten names. From conversations with doctors familiar there is NO medicine against the virus, they use medicines to relieve symptoms. And my doctors are skeptical about vaccinations. As for drugs, it is also a difficult and incomprehensible question.
    1. +2
      16 September 2021 18: 46
      How to treat?


      The answer is very simple - on outpatient treatment (that is, at home), in fact, there is no way, only to relieve symptoms. Because a therapy that would affect the pathogen itself has not been developed. There are various fuflomycins, but in the end it has not been shown in efficacy studies. That is, everything is the same as with any other ARVI.

      In the hospital, various drugs are used to compensate for the arising disorders, but their arsenal is very limited and, for example, one of the few really working drugs is absolutely standard corticosteroids used for decades.
  34. +1
    16 September 2021 19: 54
    the CROWN's treatment is greatly influenced by the general health of the infected person. I was admitted to the hospital in December 20 g, with 50% of lung damage. there are no other sores, and I am 62 years old. the doctor immediately said that I was lying for 10 days. 11 days later I was discharged healthy, and there were people in the ward with me who were there for a month or more. concomitant ailments each of them had several.
  35. +2
    16 September 2021 20: 47
    Quote: Artavazdych
    As if...
    The data is open - look at least

    Which statistic to look at?
    Dear, our country is among the leaders in how not to let go to the next world.
  36. -1
    16 September 2021 21: 13
    "The conclusion suggests itself: vaccination is far from a panacea, but it significantly reduces mortality. Even for the delta variant. And this is perhaps the most important subtotal of the entire pandemic."
    This can be confirmed by research facts.
    September 15, from a publication in The New England Journal (NEJM)
    A joint study conducted by scientists from the Weizmann Institute, Technion, Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Gartner Institute at Sheba Hospital in Tel Hashomer showed that the introduction of a third (booster) dose of Pfizer vaccine increased the effectiveness of protection against coronavirus by more than tenfold.
    Among citizens in the age category 60+ seriously ill from the unvaccinated - 156/100 thousand,
    seriously ill and vaccinated without a "booster" - 33/100 thousand, seriously ill and vaccinated with a "booster" - 4/100 thousand.
    At the same time, at the moment 15/09 among seriously ill patients in the category of 60+ unvaccinated - 225,
    vaccinated without a "booster" - 98,
    vaccinated with a "booster" - 46.
    In the age category 90+, 83% of citizens received the first dose of the vaccine,
    two doses of 80%,
    three doses - 66%,
    in the category 80-89 - 90% / 87% / 75%,
    70-79 – 90%/88%/78%,
    60-69 – 91%/88%/70%,
    50-59 – 89%/84%/56%,
    40-49 – 87%/82%/45%,
    30-39 – 85%/78%/32%,
    20-29 – 80%/73%/25%,
    16-19 – 83%/71%/17%,
    12-15 - 50% / 37%.
    According to a report by the Israeli Ministry of Health, 47% of those infected with coronavirus in the country are in the 0-19 age group.
    And only 6% are over 60 years old.
    Moreover, 69% of seriously ill patients are over 60 years old.
    The NEJM post came two days after an article by 18 scientists in The Lancet, claiming a third dose of total coronavirus vaccination now is not justified.
    “Perhaps the third (booster) dose will benefit people with weakened immune systems,” the report says. "But vaccinating everyone in a row is an unacceptable excess when so many people are not vaccinated even with the first dose."
    Those. it is necessary to wait when in India everyone will be vaccinated with the first vaccination. This is the same as the dream of a world revolution.
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  38. -2
    16 September 2021 22: 34
    Quote: Adagka
    First, I'm not your friend


    Dear friend, as I understand it, you are a fierce opponent of vaccination? Well, your right ...
    In the dense Middle Ages, your views would be appreciated.
    Fasting and prayer to help you hi
  39. +1
    16 September 2021 22: 55
    Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov
    Quote: Adagka
    First, I'm not your friend


    Dear friend, as I understand it, you are a fierce opponent of vaccination? Well, your right ...
    In the dense Middle Ages, your views would be appreciated.
    Fasting and prayer to help you hi

    I am a fierce opponent of hanging noodles on the ears, and vaccination do not understand how just a special case in this endless series.
    Here's another from the recent - like you last year, foaming at the mouth, argued that we will now accept the amendments to the constitution and now we will definitely heal. There was also an amendment in them about the impossibility of officials to have dual citizenship, so that you would not sleep well - not so long ago the leader nullified this amendment - they say, if there are special circumstances, then it is possible with dual citizenship, and under this wording you can fit everything anything.
    You eat, do not crap ...
    And as for fasting and prayer, at such a rate of "negative growth" you will soon be treated with just this.
  40. 0
    16 September 2021 23: 48
    Quite adequately written article. The only thing is that the Spanish woman did not turn anywhere at all, she simply disappeared.
    1. +2
      17 September 2021 00: 44
      In all, without exception, modern strains of flu, you can find the roots of "Spanish flu". 1918 was a key year in the evolution of this virus - then eight new segments appeared in its genome, which are now found in avian, porcine, and human strains.
      The history of numerous epidemics of the 1918th century influenza began in 50 with the emergence of the Spanish flu, which claimed the lives of 90 million people. According to David Morens of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, all strains of influenza that have appeared over the past XNUMX years are somehow associated with the "Spanish flu."


      https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2009/07/01_a_3217560.shtml
  41. -2
    17 September 2021 08: 43
    Quote: Adagka
    Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov
    Quote: Adagka
    First, I'm not your friend


    Dear friend, as I understand it, you are a fierce opponent of vaccination? Well, your right ...
    In the dense Middle Ages, your views would be appreciated.
    Fasting and prayer to help you

    I am a fierce opponent of hanging noodles on the ears, and vaccination do not understand how just a special case in this endless series.
    Here's another from the recent - like you last year, foaming at the mouth, argued that we will now accept the amendments to the constitution and now we will definitely heal. There was also an amendment in them about the impossibility of officials to have dual citizenship, so that you would not sleep well - not so long ago the leader nullified this amendment - they say, if there are special circumstances, then it is possible with dual citizenship, and under this wording you can fit everything anything.
    You eat, do not crap ...
    And as for fasting and prayer, at such a rate of "negative growth" you will soon be treated with just this.


    Dear friend, the right word, do not worry so much! Nerve cells, they are not restored. You are so yourself, what good will you bring to a stroke ...
    Honestly, in your righteous anger you become like our non-brothers fucking rubbish ...
    Drink valerian, calm down, everything will be fine. Don't be so nervous, it's not worth it ...
  42. +1
    17 September 2021 09: 21
    Quote: Author
    Who would have thought of studying coronaviruses and vaccines against them two years ago?

    belay
    human coronavirus was first time in
    1965, since then and studiedlaughing
    Academician Zverev:
    “Vaccination does not give full-fledged immunity, which is after
    past disease "
    https://m.business-gazeta.ru/article/520413
  43. 0
    17 September 2021 09: 22
    the article is inspired by the world bestseller H.N. Harari: "Homo Sapiens" and the next book - "Homo Deus"
    there, back in 2019, it was indicated that a global epidemic of a "new" influenza was imminent
    it was also said about the emergence of a new religion: in the form of "universal vaccination and digitalization", and the persecution of apostates from the new faith
  44. -2
    17 September 2021 15: 26
    What does this mean?
    First of all, that the vaccinated get sick quite often.

    And why does medicine in the person of E. Fedorov not say anything about the well-known statement that a vaccinated person, even if he gets sick, will suffer the disease without any special complications, in a milder form?
    The COVID-19 large-scale accounting system has been operating in the world for a long time and quite effectively, and in recent months it has been giving depressing results.

    As an example of what is happening, Great Britain is well suited, which recently showed 75% of the population enviable for Russia with vaccinations. According to all the scenarios that were discussed six months ago, COVID-19 in this country should be, if not defeated, but surely well crushed?

    But on September 13, more than 26 thousand infected are recorded! Almost one and a half times more than in Russia with 25% of vaccinated. Skeptics will say one example confirms the rule rather than refutes it.

    Consider the United States, where almost 64% of the population received the two components of the vaccine. But despite this, on September 13, more than 226 thousand Americans were infected in the country!

    What does this mean?

    First of all, that the vaccinated get sick quite often. For example, in New York on July 19, 5,5 thousand unvaccinated and 2,8 thousand vaccinated were infected with the notorious "delta" strain. At the same time, 65,5% received two components of vaccination in the city.
    ...
    But the difference in the number of cases among vaccinated and "anti-vaccine" is only two times makes one think about the advisability of artificial immunity. It would be nice to show here similar Russian statistics, but they are not ready yet, and there will be a lot of questions for it. For example, how to weed out falsely vaccinated people who just bought a certificate for themselves? We still do not know the true volumes of this market, so it is difficult to catch the error here.
    ...
    Understanding the effectiveness of the vaccine comes from taking into account the deaths from the coronavirus. In Great Britain on September 14, 185 people died (with 26 thousand infected), and in Russia 781 people died on the same day with 17,8 thousand infected. By the way, the British still recovered more than fell ill - we have the opposite.

    In the United States, 13 thousand died from coronavirus on September 2,13, about 2,6 times more than the daily death rate from COVID-19 in Russia. But there are more cases than we have, almost 15 times.

    An interesting thing is this statistics, they want to say so and throw mud at you, but if they want to present the same thing in a slightly different form and start using it as an example ?! As here in the article, the virus is the same, they are vaccinated everywhere in different ways and with different vaccines, and there are a lot of examples of harm from their vaccines, but there will be a lot of questions for the Russian reports ?! Reports are the same statistics!
    Or does Comrade Fedorov want us to take their word for it in their statistics, after all, after all, gentlemen compiled their reports, and not put our statistical reporting into anything ?! But we know what the statistics of the Anglo-Saxons really are and how they know how to "draw beautifully" it!
    So I still have questions and new ones have appeared, in terms of their mortality, which they deliberately underestimate at times. Local experts themselves, who are in disgrace with their authorities, write about this.
  45. +1
    17 September 2021 15: 48
    it turns out that vaccination provokes the appearance of even more evil strains
    1. -1
      19 September 2021 14: 25
      Absolutely.
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  47. +1
    17 September 2021 23: 10
    Everyone writes comments on covid, I decided to write too.
    I have a version, "what is covid, where is it from and where". This is the phosphorus cycle!
    Phosphate fertilizers, E450 additives in sausages, hams, dumplings, sausages, sausages, bread, palm emulsions, etc. - all this led to the "flight of phosphorus". We, agronomists from Timiryazevka, have always balanced phosphorus, nitrogen and potassium - i.e. NPK fertilizers, etc.
    In short, how is the thrombosis going. You inhaled the phosphate virus. The body burns it in oxygen and .. oops .. ash remains from the virus - concentrated phosphoric acid, it burns red blood cells to coal. Everything. Phosphate is used to build a new virus and everything repeats itself.
    Then there is a terrible topic - phosphine PH3 gas can go from a fresh "new" virus, the smell of rotten fish is something terrible, 1st class of danger, all the grain is pickled on the elevators, dead pigeons are taken out by trucks, I have not seen, but I believe straightaway. Phosphine self-ignites - instant high temperature burn.

    To summarize: I made myself a homemade vaccine from potassium. I drink potassium and take potassium baths.
    The idea of ​​an antidote for chemical smoke.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 23: 47
      Just in case, I will add how cunningly the Covid virus itself works, this is obvious from its pictures. It has a power supply system, with any contact, it attracts electricity. These external proteins give off a "+" field from the piezoelectric effect, therefore electrons approach them, then they stupidly stick to fats and the voltage immediately jumps, maybe up to "-100 volts", then this energy - UxI = watts - dries the phosphates inside , making from dilute solutions concentrated polymer phosphates of 100% concentration, up to phosphine.

      It can float in water and be dry inside - drying chamber.
  48. 0
    18 September 2021 06: 20
    Quote: "... For example, in New York on July 19, 5,5 thousand unvaccinated and 2,8 thousand vaccinated were infected with the notorious" delta "strain. At the same time, 65,5% received two components of the vaccine in the city ... "
    /
    Excellent result. These figures show that the vaccinated get sick four times less often than the unvaccinated. It remains to conduct an in-depth analysis of the timing of vaccination and if it turns out that the vaccinated are sick after, say, six months, then revaccinate within this period.
    .
    As for the special viciousness of the delta strain. I don't think she's there. The peculiarities of the course of the disease in re-ill patients take great pathogenicity. The rapid transition to the autoimmune phase in the presence of prior sensitization is mistaken for accelerated viral replication. And there are NO direct studies on the concentration of the virus in the body!
    .
    I think that those who have recovered in the majority should get sick more easily with re-infection. But a tenth of them will be seriously ill - they give the registered morbidity today. And 90% get sick indistinguishable from ARVI. There are only a few completely asymptomatic carriers that do not deserve attention.
    And again, dependence on the duration of the disease. Those who re-infected after 6 months - the disease is almost not noticed. Those who wore masks and defended themselves / held out for more than 9 months are seriously ill.
    Question: what for are the masks for those who have been ill?
    Question: Isn't it time to isolate and issue sick leave to all patients with acute respiratory infections, regardless of the severity?
    .
    The disease requires study, and anti-epidemic measures should not be based on illusions and delusions.
    In my opinion, it is time to transfer all anti-epidemic restrictions to the category of voluntary ones. The state must tell the people: "Live as you want, and whoever gets sick, we will cure."
  49. -1
    18 September 2021 10: 16
    Only they have such a mess with vaccinations. I was instilled in an Orthodox or racially faithful (as anyone likes))), although probably better with some godless synovac, but okay) companion. After dancing with tambourines, I registered for state services and I see that the day of my last vaccination, according to them, is the day of my first vaccination. I had to figure it out. It's good that everything worked out only with phone calls.
  50. +1
    20 September 2021 09: 37
    Fighting the so-called pandemic is an unbearable task for the modern government. Because the authorities are used to lying for any reason. In this case, it turns out that there are many people at the top who are not interested in obtaining reliable information on the evolution of the coronavirus.
  51. 0
    20 September 2021 09: 42
    And lying in chorus is a terribly interesting and exciting thing :)
  52. AML
    0
    20 September 2021 22: 39
    Quote: Vladimir Alekseevich
    Overcoming the so-called pandemic is an impossible task for modern authorities. Because the authorities are accustomed to lying about any reason.


    Voice the power that won. It’s even more interesting to learn about a government that doesn’t lie.
  53. 0
    11 October 2021 22: 52
    Simple mathematics: 90% or more of the population did not get sick, of the remaining ~10% of those who got sick, they recovered (96 - 92% of 10% =) 9% or more of the total population. Those. 99% or more of the population (in 2 years! brainwashing with this virus) and create themselves herd immunity. He already is. And a vaccine containing the gene code of a virus, which is forcibly introduced into a non-sick organism that has stopped the virus at the barrier, or has reached an agreement with it, is precisely what is intended to kill it, the immune system. Just everything. And viruses will mutate and become stronger. Because man has exceeded the patience of nature, ceasing to be capable of symbiosis, and striving to destroy the living by entire genera. "tsar of nature"...
  54. 0
    17 October 2021 11: 41
    It is precisely the statistics in the UK, which is 70% vaccinated, that raises questions for me. Why at the peak of the first wave, when there was no vaccine at all, 40 people fell ill per day and 000 people died, and in the fourth wave, when the majority were vaccinated, for every 40 people who get sick, 30 - 000 die daily? It turns out that after vaccination the mortality rate more than tripled? Of course, perhaps it’s not the vaccine, but hospital-acquired infections, but it’s obvious that the vaccine at least doesn’t help. But the fact that it aggravates the situation cannot be ruled out.
  55. 0
    31 October 2021 08: 25
    We are now living at the “opening of the fourth seal” (“Revelation” of John the Theologian - “Apocalypse”)
    “And when He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature, saying, Come and see. And I looked, and behold, a pale horse, and its rider, whose name was “death”; and hell followed him; and power was given to him over the fourth part of the earth - to kill with the sword, and with famine, and with pestilence, and with the beasts of the earth.”
    So the “pandemic” will not end, but will be replaced by other misfortunes. And everyone will have to choose one path out of two possible ones: get sick or get vaccinated. And it is not known how the disease will end even for those who get over it easily - for those who are not vaccinated. Everyone who did not listen to the instructions of their superiors - secular and spiritual - will be punished. And the authorities said - protect yourself from infection and VACCINATE! So some (the obedient) will be “on the right side,” and “the sons of disobedience” will be “on the left.” This is the meaning of the current tests. Those who know that “all power is from God” carry out its orders - they are free from heavy worries and punishment.
    Romans 13 "1 Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God; but the authorities that exist were established by God. 2 Therefore, whoever resists the authorities resists the divine institution. And those who resist will bring upon themselves condemnation."
    Free is the one who casts his cares on his Creator (and His deputies), who trusts in Him. The rest are slaves of the flesh, time, disease and fear of death. Think wisely and make an informed decision.
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  57. 0
    9 November 2021 15: 09
    In conditions where lying is considered almost a virtue, it is useless to argue even about obvious things. And about Covey - it’s generally funny. Moreover, someone there has a diamond interest :)
    Well, how can you rely on government, and even more so departmental, statistics or just information?! These same people constantly lie to us from the screens and on other issues.