Larger and more secretive: German and Norwegian submarines will be replenished with the latest submarines

The shipbuilders of the German concern Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) conceived to make a submarine with outstanding characteristics, having combined resources with colleagues from the Norwegian group Kongsberg KOG. The subject of joint work will be a modification of the German submarine Type-212A with increased dimensions and an original hull shape.

Diesel-electric submarine Type-212A is known for the fact that it was the first in the world to use an air-independent power plant with hydrogen fuel cells (AIP) on board, thanks to which the boat acquires an additional reserve of autonomy, moving under water more slowly - but much quieter.

The future modification of the Type-212CD, as conceived by the designers, is distinguished by a noticeably grown (from 57 to 73 meters) length and an increased hull width from 6,8 to 10 meters, also adding up to 65% of the volume in the displacement characteristic - from 1524 tons to approximately 2500 tons ... The height will also grow a couple of meters. Thus, the new submarines for the German and Norwegian fleets will be larger and more stealthy.

Private research enthusiasts suggest that the increased dimensions will make it possible to equip the submarine with additional weapons and equipment.

The performers of the project do not refute or confirm this version. At the same time, the Type-212CD project, as stated, will embody progressive design solutions related to the formation of the hull geometry. This is dictated by the desire to increase the survivability of the boat, which, due to the unique shape of the surface, can become less noticeable for most of the known active and passive sonar systems. In addition, new technologies and materials should also affect the degree of reflection and absorption of signals in a wide frequency range.

True, the launch of a promising model is still far away: the first modified version of the Type-212CD is planned to be transferred to the Norwegian Navy in 2029. At the same time, open sources say that Berlin will receive its novelty for some reason at least three years later. It is also known that only six submarines will be built, of which only two are for the FRG.

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[alex neym_2]

Well, then, the flag is in hand ... by this time Russia will have something of a higher quality ...

[rocket757]

We need a lot, and resources, alas, are limited, and the country has not recovered from the losses of past years, alas, alas, it is better to realize this than to build castles in the air on the sand.
The main thing is that our MAIN arguments, the very, most, and the adversary knows it, is afraid!

[Adimius38]

of course the destroyer Leader and the aircraft carrier Storm have already appeared

[rocket757]

So it is understandable, they want the best and they can do it, they cannot take it away!

[Mountain shooter]

Have fun. Yes, let yourself. This is not an enemy who is dead ...

[Comrade I]

When the enemy is strong in numbers (NATO plus various Japanese), he does not need to die.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Comrade Y

he doesn't need to die

In war, you always need to die ... That's what war, not a computer shooter!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In war, you always need to die ... that's what the war is,

Enemies are not counted. Enemies are beaten ... not by numbers, but by skill.
(A.V. Suvorov)

[mva]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In war, you always need to die ... that's what the war is,

Enemies are not counted. Enemies are beaten ... not by numbers, but by skill.
(A.V. Suvorov)

So A.V. Suvorov Massena in the Alps and smashed) He ran away so that he threw all the artillery and even the wounded. And there the number was approximately equal, taking into account the troops of Suvorov, which were not commanded by Suvorov.

[Alex777]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They are having fun. Yes, let yourself.

It seems to me that this submarine may well be with the CD.
VI and size are fine ...

[Kerensky]

This is what touches me:

Private research enthusiasts suggest that the increased dimensions will make it possible to equip the submarine with additional weapons and equipment.

The executors of the project do not refute or confirm this version.

They have nothing to do:

adding also to 65% of the volume in the displacement characteristic - from 1524 tons to approximately 2500 tons.

Of course, private enthusiasts - the researchers did not guess that this volume will include a second supermarket and a third gym.
Increase in volume = increase in surface area = decrease in stealth.

[tralflot1832]

NATO submarines are the most submarine boats in the world! A full-fledged submarine is only nuclear. Well, someone declassify how much the submarine's cruising range is even with hydrogen elements at at least 20 knots, in a submerged position.

[Usher]

Quote: tralflot1832

Type-212CD

Nuclear submarines are larger and noisier. Well, expensive to build and service staff. Some countries cannot afford or make no sense to have a Premier League. Or even simply prohibited.

[tralflot1832]

Here I am about the same, our submarines are sufficient to protect their territorial waters, and for partners we have nuclear submarines and SSBNs, but so far there are not enough of them, 20 units per fleet would be normal.

[Vasyok]

our DPLs are sufficient to protect their territorial waters

Our diesel-electric submarines will hold out under water for 2-3 days, as opposed to 14 days for foreign submarines with VNEU.

[tralflot1832]

The territorial waters are under the control of our coastal missile systems. The issue has been removed.

[Vasyok]

The question is removed.

Question. And what "missile coastal complex" will detect and destroy enemy submarines?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tralflot1832

A full-fledged submarine is only nuclear.

Well, yes, well, yes ... Just tell the Amam this to the French after the GOTLAND submarine in Mediterranean first drowned the Yankee AVU in a training battle, and then kicked the ass of an American and then a French submarine in an underwater duel. After that, the Yankees rented it for 2 years, and since 2005, the San Diego naval base has carefully studied the tactics of non-nuclear submarines and practiced the method of dealing with such submarines. Including in shallow water. And it seems that the moose were good at ...

The apotheosis was December 2005 - during the international exercises Joint Task Force Exercise 06-2, at which the US 3rd Fleet was preparing to demonstrate everything it had learned over the past year, a disaster occurred: a small Varangian "interrupted" the entire 7th aircraft carrier strike group, led by the aircraft carrier "Ronald Reagan".
First of all, “Gotland” tracked down and conditionally “destroyed” the nuclear submarine - the only one who was a real threat to the Swedes. Multipurpose PLA was to ensure the safety of AUG from attacks from under the water and cover the "dead sector" under the heads of cruisers and destroyers. For which she died first.
Left without their own submarine cover, surface warships began to "die" one by one - the Gotland passed through the warrant like a blade blade, alternately moving closer to the American ships and taking their photos from various angles and distances. The Yankees found out about the presence of the boat, only when they saw a breaker from the periscope nearby - in real conditions, this would mean a pair of released self-guided torpedoes.

And you say that only PLA ...

[tralflot1832]

Honestly, I don’t believe this ad.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tralflot1832

Honestly, I don’t believe this ad.

Believe / not believe is a private matter for everyone. However, the fact remains: the Yankees have been pounding GOTLAND for 2 years, practicing methods of combating nuclear submarines, so similar to our project 636 submarines. And this is a fact.
Although, why would they suddenly engage in such "nonsense"?

[tralflot1832]

Have you practiced entering the control zone of our DPLs?

[Boa kaa]

Perhaps. Because the Yankees know for sure that the northern bases of SSBNs will be guarded by our 677D, which in terms of g / a capabilities surpass the 885 project. And if the VNEU is finished with them, then it will be a trap for Virgins and an impenetrable boundary in wartime.
And if ahead of the 677D there will also be APNA looking for PLA amov, then it will be difficult for the Yankees to approach our waters ...
And serious work is going on in this direction.

[-Dmitry-]

NATO submarines are the ugliest boats in the world! A full-fledged submarine is only nuclear.

Nuclear submarines are needed only if you are planning military operations far from your shores. Why do the Germans and Norwegians need nuclear submarines? What for ?!

[tralflot1832]

They don't even need ordinary people, who are they going to fight with? China?

[Region-25.rus]

A full-fledged submarine is only nuclear

do you propose to launch nuclear-powered ships to the Baltic? Why not take a bath?

[tralflot1832]

And from Germany yesterday that the North Sea coast was taken away?

[Region-25.rus]

And from Germany yesterday that the North Sea coast was taken away?

and before you giggle -

and what is there for the majestic nuclear-powered ship to do?

[tralflot1832]

We retreat to the north-west coast of England and feel great, which ours are doing.

[user]

Thus, the new submarines for the German and Norwegian fleets will be larger and more stealthy.

Especially in the Baltic.

[Oleg Olkha]

Norgam submarines are not for the Baltic, and the Germans signed for two for themselves at the request of the customer, otherwise the contract would not have taken place and they still have North. sea ​​... Much more interesting what kind of boats, where CD stands for "Common Design" TkMS and patents for the hull were issued in the USA. By the way, the first CD will not be Norwegian, but Israeli, of the "Dakar" series, the design of which has been completed (with the integration of Israeli equipment) and work is underway with subcontractors. In contrast, the Israeli ones with a VPU and 540 million euros for it are a separate column in the German defense budget. The other two will be paid by Israel. The effect of German research and development and design solutions for the hull, cabin fencing, rudder schemes, materials used, etc. etc. will be visible no earlier than 2027.

[Alex777]

Well, then my "vague doubts" about the CD did not let me down.
And how many VPUs are there you do not know?

[Oleg Olkha]

In the almost finished INS "Dragon", which is actually lengthened by one universal VPU unit, Dolphin-2 - it looks like six CDs, based on the diameter of the strong case - 6.8 meters and the Vertical Multi-Purpose Lock (VMPL) diameter of at least 2.2m. (for Type 214 with a body diameter of 6.2 m. -VMPL 2.1 m. dr, gives TKMS ...) The "Dragon" type is completely different (Dolphin-3), but more than seven in a block will not work, but there can be two blocks , in sequence. "Enthusiasts", speculating, estimated the size of three, four canisters of "decent", by Israeli standards, sea-based ballistic missiles in each VMPL.

[Oleg Olkha]

Type "Dakar", of course, conditionally Dolphin-3, and "Dragon" is transitional to it at the request of the customer, the Israeli Navy, which cost another 50-80 million euros (according to various German sources, there is not only VMPL ..) and already two years of delay, along with the "crown", which the Germans cannot bypass - the entire team of specialists will serve exactly two weeks of quarantine if the Israelis too, and when the Israeli equipment arriving under the seals is mounted, the boat is "closed" from the Germans too .. ...

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

After that, the Yankees rented it for 2 years, and since 2005, the San Diego naval base has carefully studied the tactics of non-nuclear submarines and practiced the method of dealing with such submarines.

And what about the analysis of the tactics of these submarines?
What can our fleet oppose?

[Vasyok]

What can our fleet oppose?

The song of the Varyag. Nothing more.

[alch3mist]

differs noticeably grown (from 57 to 73 meters) in length and increased from 6,8 to 10 meters in width of the hull, adding also up to 65% of the volume in the displacement characteristic - from 1524 tons to approximately 2500 tons. The height will also grow a couple of meters.

What is the point of calling a completely different ship the cipher of its predecessor with the addition of one letter?

[Oleg Olkha]

The Germans have already pointed this out on the forums! Here are some details for the first time from TkMS. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/radical-new-stealth-submarine-type-212cd-will-be-much-larger/